WTF with Marc Maron Podcast - Episode 955 - Anna Faris

Episode Date: October 1, 2018

Anna Faris had Marc on her podcast once. They both agree it got a little weird. They try to navigate that weirdness in the garage for Round Two, while also discussing Anna's painful insecurity as a teen, the great advice she got from Keenen Ivory Wayans, her breakout movie roles, the reasons actresses have it tough if they want to be honest, why she became clickbait fodder, and why she loves her co-star Allison Janney so much. Marc and Anna also make podcast history with an interlude from an unexpected location. This episode is sponsored by ZipRecruiter. Sign up here for WTF+ to get the full show archives and weekly bonus material! https://plus.acast.com/s/wtf-with-marc-maron-podcast. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Alright, let's do this. How are you, what the fuckers? What the fucking ears? What the fucksters? What the fuckadelics? What the fuck publicans? What the fuckocrats, whatever. How's it going? I'm Mark Maron.

This is my podcast, WTF. Welcome to it. I hope you had a relatively decent weekend. I hope you could find some space to have some of your own time and thoughts without the horror, the unfolding horror. I'm not saying to have been able to distract yourself, per se, but just to sort of acknowledge who you are, where you are, what you can do. Acknowledge who you are, where you are, what you can do. I had an email, a very brief email exchange with my father. I just said, I said to him, I emailed my father and said, we're coming out for Christmas.

You guys going to be around. Love, Mark. He emails back. As of now, we're here at Christmasmas time so a visit then is good but big families have unexpected problems so we will hope for health love dad now that's not an irrational thought and that you know he's talking i think primarily about his wife's family because ours isn't that big but but it's not you know it's a completely reasonable thought to have as an aging person. My father's going to be 80 next month, but do you have to pre-plan? Do you have to sort of make room right now for something that hasn't happened but might happen that is tragic and awful?

I guess maybe I'm wrong. Maybe that is the most practical approach to life hey man sure i'd like to make something concrete we can put it down but uh you know the world could be over soon and i'm exactly like that but is it irrational to be that way i don't know it comes down to being in the present in this moment what can i do am i doing enough have i done something and can i enjoy this plate of eggs and then do what i gotta do it's it's tough so today's show anna ferris is here now i don't really know her that well but i actually don't really know her at all, but I did her show. She asked me to be on her podcast, Unqualified. And right away, there was an odd chemistry.

I'm not exactly sure what it was, but I think that you can feel it. In this episode, it's sort of, on this show, I like her a lot. I think she's a great comic actress. She's a fun person. I like talking to her, but there is a lot. I think she's a great comic actress. She's a fun person. I like talking to her, but there is a dynamic. It's sort of, I'm trying to think, it's simultaneously guarded but boundaryless. And I think after talking to her, I realized something about myself, that boundarylessness, having no personal boundaries, when you're going out with it when you're sort of you know breaking other people's boundaries just because

it's your nature or when people come at you and you don't really have any boundaries both of those may be sort of a a strangely defensive action I I don't I can't really quite explain it I'm not saying it's a good thing psychologically but the dynamic between me and anna is uh is interesting to me and it was kind of fun so enjoy that coming up soon another thing i wanted to mention was that uh i talked with this director his name is ronaldo marcus green i met him a year or so ago in new york he had directed a short film called Stop that I saw, and it was a pretty moving and beautifully shot story. You know, it's racially charged in terms of what it is dealing with and what it's confronting, but very subtle and very poetic. He's quite a gifted director. And I talked to him,

and you'll get to hear that episode in a little while, but I did want to mention that he has a new movie in theaters now called Monsters and Men. And I watched a screener of it. I believe it's out. It's out now. And not unlike Daveed Diggs' Blindspotting,

it sort of confronts the racial reality, African-American reality, the reality of the other in a very compelling, poetic and realistic way. He calls it a triptych where you're really following three characters around a recorded shooting by the police of an unarmed black man. shooting by the police of an unarmed black man. And it is not preachy. It is not sappy. It doesn't end with any sort of idea or attempt at solving anything. But as a piece of cinema, as a film, it is stunning in its storytelling

and its poetry and the way it's shot. I highly recommend that you check it out. It's called Monsters and Men, and look forward to my talk with Ronaldo. It's his first feature, so he was pretty lit up, and it was a great conversation. We just couldn't get it up in time for the release. And I do want to also say that I think you can still get tickets for my Dynasty Typewriter gigs. These are small. It's a small theater here in LA.

It's down in Koreatown, I believe. October 4th, I will be there. 8 o'clock p.m. and October 6th, I'll be doing a 10 o'clock show. You can get tickets at WTFpod.com. Working out some stuff. So come down if you're in town and you'd like to do that okay great so a couple of updates uh i don't want to leave you hanging like i thought my nail would be by now if you have been listening regularly i don't know if i'm going to lose the

nail i do know my finger is still a bit purple, but the nail hasn't completely turned black and it feels like it might be reattaching itself a bit, but maybe I'm living a dream. Also, I guess I'll give you a little summary of what I did this weekend because it was kind of exciting. I hosted the Silver Lake Conservatory of Music's benefit again. This is the second year in a row that I've done that. Flea of the Red Hot Chili Peppers kind of was in a pinch last year, and he thought of me, and I was going anyways. Because if you recall, this is one of those stories where it's sort of like, yes, I'm hanging out with interesting people who I respect a great deal.

Last year, I was invited by Randy Newman to hang out at his table with his family, my girlfriend, Sarah the Painter, Sarah Kane. But this year, Flea just asked me back, and he gave me enough of a heads-up to do it. It's not an easy gig, but it is what it is. It's an art auction. You host a benefit. There's a lot of rich music-related people there, not artists per se, but people within the business. And last night was kind of an amazing night.

They did a great tribute to Mo Austin, who was the head of Warner Brothers Records and was the guy that championed just, you can't even believe the catalog of musicians. So he was there and he spoke about the importance of music education. Lindsey Buckingham performed. And if you get a chance to see that, you should. What an intense performer. And just him and his guitar was astounding. I'm actually going to be talking to him at some point. Hopefully that works out.

KD Lang also did a set. Astounding. Astounding voice. It was just an amazing, amazing amazing night saw my old friend steve but the high point and again maybe you're getting tired of this already like you know my little stories with famous people but um but this was sort of unexpected and kind of amazing uh because i didn't even notice this guy was there and i was talking to a sculptor uh with sarah and then uh someone sees me who's facing me and the guy she's talking to has his back to me and he's got a hat on a

little cap and she goes that's mark maron's behind you and then this guy turns around and goes holy shit mark maron and he's just all excited and it took me like four seconds to realize it was brad pitt and he was like oh my god i can't believe i'm meeting you you know he just lit up about it and uh and he goes i love your show i love your show and i'm like glow he goes no no marin i've watched it i've watched the entire series twice and i rarely get that you know marin is sort of an acquired taste it's a little off the radar it's a marginal project it seems because I did it at IFC you can now see it on Netflix but in the U.S. you can get all four seasons it seems in the U.K. and maybe Canada you can only get three I don't I tried to fix that I don't know what to tell you but but Brad Pitt was exciting he was talking about

the arc of the show and how it started off, you know, finding its footing. And then it got going. Then, you know, season three and four. Holy shit. He was naming scenes. And I just couldn't fucking believe it. Look, look, he's just a guy, but it is Brad Pitt. I happen to be a big fan of his. I think he's a great actor.

I really do. And but I like to see him be the excited one was sort of, I don't know. It was nice. It was nice. It was nice. Yeah, I tried to, I asked him if he would come on here. And he said he's not a very good interview. But then he said, but you can try. You can try.

So maybe that'll happen. Outside of that, I do think the message of last night or two nights ago of doing this thing is you see these kids that, you know, Flea set up this amazing place, the Silver Lake Music Conservatory for kids of all, you know, symphony instruments like you know trumpets and violins and cellos and and they have this whole school there because you know he when he was in high school music changed his life the music program at fairfax high and when uh the la public schools started cutting the music education it was just sort of his sort of secret agenda in his heart once the chili peppers became huge you know to to to make make it available and it is important if i hadn't taken guitar i don't know what would have and i didn't take it in school but i don't know what my life would have been like because it's a it's a very

important thing not so much as a job or an occupation but just to appreciate it and to have that ability to express yourself on any kind of musical instrument, even if you're not good at it, is a fucking amazingly heart-soaring activity. But go check it out if you want Silver Lake Conservatory of Music. I'm sure they could always use donations. There's so many things to donate to to try to keep this a reasonable world. Huh? Right?

All right. So right now, Anna Faris is on the show Mom, which is back for its sixth season. Thursday nights on CBS. And also you can listen to her podcast. Anna Faris is unqualified wherever you get podcasts. This is me and the inimitable, is that the word? Ana Faris. Hi, it's Terry O'Reilly, host of Under the Influence. Recently, we created an episode on cannabis marketing.

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Zensurance. Mind your business. And I just had this air put on. I got to turn it off. Can I talk to you about the light, though? What do you want? I sort of want it a little bit more dim. What are you, out of your mind? Yeah, I am out of my mind. But no, truly, that is a bright light.

And I just came from work. I'm sweaty. Do you want me to, we're going to be in the dark. Is that all right with you? Yeah, let's be in the dark. Mark Maron and Anna Faris in the dark. It's our new podcast, Mark. What happened?

Did it go off? No. How about now? Oh. I can't, oh, that's great. It's only half dark. But wait, you didn't, you weren't like chomping on my idea. Which idea?

It was Marc Maron and Anna Faris. I'd let you get top billing in the dark. No, I'm into it. I'm into it. I think that like when I- Still fleshing out the concept. No, I like the concept. Is this dark enough?

