WTF with Marc Maron Podcast - Episode 980 - Kyle Dunnigan

Episode Date: December 27, 2018

Kyle Dunnigan was saved from a midlife crisis by Instagram. He explains to Marc how he bent the social media platform to suit his comedy as they both discuss the challenges of facing down middle age. Kyle takes Marc all the way back to when he was a young song-and-dance-man in high school who got suspended for doing a stand-up routine at the talent show. Kyle also talks about the conditions surrounding his high-profile writing jobs, first writing on Sarah Silverman’s show after the two of them had broken up and then being in the middle of a joke-stealing controversy while writing for Amy Schumer. This episode is sponsored by the New York Times Crossword App. Sign up here for WTF+ to get the full show archives and weekly bonus material! https://plus.acast.com/s/wtf-with-marc-maron-podcast. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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I'm Mark Maron. This is my podcast. I'm going remote. I'm remote right now. I'm not in a bunker. I'm not off the grid. I'm in my hometown for the holidays. Albuquerque, New Mexico. Today on the show, Kyle Dunnigan. Very funny. I enjoy talking to him. I like watching him. He's a funny guy. Funny comedian. Oddball. He's on the show. We recorded it a little while ago back in the garage. But how are you guys doing? How's the holidays? I'm actually, to be honest with you, I feel okay. What did I get? Is it important what

we get? Are we talking about material things? All I know is right now i'm sitting in a room about a block away from where i grew up at the uh los poblanos historic inn and lavender farm i tell you i'm i'm about done with lavender you stay at this place there's lavender and everything there's lavender in the tea and the shampoo and the conditioner and the soap there's everywhere there's lavender and it's starting to turn on me. But that's not a criticism. I'm just saying that certain things you can hit a limit with. Lavender and I think crack cocaine are good examples.

For some reason, patchouli, I've been wearing most of my life. I don't even notice it anymore. But then again, like if I wore lavender, I would probably get more reaction. People would think I'm weird. And if I smoke crack, I would have no friends. I don't know if there's a real connection, but that's a connection. And outside of that, it's been lovely. And right now, I'm looking out,

snow is falling down. And in Los Angeles, you don't see much of this, much snow. It's really, I'm very happy. I'm happy that it's snowing. I'm happy that this is a couple days after the Christmas holiday. I'm happy for a lot of things. A lot of things are scary, and a lot of things are awful in the world, culturally, politically. But it's snowing in New Mexico today, and I'm glad I brought my boots. It's the little things, folks. It's the little things. The boots. Very exciting. And I have not gotten a cold yet. Sarah the painter had a little cold.

I did not get it. I don't know why I didn't get it. I'm not complaining. I'm not going to think too deeply about it. Because sometimes when you think like, what did I do to not get a cold? Something in your cellular makeup says, you want one? We can set it up. We can, we can, I mean, you can kind of feel what's happening.

You know, you feel that nag, like, am I going to beat it? Am I not going to beat it? Am I on the cusp? Sometimes you're on the cusp for, for a couple of weeks. I think I'm still on the cusp, but maybe I should just stay in the proactive thinking. Like, you know, like I'm on top of this. I'm fighting it on a cellular level. I have that control. I can tap right in to my lizard brain, go past the other stuff, maybe get a little cortisol going, a little adrenaline going, you know, get the cells excited. And yeah, that's what I'm doing.

That's what I'd like to think. I'm willing my way through my connection with a very ancient part of my brain into not having a cold. And once I master that, I am never going to die. See, see how that goes. See how you can just keep going with that. And then you realize like, ah, I'm fucking lying to myself. And then you realize like, ah, I'm fucking lying to myself. So I was here in New Mexico for two days. I saw my father who turned 80, sat with him at a large party, his wife's family's house. A lot of Christmas stuff going on. There was like a bunch of kids, a bunch of grownups, several generations of people doing a present thing.

And there was my dad sitting alone by himself off to the, deep in another room, just sitting there, just sitting there being my dad, looking him over there. Just what's he doing? Thinking? What's he up to? Why isn't he engaging? So I was there to see him. So I naturally went over and sat with him for a while, But I don't know. He's 80, and I think he's withdrawing a bit deeper into the mind. I wouldn't say that he's becoming Zen-like or Buddha-like unless sort of a nirvana or complete mindfulness involves some compulsive self-judgment, self-loathing, and shoulda, woulda, coulda-ness. But he has mellowed. He's okay. He's older.

And it was nice seeing him. I hope that you people were able to spend time with your families and tolerate it. This was a little more than that. I think as I get older and things start to fade a bit, it's nice to see him. But it was also, it's nice to see him. But it was also honestly nice to leave. And we had just enough time. And he seems to feel the same way. Not in a hostile way, but when I'm like, I'm going to go.

Is that all right? I'm probably not going to see you again this trip. He's like, yeah, yep, good, great. I'm like, great, perfect. So did I say what I got for Christmas? I got a cashmere sweater. I'm like, great, perfect. So did I say what I got for Christmas? I got a cashmere sweater. I got a hat. I got, what else did I get? Oh, Sarah, the painter, finally gave me a painting. Only took four years. It's a nice painting. I'm going to put that up in the house.

What else did I get? I got a lot of cards, not as many as usual, but maybe it's an addressing or maybe it's because I don't send people anything. And maybe it's because I don't really give too many presents, you know, and I don't go to parties often. So if you're sitting there wondering why you're not popular or why you don't get Christmas cards or why, uh, you don't get gifts, do you give them? I find that reciprocity usually leads to that sort of circle of socialization. If you just sit there and you go through your cards and you wonder, why didn't I not get as many? Why not as many presents? How come no one's wishing me a happy Christmas or a merry Hanukkah? How come that's not happening? Well, did you do it? Oh yeah, it's not all about me.

I've got to care about other people and do the polite thing. If you're not doing that, you're probably going to be in Christmas card Siberia all alone with just one or two from your family. I don't really know how long to hold on to the pictures of my friends' families. Do you know if you don't have a mantle or you're not pinning them up and

they're just kind of hanging around, it's nice to see everybody growing every year, but how long do you keep those pictures? And then I feel bad if I throw them away and I end up keeping them for a long time. Then I find them a few years later and then it's sort of like, oh, remember when they were like that? Why didn't I throw that away? It's hard to throw away pictures of people that you know and they're kids all dressed up posing for photographs, but you can do it. When's the right time to do that? I don't know. Do I have an email to read? Maybe I do. Subject line, intergenerational Marin. Hey, Mark, I've been a longtime fan and although you don't know me or anything about me after listening to your podcast for so long, I feel as though I know you like a friend. You have a way of breaking the barrier between presenter and listener. I've been able

to relate to so many of your experiences of addiction, loss, and jealousy, and that way you share them so openly and honestly. I'm going through a divorce myself, my first. You are much more experienced in this area than me. Not proud of that. That's not a notch on my belt. And listening to your podcast eases some of those lonely days and nights. I wanted to share a moment with you. The other day, my seven-year-old son came home and said, hey, dad, you know that podcast you always listen to, WTF? He pronounces it as a word, WTF.

That Mark guy reads a turkey story for kids. Are you sure it was him I said? He said, yeah, the guy with the mustache and the glasses. We looked it up and sure enough, there you were reading Turkey Trouble. My parents have said that they enjoy watching you on GLOW and think you are one of the best characters of the show. So you're transcending generations and becoming known to all. Hope you're coming to do more shows in Australia soon.

Happy holidays, Glenn. That's exciting. Everybody knows me for a different reason. That's nice. And then it's almost like the other things that i do that they don't know is kind of like my secret life for those people who know about that and not about the other thing anyway folks i uh i have to hit the road we got to pack up it's amazing what that we travel with so much stuff like it just keeps growing all this stuff is growing as we move. And we've only been here three days.

And it's almost like we live in this room. That's how we travel. So folks, stay safe. And right now, uh-oh, hold on. Someone's at the door. You'll get it? Yeah, it's a maintenance. It's a maintenance guy?

Yeah. Oh, they're coming to check the hot water as we leave? Okay. Hello. Hi. Hey. We don't know. Oh.

It's wet. It's a little wet. But I got to get in that closet in that bedroom. Okay. It's a tankless water heater that's up in the ceiling. Okay. Oh, okay. Tankless water heater in the ceiling.

Thank you. All right. How you doing, buddy? Good. So, that was a little real life moment. We didn't have hot water for the last couple hours. So the guy came in with a ladder and he's going to go up into the ceiling now. And we're about to leave.

But now I feel like maybe we should stay just to take another shower. Okay. So now I'm going to share with you my conversation with Kyle Dunnigan. You can follow him on Twitter, Instagram, and YouTube. And he's very active on all three, particularly Instagram, where he does a lot of funny stuff. So this is me and Kyle Dunnigan. It was a very fun conversation. Enjoy it. Be honest. When was the last time you thought about your current business insurance policy? If your current business insurance policy? If your existing business insurance policy is renewing on autopilot each year without checking out Zensurance,

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Are you alright buddy? You tired? No, I just like kind of meditated though so I'll pump up. What do you mean kind of meditated? When you drove over? Well I got here early. I don't like to be late. Oh yeah, I don't either. Makes me show. What do you mean you kind of meditated? When you drove over, you swept through? Well, I got here early. I don't like to be late. Oh, yeah, I don't either. It makes me panic. So I have like a meditation app that I put on.

Headspace? No, it's called Insight. Oh, geez. What's the difference? Did you try Headspace? I did Headspace, which I like. But I don't like when you watch cartoons and stuff like that. What?

Oh, I actually, see, I didn't even get that far. I put the app on my phone, and I, I didn't even get that far. I put the app on my phone. Yeah. And I guess I didn't open it. Like I made the move to meditate, but didn't take the action. Do you, you don't meditate at all? No. Yeah. Why?

Are we recording now? Sure. Is this the show? Kinda. Have you listened to it before? I have. What year did you start? I'm older than you, right?

