Yet Another Star Trek Podcast - Ep 023: (TOS S01E10) The Corbomite Maneuver

Episode Date: August 2, 2022

This week The Gang learns how to play poker as Kirk pulls a plot line out of his behind like it's no one's business.  Additionally we learn that Clint Howard is truly a very attractive child.... Join us as we talk about "The Corbomite Maneuver". Be sure to check out our website, social media, and join our Discord! Links for all are listed below: Website | Discord | Facebook | Instagram | Twitter | TikTok | YouTube Drop us an email at [e-mail]! “Warp Speed” and "To the Stars" was written and performed by William Grobbelaar Music: https://soundcloud.com/williamgrobbelaarmusic Additional artwork by George Rateau: https://www.fiverr.com/georgerateau

Hi everyone, welcome back to another episode of yet another Stunttri podcast. This episode, I am your host, my name is Virginia, and my lovely co-host, with an evening one of them, three children in a trench coat, Drew, how are you buddy? I am an adult doing business. That's good. And my other co-host, the most handsome. I'm not reading this. I'm not, why would you give me the read this, Brad? Just look, it's, it's, come on. You know, you just say the most handsome, stunning

individual you're ever been. I can't believe you asked me to read this, this intro for you. Listen, Brad is the other ghost. I love him like a brother, but I'm not reading this intro that he handed me to read. Did Brad write my intro too? No, he asked me, he says,

Hey, Mijeed, I know you're hosting. I'm really bitten down lately. I need you to read this for me to make me feel good. I need to go to the end. What's it say? I'm not going to say it. Say it. No, he's lying.

I didn't write him any introduction for me. He's making it up all. Say it. Oh, I'm not saying it. I'm not saying. Hey, guys. Hi, it's been a while. In podcast time, the reader, the listener

would have only seen, seen what a week, uh, between us. Yeah, I think it's about only been a week since we last, uh, talked with the right, but in, in real world time, it's been two, two and a half weeks since we've last recorded with each other. Yeah. A lot has happened in the past two, two and a half weeks. A lot has happened. Uh, majitos taken a vacation, Brad bought a house, uh, maybe, well, maybe, it's not officially yet. Well, wait, not official on the vacation or, yes. All right. All right. All right. All right. I haven't done anything. I've been home by myself like, that's not true.

You, you, you, you, you set up your gym. You did business stuff as an adult. You paid a bill. I did. Right? You put gas in your car? Yeah. It's the little things.

I guess I'm not making you feel better. No, no, because gas is expensive, man. And I have to fill my tank like twice a week. Yeah, you see Brad is lucky. He just power walks everywhere. Yeah, pretty much. I remember I used to I used to have to fill it up twice a week when I was commuting to Connecticut. That was not fun for my wallet. I think it was spending about a hundred bucks a week if I felt like... Yeah, I mean, there's been a couple times where I've filled up and granted, like, I have a... I have a Subaru, so it's pretty good on gas. Are you plugging Subaru right now?

Are you trying to get advertising dollars? If they will sponsor this show? Yeah! I... 100%. This episode brought to you by hopefully Subaru. Do more. I don't know if their motto is a do more from room room. Yeah, from room room. Let's go with the room room room.

I like that the best. This episode brought to you. That I think is perfect right there. Brought to you by Subaru. Vroom, vroom, vroom. V I think is perfect. Right there brought to you by Subaru room room room room. Right. Subaru loved by all podcasts. Post that do Star Trek. No, I got it.

Super. Okay. The number one car for Star Trek podcast hosts in Connecticut. car for Star Trek podcast hosts in Connecticut. Uh, no, no, um, that don't have. Uh, Brad, you're a turn. Brad, you're a turn. You, you, you drive, uh, I don't know. You, you were like high-rise socks.

I don't know if you can trust me. I have, I have a Toyota Corolla by choice from 20 tax. Choice. Heck yeah, by choice. Toyota is freaking awesome By choice. From 20 tax. By choice. Yeah, by choice. Toyota is freaking awesome, man. Easy to repair. Whatever.

Those cars last forever, too. How many miles you got? Like a billion. I think at this point, almost 150,000. Oh, I'm going to buy a bride. I'll have put a $150,000 on my car by next week. He's proud of his Toyota so much that's what he walks everywhere. Just keep that in mind, everybody.

No, I've given up. I love my wife, Travis. So therefore, it's as good as doomed at some point. Oh, she's still a little angry. I can't say that. You can't say that. I hope she hits you with something. With a Toyota?

You're right. As it stands right now, she hits me anyway. So it's okay. As it stands right now, she hits me anyways, so it's okay. This has been nothing new. This episode brought to you live at Hicular Mass live. Yeah, right. Jesus. and alone. I watched it. I did watch it. But it's been it's been 24 hours. So who knows what's gonna. So it's gonna stick in my memory. All you have to sleep.

Cheers. Filled by the termination and coffee. Yeah. And yeah, that's for sure. Actually, I'm drinking this lovely D.Caf T right now. There you go. Mind down. But this week guys, we watched the Corbo might maneuver. All right. So in this episode, we joined Spock and Commander the Bridge as the crew of the Enterprise and counter a space of Roops cube in space blocking their path. A space Rubik's cube in space. Yeah. You got to have the double space. I like it. Yeah. I mean, we need to be able to establish through the listener that this is a Rubik's Cube in space.

Therefore, a space Rubik's Cube. Rubik's Cube. Wouldn't it have been hilarious if the Rubik's Cube was unsolved? Oh, that would be perfect. It wasn't way, it was solved. Well, yeah, Rubik's cubes are solid colors on each side But different colors, but if it was a nine by nine square that was all like mixed up Then it would have been a true Rubik's cube. It would have been better. It would have been better

Guess in nerds That checks. Yes, right. Yeah, nothing new there That checks, yes. Right. Yeah, nothing new there. All right. Well, chaos ensues as cooler heads do not prevail after evasive space maneuvering. The crew realizes that the spakes through the cube is blocking their path. See that three times fast.

After you've faced the space maneuvering, the crew realizes that the space room is cube is is in their bath. Space Rubik's cube. What did I say? Say three times fast. Space Rubik's cube. Bear, bear, bear, bear.

You're real alone. Words are hard. We then cut to Kirk and McCoy in the sick bay training lakes. Kirk does not skip leg day, guys. Kirk starts this episode of Shuroff, which Brad appreciated because it showed dedication by William Schatner that he took his diet seriously. It gives us true understanding of his form.

Abs. He gave us abs. He's just willing to get into character fully. That's all. I wonder if he got extra money for taking a shirt off every episode. Hmm. So I'm kind of curious as to your thoughts on the space stare master. I think it's a beneficial thing that Maggi would absolutely love to have in his home gym.

