Yannis Pappas Hour - The Wealthy & Illegals: A Love Story | Yannis Pappas Hour

Episode Date: August 1, 2025

Yanni defines what a woman is (don’t worry, he nails it) and takes an educated guess at what Matt Walsh is really into. Then he asks: what the hell does Gen Z do for fun? Because it’s definitely not partying. Finally, Yanni tackles immigration—breaking down whether it’s good or bad, with examples from history and around the world, and tells you what’s actually worked and why. Don’t be surprised at the double talk from the wealthy. American money loves illegals! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What's up, everybody. Welcome to another Janus Pappas hour. And when I say Janus Pappas, I mean a much cooler looking Yonis Pappas because I got some new frames and I've up my game. I look like a preacher who is very hipster looking and cheats on his wife. I forget the guy's name, but it all starts with the glasses. You can tell when the guy's about to go down a bad road when he gets cool frames. I got cool frames now, which means I got one foot into fatherhood and one foot in moving to Monaco. I'm going to take all my earnings and go to Monaco. Okay? That's it where lawyers can't get me. I'm going to become an illegal immigrant to Monaco. Can you become that? Do they have a need for American people who like to lay down? Because I can provide if you have a

shortage of Greek Americans. Greek Americans who will take the lay down, that's me. I'm always seeking to lay down, and I want an immigrant, I want to be an immigrant to your country who lays down. I'm here to lay down. We need people to lay down, right? I can lay down and work on my phone with the best of them. Desks and sitting up are a thing of the past. Nobody sits at a desk to work. It used to be when you had to stand up to work, you know, that was work. And then we figured out a way to put a tie on and sit down. And you know what the tie's function was? It showed that you were an officer. You were an officer, meaning like in the military,

you had stripes on me, I'm not going to get killed. I'm going home with just slight trauma, mental trauma. I'm not going to, I'm not going home missing a leg. And that's what these stripes go because I got a BA from, you know, some SUNY school. And that's all you need to become an officer, right? So basically, you get your H-1B, and you immigrate because you have extraordinary capabilities of laying down.

Because we went from working in the fields, working in the farms with our muscles, and then we figured out to put the tie on. You know what the tie is about I was about to say? If you were working during the industrial era where the tie was invented, it shows that you don't work with the machines because the tie would get caught in the gears. So it just lets you know, hey, I'm a lady boy. I'm a gentleman. I'm a shot caller.

And the more of a shot caller you become, the more lady-like you become. Using manipulative tactics. I don't mean to generalize, but let's be honest. Trump's elected so we can define what a lady is. And when they say, what is a woman? I'll tell you, it's somebody who breaks your fucking balls. How come nobody answered that fucking hypocrite who probably is sleeping with underage boy prostitutes in a motel room who always breaches family values? What's his name with the beard, and he just looks like a serial killer?

And I know there's going to be some skeletons, some sexual skeletons that are found under his bed. Matt Walsh, don't sue me. I'm not Candice Owens. I'm not saying I have definitive proof. I'm not saying you're going to, you were born a child molester. You're going to die a child. I have no evidence besides your fucking face. Besides the way your face looks.

Your face looks like you have naughty, naughty, naughty, naughty internet history. It just looks naughty in the Internet history. You just look. Doesn't he look like there's just dried semen in his belly button? And he walks around and he picks his toes. And I just know because, you know, he's always talking about the family. He's always talking about how gays are bad and all this stuff is bad. And Christ is Christ in this.

Those guys always, just like this recent Republican who, did you hear about this guy? who was pro-life and paid for multiple abortions for his stripper fiancé. And when I say fiancé, I mean mistress concubine. So that's just how it goes. It's a little thing, it's a little axiom called thou doth protest too much. And usually it falls on Republican hands because they're always the ones preaching rigidity. So they put themselves in a box. He was a Texas Republican.

He admitted the affair, but he denied the other discerning details, and those details where she said he paid for multiple abortions. So maybe it's an allegation. So it could just be an allegation. You know, maybe he knows she doesn't have good proof. But he's saying all those other stuff, I did bang the stripper, okay? I am a pro-life family value guy. I banged a stripper a couple times.

but my hypocrisy stops there because if there was a child that would have welcomed it in it was state Republican Giovanni Cabrioni which he will be invoking he will be invoking the Cuomo defense of

I am Italian and it's just you were allowed to Gumma I'm not knocking the system the Chinese had a similar system back in the day right the guy would go off and get some young girl to keep the man happy while the wife just aged

and aged You know, I'm not knocking it But how come nobody said that During Matt Walsh's documentary When they said, what is a woman? Why don't it when someone go Someone who lives in your house Who breaks your fucking nuts

And yells at you About her needing help Getting things ready While you just want a couple more minutes Asleep That's all you want Just give me 15 Can you take the dog out?

Or how about someone Who doesn't say much to you, but then once you get in the car and start driving, calls you 15 times for one sentence questions. How about that? How about someone who you suspect is colluding with Amazon to steal all your money? How about somebody who has an online shopping addiction? It's called a woman. How about that? How about someone? How about someone? who spends way too much fucking money on her hair. That's a woman.

I'm defining a woman. Okay? How about someone who doesn't blow you once you fucking get to know her? What is a woman? That's what it is. I think I answered it. That's why he didn't come interview me, dog, because I would have answered it.