You're what are you, 40? 47. Oh, you're getting up there. Thank you. I had a midlife crisis, by the way, last year it's about the time full-on midlife which i think is good to have midlife crisis crisis yeah i i don't know that uh i think i panicked right through mine so you're in the winter of your life yeah um it might be the final quarter this might be it it might be the you know i like it makes you feel alive like i feel alive now yeah well it's gonna keep getting more yeah but it becomes a sad thing that feeling of being alive when you know time's running out you're like i you know i don't think about it i

don't think about i do think about i think we should think about it well i mean i i know what's happening but like it's it's sort of uh like we all know going to die, but we don't know of what. And when you get older and things start to ache and creak a little bit, you're like, this body's only built for so much. That's the thing. You can't ignore it when you start losing your vision and the aches and stuff. But other cultures that face death, unlike us, they are less stressed out. We push it away, but it's there. But then we got-

Well, I think Canadians are better at it because they know it's there but then we got well i think canadians are better at it because they know like well the you know i've got health care and uh you know and there's probably some sort of uh elderly care that you know like you you sort of like there's not the crisis of like what the fuck are we going to do when you get sick or no one wants to deal with you anymore yeah well they got a state thing that you just go check in and that's that yeah why doesn't it work why do you think it doesn't work here? Because there's no money in it. Is that it?

Of course. What do you mean? Why is there not national health care? Because you'd have to basically shut down the insurance market and move it to the government. Is it that simple? Is there anything else? Or is it just that, you think? It's just that.

I can't figure out. Was Obama sitting in this chair that I'm in? He was in that chair, but in a different garage. Oh. What do you mean? But this chair. That chair, yeah. No, that was the chair for sure.

Well, I need a minute to take that in. Okay. Obama just sat here. And now here I am. Yeah. What's going on with you in relation? I need a minute. This has been like 20 seconds.

I'm sorry. All right. I'm good. It's going on with you in relation? I need a minute. This has been like 20 seconds. All right, I'm good. It's pretty cool, though. I thought I needed a minute, but it was actually 34 seconds. So wait, how did the midlife crisis manifest itself? I was writing for a show, Sarah Silverman show on Hulu. When you were dating or after? After.

Yeah. Why was that tone? What was that tone? After. What kind of tone?'s how. Why was that tone? What was that tone? After. What kind of tone? What would you say that tone was? It was like, after, why'd you bring that up? No.

Okay. That tone was just to put a point on it. Because. I think you might have been the last comic. I think you might have. Yeah, I did it. I tend to do that. I tend to do the last comic.

Well, I'll tell you this. Yeah. You get along with her, though. I do. She's actually really good at being do the last comic. Well, I'll tell you this. Yeah. You get along with her, though. I do. She's actually really good at being friends with all her exes, I think. Yeah. And I feel like also I realize working for her is our relationship. She must have been the boss because there was no transition feeling.

And I was writing for Amy Schumer before that. And I got kind of in that writer loop. And then I realized how little time I i had i just suddenly felt my age and um i i didn't i wanted to be a performer and i that was always a thing yeah yeah i like to write it's a great job you've done a lot of it it seems yeah but i got caught in it because of, you know, there's stability, money, all that stuff. Sure, sure. Then I was like, I'm going to focus on my, yes.

Yeah. I'm going to focus on my, my Instagram. I just make Instagram videos. Now. I'm going to do that for a year. Focus on it. This was the midlife crisis?

Yeah. So that doesn't sound very dark. It didn't get that dark, but I tell you, I'm still, I'm still feeling it. Yeah. Like I get up at 630 every morning. On purpose? Or just because you can't sleep anymore? but I tell you, I'm still feeling it. Yeah. Like, I get up at 6.30 every morning.

On purpose. Or just because you can't sleep anymore. On purpose. No, I mean, I get up at like 6 and I can't go back to sleep. You just pop awake? Yeah. Are you awake at night too? That's one of the gifts of being older, is that you just can't sleep in the morning anymore.

No, I usually fall asleep at night, like boom. How many hours are you getting up at 6.30? I think I probably average six that's okay you know it's not great but it's just where i'm at and whatever's good for you it's not good for me i mean i'd like to be able to like on a weekend maybe sleep till nine yeah but like i don't know i think i'm doing a bit about it that like i don't really believe in god but that's the one thing that makes me question because uh it does seem like as you get older, and it happens to everybody, that you can't sweep as much.

It's almost like God saying like, "'Hey, you might wanna be up for this.'" Yeah. Not a lot of time left. Not much. Yeah. I don't, you're not religious. No. I can't. Do you say that

like you were wary, like what if I said I am, but I'm open to your views. I get nervous. I would get nervous if I said you were very religious. I'm open to your views. Tell me, tell me'm open to your views. I would get nervous. I'm open to your views. Tell me lost one. How do you explain your inability to suspend your disbelief? I know, you feel like such an idiot when someone's religious and they're looking at you thinking you go to hell.

I sat next to a lady on the plane. How'd this come up? She had pamphlets. She was one of those people. And she was, you know, you listen and you try to be nice you know hurt someone's feelings no but then she said that I was wasting my life being a comedian yeah and then I I sort of turned and I thought why I'm gonna do better would you say that yeah and so I was like well you know why do how can

you say people in Africa never hear of Jesus go to hell? Right. And she said, there's the internet now. Oh, it's only a matter of time before we get to them. Right. Yeah, the missionary mindset. They're not going to hell. We can still get there. We've got people down there. They're handing out the pamphlets.

We're working on the internet. We're getting close, yeah. And then people that just, if they're in a plane crash and they're the only survivor, they thank God for saving them. But if they're in a plane crash and they they're the only survivor they they thank god for saving him but then they're saying like he chose me over the other people he let die like it doesn't make sense that there's any god watching and uh no if if there is he's got a a very wicked sense of humor he's hilarious yeah like while we've been talking eight children

died sure well yeah well i mean probably more but but uh i don't even frame it that way that the weird thing that you know it's prophesied that the world will end and uh you know we're all sort of like if it does sort of come to pass that it does and it does seem biblical a lot of us are going to feel pretty stupid oh yeah but also i would have a lot of questions well i mean you probably won't get an opportunity to ask them unless you jump on board now. You can't do that Hail Mary pass when you see Jesus lowering out of the sky. I think you can, as long as you say you believe in Jesus. Right, you get in under the...

You get in under the... That's what people on death row do. They get in. Right, right. Now accept, and they go to heaven. Yeah, or at least they feel better in that last few seconds yeah they're a little bit of optimism would you be really if you were on death row i think i would start to maybe get religious and i don't know i don't see my brain doing it like i just it's really a matter of being able to suspend the disbelief which i it's not i don't know i don't

sit around and be atheistic all the time i do find find it disconcerting when people of faith act within that faith, or they think they are, and it's clearly damaging to others and to the world in general, what they are able to rationalize. Yeah. But I don't begrudge them their faith. I just don't know that I can get there. And fortunately, as you get older, less things seem to matter. So you do get a little relief anyways. I do feel relieved now that I'm older.

Well, yeah, because a lot of the things that were so important and so horrifying and so painful that you look back at them and you're like, I was 12. Yeah. I was 19. Yeah. And I thought that, you know. Where'd you grow up? Whose show is this?

I don't know. I grew up in New Mexico. You did? Mostly, yeah. I was up in New Mexico. You did? Mostly, yeah. I was born in Jersey and lived two years in Alaska. My dad was in the service. And then from third grade through high school, Albuquerque. See, I met you in New York and you seem like such a New Yorker to me.

Well, no, I always had a line in because my family was from Jersey. So I was there all the time. And New York was important to me. But I ended up there in like 89. You were one of the big guys when I was in New York. I was never a big guy in New York. I know you think that you weren't, but you were. You and Dave.

In the alt scene, maybe. But in terms of like actual club work, why? When did you start? Let me see. 97. Oh, well, yeah, I was. Big time? Well, I could work at the cellar by then.

Yeah, yeah. But, you know. Yeah. That's when he started? 97, yeah. That's when little Kyle Dunnigan showed up with his guitar? Yeah. I was very pushed away from what I do naturally, because I do love music.

I do impressions. And these things were not looked upon as a good idea, because back then, to get a deal, you talk about yourself and your problems and everything. No, that's not. Okay, right. I get it. Managers were like, put the guitar down. What's your point of view? Yes.

All that. And really, I'm more like a Dana Carvey kind of guy. Yeah. And imagine Dana Carvey trying to do that stuff. No, I know. It doesn't quite fit. Well, I mean, I guess New York is not the... It's weird. You should have went to San Francisco. It doesn't quite fit. Well, I mean, I guess New York is not the, it's weird.

You should have went to San Francisco. It would have changed everything for you. Yeah. I'm just now doing what I should be doing, I feel like. Yeah. Finally. Finally. Well, I'm only 47, so.

But it's weird where you choose to start because like I, you know, after New York, like I hit the wall in New York. Yeah. And eventually I was like, fuck it. And I went to San Francisco and they just love people who don't fit in. Oh, okay. You fucked up. We need to go back in time.

You'd be on SNL now if you'd just gone to San Francisco. Yeah. Does that hurt your feelings? A little bit. I had an audition there that was so bad. Let's go back to the beginning, Kyle. Yes.

Dig deep. You seem like, I can't. You seem like you might be adverse to that no go ahead no do you go to therapy uh not right now but you have i have because of women problems mostly yeah my father was sick and dying and uh that brought me into it and and then i had like yeah your dad when was that uh 98 holy fuck it's been a long time yeah 20 years how old was he he was like 59 holy shit yeah with what brain tumor what mccain had really the same thing yeah it's aggressive and bad that's terrible i'm sorry it's a comedy

podcast right no okay not necessarily have you listened, I have actually. I don't listen to podcasts. I listen to you, Joe Rogan. It's, I don't know why. There goes your week. Between me and Joe Rogan, that's what, 90 hours? Yeah. He does like, what does he do, six hours? Yeah, we did a lot.

I did at one point say like, is it over soon? But I love that. I mean, he. Well, it's like the old days, like doing a three hour radio show. Yeah. Music kind of hang out. Someone else comes by and you just hang out and they talk to him and low pressure.

Yeah. Yeah. I'm starting a podcast and I'm thinking of doing like 40 minutes because, um, what happened to the, uh, professor blast off? Oh,

that ended, uh, maybe like five years ago. Really? It was been that long? Were you a listener? Yeah. Yeah, I listened to most of the one I was on.