Does it still qualify as a stairmaster if it's upside down? I thought his form was garbage. I thought the form was garbage. The way it was way too light. And there's no way he was just sweating that quickly. And by the way, bones totally fat-shamed them. Bones fat-shamed Kirk. You did? You did? Yeah. Which I'm not sure how I feel about that. Bones is not a great doctor. If if if he's fat-shaming Kirk, boy, I'm sure that he's not my doctor. Well, she

Kirk, boy, I'm sure the lady's not my doctor. Well, she. Right. The other day, let's go. He put on so much weight. Bones failed. Yeah. Well, true. You sound sad.

I'm sorry. I'm working on it. Eventually, the enterprise is able to break free from the space. Who best you, but end up destroying it in a process. Curricut the size the head to where it came from because you know that's great. You know why wouldn't we go towards the location from which danger arose? You got to find out what's trying to kill you man. You know why you know why certain people don't survive horror movies, Brad?

Because they don't investigate the where the scary sound came from. They get out of that damn house. But that's what you're supposed to do. Get out of the damn house? Yeah. No, no, you need to go in the house. You need to find out what's going on. Why it's happening? Nope.

This is like that echo commercial where they're hiding behind the chainsaws. Yeah, right. Yeah, like there's like there's two signs, one to safety and one towards danger. Yeah, it chooses danger every time. Wouldn't it be great if they literally just had signs that said the danger is this way in those movies? It was scary movie. Did that. Oh, did it? Yeah those movies. It was scary movie did that. Oh, did it?

Yeah, if I remember correctly, I did that to you. I must have skipped that one. You shouldn't. It was a really good movie. He explains, sorry, a massive disco ball, a massive space disco ball comes out of nowhere. Wait, let me, let me, let me rephrase this. A massive disco ball shaped spaceship. I'm not saying a Balax. Maybe it's Balax. You know what?

Screw this. They are hailed by handsome Squidward. He explained. That's a pretty accuracy, isn't there? He explains that because they blew up the space Rubis Cube, they must be hostile beings and should be destroyed, given them 10 minutes to live. With almost no time left, Kirk starts to blush, handsome Squidward, explaining that the crew

has this magical thing called Corbomite, and if he attempts to destroy them, it will redirect the energy to his ship and destroy him. Handsome Squidward falls for Kirk's bluff as the inner prize tracker Beamed to a planet so the crew can be let out and the ship eventually destroyed What a ballsy move. What a really ballsy move. I have to appreciate Kirk's poker face I think it was a little bit out there. Was that a pun? Are you doing a pun? I don't really know where I was going with that. I think I just ignore what I said and continue. Don't you dare cut that? Oh no no no he's keeping it. I'm just saying I should just keep going because yeah I don't I don't really

know. I think I think me being in a different room tonight recording is throwing my groove off. tonight recording is throwing my groove off. Yeah, especially I can't see you anymore. I know. So the crew figure out a way to disrupt the ship that has a track of beam on them, eventually resulting in them sending out the stress signal. Kirk McCoy and scaredy pants, Lt. Bailey, beam over to the ship. They found out that handsome Squidward is actually a puppet and a person to control is a seven year old child

who is pretty scary, right? But that's fine because he's Clint Howard. Guys, that's Clint Howard. I learned that 20 minutes, five minutes before we courted this episode. I learned that was Clint Howard. By reading the script I wrote. The same script that asked me to basically beef up bread and make his ego feel better.

Yeah, that's just. Only part of those words are true. So the real handsome Squidward, aka Clean Howard, explains this was all a test that they passed when he came over to help him. Additionally, he was a crew of one and he's a very lonely. Kirk Von Tell's scaredy pants Bailey, the state behind and keep his creepy man-child company. It's got such a creepy man, child. That's not what I'm saying. I can't get over how Clint Howard as a child

still looks like Clint Howard as an adult. Yeah, that much face. He's basically, he's basically baby Huey. Yeah, I love it. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So we never hear from either of them again, ever, ever again. They never mentioned man, child or baggly ever again.

End of the episode, they just kind of walk off into the ship. That's it. So some of this episode, a space rubiss cube can stop the enterprise and don't play poker against Kirk, you will lose. And uh, Clint Howard is just creepy no matter what age. Just Clint Howard, you know. This dude was, uh, let's see, or held was he. Seven, I think. Yeah, so he was seven. He was born in 53.

Oh, 59. I'm sorry. Yeah, so, so yeah, seven. Seven years old. He has, I don't know if you're aware, but Clint Howard has been in Star Trek as recently as discovery. Playing the same character. I hope not. No, different character, but he's had parts throughout throughout the shows over the years. over the years. It was pretty crazy. I think he chooses to go with his strengths. No, go with the characters.

No, I don't think that's the case at all. I think that he's typecast it. Not really, because like at least in Star Trek, he's played a pretty diverse set of roles. You know, he has in as without makeup or with makeup. Both. Oh, okay. Yeah.

Yeah, there was a deep space nine episode that he was in, where he did not have any makeup on. And it was kind of like a time travel kind of episode. And he played a character that was mentally ill. Um, and did a great job with it. And then later on, he did a forangi in an episode of Enterprise. And then in discovery, he was, uh, playing the part of quote, quote, quote, creepy Orion. So that's, uh, let's, let's, let's go back a second to the time travel thing. Let me guess. They go back three days in the past and then never talk about it again. Oh, no, no, this is much more significant.

I cannot get over this. I'm so upset. They do a lot of time travel and Star Trek. Yeah, but at least they talk about it, right? They go back three days and no one else talks about this. They don't really, it doesn't really come up. Yeah, I mean, it's not like you know four seasons down the line. They're like, oh, do you remember that time we time traveled? You know to the late 21st century.

If anything, it's one of those situations where they may have done something and then later on the road They're like, oh yeah, because we did did this that happened Yeah, it'll be like a passing line of dialogue or or visual on a screen, but it's not something that they like really dove into no There's no real like cause and effect type of right and and unfortunately for the most part There aren't a ton of like lasting repercussions in the original series and in next generation. I think the one series that really had the most impact was probably Star Trek Voyager. With the doctor was mobile-amitter. Yeah, I could agree with that. Because it changed the entire course of the series once that time-travel situation occurred.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Totally. Yeah. I love looking at the video. I'm free, Majid and seeing the glazed look of. I have no idea what these guys are talking about. It's also the glazed look of, I can't believe I agreed to do this. I mean, they're equally like the same. So it could be either or. I guess it's up to interpretation then.

I'm thinking about tomorrow's workout, while you guys are doing. I'm going to my happy place. Is it upside down like that? While my doctor fat changed me, it gives me a sound. Then finishing off with a protein shake. A rucked eight.