I would have answered it. I know all old tropes, stereotypes, are fucking true. Okay? I speak from experience. And I'm just joking, but I'm all so serious. Stereotypes don't fall from the sky, okay?

I don't remember the last time I saw Bangladeshi guys lining up for Jordans. They don't fall from the sky. I don't remember the last time I walked into a diner that was owned by a Pakistani man. I don't remember the last time I got into a cab with a Greek cab driver. by the way the whole like racism thing remember that whole like can't catch a cab thing black people like can't catch a cab cab drivers won't pick up black people it's like that could have been true but like why were you yelling at white people about that when is the last time you saw a white taxi driver i'll tell you when it was 1971 okay it was a movie

directed by martin scorsese i don't think they exist in nonfiction i've never gotten to a taxi cab and the dude was like, what's up, man? You want it was some Pearl Jam? It's never been like that. I've always walked in and went, oh, fuck. This stinks. So, you know,

take up your racism complaint with the South Asian community. I'm just talking honestly. Stereotypes don't fall from the sky. And I'm also stereotyping Matt Walsh, who mark my words. I'm thinking with him, it's not going to be a boy.

I don't get a gay vibe from him. I get more of like I want to choke a girl out right close right to the line you know I want to choke a girl out I want to choke a girl out

I don't think I don't think he's satisfied with home sex life I'm getting more of this guy wants to get a second job for a security company so he could scope out how to break into women's

houses and steal their panties and that's just what the frames say that's just what the frame say my frame say hey, this dad, this dad's got one foot in, one foot out. Not true. Not true. I got two feet in.

But the frames say, Yanni's, Yonni's going through a midlife crisis. I'm about to see Yanni at a hipster bar drinking a brew. Are hipster bar still around? Nightclubs are closing? What are Gen Ziers doing for fun? They don't have any fun. They don't approach each other anymore. They're too scared.

They all think they're spies. they're all scared like are you guys all spies meaning like are you going to collect intel on me and then post it somewhere they're not having any fun everyone's working from home isolated on their phones communicating through technology and scared to live it's a very weird generation all these nightclubs are closing big article all these nightclubs are closing

kids don't go to nightclubs anymore they're not fucking anymore they're not having sex anymore They're not finger blasting. They're not blowing each other. You know, I don't know what they're doing. They're all at home just masturbating. It's not good for a social species. Because when I look back on my youth, the only real fun I had was with girls.

Best memories. I mean, I like hanging out with my boys. Don't get me wrong. But, you know, when I'm going to sleep, I don't remember like, oh, man, that was a fun time on the bench. You know what relaxes me? I'll think back to a nice fuck. And it just puts me to sleep. It's my memory.

It's a memory. I can do it if I want to. By the way, this just tells you how much times have changed. There was a basketball player at the school that I went to that before I went there, a story was that he used to take his dick out at parties. And people would go like, whoa, what the fuck are you doing? And he would go, what? It's mine. I can play with it if I want to.

So that was the 90s. I'm not condoning it. I never saw it. It was before I got there. But that's how things change. But the thing is, like, legally he kind of, I was kind of, it was like, that's a conundrum because it is his.

He's like, it's mine. I can play whatever I want. It's like, legally, he's not touching anyone. It's interesting, right? I guess it's indecent exposure. But, you know, if you had a good lawyer, you could make a case that the guy technically is saying the objective truth, right?

Anyway. Nightclubs just aren't working out. Rising costs changing customer behavior. They're struggling, struggling. Energy prices. They're just not getting enough customers. That's what it is. There's been a shift back to home to home tainment

and a preference for smaller, more intimate gatherings. So people just don't want to go out. Maybe COVID. Maybe COVID gave everyone anxiety about it. I don't know. I think it's more just the modern life and the isolation. You know, who knows?

Maybe it's due to the crackdown on immigrants. Maybe a lot of those girls who are dancing on the polls, Eastern European war refugees. It's a good chance if you're watching a porno that you're looking at someone who is a war refugee from a white country. It's just what happens. Daddy and the brothers died in the war. And unfortunately, she's going to make a couple of dollars

by banging some French dude who does this to make her squirt. It's just horrible. But that is the real world we live in. And employment is a necessity to eat. And our countries are, they're not, it's not a balanced, give or take when it comes to immigration. It's not a balance, give or take. One place always rises up as the beacon, the light on the hill that everyone wants to go to.

You know, it's just things don't evolve at the same pace. Cultures do not evolve at the same pace. It would be great if they did. It would really be great because everything would be a lateral move, you know? Although I assume when Somalis first hit Minnesota and they caught that fucking first winner, they maybe said, you know what, being a child soldier, wasn't that bad. At least it was 84 out. You ever been in Minnesota during the winter?

You have, right? Yeah. A lot of them were thinking louder move. A lot of them might have went back once you get that first winner. But there's enough of them there that it seems like this mayor is going to win. He's Somali. There's enough of them there that they got, what's her name back in? uh, the senator. What's her name?

Yvonne. Ilan Omar. Alon Omar. Um, but, uh, you know, we take in the most immigrants in the world. We take in the most immigrants. We're a big country, but it's no secret that everyone wants to be here. And, um, so it's a, it's a tough challenge that we face. Um, but people also want to be in Europe. They want to be in Sweden. They want to be in Denmark. They want to be in Germany. But also, a lot of these countries, like the United States, Germany, like Denmark, like Sweden, like whatever other country, oftentimes want immigrants. They want immigrants.