Or I think it would have to be darker. This is great. Thank you. No, but if we do the podcast, we have to not be able to see each other. Are you cutting all of this out? What do you mean? I don't know. I have gum in.

I just had gum in, and oddly, I was thinking like, oh, Mark is going to judge me for having gum in my mouth. Why would I judge you? I mean, I met you once. And I adore you, but you can at times be a little bit judgmental. I don't have any bad judgments. Listen, opinions are good. We didn't really know each other, and we had some boundary issues, I think, you and I. I think so, too.

Like, we have none. That's really interesting. We have none. Wait, wait, wait. Back it up. What do you mean? It's just like, there are certain people that you meet in life where it's just kind of like, uh-oh,'re uh already know each

other for 10 years how did that happen like i just felt like there was a sort of like we were both our boundaries weren't holding up well do you think that that's do you know what i'm talking about yes i do but i we were both kind of like positive thing no there's nothing wrong with it no but it was like uh it was all you know it's almost like there was a familiarity that wasn't earned, but that was there anyways. Yes, I agree with you, but sort of. But don't you think that there is a moment with people who, with celebrities that you interview and you talk with, that they don't, that they sort of finally kind of clue in into sort of the intimacy and they embrace it as opposed to being on the defense? Well, I don't think anyone's on the defense but i think there are people that well i'm just even by saying that no but i i mean like it's occasionally people come in usually people come in here and they know what's up you know what i mean they know we're going to sit here

for an hour they've listened to at least one in preparation i don't get that gift. Yeah. So what usually happens is the trickiest part of it is the public narrative part of it. Right. Is that, you know, are you going to get around that? Like actors are different than writers and they're different than directors. So actors kind of, especially if they have some visibility, they know how to make themselves available in a controlled way. Okay. I didn't feel that with us.

I felt like it was bordering on chaos. I just felt like, is she going to be all right? Who's going to come unglued here first? Are we going to have to pause? Because I think she's going to cry and I didn't even do anything. Cry? I just, I was going to, oh God. What?

So I have categories when I podcast. Are you going to tell me about your podcast? This is how you structure it? Yeah, yeah. Why? So I have categories when I podcast. Are you going to tell me about your podcast? This is how you structure it? Yeah, yeah. Why did you start it? Because I wanted to talk to you. Well, I want to talk to you about that, but I want to talk to you about. Are we doing my show?

Whose show are we doing? We're doing. This is a takeover. This is in the dark. This isn't a WTF. This is the first, the pilot show. Pilot of In the Dark with Anna Faris and Marc Maron. Okay.

But wait, as the original brilliant podcaster, Marc. Well, okay. Yes. I'll take it. Yes. Please do. Yeah. Do you, can you sort of categorize when, like in terms of, you know, when you have a stand-up

on. Yeah. Or when you have a director on. Right. Or when you have a stand-up on or when you have a director on or when you have an actor versus a female actor. Can I tell the difference? Yes. Can you anticipate at this point? Do you know what I'm saying, though?

Sure. What defenses you can anticipate? Well, I still, like, the other day, for instance, I had Slash come in, and he's very accustomed to people trying to get Guns N' Roses dirt. I had noash come in. And he's very accustomed to people trying to get Guns N' Roses dirt. I had no interest in it. So when he realized that within the first few minutes,

he was like, oh, we're going to talk about guitars? Great. And then all the defenses went away. Generally, people are relatively upfront. I can tell when people are guarded if they're expecting to answer questions. Like if they don't know enough about the show or they are incapable of engaging in conversation,

that's going to be a long haul for me. I'll do it, but that's usually one way and it doesn't happen too often that I don't know if it's defensive or a lack of familiarity with what I do. But if they're sitting there waiting for me to ask them questions in a way that's like an interview, it's going

to be problematic. Yeah. But, you know, comics I have a shorthand with because I know, you know, generally the spectrum of emotional, you know, like I feel like you and I, like I don't feel much distance, you know, between you and I, whatever. However, you know, mysterious or defensive you may be i have a sense i have a sense of emotional connection with you because i i'm not sure why maybe we'll find out but i like that thanks mark what what do you like which part you have a connection with me and i like that it's sort of but have

you played me is that what's happening i i do think that sort of the combination of people who start podcasts are both egotistical and curious and it's a wonderful combination and you have a bandage on your finger no it's gonna it's it's it's before podcasting really what do you mean well whatever it was it wasn't it wasn't relative to podcasting it may be relative i'm just saying funny person common we had it in common but you had it in common. It's like narcissism. I got to the house that wasn't yours. And right away- You were worried about me,

which I guess is a sign of empathy? Yeah, yeah. Well, it was sort of like- Which is rare for you. I'd work on it. It doesn't come naturally, but I've learned it. How? By listening.

Oh, okay. And by doing it on purpose. have it like you know i think you naturally have empathy but somehow or another because of whatever you've gone through as a person or whatever your life is sometimes you shut it out because it might be too much for you if you're too sensitive a person you know they're called boundaries and detaching with a certain amount of concern but uh but i always was empathetic but i don't and then you lost it i didn't lose it i think at some point like i i enmesh too much with people yeah and then like the empathy becomes problematic because you you stop kind of living

your own trip and you know you're constantly worried about them which is sort of a reflection on you it's complicated are you empathetic well yes i, yes, I hope so. I hope so. But I feel like that's also a thing that a narcissist... What are you all wrapped up with this narcissism idea for? Has someone called you a narcissist? Oh, I just fundamentally feel it. You do? Yeah, kind of. Yeah. But I think maybe that's a good sign. Do you go to therapy? No, I come here to your house.

You've never gone to therapy in your life? Oh, God. Yes. Yeah, I have. And it was, I went a couple of times and it was sort of traumatic. Traumatic? Yeah. The therapist or what came up?

It shouldn't be a traumatic. You shouldn't leave therapy going like that person is dangerous. Well, I don't know. leave therapy going like that that person is dangerous well i don't know so i came from a family where therapy was viewed as um an indication of severe mental illness what are you talking about i think what i know and it wasn't until i moved to la the people are like no why did i ever move everyone's mentally ill here yeah but i mean where'd you grow up i grew up in edmonds washington i was born in baltimore and grew up in Edmonds, Washington. I was born in Baltimore and grew up in Edmonds. Edmonds? Edmonds, Washington.

Where's that? Just north of Seattle. Oh, so up in the gray place. Yes. Yep. Place of gloom and doom. What do you want me to just read your biography to you? What do you mean you don't think I do my research?

I want to hear it from your mouth. Yeah. So what am I getting? Is this how you would conduct an interview? Like, so you grew up in Edmonds, Washington. Now, what is that about? I read that on interview? So you grew up in Edmonds, Washington. Now, what is that about? I read that on the internet that you grew up in Edmonds, Washington. So we don't need to even ask that question.

Do you know what we were? Our high school mascot? No. The Rainbow Warriors. Really? Yep. Was that a progressive thing? This is kind of a boring story.

No. It was because two high schools combined because we didn't have the school district have enough money. Right. It was boring. Yeah, I know. So Edmonds. but you moved to. Yeah, anyway. Yeah, I went to University of Washington, then moved to LA.

Hold on a minute. Yeah, what? What we're talking about here. You still haven't told me about the bandage on your finger. This happened this morning and this was traumatic. I know. Are you okay? I don't know if I'm okay.

I think I'm going to lose the nail. But that's funny. And you have empathy okay I think I'm gonna lose the nail but that's funny and you have empathy I think I'm gonna lose I just think that it's one of those things what that everyone is gonna look at like when you're at Ralph's or you know at CVS they're gonna notice the nail but not say anything what do you lose it afterwards when my nail turns black I've never lost a nail before have you ever smashed your finger and lost a nail no okay so where are you coming from with this you're just mocking me you're saying that eventually when your nail looks all festery and gross that people are going to be staring at it and not going to be able to see me for who i am so my my question really is about what kind of like who, who were your parents?

What did they do that they would, you know, put some sort of wall up around therapy? Was it a public standing thing or a principal thing? No, I think it was just something that I grew up in a community where that wasn't really done. What community? What did your dad do? My dad's a professor. Of what? Sociology.

And he doesn't believe in therapy? No. And what about Of what? Sociology. And he doesn't believe in therapy? No. And what about your mom? It's not that he doesn't believe in it. No. My mom worked at my elementary school for a while, but she was a stay-at-home mom. She taught? No.

Well, essentially she did. She taught English as a second language. These seem like progressive people. They are. And they didn't know you had a problem early on? Fuck you. Mark Maron. Fuck you. Of course they knew. Don't you underestimate my parents.

They couldn't see it early on? They were like, bye, go to LA. See you later. Well, you have siblings? I have an older brother who's also a sociologist. A sociologist? He is the fourth generation sociologist. Like, apparently the world's only fourth generation sociologist.

I'm very proud of this. So, but they just teach it to people and it becomes part of an education in a broader education towards something else? Yeah. Or is there a job for a sociologist? We are in professions where we are fascinated by our own selves, right? So that's why we're in the entertainment industry, because we cannot get enough of our own stories, our own whatever. Really?

Yeah. What the fuck? That's what we're doing. I tend to believe that people like to talk if you give them the opportunity. Yes. And I think that outside of people that are doing something selfless and important, most people will yammer on about themselves if you indulge them. And we like to see stories about each other. I mean, we're fascinated by our own selves. I can't think of, I don't know.

Are you hosting a documentary of some kind right now? Yeah. I know. The you hosting a documentary of some kind right now? Yeah. I know. The cameras are right behind me. And now it cuts to me talking about something. We're fascinated by our own selves. Example. It's a sociology study.