Rucked eight. Yeah. So one thing I didn't really touch upon during the synopsis, because I'm not the top body in earnest. Here was Bailey. Lootan it Bailey. And you freaked out. He lost it.

He loses it multiple times during this episode. Yeah. Listen, he got kicked off the bridge and he's lucky. And I was expecting it because I didn't... I was waiting for something to happen. Waiting for something significant to happen I thought

Kirk was gonna be like hey get into a red shirt Go into the torpedo tube and wait there for me I mean the whole like crewman going crazy Seems to be a recurring theme Early on in the show. I think they, they really don't know how to take certain story arcs and, and progress them without somebody freaking out. Um, but I, I think that's also because the, the series is so new for the time

and that, you know, people aren't necessarily used to seeing Star Trek. Science Fictions show in this kind of context maybe. I kind of think about some TV shows I've watched where I'm just like, I have no idea why they would be acting that way because that is not normal or making any sense to me. And I kind of feel like that's a reflection on the time period of that science fiction like that really didn't make sense. And so people are like, how are you not freaking out at these concepts? And that's the representation of the audience, as opposed to like just a necessarily crumman freaking out. Yeah, totally. I know the audience understands what you're saying,

but I know what Gee understands what you're saying. Yeah, no, I'm right there. Brad and I, we are on the same wavelength. We are, Brad, we are locked in. But just in case he doesn't, can you just refer to this? That's for me. I explained it to Drew, the audience, like there were three

children, transcoms. If I were talking to three children, I would explain that the actions of scaredy pants, Bailey, I think that he was reflecting upon how people of that era would see that type of situation. I went to a stock market today. I did a business. Oh, I really wish I had videos so you could see me lose a microphone right now. There's been bones.

There's been bones failed his entire crew. He should have given them all drugs to cope. Except he just gives Kirk a drink. God, bones is an alcoholic, guys. I don't care what you say. This is the second time in this season that bones is given Kirk alcohol. I mean, Mijita just goes back to what like I told you from day one, your doctor is also your bartender. If you find that doctor on Craigslist, sure. Clearly, clearly in the future, that's how it is.

Your doctor is your bartender. Is your doctor also a drug dealer? Well, I guess technically. Technically, yeah. Yeah, it happens to be a drug dealer. It happens now. It happens now. So, is there really much far of a stretch of the doctor being your bartender?

I think there's a logical conclusion there. You can easily jump between the two. I mean, whether you're taking opioids or taking a shot at the keyless, hey, you know what, they get you to the same place. You're good. I guess the same thing in Drew's book. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, quarter zone shot of steroids. Yeah. I gotta look like the rock too. Leave him out of this. But yeah, I mean, like, you know, this is so we I kind of keep bringing up the production cycle of these episodes because I'm endlessly fascinated

about it. You know, this episode was not only the script, but the uniforms, there's still a lot of stuff that was obviously in flux. So, you know, 10 episodes in, I think it's easy to see where, or kind of stumbled over my words here. 10 episodes in, they're kind of rehashing these themes, you know, with people kind of being lost in space or not lost in space, but just stuck out there, kind of going crazy, losing their cool, whatever the case is, you know what I mean? And I wonder that if this had aired in the production order, if we would have gotten a little bit less of that, you know. Also, your hair was makeup. I'm not sure if you noticed,

they didn't put much makeup on her this episode. I didn't notice that no, but I didn't notice. It's not weird that I did notice, by the way. It's just something I noticed. No, it's a very attractive individual. She's beautiful. She doesn't need it. Yeah. So I think the one thing to keep in mind is that this series aired well before we even landed on the moon. That's a good point.

We were just at that peak of sending people into space. So it's something to keep in mind in that sense. It's such a new or maybe even a foreign idea to the general population. That like having people in regular spaceships traveling between the stars is just so profoundly out there. I kind of think the only thing that comes my recently that maybe equivalent is like parallel universes. I know the concept's been there for a while, but I think more and more we talk about those things, or even our own universe. It's a simulation in a computer program. It's a newer idea, a newer concept. When you're trying to construct stories, it's going to show up a little bit different. Whereas we have the luxury of what now 60 years almost next year is going to be the 60th

year since it aired. And so we've gone 60 years of sci fi and fiction. And we grew up with it on a regular basis. I think we have a little bit of a perspective that's so accustomed to science fiction. It's kind of like, I don't understand why they're reacting that way, but to them it's such a new concept. It will be, you're a little ahead of it, but it will be like 56 years. and it will be like 56 years, so, Close enough. Yeah, close enough. Was that a lunch lady? Close enough. I I don't know. I just pulled something random.

Was that was that the woman from Monsters Inc. I'm watching Maganski. Yeah, I'll go with that. That seems funnier. I'll go with that. Hey. I love you, boo. I have no idea what's going on. I was taken out of the moment by the close enough. Understood. Understood. Guys, I struggled in this episode.

I've made it no secret that I struggled with this episode. So, what were you having trouble with? The entire thing. Like, it was supposed to be this... I think we talked about my whole love of the ticking clock element. This ticking clock was garbage. This ticking clock was so so garbage. Vasive maneuvers, right? So,

the spot couldn't hack it as a captain. Let's just put it out there. Spot couldn't hack it. So they try these evasive maneuvers, these evasive space maneuvers around the space robot cube. And they couldn't get around fast enough. Yeah, I mean, I don't get that. So top speed of this ship, they couldn't just like punch warp factor eight and just get around this thing. Apparently, they just, they just

these are the listfully try to like turn and oh no, look, the space for up is cube is still there. and oh no, look, the space room is still there. Well, wasn't it kind of like, it just basically wish ever direction, it was the ship was going in, it was blocking its path. Yeah, it did the whole like, when you have like a little brother or little sister that you wanna get away from, like I'm not touching you, it was one of those.

It was weird to me. And, I'm not talking you. It was one of those. It was weird to me. And Clint Howard, by the way, I love Clint Howard. Yeah. But this creepy little child was manning this ship by himself. Yeah, well, you know. Sure. All right, so he was manning this ship by himself.

He didn't show any signs of in enhanced Intelligence he wasn't he wasn't Professor Charlie X He didn't have like the man the mind powers He just was on the ship by himself this highly advanced ship with a with a meat puppet Well, he had he had the Trignia too or whatever that beverage was What was it called? Oh God, I had he had the trignia too or whatever that beverage was. What was it called? God, I don't remember. The trania show.

It was called the Shirley Temple. The tranias can't have alcohol. Well, I mean, it might be an alcohol-free drink. You don't know. Maybe, maybe he's really like a billion years old. We don't know. They never got to that point. Right.

