Yet Another Star Trek Podcast - Ep 024: (TOS S01E11) The Menagerie, Part I

Episode Date: August 9, 2022

This week The Gang finds that NBC is really cheap and reused the original pilot as a filler episode. Tune in and listen to the gang talk about "The Cage," I mean "The Menagerie, Part 1." Don't worry, we actually did a new episode and not just relabeled our episode for The Cage. Be sure to check out our website, social media, and join our Discord! Links for all are listed below: Website | Discord | Facebook | Instagram | Twitter | TikTok | YouTube Drop us an email at [e-mail]! “Warp Speed” and "To the Stars" was written and performed by William Grobbelaar Music: https://soundcloud.com/williamgrobbelaarmusic Additional artwork by George Rateau: https://www.fiverr.com/georgerateau

Hey everybody, welcome to yet another Star Trek podcast. I'm your host for the evening. My name is Drew, thank you for tuning in. I'm joined by two wonderful Star Trek fans. I'm assuming that they're both fans. I know one of them is, but after so many episodes, we gotta say I think the other one is. I don't know.

Let's start out with the fake fan first, Magida. I'm the fake fan. You're the hell. You're the fake fan, but it works. I'm the fake fan? You're the hell. You're the fake fan, but of course I'm hurting you. I even knew that you were doing like the William Shatter impression at the beginning of this. That was an William Shatter. You're like, welcome to. You had another Sarkapak test?

I'm just trying to bait the listener in. Get them hooked. All right, got me hooked. Yeah, line and sinker, buddy. Yeah, yeah, you're right. Hi, buddy. How are you? I'm well.

You sound so sad. Well, I didn't want to be the fake fan. You know, I'm second fiddle to Bradley over there. Brad Brad the real fan. Brad word. I feel like Magigi should give him a to merit. No. I know you're not my to merit. I know.

Listen 90 seconds into this episode. I'm already getting it. Well, I feel like if I said that you would totally give me a to merit. I'm taking your Star Trek status away from you and replacing it with some woolly Star Wars status. Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa Sequest. I mean, here I am calling it a hard drive. Oh man, it's been a long day. I bet. It's been so long since we've last talked, hasn't it? Yeah, full 24 hours. 24 hours are doing like this weird like catch up period with the show, trying to get some

episodes recorded and in the can. I, after tonight, I'm going to have three unedited episodes to work on. That seems like quite a challenge. It's Brad's fault. You shouldn't have gone on vacation last week. I done screwed up, fellas, and didn't prioritize my time wisely. That's right. I mean, you saw the Metz lose.

That's good. Dude, they almost got a fight today. It's the Metz lose that's good. Dude they almost got a fight today. It's the Metz though. The Metz have a winning record right now. I mean, when this episode airs, who knows, it'll probably be terrible. Um, you know what, do you, that you see that some of the Yankees fans through, uh, was it cans, aluminum cans? And more than just that. Yeah.

Full, full bottles, beer stuff at the, was it the guardians? I think they were. We're recording this in April. So if you're listening to this in August, this happened last week. Well, relatively last week. So, yeah, you know, this is like time travel, like a time capsule. Ooh, this is our time capsule. Yes.

Yes, this is. This is. I think technically every episode is a time capsule. Ooh, this is our time capsule. Yes. Yes, this is. I think technically every episode is a time capsule episode for us. True. No, but let me, well, for the sake of the sake of the argument, make me feel right. Well, you know, it's time travel related. So therefore it makes you happy. You'd know that wouldn't you. Brad is from the future. Guys, Brad's from Alton Earths as well. He doesn't abide by the normal rules of the space time continuum. Well, listen, we have an episode to cover and we don't need roads to do it, right? Is that a back that future? It totally is. it was supposed to be it was pretty pretty great it was a little uh watered down but I think I think I think it hit the mark

yeah it was forced you're forced that's fair I've hit the level of exhaustion right your insult are, my insults are like third grade level, and I'm just a little bit loopy. What do you guys say we dive in and start talking about the cage? I mean the minasher let's do this. I mean the cage. I mean the minasher cage. The minasher cage. You know what?