Oh, that's right. I forgot you were on it. See? See how we forget? You barely even did the fucking show. Yeah, yeah. But I think Tig was gone. It was me and you and Huntsberger, and I don't remember who else.

Yeah. Yeah, that's it. Just the three of us? I don't think Tig was there. Was she? She must have been. Oh, maybe she was, yeah. You never did it without her? No. else yeah yeah that's it yeah just the three of us i don't think tig was there was she she must have been oh maybe she was yeah you never did it without her no i just remember we were talking about uh farting in relationships you know it was a deep oh i remember that because i had a situation

where yeah you know mike burton comedian he used to fart on uh me and my friend just we live in the same building we'd take a nap yeah hard we were working he would like fart on uh me and my friend just we live in the same building we'd pick a nap yeah hard we were working he would like fart on us that it was same kind of guy that would write on your face if you were drunk exactly so we got like into this vietnam kind of sleep where you know so i was dating this girl and um yeah she buried maybe a month in and she farted yeah like 1 a.m and i I screamed. I threw the covers up. I was like, ah! And then I realized where I was and jumped back down into like a fetal position.

And she must have knew she farted because she didn't say, you know, why'd you scream? Yeah. She farted in her sleep. Yeah. Which, look. What? It's natural. It's not fun.

It's just something you got to suck up. You know what I mean? Well, there's a point in every relationship where you just gotta deal with that. Yeah, but it's rare to find a woman that just like blows them, you know, like dudes do. Like here we are, and then just on the couch, just farting at each other. Have you had that kind of love?

No. Yeah, I mean you know they do it, and they smell, and you know they have their things, but they always carry a little shame, I think. And I'm generalizing, but I think most men after a certain point, it's like it's little shame, I think. And I'm generalizing, but I think most men after a certain point, it's like it's coming out and it's going to be in the car.

It's going to be during a walk. Do you have a talk? Or you just surprise like during a walk? After a certain point? No, no, just go. Yeah. You got to get to that point where you just go. Are you dating now?

This is my podcast. Yeah. I've been with this woman, Sarah, for like four years okay yeah how far in was it like we fart no i do i mean she's not she still keeps it no it's just yeah i mean i know she does it somewhere you know but we you know you've never heard her fart in four years no wow no she's good yeah i feel bad i mean i'm not i'm not i'm not saying like god damn it don't you ever no you're not forcing her to no i'm not saying that yeah she's just making an effort

yeah this is like our this is like our morning radio style warm-up for a real conversation yeah yeah this is you edit these down right i'm just trying to get you comfortable i know you're used to doing a lot of radio and Corolla show, and you're doing voices and stuff. I just want to do whatever needs. I need time to get into a warm-up. So if we could just take that, I'd appreciate it. Sure.

Throw out any names, I'll do a voice. Well, but where did you grow up? I grew up in Connecticut. Which part? Weston. It's near Westport. So that's fancy. It was, but I was, we were one of the poor kids compared, we heard the other kids.

Really? I didn't know that we were pretty wealthy until I got out of town. Like my friends had mansions and this one guy had a pool with an island in the middle. Oh, wow. That Olivia de Havilland got married on. And we had none of that. We had a small plane. It was like one engine.

You had a small plane? Yeah, it was like a tiny one. But you had a plane? Yeah, but we had no pool. But your dad had a plane? Yeah, but we had like, the house was like only four bedrooms. Uh-huh.

Wow, sounds rough. No pool? No pool. But did you park the plane in the back? No. Was the plane up on bricks? Like, was it up on a lift on a jack? Yeah, next to the boat.

It never gets used in pieces? A wheel? I would never. Did you have a boat? No. No boat? No. Who flew?

My father flew. How many kids in the family? Three of us. I'm the youngest. How are the other ones doing? Brother's a cop. Really? Middle brother.

In Connecticut? Yes. And he's so stressed out i have to say i don't know man it never ends for cops i mean think about that job i know you know that's just the the the thing about the job of cop is that you know that what you do there's never is never going to be resolved there's always going to be crime yeah so there's no point in your life at your job where you're like yeah i think we got a handle on this i did it yeah it's good yeah you go to where people are being assholes that's your job you know 25 years they've been like hey you know go here

what city uh uh heart near hartford. It's called Windsor. Oh, okay. I know Windsor. Yeah. I was in Hartford. So like he's got domestic abuse calls. Yeah. There's some gang stuff too.

Yeah. So it's high crime there. So he's out in there putting his hand on his gun as he approaches cars. Yeah. Yeah. That's dangerous. I mean. It's the most dangerous, really.

My friend, you know, you were shooting this thing and and this is in la but he he was dressed as a cop yeah fake gun cops pulled us over and they were like is that a real gun and he goes no this is a toy and he touched it and there was a gun in his face like that you cop stopped you just put your hands in the air there's a lawsuit sue them later but just don't put your hands in your pockets it happened pretty quick huh it was unbelievable and he was a cop

this guy Justin McKinney he's a comedian now I know Justin yeah how's he doing he's doing great he's in New Hampshire

I saw him yeah he sells theaters in New Hampshire he's got a good following where the fuck did I see him like he I think he

you know he stopped by I was surprised and yeah I think it must have been in New Hampshire because I remember him from New York, too. Yeah.

There was another cop. Diresta was a cop. Yes. Joe Diresta. He was in the car, too. It's funny you mention it. Yeah. We were doing a cop show or something.

Two cops in the car. Yeah. And no one thought to not go for the fake gun. No. John Diresta put his hands on the ceiling immediately. Right when the guy walked out? Justin screwed up. Because he was dressed as a cop as well. Yes. Yeah. It was scary. to put his hands on the ceiling immediately. Right when the guy walked up? Yes, just in the... Because he was dressed as a cop as well.

Yes. Yeah. It was scary. But this is like, it's when a cop pulls you over, just know they're so stressed out. They just go to this domestic thing. The guy's throwing his feces on the floor.

And then you go there and then you go somewhere else where they're calling you just the the the the the knowledge that that cops you know after a certain point you would think you would have seen everything but you haven't because people are a quote that i've been using a lot from michael clayton like people are fucking incomprehensible so you like you know like you think that there's some sort of kind of like a context for human behavior until you like yeah you find the guy throwing shit on himself you know with uh with something in his ass and he's about to set his dick on fire right and and you're like hey sir please can you can you put the torch down

yeah it's like i was on the phone with my brother, and he was like, I got to go. A guy's drinking cleaner fluid on his porch. I'm like, okay. On purpose. And then you go to the precinct, and they're all kind of being jerks to each other because they're all trying to let out this steam.

Sure, you got to bust balls, right, just to get some relief. They got to have therapy or meditation 20 minutes a day. It should be mandatory in precincts, I think, because they're dealing with so much stress. Are you saying they do it? They do meditate?

No, they should. It should be. Well, I think that there's been lots of attempts to integrate, you know, some sort of, you know,

mindful kind of like relief. Yeah. But like, you know, after a certain point, it's like, oh, fuck that. And on top of that, you go home

and the news is like, you're an asshole racist, basically. It's like the news about cops. So it's really a tough job. So, but he's all right? He's doing all right. I think he's got two more years till retirement. Oh. He's got like a countdown.

Is he a detective or? No, like patrol. Oh, really? So he doesn't want- He wanted to do that. Patrol. Yeah. Stay active.

Now he regrets it. But in the beginning, you're like- Maybe if he'd gone to. Patrol. Yeah. Stay active. Now he regrets it, but in the beginning you're like. Maybe if he'd gone to San Francisco. Yeah, I would have been the guitar. He would have been chilled out. Man. What's the other brother do? That's a sister. Oh, when did that happen?

Used to be a brother. Just kidding. All right. She's a teacher. She had kids and everything. That's nice. She's older. Yeah.

Older? But you know her. Yeah, but we weren't as close. Me and my brother talk every day. Every day? Pretty much, yeah. When he's out in the car? Yeah. Yeah. Just give him a quick call. Where you headed?

Yeah. Going on a call. Diarrhea town. Be right back. What is that? It's just, I mean, I just feel bad for him, but. Yeah. He's a good guy. Yeah. Really good guy. Well, that's nice that

you talk to him every day yeah so you grew up in the house with the plane we had the plane a small plane and your mom mom was a mother what what grades does your sister teach she teaches like special like autism kids oh yeah that's uh yeah, yeah. That's important. That's another easy job. Oh, my God. They both just signed up for it. I know. And then I signed up for vacation. Yeah, always.

That's my job. Just being a goofball. Yeah. It is kind of weird. What did your dad do? He was a lawyer. Oh. Yeah.

He did plane crashes, actually. That was his specialty. When he first started, he wasn't making that much money. At the very end of his life, he started to make money. And he did the Lockerbie crash. Really? He was on the council.

And then he was lead council. The Lockerbie one, that was a bomb, right? Yeah. So he was representing people who were on the flight? No. He was on the bad guy side, the insurance side on that one. Oh, really? He was part of the team, but he didn't like it,

and he switched over to doing the other side, the plaintiffs. And he was lead counsel on the Croatia crash. I don't remember that one. It was like Ron Brown, some senators were in the plane. Was that shot down? No, they hit a mountain. Oh. And my father figured out there was outdated maps,

so they were liable the the plane company and so what happens when they're liable is the widows get the money that the person would have earned so this plane was filled with like 17 multi-millionaires oh yeah i do kind of remember that yeah and so the first you know widow got like 17 million dollars and then my dad got the brain tumor so he couldn't finish the case that was in a settlement the brain tumor yeah it was part of the whole package and my my father got like he had to split the money with that because you get like a third so we got like five million dollars that one person and there's there's 16 more so he would have made like 60 million dollars that one person and there's there's 16 more so he would have made like 60 million dollars had he lived but he he you know luckily made an you know enough to like

two million to like take care of my mom and stuff because she's still around yeah yeah that's nice same house she knocked down their the her like childhood home and built a house oh not the one you grew up in? No. She's in Westport now, like down the street. That's nice. Westport's pretty. You got the little town. You got the aging actresses and actors there.

Yeah. Paul Newman was there. No longer, yeah. Died. Who's the other aging actress you're thinking of? I don't know. I dated a girl from, my first girlfriend's mother was sort of an actress and involved with the theater

and she ended up in Westport. I don't think she's there anymore. But, like, you know, they were around, it seemed. Yeah, yeah. Like the Arkans, aren't they? Yeah. Yeah. What's her name?