And that would have been interesting if they did. Like, if they restructured the episode to the first act being this ticking clock and then the second act of the episode, this, you know, curve outsmarting handsome swedip word and Clint Howard. I think I understand where you're trying to go with this, Majid, because like,

it's so, it has like this pressure or moment in the beginning, but then it becomes very anti-climatic. Right, it was garbage. It was a letdown. It was a letdown. It was like going to open up your Christmas presents and then realizing you got socks that don't even match. So a giant wrapped box that looks like a brand new PS5

and you open it up and it's socks. It's socks and then the socks don't match or fit. I do think that the ending did kind of cut the wind out of the sales of the rest of the episode, but I liked the episode enough where I feel like it kind of hit on the important parts. We have this unknown hostile creature. That's preventing the ship from escaping, moving, going forward. You have this cat and mouse game. It taps into the naval warfare

style of Star Trek. And then ultimately, it comes down to a game of poker, where, you know, Kirk outbluffs this alien, right? These are all things that we get to see time and time again throughout the show, and I think this was a good case of it. The ending did fall a little flat, but I don't think it was enough to damage the rest of the episode. So let's say for example that this child, I'm going to kind of go and clean Howard. Sure.

Let's say that C is a good friend, right? Yeah, we go way back. So let's say that C was a highly intelligent being. Why would he fall for this fake mineral? If he's this highly intelligent being, that just wants to quote unquote test the enterprise. This intelligent being that is able to run an entire ship and have handsome Squidward as a man puppet. I don't really think it was him falling for it. I think he knew it wasn't real all along.

And that the, um, the whole thing is just to see how the crew reacts to some of their intention. So if it was up to Bailey, they would have all failed. Pretty, yeah, pretty much. would have all failed. Pretty, yeah, pretty much. The same guy that they're going to make stay with, with, with, with CH. Yeah, yeah, I think that was the whole perspective towards it. You are correct in the sense that like, how, how could they just easily fall for that? And I think, I actually have a different opinion in the new magic. I actually really enjoyed the episode. However, it definitely has its flaws. And to me, one of the biggest ones was that what was the indicator for Kirk that he knew the bluff would actually work? Like there was there, there, there was seemingly no clue as to why,

like you should even think that something like that would even work. Right. It was plot over. It was plot convenience. Yeah. Like the, um, uh, active God. Right. Because it, because there's no, there's no substance to actually persuade him to say, oh yeah, if I say that if I try to bluff I mean, I guess you could argue it's like an active desperation, but Like to me an active desperation would probably be to try to defend themselves So I know the side of that if this episode were made today and you want to set up that Corbamaite

gambit you're not going to use this made up mineral that you pull out of your butt. There is going to be some kind of clue or hints or wink to the audience where he would have gotten this hint from. So set up somewhere in Act 1 that he sees a memo or something that uses the word corbimide or someone just makes it the word and it's like, okay, cool, that's weird. And you move on. And then all of a sudden Kirk has this epiphany, this realization that, oh, I've never heard of this.

They probably never heard of this either. So I'm going to go ahead and use this word and hopefully it works. Like I kind of feel like it would be expanded upon even further than that. Maybe like they find a star system where like a certain item is like reactive within it. So they try to get rid of that mineral, so to speak. And so like to me that would probably be like a good

a good segue, but it's just just you guy I get where you're It's funny Majid like I actually again, I really enjoyed the episode But like everything you're saying makes a hundred percent sense to me right and if that's the case Let's say this was a trial This is a court of law. I want to be able to ruin the episode for you. I want to be able to to crush my hopes and dreams. No, you're gonna, there's time for that. There's time for me to crush your hopes and dreams as we go on with this thing called life. Well, that's true. Let me, I just lost where I was gonna go. Let I crush your hopes and dreams too?

Yes. All right. Let me ask you this, right? Has there ever been a time where your daughter has asked you a question or anybody that you know, and you'd literally just pulled something out of your rear end and just made something completely up that doesn't exist. That's the thing about lies. It's not always like 90% of the time,

it's something that you have been exposed to in one way, shape, or form. It's something you see, something you hear, something you smell. That's the same concept for dreams. When you dream of someone that you've never seen, and you think you've never seen, and you think you've never seen. Chances are, you've seen this person because your subconscious does not make things up like

that. Or at least parts of the person to help configure the actual face kind of thing. Maybe, but you've seen this person before and your subconscious remembers it, you just don't. So that's the same thing when it comes to lying You're not pulling it out of thin air. You're you're pulling it from some Corner of your subconscious of your mind. Some sort of reference point. Mm-hmm. So I have pulled stuff out of my butt for Lying purposes to my daughter. I don't often lie to my daughter as a lie. I lie. I lie to her all the time.

There's for her protection. Yeah. Hey, where do babies come from? Ask your mother. She said to ask you, oh, hey, you want ice cream? You know, when those tactics don't work, I'll just say, it's deflection deflection, man. Well, no, no, when those tactics don't work, I'll just say, it's deflection. Deflection, man. Well, no, no, when those tactics don't work, I'll just say Amazon. I mean, you know, she is growing up in a world where they do bring you everything. Yeah. Um, and, you know, that's just me putting a pin in it. But, um, no, when I light on my daughter, not only is it for her own good, let's established that it's some it's something that I can pull from that I can I can speak with the utmost confidence And I can sell the lie Kirk was able to sell this lie based on nothing at least nothing that the audience is able to connect with And that part of it's garbage to me

connect with. And that part of it's garbage to me. Another part of garbage is, oh, I was going to say that like, I feel like there are other things that you've let this show get away with with a 1966 mentality. And this one is like where you're taking your stand is. Yeah. Yeah. This is, I, I don't, I'm not saying I'm going to die in this hill I'm not saying I'm gonna die in this hill but I'm probably gonna die in this hill there's a couple concepts of this taking clock I love taking clock episodes I'm a sucker for them I'm a sucker I'm gonna say this I need to understand is that it took a lot of time to get to the point where I was going to be able to get to the point where I was going to be able to get to the point where I was going to be able to get to the point where I was going to be able to get to the point where I was going to be able to get to the point where I was going to be able to get to the point where I was going to be able to get to the point where I was going to be able to get to the point where I was going to be able to get to the point where I was going to be able to get to the point where I was going to be able to get to the point where I was going to be able to get to the point where I was going to be able to get to the point where I was going to be able to get to the point where I was going to be able to get to the point where I was going to be able to get to the point where I was going to be able to get to the point where I was going to be able to get to the point where I was going to be able to get to the point where I was going to be able to get to the point where I was going to be able to get to the point where I was going to be able to get to the point where I was going to be able to get to the point where I was going to be able to get to the point where I was going to be able to get to the point where I was going to be able to get to the point where I was going to be able to get to the point where I was going to be able to the point where I was going to be able to get to the point where I was going to be able to get to the point where I was going to be able to get to the point where I was going to be able to get to the point where I was going to be able to the point where I was going to be able to get to the point where I was going to be able episode for you. And I think the thing that I need to understand is that it's okay for you to be wrong. And I think it's okay.

