Yet Another Star Trek Podcast - Ep 019: (SNW S01E09) All Those Who Wander

Episode Date: July 5, 2022

This week The Gang watches All Those Who Wander, an episode where we are introduced to two brand new expendable characters, aliens bursting out of people, and Aliens with Predator vision. I may have just described the last Alien vs Predator movie, but I can assure you we watched Star Trek. Drew nerd rages, I mean hosts, actually I mean both… while Brad and Majeed battle to the death. Listen in to find out if anything I said is true!!! Be sure to check out our website, social media, and join our Discord! Links for all are listed below: Website | Discord | Facebook | Instagram | Twitter | TikTok | YouTube Drop us an email at [e-mail]! “Warp Speed” and "To the Stars" was written and performed by William Grobbelaar Music: https://soundcloud.com/williamgrobbelaarmusic Additional artwork by George Rateau: https://www.fiverr.com/georgerateau

Hey everybody, welcome to yet another Star Trek podcast. My name's Drew, I'll be your host for the evening morning morning morning Evening morning whenever time you're listening to this. I'm your host and of course as always I am joined by My two cohorts in crime. Yeah Brad. We got magi Brad good morning sir magi A lot of you guys are like so coordinated with your greetings. This is great You called a coordinated. I call it just Brad copying me. You went first Yeah, I did technically so is therefore you copied me. He's a time traveler

True true. We have established this You know, you know, Mijee, right now, I'm looking at your video and I'm just like waiting for the sun to blind you through your clients. They're going on your face and it's like getting slowly down close to the eyes. It's like when you're driving a car and you're trying to look at the traffic light,

but it's like just sun in your face. So you put down the visor and it only like covers part of it, but the traffic light is blocked by the visor. So you're kind of like in and out between that little crack between the rear view mirror and the visor. Yeah. And you're squinting a little bit. You're just like, is it green yet? Is it can I go? So I have a quick little blurb about this, about that kind of same thing. Yesterday morning when I was hidden to the gym, I take my truck in the morning because, you know,

it makes you feel powerful. I'm a man. Anyway, because I'm a man, right. So I'm turning onto a main road and I turn into, you know, where the sun's coming up. It's like 6 o'clock in the morning. And I wasn't hitting close to the sidewalk, but I was maybe three feet away from this little old lady who wasn't on the sidewalk.

She was walking on the street. Oh my God, you're good. Because of an old lady? Almost. Three feet away, three feet away. And I didn't see it because of the glare. But I'm like, wait a minute, did I just almost murder someone with my vehicle?

I was far enough away. I was going only five miles an hour, but she wasn't on the sidewalk. Is that victim blaming if I say she's not on a sidewalk? It's a bit bad. Yeah. You would lose. Yeah. You would lose. Yeah.

I could lose. Well, whatever. Nothing happened. My wife has asked me about that a few times. She's like, what if they do something stupid? It was like, well, you still get in trouble. I mean, listen, your wife's driving is demolition Derby, right? Well, you know, thankfully she doesn't listen to the podcast,

so therefore I can be very honest. It's bad. Yeah, before she got a, you know, with child, she was a demolition derby champion. Yeah, that's pretty close, Zachary and Steven. I mean, she is pretty accomplished. She was able to hit a parked car. That is the same, the same parked car.

She left, so we're gonna run a blog and came back, hit it again. Oh my goodness. So real quick guys, just something that I kind of want to take care of. A couple of weeks ago, we covered an episode called The Serene Squall and it was brought to our attention that one of our listeners sent us a message and we appreciate this. It was brought to our attention that we referred to Dr. Aspin and the character Angel as well using gender feminine terms. And we just wanted to take a moment to address that and apologize, that was certainly not our intention to do.

So we did some research on the actress, Jesse James-Kaitel, who does use feminine terms. So we assumed incorrectly that the character did as well. And we were wrong and we made a mistake. And we just wanted to apologize for that. If anybody was offended or anything of that nature, certainly wasn't our intention. We just simply made a mistake. And we're really sorry about that. To be clear, they uh, Captain Angel identifies as they them.

Right. Correct. Yeah. Okay. And it was an anything intentional. We do apologize to listeners. Um, and to, of course, the actor who plays the character, um, we, we do apologize sincerely, uh, for that mistake. You know, it's definitely something that, um, you know, we need to do better with in the future. So just want to apologize. And yeah, and to the listener too, who touched base with us, we thank you for letting your comments know.

So you were heard and we appreciate it and we have again Paul just. Alright guys so this week we watched an episode of Strange New Worlds called All Those Who Wander. Or as would have been better term this week on cooking with pike. Get a lovely breakfast spread. You know, mouthwatering bake-in, delicious omelets, waffles to die for. I know this is really appealing to Majid in particular right now who just hit a PR in the gym before jumping on this podcast. Congratulations, buddy. I'm really proud of you. I know you're so hungry right now and so tired. I am so hungry and I spelled so much energy.

I think we were talking about this before. It was so stupid. It was so dumb. Like I woke up and chose violence and now I'm regretting it. Well, you could have chose waffles. Additionally, we get introduced to two delightfully new characters, Cadet Chia and Ensign. I mean, Lieutenant Duke.

I really do hope we get to learn so much more about these characters in future episodes. Anyway, Uher and Chia have reached the end of their assignment on the Enterprise, and they will be heading back to Earth after one final mission. While at breakfast, Pike receives a priority one mission from Starfleet advising another ship has transmitted a distress signal, because they are already on a priority one mission, this makes it priority two! I mean, wait, that mission is priority two, this one is priority one mission. This makes it priority two. I mean, wait, that mission is priority two. This one's priority one. But, but they both go it. And so therefore they're both priority one.

