WTF with Marc Maron Podcast - Episode 732 - Lauren Lapkus

Episode Date: August 11, 2016

Lauren Lapkus showed up to the garage as herself, but she clearly could lapse into one of dozens of characters at any time. Marc and Lauren talk about how she honed her talent for improv, how she missed out on her dream of SNL, how she found a home on Comedy Bang! Bang!, and how she got away with the unthinkable while making Jurassic World. Sign up here for WTF+ to get the full show archives and weekly bonus material! https://plus.acast.com/s/wtf-with-marc-maron-podcast. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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us i'm gonna keep saying that just to annoy people that told me not to say it. Because despite what you think, we get a lot of new listeners and they want to be welcomed properly. Welcome to you on your bicycle or at work or on the train or running in the air outside or at a gym. Wherever you are, down in the mines, digging up things. Whatever you're doing, welcome if you're new. Today on the show, Lauren Lapkus. Do you know her? She has a podcast.

It's called With Special Guest Lauren Lapkus. It's new every week. You can get it on the Howl app or wherever you get your podcasts. And she's funny, does characters and stuff. Before I forget, tickets are on sale. I think they're pre-sale today. Whatever that means, you don't need a code. But tickets for my Carnegie Hall show on November 4th at the New York Comedy Festival are available.

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Right? God damn. Yeah, get some tickets if you're around. Make the trip. It'll be an event. It might be the last time. I don't know. Anyway, so that's that.

How's it going? I'm not at a loss, but I don't know. I'm not sleeping well. I don't know. I don't know what's happening. Like I get up all over and over in the nighttime. I get about four or five hours of sleep. I'm walking around in a daze all the time. It's weird, I guess, in that, you know, I don't have children to worry about their future. I have my future to worry about, but how long is that really? You know, that's, that's, that's where that's sort of the area I'm in now. It's like, how much time do I got and how much shit am I going to keep talking about doing that I never do? Why can't

I just fix my house? People, these are grown up things. I know it's anxiety. I know it's like, you know, I should do it. It would be nice, but there's some part of me just thinks what's the point or I'll get to that. And I imagine that's what a lot of people do. You're going to get to it and then you just never get to it. I got to make a list, not really a bucket list because that would be sad if my bucket list included like, you know, fix the back stairs. That's, that's one of your big gotta do before i die things yeah that's the saddest bucket list in the world fix back stairs so nobody hurts themselves close up area under house so animals don't crawl in there and die and shit fix the hole in the floor in the dining room where you pulled out the antique heater and now there's just a

board there close up that weird cabinet in the hallway that used to be some sort of ancient old-timey hamper situation permanently close that up replace the window that was put in backwards in the second bedroom that you don't use except to hold some of your records boy what an exciting bucket list huh maybe fix wall in front of house where crack is that will ultimately lead to wall falling down perhaps change change ugly linoleum tiles you put down in garage when you first put the floor in the garage and you had some dumb fucking idea in your head that it should look like a 1950s theme restaurant floor why didn't you get a little jukebox for the garage initially you dumb fuck it's quite a bucket list oh yeah

and go to scandinavia That's my bucket list. Man, I hope I get to that stuff. I'm feeling pretty good because I just had my 17-year sober anniversary. That was on Tuesday. I do have peace of mind to a degree. I'm happy to be doing what I want to do. But I got to fix my bucket list. Seriously.

That was a sad bucket list. Not even maybe take one of the first space flights. I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to do that. I'm nervous on roller coasters. I got to tighten it up, man. I got to tighten the bucket list. It shouldn't look like a home repair list.

That's fucking tragic. Right? Fix gate. That's after I go to Scandinavia. All I want to do, and I've talked about this before, and it's not even any of your business. I'm just telling you what's on my mind uh I you know used I used to want to become a chef and I was going to go to chef school but I don't think that's a bucket list and again I don't know how much time I have left you know I'm not dying I'm not sick but who knows you know I want to use that

time efficiently I gotta break out I gotta. I got to go skydiving, maybe take some pilot lessons. Perhaps I should learn how to motocross. Motocross. Yeah, maybe that's it. There's a lot of things I got to learn as an adult, but I don't know how much time I have left. I don't know. I just don't know. Okay. Again, there's nothing wrong. Everything is good. It's just something's going to change, man. One day I'm going to get on these mics and I'm going to be like, guess what? I'm a Mormon. I don't know. That's not going to be it. Guess what? I'm in the landmark forum and I need to tell you some things. Nope, that's not going to happen. Guess what?

I'm a Buddhist. Possible, but probably not. Guess what? I'm born again Christian. I don't think it's going to happen. I don't think I can. I don't think so. Guess what?

I'm a Republican. Nope, that's not going to happen. Guess what? I bought another bike that I'm not going to ride. That is very possible. Guess what? I bought another bike that I'm not going to ride. That is very possible. Guess what? I just bought a couch for my office. That was really too big for the space. That happened.

Yeah. So I have that going for me. A very large couch in my office. Oh, so Lauren Lapkus and I had met one time before briefly uh before i talked to her in here and she's a very lovely talented uh person and i think we talked pretty uh in depth more in depth than usual about creating characters so that um that's something to look forward to and also her podcast which is called with special guestest, Lauren Lapkus. And Lauren will be at the Now Hear This Festival doing a live version of her podcast.

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What? Your show? Yeah. The characters. Yes. The characters. I didn't call it that. I mean, that's what the series is called.

Yeah. Well, who came up with that name? I don't know. Someone at Netflix. No, stop it. You had some control. is called. Yeah. Well, who came up with that name? I don't know. Someone at Netflix. No, stop it. You had some control. It's your show. No, no, because they're all called that.

It's like the series is called The Characters, and then each one is named after each person who did an episode. Oh. So, yeah. Wait, they're not all you? No. No, it was basically Netflix had eight alternative comedians do a special, and they put it under one umbrella called The Characters.

I like how you use the term alternative comedians as if that exists. Well, I think what it means is— You know, I was part of the invention of it, so I'm curious to see how you interpret it. I was going to say, I feel like maybe I'm talking about a different thing than how you might typically— But what I mean by that is just, someone who's not doing typical stand up and like whatever. Like I don't do stand up. And so this is an opportunity for me to do what I do.

Right. Right. Sketch performer. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But some of them, some of the people do stand up, but it's still a little bit more like alt.

I wouldn't say it's just like. No, no, it's not mainstream. Yeah. Do the job. Sell some drinks. Yeah. The place kind of stand up. I get it.

It's a different job. Yeah. So, okay.. It's a different job. So, okay. So there's a bunch of these episodes with different alternative comedians. And who are those? Who are your peers in this undertaking for Netflix? Kate Berlant, John Early, Henry Zebrowski, Paul Downs, Doc Brown, Natasha Rothwell, Tim Robinson, and me.

I am so fucking out of the loop. Yeah. I know none of those people. Well, a lot of the people are people that you might not have heard of, which is cool, which is what's so great about it. No, it's exciting. You're like, hey, that guy's pretty funny. I'd like to see what he comes up with next.

Yes. You should watch John Early. I think he's the best comedian right now. He's the genius? He's so fucking funny. Yeah. And he does characters? He does, but he does stand up and stuff, too. Oh, really? Yeah. I think he's like the best comedian right now. He's the genius? He's so fucking funny. Yeah. And he does characters? He does, but he does stand up and stuff too.

Oh, really? Yeah. I'll have to look into, where does he do that stand up? At one of the nerd outlets? I don't even know where he is, but he does stuff in New York too. He lives in New York. Does he like, like I've sort of like done this weird thing where, you know, I started out in comedy clubs and then we did alternative venues and now everything's an alternative venue and I seem to be moving more back towards comedy clubs, and then we did alternative venues, and now everything's an alternative venue,

and I seem to be moving more back towards comedy clubs. Yeah. I talk to a lot of sketch people, and I've been brought around by them, and I understand it's a viable and exciting and fun way. I'm actually jealous of all of your abilities to work with other people and be pleasant and creative. I've done that.

Yeah. I did it, but late in life. But where are you from? Are you from the Midwest? Yeah. So you're a Chicago person? Yes. I grew up in Evanston, if you're familiar at all.

I am familiar. Yeah, that's Evanston. Yeah, I've done the, I used to do the, what was that theater right there? Mainstage. Oh, yeah. In Rogers Park. Yeah. That's right by there, right?

Oh, yeah. Rogers Park is right on the border of Evanston and Chicago. Yeah. And there's a little area in Evanston because it's by college. And there's a frozen custard place. Yes. Custer's Last Stand. I don't know if that's the one.

That might be different. We have Mustard's Last Stand, which is a hot dog place. Oh. Yeah. Because Chicago's about meat. Yeah. We love it. And so you grew up there.

That's a nice suburb. Yeah. I think it's the best suburb. I mean, maybe I'm biased. But I feel like it is, like, it's, like, a liberal town, and, like, it's very diverse. It's cool. It's not, like, you know, there's a lot of, like, really boring suburbs right around there also. So I feel like I got the good one. Yeah.