I think it's healthy for us to have these discussion and debates because it makes for good podcasting. I, well, yeah. I do agree though, Reggie, like it's everything you described to me makes 100% perfect sense. However, I think the weighted value of what you're saying is to how much that detracted from the episode, to me seems a little bit skewed to the high end. I wouldn't say that that one, you know, reasoning or action all as to what they went through, detracted so much for the overall experience of the episode that it, that it detracts two point words

like garbage. And I do, I do feel that you are a much bigger fan of those, uh, ticking clock episodes, which is why those situations probably resonate with you much more than it does for me. To me, those are just complete BS, cause it's all fake. There's manufactured drama, but that's just how I am in those situations. So I understand we were coming.

It makes a lot of sense. It makes sense. So I was hoping you said that. And the, the Kirk Bluff is not the only problem I have. Bailey losing it. And coming back to the ship. In what, 20 minutes? Garbage.

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Right. Yeah, I'm serious. That's why I made the comments about Bailey being lucky that he didn't get, you know, strapped into a photon cannon and fired at the other ship. I mean, they would probably just confine in the quarters, but I get what you're saying. Eh, they would put a picture on it and kill him. You sound really disappointed that capital punishment doesn't include murder. It was not, it's not murder if he dies in the line of duty.

Strapping up to a torpedo is, he's staying on technically, it is in the line of duty. If he's in a red shirt, we need to make sure you can guide this missile. Right. Get on top of it. Right. If he's in a red shirt and he's doing his job and he just happens to die while doing You can guide this missile. Get on top of it. Right. If he's in a red shirt and he's doing his job, and he just happens to die while doing his job,

Kirk can't be responsible for that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sorry, Drew. This is what you have to put up with. Yeah. This is what you have to put up with. So how else can I ruin this episode for you? What other parts did you like? Let me go ahead and take this episode down to peg for you guys.

I mean, I think I kind of already gave you the run down. I mean, I think I kind of already gave you the rundown. Okay. So, you in your mind have, you and Brad have a number in your head as to what you're going to assign this episode. After my ranting, raving, and yelling up the clouds, have I taken this down? Have I taken that number down? I think so. Yes. I think so. That's it. That's it.

That's it. That's a cheat. Are we are we talking numbers now? Are we are we at that point? No, no, I just I just want to let the audience know that I I in my mind I have a victory. Okay. I have a W. What about you, Brett? Yeah.

You definitely I think. I have a W. Well, about you, Brad. Yeah. Link, you definitely, I think you've made valid points that made me think a little more in that sense. I'm pretty sure it's going to be higher than what you would probably expect, but it's definitely gone down a notch. We're probably expect, but it's definitely gone down a notch. Based upon our conversation. I think we're, jeez is still bitter that I gave the last two episodes of four and he gave them sixes and sevens. What was the last thing that we just fought me and dagger of the mind. Dagger of the I like dagger the mind.

I did like dagger of the mind. Which one had the r the rock was oh that was Yeah, the rock alone should have gotten it's and you should kind of don't you give that one a three I'm sorry See this what happens with with the TOS is that you gained so many fond memories of certain parts of the episodes. You only focus on that part of the episode. I have to, going to, I guess, one of my potential rationals with that comment is that this episode has such the iconic background for me because I've always seen clips of Clint Howard being in this

episode and that I think that was one of the reasons why I probably haven't maybe on a higher scale as I have had so many memories of people talking about it or documentary covers it and like that's kind of what resonates with me so much and I that may have inadvertently skewed my mind set because I, you know, I knew it was coming, and so maybe it gave it much more of a positive twist to me. So the nostalgia factor is really kicking in. It's interesting because I'm familiar with Clint Howard's work, particularly in Star Trek, but I never associated this episode with him for one reason or another.

So I kinda, I think I managed to dodge the nostalgia until after I watched the episode and then I realized, oh shit, that was Clint Howard. You know, the same thing. Because like I saw the character, you know, he was only on the screen for a few minutes. And I'm like, is that, now that can't be, is that him? And then of course I looked it up and sure enough, you know, it was. I think I remember seeing years ago, well before, before I think, you know, any of this stuff like DS9 or Voyager, I think it was like the next generation, there was a documentary that covered him,

or it was like child actors and it covered him, I think we'll weed in at one point, but to me that gave me such more nostalgia feeling, I guess, since I knew it was coming. Right. Man, listen, every time I see Clint Howard CH in a movie again I go back to that Leonardo Caprio meme where he's looking at the TV and pointing I'm like oh CH I love that guy so I have to admit I'm not super familiar

with his career outside of Star Trek like what has he been in. Austin powers. I don't like Austin powers. Oh, really? Yeah. You have, you have no taste, sir. He was in all three Austin powers, by the way. What is he? He was in warboy. Was another one. He was in the water boy.

I mean, he's been in multiple, um, Adam Sandler movies, I think. See, I also hate Adam Sandler. So why? Why? How would we friends? Because Adam Sandler movies I think. See, I also hate Adam Sandler. So why? Why, how would we friends? Because Adam Sandler's not funny. I drew. I drew.

I drew. Yeah, I know this. I will. This is a hill. I will. This is a hill that I will spend. I will, I will stop a mud hole in your ass. You could try.

Oh, Mr. Kettlebell. He was also in the Apollo 13. Yeah, like Apollo 13 was going to be. I enjoyed that. Yeah, anything that Ron Howard has directed, he was always going to raise his big brother or his baby brother. Are they related? Yeah, their brothers.

No, the brothers. The brothers. I did not realize that. Seriously? The last name didn't give're brothers. Oh, shit. They're brothers. I did not realize that. Seriously? The last name didn't give it away. How many people in this world are in the last name Howard? It's a very common name.

That's fair. That's fair. I get that. How many movies stars? It happens more than you realize. Baldwin, think about it, right? So we have the whole, we have the whole Baldwin family. But there is one Baldwin.

The Baldwin that was in Firefly Yeah, I know you were talking about he's not related to that. He's not really to the Baldwin's, but he's a Baldwin. He looks like him That's that's fair fair enough fair enough But he but anyways Clint Howard has been in tons of movies tons of TV shows. Oh, no kidding. He was in the rocket here Okay, I haven't seen that I love the rocket here. Oh, man That drew it's it's not like one of those movies. It's like you have to go see but it was I enjoyed it I've seen it. I just haven't seen it since I was like six. Oh, well, yeah, so so again

Ron how so Clint Howard is so beloved Well, yeah, so again, Ron. So Clint Howard is so beloved. Right. Just like people love Clint Howard. And back in the 90s, I'm not sure if you remember the story or heard the story, but back when MTV was doing the movie awards, they would do the lifetime achievement award. Now back then, it was considered a joke. Right.