They want above the line, legal line immigrants, and they want below the line immigrants. Because there's a little thing called capitalism. And what capitalism loves is huge profit margins. And what ensures bigger profit margins is lower pay. always lower pay. And you know what gets in the way of lower pay? Unions. You know what those gets in the way of lower pay?

A moral standard by which a person should get paid. And by moral standard, I mean a humane standard. Sometimes a humane standard is just a little too high for the top brass, who doesn't care, who doesn't really put a face. to the problem that it creates, right? Oftentimes, you own a construction company. You're a big firm, you're, I don't know, a farmer, whatever it is. You know, you don't live in the neighborhoods where a lot of this strain plays out

between native populations who are legal and citizens and new immigrant. who are yet to assimilate, right? Who start forming their own enclaves and bringing their own cultures and religions. So you don't deal with detention. You don't deal with the job competition. You just deal with the profit from your para example, South American labor force. You just deal with the profits. and then you are an international, multinational jet setter.

You go to Monaco, a little time in Paris, you know. You're basically gasoline Maxwell. You're just fucking, that chick was all over the place. You're an international. You don't have a country. You don't have a country. These people, they like to just travel internationally and they know each other and they just, you know, they fund their traveling habits with low wage work.

Sometimes that low-wage work builds countries. Not this one. There came a point where we just decided we were going to let companies become paramount over the nation, right? There was just a point where we said, you know what, Boeing, you know what, Boeing and Raytheon and Dole. And whatever other country you can think of is just going to become what we write laws for. And they're no longer confined to the United States. Go find cheap labor. Go find cheap costs around the globe.

And this was rationalized by, hey, you know, we're bringing the rest of the world up, which it did in a lot of ways. and it does. But what gets left behind is the people from that industry who have the rug pulled out from under them. And that's where we are. That's where we are. That's where we are in America.

A country created by immigrants, well, or conquerors, and both. And now has a problem with immigrants. They don't know how, when to turn the faucet off. Now, there's different ways to do immigration. Because we are the beacon on the hill, everyone wants to come here, I think, regardless. I think risk gets rewarded, right? In America, I think that's why so many people try. Because if you come here and you start

making money and you can't, blah, you know, you could marry a chick, whatever, and you got that entrepreneurial hustle, you know, you got that Caesar Milan hustle. I think he came here illegally, right? but sort of used his personality to start training Jada Smith's dog. You know, Will was probably like, damn, I had him train the wrong bitch. Would have been nice if Caesar Blanc could have taught that one to heal as well. And then, you know, it rewards risk. So then these stories probably matriculate back through, the countries people come from and they go, hey, man, you can really make something yourself.

Look at Caesar Maloney came illegally, you know, made it into this, they became a mogul. America definitely rewards risk. So people are going, let me just come here and give it a shot. Immigrants will often, you know, bring their relatives, friends, and go, hey man, let's just, you know, I'll pay you off the books, you know, whatever. So I think a lot of our immigrants that come here are just hope-filled, right? Like, hey, man, America, you know, it's like the Scarface story. Just come here, bro, sell cocaine. We export our movies, all these immigrants doing it, the Godfather, come here, do crime,

become a gangster, make your money, fast women, fast cars, you know, Corey Haim, Corey Feldman, they're rolling around. Look at those streets. They're paved with gold, right? And then you land in Michigan, and you're like, oh, fuck. This doesn't look like anything. This doesn't look anything like the streets that Corey Haim and Corey Feldman were driving through. And then you find out what Corey Haim had to go through to get in that movie.

And you go on like, I'd much rather be an immigrant in Michigan. Everything has a cost, right? There's got to be a reason why they pick one kid over the other, right? And I think that reason could be the tightness. of their asshole. I'm sorry, I'm in a very frank mood. I mean, because when you look at talent, I mean, you're splitting hairs.

It must, it could be just how much the mother and parents are willing to look the other way about the measuring they do in the tightness of the tool. It's unfortunate. I'm not saying it's fortune. I'm not trying to make light of it. That's funny that I'm saying,

I'm not trying to make light of it while I'm making light of it. But these are harsh realities. create, nor do I endorse. As your next candidate for mayor, I am going to be running against Johan Zamdami. I'm going to be running against this guy who's going to get rid of private property. When you dig back into his thoughts, you're like, this kid is a communist.

Anyway, I guarantee you that he's going to win, and I guarantee you that there'll be an upshut and crime. That's a prediction. I'm not saying I don't understand why people are upset. I understand. I understand why people are upset, right? You're a comedian, you're a movie editor, you're a copywriter, you're whatever.

You know, you want your dream. You're young, you're 24. Women won't fuck you because everyone's a predator. They look at men like predators, so you're frustrated, you're jacking off. You can't find a job. You look at Matt Rife. He's beautiful.

He got his teeth fixed. You know, you start going, you just start thinking, You just start considering everyone who does better than you is just Donald Trump. There's a lot of people just go, Matt Rife is Donald Trump. Just a symbol of like, I don't know. It's just got to be something. There's got to be something fucking corrupt about Matt Rife. So you get angry.