Oh no. Okay. So this is why they split up. Pike decides to take a couple of shuttles with bunch of crew members. Go find out what happened to the missing ship. While the enterprise zooms off to their other priority one mission. I think we've talked about this. You don't split the party. But they did. But you shouldn't. Yes, but they did. And I think we'll see some some results because of that. I don't know. Well, anyway, the crew lands the shuttles on a very bleak cold desolate ice planet and the crash ship, which is also a constitution class. Nice little geek moment there. Thank you, Drew, for pointing that out. You're welcome. I don't get it. It's the same class. I mean, it's the same class as ship back as the Enterprise.

Did you know is it looked like the Enterprise? Yes. No, I didn't. Okay. Well, you kicked off the podcast. Wait, I'm, wait, wait, no, you can't, no. I just did. I just did it.

You can't. All right, well, you have a dimaret. That's fair, I love it. How does that feel, Majid? How does it feel to receive dimarrads? Brad, listen, you're what to talk, buddy. You owe me so many, you owe me so many, owe me so, my God, words.

You owe me so many dimarrads right now. Bradie, Bradie, Bradie, Bradie, Bradie. Brad. Brad. Brad. Upon arrival, they quickly see blood from their fallen starfully comrades. Through the captain's logs, we learn that the ship had found three castaways on another M-class planet, a human girl, an alien of unknown species, and an Orion. The Orion was infected with gorn eggs. And in an attempt to end his life, he damaged the ship, causing it to crash.

Uh, who is able to detect two life signs on board, the girl and an unknown species. I have a very strong alien vibe. Dude, I want to talk about that. Oh, sorry. You have a strong alien vibe. I mean, no, you can't say that when it... Have you ever seen a movie, Alien? Yes. Okay. So, it's my true.

I'll give it a little bit of a... I feel like he hasn't seen it. I feel like this is... I feel like this is... I know what the movie is like But for the listeners no I get it. No listen. They're no because they turn Sam Kirk into Hicks That's aliens What did I say well? We're talking alien the first one. Yeah, the same thing isn't no no no not even No, all right, so Frank is going to make fun of me.

I never saw both of them. I just know the references. So you just know the memes. I know the memes and I know I know the quotes. Game over man, game over and I mean, I appreciate the Hicks reference. So I mean, like, I'll give you like, I'll take away the merit for that. Oh, cool. So Brad's the only one with the merits. Brad's the merits. No, not this episode. No, overall though, you are a net negative.

Yeah, you'll never dig yourself out of that one, buddy. No, no, no, it's to be expected. You're your demarraser comparable to the national debt. It's to be expected. You're you're the Mara's are comparable to the national debt So Pike sang in Uhera are able to locate the two survivors and they bring him back to sickbay to be treated Eventually the unknown alien starts to have health issues labor breathing sweaty rash So me after I eat bacon. Bacon, really? Yeah.

All right. Anyway, my cholesterol is to the roof, man. Oh, jeez, I'm gonna get that checked. I just travel to the future and get the cholesterol cure. Nurse Chapel and Kinect Chia attempt to identify what's happening to this unknown species. And while they're diagnosing them, baby Gorn bursts out of the alien killing Chia immediately. Chapel and the girl manage to evade the creatures, however, there's like what, four Gorn to come out of this dude?

Yeah. Those Gorn. Oh, those Gorn all look like those little ugly baby aliens. Uh, baby, God, the chest persters. Well, no, the, no baby God, tell us you know what it kind of remind me of a remind me of Spaceballs with the alien first out.

It is like, hello, Bonnie. Hello, baby. I love the sugar. Yeah. I was thinking the same thing, Brad. I love that movie so much. Majeed, have you seen Spaceballs? I saw Spaceballs, but I didn't love it.

I think my favorite male books movie overall is Robert Mennitite's. That is a great movie. That's a good movie. I can't be mad at you for that either. But yeah, no, this is 100% like chess bursters except coming out of the back. So they're back b they're backpersters. Very original. Very original.

Well, you know copyright. Mm. Meanwhile on another part of the ship, Embangas helping Duke with an injury he sustained while making repairs. Without warning, the baby Gorda text Duke, dragging him off and killing him. The crew may have to, I have to say real quick here. Those babies grew up real quick to

just drag a grown man off. Well, I think they explained that it depends on the eating species and how far they evolve. Right? Or out. Yeah, no, they did explain it, but that's that's just like saying science. Well, they do that a lot in modern Star Trek. But you have to admit though, it's like they burst out of the guys back and then all of a sudden they drag off a grown full man. Those aren't my gorn by the way. My gorn wears turtlenecks and gets hit

and head would rock my gurg. Right. Hatch tag not my gorn. Hatch tag not my gorn hashtag not my the crew make their way through the hellish ship jumping at any noise sing identifies that there are only three gorn hatchlings around so they killed one of them or were there were

only three at the beginning I thought they were for I think they killed one because they were usually for the killed one and then another one died at some point They stepped on the tree. Oh, yeah, maybe they're worth three. I don't know No, these are these are details that I don't have time for Hammer and who are you while? Well, other details before like memory alphas update so therefore I kind of have to like wing it

Yeah, he says these are details. I don't have time Can we just take a second to appreciate that? It's I feel the same as that way. I'm tired. I'm tired This is my bedtime. I know you guys just woke up. We're all making sacrifices to our schedule for the past few weeks And I've been up since 5 a.m. I love you guys so much I've been up since 4 p.m. Actually, no, I woke up at 3 p.m. I've been up since I woke up at 630 720 I got up at 630

Well, you're in a different time zone, right? No, which and no, and I said that at different time zone I'm I'm the furthest west you can get in the same time zone. So you're 30 minutes behind. No, Drew could, Drew could continue. I don't even know how. Hemmer and her are working and engineering to help restore power when a much larger gorn attacks the creature spits some acidity spit venom

and it hits himmer. Thankfully, Singh helps Fendoff Hammer. Wait, what? Singh, Singh shoots the alien or something. Thankfully, Singh helps Fendoff the Gorn off of him. Oh, oh, totally miswrote that. Yeah, yeah, that was totally me. Oh, don't you dare, Masha. Oh, oh, totally miswrote that. Yeah. Yeah. That was totally me. Oh, don't shoot dare.