I've grown to love Chicago. I think it's an amazing place. And I'm very, I'm happy when people come from there. Yeah, where are you from? I grew up in New Mexico, primarily. Oh, cool. But, like, I spent a lot of time in New York, and I spent time in Los people come from there. Yeah, where are you from? I grew up in New Mexico primarily. Oh, cool. But I spent a lot of time in New York, and I spent time in Los Angeles and San Francisco. So Chicago was sort of like I was late to it.

Yeah. And you get there, and you're like, holy shit, this is its own place completely. Yeah. It's got its own style, its own sense of itself, its own kind of ethnic diversity. Weird kind of like a lot of the people that came to the Midwest were from Baltic region. Yeah, I think that's true. It's like, you know,

a lot of the Ukrainian, Polish, you know, good, there's healthy... My family's Lithuanian. Lithuanian? Yeah. And you look Lithuanian. Thank you. Is that possible? Yes, I mean, I'm half Lithuanian. I look very Lithuanian. Like, I mean, do they have accents Lithuanian. Thank you. Is that possible? Yes. I mean, I'm half Lithuanian. I look very Lithuanian. Like, I mean, do they have accents, Lithuanian?

I mean, they have Lithuanian accents, but I couldn't do that for you. I wouldn't really know how. Your parents do? My dad speaks Lithuanian and stuff, but he's American. So he's first generation American? Yeah. They moved when he was a baby. Oh, not when Ceausescu was there, you know, killing everybody and pushing people out?

No, I don't even know, man. Is that the guy's name? I think that was, I'd like to think it was. There was some trouble in Romania with a fairly corrupt leader of sorts that did some bad things and enabled some bad shit,

but it was probably after your dad's, because I remember it. Yeah. Well, there you go. I don't know the history of Lithuania. I don't know anything about that. Really? So you had no interest in sort of like, am i culturally from i'd like to go there like i've actually thought about taking a trip with my dad and going there but i besides that i don't i haven't like does he go back he's been back a few times does he still have family

there really yeah i don't even know what to what what to expect i don't even know what where is it i mean i don't first of all i'm working on my geography this is actually a thing that i'm trying to get better at right now which is like learning where all the states are and all of the countries are consciously yes well because it's actually like so sad when you like do you have you ever like i'm sure in school like where you have to fill in like an empty map and like fill in all the states and like then you realize like how little you actually know i think i could could do it. You could do it? I think so. The south gets a little confusing. Yeah.

But the middle, the left, and the right. Yeah, I could do it. All the little ones in the top? Oh, I'm bad. How many little ones? There's not that many little ones out there. Like Delaware and then like Vermont and like all those little. Vermont's pretty big.

Yeah, I guess it's bigger than. But Delaware and Rhode Island are pretty tiny. Yeah. But that's it. You know, and New Hampshire and Vermont, that's tricky. Yeah. Virginia, West Virginia is tricky. South Dakota, North Dakota, you should be able to figure out.

Yeah. Right? Yeah. But then it gets a little confusing around Virginia, the two Virginias, the North Carolinas. And I think the four corners I get confused about, like, but you probably would know those better because you're from New Mexico.

Oh, Texas, New Mexico, Arizona. well, wait. Oh, right.

Right. Yeah, whatever. Man, this is fucking great. I'm doing horrible. No. Whatever.

No, it's, I understand where it's confusing, but I know New Mexico is right next to Texas. Yeah. And right beneath Colorado and right next to Arizona and then Utah's up there.

Yeah. Yeah, I get it. And then Oklahoma, a little piece of Oklahoma there. Yeah, that one I know, it looks like a pot. You got that one? Yeah. I'd probably be tricky with Illinois and Ohio and the other one, I guess Iowa, Indiana.

Maybe I'd have a hard time. You are? But that's just because I know the whole, yeah. Because you lived around there, you drove around. Yeah. Really, you made road trips? Yeah, my family was in Indiana and Ohio. I was just there, I was just at those. You are? But that's just because I know them all. Because you lived around there. Yeah. You drove around. Yeah. Really? Made road trips? Yeah, my family was in Indiana and Ohio. I was just there. I was just in Iowa.

Oh, yeah. That's boring. It starts with an I. Yeah. I've never been there, actually. And you're going to say, did you say it's boring? It's my guess. It's beautiful.

It's probably boring. It's how you look at it. I had that realization. All right, so you got big family? No, I have a brother. Were you Catholic-y? Mm- you got big family I'm not no I have a brother were you catholic-y no I'm greek orthodox

technically really but I don't subscribe to any religion how'd that happen my mom is greek and then that's like how she grew up

and so like that's the only church I've really gone to but I've only good costumes yeah yeah gorgeous the priest's got good costumes

big hats nice scented incense coming through. Big hat, right? Mm-hmm. Right? The full thing? It would all be in Greek.

I don't, I didn't know. I mean, it'd be like for like funerals or like Christmas, Easter. Yeah. Yeah, I just generally, then it fell off at a certain point. Sure. We stopped saying we would go. My mom got mad. No more Easter?

She goes though, right? No, then she said, well, she works at a Catholic school, so she goes with her school. So she's got that taken care of. Yeah. There's some checking in. Yeah, yeah. She's all set. Yeah.

But, yeah, well, I mean, Greek, so that's good. You grew up with good food, right? Yeah. I mean, I don't really care about food. I'm like not really someone who cares about that. Really? Yeah. What do you care about, Lauren?

Come on, don't make it so hard i'm not making it hard i just i don't care about baklava doesn't mean i'm like making it hard baklava is pretty special if you got the taste where it doesn't thrill me i saw a piece of it the other day and i didn't go like oh i gotta yeah it's hard to find good baklava yeah filo dough in general like it's got to be really right on the money oh yeah you know more about it than I do, even. I feel like I'm a plain hot dog person. I don't really like- No brats? I like brats, but I don't put anything on my food.

There's a lot of foods I've never had that's really- You just eat a hot dog with nothing on it? Yeah. I've never had a pickle. I like the bun. Whoa, whoa, back up. You've never what? I've never had a pickle.

I've never bitten into a peach. What? I've never, I didn't have a blueberry until I was like 20. So, but this is, but that's a pathology. There's something wrong with you. I don't know. I mean, how do you go through life and not go have a pickle? I was very picky when I was little and I just really didn't want to eat anything I didn't know.

So you're one of those persons that when you were a kid, you ate the same thing like every night. Yeah. Oh, my lunch was exactly the same from kindergarten all the way through high school. I had the same thing every day. Get the fuck out of here. What was it? Peanut butter sandwich, no jelly, like the bag of chips and like a cookie or whatever and like a drink. Like I just had like the peanut butter sandwich every day for like my whole life.

And were you picky about the peanut butter i mean yeah i buy the same one forever i mean what like like a skippy or a jif peanut butter so like okay regular creamy creamy or maybe sometimes i have a chunky oh so that was the big breakout thing like what am i gonna do today yeah but i just like i just i eat to live of thing. So I don't really care about that. Do you get no joy out of eating? I do, but I feel like I have a sensitive stomach. So it's like not as fun to just like have some crazy meal and I feel sick after. But you'll eat a plain hot dog.

Yeah. But I like, I'm like, actually, I moved to Silver Lake recently. And I'm like, there are more vegan restaurants and vegetarian things. So I'm like, I've been leaning that way. And it's been making me feel better. I don't do it for everything, but if I'm ordering something out, I'll try not to get any cheese. Which place do you go? I like Squirrel.

I like Mohawk Bend. A lot of fried stuff there. I get vegan pizza, which I normally would think was disgusting, but it's really good. Do you ever go to Elf Cafe? Yeah, I've been there. That's good. It's kind of fancy. They're very pretentious there. They kind of just act like everything is important i don't give a shit about any of it yeah it's like three tables yeah and there's like weird shit on

everything like there was like harissa dust on like something what is that i don't know what that is i like harissa what i don't even know what it is it's like a moroccan hot sauce oh well okay then there was a dust on it yeah well they had the dusts get a little yeah why'd you bother just come on just give us the idea of it all right so but so you're you're moving away from just peanut butter sandwiches yeah i haven't eaten one in a few years i will be honest with you i'll eat a cheeseburger plain like i don't put anything on the cheeseburger okay so i'm not a freak no No, no. Like I go out of my way. Like I just like,

like if it's good cheese and burger, just no ketchup, nothing. Don't fuck with it. Don't fuck with it. So when did you start doing, you know, running away from your emotions and life with characters? High school.

I started doing improv at IO and like when I was a senior in high school. So yeah, I mean. Yeah. There's probably something to that. I don't know. I started doing improv at IO and like when I was a senior in high school. So yeah, I mean, yeah, there's probably something to that. I don't know. I don't really analyze it that deeply. You don't.

Well, I mean, I don't know. Do you feel like you got into comedy because you were like fucked up? Is that what I feel? Everyone always wants to say that. Like, I don't know that that's like necessarily true for everyone,

but I can only speak from experience. I like if i if i wonder i guess the real answer comes from what compelled you initially like what was you know like like if someone's a class clown or somebody's you know doing a thing you know it's usually for attention of some kind so then you kind of pick that apart like why do i need this attention? What did I not get? Or what do I need? And, you know, and then sort of like, you can build a whole sort of, you know, inner life for yourself based on your needs and insecurities. Yeah.

