WTF with Marc Maron Podcast - Episode 723 - Paul Dano / Adam Goldberg

Episode Date: July 11, 2016

Actor Paul Dano has chosen interesting, off-beat roles since he was a teenager. He tells Marc the reasoning behind those choices, as they talk about his indelible work in Little Miss Sunshine, There Will Be Blood, Prisoners, Love and Mercy, Youth, and his latest, Swiss Army Man. Also, Marc's buddy Adam Goldberg stops by and, as usual, talks about everything. Sign up here for WTF+ to get the full show archives and weekly bonus material! https://plus.acast.com/s/wtf-with-marc-maron-podcast. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Punch your ticket to Kids Night on Saturday, March 9th at 5 p.m. in Rock City at torontorock.com. Lock the gates! all right let's do this how are you what the fuckers what the fuck buddies what the fucking ears what the fucksters what's happening i'm mark maron this is wtf this is my podcast welcome to it how's it going just back from spokane washington what i had a great time i i will tell you about that great time i will tell you about a lot of things uh today on the show i got paul dano uh i got a little one with i'm gonna do a little talk with my buddy adam goldberg because i always like talking to him. I like having my friends over for little talks occasionally. But I have an announcement.

This week, Marin, the show on IFC, it's the season finale. It's going to be a doubleheader, the last two episodes. Very excited for you to see it. But I also want to tell you that it's the series finale. I've decided that this is it. It's done. I mean, look, there's ways to do more, but this was the vision. This season was the season.

And I couldn't be more thrilled about how it came out, how all four seasons came out. I think you'll see that we we wrap the story up in the best way possible and i just feel like it's done and i'm thrilled about it i imagine maybe ifc would want to do more i don't know they have not said anything to that end they haven't said one thing one way or the other, but that's just the way that TV works. But I don't want to do any more. I'm sure they'd be thrilled to do more

because we do it at such a low, like it doesn't cost them a lot. We do it pretty inexpensively, which adds to the challenge, but I had amazing people working with me on the team of Marin. I had great writers, great line producers, great directors, lighting guys, set guys. Everybody was great.

IFC gave us a lot of creative freedom. But it's just, I feel like it's done. And I'm proud of it. And I don't see any reason to keep going. I don't have to. I guess a lot of people think like, well, okay, why not keep going if you can? Why?

Why take a good thing and make it garbage just because you can? You'll see. I think you'll all be satisfied at the end of this season with the series. I just was so excited about this season because we did something that we could probably only do at IFC in a situation where the risk was limited in a way,

in that there was no reason for us to keep doing what we did the first three seasons. It became a world. It became a format. It became something that was an extension of my life that could have easily been refillable to some degree. But what's the point of refilling if the stakes are so low in the sense that you see the garbage on TV? That's the same jokes, the same set, the same stories retread over and over again for years and years and years.

They do that because they make money and they cost a lot of money and they're on big networks so they just keep doing it because everyone's making a fucking fortune so why not just sell out years of your life doing the same fucking thing over and over again if you're making bank i just i i'm not like that number one uh. I'm not a big money guy. But also, there was just no reason to become redundant. So this season, we departed into a sort of fantastic, disturbing. It was like a cautionary tale, yet a fantasy. You'll see where it ends up.

And we took a chance. I came up with the idea to do the arc like we did it. So you had to watch everything in order. And the season had an arc. And I was going different somewhere and changing as a person, I think. And where we ended is where I wanted to end. And that, I hope you're okay with it. I'm sorry if you're disappointed.

But I feel like it's done. And I'm just glad that I am able to say I'm done. And it can be my decision. I'm very happy not to be desperate and beholden to that desperation. This way I can be proud. And it's not unprecedented. It's like British shows. A lot of them have the right idea. You do three,

four seasons, and it's done. And I'm proud of it. IFC was very supportive creatively. They had the money they had. Fine. We did what we did with that. This last season, incredibly ambitious.

Amazing what we got done. And we did a show that was unlike any show. And it definitely honored my voice and it honored the skills of everybody involved. And I'm proud of it. And I hope you enjoy the finale. All right? Okay. All right? Okay. All right.

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So go get tickets and I'll see you there. Okay? Me and Brendan, we'll see you there. Oh, by the way, I'm going to be in Salt Lake City this weekend. Wise guys, I'm excited about that. I've been there a few times, but I tell you, I got through a wall,

broke through a wall you know going up to spokane i had no idea what to expect my friends and uh you know from what i what i garnered is that the word from other people i was i was anticipating meth zombies walking down the street babbling to themselves in some sort of frenetic twitchy pace some of them on fire perhaps i was expecting run down buildings i was expecting tattered uh uh window dressing awnings but no i get to spokane and right away flying in i'm like holy shit this is beautiful not only that it was a very warm and nice place to be i don't know it just had a vibe man like something was about to happen i don't know what it was the comedy clubs new spokane comedy club

is a great venue surprisingly great only because it's this big room with these high ceilings and beautiful real brick walls but you know with high ceilings you usually lose a little sound but no it doesn't i don't know if they padded them or what, but it was a great venue. Mike Coletta featured for me, and he did a great job. The owners of the club were great. I can't say enough great things about Spokane. I'm seriously, pardon me, when I go to places like that, I'm like, I got to move here.

Still get a house for a couple hundred grand up there, and it's pretty. And I did all kinds of fun things. grand up there and it's pretty and i did all kinds of fun things i ate some shitty amazing food at dick's hamburgers where the uh the the slogan is i think a bag full of burgers i think the slogan should just be fuck it eat here because it was just one of those places that's been around forever and it was you know hand you know the sort of like fresh fries and whatever i'm not gonna just sing the praises of Dick's. There was a community of seagulls that seemed to be there as well for years. You could tell by the shit that they don't clean up out in front of Dick's

that this was generations of seagulls that actually lived at Dick's, that they ate there. They've been having little bits and pieces of French fry and hamburger for generations. Some smart granddaddy gu said fuck seattle i don't need water i'm moving inland to spokane and set up his family there at dick's uh in spokane i i enjoyed i also went to a place called um white's boots i'd never heard of it and some dude emailed me like last week saying you know you're a boot guy you You got to go to White's. And I'm like, what is White's? And you go to this place and, you know, you can't even...

They have all these... They've been making work boots forever. But they have all these beautiful boots but they fit you and then they make them for you right there in the shop. American made right there in the shop. You can't walk out with any boots

and they have all these beautiful old styles. You got to check this shit out, man. White's Boots in Spokaneane didn't even know they existed and i'm a i'm a fucking boot guy and i'm looking around the place and i'm like all right do you got this in a 12 the guy's like no i'm like how about this one no we don't have any boots right here not many we got to fit you and make them for you and you know initially i was was a little upset because I wanted to have the excitement of an impulse buy where I could walk out with a four or five hundred dollar boots and then wonder if they fit properly for a month. But now I got to wait to do that. I don't know. Maybe it was just that I was away and staying in a hotel room and it was nice and clean and quiet.

staying in a hotel room and it was nice and clean and quiet and uh i after thursday's show worrying about my new hour a lot of stuff came together up there i did a lot of fucking freeform comedy had a lot of fans and i just thank you thank you spokane that's all i gotta say and i don't want to i don't want to you know let the cat out of bag, but if you're looking to get out of wherever the fuck you are, I'm thinking Spokane, all right? Especially maybe if you're like some sort of small industry, that'd be nice for the town. Perhaps a reasonably decent tech company or perhaps a manufacturer of things

might want to move to Spokane to help that local economy there because it's a fucking great town. I'm telling you, man. of things might want to move to spokane to help that local economy there because uh it's a fucking great town i got i just i don't i'm telling you man come on man just keep making it the world needs content i've had it with that word content by the way if you're a creative person and you're referring to your work as content why don't you just call it garbage content is something the other side of the aisle, the executives, the studios, the platforms. That's the word they've made up to diminish what we do. If you're a creator and you call your stuff content, then you're not really that much of a creator, are you?

If you're calling it content. Look, I made some content. It's demeaning. It's disgusting. Guess what? We got a special guest, special guest today. Um, Adam Goldberg, who actually is on the show frequently because I like Adam Goldberg and we have a, we have a fun time together. And I do that. You know, I don't know if some of you seem to think that we're changing the show. We're not. I, you know, I, if know if i like somebody and they got

something going on and they've been on the show before they're my friend i'll come in and let them come in talk about you know 20 minutes or whatever about whatever to have a fun chat and then we have the main chat today paul dano is here to talk about swiss army man but right now why don't we listen to me and adam goldberg jew it up a bit. Adam is in a new Netflix original movie called Rebirth, which you can stream on Netflix starting this Friday, July 15th. So this is me and Adam, and Adam's worked up a bit.

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made that a few years ago calling it the best of because it was just a culmination I just I had done and I see photographs listening stations and then like video monitors which is clips of the movies that you've been in well i don't yeah well you this sounds more like my my wake um planning it yeah i mean that sounds nice no that i have wanted for years to do an exhibition which was not video clips of me acting for for the love of hell hell god no you just that'd be like the joke area yeah right at the joke area like or this paid for this and then like and then this clip you know from from Smith movie paid for this record, which you have underneath, which you can buy for. That's pretty funny.

It is actually kind of funny. You can put them on separate racks with the video, with the film clip that paid for it. Yeah. I kind of like it. It's funny because before we went on air, as it were, we were talking about what the fuck are you going to do with my life? Right. So I guess maybe how often do you go through that though? Let's be honest.