I understand. It's an anger vote. That's another thing people never talk about with communism. It's an anger vote. It's a vote of like, I'm not getting my beak wet. I'm young. My dreams aren't coming. True. Everyone who's more successful

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But also, immigrants are very welcome, like I said, by employers who need them for cheap labor. And oftentimes a lot of those corporations will, you know, say, hey, you know, they'll publicly say, hey, you know, we're all for the American worker and we support this anti-immigration, you know, speak. But privately, they will surreptitiously fund, you know, diversity initiatives or open border. open border non-profits to keep the gravy train coming and moving. Isn't that a big surprise? Is that a big surprise to people that people have a public face and a private face? Why does everyone believe everything everyone says all the time? Okay.

Dole, Del Monte, Grimway Farms, tons of undocumented immigrant workers that work as seasonal labors to harvest crops. That's in agriculture. Then you've got meat packing. You're never going to see a six-foot-one someone with Norwegian roots working in a meat. Have you ever seen the meat? Have you ever seen

when they sneak those camera to the meat farmers? Nobody's over three foot seven. They're all mestizo. Right? They're all undocumented. It's dangerous work. It's grueling. Doesn't pay well.

You're cutting up meat. So they take undocumented workers. Companies like Tyson Foods been caught, Smithfield Foods, JBS USA. And some of these companies have been rated by ice, and they're going, guys, what the fuck? Your fucking son's not going to get a summer job here. What the fuck are you doing? Do you want your meat or not? Do you want your meat for $499 or not, right?

You want burgers this 4th of July that don't cost $25 or not? Because let me guess, your fucking son who's at Vassar University for $8,000 a year ain't taking a summer job in a slaughterhouse, right? Construction, of course, another one, undocumented labor. And let me just tell you something. I mean, if there was a Michael Jordan of construction, like manual labor and construction, it would be undocumented workers. I mean, you know, how do you resist that?

You're going, oh, man, I want to support American. So you pay, you know, some fucking legacy landscaper comes over with the name Giovanni Bicenini. And he gives you a quote that's 10 times as high. as the Mexican guys just gave you and then you hire him because you're, you know, you want to support American, you think you're like this fucking you know, nativist Republican who cares

about America first. And then you just see them eating fucking gabagool sandwiches, taking lunch breaks. The guy's fat. You ever see how fat these legacy fucking landscapers are that show up? Their fourth

generation Italian company. Oh, my dad used to have this whole neighborhood. Yeah, your dad immigrated here with a piece of bread and a nickel. He had some work ethic. Not like you who throws a chicken parm in his face at the first chance he gets, you know, and breaks my back for how long it takes and then charges me more because he breaks something and then says, I got to fix this too. So I want the Mexican who's just happy to be here and will keep quiet because he doesn't want me to call ice. Those are attractive amenities in the marketplace.

Did Adam Smith ever account for documented and undocumented labor? Did he ever account for the laziness of empire? These are factors that come into play, right? Comfort corrupts. You think for one fucking second that this new storage bucket that I bought off of Amazon has been put together and is not sitting outside. my garage for a week? Do you think for one second that that's not true? It's true. I bought this thing. It's sitting in a box and it's just leaning up against my garage. Why? Because the thought

of putting it together makes me tired. I've wanted to call the Mexican guy who does things in my house, but I'm too embarrassed as a man to let him know that I want him to put it together. So I'm waiting for something to really break in my house so I can throw that in as an extra. Oh, by the way, also you might put that together, I'll throw you another couple, 20 bucks. Because all you got to do is turn some fucking wrenches. I don't think Adam Smith accounted for that when he came up with the invisible hand, right? Because if we're just going by the invisible hand, let's be honest, undocumented labor works. It works well.

It works very well. Works very well. Hospitality. Now, these, I'm bringing up these industries because these are all. all big offenders for illegal labor. They rely on low-wage labor for cleaning, food prep, dishwashing, maintenance. Marriott, Hilton, McDonald's franchises, and various other restaurants and groups. I mean, when's the last time you saw a white busboy in New York?

They're just not around. And I don't mean, oh, it's a race thing. I mean, it's a South American who speaks English as a second language. And let me tell you something, I fucking love them. They work, there's just no bullshit. There's something to someone who just works and doesn't talk. You ever get to an Uber and the guy speaks English and you're like, ah, fuck. I love a good immigrant Uber driver who's just going to take me to my destination and I can,

I can scroll on my phone in peace. I don't got to make fake conversation. But I'm a New Yorker. people like that banter when you go to other every time i get to an uber on the road and it's you know some divorce housewife sad taking a third job who wants to talk trying too hard to get her five stars and her extra five percent tip i don't like that all right i like a Pakistani guy who's happy with a with a five percent tip i'm just kidding i give 20 percent or whatever it keeps going up this tipping culture's crazy dog this tipping culture is crazy you know

everything has a screen now and they start at like 20%, 25, 30%, almost, you want to pay almost half more? You ever notice the options they give you? And then you feel guilty because the person is standing right there who handed you a fucking coffee and they're giving you an option

to tip someone who handed you a coffee. Pay these people a working wage. I mean, this is bullshit. Yeah, it goes, hey, would you like to play 20%, 25%. How about the mortgage on your house? Give them your house. 25% 30% your house let them fuck your wife

it's gotten a little crazy the tipping culture i'm just saying obviously domestic care and caregiving everyone knows about jimmy canaanis in the city um nannies mexican nannies on the west coast um elder care providers hard work You're basically talking about hard work that often gets paid under the table. Why does it get paid under the table? Clean house clebers. You don't want to deal with insurance. You don't want to deal.