But isn't that the thing about comedy, though? And you know this better than anybody, that sort of the theory behind comedy is that it's like familiarity. You're getting bored. No. What do you mean? Is it like when somebody says it's like familiarity. You're getting bored. No. What do you mean? The theory behind comedy. Is it like when somebody says, uh-huh, they're getting bored. I'm losing you.

I'm losing you. No, I'm listening to you. I'm just trying to like. Stay with me, Mark. I'm right with you. Familiarity how? Well, when you make sort of an obscure observation on something that isn't necessarily commented on frequently, it bonds an audience.

Well, no, I see that. But that's just the material. What makes somebody want to be funny? I don't think it's a familiarity. I think it's a need for connection. No, a need for connection of some kind. I think that there's something very rewarding about making someone laugh. Of course.

there's something very rewarding about making someone laugh. Of course. So when did you start knowing that you had this need to entertain people and make people laugh? Was it very young? So your parents, they didn't send you to therapy. They were like, maybe we should guide her somehow with her creativity. Should we call my parents? Yeah.

I wish you want me to hook up the thing. No, I don't. call my parents yeah i wish you want me to hook up the thing no no i don't um no well i i i know this doesn't sound relevant but i was a really short kid short short i was like physically very short i was by far the shortest in my class it was like really for how long oh until i was maybe a junior and that's when you grew up? Yeah. And how did that affect? Your mom was what? My mom was always forcing me to drink milk, which, you know.

Do you think that did it? I do, in a weird way. Really? Sort of. I don't know. Listen, that's a boring conversation. Not really. Don't be so judgmental on yourself.

So what does short have to do with it? No, I have more interesting things to say because I'm not judgmental. Okay. Listen, I view myself in a very, very light really how long did that take when did that happen was that junior year two or maybe last year i can talk a big game all right um no but i uh and i was always a really quiet kid really yeah you probably i'm sure you a really quiet kid. Really? Yeah.

You probably. I'm sure you were a quiet kid. Yeah, but quiet because I was awkward. Yeah, me too. Yeah. I had gear. I had the kind of nipples that were sort of like no breast. Just like sort of.

I don't mean to be. What does that have to do with? Well, because I just always felt like an outsider. I wore a training bra that i did not need as like whatever anyway that's a whole listen this is that's just to get you used to the class yeah i can't get in this this is the fucking clickbait that i was driving over here and i was like what is going to be the clickbait that i say i put my foot in my mouth why do you think you're like like such a, like one of those people that they're always looking for clickbait for? Is it because of your relationship with your ex or because of you? Do you think they are?

What do you mean? I don't know if people are looking for clickbait for me. You brought it up. I know. And when I, if I Google you, there's like nine things. On my feed,

like, like, you know, your great interview with Kristen Bell, Am me lacuna's and it's like there's those splashy things yeah it's like well you know that and if i say something right now as an example it's harder for actresses man yeah it is thank you for saying that you know it's like i can't believe what they did with that yeah the kristen bell and the millicunas it was, they take things out of context. They don't listen to the whole thing.

I don't think they necessarily, well, I think that they did create a moral sort of dilemma there, the clickbaiters. I just, yeah, I think that my least favorite job would be a clickbait writer. Well, that's what they all do. And it's like, yeah, they're a little morally reprehensible. And a lot of times. But they're listening to your show yeah well i mean i just clickbait i think sometimes their editors do that too like that's just to probably to get people to the thing yeah but but you being short and socially awkward oh yeah um so anyway, I explored, I did dramatic theater. When you were a kid?

Yeah. How old? I started when I was nine. When I say that, it's annoying that it sounds impressive to me. Why? Does it sound impressive to you? Well, I mean, were you doing like Equus at nine? I mean, or Shakespeare at nine?

Well. Were you doing grown-up parts or nine-year-old parts? My first gig was an Arthur Miller play called Danger Memory at the Seattle Repertory Theater. Yeah. Who directed that? I can't remember. He was highly qualified, I'm sure. Yeah. And you played the kid?

I played the kid. That's right. Got 200 bucks. Yeah. Bought myself a piano phone. But anyway, so I was a quiet kid, but I did do theater outside of school, and that meant a lot to me. When did you first do it? Like, what was the feeling?

How did it get you out of yourself? I mean, like, why did you lock into it? If you were, were like socially awkward could you feel the transformation yeah another character you did i mean you must feel that way right i'm painfully stuck in my own character give or take i don't i'm not taking even even in my powerful acting roles it's not like it's a real uh you know like it's it's not a total departure it's just a a confinement a turning off of a few things. That's funny.

Like, I got a lot of things going on all the time, and when I have a character to play, even if it's me on stage, I'm like, I'll turn that off. I'll turn this off. This part's not necessary. And I'll just offer that part. Because for me, the escape was always through another character. I liked, I didn't, I wasn't great at, like, public speaking. Like, I went to my 20th reunion, and people remembered me as being a really quiet person in high school.

And that's how I felt. But my escape was through somebody else's words. Yeah. And somebody else's character. But comedy has been an odd journey for me, I think. Yeah. Well, you're very naturally funny. But like, I understand. Huh? I don't think you're an idiot. Thanks. I mean, I don. Yeah, well, you're very naturally funny, but like, I understand. I'm an idiot.

No, I don't think you're an idiot. Thanks. I mean, I don't really either. That's one of those narcissistic, like self-deprecating things. Yeah. I'm glad you're catching yourself and saying it as you do. Please, every time it happens, go like, oh, that was just me doing something. So you've chosen the large pencil. Oh, I really like it. Do other people? No, I've not seen anyone take the large pencil out of the lizard cup and started playing with it. Did you notice the lizard cup? Listeners, this is a really good pencil.

Oh, yeah. Love a lizard. Yeah. But, okay, so let's get back to this. Yeah. Isn't that interesting? I don't know if it's... Whatever.

To answer your question, though, I don't ever escape from myself really i mean i can do it when i play guitar but when i do stand-up it's can it's controlled in a way because i i know the parameters and this the skill set involved and it's it definitely but it's hyper present there's no escape you know and when i do like acting which i've done a little bit of i don't necessarily feel like i'm escaping but i do feel the comfort of not having to use my own words and that there's a you know i'm wearing different pants than i would not not that different but but but yeah what's like the most awkward wardrobe you've had to wear? A sock over my... Over your...

Yeah. My nakedness was the most awkward, I think. How did that make you feel? Exposed? Well, they took... It was my butt. They were just going for it. They got it.

They got my butt. I just felt like it was something I needed to do. Did they close the set? Wait, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to cut you off. You were about to say something interesting. Well, all the women on GLOW signed the release that they might have to do nudity. So I felt like I had to.

And I was just hoping it wouldn't be the front. Not that I just don't need that meme out there. So you're like fighting for women's rights by... Yeah, I was fighting for women's rights, but saying that I'd be more than happy to show my ass on camera. But if we could stay away from a dick, that'd be nice. happy to show my ass on camera but if we could stay away from a dick that'd be nice you know not not because i'm not proud of it but just because i don't need that meme out there for the rest of my life i i just do you have any memes out there that you wish you hadn't no no i just want to go back to um the not the caveat of not because you're not proud of it

well i don't want to sit here and go like you know oh my i don't really like my not because you're not proud of it. Well, I don't want to sit here and go like, you know, I don't really like my... Thank you at all. No, it's not. It's fine. No, I'm sure you must be proud of it. You know, it does the job. You know, it's good at doing both things it has to do. Sure.

You know, it's not unusually, you know, people don't look at it and go like, oh my God, how do you, how do you even manage that thing? It's like a solid 3.6. No. Oh, sorry. 3.8? Magna cum laude. Are we talking?

Listen, I don't know. What are we doing, morning radio? No, I don't know listen i don't know what are we doing morning radio no i don't know i don't know you started hey guys it's zing zang and the bing dong how do you measure it uh you know how do i even say we got anna ferris on the line right now we're talking flaccid versus hard yo what's up you're promoting mom. How you doing this morning? Pretty good. We were just talking about dick size over here. Oh, yeah. Oh, hey.

Hey, guys. Good morning. So, Anna, is there one that's too big? Is there one that's too big? Oh, well, that's a question that I ask my vagina all the time. That's so funny. You're so funny. I have all those shows and movies. Oh, thanks. Thanks funny. You're so funny on all those shows and movies.

Oh, thanks. Thanks. Yeah, yeah. So what are you doing in town? Oh, well, I'm promoting Mom, the show that I have on. Sure, that's that show where you play the screwed up girl. Yeah, I sure do. I sure do.

What's the mother's name? Well, Bonnie. No, no, the actress. Allison Janney. Oh, she wins awards. I like her. She was in the ice skating movie. Oh, yeah, she was great. She was great. She, no, the actress. Allison Janney. Oh, she wins awards. I like her. She was in the ice skating movie. Oh, yeah, she was great.

She was great. She was a lot of fun. Well, you're doing a great job on that. You've got a daughter on that. Do you have kids that age? Well, no, no, I don't. But, yeah, thanks, Nick. How old is your kid?

You've got a kid. I do, I do. He's six. Oh, how's Chris doing? Oh, he's great. Yeah, you and Chris friends? Oh, yeah. Oh, no, we're great.

Everything's great. You know, I just,? Oh, yeah. Oh, no, we're great. Everything's great. You know, I just, I, you know, I feel really good. Great talking to you. We've got to go to break. We're on with Anna Farrow. Bye, Zig. There you go. You were good at that.

Yeah. So that's it. Nice talking to you. Bye, Mark. So the acting thing goes from nine all the way through? Or did you have? Kind of. I quit when I was in college because I thought it was so unrealistic.