No, this is, I'm at a, no, this is, I mean, this is new, a new level of what the fuck am I going to do?

It's a real one. I think, I think, I think it's, I think it's, I mean, look, everybody's it's,

it's real for everybody. It's, it's extra real. Now that like my baby isn't some sort of amorphous blob. Why don't you and Jason Schwartzman start a business? The Coconut Sisters? Yeah, the Coconut Goldbergs. Coconut Sisters.

Yeah, the Coconut Sisters? Yeah. And you guys can do your movies and then you can- It's amazing how I get that tweet, though, a lot. What? It's like, oh, I just discovered that they were two different people but really you and jason yeah we don't look it's just literally if there were two black people you're literally personality wise the opposite people yeah i don't know him i i've never i think i met him when he was a kid he's a fairly sweet

calm man and i'm a fairly mean agitated man that's what i don't think you're mean right just more self-involved he's a little he's he's calmer probably more i think he probably he probably has everything in the world going for him doesn't he i mean so do you no but you have a lovely wife and child yes of course you were in a big movie that's amazing you're in a big movie i always think it's funny when people on twitter when i like tweet about trump or whatever and somebody trolls and then they call me a has-been in order to get to me. And I'm like, but it's not relevant because I never was. I'm doing better now. If you want to just speak economically, I'm doing better now than I ever was when I was.

No, I think you've done a lot of great work. This new movie, Rebirth, this fun movie. Right. So this movie. We don't have to. It wasn't a segue. I don't give a shit. is a fun movie.

So this movie, we don't have to, it wasn't a segue. I don't give a shit. That's the only movie recently where I have, that's the only acting work I've done recently where I actually,

I'm actually acting. That's right on my show, which you did. That was, we did the third series. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was watching Rebirth and I think that on my show,

it was a more challenging part, really. Yeah, maybe. You might be right. You were upset, you were emotional. Well, it's hard to act. You were obsessed.

You were obsessed. It's hard to act with you. What do you mean? In were upset. You were emotional. Well, it's hard to act. You were obsessed. You were obsessed. It's hard to act with you. What do you mean? In that regard. Because I'm so fucking good. No, no. Are you kidding? That was supposed to be the seed of this major motion picture we were going to write.

We're going to, but I thought you might have made it with this Rebirth guy. No, this is a fucking thriller. It's a thriller. Rebirth is a thriller. And I didn't make it. I didn't direct it. I didn't write it. I didn't get to the end.

So it turns into a thriller. You watched the opening credits. I saw you as I walked't make it. I didn't direct it. I didn't write it. I didn't get to the end. So it turns into a thriller. You watched the opening credits. I saw you as I walked in the door. I watched when you came in. Yeah. And you sat down and I'm like, oh, something's fucked up. Something's gonna happen. This old friend, he's like, hey, where you been?

I'm a bad influence. Bad influence guy. It's actually a good role. No, sure. I auditioned for this role. You did? Yeah. I haven't gotten a part I've auditioned for in many years.

Everything you've seen, I've been offered. So everything's looking up and you're all depressed. No, nothing's looking up. Listen, I haven't gotten a part I've auditioned for in many years. Everything you've seen, you haven't been offered. So everything's looking up and you're all depressed. No, nothing's looking up. Listen, listen. See, I think that you're not looking at your life in the right perspective. I think you have a lot of things. You've accomplished a lot of things. You have a lot of nice leather goods.

You have an aesthetic. You're a very compulsive and talented photographer. You play music. You have a lovely compulsive and talented photographer. You play music. You have a lovely wife who's also employed and creative. Your son, we'll see what happens. Yeah, right. But, like, I think it's just a matter of bringing it all together. Well, it is a matter of bringing it all together.

Maybe you, Jason Schwartzman, and Crispin Glover. Oh, dear Lord. You just, like, you guys just do a group show. Right. Shoot the cookie, it's called. But what? I'm going to hold on a second. Is that you have a cough thing or like a burp button?

We'll just cut it out. Okay, so. Don't cut that out. So. Well, now this is a different camera. Yeah, this is now, this one is hard to find. Yeah. This is a Graflex Norita, a medium format camera from the 70s.

A lot of people looking for it? It's hard to find. But, okay. I don't know if a lot of people are looking for it. Yeah, they get snatched up pretty quickly. What's good about it? This is one of the fastest medium format lenses you can find. It's an 80 millimeter 2.0.

And that's considered quite fast for medium format lens. Like the fastest 35 millimeter lens would be a 0.95 noctilux for for a leica or for a canon but um listen to you talk so acting's just sort of like something you have to do you don't even it's like yeah i gotta do the acting to make some money yeah i bought two of these recently because they're so precious and they don't work very well that i wanted to make sure that i had a backup but the lens is is key incredibly shallow depth of field uh-huh so right now let's see i'm gonna get your i'm gonna have some microphone and oh and also i can do some doubles double exposures with this you like the double exposures well you know that about me i do i mean there's that's no secret

no everyone knows i mean everyone on twitter that that's out yeah everyone on twitter who's yeah up at three in the morning going, why is Adam taking pictures? Yeah, exactly. No, my 7,497- Are you sleeping better? Actually, you know what's interesting is, because you're like a morning person. I get up. I think I just got some curtains that are going to stop that, though.

Wait, what- It took me years to realize it might be the sun coming into my room at six. Wait a minute. What? I thought you got up because you were actually, that was like sort of one aspect of your personality.

It seems to be, but it might be the sun. I'm going to find out soon. Hmm. Yeah. I shot my last shot on you. Where do you go for film? The past?

To processes? Well, there are labs. I have processed my own. They all know you though right you gotta be the guy oh yeah here comes Adam thank god

it's a lot of guys shoot film it's much more than you would think okay I'm not judging it's alright no no

but I mean I wish I was the guy I wish it was like they were staying open for me but no there's like a lot of you know I'm sure it's probably

art photographers have you ever taken your your wares to get some gallery representation? I haven't actively done it. I haven't actively done it. I got a commercial agent at one point, like a commercial rep for photography at one point.

We're talking art. No, no, no. I realized. And then that was part of the issue is they kept wanting to send me out to do like FX. In fact, the irony is I was on Fargo and they were they were like we got a meeting with you uh for fx to shoot promo to shoot promos for fargo i'm like but i'm on that show uh and i had the me i took the fucking meeting just because i didn't know what i was doing with my life still so i thought i guess I could shoot the press pack that I'm in. Yeah. And did they let you? No.

And so we parted. How long have you not known what you're doing with your life? This is recent. The problem was I knew what I wanted to do with my life when I was very young. Yeah. And then what you realize is that you don't always get to do what you want with your life. So like 20 years? You've been not knowing what to do with your life? I thought I was on track to doing what I wanted to do what you want with your life. So like 20 years, you've been not knowing what to do with your life?

I thought I was on track to doing what I wanted to do. Right. And then suddenly I woke up. Yeah. And I mean, there was something happened between 30 and 45. I don't know what took place. There were some good times though. I don't know.

Yeah, you did. I don't know where. It's a complete, it's a total black hole. Right. You know, I see that there has been work that was, I mean, two movies were made, and somebody did something on my behalf. But you had a good time. You bought cars and a house and pants.

And you got married. You know what? I did buy pants. No, it's important to be married and have a child. The problem is what that does is then it presents you with, and again, I hesitate to use the word, a real problem. Everyone has real problems.

But let me put it to you this way. Given my current circumstances and my feelings about sort of acting and whatever in general, right? If I could, I would probably get rid of the house. Yeah. Keep the gear. Yeah. Go find an apartment.

Keep the kid and the wife? No, no, no. I'm saying- Is'm saying if there was- Is it part of the gear? No, I'm sorry. If there was no wife or child- Oh, okay, okay. I would go, I would downsize to the point where, I mean, maybe I would. Maybe open up a private investigation business.

I always did want to, you joke, that was one of the things I looked into when I graduated, when I dropped out of college. One of the first things I did was look in the phone book to see if I could apprentice a private investigator. Well, it sounds like you got the gear and you're going to have a studio apartment. Yeah, I got some old film gear. Yeah, no, I can give you the results of your, yeah. Your wife is cheating on you last month.

Because I got the two broken watches. Right, yeah. I put the watch under his tire of your, yeah. Your wife is cheating on you last month. Because I got the two broken watches. Right, yeah. I put the watch under his tire. Right, exactly. Yeah, and here's some, I finally got the film developed. Yeah. Turns out they, unfortunately, in the interim, she probably left town already with the guy. But it looks like they were cheating six months ago.

And look, here's a double exposure of them cheating. Right, right. So it's like, they're not in the same room at the same time i shot him over here yeah and her over there but but i this is a rendering of what it might look like it's pretty cool though right you dig it yeah i shot this on an arena medium depth all right very shallow depth of field so i thought you might appreciate that sir sir um oh my god that's the movie the guy who's a private eye but he's doing it the old way yeah the whole world he's a whole total fucking holdout yeah yeah when are we gonna do our movie no but seriously because we're not going to we don't know what what do you mean i'm i'm

about to stop everything after november what's doing going with your show i don't think it's going anymore really well i mean how many do i got i think it's done you know i don't want to be one of those people that's sort of like oh let's do another one because we can like this season's very heavy and it ends in a very sweet place and it was it was uh conceived to be my parents-in-law really like it do they no they really do they i haven't i haven't i have it all on the dv, the whole season. This season, I think my acting was better. It's a whole different show.