Both answers would be acceptable, in my opinion. The the cageery. I like it. All right. Well, we'll workshop it. We'll we'll come back to that. We'll circle back to that. We start off with Kirk Spock and McCoy Beaming down to starbase 11. Once on the planet, no one seems to have any idea why the crew is there. Kirk advises that they have received a message for them to return to the planet as soon as possible. They meet up with Commander Jose Mendes and he confirms with Kirk that there was no message sent to retrieve them.

It's almost as if someone faked orders for them to come. Why would a Starfleet officer do that? Seems like a plot point. Seems convenient. In any case, they're brought to see Captain Christopher Pike, who you may last remember from that 90s teenage sitcom, I don't want to be the captain of a starship. I, Mendez explains that Pike was exposed to Delta raised during a cadet mission, which caused irreparable harm.

And he's now confined to a wheelchair-type thing from Futurama. Oh my god. I laughed. All I can picture is is is fry just in that. This is beeping and then getting out says oh all yours that's because of you because of you we should review that episode after we're done with with TOS I'm I'm totally down for you we can do it is a special special episode. Right. I know of our viewer of the tapes. Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Beeps and flashes of light. One beep is yes, two beeps is no.

Clearly Elon Musk's neural link never became successful. Spock speaks to Pike alone and explains to him that he will be breaking Starfleet rules and all Pike does is flash his no light. Man, sometimes I wish I had no light. Like, I don't know. This man, this part kind of feels a little out of character for me. Um, hang on. Why do you want to know light? There's so many reasons. I mean, can you go through like the top three? It's to tell you no in different ways. Sorry, I like stuff that. I was.

I I deserve that. I I deserve that. That was good. Which I guess bump you right through this screen. To your point though, Brad, yes, this does seem fairly out of character for Spock. Doesn't seem out of character for Pike. He seems like he's protesting this all the way down. You know what Pike was just saying in Morsecoat, BP, BP translates to kill me. Kill me.

So he's a fan of the fly. Oh my God, was that a fly reference? I believe it was never so the movie. Anyway, Spock sneaks into the starbase's computer room in assaults the two men occupying it. Arride the Vulcan sleeper hole came back. The Vulcan next sleeper hole. He does not, they go to sleep. You gotta wrap your eye around the neck, man.

But no, that's fine. We put the different, the Vulcan sleeper pinch. No. All right, well, you lose them. I mean, they go to sleep, right? He then transmits false orders to the enterprise. Eventually, Kirk figures out that Spock has betrayed him. However, it's already too late. And the enterprise has warped away with pike on board as well as McCoy, who had been quote unquote ordered back to the ship. We later find out that Spock is taking the ship to Talos 4 for some reason.

So they're setting up this excuse to essentially re-air the pilot. Oh God. How you guys feeling about that so far? I think I would have liked this episode better if we didn't watch the cage. You you have been on a roller coaster where you wait in line you sit into the roller coaster seat they scrap you in and then it starts going and it kind of builds up. That's what I felt. I'm like, oh, God, it's not going to end well. And I don't know, man, I was not disappointed entirely.

So that giant hump, it was just like a really big steep drop or was it kind of like the, oh my God, we're going up. We're going to go over and then we're actually still just going free. And it was okay. Yeah. Yeah. It wasn't as bad as I thought it would be the setup. So I'm sorry, buddy.

I didn't mean to cut you off. I'm really excited to get into the meat and bones. No, whatever. Whatever, leave me alone. Don't believe me. You insert like a drum. Sorry, what for that? Because that's what I played in my head.

Sad trombone. No, it'd be a sad trombone if anything. Close, close enough. We'll get there. It was plenty of time to get to the sad trobo. In the meantime, Kirk and Mendes are chasing the Enterprise in a shuttlecraft. Knowing that Spock wouldn't leave him to die Kirk lets the shuttle lose power. It forces Spock to stop and rescue him. Spock then immediately relieves himself of command and lets the Enterprise security team place him under arrest.