And what'd you study? English. And your brother's off doing sociology. Your dad's a sociology professor. Yeah. Your mom's at home telling you you don't need therapy. That's weak. But they were always really supportive.

My parents always... Were they conservative? I don't understand the no therapy thing. I understand the community thing. You don't want to get a reputation. And the therapist is probably your dad's friend. And there was only two to choose from. No, no, no.

But there wasn't any therapists. I mean, nobody. In Edmonds? Yeah. I mean, but there wasn't any, like, therapists in my, I mean, nobody. In Edmonds? Yeah, I mean, maybe there were, but I... Not that you need it, I'm just curious about it. No, I totally need it. Yeah, did you need it then? You're socially awkward. Probably, but maybe it wouldn't have gotten me to where I am.

Right, that's true. No, I get that. On the hit CBS show, Mom. Yeah, it's a good show. Thank you. I think it's a hard form, the three camera. Oh, it is, isn't it? Well, it's weird because I haven't watched them that much, but I recently watched something just by coincidence that Chuck Lorre had done with Alan Arkin and Michael Douglas, which

is not a three-camera. Kaminsky method. Which is written like Chuck Lorre writes. But my observation was, you know, everyone condescends a bit to three cameras, and it's often talked about, like, you know, are three cameras still, like, does that form even, even though there are a lot of them on,

and many of them are hugely popular, like your show, there is sort of this notion that it is a bit of a vaudeville you know it is a joke to joke vehicle right but i had this realization watching your show the other day what was it it was that for them to work the characters have to be very well defined and very well performed in order for the sort of emotional spectrum to really be effective, you know, as a viewer, for me to be moved or engaged. Because if you really look at the writing, it is like there are a lot of jokes in there. And that's a certain way of doing dialogue. I mean, it's a way we're all used to. But if it's not done perfectly, it could, you know, really land shitty.

It's so deceptively difficult. Right. No, and I think you do a great job. It's very funny, and I care about you. Thank you. And I understand your problems. Thank you. The character.

The character. I love doing it, and I love the people I work with, and it is deceptively difficult because, and this is the minutia of it, but because the volleying and the ping pong effect and truly the rhythm of the dialogue

is, see this is what I'm saying it's boring. It's not boring, would you just talk? Seriously. Now I'm going to have to take control. You have this cool knife You tried that already. Go ahead. Do you give a gift to every what yeah maybe maybe you'll get your gift not the knife i have my mugs i give people no i want the

knife no i have an amazing knife collection you do you have a knife collection i do why when did that start oh this is a good one it is where'd you get this what is it a buck no it's a it's probably aaw, and it's made in Japan. And I think this is a famous knife maker. Really? Who gave this to you? Let me see it. No.

How do you know that stuff? Because I have an amazing knife collection that I spent a weird amount of money on the first season of Mom. You just bought a knife collection off somebody? Yeah. Off of who? It was this guy that died and his daughter was... Was it Shelly Berman? Shelly Berman? They have all these amazing knives.

Shelly Berman, the comedian, had a lot of knives. Because I always thought if I were to, a weapon of choice. Yeah. Guns are tough for me. Yeah. But I always felt like a home invader. Right. A knife.

What would you use? Do you have them hidden all over the place? Kind of. You do? I sort of do. But I'm not a very paranoid person. I don't like to live in paranoia. See, I don't need therapy.

But you did buy a knife collection. Yeah. And you think that's a good one, that one? Yeah, this is an amazing one. Who gave this to you? Someone left it in my old apartment. What? A long time ago.

And I was just like, great. I feel like that you know who this someone is. I do. Sure. Let me see it. No. Oh. It was a woman who was subletting my apartment.

I knew it was a woman. No, she was subletting my apartment in New York. So, and she's a little bit crazy. No, I think it was her boyfriend or something. She wants this shit back, man. Why? I never. This is good.

It's got hefty. Have you not appreciated this? It's got some weight to it. Let me see. I'm hesitant to hand it over. Did the knife fascination start when you were younger or it's just new? No. I always like, because I was short, getting back to that, I was feisty.

Yeah. Have you done knife work? Have you trained? No. Oh. No. Should I? I should.

Maybe. I don't know. No, I don't know. What is knife work? What does that mean? Well, there's some skill set to all weaponry, I would imagine, that if you were going to get in. Have you ever done West Side Story?

That might... You know the dance where they throw the knife back and forth? Yeah. I can be a jet. We're going to do a female version. But don't they all have knives? Aren't they running around? I don't want to be Maria.

No. No, I want to be a jet or a shark. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. When you're a jet, a jet or a shark. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. When you're a jet, you are always a jet. But aren't they holding knives when they do that? From your first cigarette to your last dying day.

Yeah. So the knife collection. So you were short. I was an insecure. Yeah. Until, and I still am, but insecure I think until college maybe. And then I felt like I got to reinvent myself. As an English major? Does everyone like go through they everyone goes to that like when you start something

well you can sort of like try on did you have that well i think i was aspiring like i i would always look outside of myself for like you know how do i dress what should i like you know i didn't know like there was it was usually not stars anything, but it was like cooler kids in school. Like, I remember when I made the choice just to wear a Hanes pocket tee colored with a flannel shirt. Because Jay Feagan did that. And I thought, like, that's a pretty cool way to be. Just a flannel shirt and the t-shirt under it. Jeans.

Can I ask what year this was? Probably sophomore year of high school. Okay. And then at some point I shifted. I decided only button down shirts and perhaps a cap. And that was because of a cover of a Tom Waits record. I'm like, that's pretty good. I should always.

And I would take them to the cleaners and have them starched. Wow. Yeah. That is like premeditated casualness. I don't know. It made them really stiff and weird, but I like getting my shirts back in a box. I went through this period when I was a freshman at University of Washington. And where for the first time I felt like I was kind of getting some attention from guys.

Uh-huh. And I dressed insane. Yeah? from guys and uh i dressed insane yeah like i wore tiny little plaid skirts yeah and like thigh high stock like garter belts and like big like doc martin boots yeah and i would stomp yeah yeah you're getting into it i'm just getting the look around like i didn't know whether you're going with like you know i looked like i was 14 but not in a cute way and uh but but for me it was like this moment where i felt it was such a transition of like okay i resented guys for looking at me yet i craved it so much and i went from being like plaid, plaid shirted in high school to suddenly like, oh, I want to, like I'm getting sort of a rush off of this newfound identity. Yeah.

Even though it wasn't me at all. I wouldn't. It was sort of punky. Yeah, but it still wasn't me. It was still like consistently like another character, sort of. Do you know where you got the look? Was it just around? It was just around.

Yeah. It was just around. Doc Martens, plaid skirt. I remember it. Yeah. Yeah. How long did that last? Oh, maybe like three or four weeks.

That was it? Yeah. What was the next shift? The next shift I became, I think I sort of became more introverted again. Oh, really? Like jeans and oddly smelling polyester vintage t-shirts. You know how there's that specific smell. Yeah, it's like dry, clean sweat.

Yeah. Yeah. It's like dead person. Kind of. But yeah, the thrift store thing. I don't know when I stopped doing that but i stopped doing that just that feeling on your hands when you go shopping there when you leave and you take that with the jacket but i think it's a confusing thing for anybody but yeah but especially that

i remember feeling very angry at people looking at me when I dressed like that, which, of course, is like, well, I'm dressing like some kind of weird, like, I clearly want attention. Right. But yet I was angry at people for giving it to me. And so I had to have sort of a, like, I still sort of grapple with that kind of that kind of shit in my mind. Yeah. I mean, I don't know if men go through the same thing, but I think women do. Yeah. Yeah.

I never know why women are looking at me. It's like I generally in my life, it's not been because I look at that hot dude. I usually assume it's sort of like, what's his problem? He seems a little needy. Why is he looking at me like that? You know what like i know i've never had the feeling i never assume it's desire i always feel like it's like i always feel like it's something i should apologize for which would only make it weirder

are you good at unnerving eye contact um you kind of look like you are because i do remember in our podcast um when you came on my podcast, that we had like there was a moment where there was like a nerving eye contact. Between me and you? Yeah. What was that about? I don't know. You tell me.

I felt like you initiated it. I don't know if that's true. See, I think you're still trying to put most of the burden on me for whatever happened on your podcast. But it takes two to tango. two you're like i'm just so worried about her well no i just like you were like it was just sort of look man some people you're kind of like they're look you're kind of like um whatever you can however you fool most people that's fine that's how you get through life but like sometimes people have a vulnerability to them

that you know other people can see it's almost like uh like a secret society of insecure people like and every once in a while you come upon them and you're sort of like all right we can't talk for too long because it's too fucking weird and i don't know why and I gotta go. I don't know you and it's just weird and I gotta go. And that's just because there's a vulnerability that you can't hide from certain people because somewhere along the line they've got the same

portal that you do. But don't you think that, exactly, but don't you think that you framed it sort of perfectly, but isn't that why you started a podcast? Is sort of I know it sounds grandiose, but the idea of human exploration? Kind of. I mean, why did you start yours? Well, for a number of reasons.

I really wanted a sense of control of my own narrative. What, career-wise or in general? Just in general. my own narrative but but what career wise or in general i just in general but i i also i i you know i really wanted to talk to strangers without um a celebrity element and that sounds so whatever well you wanted to pretend like you're a normal person well i wanted to i want i'm i'm a curious person i wanted to um i wanted to talk to people and so i thought curious person. I wanted to talk to people. And so I thought, well, you know, I want to talk to people about the relationships. Because I felt like I was constantly finding myself in airports, like talking to strangers about, and I'm not great with small talk.