Yeah, I know. I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong, but I like where it's at. The British, they do four seasons, three seasons. How many do you need to do? I don't know. I've never been in a situation where I've been on anything that's lasted longer than six months. I have no idea what you would do.

I mean, and I certainly haven't had my own show, so I don't. I've just been looking at recent movies that are, you know, our attempts at doing the movies that we like. What are they? I would like to know. Like the good guys. Oh, right, right, right, which I didn't see. Was it good?

It was okay. I mean, I thought their dynamic was good. But they're literally setting it in the 70s. No, I know, but you can watch. I'm inspired by that. But Freebie and the Bean's probably a funnier, better better movie on some level like there's an effort to it no that's what i'm saying is is that when you when you take something and then and and you're inspired by it and then you do a sort of a literal interpretation of it or or put it actually in the 70s we need to make a seven a feeling a movie that evokes that feeling without without ripping it

without actually yeah setting it. Could please use this portion of the, don't cut this out. What, with the guy blowing? Yeah, because I think it says something that I was scheduled during the. No, we ended up having a conversation, you know, averting a meltdown in the house. Yeah. You being insecure about your stereo equipment in front of mine. And then, you know, we talked. That's front of mine and then you know we talked

that's very revealing we talked smoothies for a little while we both drink the same smoothie kinda I do coconut milk or almond milk I don't always do almond milk

I freeze the bananas I freeze the blueberries when I'm when I'm Roxanne will freeze them when she doesn't freeze them I don't get around to doing it right

that's very very diligent of you to do that sometimes I'll do it it's fun because it's like a milkshake oh i was also in vegas for the day yesterday and i ate a steak and uh i've been off the red meat lately because i've been having what i didn't tell you was that for four months in new york i've been i told you this in text you couldn't see us because you were you know ill no you were ill but we kept getting sick right just i i was sick practically the entire time of one thing or the other, but I've been having some recurring perennial and prostitis pain.

Uh-huh. So you're- Prost- Inside your ass hurts. Prostetic, yeah. Your balls ache. More perennial. Uh-huh.

Oh, yeah. That's bad. Kind of shooting up to my mid-region. You know what, dude? It's like that'll go away. I don't know that. I got a CT scan with contrast while I was there. They did actually find a small hernia, a small inguinal hernia.

Were you happy? I knew it. They said with a bladder ear. What does that mean? Exactly. I said that to my gastroenterologist the other day. He's like, I don't even know what a bladder ear is. But I guess I fucking have one.

Leave it to me to have a bladder ear. day. He's like, I don't even know what a bladder ear is, but I guess I fucking have one. Leave it to me to have a bladder ear. Yeah. My bladder has an ear. Come on, Adam. What? Snap out of it. You look good.

You're healthy. No, I'm trying to tell you I'm not. No, but I think you are. I mean, I... You know what happens to most things when you feel them? They go away.

I know, you're right. That's true. That's what Roxanne says. What are all those notes? Not for this interview. Those are handwritten letters that people write me. Oh, that's nice. Should we read one?

No, I'll read one. Let's read one on the air. No, I'll read them later. I like to read one. No, let's stay focused. They look really like people... Because you should see the letters I get. Enclosed is, uh please i enjoy your show

the goldbergs can you get it because that's not i know i get it who am i sharing the show with i don't know i think i think it's important i'll find out for you how about like a best of the keith richards well i'm not gonna put you on a shitty show no but i want to be how about a little keith richards i don't do best of the Keith Richards. That was good. I told you that was good, right? I think so. That's your text.

That was remarkable. Yeah, that's up there under those two pieces of paper pinned up there. The one on the left is my Keith Richards notes, and the one on the right is my Neil Young notes. Oh, shit. I haven't listened to the Neil Young one yet. It was fun. It was hard.

Did she like it? I don't know if she heard it. She just said, holy shit, Neil Young's on. We got gotta listen. So, you had a tolerable time on the Gaffigan show? Yeah, a tolerable time on the show, but I had a... Bad time in New York, except for Bridget St. John, who you worked with? Yeah, I was very productive photographically, but I saw...

But you didn't feel well? Do you know how many doctors I saw? I can't, for real. Well, New York doctors. That must have been fun for you. It's kind of fun, but their places are kind of shitty. It's not like the old days. It is exactly like the old days.

They've stopped and timed those offices. I mean, there were implements in those offices that looked like they were used on that show with, what's his name? Yeah. You know what I'm talking about. I don't know. The doctor show that takes place in the Victorian era. Oh, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Sure. Well, I mean, how much do you have to update certain things? What do you need? I don't know. The doctor show that takes place in the Victorian era. Oh, yeah. You know what I'm saying?

Sure. I mean, how much do you have to update certain things? What do you need? I don't know. You know, in the end, it's all getting shoved up your ass. So it doesn't really matter as long as they sterilize it. Have you really asked about, you know, gone deep in yourself about why the ass problems? Oh, it's gone really deep in myself.

I mean, I've had more. Honestly, I had more. I was saying that prostatitis is better than Grindr. I mean, honestly, I had more people's fists up my ass in the last four months. Have I thought about why I've had pain there? Yeah, it's interesting. It's an interesting- Well, why do you keep going to get things put in your ass?

Well, also, it's a Freudian- It's interesting. It's a Freudian- My urethra is in pain as well. Your urethra? My urethra. Is in pain? Like when you peethra my my urethra is in pain like when you pee the whole area is just jacked

all right um and uh rebirth netflix july 15th right right i'm genuinely proud of that movie yeah no i really need to make a point of saying that i i worked i actually worked i worked hard yeah i mean that doesn't mean it's good doesn't mean i'm good working hard people stink and i've I really need to make a point of saying that. I worked. I actually worked. I worked hard. That doesn't mean it's good. That doesn't mean I'm good. Working hard, people stink. I've acted with you. You're the real deal.

I appreciate that. And I'm glad you enjoyed this role. So you're proud of it. I am proud of it. Okay, good. And some people should watch it. It's a thriller. You're the bad influence in the other guys.

I'm kind of antagonist. In sort of a dead-end life in the office there's a dead-end life yeah has a sort of and it's sort of like the sean penn movie the game it's fincher-esque in that regard right um well good but that's good but i'm still concerned about other things no i mean we yeah not much has been resolved do you have other acting work coming up not really no what happened i think you did what bruce willis said i was up for i don't know i did three movies last summer uh one of them uh is another one i'm proud of is this movie uh well now it's called it was called the force now it's called between us which played at tribeca with also the netflix movie and i don't know what's going on with that and that movie's got uh ben feldman olivia thurby who are they're fucking great in this movie uh

what the hell it's so hard with movies. Oh, no. It's really hard. This movie. Just to get a movie out in the world. The movie is a beautiful movie. And I became pals with the director, Rafa, and his lovely wife and their kid. And it's like, you know, they're just, they made a lovely, like a genuinely beautiful

little relationship movie. Why don't we do a series? And I never fucking pitch this, since this is going to be cut down, you know, to be interesting. Honestly, I take Umbridge. Don't take Umbridge. To tighten it up a little.

Listen, this is not... I think... I'm sharing the show with Kenny G. I know. Can I get Kenny G? Have you tried? No. Have you tried? No. Have you tried Trump? I'm not going to do him.

Why would I let him talk at me for an hour? Yeah, I know. You're right. You're not going to have a conversation with the guy. So, all right. But it'd be funny just to have him in just this neighborhood would be funny. Just it would be funny. Look, God forbid he's president, I'll talk to him.

Okay. So, no, what I'm saying is maybe we should get some of this on video you know me and you having conversations about life you know that thing that we did right that that meerkat the meerkat the pre-periscope that's a very we're the only people on meerkat i know but that i'm telling you we get requests for that you've seen those come in i know is it available well because what because so in that era of Meerkat. The Meerkat's nothing. Okay.

I don't know what it is. It's Periscope. Right. But before Periscope, there was Meerkat. And it was the third day it was out. And you and I had like a three hour long conversation. And it did save to my phone, but it saved all out of sync. All the sound is out of sync.

So if somebody wants to volunteer to take three hours of fucking iPhone footage and sync it up. And we move around too. We go all over. We start in Viselka. Yeah. We go up Bowery or something.

Right. We go down Bowery. Yeah, and then we end up at the Bowery Hotel. At the Bowery Hotel. And then we meet these people in the lobby. Horrible.

Who we're really having a hard time with. And then we go up to your room for like another hour. Yeah. For like a post, you know, game. Yeah, yeah. know sort of yeah uh hungover recap for me yeah um you were cool yeah clean clean as a whistle clean as a whistle um anyway i we shot in belseco recently on the gavin and i was nostalgic for for our i yeah yeah i what do you mean I would obviously I would do that particularly if

I could if things could actually be worked out in what way your guy's gonna have to gain that down a little bit he's gonna have to compress the shit out of that

what you just yelled yeah I've been watching the levels alright so we'll work on that people can go watch reboot rebirth I think it's rebirth

it's rebirth Gaffigan shows on Sundays at 10pm on TV Land yeah Watch Rebirth. I think it's Rebirth. It's Rebirth. Gaffigan Show's on. Sunday is at 10 p.m. on TV Land. You'll be, if anyone wants to provide Adam with a nice new house. Right. There might be some jeans and a couple guitars in trade. Right. Or sync some sound on some iPhone video.