Shame. Shame. Shame. The world needs to know. I don't want. I don't want. I don't want to. I don't want to.

I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't want to.

I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't want to. kill him. Yeah, he's like, no. With things seemingly hopeless, Sam Kirk starts losing his cool and realizes that he is in fact a red shirt, despite wearing blue yet again. The curtain devices at plan to get rid of the Gorn, Sam Kirk and others. I mean, the curtain devices of plan to get rid of the Gorn. Yeah, using the Gorn to help eliminate themselves. And direct movement with the cold so so the the just of the plan is the gorn are so vicious and

They will attack each other if they believe that They they will survive there could be only more dominance. Yeah, it's certainly exactly. They're all alphas So there has to be one alpha left alpha gorn Just like highlight there. They can only be one. They're can onlyphas. So there has to be one alpha left alpha-gorn Just like highlight there. They can only be one. They're can only yeah, there can be only one Alpha-gorn kind of sounds like a supplement that Majid might use Yeah, no totally it has like 50 grams of protein iron base protein right and venom and the rock adorses it The rock the rock the rock being a dorses it to stop believing Brad.

Spock rage is out at a gorn to help provoke it's tricking it into attacking and killing one of its own and then sing then leads the last gorn to engineering where they're able to freeze it to death. With all the Gorn dead, the crew breathes the sigh of relief. However, this is too soon. Hemmer has been infected with Gorn eggs from the acidy spit. Against the wishes of the weight team, Hemmer leaps off the side of the ship, sacrificing his life for the others. Back apart the Enterprise, the crew mourns the loss of their comrades, Spock embraces

Chapel and Uhera contemplates their future. To sum up this week's episode, Panic Mode Sam Kirk survives. Spock rage is a real thing. Wearing red shirts may actually save your life. And they just killed off the freaking engineer, the ship. What the hell is going on with that? It's not even the end of the first season. They're going to start writing in new engineers.

Now, Hammer was a great character. What the heck is going on here guys? Don't you dare say anything Brad let him go I have only begun sit listen, don't you dare gaslight him? I have don't you dare say that hammer needed to die because hammer needed to die. It's a let let's do go I I wasn't gonna say that. I was gonna agree with you. Your mouth says you agree your eyes say otherwise. I feel like you're gaslighting Drew now. He's gaslighting both of us. He's gaslighting you particularly.

Listen, Gaslight Drew is the best Drew. I love Gaslight Drew. So so do we want I like you particularly. Listen, Gasoline Drew is the best Drew. I love Gasoline Drew. So, so do we want to start with the end of this episode first and then talk our way backwards or what? So can I just just really quick off the bat? I did not like this episode. I did not find one thing at all that I joined about this episode. Oh boy. Let's let's go into that. Tell us about that. I listen, I, in this episode, just for some reason,

could not hold my interest. I could not interest you like horror suspense stuff. I like, I like suspense movies. I, I, I, we've talked about this before. Like, I like things where, you know, there's obviously a team clock and there's suspense. There's what's gonna happen next. But I told you those movies that you've described were more like action thrillers. Starting the rock.

Yeah, pretty much. But like, name one suspense movie that you really enjoyed. Bingo. Yeah, so I'm because I'm not trying to call you out on this. Like to me, like I don't think I think to me, you don't care for suspense. And that's probably why you didn't really care for the episode. No, you know what? It depends on what kind of suspense we're talking about, right?

Because now you can say that uncut gems, what's the suspense movie because you're at the edge of your seat the entire time. Let's uncut gems. Oh god, you're the worst. The man really don't know. I have never seen that movie or even heard of it. So I'm cutting James. I have a movie. I'm cutting James is a movie with Adam Sandler. He plays a jeweler. And this takes place back when Kevin Gardner was still on the Celtics. He has his... Was on Netflix? No, it was not on Netflix. It went to theaters.

It's actually got Adam Sandler, basically his best performance in the movie ever, and he got a Hinozcanon. I've never heard of this movie before, I'm surprised. But it's high stakes. It is for him. It's described as a crime thriller. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And basically, you have, yeah, and it's, it's, it's,

it grabs you by the throat and it doesn't let go. I'm so sorry. And, and that kind of goes into what I was referring to. I think you're more into thrillers. No, I have that song stuck in my head all day. Well, I can, I can tell you that I'm not a particularly big fan of suspense and horror movies. And it's not that like I find them scary, I kind of find them boring. They tend to all be basically the same thing.