I mean, I definitely needed attention. But I feel that I got a lot of that. So I also don't know why I needed so much. Like my parents were attentive to me. They were nice, stable people. Yeah. So like's that's the thing that i remember like when i was still together yeah wow 45 years or something that's crazy yeah but i remember when i was doing improv i was with like i was like 18 and all my classmates were like 25 and at the io yeah and i remember hanging out with them and then they'd be like

kind of talking about why they're all fucked up and why their lives are all bad. And then like they made fun of me because mine wasn't or whatever. And that was like kind of a thing where it was like, I'm just I just like being funny or whatever. But I'm sure there's more to it. But like at the time, especially that was just. Yeah, no, you're you're like that would make you the rare thing. But I didn't think like I think innately and this is just my own opinion because there's no real proof of it. like i think innately and this is just my own opinion because there's no real proof of it but i think younger people who are involved with sketch are are certainly a bit more well adjusted than comedians generally because just by virtue of their ability to work with others do you know

what i mean yeah that's that's interesting like there's a collective to it yeah like you're not so fucked up that you're like no i don't need nobody right you can do it right there is something about don't tell me what to do yeah there. It's so much standup is like, ah, don't fuck you. Yeah. I'm doing it this way. Right.

And you really can't do that. It was with improv, especially it's against the rules. Well, yeah. I mean, you just, everyone hates you.

There are people like that, but they suck. It's a democracy of sorts. You're voted out by, uh, by cold shoulders and, and, and backstabbing.

Yes. Yes. Yeah. Well, there are these types within the improv community, like the sort of commedia della arte things. Like there's always the fat guy that drinks too much, it seems. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

There are the tropes or whatever. Yeah. But not even onstage tropes. It seems like there's offstage tropes as well. Definitely. Because the heroes, I imagine the heroes of people in Sketch are different. They're Sketch people. Yeah.

And that can go back to Second City or back to SNL or whatever. And I guess a heavy guy would be like, well, I guess I'm going to be that guy. Chris Farley guy. God, she's my favorite. She's at this level. Yeah. I'm going to drink a lot. Well, yeah.

I think for those types of guys, there are clear role models where it feels like you're allowed to do that or that it's like celebrated. So then you- Funny fat guy. That's important. Yeah, that's a thing. It's very important to TV and movies. We need him.

We need a funny fat guy every few years. I don't know if we even have one right now. I feel like it's oddly Josh Gad right now in like a way that like no one expected. I think that's true. Yeah. But not in a open a movie kind of way right right right but yeah he's just there and we're like cool wow is

that true i guess that's sort of true when one was oh kevin james was sort of oh yeah yeah kevin james is a pretty pretty big star fat guy yeah and he had the the classic sort of uh not self-destructive but kind of like can't help be uncomfortable. Fat guy. Funny. Yeah. Sorry. So I improv Olympic, I've talked to a lot of people from a lot of different strands of improv.

Yeah. I mean, not so much that one. Why did you pick that one? Well, it was actually recommended to me by my teacher in high school. And he, cause I basically like wouldn't get into any play at school and like really

wanted to audition. Yeah. I auditioned for like every play and musical. And I would only get into like, we had like a variety show type thing that we did, like a sketch show essentially. Yeah. And I would get into that. But that was it.

Why didn't you get into plays? I don't know. I'd love to like see my auditions. I'm sure I was really nervous. Are you a song and dance person? I mean, to some extent, but not really. My school had really talented people also who were just like amazing. But really talented in a very specific way

that enabled them to do, like, musical theater in high school, but they didn't have any real creativity, so they're not doing it anymore, I bet. Probably, mostly. Yeah, I know that one. Yeah. Yeah. But there are some that are really successful.

Like, there's one. That you went to high school with? Yeah, she was a little older than me, but Jessie Mueller is currently on Broadway. She was playing Carole King in Beautiful, and now she's starring in Waitress. Like, she's starring in Waitress. She's like a big Broadway star.

So there's some people like that who are genuinely very good. Funny? Not funny though, right? I think she was funny. I didn't know her personally. I knew her brother. But he was funny too. They're all an actor family.

The parents are actors. Really? All the kids are actors. That can happen in a lot of places but I guess it can in Chicago. You can sort of like be an actor in Chicago. Yeah, like theater actors. Yeah.

I mean, yeah, and there's opportunity for everything. So your high school teacher? He told me to take classes at IO and to not do Second City because they had

a teen program, but he thought that I should do the adult program at IO and there was like a limit on the age at Second City. So he was like, go to IO and do that.

So that's how I started. He had faith in you. Yeah. That guy. Yeah, Aaron Carney. Yeah? Yes, that was his name do that. So that's how I started. He had faith in you. Yeah. That guy. Aaron Carney. Yeah? Yes.

That was his name. And he's still alive and he's awesome. Do you thank him publicly as often as possible? I have thanked him a few times publicly, yes. Because I really owe it to him that I started doing that. I wouldn't have done it without him. You need that guy. Yeah.

He's great. Yeah. Believes in you. He did. He did. I don't know if he still does. Maybe he does. You know, yeah.

I'm sure he's just sitting there going, why did I fucking tell her? She sucks. Yeah. I'm not on board. So who was there when you got there? Like my teachers, like Peter Gwynn and Sharna and Jason Chin and Susan Messing, TJ Jagadowski. Susan Messing? Noah Gregoropoulos.

Yeah, like, I don't know any of them. Okay, those are all, like, big improv people. From Chicago. Yeah, yeah. But not in that area, because, like, no one's talked about ImprovOlympic that much. Second City, yes. Yeah, yeah. I've heard a lot about Second City,

and I've heard about Second City touring crew. Yeah, I didn't do any of that. Yeah. How was ImprovOlympic different? What was, because I know Second City has sort of a mythology to it. Yeah, and they're focused on writing too, like sketch writing and things like that. I didn't do any sketch classes or anything like that. I just did improv.

Straight up improv? Yeah. Like Harrell's? Yeah. They did that there. So were they an offshoot of Second City? Were they like, we're going to start our own thing? I guess in the timeline that would be true, but it was so different from what they were doing that I think it was just like, I don't know if it was an offshoot as much as like a different thing.

Now, when you were coming up, did you know that, what was your goal? To be on SNL. It was, right? Yeah. Yeah. That was like what I, that was the only thing I knew like my whole life as like how you would do this

like I wanted to be a comedian but I didn't really know what that meant besides SNL like I really watched that all the time and admired those people

which ones like Chris Farley and Adam Sandler that was like going back David Spade when you were a kid yes those were my

favorite people growing up so funny right yeah he was funny David I talked to Spade he's so funny right yeah he was funny dave i talked to spade he's so funny he i still think he's like one of the funniest people like you should listen

that interview because like he'll just he just naturally has a way like he you know because he's a lot more open now yeah there's still this weird little bite that he has he's so dry yeah i love it's really good yeah he's amazing um yeah so that was like the thing and then doing but i but it still wasn't like the end goal i think doing improv i really just wanted to do improv i wasn't really thinking like and then i'll do this and then i'll get on a sun out like i think now that's for people that's like a very obvious like plan yeah it wasn't so clear before that you that could lead to that right it was just more like a step of like performing and like how but did you know i guess well at that time did you know that they, I guess, well, at that time,

did you know that they were involved with Second City, like Chris and those guys? Yeah, yeah, I knew that. And that's where it came from. Oh, yeah, I definitely read all the books and did all that shit. Oh, really? Yeah. So you're full on SNL.

Yeah, I knew everything about it, yeah. And did you know how the audition process worked? Did you know you needed characters? Yeah, I guess so. I mean, I had seen some of the auditions and stuff. And I knew enough. I mean, from watching the show, you kind of infer that, I guess. But I didn't really know about the process until I was older and heard more from people.

Right. Because they don't talk about the audition as much in books and things like that. Right. They don't talk about the horrible process. Yeah. The waiting. Yeah. The like that. Right. It's more just like the on show. They don't talk about the horrible process. Yeah. The waiting. Yeah. The not knowing.

Yeah. The horrible, dry, empty feeling of the room when you do your screen test. Yeah. Did you audition for it? Yeah. Oh, wait. Don't talk about it yet.

Let's build up to it. Okay. It's a crazy story, man. Is it? No, I mean, I don't know. It was crazy for me, but I wouldn't build it up to it. Okay. It's a crazy story, man. Is it? No, I mean, I don't know. It was crazy for me, but I wouldn't build it up that way. Why the, well, let's wait. So, okay, so you're in high school and then you graduate high school.

You did all right? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, yeah, I just really wanted to like be an adult and like do comedy and stuff. So no college. I went to college. I went to DePaul in Chicago, but so I could keep doing improv. Oh, yeah. You didn't care about college. You were just placating your parents. Yeah. And I went to college. I went to DePaul in Chicago so I could keep doing improv. Oh yeah,

you didn't care about college. You were just placating your parents? Yeah, and I wanted to get a degree. That was something that was important to me. What'd you get it in?