Right. Or stick some pliers up my ass. Yes, but newer pliers. He has a problem with the older pliers. Yeah, I don't like the old stuff. Good to see you. Nice to see you. So that movie, The Thriller, that he's talking about, Rebirth, you can stream it on Netflix starting Friday, July 15th.

Folks, what? I've always found Paul Dano's acting very interesting. He's an exciting actor. He's odd. He's unique. He's got a lot of sort of strange emotional range. I've liked him in Little Miss Sunshine. I liked him in There Will Be Blood.

I liked him in the new movie. I liked Swiss Army Man. Actually, I liked it a lot. It's odd. It's in theaters now. And I was excited to see what Paul Dano was like. So this is me and Paul Dano. You just got here? I did. Well, I was in Korea a few days ago. I flew home to New York for a day and a half. Korea? I'm here in sunny LA.

Sunny LA, where you spend time. You've been here a lot lately, I imagine, over the years. I have, yeah. You know, I like it here a lot more. When I first came here when I was 18 to LA, it was like an allergic reaction. I was very overwhelmed by just being sort of around what I do. But I think because I was unformed and impressionable. And so I had to just stay in New York and around where I grew up. Sure, where you're protected by uh regular people yeah yeah yeah exactly exactly um but now i i uh i dig it more and more so where'd you go while were you in korea what the hell was going on over there uh i was doing some acting uh in korea yeah with a guy named bong joon-ho who's a filmmaker i really like he made a film called memories of murder uh

and a film called the host that i think are just wonderful. And a film called Snowpiercer. That's probably the one that people know the most. But he's the real deal. How'd you find him? You just started watching his movies? Did he ask for you? Did you reach out to him and say, dude, let me make a movie with you? You know, we actually met a long time ago when he was at BAM in Brooklyn for a screening.

And I was a fan. But we just kept in touch via email. And then when he'd come to new york we'd hang out get drunk he's super funny yeah like a little perverted like sense of humor you know and i was like okay i like this guy you know and so we we became friends and and now we're working together are you the only um english-speaking actor no uh jake gyllenhaal and tilda swinton and myself are sort of the yeah that's that's some big acting. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're all right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's a big acting force. That must have been just like, were you just sitting there? Do you realize that? Do you have scenes with both of them? I have scenes with Tilda, not so much with Jake, but I've worked with Jake before. Right. Oh, and-

Prisoners. I watched that movie. Yeah. Yeah, that was a scary movie and you know you were you were in a tough space yeah that was tough i have to say that was one of those that paid off when it was done you know i felt good about it when it was done and i think it's a good film and i think the people who i got to work with are, but I can't say that sitting in a hotel room in Atlanta reading about like abuse and PTSD.

Right. Yeah. I can't remember. I think it was Hugh Jackman. Yeah. And yeah. And Jake was like the cop, right? Yeah, that's right.

And you were the suspect suspect but it turned out to be a little more elaborate it was almost like one of those true detective stories yeah we can spoil it now it's been out and that's why it was kind of a cool character in some ways you know yeah he was actually a victim you write you think he's you know yeah well it's interesting what we project onto people just because you look a certain way like you know that guy bad guy. Yeah, well, it's interesting what we project onto people just because you look a certain way. Like, you know, that guy wanted to believe you were the guy because you were freakish.

Sure, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And really, he was just somebody who, you know, got, you know, yeah, well, I mean, if you got taken, I mean, yeah, he's in a state of, you know, trauma. And so when you read that, I don't hold that character's flaws against him. You know, actually, that's a pretty empathic place to come from.

So, you know, even though he seems evil at the outset, you know, actually, like, I think it's somebody you could feel for. Like, man, that guy got, you know, it's not his fault. Yeah, he's human. Yeah. Well, that happened with the character in L.I.E. as well, right? I mean, I didn't see that movie, and I apologize. I've seen a lot more of your movies. human yeah well that was sorry that that happened with the character in lie as well right i mean i'm trying i didn't see that movie and i apologize i've seen a lot more of your movies i've seen more i've seen a lot of your movies yeah yeah i saw the new movie we can talk about that in a

second yeah but um but lie was your big break correct basically yeah i mean you know i was probably 16 but look 12. Yeah. Well, you look 16 now. How old are you now? Yeah. How old are you? I just turned 32 last week. Did you really?

Yeah. You're holding up pretty well. 32, fuck. Oh, come on. No, no, it's great. How do you think you're going to age, really? I feel like it's all going to kick in maybe at 42. You're just going to get old in a day.

I'm waiting for if the metabolism changes because I eat well even though I'm scrawny. Right. You're one of those enviable people who can just eat whatever you want and not put on a pound. People don't like hearing that. But when you took, well, let's go all the way back. Yeah. But before, I don't want to leave anything trailing off here. Where was I? Oh, yeah, Tilda Swinton.

So you're doing scenes with Tilda Swinton, who's just an acting monster. She's amazing. Yeah. When you act, and I've done a bit of acting. I don't have any training, but I can pretend pretty good. When you know that tilda swinton is there are you just acting like a person or are you like can you feel her acting you know what i mean like yeah it's a good question i've been really really lucky to work with

a lot of wonderful people yeah that's something that excites me and gets me off and sort of inspires me and i hope somehow i'll become a better actor myself by you know the same way like uh you play ping pong against somebody who's better than you you you're gonna get better or you quit ping pong yeah yeah yeah so um i think i don't think i think about that much actually i usually feel that when it's done like last year i did a film called youth and and michael pain harvey cattell and jane fonder in it i like that movie a lot when it's done. Right. Like last year, I did a film called Youth and Michael Payne. I saw that. Harvey Cattell and Jane Fonda were in it. I like that movie a lot.

Yeah, it's cool. But like when I was doing press stuff for it was the time where I went, holy shit, I'm sitting next to Jane Fonda and I love Jane Fonda. Sure. But when we're doing it, I don't think I let that come in too much because I feel like one, you're focused on your thing and two i i don't think you want to um let that yeah i do like worry about that but also you've been doing it a long time where you realize like this is our job there's jane fonda she's here to do the job of acting with me yeah yeah yeah you definitely feel like that i mean i felt that way uh you know in

the in the little experience i had doing my show, that these people come who you're familiar with your whole life. Yeah. And yeah, you're a fan and you're in awe, but it's sort of like, no, we're all actors. Yeah, I think so. We're here to work. Yeah, and look, my job is to delude myself so I can delude myself into not being intimidated for a little bit.

But you're sitting there next to Michael Caine. Yeah. And it's like effortless with that guy and it truly is really i mean i think the first take if if he got the words right you've got it really is effortless and it's beautiful it's beautiful to watch um and it's and it's certainly something to aspire to yeah what was it you did you did most of your scenes with him in that movie yeah um and uh i just watched that movie by coincidence i didn't know about it and now i want to see the other work of that director because there seems to be a trend in films right now that that there are these i guess they're indie movies but they're real they're they're

really sort of insensibility art movies i think that swiss army man is an art movie really i mean you would have to i mean it's very entertaining and it's compelling yeah i mean i think so i mean i think you know for me that that film has the potential to to really have both almost yeah that's what i mean same with youth too i thought in the lobster that i saw yeah sort of out there like pop song or a b-side pops i think it can be for an audience but i think yeah there's a lot a lot more to it i think there's a lot at work and i think that's exciting well i don't yeah i don't mean uh our film by the by in the way that it's going to distance people right you know or or or be too bizarre uh or or cryptic for people to understand i mean it's it's driven by uh a lot

of gas. Yeah, yeah. And, you know, literally, but, you know, because I never really thought about it that way until I told my producer, he asked me if I saw the farting movie. Yeah. Are you getting a lot of that? I am, and I'm all for that.

You know, in fact, I love telling people that, like, this is my fart film. It's like something you're supposed to check off, like a box. Like, oh, I did my sci-fi film, or my western, or this is my fart film. I don't know that anyone has ever said that before. I think you might be the only one that's able to say that this is my fart film. I love it. I don't know what it says about me but it i mean i was so excited by the

sense of humor in the film and it's like a c it's like some secret part of ourselves that we don't always get to you know let come out to play or that you're just like with your friends but not out in the world and sure so something actually kind of private and vulnerable about it too because i'm farting well yeah sure no i know I agree with you. Yeah. Because there's this idea that it's gratuitous to do fart jokes, but fart jokes are probably the oldest type of joke there are. Yeah. You know, outside of hostile jokes, you know, where people are getting laughs just for hitting other people.

Right. I think the fart has been funny as soon as humans are able to laugh. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, why is that because it is just a bodily function i know but it's surprising sometimes it happens the wrong time they all sound different they stink yeah uh you know they're uh they they i think fundamentally embarrassing i mean there is a certain amount of pride in them yeah either for length tone or the power of the

smell yeah that's all that's in small circles. That's not for everybody. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it almost is in private circles. I mean, maybe not. Am I wrong about that? About what? That they're sort of exciting?

Sure, sure. I mean, like, you know, if you have that type of intimacy with somebody, that's certainly a testament to intimacy. Like when you're in a relationship, when you cross the fart barrier. Well, yeah, totally. It's a very important day.