They rely on jump scares. And it just doesn't really strike me as something that's particularly original. How about cabin in the woods? I haven't seen it. It's with Thor. Thor is in it. Did you enjoy that, Mj? No, I didn't even see it. Yeah. I know that there's a stupid twist, but I know that there's a stupid twist, but that's said, I do really like the alien movies. I think it's the sci-fi twist that does it for me, but like those films have had diminishing returns. The first movie, I think, is a classic, all-time classic. The second movie is a classic in its own right in a different way Well, the second one's an action movie right so then a suspense thriller. Um correct, but I

Kind of understand where your perspectives are at this point. I I on their hands actually really enjoyed this episode It was it was campy. Right from the beginning, like the introduction of the two new characters, Chia and then Duke, and it was, it was one of those situations where I was like, huh, why are they introducing these two brand new characters? And then I find out what type of, but so this was and was like, okay, they're gonna die. And it made perfect sense. I was a little disappointed that they killed off

Chia and Duke almost immediately and then almost like back to back They didn't like separate where there did some sort of like, you know fight sequence or or something like that but I I think that with I think that with the whole situation, it made sense. I think the biggest thing that kind of surprised me is Hemmer. Yeah. So Hemmer is dead.

We don't know that, We haven't seen a body. I'm pretty sure he's dead. Hemer's done. Hemer's gone. Hemer's gone. You don't know that. You see a body. I could say the same thing about what's his face's daughter. Well, hold up. Okay. I'm not taking Magi's side on this. However, what's his name from Discovery?

Hugh Culber. He died. And they brought him back somehow. That was a mirror universe thing. He was a mirror, though. The Culber that's in that's in discovery like Wasn't was it well he was like trapped in the Mycelial network he was because it was um how he died

If I remember he is consciousness anyway, they brought they brought him back. I'm not taking Majid's side. But it's technically they could bring him back. I don't think they will. You don't know what you landed on. You see, I think, man, I'm right there with you Drew. I'm very frustrated, they killed off Hammer because they didn't even really give him his own little niche.

He showed up for a couple of episodes, reoccurring, it felt more of like a reoccurring character, and then they just dropped him. He wasn't, he wasn't me. The purpose of Hammer. The purpose of Hammer was to inspire you, honestly. Yeah, and then once they did that, they like, they're like, okay, we're done with you.

And that's just ridiculous. Here's the problem that I have. Okay. They just killed off the chief engineer. Now they're just going to, I guarantee you, we're going to see Scotty show up now. And it's like, you had a perfectly good engineer that you don't need Scotty. Did Scotty work under pike? Not that I know of, but neither did Uhera until the strange New Worlds. Well, there's like rumors going around that this is going to turn into the reboot of the original series. I haven't heard that, but that doesn't surprise me. And that infuriates me. And I really hope that they don't take that path, but I could unfortunately see it turning

that way. I'm willing to give the show the benefit of the doubt because it has surpassed my expectations a great deal. But with Hammer's death though, like I feel it was very meaningless. It didn't contain some sort of great sacrifice. It was just, I'm infected, I can't risk causing more death. I'm ending my life. It was a step up from Tasha Yare. But no, God, yes. Yeah. Yeah. Who's that? Yeah. It's the next generation character that that died also in season one

Also near no She's a fan fan favorite What's that we know she's dead. Yeah? Yeah, there was a body. Okay. Okay. How is it? She did come back in season three? Yeah. Yeah, there's a whole thing.

But yeah, death is never permanent in comic books and it's... Star Trek. And Star Wars apparently. But with Hammer, like I was hoping to have more of a story arc with him. I was hoping to have more of a story arc with him. The whole, the whole Gorn thing kind of bugs me a bit, because it's becoming more of like a, kind of like a parasitic

type of alien that just kind of is hostile, extremely hostile, and then it's the, it feel, they feel very mindless and they, I don't know, it just, it doesn't feel was a hashtag not my gorn. The hashtag that my gorn. Here's the thing that stood out to me with them, right? We had this awesome introduction to them earlier this season. We didn't get to see them. It was very much that submarine battle. We rated it really highly. We all loved it. It was a tremendous episode. I think it would have been better for them to kind of make us wait, but this series just seems to be obsessed with this immediate gratification

and it's starting to bother me. Do you remember how long it was between the introduction of the Borg and our next, uh, the next time we saw them, in next generation, Brad? Yeah, but I think the difference though was the, the, the Borg were not meant to be the main villain in the series and I remember Reading that the Ferengi were they were kind of just they just backfired and there was like oh they're very comical Villains and so they had to reworking. I think that's kind of why it took so long to for us to see the board but You know, I kind of understand where you're coming from, and I'm trying to give the show the benefit of the doubt, and I feel like the introduction that we saw today,

the Gorn, is more of that understanding what the Gorn are, because those are not sentient adults. Gorn. Can I offer a theory why I think you guys are really upset about Hammer? Sure. Go for it. I have a list of gaslight both of you. I think you expected something

and the show subverted your expectations. What did we expect? So you expected more from himmer. You expected everyone to get their arc because you liked the character. They subverted your expectations. I think like his arc happened over multiple episodes rather than one like you know featured episode. Like I'm kind of over the idea of everybody getting like their own episode at this point Yeah, they haven't really been really consistent with what what I I see is the writing on the wall with a character who's been written off the show So that he could be replaced by a legacy character. I Really hope they don't do that though. I hope not either but I don't see them writing in another engineer unless they plan to

kill that one off too. Like what was the point? You had a great character and Bruce Horek, the actor, did a fantastic job with him bringing this, bringing Hammer to life. We don't have a ton of experience with the Andorians and Star Trek, you know, it's been somewhat limited. And to see one who has so much personality, it comes off as curmudgeoned, but is really a very personable and caring individual. You know, that was a wonderful ride that we were on. And...

Heller was a character created for the show as is sing and or take us. Yes. Their time is limited. Like, you know that it's gonna come to an end. Stop, stop, stop. Let's, full stop right there. You realize that they can go to another ship, right?