Right. So what, they just approach you because they knew who you were? Or they didn't know who you were and you were just all of a sudden talking about their relationship like yeah i would if somebody approached me i would be i would be like oh thank you you know whatever and i and i felt grateful but then it would be like okay so wait where are you guys going where so wait is this your girlfriend what like what's happening like i i wanted to always i just wanted to know things about people i wanted wanted to feel like I wasn't in, that's also why I have a bit of a news addiction. Yeah.

Because it makes me. Because the world is ending and you want to try to stay on top of it. It's unbelievably depressing. Yeah. But because living in LA made me feel like everybody that I know is in, we're sort of in this Hollywood bubble, and there was a relief thinking about grander things and whether that's like, you know.

You want to know things. That's the point. I want to know things. You're a curious mind. I want to know things. And you want to talk to people about who they are. Yeah. I want to give people advice as well.

Right. That's really fun. Can I give you that's like that's it that's it unqualified right you give advice but you're not really qualified you want to give me advice already yeah what advice do you want to give me no no we have to ask a question well i have to ask a question yeah yeah leave a question uh about a general question it has to be relationshipy oh it has to be relationship-y. Oh, it has to be relationship-y? Yeah. So, is there, like, do you think that people can get better if they've had, you know, if they have had dramatic sort of troubling relationships over and over again do you think that eventually they can have a healthy relationship um even though it doesn't feel the same as the troubling dramatic

relationship okay well mark let me ask you a couple questions so do you get like sort of a euphoric sense off of a troubling relationship like does it give you sort of the highs and lows that you're craving? Not anymore. Okay. Not anymore. Um, so do you ever find like that? Okay. I know that you are not drawn. I gotta go. She's coming. Oh, she's mad. Okay. So you are drawn to, well, listen, we're no, no, I'm in a good relationship right now. You? Yeah, great relationship. I think that I've never really been, I'm not a fighter. I'm not a fighter. Did you date guys that were fighters? Yeah. And what happens, you just cry?

No, I don't fucking cry. Who the fuck do you think I am? That sounds like you got a little fight in you. I'm just like, yeah. What the fuck is up. Oh, there you go. Who the fuck do you think I am? That sounds like you got a little fight in you. I'm just like, yeah. What the fuck is up with you? Uh-huh. There you go. I thought you just said you weren't a fighter.

And all of a sudden I feel like we have a problem. No, no. But it is like, I get exhausted easily. Yeah. You know what I'm saying. Sim keeps telling me that I'm like a dude, which I take as a compliment, even though the feminist in me doesn't want to but i think what he's saying is that um i don't i just don't seek out um unnecessary well i don't seek out conflict probably to a fault in fact i know to a fault i've been told at work that um i should be

more i don't know speak up for yourself yeah but i also feel like but why i don't have a problem i got my grilled cheese yeah i'm good yeah but you don't want to be taken advantage of yeah yeah but i i don't feel that way good and i think also that's what the podcast is also like it's just it's it's made me feel it makes me feel it's also an intimate forum as you of course you like yeah we're sitting here in the dark yeah you have a couple other people around which is nice where a celebrity feels safe for the most part i don't know if i always make them feel safe do you feel like you make your guests feel safe yeah generally i mean like i mean i don't know of course i think they feel safe yeah i mean what do you mean safe like when you say that who's gonna walk into your

house and be like now i'm nervous i should have brought people with me no no well yes that's part of it too but but like when you go on a talk show it's like okay you've got six minutes to sell some sort of man you like sort of manufactured story that you hope lands and um the performance element and and it feels good to have uh an intimate format that where you're not being recorded visually and um and you know you can oh definitely yeah yeah you can relax long format yeah well for me i i got into it primarily because i didn't know what else to do my my life had hit a wall and uh you know i'd done some radio and originally it wasn't an interview podcast so much it was there was a lot of different elements and then it sort of leveled off but But in retrospect, I had a lot of resentment

and cynicism and bitterness and not unlike, say, a 12-step program where there's a premium on talking to another person so you get out of your own head. And I think a lot of what I was doing was getting out of my own head. And I think a lot of what I was doing was, you know, getting out of my own head and listening to other people's stories and their wisdom or their experiences. So you think you listen?

Oh, definitely. I had to learn. That was a little rib. I'm sorry. No, I know. I know. Well, I listen, but like it's tricky. No, you do.

You do. I'm sorry. No, it's no. I interject a lot. I'm a jerk. Your listeners are going to think i'm a jerk no i interject a lot sometimes but that's usually just because i want to keep it going yeah yeah no you're you're amazing i mean you truly created this whole thing i didn't create interviewing or

talking to people we should all give you a cut of our the ads yeah no no you do your own thing i'm happy i helped out in any way that i could but so you you're wearing you're wearing um combat boots doc martens they're not oh yeah oh yeah and you're running around in uh in uh plaid skirts yeah going to college and you're studying english yeah yeah and i have no friends and i can't find my circle and Oh, really? You're a loner person? Totally. Do people hate you? I didn't know how to make friends. I still don't. So what shifts for you to make you decide to go back to acting?

What was the plan? So I was a fifth year student. Yeah, I did that. You did? What did you major in? English. You did? Yeah. I did five years undergrad. The last semester was nothing but booze and three classes. Yeah, I liked it because I was interested in a lot of things.

And I was able to do a lot of them. Like I did some acting. I did some writing of plays. I wrote for the paper. You know, I studied film. I wrote poetry. I edited the literary journal. Damn. I did the literary journal. Damn.

Like, I had very sort of broad. I didn't excel at all of them, but I definitely took the time to try things that interested me. Yeah. Why were you there five years? I kept changing my majors. Yeah. Then I did a horror movie my final year of college. Yeah.

I was planning on moving to London and I was going to. What were you going to do there? I was going to work at this ad agency. So the acting was off the table, really. Yeah. I mean, I still, I was able to make like, if I got a gig in Seattle, like a training video. Oh yeah.

Or whatever. You're doing that kind of stuff? Oh yeah. Yep. And. So there's some industrials with you out there? Oh yeah. whatever you're doing that kind of stuff oh yeah yep and uh so there's some industrials with you out there oh yeah do you have them what happened to those why aren't they online oh man we're the anna ferris industrials that was my more dramatic work i did one for some insurance company where um it's like a nurse training video where uh i'm a patient that gets told that she has

cancer and uh i had to do this whole arc yeah in like 30 seconds it truly was it was it was masterful masterful yeah i like to think so you had to do a whole arc from oh and the director really pressed me yeah yeah because you your life is ending right now really yeah i was like oh god i gotta get there i gotta get there yeah did you get there i think i did yeah and what was the copy oh it was like wait what i i i have cancer i i don't but i don't understand and the nurse was like okay but and you know here are the next steps that you need to follow it's you know and and whatever whatever like i wasn't even listening to her i was too in my head like i just can't anyway i think my character got over it yeah um but uh i didn't read the reviews of that one but uh, so then I got this horror movie and I...

You got the horror movie in Seattle? Yeah. I was a local hire. I was a cheerleader. So you canceled the London trip? Canceled the London trip. Going to shoot a movie? Well, the movie was in Seattle.

Right. But after I did the movie, I canceled the London trip. And which movie was that? Lover's Lane. Please don't look it up. I'm not going to. You're already like on your mouse or something. I just want to make, you know, I want to know how it all begins for you.

And Lover's Lane was the first movie. Well, I don't know if you're counting Deception of Mother's Secret, which was the movie of the week. Was that before? That was before. And what was that, when you the movie of the week. Was that before? That was before. Was that when you were a child? Yeah. Okay. I said, tuna fish, yuck, or something like that.

Oh, yeah? Yeah. Do it again? Give me a different reading? Okay. All right. Let's see. The undercurrent is that I really like tuna fish.

Uh-huh. Tuna fish, yuck. That's good. Tuna fish, yuck. That's good. Tuna fish, yuck. Tuna fish, yuck. Ah, great. Yeah. Great.

That's great. Thank you. Yeah, thank you. Thank you so much. No, but then, yeah. So after whoever's whining, you moved to LA? Yeah, I decided, I don't know. It just felt like, what the fuck?

Like, I have nothing to lose at this point. And your parents were supportive all the way through? They were, which was pretty amazing. I mean, and I think it's because they were pretty naive. And I was very lucky that I landed into, I had a meeting with a great manager who's still my manager, which I don't know how I pulled those strings. His name's Doug Wald.

Uh-huh. And he's great. You met him after Lover's Lane? After Lover's Lane. He agreed to meet with me. I pulled a couple of strings in Seattle, and then my mom gave me some miles to fly down to L.A. to meet Doug. And I didn't know what the fuck I was doing.

But then I went back to Seattle and I was slowly packing up my things in Edmonds to move. Yeah. And I thought, you know, all right, I'll be, I'll wait tables. I'd done that before. Yeah.

And if I'm totally unhappy, you know, who knows, maybe I can, maybe I can write a novella that won't get published. And you're like 21 years old? Yeah. Yeah. But then I ended up getting Scary Movie.

And that changed everything. Yeah. Although. You did three of them. Four of them. Four? Yeah. Oh.

Not five. I didn't see the last three. What? No, of course I did. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So you're known for your research

me too by the way yeah sure yeah quick skim didn't do a quick skim don't want to miss any big moments yeah but scurry movie was a big moment did you know it was going to be that big no it was it was i don't think anyone knew it was like one of those like what the fuck oh completely i mean and i you know i didn't even know what a mark was. I didn't know. The first time Kenan, our director, called action. Kenan Ivory Wayans? Yeah.