The Martha Stewart. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Yeah. Westport Playhouse. Yes. I'm sure she worked there. That must have been it.

I think she, yeah, she might have been involved with that at some point. My mother did tickets there when she was 12. When she was 12? Yeah. And was she an actress? She wanted to be, yeah. Oh. So she pushed her little boy into it.

She pushed you into it? Yes. Oh. Did she do commercials when she drove you into New York? She made me read commercials. Did she? She did a little bit, pushed me a little bit. All right, so you're growing up.

Your brother was athletic, the cop? No, he was like smoke or tough guy. He was like, what's that? We both have the same voice, but he brought his down when he turned 14. He's like, what's that? We talked the exact same. Then suddenly he came home and said,

I talk like this? No. I'm going to be a cop one day. Pick up diarrhea. Yeah. What's a diarrhea riff? I don't know why, but I just imagine. He had to go on a call like that, and it stuck in my head.

There's a diarrhea problem? Someone's throwing diarrhea. Someone's throwing it. They're throwing their feces. That's like kind of in us. I mean, it's a monkey thing, and we're 98% monkey. Yeah. I never think to really touch my-

Throw your, no? No. Like if I wipe and get some on my finger, I'm sort of like, well, that's interesting. Maybe I'm not doing this right. You think it's interesting. Well, yeah, well, it's sort of like, you get fascinated, like the body's kind of amazing.

It just breaks everything down into this mess and we move on. Yeah. The body's doing a lot of work without us even doing anything. It is amazing how much is going on. I never think to throw it, no. And I don't think to pee on things.

Okay, well maybe you're more evolved. So you did 23andMe? I did, and there was no, like on the checklist of things I wanted to know about myself, the medical checklist, one of them was throwing feces, and I checked that. Yeah, no one in your family. No chromagdon? No, well I'm sure there was, but we, and I checked that. Yeah. No one in my family. No one in your family. No, uh-uh. No Cro-Magnon?

No. Well, I'm sure there was, but we're not going back that far. Do you like being, like, have, because you have a Jewish thing. Like, you're Jewish, and you have this thing. Uh-huh. I'm very, like, I don't have a thing. That's clear. Yeah.

You're a guy in search of a thing. That's why you do all the voices. Yeah. I don't exist. I do other people. Right. Well, I mean, you do exist. I mean, I get a sense of who you are. Oh, okay.

Yeah. But in terms of genetically, I'm a mutt. What was the breakdown? It's all over. It's Irish, Italian. Really? You're a classic sort of first wave immigrant. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, it's like all the cultures that came here in the first wave of immigration in the 1800s or whatever. They all had sex. Yeah, there's a lot of Irish Italians mated. What's the other one? Is it mostly Irish? No, there's just a lot of European, different Norwegian and all over the place.

Really? Norwegian too? Yeah. Man. Bunch. You run the gamut. A lot of mating. Well, when did your people come here?

Well, my grandparents, great grandparents came over on both sides. From? Italy and Ireland. Okay. Ireland. Yeah. Have you been? No, I want to go.

I think you could probably live there if you want to. Can't you? How much Irish do you have? Done again. That's Irish, right? Yay. Yeah. I think you could probably just live there if you wanted.

Maybe I will. You can get citizenship. Can I play the guitar there? Is it like? Yeah, they love it. You just have to change the rhythm. So your mom is Italian? Yeah.

Mostly. Mostly. Mostly. Yeah. So you had Italian grandparents? Yes. That's nice? Yeah, mostly. Mostly, yeah. Mostly. Yeah. So you had Italian grandparents? Yes. That's nice. Yeah, great food.

Where'd they live? Westport. Oh, yeah? Mm-hmm. And the other ones? In Boston area. The Irish, of course, in Boston. Newton.

Yeah, that's pretty good. Tough guy, brother, sister, who you don't really know that well. Mm-hmm. Don't want to talk to her. Yeah. Well, I love her, but yeah, we's pretty good. Tough guy, brother, sister, who you don't really know that well. Mm-hmm. Don't want to talk to her. Yeah. Well, I love her, but yeah, we don't speak. What's the age difference between you and her?

Six years. That's not that bad. And your brother? A year and a half. Oh, right. So you guys are right there. And he, I was supposed to be an abortion. They told my mother they should abort me

because she almost died having him. Oh, really? So they said, you got gotta get rid of this one you gotta yeah you gotta take this one out yeah luckily she's gambled yeah is it though i don't know maybe it's not i didn't ask to be here it's been it's been hard right it's not i mean you're at this point is hard you're 46 and you just want to do your voices and have people recognize you for it and yeah and you know i don't know life's have people recognize you for it. Yeah. And, you know, I don't know. Life's hard.

I think this is very, we're living in a very soft time. This new generation is, we're doing them a disservice, making them think that life is easy. It's really hard. I don't know. I think they're adapting in a different way. I think that every generation, like I think that there's a lot of things that they have easier that's not necessarily that great. I don't think they have any capacity for context in terms of history. I think that the internet has made everything very present and very trivial in a way that there's no reason for them

to, uh, to sort of take note of what delivered them here, the nature of the struggle. And, uh, you know, they're, they're paralyzed by convenience and completely plugged into a lot of uh kind of temporary and uh short-sighted bullshit yeah i think it's really hard is that just old guy talk no i think i think i think you make a good point i think it's really hard to grow up where i mean just just the idea of like the likes and stuff when you're a teenager having to deal with all that and everything's, so like it's like everything is available all the time and there's all these things that you know and you grow up, you know, engaging with screens.

You don't have, you know, the sort of realm of your imagination is limited to the compulsion to put everything that you think out into the world. Yeah. And porn, I mean, when we were growing up, I would rip out pieces in G glamour and hide them under my bed right or your porn magazine like you get hold of some weird I'm a little older so you get

hold of some weird Betamax tape and you're like oh my god and now like it's uh I am very suspect to why there's so much porn and you know like in the fucking 80s there was a goddamn meese commission about pornography in this culture and the dangers of it and there was this whole conservative right-wing push to rid us of porn and now all of a sudden it's just okay for it to be everywhere yeah and anyone did a study about because now is the time to deal with kids that grew up where they were like oh that actress is hot let me see her naked yeah yeah i've done a personal study porn will fuck your head up oh you did your own research? Yeah, definitely.

It's conclusive. Yeah. I saw it when I was very young, 14. And it was even harder, well, much harder to find, but I got hold of some. But at least you had to work for it. Oh, yeah. No doubt. But outside of that, so young Kyle, what's he doing?

What was I doing as a child? What were you doing in high school? Were you a song and dance man? You know, embarrassingly, I kind of was. I know. I mean, I took tap and jazz with my mother when I was 13, and I didn't want to. Wow.

I was a follower. I sort of did what my mother told me to do because your parents are, that's how you survive. You please them. I was a follower. I sort of did what my mother told me to do. Because your parents are, that's how you survive. You please them. And I just got this message to sort of listen. Have you considered maybe you're gay or no? I consider it all the time.

The only thing holding me back is that I find the female body more attractive. But that's other than that. That's it. It seemed like a good idea. Yeah. I think my dad, because my dad found my porn under my bed i think he he was relieved nothing's against gay people but i think he was worried maybe this would be tough for this kid all right yeah my cap dancing son yes my jazz my jazz son jazz hands so i i think uh so he's like, the kid's all right. So he found it and he tucked it back under? He gave me like a wink.

And he let you keep it? Yeah, yeah. I think he did. That was cool. Pictures of girls in their underwear. So you're going to tap and jazz with your mom. What age is that? Humiliated.

Like 13. Oh. Like too old. And she convinced you that it'd be a fun thing? Didn't have to convince. I literally did not think for myself to like, until recently I would even say, I literally did not think for myself till I, till recently, I would even say,

I'm still kind of working on it. I didn't really think to do, like, I would like music, but I would never think to buy it.

Right. I, and my mother sort of, amazing mother, but like, this one area of, sort of,

guiding me where to go, think i didn't i got the message that my voice didn't really matter they did a uh a study in the 70s which you never do now but they would have a mother rattle a rattle in front of the baby yeah and the all babies do this in stages they do the same thing is this part of your research to figure out what your problem is well accidentally yeah like when i heard this, I was like, oh, that's me. That happened to me. Like what now? So they rattle the rattle from the baby

and the baby's like and laugh. Yeah. And keep rattling. Yeah. They start to push it away. Yeah. They make them just keep rattling. All babies then cry.

Yeah. They have to keep rattling and then all babies drool and numb out. Uh-huh. And I was like numbed out. Like I would go- From all the, what do you call it?

From the stimulus. Just like, for example- Your mother's needs. Yeah, and just like her example, I would go, I'm going to go outside. She'd be like, do you want to get a jacket? No, I'm good. You should get a jacket. It's called out.

No, I don't want a jacket. Let me get you a jacket. No, don't give me a jacket. And then I'm walking out and there get a jacket. It's called out. No, I don't want a jacket. Let me get your jacket. No, don't give me a jacket. And then I'm walking out and there's a jacket being put on me. You get the message. Your voice doesn't really. That's interesting. I never thought of that.

But I mean, on some level, that seems relatively maternal. It is. And it's a now. I think most mothers do this. But when it comes to like, you're going to jazz dance. No, I don't want to do jazz. Never even thought to say no. I thought it.

I don't. So you're already, the hooks were i don't want to do jazz never even thought to say no i thought it i don't so you're already the hooks were in yeah i was a robot oh you're so you're saying at some point you just entered a state of post-traumatic stress from your mother's needs to to make you do what she wanted you to do drooling numbed out right so by 13 you're like what are you what are we doing and I want to be clear. I have a great mother. I love my mother. There's nothing malicious.

It just, I, and some other kid, you know, my brother said, you know, screw off. So your brother was the one that's like, fuck you guys. Yeah, yeah. I'm smoking cigarettes and hanging out with these ne'er-do-wells. Exactly. And you're like, I'm going to go dance. Yeah, you know, yeah, you got to stick it to him at some point, pal. Are you getting me now?

Are you starting to understand my behavior now and the guitar playing and everything and the voices? Almost. Yeah. Yeah, but I mean- You're closer to it. Well, I'm closer to it, but so tap and jazz at 13, then what happens in junior high and high school?