And that there's five years, at least, right, before Captain Kirk and the original series. Like that ticking time clock that you like is way longer than you think it is. So they have time and they could just transfer them to another ship. They don't need to kill them. And they certainly don't need to do any of this

in the first season. You're assuming that a second season is planned. A second season is planned. They've announced it before the first season started airing. Oh, right. Yeah, they bring it back captain. Well, um, yes, they bring it back to sea. Yes, yes, they are.

I have a problem with that. Already? Yes. Is because Sam Kirk is because Sam Kirk sucks. Has nothing to do with Sam Kirk. I haven't really been reading much on them adding Kirk. Are they going to be, is he a r regular, or is it just like a guest appearance? Or... No idea, I don't know.

So I remember this, actually, I'm gonna share the article. So they have him sitting in the captain's chair. It's a new actor. He looks like a Chris Pine William Shadner type. And he's sitting in the captain's chair. I really hope that they're not gonna do like where the character is like a main cast.

I hope it's if anything at the most, just like a guest star appearance or another Sam Kirk where he shows up every few episodes. But I'm afraid, I'm afraid what's gonna happen is that who are I was gonna leave the ship? Because they just wanted to revisit that character and they're gonna bring Kirk and,

and as a part of the regular cast for season two. Just not as, you know, any captain capacity, but more of like him learning the ranks or some sort of like lieutenant or something. So here's the thing though, before you go any further. capacity, but more of like him learning the ranks or some sort of like lieutenant or something. So here's the thing though, before you go any further, in the original series, in the menagerie, they established that Kirk and Pike only had a passing meeting when transfer a command took place.

Kirk did not serve underneath Captain Pike. Oh, no, I don't disagree with that part. And we've had this conversation before, but I really, I kind of have a sneaking suspicion that that's what they're gonna do. I don't like it. I don't disagree. I completely agree with you on that

because it's going back to what we've talked about Drew is like, it feels like they can't write something good without rehashing old characters. And that's a shame because they had they have not even had have half a dozen excellent characters to play with. You know like you know we've gone over this before and so this is kind of like going around, around, I know, I know, I'm sorry, but it's just, no, it's okay. It's a fresh wound because a character that I like is no longer on the show and I felt like it was a senseless death. Yeah, Hammer, I felt could have had a much much more meaningful departure.

Didn't have to be a death. It could have just been leaving. Right. Like they'd doing with saying. Sing is leaving this ship. Wait, what? Yeah, you didn't get that. She's gonna go take that little kid home outside of Federation space. Oh, she's... I thought it would be she was just gonna go search for... outside of Federation space. Oh, she's... I thought it would be, she was just gonna go search for... and she would be coming back. I mean, it's not gonna take one episode.

She's probably not gonna be in the next one. My understanding is she's leaving the ship. I could be mistaken. Oh. But, um... Well, that's... that's just a disappointing. So, it's like, they didn't, well, that's, that's just a disappointing. So, it's like, they'd even touch on that from, from, from, from memory alpha.

In Pike's quarters, Lon reports that she has found a lead on, or, or, or Yana's family, one that she admits is weak and also is outside Federation space. Pike can see she wants to pursue it anyway. Lon admits she knows what it's like to be alone and wants to help if there was anyone out there looking for her Pike warns her that a mission like that took time Lon formerly requests a leave of apps and saying she could decommission Her if you wanted to but she felt that she had to go where the clues took her Yeah, I I totally miss I guess I totally miss, miss, miss, so that cause I thought it was just more of like, she's, she's gonna go do this because that's how they're gonna explain how the kid gets home

and then she's coming back next episode, I guess I was wrong. I took it as, we'll see her next season. I don't think they're writing her off the show, but, but the character at the very least is leaving temporarily. That's a bummer. They didn't even really give her her own... Well, again, I think they kind of like sprinkled her story throughout a few episodes too. You know, kind of like they were doing with Hammer.

I would have liked to have gotten to know her a little bit better. And I think that the connection between her and Khan is a untouched story, you know, if they're going to give her that last name, like they kind of didn't really do much with it, you know. No, they did the like to me, like they could have just given her a different last name and still done everything what they've done. It would still be very meaningful. Right. To leave that, that open in the air like that, I really hope they revisited at some point.

All right. Well, there you go. Jade, how do you feel about her leaving? I would have expected more. I mean, you know, it's not expected for her leaving. You're gonna bring her back eventually. She's probably gonna come back with some new story threads to carry on through maybe next season, third season. But I mean again,

you know, I'm coming as a newcomer. I don't have the same emotional ties to these characters as you guys do. Right. So, I mean, obviously with, you know, Sam Kirk being, you know, douche bagel and then bringing James T next season. You know, I'm just looking up a memory alpha. You're right, they only had a passing glance. He just, James T. Kirk apparently just what? Quickly rose to the ranks and then assumed command of the enterprise. And then he also inherited his chief science officer

and also got your hurrah. That's at least what memory office says. So there's so many loose threads that I really hope that they're not those threads that they're just going to leave hanging because we got a side-bought a few episodes ago and a few other things that, like I feel like we could, like they could just leave them hanging and they're just like,

hey, these are nods. These are nods to things that are in other series and that's what they're gonna, just this is what it's gonna be. There's no closure. And then that's gonna probably just frustrated me even more. I think what I have kind of come into this expecting is that because it's such a short season, they would be dropping nods like cyback, the gorn throughout the season, but they would be resolving any of them until the following season,

or even season three, right? Because this is going to get a season three if it hasn't already. We know it's a huge critical success, and it is a great show. I hope it really does continue. I don't think this is a short season though. I think this is a perfect length. Well, I would have I would have liked to see at least closer to 15 Discovery's team discovery's been getting like 13 to 15 episodes a season So 10 episodes is a little light even for new Star Trek 10 episodes is is for any show in my opinion. It's you always want more, but it's tight storytelling I'm broke like I have to have 10 episodes. If you remember, what Drew and I are used to

is like 26 episodes. But even, I agree. And that's like, yeah, that's a lot because there were a lot of duds in those 26 episode seasons. And frankly, that's gotta be hell on the actors. So like the working conditions I have to imagine are 10 times better, right?