You don't want to ask questions. You don't want to deal. You've got to pay all these things. Taxes are like, what are the taxes? You have to pay so much. You've got to go through bureaucracy. You've got to check papers. And you've got to pay more.

Nobody wants to do it for that. So it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, apply and demand. Undocumented labor is willing to do jobs that documented labor just isn't willing to do. And that's why undocumented labor exists. They wouldn't come here if they didn't get jobs. Here's an interesting thing. Some warehouse operations also rely on undocumented labor, and they do it, and this is the surreptitious kind of, you know, tricky way they do it, is they use subcontractors for packing, sorting, and loading. So you don't really tie it to Amazon or whatever.

It's tied to the subcontractor who they use, who maybe they own it through a subsidiary. I mean, you know, companies can get very tricky. So Amazon itself has strict HR practices, but these smaller third-party logistics contractors often use undocumented labor. So undocumented labor is illegal, blah, blah, blah. So many big companies outsource labor to subcontractors to distance themselves from direct legal responsibility. So humans always find a loophole.

It's called a loophole. Some of these industries lobby Congress for guest worker programs or oppose strict immigration enforcement because they rely on this labor supply. So don't always think that, you know, these companies that's, that, you know, this is a more grassroots movement. This is more American workers going, hey, what the fuck's going on, man? What the fuck's going on? All I hear about is gay rights and privilege and all this cultural stuff and bathrooms.

But like, my fucking job is gone. To this Haitian, he took four jobs, right? And some of it you're going, hey, man, this is the marketplace, dog. You're too lazy. But then, you know, you got to smell goats cooking on your front lawn. And there's cultural struggles. It happens with the Greeks. I'm an immigrant.

I know. I bet you, you know, when my dad first moved to Park Slope, which back then was an Irish. working class neighborhood in the 50s. A lot of cops on my block. You know, I bet you they were going like fucking. And the Irish used to be those. But then the Irish kind of got a little assimilated

because they found employment with the FD and Y and NWPD. And they were probably looking at the Greeks who moved in like these dirty Greeks are going to be cooking lambs on the front of the lawns. And it's true. I remember there was this fancy restaurant, which is one of my favorite. I'm not going to say the name. one of my favorite to see it's a high class

Greek restaurant but they got in trouble because on Greek Easter they put the lamb out in the front in midtown Manhattan so there was like just smoke barreling

and just like the corpse of a lamb up you know and it's like that you can't do that you can't do that here and they're like what we're doing in the village

what do you mean what's a problem what's a problem here with Greek people what we do here we put the lamb we have with Greeks well

I'm a Greek, who you're not Greek? You don't understand what's happened with you. So those things play out in the neighborhoods and then gangs form and they fight each other and they compete over labor. And while the people who are benefiting off the imported labor or the illegal labor jet set around the world. But immigration ultimately, I would say probably a net benefit.

Second generation immigrants often do very well. First generation immigrants often, I think, work harder than native populations. You know, I think like most things, if it bleeds, it leads. So they usually go with these ones who don't assimilate and they emphasize those because they have an agenda. They're serving a population that's angry. You know, if you're bitter and angry, the news will find you. A pundit will find you and find you a scapegoat for their own. ratings for their own economic needs, they will find you a scapegoat, but also sometimes it just

doesn't work out. And sometimes, like in Sweden, you know, the problem with a bleeding heart is it just there's no end to your emotional, you know, it's endless. Empathy is endless. So Sweden's gone like, we'll take them all, you know, because the people. People got so comfortable and fucking, you know, happy over there. They're like, everything became this kind of like, oh, man, America's evil. We're anti-racist people. We're so good Swedes. We're going to bring artsy's refugees in.

And anyone who questions how he brings them in is a racist. Well, that didn't work out. That didn't work out. That just didn't work out. People didn't assimilate riots, riots in immigrant neighborhoods, crimes through the roof, and most importantly, a real, real burden on the welfare state because people weren't getting jobs. They weren't learning the language. It weren't whatever. So Sweden brought in people just because they wanted to be good. Whereas countries like Denmark are more selective. Canada, more selective, right? When you come, it's immediate language training, job training. mandatory. It's for a labor purpose. A lot of times in history, you know, they bring over waves of Italians or Greeks or whatever to build shit, Irish, you know? The Brooklyn Bridge wasn't built by a gentleman. And that seems to work better when you bring it over people to work,

to fill a gap in a labor market. When you're just being good, often being good, unfortunately, being naive. You know how it is. There's a lot of you out there who've dated narcissists. I can tell by how big the booming narcissists content genre is. You know, it's all these girls, all these women who've, whose boyfriends are cheated on them. It's like sitting there crying

and being like, I was fucking duped. It was, we're all narcissists. So, it just got to a point in Sweden where finally um, you know, they started letting,

debate happened because it was just it was bad they saw an alarming rise in violence and rapes it's just it's just fact and it was uh it was all immigrants doing it for the most part uh 30 bombings in a single month uh regular lethal attacks in major cities like stockholm gottenburg and malmo which i've been to all three there was a obri or a bro gun massacre targeting adult education, migrants. Oh, yeah, so what's this? Oh, this is all gang violence. Oh, no, this was, they killed, oh, this is the backlash.