English. Oh good, smart. Yeah, fuck you. I know it's worthless. I have the same degree. Oh,

you're great. Yeah. I actually, yeah, I'm in my garage. Yeah, I mean, yeah,

but that's what's so wonderful is that you're doing what you want to do. I think it's great. Yeah, I mean, yeah. But that's what's so wonderful is that you're doing what you want to do. I think it's great. Well, but like, what part, were you involved with the English thing? Did you write some poems? Did you read, did you have a focus,

like romantic literature or something? What interest did you have? I didn't really focus. I didn't have like, you know. You didn't have to do that? No, thankfully. There was like a point actually in my senior year where I realized like, wait,

am I supposed to have like a thesis? Like, but I didn't have to. So I got really worried because like some of my friends were doing that. I was like realized like, wait, am I supposed to have like a thesis? Like, but I didn't have to. So I got really worried because like some of my friends were doing that. I was like, wait a second. Am I supposed to be doing that? Because it's the last semester. Did I miss something? But so, but you read your shit?

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, like I love, I love reading and I love literature and that was like a good, and I love writing. So like for me, that was like a perfect major. So during, during college, you're, you're just going over to IO and doing, at that point, is there a company or you're not doing classes, right? No, yeah.

I graduated and I got on a team and I was on teams for like all of college and that I'd perform almost every night at a few different theaters around town. All improv. Yeah. Yeah. And that's how it works there. Yeah. I mean, I would do like shows at IO and then like the theater called the Playground, which

was like an indie theater and you could be on a team there. And the Ann mean, I would do shows at I.O. and then the theater called The Playground, which was like an indie theater, and you could be on a team there, and the annoyance. Oh, so the annoyance, that's the other one. Yeah. So there's actually a circuit, and if you're at a certain level, you can just go jump in?

Yeah. I mean, yeah, you get on teams, and then you can perform all the time. And then if you're not performing, you're rehearsing at that point. But do you always perform for your team? Is it possible to just show up at one of these other places and there's a team on stage and they're like lauren's here jump in no no no we're jamming no i mean yeah i guess there's like jams but that's

always horrible it is just i mean for me i think why because it's just like a mishmash of like horrible things happening like it's just a lot of times like people who've never done it before i just like stress would stress me out to be like so you get used to your team and what each person's strengths are. Yeah. And you kind of move as a unit. Yeah. Even though you're making it up. Yeah.

Yeah. And then if you do a jam or then it's just sort of like, who the fuck is that guy? Yeah. What's he doing? Well, I would, like, this is not, like, a cool thing, but I would, like, go to Iowa and watch the jam. There's a show called The Jam. Where you kind of can wait to jump in? Yeah, and people would get up and stuff.

But I would just get drunk and heckle it. And I was a kid, so it's super annoying. They must have loved you. Yeah, but it was fun. So you do this, and now throughout all of this, when do you start developing of like developing characters that stay with you yeah i think like over i mean for what was kind of crazy for me was that like i never used my own voice and improv until i moved to new york i moved to new york and did like ucb

and that's how i kind of learned to like use my own speaking voice i would do character voices all the time yeah and uh that was like a big turning point for me in terms of, like, really understanding how I wanted to play. And then, like, from that point on, it became easier to have characters that I brought back, essentially. But in improv, you don't really want to, like, repeat the same character. Like, you don't want to be like, oh, here she goes with that guy. Like, I do, like, some things that are, like, I'll be, like, a teenage boy. But it's, like, different every time because you're you're like in a different situation and it's not. So the characters are not necessarily, they don't have names and they don't, and you don't

know when they're going to come up because you're improvising. Yeah. But when one starts to sort of take shape, a voice, I guess it starts with, then at a different time, you can kind of build a personality around it. Yeah. And for me, actually, when I really did that was through Comedy Bang Bang. Like, that was how I kind of started having recurring characters. Once you got out here?

Yeah, and, like, just having the opportunity to do a character that you can bring back. Like, speak in the character voice for, like, an hour and then bring it back again. And so you have, like, a built history with it. And so... So when did you... Okay, so you're kicking around these teams and you're, like... Were you making money doing improv? No.

No. There was no money. No, I was babysitting, yeah. Really? Yeah. I saw a babysitter character. That was funny. Oh, yeah.

I watched that one. What was that from? Oh, like a video online? Yeah. Yeah, it was like a web series of terrible babysitters. What happened? So you spend all that time and you get polished as an improviser, but what happens after Chicago?

Where's the move? I moved to New York. I was in a sketch duo with my friend Candy Lawrence. And she's a stand-up now. But we moved to New York together. She's great. She's so funny. Is she out here?

Yeah. But we moved to New York together and we were... Was she in your group? It was just us two doing sketch. So that was like... But where'd you meet her? Oh, we met doing improv on an all-female team called The Misfits. That was like...

How was that? How was that different and good? It was great. It was really great at the time, especially because it was just like, it's a different energy to be with all women. I mean, usually I'm the only girl on a team or like one of two. Right. So it's like when you're with a bunch of women, it's very supportive and cool.

And also like it can get very catty and weird. So I think, you know, all the things you might expect. And did you play a lot of male characters? Yeah. I mean, you know, everyone kind of took turns doing that which is fun i mean i do that in improv anyway like with men i don't care but right more obvious when you're with is it fun to play men yeah i think it's great so you meet this girl candy and you guys are writing sketches then yeah after that you're like we're gonna write sketches yeah but it was still very loose we really improvised like

most of we'd have like beats to it. But how is that different than like a comedy team kind of? Isn't that something you could do in a comedy club and not necessarily a... Yeah, so we'd do a lot of shows like with stand-ups.

Like we'd be like the one like not, you know, stand-up thing. And then that was like kind of how we started going around. We'd do like Lincoln Lodge and like different shows like that. Right, right, right. And then we moved to New York

and kept doing that. But then I started doing UCB and got really into that around town. Right, right, right. And then we moved to New York and kept doing that. But then I started doing UCB and got really into that. What do you mean? So you auditioned to be, or you just started working over there? No, you have to take the classes. Like if you've never done- You went through classes again?

Yeah. Who were your teachers? Porter Mason and Kevin Hines. I just rotated. And how many years did you do that for? That's just one year. I mean, it really wasn't that long. It was like probably six months or something. Yeah. Yeah. And how many years did you do that for? That's just one year. I mean, it really wasn't that long. It was like probably six months or something.

Yeah. Yeah. And then why'd you come to LA? Why'd you decide to bail on New York? Why didn't you just become a fixture? Well, I always wanted to move to LA. My plan was to move to New York for a year. And so I did that.

I just wanted to go there because Candy wanted to go. And so it was like, okay, well, I'll go for a year and then I'll move to LA. Did you move out together again? No, I i moved alone i was in a long distance relationship and then yeah what happened to that uh we got married and then we got divorced so yeah that's all how long did that last um we were together for eight and a half years but that's about it we got yeah yeah i've had a couple about seven and a half years. That's about it. I've had a couple, about seven and a half, eight years, where you're with them for a while, and then I get married for like three, three and a half years, and then got divorced.

You did that twice? Twice, yeah. I knew you were divorced once. No, I did almost the exact same thing twice. That's so interesting. In the timeline. Yeah, not the same type of relationship but the same no no i felt differently but but the timeline sort of was similar which is kind of odd like when

you got married so you'd been with him for like five years seven years we were married for a year and a half so yeah yeah so like he was that when you got married was it one of those things where it was like yeah i guess we should yeah right yeah of those things where it was like, yeah, I guess we should. Yeah. Right. Yeah. I mean, yeah. I mean, yeah.

It's still happening now. So it's like a weird. I didn't mean to walk into that. I did that. But you're in the middle of a divorce. Yeah. Yes. Has it gotten ugly yet?

No, it's actually I think it's about as good as it can go. Right. In terms of those things. I've heard so many horror stories from people that like, yeah. Are you mediating? No, it's all handled and everything. It's just a matter of like time now. Oh, so there was.

Oh, okay. So there wasn't lawyers involved. No, we did it ourselves. Well, then it's not only is it amazing, that's the best that could happen. Yes, I think so. I think we both felt that way. So that's good. You both wanted out? I mean, no, I mean, I think we both felt it was the best that could happen. Yes, I think so. I think we both felt that way. So that's good. You both wanted out? I mean, no, I mean, I think we both felt it was the best that could happen.

I don't know. It's still a very confusing thing, I think. Okay. But, you know, I'm still working through my feelings. Yeah? Mm-hmm. That's going to go on a while. Cool.

And now you're a divorced person. I know. It's so weird. I didn't want to be that. I didn't want to be that. Welcome to the club, divorced person. It's such a weird thing but it's also like whatever who cares i don't know there's like some part of like

i think when you think about that before that happens to you you're like i don't want to be that yeah i want to be the person who's married forever or whatever i am forever i just don't want to be that and then you're just like well actually i am that now and i don't it's not a big of a deal i've always been i hope, I hope this works person. Yeah. I think that's nice. Yeah. Maybe it'll work out. It's fucking horrendous. You think that's bad to have that mentality?