I'm fine with the shorter seasons. I think what I'm trying to get at is you only have so many episodes to tell these stories in, and you know you're gonna have more time because you're getting a season two and a season three. Like they're trying to cram in too much stuff and wrap it up all in one season and if it's not a serialized show, like why? Like why would you do that? Spread

those breadcrumbs around a little bit, you know? Let the budget of a 26 episode season of Discovery, the hair make- up alone for Pike's hair is going to be action. I know right. So I know we're kind of all over the place with this episode, but what do you guys feel about this being like a very horror-esque episode for the series? How did you guys feel about that? Mist up. Man, it was, I don't know, they took risks, right? So we've got an fantasy. What are the other genres that we get this season?

We got full on action. We got War days. It's a very diverse, very diverse season. It hasn't been just, it kind of feels like they just kind of took like all their favorite genres and tried to do an episode hitting each one of those. And I'm sure, you know, to some success too. And I'm sure we're going to really, you know, cover and discuss this in like the recap.

But I mean, looking at the horror aspect of it, did you feel that they, they hit the, the nail in the head or they're kind of like far off from, from actually making a successful like horror thriller horror suspense episode. In my opinion, it's way off base. They introduce two new characters for the sake of cleaning them off. You know, which is a common horror trope, right? Yeah. Very classic, very classic trope for horror movies. I think, I think they did find with it, but it just didn't really click with me,

didn't resonate with me. For starters, it was a pretty blatant rip off of Alien, right? Right from the get go. This has Alien vibes written all over it. It was a pretty blatant ripoff of alien, right? Right from the get go. This has alien vibes written all over it. And I think if maybe they had put a more original spin on it, then maybe I would feel a little bit differently. But I mean, right down to the gorn,

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I thought with them. Yeah. Um, I am, you know what, we haven't gotten to the, uh, the Gora episode yet on TOS, but I cannot wait. The more we see of them in strange new worlds, the more I look forward to seeing how they are in the original series because we are going to be in first shock. I, I, I remember that episode. I actually saw that episode. Have a while back. Yeah, like years ago.

So what about with with this episode? Like how'd you guys feel about the spock reach? Yeah, whatever. I mean at this point who cares? I mean it was it was I I've listened I told you I had to jump of this episode. I did not like, well, jump of this recording. I did not like the episode. Well, let me ask you this. What about this episode?

Did you enjoy? It goes for you to Drew. Oh, I think we're asking Jess Majid. No, for both of you guys, because both of you guys, I can tell very much didn't care for the episode. Oh, I like Embangas emotional baggage. Oh, when he said, you know, was it, you know, don't talk the way to my daughter? Yeah. You know, he obviously, you know, like I think we, I think when Drew was gassed last week, we were talking about how this could maybe not affect and Benga going forward.

That was such a forced line. What, you were in gassing? That did not resonate. No, in Benga's line, that did not resonate with me whatsoever. Oh, it didn't resonate with me either. You just asked me what I liked. And I just like that he doesn't have any emotional package. Sorry that he does have emotional baggage. He just hasn't forgot it. Yeah, that just I don't know that just didn't click with me. I'm sorry Brad. No, no, no, no, I'm just

Brad, what did you like about the episode? Um, everything about it, no, I'm just, what did you like about the episode? Everything about it, honestly. The real? The real? Yeah, I'm a huge horror fan. Like I love that type of genre and it's always resonating with me. It is yes, super cheesy. I could see everything coming a mile away.

As soon as I found out this was like a horror style episode, I immediately knew those two brand new characters we've never seen before were gonna die. I think the one thing that I was surprised with was them killing off a character that was reoccurring. And while I do agree with you Drew, that I feel that Hammer's story was cut short. I am glad that they did something like that because to me in all these like sci-fi shows,

they never kill off a title character. They're always the ones to survive. They're always the ones to save the day. This is one of those instances where they didn't. And it kind of surprised me and caught me off guard. I wish they had done it differently or maybe used a different character, because quite frankly, I would have rather seen some other individuals go. But hey, you know what, they did it.

I enjoyed it the episode as a whole. I think it was fun. The Spock rage was a little silly to me, but it still made sense. The explanation for it was the gorn are taking that anger as a challenge. And so it provoked the gorn into going out for them. I get that because I feel that way, did you? Yeah, do you like having been the only one that's seen the original episode with the Gorn? Do you like this take on them? To be fully honest, I didn't like either of them.

Like the original, the original is super campy. Right. This is Super CGI. I'm hoping that when we get to see a full grown corn, it's gonna be different. And it's not like just a CGI. Remember the species in Voyager Drew? Where is the 8472? Yeah, like the number one from like the fluidic space.

Like that was so bad CGI when you compare it to nowadays. And I'm really hoping that they just don't do something like that with the Gorn. They actually have some sort of similarity to the original, but I have to admit, the original series episode with the Gorn is so cheesy and a piece of its time because you could tell, it's just, yep, that's a guy in a costume.

