WTF with Marc Maron Podcast - WTF Uncovered - Maria Bamford

Episode Date: December 2, 2016

We go back into the WTF Shoebox Vault to find another unaired pilot for The Marc Maron Show in Los Angeles from 2006. This time the guest was comedian Maria Bamford, the sidekick was still Jim Earl, and the investigative reporter was Eddie Pepitone. The only people who ever heard this were the people who made it, plus one angry program director who didn't want to put it on the air. Sign up here for WTF+ to get the full show archives and weekly bonus material! https://plus.acast.com/s/wtf-with-marc-maron-podcast. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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And I want to let you know we've produced a special bonus podcast episode where I talked to an actual cannabis producer. I wanted to know how a producer becomes licensed, how a cannabis company competes with big corporations, how a cannabis company markets its products in such a highly regulated category, and what the term dignified consumption actually means. I think you'll find the answers interesting and surprising. Hear it now on Under the Influence with Terry O'Reilly. This bonus episode is brought to you by the Ontario Cannabis Store and ACAS Creative. okay let's do this it's another episode of wtf uncovered which is things that my producer brendan mcdonald found in a box underneath his bed there's going to be a few different things

like next week uh we're going to do an Uncovered, which is basically, it is an actual WTF interview that never aired due to circumstances I will explain on the show. But today's Uncovered is a little bit like the last one, last Friday's. It's a lot like it. These are segments from another unaired pilot episode for the Mark Maron Show, a radio show we did on KTLA in 2006.

These were done for the GM of the radio station to get our spot, which we already had, I think, in retrospect. I think he was just making us jump through hoops because he hated the idea that he would give me a show. But there was some sort of deal made that was above him and it was going to happen anyways. But these were, this is the second of two pilots that we did for the Marc Maron show. Now on this one, you will hear again, Jim Earl is my sidekick, the wonderful and cranky Jim Earl. And the guest was actually Maria Bamford. Now, this is 2006. This is a while ago. And it's earlier Maria, but still perfectly and beautifully Maria.

And this was also the first time we used Eddie Pepitone, who some of you may know. We used him as an investigative reporter. He did an investigative reporter segment. This was radio. We did segments. We did funny things. So enjoy this. Enjoy this WTF Uncovered with Jim Earl, Maria Bamford and the amazing Eddie Pepitone from 2006.

Live from Burbank, California, home of Eve Plum, the only Brady who likes sex, it's the Mark Maron Show. And now a man who sleeps in Grover Cleveland's bathtub, Mark Maron. Good evening, geniuses, philosopher kings and queens, working class heroes,

progressive utopians with no sense of humor, lurking conservatives. I'm Mark Maron. Thank you, little Jimmy Earl, for the lovely introduction. Oh, you're welcome. Yeah, I'm very excited about tonight's show. Very excited. It's been a big day out there. Here's some real news, Jim. Here's some local news. Here's some real news, Jim. Here's some local news. Ralph's supermarket chain has been nailed by federal prosecutors with more than 50 criminal charges,

including identity fraud, money laundering, and obstruction of justice. Now, I don't know if you were here, but I was here. It was before I moved to New York and then came back. There was a big strike where 60,000 union clerks walked off the job. I mean, I had a shop at Vaughn's. It was horrible. All right. Apparently, Ralph's illegally rehired some of those striking workers. All right. See, what happens is when there's a lockout, the supermarket chain says, we don't need these workers. You know, we're in dispute with the union.

They're out. But what Ralph's did is they paid, they illegally rehired some of those striking workers. They paid them with checks using fake names and fake social security numbers and had the workers cash the checks at the stores. Now, the Kroger company that owns Ralph's has, of course, laid the blame on the few store managers, the bad apples, the old corporate bad apples, just a few bad apples, thus trying to avoid the corporate level responsibility. But there's more to this story. And with a little help from our investigative reporter, Eddie Pepitone, who's been on the scene all day at the courthouse. What can you tell us today, Eddie? Thanks, Mark.