I don't know. I think that's like better in a sense. No, it's just the whole thing. Relationships are so difficult. I mean, like, like what do you want? Yeah. It's crazy. How old are you?

I'm 30. All right. So, you know, you're, you got fresh slate. Yeah, man. You can still do the babies. You can do whatever you want. Yeah, I know. So it's not horrible in terms of life plan.

No, it's just a disappointing chapter. Yeah, it's shitty. Too bad that didn't work out. Right. Yeah. Exactly. We tried. Yeah, man.

Right? Yes. Okay. You want babies? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Are you offering?

Yeah, sure. If you take care of them. Okay, great. See, no. Yeah, that's not a good idea. That. Yeah. Are you offering? Yeah, sure. If you take care of them. Okay, great. See, no, this is a, yeah, that's not a good idea. That's horrible. Yeah, I'm at this age now. It's sort of like, I guess I could have one, but, you know, I don't know how active I'll be. Bring them back around.

Would you want, do you think you're going to have kids in your life? No, I think that ship has sailed. I almost did a while back. Are you glad it didn't happen? Yes. Yeah, because it's not so, I guess it's the age, but, you know, I didn't have yes yeah yeah because it's not so I guess it's the age but you know I didn't have them probably for a reason I never really thought about it was never a goal right do you know what I mean like I was too selfish too anxious you know too self

involved you know I didn't really necessarily trust myself emotionally for that shit yeah you know I'm glad that I didn't it would have probably been a bad thing yeah I think it's really interesting when people choose not to have kids and they purposely know they're not going to like I think that's cool it's okay I don't know that I think I would have been willing I almost it was very close yeah but but still like I don't again like you like you really got to want him and I know everyone thinks that you it's just a natural thing that you want him right but like I don't think I ever really had that like my brother had had that, he's got three. Right.

So like it was never like we gotta get, like because people time their lives around it. Yeah, and I really want kids. Like that's something I've thought about my whole life that I want kids. I've always known I would have kids. I think you're gonna. Yeah man, I think I will too.

I think like within the next three years I bet. Hey, look at this, are you a psychic? I'm not a psychic but I have an understanding of the biology of this situation. I'm thinking in the next five years, one way or the other, you're going to have a kid. Yeah, that is true. And that's what's cool is that nowadays you can do it any, I could do it in so many different ways that it's amazing. You might be doing it now.

Surprise. Whoa, shit. That pillow is one of those pillows. No. Yes. One of those pillows. I don't like it. that pillow is one of those pillows one of those pillows i don't like it but even just like being like oh i could have like ivf or i could adopt or i could meet someone all these different ways that it can go yeah yeah there's a million ways it can go without having another person involved

between you and your kid it's true so it's kind of nice. So you moved out here. Yeah. Wait, when did the SNL audition happen? That happened, I want to say, 2012. Before you left New York? No, no, no. I was out here. I've been out here for a couple of years. So you come out here and you start doing what? You got an agent?

Yeah, I got an agent and a manager. And then I got on a TV show kind of early on into my time out here. Orange is the New Black? No, it was called Are You There, Chelsea. It was Chelsea Handler. Oh, yeah, I remember that. On NBC, yeah. I like her. I have a lot of respect for her she's a tough cookie yeah it was a great

experience it was so exciting because i i like loved sitcoms growing up and like that was and that was a straight up sitcom wasn't it yeah like old school like you're on a soundstage yeah yeah and i've done a few of those since and like it's it's the kind of show that like i really enjoy acting in it but i don't watch multicams so it's interesting because i'm like i it's it's the kind of show that like i really enjoy acting in it but i don't watch multicams so it's interesting because i'm like i love being it's the best way to perform in my opinion like it's so fun but you have the audience and the thing and whatever and you have jokes jokes yeah i think it's fun but i but i imagine it's fun but isn't it a little um stifling of your creativity.

So that's like the goal now is to like do things that are more. And as an actor, you're just sort of like, here's the shit that's going to come out of your mouth. Yeah. And you're like, I don't know if I can say this. And they're like, we think you can. Yeah. Why don't you just do a take for us? Yeah, yeah.

And then you can say it how you want to say it. Right. I mean, it's so specific and like meticulous in the way that, I mean, most multicams are done. That's why you like it. It's the peanut butter sandwich. It totally is, I think. When I started, because it was my first job, it was kind of an easy transition out of theater performance.

Oh, yeah, being on stage and having the relationship with the audience. Yeah, and then to go on camera. It was a very easy thing. And my character's pretty big. And so I've learned over the years of like how to like, you know, hone that a little more, like be more like toned down,

but like for like a multicam, that's great. It was perfect. It was easy for me. They need broad characters. I'm like a dumb idiot. Who's like saying a crazy thing. Like that was like,

yeah, they need it. It's absolutely necessary for the ridiculousness of the narrative. Yeah. Hey, look who's at the door. What? Totally.

Someone's always at the door. It's crazy. Yeah. Hey, look who's at the door. What? Totally. Someone's always at the door. It's crazy. Yeah. Like, I never fully noticed it as, like, it's not so much that I didn't know it. Yeah. But, like, I was watching Undateable once. Yeah. And they sort of deconstruct the thing.

Yeah. I don't even know if it's- That's kind of why I even said that not all of them are like that, because that show is kind of different, though. Yeah. I don't know if it's, like, I don't know how much is on purpose or just, of why I even said that not all of them are like that, because that show is kind of different. Yeah. I don't know if it's... I don't know how much is on purpose or just really a testament to how stupid viewers are. But do you know what I mean?

Yeah. They can literally go from two people and then just sort of move the camera and like, oh, look, they're in the middle of a conversation. And they're coming in in the middle of a conversation. And you're like, this is fucking vaudeville. Yeah. And that's just what it is, though. I know.

I know. And the only thing that makes them work one work better than the other is if you're not thinking about that right like the ensemble is so strong yes and and and the characters may be broad but they have enough depth to where you can get emotionally attached and not going like that person didn't just really drive his car into the house right Right. Totally. Which did happen on Full House. What is going on outside? It did?

Yeah. Someone drove the car into the house? Yeah. Was that a Jump the Shark moment? I don't know. Whatever that means. Did that show ever jump the shark? It was great till the end.

It was? You loved it? I mean, I love Full House. Yeah. It was horrible. Was that the Bob Saget one? Yeah. Yeah.

I see him around. Yeah. I saw him last week. He's cool. Yeah. Everybody's getting old. It's an interesting thing to witness. He's a little older than me.

Yeah. You know, these guys, because he still goes up on stage and he has to identify with that. Right. It must be so weird. Like, I think about actually those guys a lot because there were a few stand-ups on that show. And, like, to be doing something that's a family program, I mean, it's, like, actually so not humor, no matter what kind of adult you are. Right. But even like just as an adult, you're like, I don't want to say that or care about this

fake kid or whatever. Like they did that for like 10 years. Well, that was a funny thing about him is that like I never I don't think I ever watched an episode of Full House. I don't know how I miss almost everything. So it's not personal to you. Like I literally do not. I miss just about everything.

And I don't know what I was doing as a child, but I was not watching comedies. Yeah. I mean, I watched SNL and stuff, but I just, I missed all of it. Yeah. I've seen maybe three Seinfelds. That's insane. I don't know how. I don't know how.

But I've seen like, I'm the opposite. I've seen like every show over and over again. Like, I've seen like every TV show my whole life. I watched them all. That's because they're comforting to you. Yeah is like my drugs it is you know a woman that i dated would could watch friends and gilmore girls all the time yeah all the time feels great friends is on all the time now on tbs and it's like feels great it does feel good to you point yeah and every episode is good and you've watched them over and over again yeah what other ones like i mean i watched stay by the bell like 90210 like all these types of shows growing i loved like

teenagers when i was younger like just being like they're so cool and then i mean i could watch sex in the city over and over that's like when i watch as an adult that i could pick up at any episode and enjoy the great thing about being me is that like i can like that almost every show is new to me. Yeah. I had the weirdest experience with The King of Queens. I never watched that show. Oh, yeah. I may have seen a bunch of it on an accident.

I know Kevin. Yeah. And then I tune in, and I'm like, he's pretty funny. And Seinfeld will come on, and I'm like, wow, this is a pretty good show. And this was like a week ago. Everyone's like, we know. That's all we've been talking about forever. Yeah, two decades. Yeah. Leah Romini is very funny on that show how do you say your last name which

one remedy oh yeah yeah she's great yeah she's so funny on that show yeah it's a it's a silly show but like i you know i'm a big fan of his because like he's just one of those big guys that like he can't like he has to be funny in every second. Yeah. And it's just from his discomfort. Yeah. Like, as soon as he's on stage, it's sort of like, just him standing there. It's funny. And I always envy people like that. Yeah, it's interesting.