You can see the zipper on the back of the costume. You know? Because I was zipper, that's their spine, true. Gosh, be more sensitive to the species. My apologies. But yeah, like I didn't really care for either of them. I hope that they do something better, but I also hope they don't do something like,

you know, the Voyager, or you know what? Or they do something like discovery when they did the Clingons. I did not like how they redid the Clingons in that sense. I wasn't. We did the Clingons. Yeah, the Clingons have like a completely different look and discovery than they did in next generation.

But they also have a different look in TOS too. Yeah, so that was gonna be my next point is like they once they had the budget to afford makeup, the Klingons started looking a lot differently from the original series. So I try to take that one with a grain of salt because prosthetics and makeup have, you know, certainly become way more advanced in the past 30 years. But I generally agree with you, Brad. But I think with the episode overall, it really resonated with me much more. That horror, It was very hitting the cues spot on and it's a formula. We all know these types of genres have a very specific formula and it really hit that formula for me.

One thing that I did like and this is something that they've done on multiple episodes is this sense of like the crew having family meals together. I really enjoy them all sitting around having breakfast, having brunch, dinner, whatever. In the captors quarters and like going over their mission over a cup of coffee and like, you know, they take their job seriously but they don't take each other seriously, you know, like they're playful because they've been working together so long. As much as I make fun of the cooking with Pike, you know, we're not talking about the party, we're talking about the after part where Sing comes in and number one's there and Mangas there.

And they're like, yeah, like to me, that really makes it more realistic because we've never really seen that in Star Trek. Not to that, we never. And I think about other shows of watched where there's like a military ship and they do have like the actual, you know, eating in the captain's like table type of aspect of things. Yeah. I mean, the closest that I can think of is enterprise. You had Archer, Tucker, and to Paul, having meals together. Yeah. But this is at a much grander scale. Yeah. It shows much more closeness from the captain

to the crew. I actually thinking about in captains in general, this is, Pike is probably one of the warmest captains that is connecting with his crew. Cause you think about Bacard, you think about Janeway, you think about Kirk. They never really had that same connection with the crew that Pike seems to try to build. I think the only one potentially seems to try to build. I think the only one potentially close to it was Cisco. Where Cisco probably did a much better job in connecting. And I apologize about Archiric because I can't really remember him too much. I never widely watched the entirety of Enterprise, right? Yeah. I never really watched the entirety of that.

was enterprise, right? Yeah, yeah. I never really watched the entirety of that. So I can't really comment on his captain, but the Cisco and I think Pike were probably the two closest in similarities, but Pike is far, far more connected to the crew than I think any of the other captains we've seen. Yeah, there isn't this layer of separation,

you know, because of rank or whatever, you know, pike, you know, yes, he's in charge, yes, he's the leader, but he is like making a strong effort to make his crew feel like they're part of the team in a way that I don't think any other captain really has. Yeah. And I think that's one of the reasons why I like the show so much. So there's a connection that they're building between the captain and the crew. It's because I remember seeing episodes in past Star Trek series and that when the captains

has their episode, when they tell the captain's story, it's typically a separation from the crew. It's usually not him connecting or them connecting along with the crew and making a stronger bond. It's usually not that. Right. Right. Let's see here. What else do you guys want to talk about with this episode before we start talking our scores? Invenga could have saved the hammer by putting him in a transfer to buffer So valid point Yeah, I don't I don't think I disagree with you on that

However Do we even know the Transporter buffers were functional on the ship at that point. Oh, that's fair point as well. I don't think they were on that ship. And I think the way Hammer was acting, he felt like he had like minutes rather than hours. Hammer wanted to die. Well, because it was acting very similar to that other alien that had the thing burst out of them. Right. ["The Star With You, Man." Let's start with you, man.

Let's start on a high note. Um, you know, again, I can't really echo enough of what I've said before. I'm a big fan of horror suspense movies. They are so formulated in most of the cases. And there are a few that are, you know, take a different approach. There was a very strong alien vibe to it, even the predator vibe to it. So it was a kind of a mixture of both. But you have the two expendable characters right off the beginning, and then you had one of the main characters dying. I enjoyed it every step of the way. I can't say that I enjoyed it as much as last week's episode. There are definitely flaws to it,

and I'll definitely be the first to admit that part, but I enjoyed it. It was something that if I always go back to that, if it was on TV, would I stick on it and I would 100% stick on this episode? I'm giving it a very solid 8. To me, it has its moments, but it's not perfect, but it was very entertaining for me. I'm surprised you didn't go higher, quite honestly. I was thinking about a 9, but there There are certain points that kind of disappointed me, and I think the most unfortunate part was them killing off Hemer, that really frustrated me more so than anything else. that we didn't get enough of his character or his story. I really wish that they continued to give us more of him. Yeah. Mejid, what do you think? Four. Nothing of this. I was so held my interest.

Every time Sam Kirk is on screen, I want to punch him in his mustache. every time Sam Kirk is on screen, I want to punch him in his mustache. You did do a good analogy with him being Hicks. Like that. That was spot on. You know, actually, I think that's probably why I, another reason why I enjoyed the episode so much is because you had that, that one guy who's losing his crap the entire time. And it's just a point of bringing on missions. This is the second time to brought him on a field mission.

Oh, he's the joke. Man, he's the comical joke. He's the comic relief. Like, yeah, I mean, his brother must be so embarrassed to be his brother. I would be. And like, I really wish I really wish they would have like, you know, Kirk come and it would be just him without the mustache. and it would be just him without the mustache. That's what they did in the original, right? Yeah. That would have been perfect. That's funny.