And once you do it once, you're like, this is the way it's going to be now. That's right. Because we need to be ourselves. Well, I think that there's a real scene in that movie because your character is so awkward and insecure and sort of self-loathing to a degree. Yeah.

That moment of freedom. I don't want to spoil it. It'd be hard to spoil it, but you own it. Well, look, dude. Now, see, so you got it. But that's amazing. Okay, so first of all, so this film, one thing the director said to me when I met them was, and this has to do with the history of the fart joke, is we want to make a film where

the first fart makes you laugh and the last fart makes you cry. That was a discussion? Yeah, I was in. That's all I needed to hear. That was the pitch? Yeah. Dude, come on. If we could do that, I was in. That's all I needed to hear. That was the pitch? Yeah. Dude, come on. If we could do that, if we could, if we could, that would be a miracle.

It's like space travel. I mean, come on. I was so into that idea. Yeah. I thought, this is fucking brilliant. Yeah. If we could do that, can you imagine? And then I've...

I was proud of you. Thanks. But so, so, but also if the, if the film is what you're saying about my character, maybe being self loathing is great that you picked up on that because I do think he is somebody who his own shame, um, has prevented him from either loving or receiving love, you know, in his life and from loving himself. And, you know, in his life and from loving himself. And, you know, I think it's hard to exist in the world. And when you feel that way, you continue to isolate yourself usually, you know. Yeah, because you feel uncomfortable in your own skin and you're constantly projecting what other people are thinking about you.

But it's really just you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's like, like it's a very, you're almost invisible. And it's invisible and lonely yeah you know and that's what this guy is and then you know through this this farting dead body yeah you know he does learn to have fun again or be happy again or to have just some kind of connection where he actually feels seen or heard or loved or receives it or is able to give it. And yeah, the fart is not just a cheap joke, but it is, I think, in the end, a way to declare some kind of love or freedom or something. Some sort of like self-ownership in a weird way.

This is me yeah exactly finally it was quite a journey for that character too yeah yeah and like you know i i don't know when you look at a script like that i i guess what's the name of the writer director daniel the daniels the daniels daniel kwan and daniel scheinert two different guys okay where do they come from I believe ones from Alabama ones from I was a Massachusetts their second moment college know that their first film first film they've made videos and shorts music videos and short films which are excellent so these are but guys who like they're young yeah and

but you know to take this this premise premise, when you look at that script, do you ask yourself, what is the reality of this movie? I mean, because it's one of those movies where you're like, where is this landscape? Is this a real thing? Because at the end, you sort of have to ask yourself, how much was maybe a hallucination? Right. how much was you know maybe a hallucination right and frankly you know i'm i'm happy to let somebody have their own feelings about that right yeah you know i i actually don't think it's probably like the most important thing whether it's oh no real or not but as you play it when you look at the script do you go like okay so this landscape it does okay yeah totally i know what you're saying uh i think um totally real for me right

as an actor um and it turned out to be much more challenging material than i expected that part of me wanting to do this film yeah was my own like desire to like go have fun like the daniels have such creative joy and spirit in their work if you see their music videos too but just seeing the film they have a real spirit and that's something i literally the first time i saw their work i thought to myself whatever juice those guys are drinking like i want some sure you know and that's literally what you know i wanted that i mean talking about especially like we were just talking about film like prisoners right and like you know that like i in my life was craving literally like i want to go fuck around you know um like that part of me yeah or just you know that part like another part of me

the part of me that that thinks that you know a farting human jet ski is like fucking brilliant and hilarious yeah you know which people may not know that I would like just like think that that's the greatest thing in the world. Right. So so I look at it completely real and I was really excited. But but once you get into that, it's actually a really hard thing to be totally convicted about. I mean, meaning like, wow, OK, like some of this dialogue is is really challenging challenging actually, like to explain to essentially like a child, but a dead guy who's forgotten everything, like what's sex, what's a boner, what's life, what's love. Yeah, and Daniel Radcliffe was great.

He was great. I mean, that was a tough one. Really tough, yeah. No, no, seriously. It's a really hard part and he killed it. Yeah, but he seems like not unlike you, a very open guy, nice guy. I've had him in here.

Like, you know, also up for the challenge to transcend the potter. Yeah. He's a total sweetie and, like, he'll do anything. Like, he's balls to the wall once he's in on something. Yeah, yeah. It's great. And we needed that. Yeah.

It came out well. I mean, like, I watched it. Because look, there's some movies. In the last two movies I've seen you in, the last three movies I've seen you in, were very interesting movies. But Youth and this one, those were compelling movies that don't necessarily explain themselves. Obviously, this one is much funnier. And Youth was really an exploration of age, oddly. don't necessarily explain themselves obviously this one is much funnier yeah and and and youth was really an exploration of age oddly uh but um but the landscape was equally as surreal and a

little peculiar yeah that character was like an actor who was kind of drying out or relaxing in between and thinking about a role oh yeah and then you got to put on the hitler outfit yeah about a role oh then you got to put on the hitler outfit yeah yeah that's the yeah that was great when i you know was was gonna do that when i accepted that part so to speak i was really excited by the director of the actors the script was really kind of um had its own little magic to it all the details that that guy paulo is seeing and and so i just kind of washed over the hitler thing i was like okay I'll figure that out. Then when I went to really think about it, I was like, what the fuck am I doing?

You know, I had like an existential crisis, you know. About donning the Hitler costume? Yeah, I felt really strange about it for a while and really conflicted. And then I realized, well, I guess this is what that guy is going through. So I just use it, you know. I spent my 30th birthday dressed as that character.

I was in Switzerland. No, I can't even see, you know i spent my 30th birthday dressed as that character i was in switzerland no i can't even see you know it's weird literally june 19th of two years ago i i would i spent the day dressed as hitler and that i don't think that yeah i don't think that helped the sort of yeah existential feeling going into your 30s yeah okay yeah uh no no when you ask yourself where am i at this point in my life and you look down yeah i'm dressed as hitler sitting at a table yeah yeah yeah yeah that was good that's a good story yeah yeah it was good um but what is your process when you when like when you're sitting there watching these these veterans yeah well first of all that like i'm i just i really get off on being around people who

like you know i don't know it's just great so whether that's a director or an actor or and you definitely see things to be inspired by or go you know right like man i could probably just like take a breath right here like michaelaine and just, you know, really not, you know, right. I mean, it's going to come. Right, right. You know, there's no, or, you know, you could see another actor do something and go, you know what, I should try that. And then the trick is though, like, it's figuring out what's best for you. Sure. read about people you see people you want to be like this actor you want to be like that you know luckily you know that that that that doesn't really cross you know one's mind anymore you right but i sort of learn you have to do how you're going to do it yeah yeah well i found i find that when i talk to actors the ones that talk um that it is it is hard to explain and it

is sort of an evolving craft now however, however you put it in place, whenever you nail it, whenever you start to, to really feel your own abilities, that it does seem that the evolution of is, is, is, is really up to you that, you know,

it's, it's not a trick or anything else, but you're going to figure out ways to go deeper in, in a scene or in a moment, and you're going to surprise yourself. And, you know, you might get some sort of emotional muscle memory from that.

Yeah. I imagine that sitting at a table dressed as Hitler on your 30th birthday did find some new territory within your heart and mind of things you can do and are willing to do and even the feeling of that. Totally. And you know what? That was a super surprising day of work actually because i i there was the last thing i wanted to do on my 30th birthday

was spend three hours of makeup of prosthetics right right sticky shit getting put on your face right having to hold still right at 5 a.m and like you know but then you sort of go okay you know what this is this is great. And I'm just going to give myself over this thing. And you go, fuck it. And then like the scene actually went great. And some things happened that I didn't know were going to happen because of you. Well, I think just because I had to like get out of my own head and just had to go fuck it. Yeah. And you know, maybe I wouldn't have been in that place i needed to say fuck it if it wasn't my 30th birthday right and and then i had a great time doing the scene so it but in so i

you know surprised myself that it was so fun yeah which is a weird thing still to say well you were but yeah i mean not really because it was you were studying for a role within the movie so it wasn't like you were you know being hitler for did. Did they bring a cake to the set? Yeah, we had cake and champagne. Were you still wearing the Hitler outfit when you had the cake? I think I'd gotten it off. I hope so. Let's see.

Yeah. That would have been good, though. That would have been good. Yeah. But you've been doing this a long time. I mean, how long is it? Where'd you grow up? I grew up in Manhattan and then Connecticut.

You were in Manhattan as a young kid. Mm-hmm. So you lived in a nice apartment in Manhattan. Your dad, what did your dad do? Dad was like kind of a financial advisor. Yeah, we were in a one bedroom. There was four, my mom, dad, me and my sister. So eventually we moved to the suburbs.

Sure. Because, you know. What part of town were you growing up in? We were near like 61st and Lex. Uh-huh. And you were there for how long? I was just there until like fourth grade. And then you moved to Connecticut so your dad could work in the city. You like commuter train town, right?

Everybody takes the train in, you know, good public schools. Yeah. So it was easier to afford to live. It was called Wilton. Yeah, I know Wilton. Yeah. Yeah. There's like a theater community, or that's Westport really, right?