Yeah. Like, do you know those people? Yeah. You must see it in sketch or in improv all the time. I think, like, I don't know if you know Betsy Sedaro. She's an improviser, but she's like that, where, like, she can kind of just walk out and people already think she's hilarious. She just can't do anything.

I don't know where that comes from. It's a gift. Yeah, she's just, like like she's just naturally emanating that she's funny so you come out here you do the so you jump right in you get you're fortunate and talented yeah it was good i got i was like coming out to look for an apartment and the auditions timed up and i auditioned and got on a team so i like went back to chicago and got all my shit and came back and was like on a team which was so great like on a tv show you mean on a team oh no on the team at ucb but like oh yeah and then like getting on the, which was so great. On a TV show, you mean? Oh, no, on the team at UCB.

Oh, yeah, and then getting on the show, but having the community right away is what's so great about improv. And who were your people then? It's all a team that you wouldn't know. Oh, really? Yeah, I mean, it's called Bank Ring. I'm still performing with them.

Was Seth running the place then? No, it was this guy, Neil Campbell. Oh, yeah, I know Neil, yeah. And then Seth ran it after him, right? Seth, I want to say, was before Neil because I never knew Seth as a lady. Oh, maybe that's right. And then Curtis Gwynn, right? He was before him. Neil, yeah. And then Seth ran it after him, right? Seth, I want to say, was before Neil, because I never knew Seth as a lady. Oh, maybe that's right. And then Curtis Gwynn, right?

He was before him. Oh, okay. So Neil, it was Neil, and then I think Mike still. At the old one. Oh, no, there was someone in between, I can't think of. At the one on Franklin. Yeah. But, yeah.

Did I ever see you there? Did I meet you there? No, we never met. Did you stand up one night? We never met until. At the Jeff Ulrich's, Jeff Tweedy weird sort of situation. Yeah. Where like, I was so happy it was a charity event, not just some weird vanity thing.

Right, right. Going into it, I'm like, who the fuck just pays Jeff Tweedy to play in their living room? And then it's like, oh, it's for, okay. It's for charity. Yeah. It was great. And I was so relieved it wasn't a spectacular house. Like, I didn't know what I was going to walk into.

Oh, right, right. You're not like some like some mansion yeah because i know jeff he's uh he's been great uh a great friend and we do business together but i don't know his life yeah and then i get this invite to a jeff tweety thing and i'm like holy shit and i thought we were gonna walk in there's gonna be an infinity pool yeah but it was just a regular house no yeah he's so cool yeah he's great yeah that was super fun but i didn't know what to make of you yeah you're just this uh cool yeah he's great yeah that was super fun but i didn't know what to make of you yeah you're just this uh this is i the uh the the personality i projected onto you which i do immediately with all people is like oh she's um like she's already scared of me it's not gonna be a good situation

i've overwhelmed her she's did you really think that she's a fragile sprite like did you really think this well yeah That's so interesting. I felt happy to meet you because I was like, oh, cool. We'll have talked for like two seconds before I do the thing. Right. It was like, but I wasn't like scared of you. Yeah. No, no.

I made it all up. I'm like, I decided she comes from a different type of human strand. I think what's interesting about that party specifically was that I didn't know anyone besides Scott Aukerman. And then I met a dude who I talked to like the whole night, but that was it. Oh, yeah? I didn't like know anyone. So for me, maybe if you got the energy of like a nervous person, it's more just like I'm like, oh, I don't know anyone.

Well, yeah, and I know Scott, and that's always awkward, even if you've known him for over a decade. I can always count on Scott for being initially awkward, and then eventually he starts talking like a person. Well, it's so funny with him because I feel like I basically only talk to him on the show, like doing characters and shit. So I'm going on tour with him and Paul and Neil, and so I'll be getting to know them all. Neil who? Campbell.

He's the bang-bang guy? Yeah, he's opening for us. So I don't know if he's doing characters or what he's doing. All all right so you're okay so now you're at ucb you got a team you got a community you're in la you're you're with people you're hanging out backstage you're having a beer yeah and yeah i had a beer it was great and then i got on that show which was great that was and i could stop babysitting that was like huge for me to stop babysitting i had a couple commercials right before that i did like four commercials and that kind of i did like a snickers commercial with joe pesci that was like kind of me to stop babysitting. I had a couple of commercials right before that. I did like four commercials and that kind of, I did like a Snickers commercial with Joe Pesci.

That was like kind of popular. Really? And then like, so these commercials like running a lot. And that was it working with Pesci. It was interesting. He was, um,

he was basically like directing the commercial, even though he wasn't the director. Right. And like, he was wearing platform shoes. He's a little guy. What do you want from him? No,

man, nothing. That's what I, exactly what I wanted. And was he nice? He was like, fine. Like we didn't like talk, you, man, nothing. That's exactly what I wanted. And was he nice? He was fine. We didn't talk. Didn't hang out?

No. I can't see it. We didn't chill at Crafty together. I can't see it. That would be two totally different forms of human. There would just be no way to talk. I don't think it'd be possible. So that didn't happen.

But that was cool because the commercials allowed me to quit babysitting. And then I got the show and that helped. And then the SNL edition came while I was on hold waiting to hear if we'd get a second season of chelsea which didn't happen right but i didn't know that so i was like auditioning in that window so how how did the snl audition happen um i did a showcase at ucb um and there were like it was four people like who were scouting or whatever and then they flew me to new york to do another showcase that lauren would be at it was at the pit theater in new york and so i know that really that place wow yeah and then i then they flew me again and i did it on the stage at 30 rock or whatever so

so the pit theater is weird it's like a big stage and there's there's like seating around it but it always felt a little dirty and beat up in there actually this was a newer space they had an old space this was different and but it was very like the audience went up very high right right right and i could see him i like looked through like a peephole in the curtain or whatever and i could see him in the audience yeah and that was crazy because i was so excited that he was actually there like he just kind of thought like is he really even going to come to this like ridiculous yeah so what uh what characters did you do um they were all things that I haven't really done since. It was like, I did like, well, actually, one of them is in my special.

So one of them has lasted the whole time. And you can see it. It's a stripper who strips to the saddest song ever. And then I stripped to Fast Car by Tracy Chapman. And I would hump an audience member during the chorus with dead eyes. And then so in the special, it's Brick by Ben Folds 5 because we couldn't get fast car so right right a little cheaper yeah i guess well tracy chapman apparently doesn't let her songs be used for anything so it was like not even about money it was more just like she just says no right and then he i guess thought it was cool i don't know

if he has any idea what it is people have been tweeting at both of us about it and i'm like very curious if he has seen it because it's such a weird way to use his song. So I'm excited to hoping that he's seen it. Yeah, so that was really fun. And then I did a couple other things. They all kind of blur together at this point. I think I had a woman who couldn't stop crying. She was talking to a guy that she was trying to hit on, but she kept crying. And a woman who was looking for her date, but everyone was not her date.

So she just got embarrassed over and over and kept trying to play it off. Sounds hilarious. Yeah, it was fun i were you getting laughed yeah and it's great because we had it was so awesome about that one with lauren being there was that there was a full audience so it was like you actually got real laughs and like it wasn't just like you know we could show him that it is funny whether you know right and then um i can't believe you didn't get it well and then i went and did it again and basically had to do a couple different things had to do some impressions, which I don't really do, but I kind of, you know,

I did Maggie Smith. Oh, yeah. And I did one of the psychologists from Hoarders. You know, it's kind of random. But, and then I did a couple of the bits that I'd done before again. And, yeah, I mean, it was so exciting. I mean, I was so happy to be able to.

Was it hard in the studio? I didn't think I did as great as I could have done. I think I was really nervous. And then did you meet Lauren? No. You didn't even get to meet her? No. What the fuck happened?

Yeah. What happened, Lauren? I don't know. I mean, it wasn't, it wasn't, I felt like fine about it. You know, I didn't like leave being like, I suck. But I just was like, I don't know. And it was such a weird time for me because I was kind of i had done a sitcom and i was hoping we'd get a second season but didn't seem like it was going to happen but because of the hold like i had to

wait till that anyway and they like that i'm not saying the hold is why i didn't get it i didn't get it because like they didn't want me to have it but like at the same time it was like there was this weird thing where it was like but i might still get this other thing which would be like way better for me actually in terms of like money. Yeah. I don't know, life. Better than SNL. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, like sitcoms pay way more than SNL. And you can live in Los Angeles. Yeah. And like keep my life going how I kind of thought it was going to go. Like I wanted SNL my whole life. So like I think my ego would really want to get it, you know? Yeah.

So you could quit after a season even. Sure. Do whatever you want. But it's like the idea of getting it is more important after you've wanted it your whole life than like doing it. Like I feel, or for me, that's what I was kind of, I had to realize because I was letting go of like a dream that I always had.