I turned to my co-star and I was like, I don't know what to do. And he was like, say your line. Which co-star was this? That was Johnny Abrams. Yeah. And anyway, yeah, it was. And I thought just the whole time I was just scared shitless anyway yeah it was and I thought just the whole time

I was just scared shitless and I thought I'm gonna get fired because I'm not funny and I don't know what I'm doing and everyone else seems more glamorous

and more experienced and even though it felt like a like a large paycheck I knew this is where I wasn't naive I knew that it wasn't large enough to keep me sustained for a long period of time.

No way to have a life. Yeah. Uh-huh. But you had some acting training or none? I did a little bit, but... When you were a kid? Yeah, when I was a kid. But I have strong opinions about...

Therapy and acting training? Not so much therapy. Listen, I concede to you on the therapy issue. Okay, all right, fine. I need it. You haven't conceded that whatever happened on your podcast was two-sided. But, okay, so let's talk about acting classes. in class um i think that uh um sometimes it can uh sometimes it can be a little too manipulative and and people should like like our cloud like anything make you too self-conscious yeah or you

stray from your gut and i think anytime an actor sort of strays from their gut, you know, it has to be very gently massaged, you know? It should be like a pottery wheel. Right. Or something. No, I get that. That makes sense to me. Well, I tend to believe that, you know, a lot of it is natural. And, you know, how to use what you have naturally is really the trick.

You know, what's going to get you through? But you do fairly, I mean, you can really do characters. Thanks. So I haven't had that experience. I haven't had a job like that as an actor, and I'm not that kind of green. But I haven't had to really kind of make a completely different person. I think that also sometimes acting classes can destroy confidence which is um you know that's it you have you have to you have to have

the ability to feel brave or at least pretend like you feel brave yeah um fake it fake the fearlessness yeah i remember i was i was uh up for this pilot my first pilot after i got scary movie and i finished scary movie and it was my first pilot it hadn't scary movie hadn't come out yet and i it was down to myself and two other girls it was for carsey warner yeah back in the day anyway whatever but i um i went and you you know when you are at that point you sign your contracts oh yeah and everything. Oh, yeah. Everything's up front. Yeah. And you're like kind of like the other girls are sort of sizing you up.

And I'm just like sweating. So you've gone through all the initial auditions. Exactly. Now this is for the studio. This is in front of the network and everybody. And so you walk into a room and there's like, you know, 40 people. Right. Or whatever.

And it's all just fucking terrifying. Yeah. 40 people. Right. Or whatever. And it's all just fucking terrifying. And so I did my audition. And then I left the room.

And the casting director followed me out. And she said, OK, so on it, they like you. She probably said, yeah, but that's fine. Whatever. I'll let it go. Yeah. She was like, so they like you. Yeah. But I want you to come back in.

Yeah. And I need you to come back in. Yeah. And I need you to be way less nervous. I was like, I could feel my neck like starting to shake. My whole head is trembling like I'm one of those wobbly skeletons. Yeah. And so anyway, I went back in. And I remember having this thing like, okay, now I have to pretend to be a character who's trying to be another character, but the original character is not nervous.

That was the trick you played on yourself? Yeah. Yeah. Did it work? Yeah. I did. I got the role. You did?

That was such a bitchy thing for you. Well, not bitchy, but I did. I did. I got the role. I got the role. The pilot didn't go. Right. Were there a lot of those?

Like pilots and opportunities that didn't happen? I've been rejected probably so many times that I, and I have no idea. Even like when the rejection happened like four months before I even knew of the opportunity. You know, like some, you know, my agent calls the producer. He's like, well, what do you think about my client? They're like, nope. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they don't tell you.

That's their job to lie to you. But I mean, after the scary movies, then like you did other movies and you did movies that were kind of real, like, you know, scary movies, it's own thing, that genre, right? But you do Lost in Translation. You do other movies where you're you're really um kind

of digging in what was the plan because it seems like after a certain point pay rent yeah well no no but i i never felt uh like i still struggle with the idea of comedy i'm not it never felt like a natural but that's your that's your jam really i know I know. So you didn't want to do that? No, no. I mean, well, listen, I was happy to be able to do faces and say words. Right. And get an omelet every now and again. Well, that's in translation.

That character was like, you know, I guess it was kind of a funny character, but it was a real thing. Well, you know, I think that I feel really grateful. For a while, I resented the idea of being in comedy because it wasn't something that I had set out to do. And my mom would say things like, you need to be Amelia Earhart or Joan of Arc. Well, Brokeback Mountain, that was like a big movie and weird kind of shutdown emotional. I have like, you know, whatever, maybe five lines in it. But it was an honor to be a part of those important movies. You played the wife of that bearded guy, right?

Yeah. Right. Yeah. But that like even for five lines, because like I'm sort of up against, you know, maybe like I'm doing a small part part but like it resonated i mean you you loaded up you were emotionally appropriate for that situation thanks i do i feel i do love it that um that i felt like uh i i got to be humiliatingly splashy in some of these pretty great projects and i think that that you know keen Keenan in the first Scary Movie,

I think one time he saw me. This is a story that I remember in my head. I don't know if, but I think one time he saw me sort of enviously looking at Shannon Elizabeth, who was very sexy and she has like a sexier role. And he like pulled me aside and he was like, you know, you know that there's no vanity in comedy. Right.

And I didn't I didn't know what that meant. And it wasn't it wasn't about her at all. He just saw me struggling with my own insecurity. And I really treasured that. Like, OK, so if, you know, like comedy is about being brave yeah don't don't you agree well the vulnerability that you show can yeah like i think it's a mistake to think that comedic performances aren't insanely vulnerable yeah yeah because like you know people think like he's making everybody laugh but i mean there's a tremendous risk in that and also you have to be willing to be laughed at totally totally so i think that's why he meant exactly it's the release

of like okay i'm going to work under the assumption and embrace the idea that the audience will think i'm a fucking fool and and because i remember like an early liberating comment it's liberating but it's also humiliating it's liberating. It's liberating, but it's also humiliating. It's liberating to embrace the mentality of that. But yeah, I remember an early comment like on the Internet was like about Cindy Campbell, my character in Scare Movie. Like, I think that Ferris is as dumb as she plays or something like that. And it did sting. But well, and then I was like, why am I reading this shit? But the idea that, like, you have to be okay with people wanting to project, like, a certain idea of you.

You have to be willing to, like. And also their own insecurities and their own bile and their own disappointment, their own shame. You know, you just become the the sort of like uh effigy they're sort of like you've become the the what they're going to project all of their own insecurities right and i think too i mean the whole culture is like that now yeah but and how long did it take to get over that um like to to really detach from it um because it still stings a little bit but you don't have to engage in it you just kind of let it be yeah and well i also feel really grateful that my journey has been like comedy like even though that was not something that

i set out to do nor do i think that sometimes i think I'm okay at it, but. Yeah. Because it's so challenging to sort of reinvent an idea or a joke or a moment. Like even to get hit in the head. Yeah. It's hard. It's like to sort of give yourself up to a simple moment, which isn't simple. It's incredibly difficult. And it's hard to... Comedy is about...

There's a constant evolution of it. And so it's sort of like, how do you... What is the... And I sort of enjoy that challenging element of it yeah and so it's sort of like how do you what is the and i i sort of enjoy that challenging element of it well you like it's a net it's a gift to be you know physical comedy is not anything you can really learn you know either you have an instinct for it and you can build on it or it's just like you can't do it right and i you know and you're good at it. Thanks. I don't think I, I don't think I. No, I think you are.

I'm just willing, Mark. I guess, but like. There's a difference. No, but like the timing thing. Like, all right. Willing's fine, but you can't just will timing. Do you know what I mean? Like, even in that, like that, that movie you did with Ryan Reynolds is like a weird

guilty pleasure of mine. Oh, thanks. Just friends. I love that movie. Thank you. I love him. I love him too. And I loved playing that role.

Of the weird Britney Spears character? Oh, God. It was so delicious. It was so fun. It was like I was getting to express everything obnoxious that I attempt to not do, even though I probably do it all the time. But, God, there's this moment where I'm like, stupid dick. Yeah.

And I just, I was like, what fucking actress gets to say this? all the time but god it was there's this moment where i'm like stupid dick yeah and i just i was like what fucking actress gets to say this i love this shit um and he's very he's another gifted physical comedian like there's some people that can just it's innate he's a great we like some actors are very internal which is very much much appreciated, but he's great with like volleying, the volley of like, we would kind of stay with each other and improv together and he would be like, we would be just sort of calculating each other. It was awesome. There's this particular thrill when somebody's great at that.

Where you can just get that thing going, that banter. That's what we had during my podcast. And I think we had it today. You and Ryan? You and I. Yeah. No, I think so. Yeah.

So that's what it was. See, now you are looking me steadily in the eye. But I was diverting yours. I'm sorry. So it was two-sided. Yeah. Yeah. I think so.

Now you're diverting again. What do you mean? No, I'm saying that you just admitted to it that that's what we were doing. Oh, shit. You caught me right in your trap. Yeah. Took a while. Listeners? Listen, now you're diverting again. What do you mean? No, I'm saying that you just admitted to it that that's what we were doing. Oh, shit. You caught me right in your trap. Yeah. Took a while.

Listeners. An hour later. Mark Maron Spiderweb. I'm in his dungeon. The lights are off. I was not insinuating anything other than. There's a hammer and a knife. I wasn't insinuating anything other than we had a connection and it was good. It was fun.

Mark has a fake bandage on his finger. He's pretending to be a victim no i smashed my finger in between two dumbbells today and i think it might lose my nail and it woke me up to reality what was it what was your awakening like well you know that moment right before you get into a car accident you're like this is gonna happen that's true so like i didn't see this happening but when i took my finger up it was like what the fuck my nails fucked because you're right there are moments like when you're in labor or when i was just thinking about that like when i hurt my nail i'm like it's kind of like having a baby and you're so right about the car accident thing it's like but tell me about that the labor thing because i did think of that like like here i like i was sort of like i realized immediately because I hurt that finger too. Right.