Well, yeah yeah but you know there is a little well yeah yeah well in westport you know it's right there because all the uh stage actors live around i guess there are a bunch yeah that's right you're right yeah yeah yeah so they always had pretty good uh little theater situations in those connecticut towns yeah i guess that you know like doing community theater is, you know, probably where I started. Is it? Yeah. Kind of really at this theater in New Canaan, which I believe was called the Powerhouse

Theater. But honestly, I mean, like little, you know, this was like community. Yeah. I mean. How old were you? Well, whenever I moved there, I started doing it. And I think it was one of those things where you move towns and I believe my mom just had me do like every extracurricular activity there was integrate you into the every sport every yeah yeah yeah which you know um and and just like the theater

was one of them so like you know what sports um basketball is my favorite sport i still play a little bit you know um i played soccer you know I played soccer, you know, I played all, I played most sports, played soccer, I played hockey even when I was young. Just basketball is the one I still, I don't like going to the gym, but I love like playing a sport. I love sports. Yeah. So I love watching sports.

Really? Yeah. Love it. Love it. That's good. Yeah. I never got that. Oh man.

I just like, yeah, I know I'm super into it. It's good. I just, yeah, people, they're like, uh, the people who are the best at what they do in the world and i think they're artists you know sure they're uh you know yeah well you know who made me appreciate it more was that guy um chuck closterman yeah yeah and he was talking about how you you know it's in his new book but there was a bit on football in there he says that it's really the only thing you can watch especially on television where you honestly don't know what's going to happen yeah because it's all relative to these humans doing this amazing thing yeah that uh doesn't have a script totally and i feel that it is drama

you know it really is and and and i'm i'm into that i love the stats of it i love the details yeah the strategy you're in in. So, yeah. And that's what, you know, a lot of times I do, you know, some people ask, what's your favorite thing on TV? And, you know, pretty much the only thing, I mean, I watch a lot of movies. You know, I watch a lot of movies, but a lot of old movies. But if I'm going to watch TV, it's usually sports. And you play music, too?

Yeah, I used to play a bunch. You know, I still noodle. You play instrument, guitar? Yeah, I play guitar a little bit. You know, I used to play a bunch, you know, I still noodle. You play instrument, guitar? Yeah, I play guitar a little bit, you know, I used to play a lot. But yeah, I like to travel with a little, you know, beater guitar just to like have when you're in a hotel room for weeks, you know, away from everything. I have a friend now who has a studio to like jam in or like a little rehearsal space. And I think it would be fun to go plug in and see what that feels like again.

Open it up. Yeah, baby. No, I mean, you know, it would be fun. I miss, I do miss that. In fact, that is something that I get off on where you get from certain films, like A Swiss Army Man, where you're really like collaborating

and playing with people, you know, and that has that feeling that, you know, that there's really a special feeling when you, I mean, I see your instruments here. When you play with people. I know. And it clicks for a moment. It's fucking. Great.

I got to do it more. It's really a special feeling. So I do miss that. And sometimes I get that through my work. Well, I imagine in the new movie especially that you must get it yeah i mean i know you it's seen for seen and some days are tedious and sometimes there's a lot of takes but it seems to me that you know in the ensembles that you've been in certainly in the movies i've seen um you're working with you know pretty amazing actors and and a lot of times it's pretty kind of one-on-one type of shit.

Totally, and yeah, exactly, and I dig that, and I think that's why I keep saying, like, but the people, you know, it's almost like that band feeling, even with the director, like, you know, you know when you meet with people or you see their work, like, oh, we have something in common, you know, like, let's, you know, get into it. So when did you start doing it seriously? Well, I started doing plays in New York, off Broadway and Broadway, even late middle school, early high school. So, you know, I started technically very young, and I did my LIE.

I was 16. Sure. You know. But you'd already done theater. I'd done theater. But, you know, I can't. Like what? I did a play called inherit the wind with

george c scott and charles durning and those guys yeah oh my those guys were like like mountains yeah acting mountains that must have been a lot of spit and yelling you know well there was definitely a lot of spit and yelling but um i wish i remembered it better you know for me i think it was kind of like oh cool you know you don't remember george c scott like who's this kid well i do i do actually but but still i i didn't have the romance i would have about it now yeah what do you remember about george c scott i think they've both passed now haven't yeah his health wasn't great at the time actually so sadly I do remember him struggling a little bit. But he was a bear of an actor. I mean, really presence and gravitas for days, you know. And, you know, my big scene was with him

on like a witness stand, sort of getting interrogated by those two. But I don't think until I was 18 and went to my freshman year in college which i kind of just forced myself to go to to make sure i tried it did i say okay you know what i'm gonna i'm gonna be an actor um and i remember being in my dorm room and was probably like like you know yeah sick of something i was doing it was like fuck this i'm gonna be an actor yeah did you now or did you do any um any training um i've actually started to more over the past like five years i would say no kidding i think because i started acting young i had a lot of feelings about it meaning I saw the world, I saw how other kids acted my age or a little older than me. And, and I was actually really turned off by that. So, I think I made a great effort

when I really started to act to not. In fact, I used college, frankly, I kept going back to college for a few years just to like check myself on the acting stuff. I really had an aversion a few years just to like check myself on the acting stuff i really had an aversion at first to the way you know sort of like it just seemed like how many people kept doing it for the rest of their lives right or became the kind of actor i hope to one day you have you had a fear probably of of being pigeonholed as a child who could do it. Yeah. As a young actor. Yeah, or, you know. Right. And it was actually a big, I was out here, I was doing a movie called The Girl Next Door,

which was kind of a teen comedy, one of my early jobs. Yeah. And I was really fearful doing it because in it I looked a lot like myself, like a dorky haircut and glasses. Yeah. And I was like, I felt like I could do more as an actor possibly or that's what i wanted and i thought fuck god this is all i'm ever gonna get to play right you know because these two movies were doing very well then and i was really scared and i didn't know you could say no yet you know that's kind of something you have to learn i think

i had a similar conversation with martin star yeah the guy who you know from freaks and yeah yeah it's great yeah like he you know hit a wall with that you know yeah with sort of like i want to act and i don't want to be you know here's the nerd we need a nerd right you know god freaks and geeks so good though oh yeah he's great i was great he's great in this new one he's really kind of a very thoughtful interesting actor and so a company as well yeah yeah yeah um but while i was doing the girl next door i got a part in a movie called the ballad of jack and rose that rebecca miller was writing and directing and that daniel day lewis and katherine keener were starring in and i got to play somebody who was felt very different from me or another side of me and and it was actually like getting that part i felt like okay somebody saw me something like okay i can i can be an actor

like yeah you know i i can do this yeah and then you started to like i don't think anyone you you realize that there was a business to commercial films that dealt with young people and there was a very small uh set of archetypes that were repeated yeah Yeah. So once you were able to sort of enter the world of independent film where there was more depth and more range and it wasn't hinging on stereotypes, you kind of found your emotional voice in a little more range.

I think so. And I think as a young person, like if you're not challenged, how are you going to grow, right? And become better at what you do. Right. And I don't know if that's necessarily important to people that are making a lot of money right in mainstream movies right yeah that that

was probably what was most important to me though that's great though you weren't like i'm just gonna be a movie star yeah but then you know i you do it for a while and and then you know there are certain ebbs and flows to how you feel about it. So I find myself poking around more and more about how to do it now than I used to. Oh, yeah? Yeah. Well, when did you, like, because, okay, so you did the Ballad of Jack and Rose. And then, like, shortly after, or maybe a year or two, you worked on Little Miss Sunshine, which is another sort of defining role for you.

Yeah, yeah. And after L.I.E., that was the one. Yeah, and that's probably like the first one for a lot of people rather than lie or what you know right sure yeah a little bit for me yeah yeah it was um and you got to work with alan arkin yeah yeah yeah and uh well and kaneer is pretty good too they're all great i mean steve carell tony collette's amazing actress yeah oh that's right carell yeah They were great. That was a really special experience actually.

And not even because of the result, but it was actually one where when we were making it, I felt like, oh wow. Like, oh yeah. Movies can be fun. Like this is kind of fun. You know, like somehow something was working. It felt like it to us, you know, um, no clue that the movie would get seen the way it did or or or resonate with people the way it did um certainly like arkin i got to sit in the back of that van

with him for all you know a good amount of time and got to ask him questions and what do you have to say you know i can't remember there were so many great quotes but i will say that people would always ask about steve carell back then oh the funniest guy on set and actually no alan alan was like yeah just dry fucking funny you know and a great actor yeah totally totally um and uh and then people who are in those directors i became really close with they they we then later did a film with them called ruby sparks and you know friendships and and it was really special. And then the fact that, you know, it seemed to really like mean something to people was nice. And also it was like you were able to play, you know, instead of like what would be like a nerd character,

it was sort of like a kind of like existentially kind of challenged outsider character. Yeah. Which I think you do a bit. Yeah, yeah, character. Yeah. Which I think you do a bit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally. I mean, I felt like he had a little punk rock in him too, just in the way of like, you know, taking a vow of silence and being like, you know, you've got to have a little bit of balls actually to do that.

You know, that's a little bit of a fuck you. Oh, a lot of a fuck you, yeah. I liked that character a lot, and I really felt like I knew that guy. Like, i mean you know friends like who you know listen you know i had a friend who read nietzsche and listen to smith and was really fucking quiet yeah but stewing yeah totally you know an inner uh rage you know uh uh and that was uh and and you know i have to say that was also that was actually kind of a scary part because I don't talk in most of the film. And I had no clue if I, you know, I wasn't experienced enough to sort of say, I'm going to, I trust in myself or I trust in my directors and I trust in, you know, I was like, fuck, I hope.