It's like, oh crap, they're on to me. I give up. Very sudden. Oh, man. However, Kirk is unable to regain control of the ship to the Spock's program and is still on its way to Talos 4. Kirk Mendes and Pike hold Spock on trial for what he did. Through a wall screen, we watch what happened several years earlier when Pike and Spock

went to Talos IV for the first time. Now, where's my script for the cage? Hold on a second, guys. I gotta find this, Brad, did you put that in the Dropbox? Yeah, I don't really remember what happened to that. Oh, so yeah, well basically, what you should do is just maybe go back to our first episode and listen

to the entire summary of that. Yep, we'll wait. You back it? Okay, good, thanks for doing that, appreciate it. It saved some editing time for Drew. and uh, you know, false distress signal summons the enterprise to a planet where pike is eventually cabb pressured by brain aliens. Um, we cut back to the present and then find out that the images that we're watching actually are emanating from the planet Talos for, which is really weird because, uh, you know, creepy and stuff. And then the episode ends.

To be continued next week on Star Trek. To some of the episode, Spock kicks some more ass. Kirk has dreamy eyes for all the women. And you get one light for his, two lights for no, and three for maybe. Gentlemen, how'd you like the episode? I feel like we missed out an important plot point. I'm going to take the blame for that. In the episode they explained that no federation officer is allowed to go to tell us for some reason or else they will die. Or not know. Yeah, so it's like soon. to go to tell us for some reason or else they will die.

Or not known, so they'll be executed or something like that. Yeah, it's like super classified planet, like under penalty of death. Which, yeah, it's like they know already. So it sets up that mystery. We have elements of my favorite parts of episodes is a ticking clock, a mystery, and the stakes are pretty high. And I loved it. I think I have a problem with with Spock's behavior. Well, we don't, okay, sure. All right.

Because they're unknown to you. No, his motives, his, his, his, they, they make several comments, like Kirk and Menda will Kirk mainly is like my first officer wouldn't be able to do that. He's a Vulcan. He's not capable of lying, which is obviously untrue, but it's, there's no, like, looking at the previous episodes, there's really no foreshadowing of him ever wanting to break rank, to go against Captain's orders, at least in my mind, it's not there. And so it feels very out of character for me. And I think because we're dealing with a two part episode,

you while you're okay to have those reservations about Spock's actions, you also can't really definitively say what his actions are until part two airs. And we talk about it. Right, we don't know his motives. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

We just know that he's taken the ship hostage and he's going to this planet. We don't know what the plan is. Yeah, this is this is one of the better two part or first part of the two part episode in a series since Who shot Mr. Burns? in a series since who shot Mr. Burnts? You know, says with the mystery, it sets up the conflict and everybody has their, you know, agenda. By the way, I don't trust Mendez. I do not trust Mendez. He's obviously hiding something. He's hiding something. Well, what's the rationale behind that? He knows he's all he's trying to do is just nail Spock to the wall.

That's it. He's trying to nail us S to the wall. And every chance he gets, like, all right, well, you're heard enough. Shut him down, arrest him. Why is he in his quarters? Why isn't he shot out through a torpedo tube? You know, things like that. He obviously wants to shut this down.

He has an idea. He already knows about talos for maybe he knows about the big brain perverts. We don't know, but Mendez cannot be trusted. I don't get that vibe about him. I feel like he's, I don't know. He is the first time that we've encountered an admiral like person in Star Trek, right?

So he's, I think he holds the rank of Commodore. Exactly. So I'm going to say yes until I can confirm. Let's see. Mendez, Mendez, Mendez. Yeah. Commodore Jose Mendez. So, you know, we have, this is the first time that we've encountered somebody

that has more authority than Kirk does. So I think it's potentially rubbing you the wrong way. I don't see anything nefarious from him yet. Now, I'm willing to be proven wrong, but I'm just not getting that vibe yet. Brad, any I really don't I don't really get the same divide like Majiz getting like I think it's just he he doesn't deal with Spock and these you know not wanting to really give him the benefit of the doubt only because it's just like a, uh, in an officer breaking rank and so to his opinion, Spock should probably be locked up court marshals. I don't think it's anything like ill will like, oh, it's a secret plot.

Like that's the whole, you know, premise. I, I have suspicions as to what's going to happen in the next episode in the direction they're going with it you know based upon the original cage to me I just feel like it's it's a normal plot point nothing nothing out of the ordinary yeah I would agree with that. How do you guys feel about the betrayal of Pike? I mean, like how... I think he's pressing those buttons pretty well. When you say betrayal of Pike, you mean like how Spock is taking him against his bushes? Yeah, I mean like, okay, granted, like,

let's try to look beyond the wheelchair, the one beep, two beep thing. Right, we have a guy who, after the last time we saw him, commanded the ship for a number of years more, became a fleet captain, and then was nearly killed and an accident saving the lives of a bunch of cadets. So the guy that was sick of ordering people to their death almost died himself by putting his life on the line to save them.