But I realized immediately this is minor. You'll deal with it. You might not be able to play guitar for a little while, but the nail thing, but like that, the labor thing, I can't obviously imagine or properly empathize with, but it seems like, holy shit. Yeah. Did you do it for real? Yeah. I mean, and then I had an epidural. How old's your kid now? He's six. He just turned and then I had an epidural. How old's your kid now? He's six.

He just turned six. You had an epidural? I did eventually, but they were at, I was at Cedars-Sinai and they had a, like a crazy, like women were giving, they had more births during a three day period than like ever in their history. So women were giving birth in the hallway and, uh, and I was, i was put into an operating room for a minute and then i think my doctor pulled some strings or well i don't know anyway but uh it was it was crazy so point being i um i yeah i was in in labor for i don't know maybe seven hours before the

epidural and i i remember thinking i remember thinking a few things i remember thinking i don't know how in movies yeah women have the energy to scream right because there's absolutely nothing i can i could i couldn't possibly spend any more energy like emitting anything out of whatever. You guys don't need to hear this stuff. I do. I like it. Yeah.

Well, it's. I don't know about it. I always thought, too, that I was always like, you know, whatever. I have a high pain threshold. I'm cool. Anyway, but. But you had no idea. And then I just remember thinking during those brief moments when you're not having a contraction,

like, don't you forget this, Ferris. Don't you forget this. You were going to forget it just like your friends did you're gonna fucking forget this shit and then like four years from now you're gonna be in the same position you're gonna be like what the fuck so i was like remember the pain remember you must remember this uh but you know um and then you finally scream for an epidural you start to question things about the necessity of pain during childbirth which we can talk about later okay yeah i know that that sounded cryptic right i just don't want to get into like sort of my cynical thoughts about religion and gender and everything. Really?

Yeah, I really don't because I do have to pee. And I do think that you have to probably go. I have to pee too. I do too. Yeah, you have a bathroom right there, right? Yeah. Why don't you pause it and I'll pee? And then you can think about my existential questions.

Okay. Okay. You go ahead and pee. This was very good iced tea. All right. I'll check my messages real quick. You're amazing. Okay.

Let me know if you get anything good. So wait, where's your partner now? She's got her own house. Oh. How long have you guys been together? Four years. Does she look close? Yeah.

You keep a Bible in the bathroom? It was just in my books and I was in there. I thought I'd take a look. How would it go? I always get lost immediately when I read the Bible. Like, what do you mean? Lost in thought or lost, like... No, it's just the language of it.

It doesn't appeal... It doesn't... I can't wrap my brain around it. Oh, that feels better. Alright. Oh, yeah, thank you. That was really sweet of you. Did we just talk while you peed? Yeah.

Great. Okay, do you want me to talk? You can. I'm having a little trouble because of my finger. Alright, I'm good. Okay. I just didn't know if you get uncomfortable if somebody listens to you pee. No, I just... Let me just get it going.

You can do this. I got it. You've been doing it all your life. Oh, fuck. You didn't really make noises that related to your pee. No, I wanted to distract you, you know. Oh, from hearing you pee? Yeah.

Oh. Do you, are you, um, why do men like to be peed on? I don't like to be peed on. Yeah, but can you speak for your gender? Huh? Can you speak for your gender? Why do some men like it? I think it's a humiliation thing. Some guys, especially guys who

are in positions of power, enjoy being humiliated in a sexual situation. Oh. It turns them on because they don't get enough of it. Oh. I think so, Mike.

So that was good. I actually realized I was recording it all on my backup. So I'll leave it up to my producer. Great. As to whether or not that was good radio. But Mark. Tell me about your cynical views on religion. I can't. You can't? Oh, because of the. But Mark. Tell me about your cynical views on religion. I can't. You can't?

Oh, because of the. I just, well. You think people will pick it up? Yeah. All right. And also, they're not, they're very personal. Okay. And I don't want to be judgmental towards.

Right. Listen, you know. You don't have to. It's fine. Keep them to yourself. I believe in empathy and, you know, I... You don't have to. It's fine. Keep them to yourself. I believe in empathy and, you know, whatever. Doing good things. But we were getting to a more interesting subject, which is why men enjoy being peed on.

We're back on morning radio. I don't know what you're talking about, Anna, but maybe Charlie does. Charlie. Yo, what's up? Yo. What do you think? You ever had a woman pee on you, Charlie? Oh, fuck yeah.

Why do you do that? Oh, Zig. Here's the thing. Yeah. I just love like a good fucking golden stream, man. Yeah, but what do you think that comes from emotionally? Where is it? Like, why do you like that?

It makes me feel like I'm getting ejaculated on by a hot fucking girl. Okay. I got to dump the fuck on that mark what the fuck all right oh man you know you love a good stream on are you still on hi i could have done better with a little more prep oh sorry i don't know who that guy was yeah he was close he was close next podcast so you you're getting along good with your kid. You're getting along good with your ex. Everything's wonderful. Okay.

I didn't expect anything real there. You're in an exciting new relationship that's good. Yeah. And the show's doing well. This is the fourth season. This is the fifth. Fifth? Sixth?

I love your research. What do you want from me? I told you what I'd do this for. To connect. Yeah, yeah. And I think we connected. But by the way, you're still wiggling like you have to pee again. You're exhausted.

I'm exhausted. I've exhausted you. No, I'm not exhausted at all. I always wiggle. Will you, why don't you like close us out with a little tune? I will later. I'll add that in. All right, fine.

Okay. So season six. Oh, is this the promotional part? I didn't know we. All right, fine. Okay, so season six. Oh, is this the promotional part? I didn't know we were supposed to do that. Allison Janney's fun to work with, right? Yeah, no, she's amazing. You guys got a good thing going? You know, I'm so lucky.

I love her so fucking much. You do? Yeah. Do you learn from her? Well, yeah, I mean. You're both so good, though. What if someone offered you a serious role? Would you enjoy that?

Because I do learn from her. But I always feel like if I talk about that, it. What? Because I feel like we are best friends, like contemporaries. Do you have that thing, the back and forth thing with her yeah oh yeah i can feel that we have we have like anytime i get to do a scene with her it's like it's like we're dance partners she seems like a like a really solid professional but very engaged um performer like i get when you watch your it's sort of like you're watching something that is

thought the fuck out yeah it's it's so true and yeah and she's she's also just such a great person yeah and that's nice we have like i think it's i mean you know what it's like sometimes with long term working relationships sometimes you know whatever yeah. Yeah, sometimes it's sort of like, see you tomorrow, and that's it. But we're... Close. We're really, really close. And, in fact, she was telling me that you keep bugging her to come here. Yeah.

But she told me to tell you to fuck off. Hmm. Like, are you paraphrasing? Or was it really that? She probably did say that actually now that i think about alice and jenny why wouldn't she say exactly that it's fine you know no i love i'll just love her so much why doesn't she want to come on she just doesn't do these things no she does she's done mine a few times

well that's different you guys are best friends. Why the hostility, though? Why the fuck off? Did she say it comedically? People are specifically intimidated by your podcast. No, I agree with that. You do? Uh-huh.

Okay, why? Certain people. Why do you think? Because I think, like, certainly with some actresses, like, why would they? You know, like, why would they sit and talk for an hour to, you know, to fuel anything out there? You know, like you, you had to stop yourself from talking about something. You do a good job at diversion and being funny and stuff and, you know, wandering from the point for whatever reason. So, you know.

So not staying on target. So, but that is something I understand that actresses in particular have to be more protective of their shit. And also, like, you know, a lot of them don't like actors in general. A lot of them don't want to reveal, you know, what's behind their particular talent, which is fine. But you're right, though, that it can feel exposing to talk. But what bothers me is I don't want actors or anybody thinking that I have a specific agenda or that I'm looking.

I'm certainly not out to sandbag anybody or make anybody look bad, but I just think it's a general sort of apprehension of the hour hour long interview. Right. That's too candid. Well, and also, you know, as you know, we have people that we work with that get terrified of this kind of thing. That somehow if I slip or say something that my, you know, whatever, that I'll get like raked over the coals.

But the weird thing is we would take it out. Like if you drove away from here and had second thoughts about anything, you know, you would tell me, I'd tell my producer and be like, okay, that doesn't go in. Should I have second thoughts about something I said? No.

I feel like you've said some of it before. Oh, you listen to all my interviews? Fuck you. Oh, you just think I'm well-versed. No, I just, I, you to all my interviews fuck you no you just think i'm well versed no i just i you know like you know fuck you i guarantee you like what would you think we'd need to take out like if you were really to think of anything you said there's not one fucking thing um nah i think i i think i skirted okay but you didn't you were you were you think I skirted okay. But you were kind. Skirted.

See, that's what you do. That's your professional skirter. Pivoter. Uh-huh. And truthfully, I wish that this could be a forum where I could. It's like we're 80% there. Me and you? I wish.

Culture. People. Like, I wish... Culture, people. I feel like I would love to be able to tell you all of my, like, intimate thoughts about relationships and religion and kids and whatever. And... Will you save that for your podcast? This is just a big promotional ploy. But you know what I'm saying.

It's like, it's part of protecting the people around you. And also why? Why do it? You know, if you don't want to, you know, own it publicly. What's the point? There's no point to it. See, that's where I kind of disagree though. All right.

I think there is a point. I was watching Tiffany Haddish, who I just adore. Yeah. And she was, like, talking about smoking weed. Yeah. Or whatever, driving on Jimmy Kimmel. Yeah. And I was like, good for her.