Hey, what the hell is this? I shop at Ralph's, Vaughn's, and Albertson's. I come to find out they are owned by the same company. Hey, how about calling it one name? How about Ralph's, huh? This way I don't get confused. All right, so Ralph's, Vaughn's, and Albertson's rehired locked-out workers.

So they locked these guys out, then illegally re-hire them. Here's an idea. Don't fire them in the first place. If you're going to lock someone out, lock them out, all right? My wife locks me out frequently because she says I can't feel my feelings, which I dispute because she pisses me off, all right? And anyway, we have three entrances to the house, and when she locks me out, they are all inaccessible. It Doesn't matter how cold it is or if I'm feeling woozy from having

some beverages and I shouldn't be driving or if I'm pleading with her that I will change. When she locks me out, that house is impenetrable. I don't know how she does it. I think she's getting a little on the side from a locksmith, but my keys do not work. I repeat, my keys do not work. So why does Ralph's let people back in after locking them out? Is a major corporate supermarket conglomerate transnational corporation more compassionate than my wife? Does a company with

assets in the many, many millions have more mercy than my wife? Who, by the way, would have died if I didn't give her blood back in 88, but that's another story involving an accident with cities. So my wife doesn't have the concern of a Kroger's Ralph's Fudge or Albuquerque's.

Is that what you're telling me? That my wife, what do you mean cool off? I don't have to say my doubt. Don't touch me. I'm in a role. Get out of here. I'm on it. Just cool off, Eddie. We'll finish it later.

Oh, my God. All right, we'll get the rest of that story in just a little while when Eddie cools off a little bit. Wow, speaking of anger, I don't want to change the tune here too much, but here's something interesting. A woman in Santa Barbara went into a mail processing plant where she used to work. A postal employee in Santa Barbara went in there and shot six co-workers, the last one dying this morning. It's a sad story, but I think it's interesting when I'm reading the copy here that it says, this is believed to be the deadliest workplace shooting by a woman.

So another great milestone has been met by by a woman taking it to the next level. Jim, taking it to the next level in the in the psychotic killing rampage in post offices. It never ends. I think that's why they think it is. You can you can understand that it's sort of like cops. It's sort of like people. It's sort of like people. It's like dentists apparently have a very high snapping rate. It's because every day dentists look into that mouth and see nothing but rot, and there's no stopping it. All right?

Every day cops go out and they try to stop crime. They know in their hearts it's never going to stop. And postal workers, they sit on that line, and they know that there's always going to be another letter to another place. And now I'm starting to turn into Eddie. Play us out will you jim play us out turn your volume up because you're listening to mark maron's show nothing is real and nothing to get hung about. Mark Barron's show forever. Wait, wait, I got the wrong chord. Can we do this?

Can we do this? Mark Maron! Right now, we've got a phone call here. Who's on the phone there? Can we take this call? Yeah, maybe if I became a bagger at ralph you know i could maybe get more respect for my wife you know because i worked three jobs to a woman who can't orgasm oh okay all right all right eddie thank you thank you thank you eddie thank you thank you eddie thank you uh was, of course, our investigative reporter, Eddie Pepitone, with I guess you'd call that a follow-up on the story that the Ralph's supermarket chain is being nailed by federal prosecutors with 50 criminal charges.

Thank you, Eddie. We'll check back in as new stories unfold with Eddie Pepitone. I'm very excited to have our guest here in the studio. She's one of my favorite comedians She can also be seen on the show On Comedy Central The Comedians of Comedy She's on the Comedians of Comedy Tour

That's going to be doing another leg Our guest is Maria Bamford Thank you for coming Thank you very much for having me on, Mark So wait And this is Jim You can say hi to Jim Hi, Jim

Hi, Maria Say it again, Jim Hi, Maria How you doing? Thanks for putting the mic on yeah you were so funny the other night we did a small club here in los angeles i think it was called the small place on top of the other place what was that called there was a club five or something they do like a secret bi-monthly show, maybe. But it was great. And you did this thing that, I'm not going to lead you into one of your bits or anything,

but what was that thing? I think you were just working on it, the Hollywood self and the real self. Oh, just the, once you start living in LA for a while, you start, you have this part of yourself that changes kind of into Hollywood, you know? So I was like talking to myself over the holidays, like, God, maybe I should do something to help other people.