Am I getting across? trust and you know i was like fuck i hope am i getting across i hope somebody feels my my guy yeah yeah because you're not able to say anything right and i liked that a lot you know and i would love to do uh i would love to do a silent film or something you know or a part who you know you know i i love that that type of expression um and and think it's very cinematic. But it was really nice when it was like, oh, like, yeah, people got Dwayne. You know, it did. It felt, you know. They did get it, yeah.

It felt good. And you had to trust that script and the directors that, you know, there was a balance to the characters, the comedy of it all. Yeah. And there was a real family. That was this kind of interesting element of that is that how the family structure really was close you know despite the the kind of varied characters you know that there was a real kind of love and unity to everything

well and i think there's a lot of truth to that though sure oh yeah no no yeah that's why that's why i think it kind of worked for people yeah it was it was stunning and when did you start so you say you started studying actually you know like you obviously you're going on a lot of natural ability so when you decided to to study acting how did you decide to go about it well yeah i should clarify i mean you know i definitely used to like first of, growing up in the theater, I think was a natural, in retrospect, I learned a lot,

you know, um, didn't, maybe didn't know I even was at the time, but, but did. Um, and then certainly had a,

you know, enough of a hunger when I was younger to read everything about it and sort of watch a lot of films and stuff. But then, you know, I think it's really fun to keep figuring out how to sort of watch a lot of films and stuff but then you know i think it's really fun to keep figuring out how to sort of uh like walk towards a character and so usually i try to find something new to do for each character and sometimes that can mean trying some new uh thing that i've heard

about like i've heard that right people do animal work for acting right okay i'd never done that before so there was a certain character where i thought you know i'm gonna go try that for this character it feels yeah well yeah no i went and worked with somebody as well okay um you know but sought out at somebody who teaches that and you say yeah i think this might be good for this character that seems to make sense in my head which character was it uh uh i'm hesitant to like talk about why is it no i guess it's just you know um the first time i did that i think was for 12 years a slave um uh i can't remember how many years ago that was but you know there was just something in it

where i thought so anyway like it's fun to maybe find something new to try for a part and it doesn't always sometimes the the benefit you reap is very clear immediately like okay i know why i tried yeah you know um that this you know mask work you know for this part um and sometimes it's not you know and i'm like okay well i'm glad i tried that because i've heard people study that in school you know so i'm glad i tried it and know if it have you had success with animal work yes i have and have you had success with mask work i think maybe that one resonated a little bit less for me. I feel like maybe I actually was already a little bit kind of in tune with that, weirdly. What is exactly?

Okay, well, mask work, it is really fascinating, though. You could, let's say, I'd put a mask on you. You don't know what the mask is. know what the mask is and you're basically probably going to intuit something somehow yeah and behave based on what your sort of intuition is telling you from reaction of you no no from the feeling your feeling of the mask without knowing what the mask yeah and it'll often line up with what the what the mask is um and then you'll do it where you know what the mask is and you'll say okay this kind of exaggerated frown how does this impact my body and they're basic masks um basic well i mean like they're they're not like um superheroes or no mexican wrestling old school like yeah uh like more greek feeling sure Sure, right. I get it.

I get it. Right. So, like, I mean, they're devoid of, like, caricature. No, no. Yes. You're not going to recognize it and go, oh, Superman, I know what that feels like. Right. Or they're not exaggerating.

It's more primal. Right, right, right. Huh. So, you have the intuition and then you reveal the mask to yourself. And then maybe you do it knowing the mask yes yes so that's a couple ways and and there's more but the way that that relates for me already is i really like the idea of like right okay how does the clothes make you feel different shoes make me feel really different hair color makes me hair is darker than normal right now it makes me feel really different um you know center of energy

like okay i carry a lot of tension in my shoulders yes you know where people have different ways of like you know holding stuff in their bodies so you know some characters uh have more strength in their like chest and some characters have more strength than their dick you know and like so i feel like that kind of stuff is like mask work in a way where you know you're so you kind of think about that in preparation yeah you might try that yourself maybe you might try that on and say okay what's it like if i feel like you know a little bit more you know something energy yeah yeah yeah right huh and that's how that's part of your process no i'm i like it yeah yeah no because like it's good to talk about this stuff i don't know if you feel uh like it sounds silly or that it's embarrassing to talk about but i think a lot

of people like i've talked to many actors and and some of them will talk about it and some of them you know don't necessarily talk about it but more lately you know i kind of push will talk about it and some of them, you know, don't necessarily talk about it. But more lately, you know, I kind of push to talk about it because, you know, when somebody sees your work and they're like, that guy's got something. He's a great actor. I don't even know. It doesn't matter whether they understand your explanation. But your process is interesting. Yeah. And, you know know it's true i i i actually prefer not to talk about it usually just

because i do feel like it's just more important like hopefully hopefully i'm not saying mine does but hopefully the work speaks for itself and you just get the character and that's really all you need you know right right but but there are some people that like you know they're actors out there and they're they're they're just sort of like what's the what's the trick and maybe someone is listening to this and they're like okay masks masks and that's like that is like almost like so the opposite what i would of what i want to it's like it's like you know honestly i do i now get like why like all adults are like i wish i could go back to college you know i've always heard that and now i feel that too but i'd be like ready to learn now because i know that oh yeah i know that i can take what hits me and leave other shit behind right but are you ready to study and do

the stuff that is an interest to you i mean there's still a lot about college like no no i just mean like i think you know it's really easy to you know right right hear something like that and be like okay you know like right that guitar player did this so i have to and like what if that's not what's like best no but you could try it you know that i mean it's like when you say i mean the caveat is that uh sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't yeah you know these are things that you're curious about that interest you that could expand your your particular craft or your your skill set. And, you know, you try it. Yeah.

Yeah. So I've talked to Paul Thomas Anderson, too. Yeah. Like I was weird because I don't think anyone has talked to him publicly as long as I did. And not that I know of. I'm sure I'm not tooting my own horn, but I mean, I did have a pretty lengthy conversation with him. And, you know, I thought he was some sort of mysterious brooding genius,

but he's sort of a clown. He's sort of a fun guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's great. Yeah. I mean, you know, and it's sort of like, you know, after I talked to him for an hour or whatever, two hours, I was like, how are you the guy that did those things?

You know? Totally. Yeah. Right? Yeah. He's also, I mean, you know, he's not going to give you all the, you know, even as an actor, frankly. I mean, that's actually something I love about him. I think he's all guts and balls.

You know, I mean, he's obviously got probably intellect for days. Sure. But he's really, I think, like a guts and balls person first. He's got a vision. Yeah. And then he's going to honor it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

But even the heart of that, I think there's just a lot. And I think that's why his work is so good. I mean, it's not just the technical brilliance. He's really putting everything he's got on the page there as a writer, I think. And that part, the part of the one that becomes the preacher, there's brothers. You play brothers. To me, in the movies I've seen of you, that part, the intensity of that part was a unique thing, right? For you enacting it.

To be an evangelical who's building a congregation and has to align himself with the industry and create this very demonic, dark alliance. the industry and create this you know this very demonic you know dark alliance yeah so when you're working with daniel day lewis the weight of that guy yeah you both were pretty heavy pretty heavy some heavy shit did you feel it yeah no i mean you know that was um it's the second time you work with him then yeah it was you know also uh man what a what a lucky what a lucky guy i was you know like i loved paul's work i mean you know i remember seeing boogie nights magnolia and punch drunk love which is which is one of my favorite films um you know and daniel is uh you know he's really um he's a very special actor yeah um and uh so i was uh very lucky and uh thrilled um to to be there and uh so you know whether it was heavy or not i don't think you know i think we did six day weeks in the desert in texas july and august

it was fucking hot and it's period clothes it was a lot of sweat and it was fucking great writing and uh the crew everybody was there to make that film you know together to make paul's film and uh very special um cinematography was amazing oh man was amazing. El Swit and Johnny Green. I mean, everything kind of worked out. Yeah. But like,

I just remember when we're talking about collaboration and about that feeling of like sort of being, well, obviously you're in a role,

but that connection in some of those scenes and when I say heavy, I just mean that, you know, when you're having that dialogue, know with those two characters you know the scenes that you and daniel d louis did i mean when when cut happens you must be like what yeah yeah i think at the end of the day you know because i you know you sort of uh i'm trying to think you know it's sort of like how athletes you know like if you go sit

on the bench too long you have to like stretch again yeah or right you know whatever like it's better to stay warm like you know once once you start a day you know it's not over until the day is done right you know so um yeah it was wild and in retrospect more wild than than doing it probably because you you know you're sort of there and you're throwing everything you got. And you got the right scene partner in front of you. So you got to try and bring everything you got. Well, that was funny because I talked to Ethan Hawke about working with Denzel. Yeah.

And he treated it like he watched a bunch of old Denzel, you know? Yeah. And he treated it like he, you know, he watched a bunch of old Denzel movies. Like he said, football players watch, you know, like tapes. Yeah. So he could figure out, you know, how he was going to hold his own. Interesting. In scenes with a guy that will take it.