I remember a guy, not to keep harping, but he gave my tap shoes back just to get them put on. And he goes, one day I'm going to see you on Broadway. And I remember thinking, oh, gross. I didn't say it, but I was like, I don't want to be dancing. Did you go to musicals with your mom? I went, yeah. In New York?

Was it like, we're going to the city to see Guys and Dolls? Exactly, yeah. And then I majored in like, we're going to the city to see Guys and Dolls? Exactly. Yeah. And then I was in school. I majored in theater and I just did not like it at all. Where, in college? Yeah, I went to- But what happened in high school?

Were you like- I was, that was actually doing the theater shows gave me a sense of myself for the first time. So you were a theater nerd in high school? Yeah, I was the leader of the nerds i was the head of i was the president of company which was the really theater group and you think that your mother was this was her encouragement you know yes and no i def i'm glad that that i she got me into this business and everything but um yeah i think it was uh had a big part of it

so you did several shows in high school song and dance man some musicals dancing up a storm really yeah you still dance or no i never was very good there was a guy he was a head of alvin ailey and he did the choreography which is amazing at your high school in weston the chairman of alvin ailey did so why because he lived in the area he was? He was friends with the director. So he just came up to do some charity work for us. White, no rhythm kids. Right. And we did all, we did The Wiz.

I was the scarecrow. We did flower drum songs. We were Asians. We did Fiorello and I played a Jewish person. I never played a white person. Oh, so that's sort of an interesting key. So what was the Jewish person and what? Morris Cohen. In which show? Flower Drum Song.

Did you talk like that? I'm Morris Cohen. I'm Morris Cohen. Oh, no. What do we do next? Really? You did that? I did that. Is that racist? I don't know. Not when you're in high school, I guess. Maybe it would be now. Be insensitive. It's very insensitive. I mean, I imagine with all those shows everybody would just have to have flat affect.

Yeah. Yeah. We had, I mean, we did Asians and those white kids are, they made us do the makeup. It was, it was not, would not be done today.

They put tape on your heads? They didn't, they didn't do tape, but they did like makeup. Oh, really? Like King and I shit? Yes, exactly. Yeah.

And then the, on, I think it was Flower Drum Song, I had a solo and the chairman of Alvin Ailey was kind of going around the stage writing the dance for me. And then the, I think it was Flower Drum Song, I had a solo and the chairman of Alvin Ailey was kind of going around the stage writing the dance for me. Yeah, yeah.

And he's like, oh, this is going to be hot, he said to me. And so I did the dance and halfway through the audience is just laughing. They're laughing at my dance. And then-

So not hot? Not hot. And at the break I go, I'm sorry, I don't know. And he's like, no, it was supposed to be funny. And it's like, no, it was supposed to be funny. It was not. He said it was going to be hot.

Yeah. That's what he promised. I still know the dance. I still know the move. I want to do it. I wish I could. I'll do it later for you. Well, yeah.

How are you ever going to forget something that scarred you so intensely? Yeah. The first time you get just a room full of unintentional laughs when you're being serious and really. It hurts. Oh, man. Because I started that dance like, this is going to be hot. I was like, told.

Parents laughing at a kid who was trying to be a hot dancer. How old? What year was that? That was 17. That was senior year. Wow. Wow is right. Wow.

But you had had some experience uh with being funny on purpose uh you know i did get voted class clown that kind of thing and but i was when i was in eighth grade i mean when you're doing shows and you know you do comedies when you're doing morris what's his calling yeah i mean you must have got is that was that i got some laughs on that was it is it comedy or no? Yeah, that was a comedic part, yeah. Right. And then we had like a talent show.

My friends were like, you should do stand up. Again, not my idea. In high school? High school, yeah. Oh, okay. And I just did what people told me to do. Sure.

It was a weird thing. So that's what you are. A follower, yes. Yeah, a follower. I'm actually, I've broken it though, now that I'm aware of it. I have the tendency, but I'm now, I can point to it and go home to it. Like instinctually, yes. Yeah, a follower. I'm actually, I've broken it though, now that I'm aware of it. I have the tendency, but I'm now, I can point to it and go home to it.

Like instinctually when someone goes, come on, let's do, you're like, wait a minute, let me think it through. Yeah, do I want this? Kyle doesn't want to do that. Yeah, Kyle. But he will. I speak in the third person.

Kyle doesn't like to dance. But if you keep telling me I should, I will. Yeah. But so you've done, you should, I will. Yeah. But so, so you've done, you're doing characters in high school. I would do impressions and stuff like Michael Jackson, this girl I really liked,

like my Michael Jackson impression in like seventh grade. Oh, so you were like, you were always, you had it turned on all the time. That was your, that was your method of communicating, of getting attention.

Yes. Cause you could, you could, you could like, if you're not unlike method of communicating, of getting attention and- Yes. Because you could, like if you're not unlike many of us, like you've got the full spectrum of high school nightmare cliques around. Yeah. And you could entertain all of them. I was tiny.

Yeah. I felt invisible and this was a way of- I'm glad you grew out of that. I'm like 140 soaking wet but I graduated high school at 110 a heavy 110 it was a bean pole but everyone knew you

because you were funny it was a pretty small school 110 people so people knew me so there was no monsters no it wasn't too bad no football team there was but they were terrible with it wasn't too bad, but I did- No football team? There was, but they were terrible.

With 110 students? Yeah. Or is that just your class? Class. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So, okay, so you're- Dancing away. You're a song and dance man.

And what happened with the standup experience in high school? You did it? It was bad. I wrote 20 minutes that day. And we know that you don't do that. Was it at a talent show situation? It was a talent show. Okay.

Yes. So I went out and I did like some stuff and it was going well and then the host of the show came out and she said, Mrs. Ola's about to suspend you. You can't.

It was in the middle of, stopped the show dead. Person whispering in my ear. Because you're in the middle of your act and you're killing? Yeah, it was going well and I was doing stuff and what were you doing i remember doing impressions of some teachers and stuff like that you know the easy stuff yeah well no it's not easy but like in that context it was looked at as a attack on authority exactly because you got to the principal and then someone said, stop him. Well, they were upset about my language,

which wasn't even that, I think I said like penis or something like that. That was it? And she laughed and I told the audience, I'm like, I'm not allowed to say penis anymore. So I told them what she said, trying to get a laugh. Yeah, did you?

So then I started to say just other words for penis and then they dragged me off stage. They dragged you off? They dragged me off stage they dragged you off they dragged me off my the the no the there was two hosts of the talent show how they like physically yeah i mean i kind of let them drag me you know i mean they're just part of the act yeah here i go making a bit yeah then i got suspended for like two days really you're like the lenny bruce of your small high school yeah you know edgy i amgy I am. Yeah, man. Yeah. That's crazy. Breaking the law.

So your mom, when you were- My mom was there luckily because she saw that I wasn't that bad. So when you got suspended, she said, let's go get some ice cream and maybe dance a little? Yeah. She, yeah. We danced.

And then there was a guy there, James Naughton. You know, that was an actor. Sure. I remember that guy. He's like, he's one of those Westport guys, right? Yes. He stuck up for me which i really appreciate at that point he wasn't the one in uh american werewolf in london

that was his brother david notton oh yeah he was in a plan of the apes the tv show he played a non-ape james was yes yeah he would direct he would like coach us acting we had an amazing for a high school like theater department we had an amazing, for a high school theater department, we had an amazing help. It was great. But then I got to college, and I did not like my acting experience in college. It didn't fit in.

So you graduated. You're suspended. You put that on your resume. You got suspended for a stand-up act. I was upset. I didn't do stand-up for like five years after that because of- But you graduate, and you what? Did you apply at other places?

Yale? No. No. I don't read well. You mean you have dyslexic or? I have something, I think. I never got tested, but like. Undiagnosed?

You don't have the will to read? I don't have. I went to like try to get untimed. What does that mean? SAT tests. You like try to get untimed. What does that mean? SAT tests, you can get them like untimed. Because I did well for what I read, but I couldn't finish in time. I tested out of my language requirement in college. Oh, really?

I just couldn't wrap my brain around it, dude. I could not. I'd fuck, I could not. What was the? I couldn't do symbolic logic. I couldn't do mathematics after a certain point. Language, like I was, I chose French and like I was just sort of like, I couldn't do symbolic logic. I couldn't do mathematics after a certain point. Language. I chose French.

And I was just sort of like, you could take a test that would show that you're mentally incapable. Yeah. To get out of the requirement. And I did that. I tried to charm my teacher, but he wouldn't have it. You just did terrible in French? I just couldn't do it. I didn't understand like the grammar the

tenses it was like you know it was a lot of work you well that's that's that's that's school you gotta learn it yeah i know if i couldn't like sort of uh song and dance my way through a class a little arts education through bullshit and uh uh you know like i couldn't write a paper it was just like usually if it was like a 10 page paper it would be like nine pages of of pretty good opening paragraphs that never really yeah zeroed in on a point yeah i couldn't do it i didn't do well in that either no you don't need that there's so much you don't need and why do they not teach kids how to deal with their emotions? There's no, they don't take an hour to go, hey, here's what's going to come up. And here's how you, here's some techniques to deal with it or whatever.

They just go, here's Charlemagne, his year he was emperor or whatever. I just don't, we got to be going that way, right? Right. What? Teaching kids about their emotions? Yeah. And how to deal with life. Like being overwhelmed. Real life lessons.

No, I haven't, no. You got to get those on the street. Why? Why can't you get them in school? I think that's true. I think you're right. I don't, no one prepared me for anything. Maybe it's your parents' job.

I don't fucking know. All I know. I'm not yelling at you, by the way. No, I know. But all I know is that, you know, I got out of college and I moved to LA and I didn't even know how to get an apartment. I didn't know how to get a bed. A mortgage.

Well, that just happened. That was like I was in my 40s. I know. Why don't they teach seniors about mortgages? I looked at a place in Venice. How about how just to buy a bed that's not like a futon on the floor or how not to live out of boxes? That should be a class.

How to buy a bed? 10.30 AM. Yeah. I looked at a place. It was between Santa Monica and Venice. Okay. Half a block from the beach. It was $286,000 for two level, two bedroom in 2001.