You know, should I be doing more stuff? Hey, Maria, you know, what I do is I make people laugh. That is the greatest gift to give to others. But,

but what if I just kind of like, I mean, just one thing, like I went to like volunteer at a soup kitchen. Sounds like somebody needs a bubble bath that's funny because I find that about I beat the hell out of myself

about stuff like that and that's just exactly how you rationalize it like but wait I did do that one thing a long time ago so we're now you're I'm glad we caught you because you're going away for eight weeks.

Right. Eight weeks. You're not going to come home at all? Well, I'll come back for like, you know, like between Philadelphia and Minneapolis just for one night. What do you bring with you when you go? Like, do you have some weird thing? Like, I don't know what exactly I'm asking for. But like sometimes when I go on the road, do you bring a little stereo with you?

Do you have weird comfort things that make you feel like you're at home anyways? Oh, that's a good question. Do you have weird habits on the road? I bring some, like, you know how people make vision boards or whatever? Yeah. Whatever. Yeah. Like, I make one that's kind of like a smaller size for my calendar.

Yeah. And then I just look at the images that resonate with me when I'm away from home. That's very nice. So, Jim, did you do that? What's a vision board? A vision board is when you, let's just take a set of magazines, you know, a set of some magazines, maybe something you wouldn't normally read, like Forestry Today or something. Go through there, just cut out words and pictures that kind of just make you feel something,

whether it's happy or concerned or whatever. Then you glue it, take a little paste, you glue it on a piece of poster board in any way you want. Just let it go. Crazy. That's your vision Where the hell did those come from? I've seen those before Where did that originate the vision board?

Cuz you know when you go to someone you don't really know's house and you kind of look in the bedroom and there's one of Those on the wall and you don't know at what point in their life they made it or what it meant to them I've had that happen many times like the weird intersect of somebody's desk area like i bet you if you walked around here queer channel some of the cubicles there's a couple vision boards somewhere in here oh for sure well i think it was maybe initially like a marketing like a salesman kind of tool to pump yourself up like you go oh i'm gonna put this maserati in my refrigerator so i can right right get pumped to sell stuff but then now it's become a new age thing of like i don't have to sell anything i don then now it's become a new age thing of like,

I don't have to sell anything. I don't even have to work. And this stuff just comes to me. I'll be it. This is a lesser gold than a Maserati, but tell you a little miracle. I put a little cutout picture of a microwave on my vision board a couple years back.

And I thought, there's no way I could ever have a microwave. Well, my sister was visiting from Minnesota and she saw my vision board and she said, oh, Jesus Christ, that's pathetic. And she sent me her microwave. See that? It's magic. It's magic.

See how it's magic? Yeah. How's your mom? She's very good. It's magic. It's magic. See how it's magic? Yeah. How's your mom? She's very good. She's good. She wants my boyfriend to ask me to marry him. The Australian guy? Yeah. She does.

But she's just, listen, that guy's got a fisher cut bait. Mom, we've been dating for nine months. I think he has a little bit more time. You know, we've been enjoying getting to know each other. Yeah. Honey, move on. Move on. But she likes him, huh? She likes him, but she's like, I think she just has an idea. Like my parents, when they got, you know, like she just cried on the phone once.

And then my dad flew to ask her to marry. Like she just, like it was more of a. A bullying, she coerced him. Yeah, she coerced him with emotional manipulation. But yeah, I don't know why, but she seems more like, oh, marriage should happen right away. My sister got engaged within six months of dating her boyfriend. Maybe she put it on a vision board.