A joke award. So they would give the award to like Jason Voorhees, they would just give it to just jokes. And one year in 1998, they gave it to Clint Howard. Clint Howard was not in on the joke. So he goes up, accepts the award, and has a heartfelt emotional speech. Oh, wow.

So that forced MTV to no longer consider this award a joke, because no one ever thought that Clint Howard would come up in and give out this emotional speech. I had no idea like that actually happened. Yeah, it's something that will always stick with me because you know, he's gonna Clint Howard just loves movies. He loves making movies. Yeah, and you know, some people may say, oh, well, he's not as famous as Ron Howard, but if you see Clint Howard, you'll know Clint Howard. There's nothing wrong with not being as famous as somebody else and still having a very successful career.

Well, I think to me, one of the some of my most favorite actors are like the sea-less actors or the or be list. Those those those really well well done character actors. Yeah, I would agree with that. What's the guy's name Paul Giovanni? I think it is. Giovanni. Don't expect that man. Dude, no, no, no, he gave him Stanley Tucci. Like, I don't, I don't consider them a list. Maybe I would say be list actors, but they're phenomenal actors. Gary Oldman is another example. Yeah. They're not the ones that you put on the top billing for movies to sell the movie They're the well, I mean, I think maybe nowadays you could probably do that with Stanley Tucci and you can do that with all GM I do too. Yeah, well, no, no, it is. I mean, yeah, generally speaking though to what I think you're trying to get to bread

Like these are the guys that you put across from the stars Yeah, yeah, Rockwell's another one by the way. Yeah. Sam Rockwell is another one, by the way. Yeah. Oh, God. Sam Rockwell is fantastic. Sam Rockwell. Steve Bouchemy. Bouchemy.

Yeah. Who is a ex firefighter, which I did know that. Which is so mad props to that guy. Yeah. I would never forget. I would never forget Steve Hashemi as as the private investigator on 30 rock. Hello there fellow kids. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But no, with Clint Howard though, he's he's definitely one of those really good character actors. You know, Drew, you know, it kind of comes to mind

is that actor who plays like a bunch of random characters like NDS on, he played the, Oh, Jeffrey Cums. Yeah, Jeffrey Cums. You didn't have to finish. I know, I know, I know. He was in like, reanimator in a bunch of stuff. Like, I love that guy.

That guy is a phenomenal actor. And it's people like that that I feel really help support shows like Star Trek to help push into the next boundary. I've never heard of Jeffrey Combs before in my life. You will become well acquainted with him eventually. Yeah. I really hope he shows up in discovery or you know, strange new worlds or something. Oh, that was. And lastly, I don't want to keep going on this

rabbit hole of unknown actors that you should know, but Doug Jones and Andy circus. That's the Andy circus. When he first started out, he was motion capture guy. Just the motion capture guy. Smegel, what, King Kong, and who else did he do? He did a few of them. He ended up turning into claw, I remember that now. Yeah, he was clawed and his first appearance in a movie without makeup was 13 going off 30. And I'm like, any circus, I name sounds so familiar and of course it's it's smeekle you know so big props to any circus for coming out of the well what was the guy who did um

Darth Maul was a Ray Ray Park Park that's what it was yeah like like yeah because like there's so many famous actors that that start off in roles where they don't even like plan to be like an actor and they just kind of happen to get pushed into it. There's a lot of actors like that. I'm hoping that we can always that we can fall into a category like that. So so Magida. Magida is now for hire as an actor. So folks want to hire him, please feel free to shoot us an email and he will show up at your kids birthday party. There's little I am not willing to do. Like nothing is off the table. So he will dress up as Spider-Man and Captain America. In the, in the infamous words of Pometo, I will not hit kids, unless that kids a jerk. I'm not hit kids.

But just to kind of like, you know, kind of close the gap on the conversation here, I'm not like a big movie guy. So when you guys start like talking about like all these movies that I should have seen or didn't like a lot of the times I haven't. This is just keep that in mind. So you know, I'm still kind of stuck on the fact that you don't like Adam Sandler. I really don't.

But Adam Sandler is not just a comedian though. I, I, that's what I've been exposed to and I don't like I don't like a lot of the comedians from that era. I don't like Jim Carey Oh God. Oh wow You don't like Dr. Reputon. No, I Really Chris Reilly? Chris Reilly is all right. All right. All right. You know what? I think it's gonna be easier to just tell us What comedy actors he likes. I was watching a lot of British comedy when I was younger. Like I wasn't watching those movies.

Well, so the IT crowd I'm assuming, like those guys, that was that was later, but like flying circus. Yeah, money Python stuff like that. Okay. Yeah. I wasn't like, I wasn't going to the movies and watching Adam Sandler and Jim Carey. I was watching Star Trek at home. That was my childhood. Well, I, I think Drew, it's, you took a definite different path than everybody.

Yeah. But still lowly, but, but yeah, I just like, I don't find that style comedy funny. I just, well, the the the slapstick stuff. Yeah. I can understand it. It's definitely not necessarily for everybody. I love slapstick. A good pie to the face.

Maybe that can be taken on a context. A big old cream pie to the face. I have one question for you Drew. Yeah, and this is my last one for the last. Do you like Eddie Murphy? Yes, I do. Okay. Yeah.

Yeah. See, common ground, common ground right there, right there. But I'm excited for it though. But I mean, like his stuff was before that wave of comedians, you know. That's true. Yeah. So like I like I liked a lot of the comedians that my parents liked and I liked a lot of the comedians

that came after that SNL group that got really popular. So like you think that is okay? Nah, these are right. You guys gotta be hooked on the Avent Katsukello Skit who's on first. I showed that to my wife and daughter, and we were laughing hysterically. Oh, that's one of my three or four times.

That's one of those skits that I keep watching on loop. I'll come back to it like every, I don't know, was a year at the minimum, because it's just so good the way they they perform it and we are getting way off track Yeah, yeah I wanted to ask you guys At what point do we take away bones as medical license? When he first distributes cocaine, that's when we're...

Yeah, I think that's a good spot to draw the line. Well played there sir. Bad of a bop bop bop bop. True. We're giving you more credit for that than you deserve, but I'll take it. Very good. Very good, sir. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Listen, there were three egregious things that that bones did this episode.

A, fat-shaming Kirk. There's no way that Kirk deserves to be fat-shamed. that bones did this episode. A, fat shaving Kirk. There's no way that Kirk deserves to be fat-shamed. Did I say A or I say one? Said A. All right, great. B. No, just go with two, it's better that way.