I thought I had to pay the whole thing. Me too. I used to do a bit about that. Why didn't they tell us? When people told me they bought houses i go how much they'd go like a million five and be like where'd you get like i thought it was like a drug deal you showed up with a duffel bag yeah of hundreds yeah no i had no idea that place is worth two million dollars now and if i just knew about a mortgage i'd be be like, okay, I'll take that. Yeah. You know. Yeah. At that point, it was probably zero down, and I just, great. Unbelievable. No.

Who? Oh, man. It's just archaic what they teach. So many things it sounds like in your life. If you'd gone to San Francisco with a guitar, and then someone told you- I do sound like a San Francisco guy. How you'd, you know, to do a mortgage, it would have been a different world for you. Yeah.

And my dancing, everything I should have gone to. Dancing. I blew it. that blew it you blew it i didn't know any better but you can still dance i bet i can actually i can move well and i'm not afraid to say that yeah like i just i can i have a natural gift yeah so what was the um why did you have a problem with the undergraduate degree you got in theater arts okay here's a class yeah movement for the actor it's called yeah they'd put on a tape for 45 minutes of sounds and you have to move around how you feel

so it's like and people are just moving around the room now guidance? No, you move around to the, you feel what you, like that kind of crap. And then in this other class, we would read a book, like this one guy read Death of a Salesman. Uh-huh. No, it was the Stella

streetcar named Desire. Yeah, right. So then you have to come in with your interpretation. So he wrote on a mirror and lipstick, whore, and then he pulled on his pants

and humped the mirror and then turned around and told us to go F ourselves and ran out of the room. And he got an A. That was his interpretation of the, this was where I was. It's raw, it's raw. Yeah, I mean, he took a big risk there.

They didn't teach me how to get a resume or how to get a picture, how to get an agent, none of that. I just left like, and if I, you know, I was still in that state of like being a follower so I just stayed there instead of going this is

I want out of here but you didn't learn anything no come on I didn't learn anything I learned to do plays yeah

this one do scene study like not even well this one guy was like oh if you say if you crack your voice you sound more emotional so we would go around the room saying farewell he'd point to you and you crack your voice, you sound more emotional.

So we would go around the room saying farewell. He'd point to you and you'd go, farewell. And you'd go. Great. I wanted you to do it. Oh, okay. Farewell. Farewell.

See? That was a class. Now, why I didn't leave. Four years I did that. And then what happens? And I just left. Yeah. and then where did you go? You just wandering around? I went to New York.

I was like, where's Marc Maron? You went to New York. So you just moved after college with no plan. I'm going to be an actor. Was that it? Yeah. You had a great plan. Where are my tap shoes?

Yeah, nobody, you got to, there's no tap work in New York. There's a little. It doesn't pay well. Savion Glover and the other guy do it though. Yeah, you can't tap your way New York. There's a little. It doesn't pay well. Savion Glover and the other guy do it, though. Yeah. You can't tap your way to like a- Yeah, people still dance.

But you know, I started to realize, like, you know, people still want to be dancers. But you can like, you know, there's like Broadway shows. There's Vegas shows. They got dancers on boats. You know, I guess, it doesn't seem like a, like it seems like a very small kind of talent pool. But, you know, people still want it.

No one's doing anything new either. You've seen all the moves. You can see them on video. Yeah, yeah. Someone's doing something new. New with dance. This guy can spin 30 times without falling. Yeah, but that's just flashy.

That's ballet stuff. I mean, there's still like honor the form kind of stuff, but we're not talking about Rockette's stuff. We're talking about Alvin Ailey. They're probably doing something good. Oh, I'm sure yeah they're but who's going who's going i i don't i don't i don't want to watch dance yeah i mean i i i can go but i'm not i'm not seeking it out i'm not checking you know schedule you're not checking the dance no um shows i should i feel like i should though maybe we should go to a dance together and just see how it is i don't but you might end up crying

and stuff that was that a problem no i'll probably cry too i'm more likely to a dance together and just see how it is. But you might end up crying and stuff. Is that a problem? No, I'll probably cry too. I'm more likely to cry at a musical just because there's so many people exuding joy. That's what you're afraid of. You're afraid of crying? No, no. I cry all the time. But I never, you know, when I should.

When's the last time you cried? I got choked up the other day. What the hell was going on? I was watching a movie. It was Amy Schumer's movie, of all things. Which one? I get choked up the other day. What the hell was going on? I was watching a movie. It was Amy Schumer's movie, of all things. Which one? I get choked up pretty easy. I watched...

No, the pretty one. Oh, okay. What was it called? Am I pretty? I feel pretty. I feel pretty, yeah. I thought she did a great job. She's a great actress.

I mean, like, I've seen her stuff, and I know that movie got a bad rap and whatever, but in terms of her comedic acting performance right and they played it so straight it was kind of impressive it was you know it like it was it was a pretty you know big conceit real fairy tale shit but they played outside of that they played it pretty straight yeah and uh i thought it was very effective and funny yeah i thought it was good too but and you worked with her for a long time. Yeah, a long time.

A long time. Well, let's get there because we're going to be here all day if we don't. I know. Look. You tired already? You know how busy I am. I know. What do you got to do?

I got to go pick up some wood. Really? I bought some reclaimed wood. You're going to do some work? We're going to do an accent wall in my house. Really? Yeah. Oh.

You think I'm just a song and dance man. I do like woodwork and stuff you're gonna do woodwork yeah i'd like to build stuff does huntsberger come help you no he's a leather guy he's a yeah i don't need a leather guy he does leather yeah yeah he made me some leather things did he really i didn't even know that i had a podcast with him for three years you didn't know that he does some yeah he made me some leather coasters because he saw i had some that someone else had made me so he made me some. I'll show you on the inside. Trying to top the leather coasters. Well, it was like,

well, it was clearly, you know, he knew he could personalize. You know, he did a nice job with them. Yeah. Yeah, like, you know, like this stuff you get at Tandy, you know, where you just, you hit the hammer with the leather.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. He's a cowboy. You knew that. That's right. He is such a cowboy. But he's a real cowboy. Yeah.

He's moving out of here. My guess, he's montana yeah get back to the horses yeah that's where he belongs so all right so you got the wood okay so we'll get you out of here so you can get the wood but um so you go to new york and when do you start doing the comedy i started doing like sketch and improv where uh i joined different groups. There's one group I had to pay money to be in it. Yeah. Who does that? I don't know.

People pay money to get stage time. They bring friends. There's a lot of different, you know, you got to do what you got to do. And I got this other thing, this other group. I just realized there was no money in sketch and improv. Right. And so I was like, let me go back to try stand-up again. Yeah.

And I went to the comic trip because they were the ones who would let you audition the other clubs there wasn't any audition process of getting in so you get passed? I got passed and I started doing

you know some late night stuff and then I started to get better spots before I was ready I'm very thankful I remember it was Mosley Guitar right?

no I remember I was mostly guitar right no I remember I would in the beginning I started with the guitar but I got rid of it pretty quick I felt like this is shameful this is not what people do clearly I remembered it yeah yeah I in my mind somewhere I'm a dancing guitar player

just a guitar guy it's a guitar act right the guitar act yeah yeah I remember when I first started sitting around like even as late as like you know when you're dating Sarah Silverman I'm like the guitar guy, it's the guitar act, right? The guitar act? Yeah, yeah. I remember when I first started seeing you around, even as late as when you were dating Sarah Silverman, I'm like, the guitar guy? Yeah, yeah. It was like, when you're a comic that's so geared towards the real shit, the guitar, it never goes away,

the guitar guy. I mean, I'm okay with it, because I feel like if you're making people laugh, whatever you're doing is okay. I mean, I feel like I shouldn't have backed away from that and took the peer pressure. Is that what you think happened? I definitely, you know, the vibe in New York was you do not go up with a guitar on stage. So I just stopped doing it and tried to be like how other people were being and talk about it.

But my life, as you've heard, is not a great. Well, we didn't even talk about the plane. I mean, how often did you go up in the little plane? Not that much. Maybe like once a year. Yeah. Did your dad fly it a lot? Yeah, he flew it a lot.

Just to go to like New York or around? Yeah, he would go to his law stuff. Oh, that's nice. Yeah, it was cool. Denied to fly, but you never interested in it? No, I wouldn't even get in a plane like that now. Yeah. All right, so you give up the guitar against your wishes. You buckled because you just, you know.

Peer pressure follower. You know, I'm following the trends. I don't know if that's following. It's just sort of like you want to be a comic. So like comics you respect are like, maybe lose the guitar or something like that. And I was told to lose it too by managers and stuff like that. Really? Yeah. Who were your guys when you were coming was told to lose it too by managers and stuff like that. Really?

Yeah. Who were your guys when you were coming up? Who'd you like to watch and stuff? I mean, you. Really? Dave Attell. Oh, yeah. I did like Dana Carvey and stuff, but it just wasn't happening.

That kind of comedy wasn't happening in New York. So how'd you evolve? What were you doing? Because I kind of lost touch or interest. I can't remember. I'm sure it was interest. Very funny now. I did.

I like watching you when you go on now. Oh, thanks. I did a Conan O'Brien. I got that. And then that got me out to LA. Oh, okay. And what? 2000 something?

Yeah. 2000. And yeah, I just did some acting stuff. I did. I got some sketch shows. I did, I got some sketch shows. I did a set with the entertainer, presents. I joined mid-season. I thought I'd made it like a bunch of times.

I thought here comes the rocket ship. Well, yeah, right. But were you doing mostly impressions or just being yourself? No, I never was doing impressions on stage. Right. Or characters. I just did it for the auditions

and those were the auditions I was getting. Right. I never got a sitcom or anything where I had to read a script. As yourself. Never. Right. I only got shows that were like your character or your sketch up. So you got the Cedric thing and you're like.