Your boyfriend's Australian? He's Australian. That's a long distance relationship. It certainly is. And we have been dating for nine months, as I said, and three months I went over there so we get to know each other. Now he's coming here for three months where we've gotten to know each other and I'm going to go there for another month to work.

I've done a lot of work in Australia because I can't get much work in the U.S. because my comedy has been farmed out to a family in Mumbai who is doing it faster, funnier. And more efficiently. Yeah, and with a really good attitude. And with less fear. Yeah. They're nice people. Well, now, is that true? Because I think you're such a unique talent, and I can't imagine that you have trouble booking yourself in this country. Is that really true? Well, I think it's just different.

Because in other countries, they have festival atmospheres, which is what I love. And they also appreciate unique people. Right. They don't need people just to reaffirm their stupid lives. Well, there you go. What the hell was that? Well, I think a lot of American comedy clubs, if people, you know, it's a rare type of comedy audience. I think there is some of that developing now with some of the younger cats is that most audiences are like, they want to be like, they're making me laugh at me.

As opposed to like, that's weird. She's weird. Right, right. Well, to just, I mean, I was reading about Tom Lehrer, the political songwriter. The singer, yeah. Singer, songwriter guy. And he had said that one of the reasons he stopped performing in 1960 was that he was preaching to the choir. It was like everyone who came to see him was somebody who had the same viewpoint as he did, so he didn't feel like it was as valuable.

There's nothing more contemptible than the choir. Yeah. There's nothing more contemptible than the choir. Yeah. Because if you have the sad thing about the choir, and this has got to be true with Tom Ware, is that you'll get to a certain point where if you have any self-hatred in you, they will pay. Because it's like, how can you like me? I don't like me. You guys are idiots.

Yeah, that's true. So let's talk about Australia. You're going to Australia. I've been to Australia. Yeah. But you are popular in australia well it's among certain people i mean this thing is just like the u.s it's just but they have a big festival circuit where you can make very good money performing at these festivals and you perform in theaters you don't perform in a comedy club where people are eating stuff and and uh you know uh you know what i'm saying or free passes but i was in australia

here's what happened to me and i'm only sharing this you've been there before so it's not gonna frighten you i am do i've been doing comedy about three years i had maybe 25 30 minutes of material some guy sees me in new york he was booking a big club i think it was called the last laugh in melbourne i don't know if it's still there anymore he comes to the improv in new york city and says would you like to headline in Australia for five weeks? And I'm like, I know in my heart that I can't do the time. But when you're in that position, you're like, yeah, oh, yeah, yeah, I can do it. Yeah, I'm going to come headline for five weeks in Australia.

And over a series of time, I went there and right off the bat, driving on the wrong side of the road, I started to lose my confidence. Like, oh, no the it's weird here you know and then and then and then like i saw the kangaroos i'm like wow i'm really far away from anybody and like you when you call on the phone it's tomorrow and it was a problem because i couldn't panic uh with friends so that and and then i go to a talk show and it's like the letterman show and it's not letterman and again the desk is driving on the wrong side of the road like it's on you know it's not Letterman. And again, the desk is driving on the wrong side of the road. It's the Steve Visard show or somebody. Okay, so it's starting to disintegrate.

Everything's falling apart. And then the first night, here's the lineup. It's a host who's a comic. And then this burlesque act. These two women with wigs and an accordion. Then the next act's a guy who escapes from a straitjacket on stilts. That's his closer. And then they're like, and now Mark Maron.

And I'm in Australia and it's ridiculous. And of course they're like, stilts, that guy's a genius. And I get up there and I just felt myself shredding inside like, I can't do this. I don't have the time. What am I going to do? And as each night went by, we built towards the weekend. I was starting to come around a little bit, but it was kind of weird. And the Saturday night, the place is packed. Like 400 people are in the room.

They just got done. And they had an intermission after the guy on stilts. Yeah, that's another thing. Comedy shows, they have intermissions. Right? Yeah. So I go up there and right out of the gate, an American, a guy with an American accent goes, where'd you get that jacket?