Backlash because they saw an alarming level of violence, organized crime networks from migrants, bombings. And so then, of course, that gives rise to your Nazis, and then they start fucking anti-Muslim sentiment, It starts growing. They start fucking writing on mosques. And the far right rises. And then finally, they made some changes.

They made some policy reforms. So starting June 1st, 2026, they're going to extend the residency requirement for citizens from five to eight years, mandate stable income, absence of criminal history, and a declaration of loyalty to Sweden. The migration agency forecast a drop in citizenship approvals by roughly 23,000 applicants and a back level of 86,000 cases, many waiting more than four years. So they've closed the door.

They've rejected asylum seekers who had employment can no longer convert to work permits within Sweden. They've got to leave, so they're kicking people out. even though employment gaps persist this is the tough part even though employment gaps persist foreign-born individuals are more likely to be unemployed or underemployed because they just don't assimilate

and that's just what happens and then they just say it nicely especially for certain nationalities whatever So it just didn't work out that well in Sweden And they had to make some changes And move more to the center And they kind of close the doors a little bit

Because it's a messy Assimilation is messy It's messy And when people first get over here It's messy Off and second generation Like I said it works out This is all common sense shit

You know And of course the closer your country is in culture, probably the easier the assimilation. I'm sure Europeans have an easier time assimilating than, you know, others, although you can see the South Asians are doing very well. Probably number one. The Nigerians also doing very well. So a lot of its work ethic, just a lot of things that don't

show up in stats but are just part of culture, I guess. Um, that, that helps. That helps. But it comes down to the question of like, what drives it? Is it greed? Is it desperation? Seems to be a little bit of both. But I think greed often gets overlooked.

Undocumented labor. We've all experienced debt. We've all paid in cash for certain things and been very happy we did. It comes down to. the eternal question of my personal want versus my public obligation. My personal want versus what that does for society. And I think in America, most often people emphasize their personal want, because we are a nation made up of individuals who immigrated here

to get as much money as we can. We don't really have a cultural identity besides football and yelling at each other. So we just want a good deal, and we just want more money. And I think that's probably the biggest driver of illegal immigration in America is padded profit margins. That's what I think. So now, you know, now, um, now, um, every president has faced this challenge of what do we do this how do we uh you know because it's like if you turn the faucet on too much you close the faucet what do you do it um

and now trump is in there trying to close the faucet he's got ice running around tackling people and they're closing faucet and a lot of people are um losing jobs and a lot of companies are losing valued labor. So it's a mess out there right now. And we're living right now in the... You know when you get hit?

You don't feel the punch. You don't really feel the punch until like a second later. You know how it takes a couple seconds? You know, we got the tariffs coming, which means prices are going up. I think people are already feeling that a little bit, but it's sort of like when the Native Americans saw the ships,

it takes a second, right? I know there's been a few times been at Starbucks and I've been like, why is that $25? I got a muffin and fucking, you know, so it takes a second for you to figure it out. I think right now we have the most credit card debt, right, of all time. Is that of all time? I think it's a record high. Record high of credit card debt. I think this is going to take a second for everything to settle in. I think the tariffs, you know, are, you know, of course prices are going up. Some of them are up already. Takes a little second for this stuff to settle in. There's

going to be a fucking, there's going to be some chaos with lost labor, immigrants going away. People have been working at companies for a while, and then they get snatched up from ice. A lot of dreamers are getting catapulted. Most of them probably work. A lot of them work. So employers are going, well, they got to fill their jobs. These are people with experience who do good jobs. Yeah, credit card is at an all, credit card debt's in an all-time high of $1.21 trillion. People are going to be angry, they're going to hit the streets. So we're in this moment right now where we're being punched,

but we don't feel the pain from the punch yet. That's crazy. So with people using their credit cards, money they don't have, prices about to go up because of tariffs, and they will. shut up. They will. Okay, that's just how it works. Companies are going to eat some of it for a little while, but what do companies ultimately do, right? They don't want to eat it. They want to pad their profit lines, so they're going

to try to pass it on to us as much as they can. So prices are going to go up. It's just what's going to happen. And also companies, corporations are losing their labor. And so what we're hoping ideally, what everyone on the right is hoping, like, hey, man, just buy American. And then you do. And then your car falls apart. Because that is the beautiful thing about capitalism is we do take the best deal, right? So people didn't start buying lexuses and Mercedes and BMWs because they were anti-American.

They bought them because our country is about individualism. And we want the best fucking price. product. And the Japs made the best product. I'm just shortening Japanese. I don't mean it in a bad way. Just like if I said, I have a friend, he's a Jew. I don't mean it in a bad way. He just is a Jew. Okay. But Tesla says they're building the most American-made vehicles on the road. But I'll be honest with you. They're made like shit. I got one. And they're great, but the construction is a little like, you know, you could, you know, you get to an accident, you just, that thing's going to crumble, but good thing it has a lot of, you know,

cameras and stuff to prevent, but they got a high safety rating, but go into like the actual because, you know, they're mass produced and they're affordable. So, you know, something's got to give. I mean, when you, when you knock on it like this, you know, it's like, is this thing made of like, is this Tupperware? It has that feel. But also, they're not the only, I mean, their factories are in China as well, right? But they're saying we're the most American made, but they get their parts from all over the fucking world.