Yeah, no, listen, I was on my phone most of the time. The set-up was I didn't hold my interest. Not one red shirt died. Everything was foreshadowed or hinted at. The moment that these two new characters do get in what was her name. Like the pet. Yeah. All right. So Chee and Duke, what they were introduced, leaving the show, getting promoted, getting on the way mission, and I'm like, okay, cool, they're going to die. There was nothing about this episode. Again, the chase sequence with these Velocigorn was done better in the gods of the 1998 movie.

You know, it running through Madison Square Garden, that's what it got me. I did not like this episode. I really did not like this episode. And it sucks because I loved every episode so far, even the ones I thought I would hate. You know, which is why it makes it so much worse. But for some reason, Brad loves it. So, I guess that's a demarred on him.

Oh, thank you. I'll take a demarred and enjoy it happily, sir. What about you, buddy? What about you, Drew? What was your number? You didn't give it a score. I love it. He said four.

Oh, I'm sorry. I wasn't sure if that was just, just, he mumbled, he totally mumbled that four. I was just like, I feel so bad about it. Like, you know, like, Frank. For. Yeah. Like, even the worst episode of Obi-Wan, I gave, like, you know, in my mind, I gave a number to it and it wasn't a for.

You know. Yeah. Obi-Wan was like really low for me. So Brad, Brad, everybody. Brad, I will fight you. To bear it. I will fight you. I will break your glasses. All right next turn yet another Obi-Wan Kenobi

box. Drew how about you man. So I I have some some issues with this episode but I don't think they're quite as serious as Majid's. I'm not a horror fan because it just it just doesn't do anything for me. You know, it's the things that you love about it, Brad, are the things that I find boring, I guess. You know, knowing which characters are going to die, knowing that the scary jumps are coming from around the corner, uh, things like that. And it just when when I'm watching a film like this, it has to be exceptionally good to

hold my attention. And I think they made a valiant effort, but they copied one of the greatest science fiction horror movies of all time a little too closely. And it kind of turned me off. So, so that being said, I, I did find myself kind of wandering my attention a little bit. I, I think the special effects, the visuals, the sound design, everything and it was well done. I think they did a good job of telling a TV horror episode of Star Trek, but it just isn't for me. And I'm really pissed. They killed Hammer. And I'm think I'm more pissed because I'm pretty sure I know what's next and it's not time for that. I hope you're wrong. I hope I'm wrong too. And I think Drew the one thing that I want to comment on before you give your

score is that the scoring system to me is about what you know and Not potentially what you suspect right So fair I just want to make that one comment because I do agree with you I do agree with you, but I feel that separating from the suspicions versus what you know is important for the scoring I clear clearly I have very strong feelings about scoring in this episode. No, no, and I think you're making a valid point. I can't score something that hasn't happened. Right? That's not fair to the show, and that's not fair to anybody, really. I can't give it a score for something that hasn't happened. But I do agree in the sense that what you're saying is if what is going to happen,

that's gonna be very frustrating to me. Yeah, yeah. So I guess that being said, we will address that problem when it happens. Or if it happens. If it happens. If it happens. And I'm gonna give this episode a six.

That was a little bit higher than I expected for for you. Magida actually kind of expected you to give it a two. I mean, there's still time, right? I'm going to change it. But, you know, I'm not quite from the start of this conversation today. I'm not surprised you guys gave those scores. Makes a lot of sense. And just did my boy hemorrh dirty, man? I don't disagree with that. Look at him as a kid, my boy. I think that's the one driving thing as to why I didn't give

it a nine. Because I feel like they lost an opportunity to do more just like they kind of lost the opportunity with M.B.A.G.A.'s daughter's story arc. Yeah, I definitely get it Maybe it's them just tying up loose ends. Maybe it's them preparing for the next whatever So we'll see. And just to be clear, I'm okay with them killing main characters and shows. Right.

When it makes sense and when it serves a purpose. And I'm just afraid that, like, first of all, we didn't have an opportunity to get enough attached to him to make it have that impact. Like, we were just starting to get attached to him and now he's gone. Because he wasn't even a regular character. Now, if they had done this to somebody like Lon, I think that might actually have more weight or chapel or even Dr. Mbenga. If they killed one of them, and we know that we can't kill Chapel. Mbenga, if they killed one of them. And we know that we can't kill chapel or Mbenga

because they're still on the enterprise when Kirk's involved. They kill Mbenga, I rage. But I think to Majeed's point is the point of hammer was to give who are a little path that guidance. Yeah. Yeah, so we found a little path that guidance. Yeah. And hearing you say that,

Majeed definitely made that clear. And I think in a way that makes me even more angry. Yeah, and you know, Majeed unfortunately has some good points in this part, is that I think I'm more angry because I really enjoyed the character. Hmm. Can we just, can we just bask in that for a second? Majid had a good point. Just, just, just, you know, three seconds.

Baskin is glory. So what's next week's episode? Ah, let's see here. The season finale. It is the season finale. The title that I found is a quality of mercy. Unfortunately, there's no description for it yet, and I have not seen a trailer. But it is the season finale of Strange New Worlds. And I guess after that, we gonna do a season wrap up.

Is that the plan? That is the plan. So that'll be fun. And then we'll be back into the 60s, 1960s, watching the original series with the zippers in the costumes and. All the spines, they represent the spine, true. All right, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, sorry, sorry.

Sorry. One more. Sorry. There you go. On that note, folks, Brad, the G'd. Thank you for joining me today. Thank you for everybody for listening. And we'll see you next week. Take care, guys. Have a good holiday. I love you. Wait, yeah, no, no, that's right. Love you. Hey folks, I just want to thank you for listening to yet another Star Trek podcast.

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