Like in a room full of 400 people. And literally, for some reason, you know how some nights are so bad, you don't know why, but you somehow literally leave your body and watch yourself do your act to no response. It was the worst. All I could hear were the embers of my cigarette burning. And I was just watching myself in front of 400 people sitting there going oh man there's nothing I can do to help you because I'd shut down yeah and then uh it was just awful because I got off stage and it was that weird baptism and failure where you're like almost

relieved and then the guy sits me down the next day he takes me out to coffee and he says this isn't working out you know maybe uh I'll pay you for three weeks and we'll call it my mistake and you go on home and uh uh, and that's all, you know? And I'm like, yes. You know, God,

and I'm like, really? Are you sure you want to? Cause I could like, no, no, no, no,

no, no. Oh, thank God. So, uh, right when that little thing happens at the coffee shop, so the waiter comes up and say,

Hey, I saw you on the Steve Visard show. You're really funny. Where are you guys working? And I'm like, nah, I'm going home. There's a problem.

But, uh, that's my little story. I was sent home from a country. But I learned my lesson. Oh. Yeah. Have a good time there.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, you know what's weird is because I've been trying to do clubs in the U.S. And I don't really do very well. Because I'm a bit odd. And then, you know, when people come in just for a generic comedy show, you know, we're going to go see some comedy. Like, I'm not usually what they're thinking of. And so, which I can understand

how that would be disappointing. It's disappointing for me to see them. And, but I went to Australia, and it was like this, it was like this weird homecoming. Like, it was, because they had this festival, and it's a huge festival, and it's like a, yeah, you just,

I did like an hour and a, you ever watch a comedian when they just start riffing's like, yeah, I did like an hour and a half. You ever watch a comedian when they just start riffing and they just go on for like an hour and a half or two hours? I felt like that. I'd never felt like that before where you could go on. It's exciting. I'm happy for you. It was unreal. They appreciate theatrics there, too.

And they understand they're willing to. See, I get angry hearing you tell me that people don't like you in comedy clubs. Oh, well. I mean, now it's getting better because of having any sort of TV credits that people go, oh, you've been on TV? Yeah. You've been on TV? Oh, good.

TV on good TV. You know? Yeah, they like you then. They like it on TV. Yeah. It's weird. That's all that seems to matter to them. You can sit there and perform for them,. They like it on TV. Yeah. It's weird. That's all that seems to matter to them. You can sit there and perform for them, and they won't refer to your act.

They're like, I saw you on the thing. Yeah, exactly. That thing on what channel was it? On the family? Was it Discovery? What were you on? Comedy Central! No, but it was something.

Oh, my God. You're here right now. You look so small you look kind of big on tv look at us that girl from tv which is something i've always wanted to happen uh now when it happens guess what yeah uh not so not so not so excited do they ever do you hate it when they're like what about that other guy that you're on the thing with? Is that guy an ass? Oh, yeah. Did they do that? Ask about that.

Well, no. Yeah, I've gotten some, yeah, where they'll be like, some will say, I watched your act and then I watched Saturday Night Live and there was a joke on it that was a lot like one of your jokes and I just think you should know about it. Yeah, the comedy police. Like, you're like, what? Yeah, yeah. Like, well, basically, I've probably, I mean, not, but every idea of mine has been stolen from the comedy police. Like you're like, what? Well, basically, I've probably,

but every idea of mine has been stolen from the greater atmosphere. So, you know, in terms of, you know, we're all thinking the same thoughts, right? Am I right? Oh, absolutely. I always get defensive like that because I don't know who they're looking out for

and what they're insinuating and what kind of life do they have where they're sitting there making notes. You know, I appreciate the comedy fanatics who are actually keeping check of that, but I cannot stand when someone insinuates, it's like, I don't know if they stole it from you or maybe you stole it from them.

Yeah, yeah. And that's when you're like, you don't need to be my fan. You can go away. I don't need that kind of pressure. Well, now they got comedy blogs where they got people going out to just shows and then blogging on it. Seven people.