We don't have American made shit anymore, 100% American made. We just fucking don't. Parts are made all over. It's a global economy. and you know it's funny because the thing that made us need to live together the most is capitalism

you know for all its flaws the thing that brings the world together and prevents war the most is how interdependent we have become in each other economically there isn't a car that is 100% man made American made that is a fact thank God I was right about that

because I was just going on fucking instinct and I didn't know that for a fact so Jesse pulled it up there isn't any cars that are 100% American made anymore and it used to be exclusively but then what happened is competition happens you open up the tenants of capitalism to the world

and you say hey let the marketplace decide and the marketplace went German and Japanese and it's because of their personalities and there's something about the Mexican personality that can just swing a fucking hammer on a roof you ever see some of those videos where they're just stapling shit in Who the fuck knows, dude?

There's something about a Polish guy where you just want him cutting a tree down because they're just bulky and they're strong, you know? But they're not great at math. Stereotypes don't fall. I'm kidding. I know a lot of Polish Nobel Prize winners. There's something about Jews you just want them with a calculator. I don't know.

They just seem to be good at math, science. Same thing with the Chinese. I don't know why. culture is that enough i don't know i don't know but these trends do start to emerge where you walk into a diner and you welcome how many people it just happens i don't know why i don't but here we are and so this is going to be messy is my point is it going to be messy because it's not all one of my favorite quotes from my one of my favorite movies state of grace is it goes also Woody Allen has a movie about it, like, I think it was deconstructing Harry, where it's

about the idea, you have an idea, and then you have reality, and you implement, you impregnate reality with that idea. It's never, it never goes, especially with something as complex and nuanced and multifaceted as immigration. It's not going to go as smoothly as you like, and it's all, there's also going to be, um, some contradictory points that emerge, meaning your point is I'm anti-immigration. Well, there's going to be contradictory points that emerge that you're going to find yourself agreeing with and going, oh, it's going to threaten your worldview a little bit, because that's just how this is

going to happen. Ultimately, what's the solution, Jess? Obviously, it's more organized immigration. It's more employment-based immigration. It's more initial preparation. You're bringing people in. You know who they are. You get them, you put them in classes immediately. You know, you have a certain number that you allow. And then there has, and then you have to employ some realism going, I know this is a horrible war going on over there that we probably started. with our military industrial complex, but we can't take the refugees that we create as much as we can,

unless we can somehow vet that they're willing to work like a slave because that's what immigrants, that's how hard they work. Right? It's like next to slavery. I mean, my dad told me he didn't meet his, I think he spoke to his dad for 10 minutes. And then my dad, my granddad just dropped out of a heart attack in his 60s.

I mean, he fucking had a 24-hour restaurant where he was like also the head chef. And, you know, it's like two other people working there, one of which was my dad. I mean, you got to work kind of like a slave. So you just, that should be the first question that's asked when you come here. Are you willing to work as close to a slave as possible? And deal with that and have a shitty life so your son can become a doctor. And if that person goes, without a doubt, you pull him in. was that too harsh just the word slave got you nervous yeah i know how it is but all the words around

it cooled it out so they're going to use drones they're i'm sure big contracts are coming out to uh the military industrial companies to help secure the border but i guarantee you there's going to be a backdoor. There will be a back door that those companies know about where there'll be a steady influx of farm workers, construction workers, and absolutely essential undocumented workers, unless we can figure out a way to say to billionaires, you're just going to have to take a few million less to abide by the law. You're just going to have to take a, we'll handle the criminals and all that shit by vetting, but you're going to have to take a few million. million less right you're going to have to deal with some regulation and they're going to go but

nobody works harder than someone who does it discreetly for their freedom we're going to go we know but your building is just maybe going to have to fall down just so everyone can abide the law because we can't deal with real politic anymore you know politic real we just can't we got to by the ideal that everyone who comes in here is legal, it's limited, and we want to give, we want to give students summer jobs. Come on, dog, come on. Let me ask you a question. I know you, I know you think we got to do something about this immigration problem,

but let me ask you a question, dog. Let's be honest. Let's be fucking honest, okay? A kid shows up to your house You call a maid service And a girl shows up to your house Who's doing a summer job And she goes to Sarah Lawrence University

Okay And she walks in She's like, hi, I want a summer job Cool How does like $35 an hour sound? Is that cool? Also, do you have sparkling water? You have sparkling?

water. I need a hydration break. Also, I need a phone scroll break. And this is a really cool summer job. And, oh, can I leave early? Because I'm meeting Matthias. I'm meeting Matthias. And we're going to get some organic fucking assaye balls.

Is that cool with you, Skaturo household? Okay? And then you go, okay, we're going to interview. We'll get back to you. Right? And then watch. Hey, how are you? Hello. My name is Marta. these are Beverly I don't know how there's $10 a day sound

cash clean the whole thing wash you back lick your ass Who do you go with That's an easy one for me Yeah It's an easy one for most people Well no you didn't hear what I said I'm going to go with the first one

But there's going to be a dress code Oh you go with the first one What's the dress code? Yeah Yeah, he's going to be a dress code. Wow. Creep alert, creeper. She's in college, Jeffrey Epstein.

College? I'm joking. College is legal, but I'm joking. Yeah, college is legal. College is legal. Going for the dress code, it's worth the $35. Okay, what if she's not hot? What's not a chance?