Shut up. B, he tries to clear a patience He tries to clear someone that just had a mental breakdown Right without even going to check on this person He didn't go check on him. He just he stayed in the bridge He didn't check out him. There was nothing he did check on this person Yeah, that's that's that's that's that's B and and see that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's You know Percocet or something maybe it's just in the hall. We've also seen bones like test stuff on himself when they were practically

Good red shirts in the other room. I come on Use the red shirts first. I thought that this was so you you're advocating that he does experiments on other humans before himself And yet you want to pull his medical license Yeah, that's what's about right. Oh man, I wanna ask you guys both this question now, before we give our numbers. If you had to pick a different captain to be in that scenario to do a equal or better job, who would it be?

I mean, I think Picard probably would have handled that much quicker or much more eloquently. But I think the solution was very Picard-esque. What about you, Granny Bet? I feel like... I think I agree with you on that true. I think it would be Picard. Siska would have just shot it. Yeah, I totally get that reference. Yeah, you do.

But no, I think I think it really would have been just, like Picard would have handled it probably a little bit with more tact, but that's about it. Yeah, he would have been, he would have had more finesse unless I think making up lies. But I think he would have, this is the kind of stuff that next generation kind of, it's like the heartbeat of that show, these types of stories. Okay.

I would say pike, but not the Kelvin Universe pike, not proto pike, but Zadi pike, Hanson mount. Zadi. Zadi. Can you please define Zadi for us? The salt and pepper pike, the Hanson is hell in that mustard colored jumpsuit. We're just we're just the Z came from like what does the Z represent.

Zaddy. Yes, Zaddy. Like like daddy. Yeah, except you know, it's the pronunciation. So it sounds better. I've never. Did you make this up? Is this a thing? Oh, Zaddy's a thing from who? Brad Brad told me. Oh, that makes sense It's it. It's a Georgia thing. I was told Hey, I have no recollection of telling you anything. Let's go go Zaddy Or I don't want this in my search history. So please find Zaddy a section I don't want this in my search history, so please. No, it's fine.

Zaddy, a sexual... What are you trying to read this? I'm gonna try and read this. With a shape face, you cannot make me laugh. And... Zaddy, noun, a sexually attractive man,

especially an older one, who was fashionable and or charismatic, used in a sentence, so many people go for Jeffrey. He's a Zadi, or that ancient mountain, what a Zadi. Zadi. I have never heard, I'm, what a terrible word. Oh my God, this is everything I hate about America.

Oh man, you know what's funny, that's in a dictionary. That's in the actual, actual dictionary, guys. Which one? That's the urban dictionary. No, that's not urban dictionary. That's just a dictionary. That's in the actual dictionary, guys. Which one? That's the urban dictionary. No, that's not urban dictionary. That's just regular dictionary. Which one? I need a name.

Go on. OK, it was an urban dictionary. OK. OK. OK. There are so many entries for it. Okay. Okay. There are so many entries. There's so many entries for it. Um, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The urban, the urban dictionary definition is so much difference. A fine handsome and sexy ass individual man, intelligent man, that makes you smile and drip every

time you see him. Why am I still reading this? I think we move on to the ratings. He knows to hang on. He knows how to handle business in and out of the I'm done. I still stand by my statement. You low key want to have his baby? You still want to use that word? Yeah, no, he's thatty, man. You know what it is? It's the salt and pepper hair. I think I'm a sucker with a salt and pepper hair. Like, I want that salt and pepper hair. Well, I'm gonna start letting it go gray now.

Yeah, man. Like, I'm starting to get it on the temples here. Yeah. But when I get a haircut, you can't really see it. Yeah. When it starts to come in, yeah, when it starts to come in, I'm gonna flaunt it. I. Let me know. When it starts to come in, yeah, when it starts to come in, I'm gonna, I'm gonna flaunt it.

I've got some of it in my beard. I just don't have any hair, so you don't see it in my hair. Can you ask your wife to call you Zaddy? No. That's, that's a big negative. What if someone asks her to call you Zaddy? Would you be okay with that? Negative.

What if I asks her to call you Zaddy? Would you be okay with that? Negative. What if I ask? Negative. It's not. Let me finish. Oh no. What if I ask her to call you Zaddy? No. What?

All right. What if I got you a belt buckle that says Zaddy? You want to get hit with it? I'll wrap that belt buckle around my fist. And your forehead's going to say, Zaddy, but it's going to be backwards. So you're going to be like, it's going to be like, yeah, it's so many definitions of the word, Zaddy. It's, it's killing me. I got to get the stuff on my page.

Why my search history, my algorithm is completely screwed up. I'm going to get ads now, guys. All right. So I think we've come to a point where we need to rate the episode, put an actual number on the episode. And I hope that I've ruined this experience enough for you both. And everyone listening that you will lower your rating substantially. So I'm going to start with Brad. Man, Mijit, I can tell I can tell that you really want me to lower my rating as low as possible. Just like you lowered your voice for that sentence. Yes. and I've covered the overall entertainment value though, I did still find it fairly high.

I actually still enjoyed the overall experience. If I randomly tuned into it, I would more than likely keep watching when change it. But with due to the valid points that were brought up, I'm giving it a solid six. All right. I'll allow that. I'm okay with that. I'm okay with that. I thought you were going to go eight and I was going to wait until you came back up here so I could open hands. up here so I could open hands now. You. But I'm okay.

I'm okay with with your six. What about you, Drew? Well, upon learning that Clinton Howard is Ron Howard's brother, that adds an extra point to the already. No, it doesn't. That's not how we review things. Yeah, no, I mean, like, you know, as as Brad has has said, you know, the, the metric that I use is what I leave this on. And if I, if I were to leave this on, um, how long would I leave it on for?

And this is an episode that I would probably watch start to finish. Um, I don't think it's one of Star Trek's best, but I certainly think it is a good representation of what the show is about. Despite the flaws of the ending, which I do concede, you made some valid points. It was a little bit sloppy and lazy, you know, how they got to the ending and the stuff with the guy that should have been a red shirt. You know, that was pretty lazy too. You know, they kept him on the bridge far longer than he ever should have been. That guy should have been confined to quarters and dealt with accordingly that way. But I think that the heart of this episode is a perfect example of what the heart of Star Trek is. And if they were to do the same episode in a modern show,

and they've done variations on this over the years, I think with a better writer and maybe even a B story to complement it, I think this could potentially be one of the better episodes. So I feel comfortable putting this as a six as well. Oh, thank God. Man, listen, that preamble, you scared me. I like to leave some room on the top. That's what I tell my barber.