Is it just seven? Sure, maybe 10 or 12. Oh, your blog, yeah. Oh, come on. Now, have you been to any blog? Have you been to any blog? Yeah. And how many people are there?

There's like seven, 12. My mom's there in the chat room waiting to talk about me. My daughter is lovely. I mean, Maria Bamford's a genius. She sat in the chat room for a while talking to people. Can she type fast? Oh, yeah.

She's a good typist. Well, Maria, I want you to be careful. Yeah, I will. I care about you. Oh, that's very nice. And have a good- There are funnel spiders

out there. Oh. Only in Sydney, buddy. Only in Sydney. Where's your man from? Check your shoes. Sydney. He is from Sydney. So, wait a minute. You're right. There is a problem. Sydney. Where's your man from? Check your shoes. Sydney. He is from Sydney.

So wait a minute. You're right. There is a problem. What the hell's a funnel spider, Jim? Funnel spider? You kill you in five seconds. That's all you need to know. Get out.

It's a spider that kills you in five seconds? They live in funnels. They live in Sydney? Yeah, it's just, yeah. Like a lot of them? Sure. Are you? I'm forbidding you to go.

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I'm forbidding you to go. I'm forbidding you to go. I'm forbidding you to go. I'm forbidding you to go well they're always saying stuff like that there because like I was when swimming they go well there's no shark nets at this beach you know like sharks right when I put my feet in the water

there's a shark going to come up to the like okay come on but I guess there are I mean they never want to make any promises of what you know what if a shark does come up on a beach and nibble your toes yeah

a little angry it's weird about Australians they sort of have that attitude sort of like of what if a shark does come up on a beach and nibble your toes? Yeah. I'm a little angry. It's weird about Australians. They sort of have that attitude, sort of like, meh. You know what I mean? Like, we're Australian. I found that when I was there just for the week that they're sort of insecure

about the placement of their country. It's like, we're over here. No one really needs us. The U.S. used to park their ships here occasionally. Well, they get left off maps all the time. Did you know that? Or like in Foster's, like Australian for beer, they won't put Tasmania. They won't put Tasmania, which is a part of Australia.

They'll leave that part off. They'll just put the giant continent without the, you know, it's all these little things. So they got a little chip on their shoulder? Well, yeah, because they're as big as the United States geographically. Huge. But then they only have 20 million people. Huge. And they shrink it on the map.

And they make it smaller than what it is, yeah. Well, I mean, if they didn't, Jim, the map would have to be huge. Well, that's an interesting point. I'm glad you... Funnel spiders, where do they live? Funnel spider, in funnels. But they make their own funnels. They check your shoes?

You said you got to check your shoes? Check your shoes, they live in there. How big are they?nel spiders, where do they live? Funnel spider, in funnels. But they make their own funnels. You got to check your shoes? You said you got to check your shoes? Check your shoes, they live in there. How big are they? Do you know how big they are? They're like this. Can everybody see this? Oh, God, be careful, will you, Maria? Oh, well.

I'll see you when you come back if everything goes well. Yeah, I'll be in Darwin, Alice Springs. All right. Okay, sorry, I keep going on. Thank you. Okay. Well, it's been a great week here on the Marc Maron Show. Thanks for joining us.

I'd like to thank all our guests. I'd like to thank Brendan McDonald for producing the show. My right-hand man or left-hand man, however you want to call it, Jimmy Earl. Next week, we're going to have Marc Cooper talk some politics. David Poland's going to talk some movies. We're going to have our regular Jack Boulware to give us a dispatch from somewhere in the world. And man, I am looking forward to the weekend. Have a good weekend,

sheeple. Well, that was fun, wasn't it? Old Mark, Old Maria, Old Eddie. I should say Young Mark, Younger Maria, Younger Eddie, and Timeless Jim Earl. Again, next week on WTF Uncovered, it is an actual WTF interview that never aired due to circumstances that I will explain to you next week. Okay?

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