And I did like Jamie Foxx had a sketch pilot that I did. Yeah. That was like, to get a part, it was like six auditions and i get there and there's no writers two of his friends who just got out of jail with the writers yeah and our first table read was there was no ending to sketches and jamie fox was coming once a week and he the first table he took through the script he goes fuck the script you do you and then he left and the exact like no you have to do the script we weren't allowed

to write for ourselves it was a WGA rules or something like that anyway Eric Andre was on the show too when it was over we were like what was that

what was that called yeah that was called it was the Afion Crockett show at one point in the flow where they changed it to it had a lot of iterations

it didn't go anywhere no I think it was on like one episode andre was on too yeah that must have been something it was the two of you just like what is happening yeah and then we go to the after party yeah it's a nice restaurant and we walk in late because we just were like said sweat and mustaches from the actual taping and jamie foxx is standing up long table and he's going down the table what's your favorite animal and everyone's just like a goat i mean a rac and he's going down the table, what's your favorite animal? And everyone's just like, a goat.

I mean a raccoon. He's all scared. And then he goes, what's your second favorite animal? Goes all around. And then he goes, the first animal is who you think you are. The second animal is who you actually are. I told Tom Cruise that, and he said it blew his mind. And that was it?

Yeah. And then thank you for helping out we're not going to be continuing yeah when we finished the the uh pilot he like made a speech and it was like fox executives were there yeah paying for these audiences to stay there yeah and he's making a speech about i told you so and it's not good but you did but reno kind of broke you a little right reno nine yeah though i look nothing like or sound anything like that character. No one ever recognized me. But you do a lot of characters now, especially now with this Instagram stuff,

where you're just like, even though you're, I don't even know what application you're using to make all that happen, but, you know. Face swap. Yeah. Oh, it's just that basic? It's called face swap, and they just put someone's face on your face. Oh, that's it?

Yeah. Yeah, but you can't really see you, but you can see you on some of the goofier ones where you're doing characters. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, they're very Dana Carvey-inspired-ish, like the news guy. Yeah, yeah. What's that guy's name? Oh, yeah, Craig. What's going on, you guys?

Yeah. So you just build those guys from the inside. Yeah. I remember, I always did that character, that Craig character. Yeah. You just didn't give him a job? No. My mother actually would do characters with me for like hours where I would think like,

we should stop doing this. Even as a child. What now? My mother would, we would do, she would like pull it like role play. And so I would, we would do she would like pull like role play uh-huh and so i would we would play like characters and stuff she would do characters too yeah how old were you six oh yeah so this was before this was before dancing yeah okay so it's more child play i would yeah yeah if you were doing that in high school would be no we. No, we didn't do that, no. That was pre-pubescence. But the writing stuff, so you're doing stand-up,

you're doing all the shows we all do, you're getting attention stand-up-wise. You're funny. A little bit. I mean, I never felt completely comfortable with what I was doing on stage stand-up-wise. I could never watch my sets. I did well enough to do shows and do okay.

Yeah, all the like Conanans and the this is and that's right yeah and but i um i recently i'm changing my actor you did commie central presents yeah i actually saw you there do you remember we did the same day you had which one i think i had two oh yeah the sheep what a bad idea that was it just didn't why were they telling us to put our we don't know what our background should be. Well, but most people are just sort of like,

I read into it, I'm thinking about the mise-en-scene, I think I'm like a rebel, so I'm the one sheep that's going the other way. But basically, it was just a big picture of the asses of sheep.

Yeah. And then there was a sheep on stage and no one stopped me. But we still remember it. Well, I look at it and I'm like, I'm doing my my stand-up routine and there's literally sheep's asses surrounding my fucking face you were the

sheep guy to me i'm the guitar guy to you you're the sheep guy i go oh the sheep guy i had a big it was a big plan but how how i thought in any world that anyone would read that properly and that i would think that much of myself as i am a rebel so like on the sheep that turned the other way and it just is like why is there a sheep up there you overestimated your audience it was just yeah i over it was just dumb no someone should have stopped me and just said just put you know mark maron up there that was like that once people just like put their names up there i'm like that's reasonable like i did i did two of those the first ones i put a sideshow banner on i'm like i want i want a freak show banner behind me because i feel you know like that yeah you shouldn't be in charge i mean you're great stand up but you

should not be in charge of set design i remember the right before i went on the lady goes you have my you have my favorite your set's my favorite and i got because i felt insecure i felt like oh would you have my comedy i thought you meant my set my stand-up set because they let you choose it that was the big thing with those first half hours. You can choose your set design. When I found out she meant my set design, I lost all confidence there. I had just my name and some stars. Little Christmas lights. Very basic.

I liked it. So you dated Sarah, but I don't really go in that direction. But you wrote for her. Yeah. On the first show as well? No. Later. No. The new one. Inside Amy Sheen was the first show I ever wrote for her. Yeah. On the first show as well? No. Later. No.

The new one. Inside Amy Sheen was the first show I ever wrote on as a writer. And she brought you in because she liked you. Yeah. Now, that was sort of always under fire. Uh-huh. Yeah. And how did that pan out when the accusations of theft of sketches happened?

Didn't you get slagged for the the magician one yeah that i mean i didn't because uh i think a lot of it's just like under the radar stuff but like that magician sketch that was my thing like i do magic hands or whatever but like i was there in the writing of it and the the part that's like in question here's what went down in the room yeah there's nine writers i can't even remember what was the magician bit the bit that's like in question, here's what went down in the room. Yeah. There's nine writers. I can't even remember what was the magician bit. The bit that was like someone else did it on YouTube. Right.

These two exact bits this person did. Yeah. And. What was the angle? I mean, wow. It was like a magician in bed with a woman. He's pulling like a scarf out of her vagina. Right.

And then he like comes up, makes a balloon animal out of the condom. Okay. So you have a room of writers and the head writer was like okay we need like magicians

funny things a magician could do in bed during sex right so it just sure after 45 minutes someone comes up

with a condom blowing up into a balloon it just happens and it just those ideas no I agree I know like I've been in

writers rooms before and you gotta sit there and go like is this like yeah they were very into like googling this guy's i mean he had like 200 views it was while we've been talking a thousand comedy videos have been uploaded to youtube yeah it's just like no i mean it's true like especially with stuff that isn't insanely personal yeah that the the possibility of somebody coming to the same bit yeah high yes especially now yeah you like i like that's why i made the shift like you know even there are some bits if i talk about anything that's you know pop culture or whatever i'm like

this someone's got to be yeah yeah yeah it's so not worth it no one wants to you know be called a thief it ruins your whole career it's like they were very good you know there was someone who was It's so not worth it. No one wants to be called a thief. It ruins your whole career. It's like, they were very good. There was someone who was like, that sounds familiar, and they would Google. It's just impossible to get everything. But you wrote for most of that, right?

And you performed for them. Yeah, I wrote for, yeah, all four years. Did you used to open for her too? Sometimes, yeah. Yeah. How's she doing? You talk to her? That's a way to be a comedian,

what she does. Opening. Arenas. Yeah. How's she doing? You talk to her? That's a way to be a comedian, what she does. Opening. Arenas. Yeah. Private jet and then escort through red lights from the airport. Just right to the thing. Still? She's still drawn like that?

I don't know. So now your primary focus outside, I see you do stand up a lot and it's very funny over at the comedy store, but it's these Instagram videos where you put yourself in character with the face melding app. Yeah. What is it called? It's called Face Swap. Right, Face Swap.

If you could refer to me as the king of Instagram, because I feel like when you just say something, it becomes true, like a Trump thing. Sure. Kyle Dunne and King of Instagram. Okay, let's go back, but let me just give a note to my producer don't cut what

we said before so Kyle yeah you're kind of the king of Instagram now oh thank you thank you king of Instagram Kyle Dunnigan one yeah yeah yeah it's great good for you I love having a one

at the end of my name that's at Kyle Dunnigan one yeah my nephew told me it's not cool to have a number in your name. Yeah. Well, I mean, you just didn't, you didn't get there quick enough. No, this guy's got my Gmail. He's got everything.

Oh God. Do you have, you talk to him? Do you have a relationship with him? We email because he sends me emails like this looks important, but there's a bunch of, he's not emailing me. Like he's gone quiet for a year and I'm sure I'm missing. Yeah. Well, he's, I think he's doing like he's dancing now

I think I heard oh is he oh great he does a guitar thing at the end oh my god I gotta see that act Kyle Dunnigan 2

you're Kyle Dunnigan 1 yeah but he's the real Kyle Dunnigan I mean according to Gmail he is but the

but the point is is that you've done something creative with available apps you've done what people assumed that everyone was going to do you've made your own little you know thing with the available technology without a tremendous cost to yourself but i haven't seen it done before but then again i'm not but you're the king right like i don't spend a lot of time on instagram but yeah you'll

do a lot of trump in conversation with somebody else whether whether it's a, that I watched a CK one. I watched a, I saw a Pence one, but I think that was Bill Maher and Pence. Okay. Right. Yeah. Uh huh. And yeah, but there's a lot of Trump talk. There's a lot of Kardashian business.

Yeah. Those are the most view of the Caitlyn Jenner stuff. The, uh, you as Caitlyn and all the other ones. Yeah. You play all the people. Oh yes. And you do a pretty good Trump. And they actually made a video.

Chloe was doing my bit in one of her Instagram stories. Oh, really? Yeah, and I got it. On purpose? Did she give you credit? No. But she did it.

She kept doing, we're mad at you. It's just the thing I do. Oh, really? Yeah. That's funny. It's cool. She stole something from your impression. Yeah, she claimed it, which is the thing i do oh really yeah that's it's cool she she stole something from

your impression yeah she claimed it you know which is which is the good you know claimed it good thing you're okay with it oh i love that would have been better if she gave you credit it would have been way better yeah yeah so now what where do you see this going to the top right there i look at it like and i'm excited about this because this is like my tv show i have total control you know i got this audience now yeah and um i just love it how long does it take you to do those it seemed pretty some take so long because you've got to put the little box in of you with the how do you what's the production it it's gotten a lot faster really i i do go through like a writing process i shoot them kind of not uh just with my face without the face swap stuff

so i can just see if it works yeah when i first started doing this i kind of got some flack for trying too hard because it's clear i'm trying really hard on my instagram yeah and i thought i'm gonna keep doing with an outlet fuck them yeah and i was like oh and now people don't give me black anymore for that well i mean i think it's like it's not like all these apps are you know really designed to entertain ourselves and then just dump it out there in the world like look what i did with the thing yeah but like you know you've done it you've taken this technology to this other place where you can actually cast an entire show with yourself.