Uh-huh. Like, that's something that I would never talk about. Because I would be terrified that, like, oh, there'd be haters out there being like, oh, she's a mom. Or whatever. Yeah. No, but, like, she's a mom or whatever. Yeah. No, but like, this is one of the issues. So you are very aware because like there was a moment when we were just talking where you're like, you know, like you were about to say something and you said, I can't.

And you were talking to yourself. Right. So you've been at this long enough to know, you know, even pre-clickbait that, you know, if you say something because of your public personality that you know it would just be a pain in the ass tomorrow or whenever this airs well and also you know i i took this one of my most favorite acting jobs was this movie called smiley face where um a small indie and uh and i'm stoned the whole time. Yeah. And I loved playing it because the dialogue was so funny, and it was such a weird character. Dylan Haggerty wrote it, and Greg Araki directed it.

Uh-huh. And it was like a part written for a dude. Yeah. And that's what I loved about it. It was sort of asexual, whatever. But my mom, when I told her that I was going to do a movie about this stoner girl, she was like, but I, you are a role model. Which, two things raced through my head, which was like, one, mom, did you see any of the scary movies? Because I am not a role model.

And two, like, so I had to tell her. I said, mom, you know, I want to take roles that inspire me creatively. Yeah. And I don't want to be thinking about you. And I love you. But I can't have that a part of my decision making. It's sort of the search for a personal intimate identity and then the public pressure to, or whatever it is, to have another persona or to be good or maintained or whatever

it is. And yeah. Do you have that voice of your mother in your head anyways? I try to let it go. Yeah. But yeah, I do. But you've done a lot of like, you know I would say, sort of sexualized and provocative characters. Yeah.

And I like to make orgasm noises on my podcast a lot. You do? Oh, yeah. But does your mother listen? No. I told her not to. Yeah. And last year, she told me I had a book that came out.

And she said, I'm going to give you a gift and not read your book. Wow. I was like, thank you, Mom. Thank you so much. Because there's a different expectation level, I think, for women, too. They always wanted me to be a virgin forever. Yeah. They did?

Actively? Mm-hmm. Which is odd for non-religious parents. Yeah. Yeah. I'm trying to figure out what they were. If they weren't religious, they were still sort of controlling. It sounds like. Yeah. Yeah. But supportive. Yeah. Protective, you said. Protective. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I understand all those pressures and it is, I guess, a tough place to be and I think that my my experience with it is even the best at it who I've talked to at managing their image even when they pull it off they will be pulled apart if they are popular enough uh you know for bullshit well it does so that's a thing

that's the struggle it's like full ownership so So, because now with social media, it's very transparent how a celebrity is perceived. And it's easy to tell, I think, if there's a certain image, a simplistic image being projected. Uh-huh. And so. Because they'll hold you to that. It's either like go big or go home a little bit. Uh-huh. And so... Because they'll hold you to that. It's either like, go big or go home a little bit.

Oh, right. So either... But I'm still like maintaining the middle line, sort of. Yeah, and they still come after you. Yeah.

For whatever you say. Yeah. But why you? I don't think I... I don't know. And also you're in like a celebrity relationship which puts a lot of eyes on it

like you know like that you'll never get out from under that well in the press you know what I mean like in terms of their intrigue yeah

yeah I did this I'm really proud of this yeah because I never have a good comeback but I did this podcast uh like i don't know maybe a year ago and uh and we played like some silly games whatever like we're

fucking around and and it's all light and i'm promoting a movie and blah, blah, blah. And at the very end, the dude was like, so tell us about, like, Jack. How is Jack dealing with, he said. That's your kid? Yeah. He prefaced it by saying, I wouldn't be doing my job if I didn't ask. And he has this big grin on his face. And he's like, so, like, how is Jack dealing with, like, everything that's going on in your life? He's like, so, like, how is Jack dealing with, like, everything that's going on in your life?

And I said, you know, I was politically, which is the truth, actually. It's the boring fucking truth, which is that everything is great. Yeah. And so I go on for a minute, but I'm flushed because I wasn't quite expecting for this light, goofy thing interview to suddenly, to suddenly pivot into that area. So I said, okay, but now that we're done with that, I wouldn't be doing my job if I didn't ask, how long do you go down on a woman for? Because it should be at least 40 minutes. Uh-huh.

Yeah. What did he say? He couldn't talk. He like yeah you got him huh i don't know yeah i don't know but it felt good at least in that moment to be like okay don't preface it by saying i gotta be doing my job like i wouldn't be doing my what the fuck right come on but so like the struggle is to sort of you want to have a private life but you'd like to own you i imagine you do own who you are in your private life and with your friends but why do you you know why do you owe that to the public i think that and this is where it's it's hard for me because i do like to escape behind characters which is why I like to act. So it is hard, the idea of the expectation of people feeling like they need all information.

Yeah. Especially the bad shit. Yeah. But at the same time, I do understand it because I do understand wanting to go to a movie or watching a show because of somebody that you root for. Yeah. Like personally. You know i i get that i get that completely because i'm the same way so it's really um well that's it there is that you know because of the nature uh like there's a lot of actresses

that you know just live their lives right but because somehow or another at a certain point because of your relationship or or whatever you know you became one of these subjects you know like they're you know paparazzi and and the tabloids aren't following around every actress you know they're not you know there was just some you were one of the people i always felt like i was one like I consistently made like stars without makeup. Yeah. Like, and there I am in sweats, you know, whatever, eating a burrito. That's good. You can handle that.

Sort of. And then it's like, well, that sure doesn't look flattering. But I don't know. I don't want to portray myself in a false way. Right. As though, like, because I clearly don't have to portray myself in a false way. Right. As though, like, because I clearly don't have my shit together. I, like.

You have a lot of shit together. I didn't shower today. What the hell does that got to do with anything? I don't know. No, but I mean. My hair feels kind of greasy. You're showing up for work. Just a weird sailor hat.

But you're showing up for work. You do a network show. That's a lot of fucking work. Thanks. You do the job. You do a good job. You're managing being a lot of fucking work you know do the job you do a good job you're managing being a parent you have to co-parent i mean you know these are things that you're showing up for i mean you do have a certain amount of shit together you know i i don't know why it is that the average not average is the wrong person but people who aren't in this business you know hold people in this business to a certain standard and they want

to see them buckle somehow i mean we all deal with the same problems that everyone else deals with they you know but for some reason you become an example just because of your fame well i think you know we're so lucky to have like a good you know good fortune in a lot of ways. Yeah. But not to continue to promote my podcast, Mark Norton. Yeah. But that's been a wonderful thing too, is that realizing that so many of the questions that we get and the callers that we get

are about the same issues. Of course. Which is like, does this person like me? Am I attractive? What am I doing with my career? And these are things that, like, it's like the great unifier, at least in, I have to, it's so lame when I say this, but in developed nations. Mm-hmm. Because it is like, yeah, there's people that actually have.

Real problems. Hunger issues. actually have uh real problems hunger issues and well i think like the also what makes you um appealing in in you know in your work but also like in terms of who you are is like i said earlier and what i think we what happened to us when we first met is that you you you can't hide your vulnerability so like even in your acting and you know even how like and I think that that attracts both you know you know predatory bullying you know and but also a tremendous amount of empathy from other people and also relatability but like if you can't hide your vulnerability that means the monsters are gonna be be like, oh, look at that.

We got her. But also most people are going to be like, oh, she's like, I understand her. She's like me. Thanks. Thanks for saying that. Because I don't want to live a life of high defense. I mean, I think I do to some degree. But you've figured out how to be charming and diverting.

So that's great. You're doing a great job with that. Thanks, Mark. Thank you for... Now you just laughed. You're like, I'm full of shit. I kind of said something funny. Oh, you did, but I wasn't listening.

Oh, I was too busy absorbing the compliment. So how long do you go down on women? Because if it's less than 40 minutes, I don't think you're really doing your job. I know. You're completely right. But I am a union member. Oh, okay. So you got to do it no matter what.

I got to take a lunch break after 30 minutes. Nice talking to you, Anna. Mark, thank you so much. So which party favorite do I get to keep, the hammer or the knife? I'm going to give you a mug. No, it's a handmade mug. Fuck. Handmade. Really? Yeah. Alright. By Potter. He lives in upstate New York.

Really? Yeah. You give better gifts than I do. I don't remember. What did you give me? Nothing. Nothing? A hug? Okay. Alright. Can I have the last word? Yes. Thank you so much for inspiring me to start a podcast, which has now made my life slightly miserable, but wonderful.

I appreciate it. You're welcome. What? I thought I got the last word. I'm turning it off now. Fuck you. Okay, so that was fun, right? That was exciting. Emotional dance, wasn't it?

As I said earlier, Anna Faris is on the show Mom, and it's back. Thursday nights on CBS and her podcast Unqualified. You can get wherever you get them. The podcasts, whatnot. Also, go to wtfpod.com to get tour dates buy one of the new t-shirts and sign up for wtf premium to listen to all wtf episodes commercial free okay and i got those dynasty typewriter uh theaters coming up there here in la small theater october 4th and october 6th you can go to wtfpod.com slash tour to uh to get tickies for that okay i guess i'll try to play

guitar with my other fingers now tall wilkenfeld gave me a gift for my birthday this echo pedal i usually use pedals i think. I think she's got her mind set on helping me build a pedal board for my limited skill set. But let's see what we got. ¶¶ ¶¶ Thank you. Boomer lives! Boomer lives! category. And I want to let you know we've produced a special bonus podcast episode where I talked to an actual cannabis producer. I wanted to know how a producer becomes licensed, how a cannabis company competes with big corporations, how a cannabis company markets its products in

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