And so it was really hard to kind of go like, to actually ask myself, do I even want it? If they gave it to me, would I really want to do it? Of course I would do it, but would I really want to? It's so weird like i what i saw was like oh well like when you do snl then you like leave us and then you like do a sitcom but like i did a sitcom right you know i mean it's like i got to do that thing that's the interesting thing though that's a very mature thing uh to to sort of acknowledge that you spend your whole life moving towards this thing and then and then like for different reasons,

because you've had some experience, you realize like, well, maybe it's not the best thing. Well, you know, I hear about people. First of all,

like I still have the dream of like hosting it. Like I'd still love to like do something there. Like I, that'd be amazing. But you, when you hear people talk about it and all the things I've read, all the books I knew, like I knew it was like,

it's one of the hardest, most stressful jobs ever. ever you like don't sleep you're up all night doing these sketches like it's like it sounds like something that would break me in so many ways like it's like I don't know that that's actually I had gotten kind of accustomed to my little like multicam lifestyle of like and it's broken people before yeah and I mean you know it's that's scary to think of like kind of kind of going after this dream and then having it not be what you know it's that's scary to think of like kind of kind of going after this dream and then having it not be what you want it to be too sure and there was there's probably a 70 or 80 percent chance that you you saved your talent yeah i mean i don't know it's you never know what it is because you could like the the heartbreak possible oh yeah of yeah. Of being, you know, benched.

Oh, God. And that's so sad. Like, I mean, I've seen so many people that I think are incredible get that show and not get the opportunity to do a bunch of characters that you know they can do and that they're so funny. And it's just so crazy to watch that happen to someone or for someone who I know to be like an amazing talent to be let go so soon after being on. You're just like, that doesn't make any sense. That person's funnier than any of these people. I don't know them, but I'm saying that is a great person. They don't even get the opportunity.

And you have to jump through so many hoops to get it that you have proven yourself. Everyone has proven themselves to be very funny by getting on the show. But then they don't let you show it or something? No, yeah. It's a mystery and I've talked to Lauren about it. You know, it's just like the decisions are not based on,

you know, what you would think they would necessarily be based on. Right. And it doesn't, you know, it really comes down to some choices by a few people. Right. For the benefit of what they think is whatever. You know what I mean?

It's just the nature of show business. So, okay, so you come back after that and no second season at Chelsea. And you start doing Bang Bang at the beginning? I started doing Bang Bang like three years ago or so. Oh, okay. So it wasn't that long ago. Right.

It was like a year after that. And how did that come to happen? Scott, I perform in ASCAD at UCB and he came and did monologues there and then he that come to happen um scott i perform in ascat at ucb yeah he came and did monologues there and then he asked me to be on the podcast or whatever and that's where you really kind of took off right yeah but i didn't know anything about it at the time and i didn't really know like what i was supposed to do so it kind of was lucky that it that it worked but the freedom of audio enables you to maintain an illusion a lot longer than you would on stage. Yeah.

And you can live in a character a lot longer. I mean, because what's so fun about it is that you can create the way your physical, like the character's physicality is, and you don't have to do any of it. You can just talk about what you look like and what you're doing. And it's fun. And it's fun. And then you made your podcast? Yeah.

And so that was like- And the device of that's pretty clever. Yeah. The premise or whatever, whatever you call it, is like the guest is the And the device of that's pretty clever. Yeah, the premise or whatever you call it is the guest is the host and I'm the guest in character. So whoever I have come on the show will decide what the show is. They don't tell me anything in advance.

What determines the character that you do? They decide it. So they make up what my character's gonna be and they don't tell me until we start recording. And then they just kind of give me a name and label me and whatever. And we just talk for like an hour. And you've done,

it seems like I see your name associated with PFT a lot. Yeah, we do a lot of stuff together. I mean like through Comedy Bang Bang and my podcast. We do a lot of podcasting. Is he a great improviser? He is, he's so fun. I think he's like so awesome. And he's somebody who I like had seen on TV.

Like I remember seeing like a special special of his a million years ago. The one where he talks about drinking? I don't remember what it was. Because I watched all the Comedy Central specials. Jesus, you just watched television. Oh, nonstop. So I'd seen every special and I remember him. And then meeting him was so cool.

And then he's so funny and nice and warm how did orange is the new black happen that was just came through like a regular audition i like self-taped at home and sent it they were casting in new york and um i got an audition to audition what did you do like two seasons i did two seasons yeah to be like a correctional officer which i thought would like never happen like i was just like was that the first relatively serious acting thing you did yeah i think so and it was so interesting because there were no like netflix shows at the time so like i thought it was like a web series like what is this like but cool like i want to work so whatever i'll go do whatever and then you find out that it's like so awesome but even just like the

kind of figuring out the tone of it as i was shooting it was interesting because it's not you know i i think i'm sure, you know, like every year they kind of waffled between like putting themselves in the drama or comedy category. Right. Award shows. Right. So it's like,

it really is like one of those shows where you don't know what it is. And like my character, like I'd be doing something that I thought was like very serious. And then they'd be like, that was so funny. I'd be like, well, then I just don't know anything.

Like, I don't know what's going on, but it was, you know, you commit. Yeah. Committed. And I think me just

trying to be a correctional officer is funny because it's like sure it's against type no fucking yeah right right I'm not tough yeah at all but yeah and and this uh the the um the Jurassic Park role that everybody talks about is this monumental thing yeah I mean Jurassic World yeah it was huge I mean. Jurassic World, right? Yeah, it was huge. I mean, to be able to be in that was amazing. Right, but the fact that you were improvising with Jake, right? Yeah, yeah.

And that it made the cut. Yeah, yeah. That was like, it was kind of, we shot it both ways. Because you were sort of in the movie for comic relief, right? Yeah, we're kind of those people, like hold on to your butts people or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's like, and his character even is more of the comic relief even than mine but um by the end like we were

supposed to kiss in the script like that was the whole thing and then uh bryce dallas howard and chris pratt's characters kissed kind of like that was like improvised as well like their kiss so like that kind of made our kiss not funny anymore like it was supposed to be like kind of funny that these two losers would kiss at the end and then it's like well that's So like that kind of made our kiss not funny anymore. Like it was supposed to be like kind of funny that these two losers would kiss at the end. And then it's like, well, that's not really that good. So then we shot it that way.

And then we shot it, which I still thought was good. Like I still thought it'd be cool if like, cause you never see the underdog characters get that moment, like the kind of hero moment. But, um, then we shot it with like kind of the improv of me throwing them down.

And that was really fun. And obviously way funnier. So way better. And who directed that? Colin Trev so like in and like it seems like a rare thing that you improvise as much as you did on that budget of a movie and then have it happen it's pretty astounding well he's so cool because he kind of has like an indie background like he had done like a few indie movies before this this was a big thing for him But he let us play like it was an indie. It was just like with everything.

We improvised small talk before every scene that you see that didn't make it in. That is just like, who allows you to do that when you're shooting this huge movie? Where the important thing is all of the dinosaurs and Bryce coming in and being freaked out or whatever. That's obviously more important. Right. Yeah. That's great. You lucked out. Yeah. It was that's obviously more important. Right. Yeah. That's great. Yeah. So you lucked out.

Yeah. It was, it was so amazing. And people remember that. Yeah. Well, cause that boyfriend, like I have a boyfriend,

like that was like, it was a big enough moment that people remember it. So it's cool. Yeah. Good for you. Thanks. I'm so proud of you. Oh,

now you like me. That's good. I did never not like you. And we're both on animals. Yes. On HBO, which people seem to like. I love doing that show.

Did you have fun doing that? Yeah, I didn't know what it was because Duplass, Mark called me. He's like, yeah, you go do this thing. And I'm like, okay. So I get a house. Yeah, same. Yeah, so you just go to this house where it looked like four guys are living there.

Yes. And you record this thing. It's like, is this really a thing? Like in someone's bedroom. It was so weird. Well, and those two guys, Mike and Phil, I didn't even know it was a Duplass thing until like later. Like I just got like in someone's bedroom it was so weird well and those two guys Mike and Phil I didn't even know it was a Duplass thing

until like later like they I just got like for me it was like oh you can like do this voiceover thing I'm like cool like free voiceover work

like I like always like to do that so then it the fact that it like turned into like something so cool and they're just so talented like the

the way that they animated is so awesome like yeah it looks cool getting to improvise with it is great and fair and um okay so what so what people can the way that they animated it is so awesome. Yeah, it looks cool. And getting to improvise with it is great. Yeah. And fair. And, okay, so what people can see,

well, I think we talked about everything that people can see you in. Yeah, well, I'm going to be on a new show on HBO called Crashing. That's Pete Holmes' show. Oh, where he sleeps at different comics houses? Yeah, I play his wife who leaves him. For the minister?

No, it's for like a hippie dude. Oh, not the real story. Yeah, i didn't know there was a minister i knew it was based on his real real life but i know she left him for a minister i think so i think they were both interesting yeah that's awesome and have you shot that already we shot the pilot and then i'm doing a few more episodes it's oh so fun judd apatow directed it that was like a dream of mine to work with him so he's a nice guy he lets you let's you do what you do well you know i think he was so cool is that he like he's somebody who's so interested in comedy like no matter he's had all this amazing success and stuff but he still wants to know about all the other stuff he listened to my podcast i'm like the fact that you would listen to that like blows my mind like i i just was like i thought that was so nice

yeah no he's very well he's a producer. Yeah. So he certainly wants to be on the pulse. But like, it just feels like so many people can get away with not doing that. Like that it's like, oh, if you,

he just seems like a real comedy fan. Like he wants to know. He makes big movies. But I know it might seem, it might sound so obvious, but like, I just feel like

that's not true of so many people. Well, you think, well, I think your assumption is that these people live in a different world and they're not as accessible as he is.