Yeah. So, you know, he knew he had to be operating at a level yeah and and he was very sort of conscious of of doing that yeah it's interesting is it yeah it is that's sure i mean why not you know that is that a concern you have like you know all right i'm gonna be i got all these scenes with daniel and uh or do you don't think that way how am I gonna hold my own it's possible that you have that thought like immediately and then you if you don't snuff that out I don't know you're gonna be in trouble so I so I I think the honest answer is actually no and I don't mean that in an egotistical or arrogant way I just think you you you know you can't right right and and also I don't mean that in an egotistical or arrogant way. I just think you, you, you know, you can't.

Right. Right. And also, I don't think. Because it'd be an obstacle to the role in a way. Well, yeah. And also, I just don't think that that's the, that would be my favorite way to think about it. Right. You know, I feel like we're all human and, you know, right.

You know, is somebody else going to take the scene? I don't think so. you know is somebody else gonna take the scene i don't think so you know i mean like the writing is there well maybe i didn't maybe it wasn't necessarily competitive but just sort of like maybe it was an inspiration to sort of rise totally no you're totally right and i think that's you know everyone does that in their own way yeah and and daniel does i hear he's very sort of like in it like even when cameras are off he's wandering around in it yeah he's you know he's a committed guy all right so let's talk about the brian wilson movie i don't want to we can't go through all of the movies but the ones that i i enjoyed and i liked um which a lot of them i just haven't seen but but um in 12 years this way that was

great because that's a kind of a gnarly character yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah you know that that's you got to play some of those right yeah sure but also right i mean i felt yeah like i don't know that that's what are you laying bed at night dreaming or hoping for i hope i yeah no no no but it is like but but again like you said earlier was there empathy that had to be engaged oh for sure yeah absolutely and and just to kind of have a real human being there is the hope you know and and i think yeah you actually coming out from a place of judgment isn't always helpful you know so um uh you know something that steve mcqueen and i talked about was how um you know people who are abused often like sometimes abuse their animals or things like that right you know and and maybe that's a you know, something that, you know, you're taking out something on other people or something you want to take out on yourself on other people or whatever.

So, there were ways sort of into it somehow. And that's kind of one where you go, okay, well, I like the story and I think it's going to be a good film and these are great people. And, you know know to contribute to this like I need to be that you know and that was good for that one

you know yeah and the the Brian Wilson film which I watched I think a couple times actually I thought you were great

cool thanks yeah and I don't know why you know I don't have anything against John Cusack, but my one thing was like, why didn't they just let Paul do the whole, you know,

put a little makeup on him, but fine. Who knows why choices are made? I'm not asking you to explain it to me. But how much time did you spend with Brian? I spent a bit of time with Brian. You know, that's's probably you know that was very special experience for me that making that film why so well i fell in love with brian and and and with the music you know in a very deep way and uh not previous but during well i was you

know i was a fan sure you know this was like you know uh something happened you know i mean right obsessed spiritual connection fan you know and uh and i think it was really important for me in a way like something about maybe to do with reconnecting the music though and bringing that to acting somehow but uh you know i spent probably about six or seven months you know kind of just like getting ready for that and learning to play the piano and trying to get my singing up to range. And, you know, the research was so fun listening to all the studio sessions and the Pet Sounds box they released, really true document of an artist at work, you know, really fascinating and beautiful. And I spent time with people who worked with Brian. Like who?

Like some of the Wrecking Crew guys who are still around. Sure, yeah, yeah. You know, talked to a few of them and a couple of other friends of his from the time. And the amount of love and respect they had for him, it really felt special to get to know this guy and be connected to that music, especially Pet Sounds and Smile,

which I really do think are bigger than themselves. That happens occasionally. Somebody writes something, you know, bigger than themselves. You know, that happens occasionally. Somebody writes something, it's just bigger than themselves. Right. That book or that play or this album. Right. Those are, you know, they're that. Even if there's just one.

Yeah, that's really special, right? Yeah. I mean, it's pretty cool. It's pretty cool. And the way that you played it, too, you know, with the, you know, hearing it in your head and the way that it was directed, I thought it was very effective. Yeah. I thought all that stuff of the early Brian Wilson was really kind of, it conveyed it, the struggle of that guy.

Yeah, yeah. And, you know, fascinating, right? I mean, that music was such a gift to so many people. I have a hard time listening to it. He struggled so much. I can hear it in the songs, though. Like, some people can't. Like, some people can just get distance from it.

But, like, I get sad. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, sure. Now, you know. Before I even knew that stuff, though. Like, I had a hard time with Pet Sounds. Because, like, some of the songs were so simple for a grown-up to be writing, Because some of the songs were so simple for a grown-up to be writing, but the message underneath the poetry was something so lonely and sad and yearning for something.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. What was it like to spend time with him? It was great. is such a sensitive sort of open raw spirit that you know uh my first goal was really just to like say hey i'm paul you know like you know i'm gonna play you and i know that's probably fucking scary like you you know just like yeah not to like grill and study and like you you know and frankly he was so different then and i had done a lot of of, I didn't meet him for months. I did a few months of research before meeting him just to get my own impression of the 60s Brian versus who he is now. So I didn't feel the need at first to sort of overstep my bounds. In fact, I wanted the opposite.

I wanted him to know that I'm, I'm here for him, you know? Um, and that, uh, um, so it was, uh, and I was such a fan by that point. I was, you know, um, you know, excited, uh, and, um, boy, you know, Brian, um, he can, you know, he's struggled in his life. Sure. And I think he can be, you know, in front of groups of people and awkward. But when we got to talk about music, I mean, he really, like a schoolboy came out. Oh, yeah.

And he would light up and, you know, his memory and excited. And, you know, it felt very present and alive in him. And that was really exciting to see and so exactly what music was for him and you know it got to the point where those songs took on new meanings for me which i don't i'm not saying they were meanings that that should be there but like you know god only knows what i'd be without you like for me i think became about music you know yeah sure and you know in my room like in my room for me was the studio yeah you know like so like i just like after spending some time with him i just felt like how music what is him and he is his music and so it all it was very

special experience in that way where it kept revealing itself you know um and then you know i've gotten to hang out with them since and i've gotten to like sing with him at you know play with him oh really fucking cool yeah publicly uh yeah yeah a couple times we did a couple actually the benefits for like mental health organizations and you know i got to go up there and sing a song kind of thing. So he was happy with your portrayal of him? I think so, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's nice. Yeah, yeah, it was great.

So what else is in the, on the, you do, you've got a girlfriend, right? I do. And she's an actress. She's an actress and a writer, yeah. What's her name? Yeah, Zoe Kazan. Oh, right, her grandfather is Elie Kazan. Yeah, yeah.

He did some good shit yeah he's all right yeah yeah yeah no come on yeah yeah yeah and uh is it hard to to be actors or is it okay together you mean well i know i mean just like in the same business well you know she's a woman and you know so we don't have any of that kind of right it's not like we're up for the same parts uh yeah yeah yeah yeah you know i will say that it's actually nice to have somebody we understand each other i think which is nice and can be really supportive in that way i think it's hard that we can both have to travel for work like and sometimes be away for like months yeah i just spent last year i spent six months in russia latvia lithuania doing this war and peace six hour miniseries and

for what for the bbc and the wine scene company you're doing war and peace you're in russia yeah yeah so that was like i loved it was great but that was hard you know like i missed home and she come out she came out twice i came home twice home twice. But, you know, that's hard. So, you know, but we do well, actually. Yeah, we do all right. Good. How was Russia? It was interesting.

I liked it. I drank a lot of vodka. Yeah? Tastes better there for some reason. It's supposed to. Yeah. It was good. Interesting place. Yeah? Were you in St. Petersburg? to. Yeah. It was good. Interesting place.

Yeah? Were you in St. Petersburg? Yeah. Beautiful. Yeah, I'd like to see it. Yeah, it's amazing. Yeah, it's amazing. That's another good thing about it.

It seems like you're seeing a lot of nice, interesting places. I mean, it's really, you know, I do have to. South Korea, Russia, Texas. I get this. No, it's true. You occasionally have to actually remind yourself and go, you know what? I'm lucky. Right.

You know? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And it is, you know, people I don't think realize, and I don't talk about it to many people, but, you know, a lot of the job, your job is waiting. And like, that may seem silly, silly but it is can be a real fucking you know it can challenge you right yeah yeah sure yeah yeah yeah trailer day totally yeah

yeah yeah how do you do do you bring the guitar you bring books it depends on what the scenes ask for you know you got your music you know maybe you have a guitar book or uh you know who knows what depends on the kind of film sure can you shoot the shit on this one or not you know what's the vibe right what's the character and blah blah blah but you know i think you know luckily some of the films i get to do like a swiss army man there ain't there's not a moment of idle time right you know and i like that actually that's keep moving yeah yeah yeah well i liked it man and i think it was a great movie i think you do great work and it was uh it was nice to talk to you cool thanks man

all right he's a good guy i liked him you know he's interesting, and I guarantee you we're going to see a lot of interesting work from him. The new movie is wild. It's more than just a two-hour fart joke. Okay, so go to WTFpod.com. That's powered by Squarespace for all your WTFpod needs. You can check out my tour dates coming up in Bloomington, Salt Lake City this weekend. Where else am I going? New Mexico,

Albuquerque for a night. I'm going to go to Stand Up Live, which I think is now just one night, Saturday night, because I guess Phoenix isn't a Marin town. That's fine. I think we'll have enough room for all the Marin people that are there. Go to WTFpod.com slash tour and find out and get some

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