Anyway, I'm going with a, I'm going with a go with a four. Explain yourself. I think I have this entire but this is what we do. We have to rehash the explanation. All right. So the lazy writing, the lazy plot armor, the mishandling of a ticking clock,, the inexperience, well, not inexperience, the unprofessional nature in which bones diagnosed Bailey and without saying anything else is clear-sum, without even seeing this person talking with this person, talking with this person, clears him back for active duty. With this fumbling of a third act of the episode, right? Clint Howard, C.H. is great. We go way back, right? Austin Powers days. But it's not enough to save the episode. There are so many faults that I just can't get around. And for some, I don't know what it is. I don't know if it's

because I'm on bright eyed bushy tailed back get around. And for some, I don't know what it is. I don't know if it's because I'm bright eyed, Bushy tailed back from vacation, and we were able to catch these things. But the episode was just a, it's a cavalculative of nonsense to me. It's nonsense. I love that Kirk is a qualified captain. I think we've talked about his decision making in the past. But this pulling a random word out of his butt. I don't see it. There's no way. Like there should have been some kind of establishing shot or some kind of establishing scene where he got that conversation whether it be in the

break room there should have been something there. And by the way one thing I didn't talk about when when Bailey was losing it, Kurt kind of just sat there for a while just watched it happen. Did you happen to notice that? Yeah. He just happens to sit there and watch it like let's see what's plays out. Let's see what happens. I think maybe he was just waiting for the dude to exhaust himself. Like a toddler. Like a toddler. Like, I'm just going to let him cry it out.

Yeah. Um, I did love handsome Squidward. I think that made me chuckle because I had to pause the episode. I mean, you know what? Who is that? What is that? And at first I thought it was a beaker from The Muppets, which is also an okay comparison, but once you understand handsome Squidward and what handsome Squidward looks like, that meet puppet Hansen Squidward and what Hansen Squidward looks like,

that meat puppet was Hansen Squidward. I was getting some serious mystery science theater vibes from the puppet. When they had the shots of them on the view screen with the wavy lines, I didn't realize at first that it was like actually a puppet. So like the way it was kind of moving was kind of herky jerky. It was just kind of a little bit weird. And I had assumed that, you know, for the remaster they went in and they computerized it and they just did a bad job. In hindsight, I realized that it was a puppet the entire time.

A bad puppet. I mean, I keep calling it a meat puppet, but I think that word means something else. It's not okay with repeating. It probably does. Yeah. I'm not going to Google that. Can somebody Google with meat puppet? It's a band. No, I'm going to pass. It is a grunge band from the 90s. So that's about all you're going to get from me. Did you get that from her petitionary? No. Now, you didn't go deep enough. I didn't Google it. That's fair. You just happened to have that random bit of knowledge. I get it. I worked at a record store in my fan of music. So yes, right. As you've told us before, Empire Records is based off your life.

Pretty much. I love you. Yes. I love you so much. Guys, anything else you want to touch on before we wrap it up with night? Well, I mean, what do we do next week? I hate when you put me in a spot. I hate when you put me on a spot. Don't worry. He does that to me every single week too. What do we have next week? Let's see. What do we have next week? Oh my God.

It's the Managerie. Manage. Manage. I'm so glad I'm hosting. Managerie. I sound broken. We are doing the monadjury. We are doing the menagerie part one. Why am I only much trying to say this word? Because Brad and I are able

to say it. Say what? Menagerie. Dash. Brad hit me. Menagerie. Menagerie. I'm gonna smash. Damn, I took the piss off. Brad, hit me. Minashery. Minashery. Why did you look that up in her dictionary? I did and I got, I had to delete cookies.

Oh, boy. All right, well, so what's this episode? Thanks for watching. I always put me on a spot. Always put me on a spot. Just read the description. I went into screen caps because I was looking for every week. Don't do this to me.

I haven't gotten to marry yet, man. I know. And you totally deserve it. All right, so I feel like your vacations made you soft. No, I hit the gym every single morning just like my my routine is it's fine. So on the menagerie on the menagerie part one, the crew of the Enterprise meet the Enterprise's former commander, Protopike. At Starbase 11, only to find that he's been severely crippled by radiation burns. Spock inexplicably kidnaps Pike, Protopike, and takes control of the Enterprise, locking

it to course, locking it to a course for the quarantine plan of Talos IV. Talos IV, as you remember, is from the episode we don't talk about? What's the name of that one? The cage. Ah. Ah, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know. Yeah.

Yeah. Anyway, well, as Drew said in the past, I think this episode has a lot of clips from that episode. It's about like 50 to 70% clips from the cage. Yeah. Which, you know, I guess back then, you know, that episode had an aired. Correct. So, you know, to everyone else's light,

oh my God, revolutionary. Well, we'll probably chime in on this a little bit more next week, but the gist of it is the colorized certain clips of the cage to fit into this episode. And if you were to watch the first release of the cage that was issued in 1988, some of it's in black and white and some of it's in color because of that. Now, we should also mention as well for the listeners out there.

Parts of the cage were also shown in Discovery season two. Yes. Well, I mean, it was, it showed like a flash. Yeah, there was like a flashback in the beginning. Right. So it ties into Zadi Pikes back story. Correct. So it's something to keep in mind if ever you want to do a rewatch of only season two of discovery.

Right. Why would you do one, two or four? Yeah, I mean, this one, three or four, this would technically happen after all that in discovery. And I believe it happens after strange new worlds, but I'm not 100% sure on that yet. We'll find out. I think by the time this episode airs, five episodes of strange new world to what have aired. Well, I mean, I don't have a concrete listing, but it's possible by the time this drops

the entire show of Strange Your Worlds will have aired the first season. They've only given us dates for the first five episodes, but I'm under the impression that they're just doing all 10 in a row. Could be run. I hope so. Yeah.

I'm not a fan of downtime. I know that we're we again at this point would have talked about all of them. But um, you know, man, I'm I've been looking forward to this show, uh, training the world since they announced it. Yeah. Great cast. It's it's going to be a lot announced it. Yeah. Great cast. It's going to be a lot of fun. Now, there's also a possibility that by the time this

episode, this episode, this podcast episode airs, the other ones would have also air, showing my complete and utter disappointments for strange new worlds. So that's also a pretty strong possibility I mean, it's what you keep in mind. This is unfortunately one of the downsides to recording in April when this shows This episode is not scheduled to drop until July right, but it is what it is. It's like time Is it time travel in a way? Yes. This is we are time traveling in our own podcast. All right. How about this? You are a time traveler. Hey, future me. Make sure that you can answer Drew's questions about the next episode when you host

otherwise he will make you pay for it. Okay. Oh, it is not what I sound like. That is not what I do. I sound like that. It's fine. No, it's fine? It's fine. Maybe we don't maybe we don't dive into that well. That being said, guys, until next week. Thanks for listening to yet another Star Trek podcast. This has been a retro session that worked production. This episode was recorded on April 25th, 2022, so by Brad, Drew and me, Eugene. As always, Drew edits the episode every single week.

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