Yes. And like, where does he get the time? Like, yeah, he's going to listen to my dumb thing. Like, that's so cool. Like, that's a nice person. He's not doing stand up again. It's crazy. Yeah.

Shouldn't you be running the entire comedy industry in Hollywood? Right. I got to see him at Carnegie Hall when we were shooting the pilot. And he was so great. And what I thought was so awesome is that he incorporates so much of his real life into the stand-up, like talking about being famous and stuff like that. I think people don't really touch on that. Like once you're a comedian, you've gotten famous. Right.

You don't mention that. Right. But it is a weird and interesting part of it. He used to be a stand-up. And then he sort of stopped before he got very good or big at it. And now he's like started back up again. Yeah. And he's just, it is kind of interesting that he's just taught, he has to.

Right. Because that's what you want. Because no one knows him as again. Yeah. And he's just, it is kind of interesting that he's just taught, he has to. Right. Because no one knows him as that. Yeah. I mean, like, because if he's not, like, he's really got to show his chops as a stand-up because people are like, Judd Apatow's not a stand-up. Right. He makes movies. Right.

Because they don't know the history. Right. Yeah. Well, I'm happy that, you know, that things are working out for you. Thank you. And that you've branched out from peanut butter sandwiches and that your your divorce wasn't so awful and that you're gonna go on tour and that you're doing funny things you seem like a a decent person thanks i'll say the same about you you seem you seem cool oh yeah yeah yeah so we did all right yeah i like you oh thank god that's all

this was about yeah there was a note in my email to like judge you at the end. Yeah. Oh, really? Be sure not to let them off too easy. Oh, the other question I was like, I was wondering, like when you do improv, when you improvise, what have you ever been sort of like, because when you think of the stripper with the dead eyes dancing to sad songs, I mean, that that whole conceit is very funny and painful and weird and rides a line. But like the difference between doing a character that is supposedly has an emotional depth, like, you know, like the difference between these people that would do character driven shows that were heavy.

Yeah. Vers versus comedic. Have you ever been sort of challenged to explore the depth of these sort of comedic characters? Well, I do think that most of my characters are really sad inside, and they're wounded people. Right. And that's what I'm attracted to. Right. And I think what's so great about... But is the backstory impulsiveulsive or do you know it?

Oh, what do you mean? Like of a character? Like, do you have like a sense like an actor would have a certain type of actor, like where they come from? Oh, yeah. I mean, I don't really think I don't like consciously think about that. Right. But when you're doing a character really intensely and specifically, you know everything they would say to anything that comes at them so that's kind of what that is to me like just the automatic what this person would say to that is like tells that story of where they came but like if i if i were to ask

like that pizza lady like you know the character that likes pizza oh yeah big sue big sue like if i were to ask her like um what was her relationship with her father? Like, it's not good. I haven't talked to him in a long time. It's not good. I do not know his name. I call him daddy,

but he's just not respond. It's like, you just, you just know. Right. So it's instinctual. Yeah. And you,

you know, and you sort of, yeah. Okay. That makes sense. Yeah. I've done some improvising and, you know, you have to draw from your own experience with people and the tone of that personality because you kind of know them, right?

Right. Well, I think with improv, like when you walk on stage with a scene partner, you're getting everything from the way they look at you. I mean, it's like, you know, it's a little bit of like a hippy dippy thing when you say it out loud, but like, I don't need you to explain everything. I go like, oh, he's thinking something kind of sad or he's like this or that and so you kind of like immediately make judgments about the person so that you can move the scene along right so i think when you're doing character work it's like you have to just decide those things immediately or like you're wasting

everyone's time right right you just have to know it yeah yeah and that just comes from experience yeah and i mean i've been doing improv so long now that it's like you that is it become it is experience right when people when you're starting like i think my characters were very shallow when i was starting right but it's just because i'm like i'm just trying to say something like i'm just trying to talk and right and be funny nervous yeah yeah and then but at a certain point you get past that yeah because they all the ones i've seen the three or four you know they immediately sort of you know have a depth and you identify their sadness immediately. Do you know Daniel Klaus?

Do you know the cartoonist? Oh, no, I don't know. Yeah, you might. Like Ghost World was based on his comics. Oh, cool. I interviewed him about the characters and he said that how he usually finds these characters is that he'll look at people

and he'll see somebody's face. And if it's interesting to him, like, you know, what could that face? What is the life of that face? Like, you know, what you feel in that moment when you just, you know, you kind of lock into somebody on the street. Yeah. That seems to have something. Yeah. Usually a sadness or whatever.

And he would just base these characters on that first sort of taking in of somebody yeah and like interesting yeah and now I'm like looking at people's faces and the ones that really are heavy or like you know seem to have like you know it's like how does that fit in the world yeah and then that's where he goes with the story and I have to you know whatever feelings he gets from that person's being in that like maybe even a five second interaction yeah and i imagine improvs like that yeah and i think i get inspired by people that i see like a lot of the things you'll see in my special or whatever are like based on real people that i've met or seen oh yeah like it's fun to i mean like i just am really excited when i see

someone who's like weird and are you like do you like Yeah. Oh, she's great. She's really good at that. Yeah. She has such nuance to her face. And her eyes tell a story. And she's very sensitive to sadness. Yeah. Oh, yeah. You can see the pain, the empathy.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Who else do you like? Amy Sedaris is my favorite person. Wow. Yeah. And she's so good, right? She's amazing amazing it's like

something from another realm well and she like I am fascinated by their family like I read a lot of David Sedaris stuff and like I love when he talks about her or his other siblings yeah he's been in here oh really wait oh I didn't know that oh that's cool I'll listen to that he's very he was very nice to me yeah and he's very

interesting yeah he's you know he's a very funny guy. Oh my god, I love him. I'll download that. I'm going on a trip. Yeah, have Scott set you up with the Howl FM thing. Oh, look, I have that. I have to publicize it all the time on my podcast. Oh, you do? Well, yeah,

the Sedaris one's on there. It's on Howl. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's great. And Molly is too. Did you listen to Molly? Yes, I did listen to that one. I love that. That story was so sad. I know her know her life oh my gosh i was blown away by that one and jenny slates i also really loved her episode yeah her snl story i like her it's hard for me too it's like it's so good it was and then i talked to michaela watkins yeah who like jenny like that was who replaced her oh right so there were these two wow so for her that's a totally different experience exactly opportunity out of nowhere probably because it was kind of mid-season well you're right well you know michaela said there's that feeling where you know who yeah your boyfriend's

dating now kind of right right right yeah that's shitty that must feel it was pretty intense that's cool so you don't have to deal with any of that because you didn't get it. Yeah. Cool. Yeah. See, that's a, that's a bright side. Yeah, it sure is. Yeah. And like, I love Amy Poehler, obviously.

That's somebody who I think is amazing. She's just so funny. But you're sort of fascinated with the Sedaris bunch. But the Sedaris family, like, yeah,

and like the way that they tell a story, like, I mean, he, of course, obviously he's an amazing writer and he's, he makes everything so funny, but her,

and the, I just think it's so interesting to have these kind of different artists come out of the same family and the way that they express themselves. Well, yeah, and then there's two other siblings that- You just never hear about it.

Oh, you hear about them, but they're not public personnel. It's like Gretchen. I just know her name, but I don't really know anything about her. But you know the other guy, what's his name? Rooster or whatever that-

Oh, I don't really remember much about the brother. The Southern one? The one that's sort of like- Oh, yeah. But I don't feel like I retain much. I'm always looking for Amy's name and things. Oh, right, right, right. She's even much less. No, the other brother's oh yeah yeah but i don't feel like i retain much i'm always like looking for amy's name and oh right right right no the other brother is very funny character all right well listen to that on the road i'm sure scott will be thrilled to listen to that in the car i'm sure there's nothing he likes more than to have mark maron podcast pumped

in at all times i want to make him share a headphone splitter with me and we'll just listen to you non-stop put it right in the car who's gonna be in the car paul too paul yeah i don't even yeah oh yeah paul and scott would just they would jump at the opportunity to listen to as many wts oh yeah that's i'm gonna make it happen it'll be so great no i'll make them listen to our own episodes of comedy bang bang that'll be so there you go all right we'll have fun. Thanks. Thanks for talking. Yeah, man. Lauren Lapkus. She's a very well-adjusted comedic entertainer.

And, you know, sometimes she'll submerge into the character and it's a little disconcerting in a good way. Go to WTFpod.com slash tour for my tour dates. Go to WTFpod.com slash merch for the merch. Go do whatever you got to do, right? Oh, man. I feel good. That's not a question. Thank you. boomer list Boomer lives. It's a night for the whole family.

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