Not a chance. I mean, you made her sound pretty hot with that, boy, is? What I'm trying to say, is there not a benefit that we privately all would indulge and often do indulgent to undocumented illegal labor. From top corporations to people with nannies and gardeners. Isn't it nice to get your fucking garden done for 40 bucks cash, have your acre mode for 40 bucks clash to not have to look at Giuseppe's fat fucking gut? You know?

So let's not be hypocritical about this whole issue. issue. You've all seen the TikTok videos of fucking Mexican swinging those hammers. If there's a way, I guess, to honor the law and make them all legal, I mean, but are those the type of risk takers who swing the hammers like that? One's willing to figure out paperwork? I mean, there's, you know, there's always a give-with-a-take. There's always a check. What kind of risky personality comes in here smuggled into a fucking air-conditioner vent? That's the guy you want swinging that hammer Because he knows he's got to keep up his performance

In order for him to not get dime dropped on him All right What are the type of personalities who are going to do it legally And I'm not talking about the ones coming here to be biologists From, you know, Korea I'm talking about the ones who are going to be Hanging off of buildings and banging hammers into steel

Are those the types of personalities who like to do paperwork? I'm guaranteeing you this is not going to go clean. And I guarantee you a lot of the voices that were like so anti-immigration are feeling it a little bit right now. Can you pull up Alabama anti-immigration legislation? We have a case study on this. Just like we know in Sweden, we have a case study like, okay, you know, you can't just do this thing laissez-faire and take in everybody. It's not going to work. You can't be scared to say there's cultural differences that may not go great.

SB 5-3 and SB 63. What happened? Can you make it bigger? So, no, just go to, was it the SB 53? What was the Alabama law that backfired? Just go Alabama immigration law that backfired. That'll be the quickest way to bring it out. Because we have case studies.

You know, we do have case studies. Now, this happened, what year was it? 2011. 2011, okay? It was called HB56. So the law designed to deter unauthorized immigration, and it led to a decrease overall. This is just a summation. It led to a decrease in the state's workforce, particularly obviously in agriculture,

and caused a decline in local economies. due to reduce spending and more importantly, labor shortages. It sparked legal challenges and it ended up being reversed. It was partially struck down. The law led to a mass exodus of immigrant workers, including those who were legally present, causing significant disruptions in industries like agriculture, construction, and hospitality. It's what's going to happen.

It's what's happening now. if your if your hotel room smells a little bad it's because it was cleaned by a white kid with a summer job Alabama experienced a decline in tax revenue due to reduce spending labor shortages estimates rates so they lost from millions to hundreds of millions of dollars in the economy lost and of course a lot of the legal immigrants lost because they were scared

because it was such an anti-immigrant fervor coming politically right and in public opinion and from the pundits you know so the people like I'm just fucking out of here I don't want to deal with like getting a cross burn on my lawn or whatever so they just left and these farm owners were like what the fuck and then I think um the reason why this is just over there they ended up trying to hire um like prison release people to do the work and I remember watching a video where this farmer getting interviewed he's like these guys want smoke breaks and you know it's like it didn't they called

Couldn't find anyone to work for what he could afford. And so they tried to do, like, prison release. And it's like, those guys were, like, just smoking cigarettes. So some studies suggest the law even led to an increase in violent crime rates. The law created fear and anxiety amongst immigrants, of course, their families. And so they fled. and the law criminalizing, helping unauthorized immigration

and put religious and humanitarian organizations, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Basically, this summation, I know, I remember knowing a lot about this because I was fascinated by it. It basically got overturned. It didn't work out the way that they thought it was going to work out, obviously, right? So it just didn't work out.

And so they had to change it a little bit, which is kind of what Trump did a little bit, right? when he let, he gave some pardons for farm workers and shit, because the farmers were probably going like, dude, you don't fucking understand how this works. If you want to get MS-13, fine. So, like, people with criminal record, like, you got, you can't just have, like, this, like, no more competitive labor because there's something about who's willing to do the job for a certain amount of money. And that is tied to, in some ways, their status. Unfortunately. right it's the real world

but we're going to see how it plays out because this will be a case study and we'll see how it plays out a lot of people right now are saying the tariff thing is going beautifully it's been what a couple weeks tariffs are still being negotiated

looks like Europe the tariff is working out for America right but I think Europe did that and America did that to kind of stick it to Russia a little bit. They made a deal. They got to buy energy anyway, right?

So you're like, we're going from Russia to America. So that's going to squeeze Russia bad. But he cut a good deal there, right? It comes out in America's favor. Like I said, don't underestimate the Don. Because normally, you would say common sense would say, we're going to have major upheaval. But just maybe he'll be able to shuffle all the negatives under the rug

and plow forward like Donald Trump does. Accusations of knowing Jeffrey Epstein and all. This may all work out, but I think in private, you could probably get anyone who's reasonable to say something was needed to be done. And it was always going to be a little messy because it did start to get a little out of hand. And the point we made on this podcast was

it wasn't just the illegals fault. It was the corporations and a certain class of people who love undocumented labor to pad their stats. Like Jesse is here on an HB1V, and he's about to run out, and he's about to be replaced by your replacement who's been living in my closet. And why the closet? Because I still use some of this space. so I forced her and him and they're 14 kids to live in the closet

but they have to pay me $400 a month and believe it or not the kid fucking learned he learned your job he learned your job quick he learned how to press record he learned at a press record

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