Yeah. Like a sketch show. Yeah, yeah. You know, using this thing. But like, how do you like, I don't know enough about the technology to even if you were to tell me that I would be like, oh, right. You know, I couldn't even do that. But it seems like to do the two face mash things.

And then, you know, have one in a box so they can actually have conversation. That seems to be a leap. You can't just do that on the app, right? No, I go to this editing app and it's pretty intuitive. And there was a learning curve when I first started doing it. I just wanted to do a, I was looking to have conversations and so I thought the FaceTime. Yeah. It's like a natural thing to look at. Oh, so so I thought that FaceTime. Yeah. It's a natural thing to look at.

Oh, so that's what you're mocking. Yeah. I'm using that device, FaceTime, so it makes sense. You actually use FaceTime? No, but just the FaceTime where you see picture in picture. Right. So that's what it looks like when you FaceTime someone. That idea was huge for me because now I could have conversations.

That's the key because i'm gonna have conversations now without cutting back and but what's the other though when you do uh that all the jenner's and uh caitlin uh you know caitlin jenner and all the kardashians that's more like uh uh what is it go office or me office or what yeah yeah it's more of a leap it's a big facetime party well no it's like one of those ones where i used to advertise for it but i can't remember what it was. There's a couple of different apps that do that so you can talk to several people

at a meeting in different places. Yes. That's more like that. So it doesn't look foreign to people watching it. Right. They accept it as, okay, that happens. And it also looks like a fucking panel situation on a news show.

Yes. Yeah. And I've done that too. Yeah, picture in picture is big on tv so how how many are you doing a week how many you got up i try to do two a week really yeah it's hard and what's the average audience like viewership yeah like 200 000 views yeah it's enough to where i feel like um you know i i'm excited that i that excited that it keeps me going. Okay, but now here comes the bigger question.

Yeah. What's the business model? That's a great question. I did get a deal. I've been offered a TV deal, a pilot kind of thing. But for this, Instagram's going to start monetizing on IGTV, Instagram TV. So I'm hoping to get involved in that cause I am making $0 right now. I'm starting this podcast and I'll start putting that up on Instagram TV.

And yeah. And if this TV show, if that thing happens, hopefully I'll be able to pay my mortgage. But you obviously have this attentive crew of a couple hundred thousand do you ever think about doing ads i haven't offered like to put it you know like i don't know i hate washing me some like product in that i've been talking to someone about that but as character yeah just somehow put it in i did a one video where like uh kim was lost in her house and she didn't know what the washing machine was oh yeah i could have got a free washing machine oh that kind of stuff

i will product placement yeah if it doesn't affect right but only one minute on instagram there's you don't have that much you have to compact everything people tune out if they hear but how how about you, in terms of drawing them to your comedy shows, that audience? That's been great. I'm able to do like small theaters now. Oh really?

Yeah. All from the Instagram? All from the Instagram. Now do you feel pressure to do the impressions now? Yes. Because I do the shows now and people will shout out,

do Caitlin, or yeah baby! And they'll shout out. Oh yeah. Stuff. And it's all right with you? I, yeah,

I'm happy with it, but I do feel a little bit like I gotta get a Caitlin bit. Oh right. Really fast. Yeah out. Oh yeah. Stuff. And it's all right with you? Yeah, I'm happy with it, but I do feel a little bit like I got to get a Caitlyn bit. Oh right, right. Really fast. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's hard to get an impression in your act without looking like.

Right. Here's my impression of. Yeah, right. It's just. I think it goes a little like. Like. That's what turns you off about impressions.

Sure. Probably. Or back when they turn around, back in the old days. Right. Right. that's what turns you off about impressions probably or back when they turn around back in the old days like right it's unacceptable they turn around

and they turn back around yeah it's classic it's violating well you don't have to do it like that just you know just kind of jump around people can take it

the best thing is if you have a story with them but I don't know I don't know this I don't know Caitlin well you make it up all right but you're the guy who decided on the sheep background I don't know this. I don't know, Caitlin. Well, you make it up. All right.

But you're the guy who decided on the sheep background. I don't know if I should listen. I don't know. But you know what I'm saying. I'm just saying there's a way. No, you're right. Yeah, yeah. No, that's a good idea.

I will do that. Well, you could put a couple of characters. Why not just do it like your conversations, but just make sure that somehow or another, without hitting it over the head, you introduce the premise in premise yeah in the conversation yes you know what i mean yeah there's a way to do it uh melissa via senor does impression understand up really well right like that like what you're saying right like she yeah you can there's a way to do it sure man get on i was i did have a personal

story with with billher, though. Okay. I was on his private plane. We're going to close with it. Okay. It better be solid. Is this like big? It's not a bit.

It's not a good story. But a morning radio ender? It's a beginner. Let me set you up. So I heard you had an interesting encounter. Could you do the King of Instagram thing? Kyle Dunnigan, the king of Instagram. Great funny stuff.

Thank you. We get a big kick of it. Oh, great. I'm sorry. We get a big kick out of it. Start again. Start again. So Kyle Dunnigan, the king of Instagram is here.

Thank you. Back from break. And we all here at the station been watching those um you know your instagrams oh yeah it's great yeah the trump's great thank you the jenner kardashians you know we we love that and you know mike pants very funny though christy our weather girl uh is actually knows my pants but oh i'm sorry i'm not we don't get political here but you know what i'm saying i i've sure don't worry about it. But no, but we were thinking, sorry, my fucking cough buttons. You want to start it one more time?

Go ahead. With the king of Instagram, Kyle Dunnigan. And so you do such a good Bill Maher on your Instagram. They're all great. Thank you. Yeah, but Bill Maher, now I heard, correct me if I'm wrong, but I heard that you met Bill Maher,

you have an experience with Bill Maher, that you have a problem with Bill Maher. Yeah. I was on a plane with him once, actually. No kidding. Yeah. Like a commercial? His private jet.

He's got a private jet. Yeah. Wouldn't you, how do you like that? It's amazing. Doing all right in show business, that guy, right? Yes. So why are you on the private jet with bill mark well my girlfriend at the time he's trying to your girlfriend he was well he we were going to hawaii and uh we missed the plane

and uh she told him and he goes i'm leaving tomorrow to hawaii who's your girlfriend uh sarah still at the time was sarah silverman so she's a big comic so why wouldn't he be friends to her but he doesn't know you right he doesn't know me he knows me as a guitar guy oh but he yeah but i heard that he loves sarah yeah and so he invited and i and i think he was bummed out he was going down there to hang out with woody harrelson probably yes Yes, I met Woody, too. Great guy. Ever meet Woody? No, no.

He was nice. I was very much ignored. I felt a little ostracized, but he noticed, and he went over. I thought it was really nice of him. Well, we've had Bill on the show a couple times. Oh, really? Sure, but not Woody. No.

Sarah was here plugging a tour years ago. Okay. Yeah. I'm still in character. I don't know what you're talking about. Oh, sorry. So I get on the plane and he's like,

do you people really think there's a God? There's not. Okay. So I get on there. He did that on the plane? He did it on the plane. Did he do it over the speaker?

Welcome aboard. Yeah. You people. And I sit down. He's just kind of ignoring me which is okay but we were... It's a small plane.

It's a small plane. Yeah. And I was like, is this in my head and then sarah was like he's not being nice to you yeah but i think it just i get it he's not he wants to go on vacation and he doesn't know me and there's a guy doesn't know and i get it but you're on his plane yeah on the plane and then what happened i've been miserable on on uh private you think private jets you're doing good never been're doing good. Never been on one. You've never been on one.

Never been on a private jet. Don't travel in those circles. This is me, Mark. You could get your own private jet. Not really. You could fly a few places in your private jet. Well, you mean you hire a private jet? You rent it. Yeah, you rent it. Right, but it's like, what is it? Like 100 grand per flight? It's like 60,000. Oof. That's nothing to you. From what?

No, it is something to me. What do you think I am? I don't know. I'm fucking talking to you in my garage you're the king of podcasts oh yeah it's big money big money yeah yeah do you do ads i haven't heard any ads you don't put them in later but i'm not during the conversation you know but i'm not private i'm not private private jet guy well it does seem like a waste of money but i'll fly first class oh yeah that's fine with me different world what you're mr private plane guy i guess if you're opening first i'm coach are you unless i'm tagging along or someone's flying you who someone's invited right so let me just get something clear is that the end of the bill mar private plane story i told you this was not a great story wow at the top so he well there was

moments that were just uncomfortable. Like he had a set. He did stand up. He was coming back to the table. Everyone's like, oh, he killed. And then I said. You went to a show that night too? I didn't go.

That was part of your vacation? I didn't go. He just had a show. That's why he was going to Hawaii. Oh, so the night before. Yes. Yeah. And then we came back to the table after the show.

And it was like, oh, Bill killed. So we sat down and go, hey, Bill, I heard the audience was pretty rough. Yeah. I was like trying to make a joke of the opposite of what it was. That's comedy, right? Yeah. And it wasn't the right thing. You didn't read the rumor.

I didn't. No. Because Bill, like, I mean, maybe if you know him really well, you can bust his balls. But he doesn't, I've never seen him handle that well. Yeah. Ever. him bust his balls but he doesn't uh i've never seen him handle that well yeah ever i also tend to go when i'm nervous for the wrong sure you lose your intelligence on what to say and i are you one of those guys yeah yeah working on it so you like you see bill maher and you're like hey bill there is a god you're stupid i'm sorry what i say kind of yeah i'm working i'm aware of it now

though uh-huh. That's good. That's all you can do. Self-awareness is good. It's the most important thing. Well, I hope everything works out. Thank you. And you've always got the dancing. I can always go back to that.

And the guitar. Yes. Yeah. But I'm glad that the Instagram's kind of, it's exciting to pop in a medium that you have complete control over. I'm telling you, I was midlife-crisising last year. And now the king of Instagram. Now the king. Wow. Great. I'm telling you, I was midlife crisis-ing last year. And now it's king of Instagram. Now the king. Wow, great. Congratulations. Thank you so much. Good talking to you.

You too. Kyle Dunnigan. Go see all his weirdness on Instagram. Also YouTube, Twitter. I have no musical instrument with me. None. Mm-hmm musical instrument with me. None. None. That was a jazz phrased improvisational humming.

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