It's pretty heroic. Yeah, I can definitely see that. I feel like with the way he was trying to communicate to Spock is that he didn't want him to put himself online. Don't sacrifice yourself for me. I didn't get that. I was too busy keeping my eyes on Mendez. Something's off about that guy.

This is seriously, just something's off about him. Listen, he wanted to, I don't know, man, he wanted that he knows, either he knows something or he just, he's plotting something. But man, he is not to be trusted. He is not to be trusted. It's true that guy. And I could be wrong. not to be trusted. He is not to be trusted. It's true that guy. And I could be wrong. I could be wrong. We'll find out next week, won't we?

But I don't think I am. Do we want to place bets on this? No. I mean, you and Brad could. I'm not. I'm not going down the road. Right. Recovery.

I get it. Well, you do have a gaming addiction, Drew. I don't have enough time to have a gaming addiction. Right. The gaming addiction is just buying games that you never place. Yeah, I have a shopping addiction. Don't worry, my wife's got that, too. A lot of these, a lot of the episode is just them playing the unared pilot, which I refused the name by name.

It wasn't as much as I was expecting, though, honestly. I thought they laid quite a bit of groundwork. I think we're going to get a lot more of the pilot next week, and a lot less of new content. Yeah, I think it's probably what's gonna end up happening because they laid the setting and we joke that it was about half the episode but I think it was really what, maybe like a third of the episode this week felt like more like a third.

Yeah, it. did like I they definitely did leave out certain parts of the unearned pilot that we saw when we watched it. You know what you know what I wish they would have left out. What's that pike flopping onto the bed like a teenage girl. Oh, that was like the best part though, you know, you get the I'm like I'm like there. I'm like they're going for it Like what have you trying to prove by him flopping on a bad like a little girl? Pikes mean girl This episode is pretty like full throttle, you know pedal to the metal the entire time

you know it starts off with with You know Kirk bones in and Kirk bones and spot beaming down to star killer base weight now that star wars star base 11 Immediately and then it starts off with hey, well, we didn't call you here Well, it's muddy cold is here, and it's it sets up that central mystery. It sets up that conflict Spock talking to his former captain was nice. So it had all these different, you know, spinning plates. Kirk and Pike didn't serve, not Kirk and Pike. I'm sorry, Spock and Pike. I'm sorry.

Kirk and Pike. I'm sorry. Spock and Pike. I'm sorry. Oh, okay. Yeah. Okay. I get those two guys confused. They look so similar. Okay. Well, no, I mean, you know, it's because one's always beating the one around like a bright though. I was kind of surprised to see Spock go as covert ninja as he did in the computer lab, trying to falsify the records and the commands to the enterprise. I didn't expect him to middle gear around that room as much as he did. You know, I actually really like the the part of that like I like the idea. I didn't like it that it had spot doing it though. Like it because it felt well spot is extremely tell you know I I get that and I think I mean more just it because it felt so out of character for him to go through these all these methods to do this. Like to me, I mean, I know we're only what 12 about 12 episodes in. Yeah, I mean, if we're counting the like, you know, as far as the actual episode order goes, this is like the 11th episode.

And how long was Spock serving under Kirk at this point? Could Spock was serving, oh, under Kirk 11 episodes? Well, I mean, like clearly this is going to be. Oh, man, way, I really. I'm going to go down. But my point though is that he's been clearly serving under Kurt for a period of time and like he has some sort of trust with him. And I'm sure like Kurt even said it if he wanted to leave, he would give it to him. And if you of the Starship, he can probably work something out with McCoy and Kirk explaining the situation. Obviously, apparently, there's like, if you go to Talos 4, there's some sort of doom,

but if you kind of explain it, I kind of feel like the relationship, they would be more than willing to help him. Do you think that you're looking at the relationship from somebody that's watched the show for so long or somebody that's seen 11 episodes though? It's a possibility of watching it for so long. Yeah, I mean, at this point though, you know, Spock and Kirk have been through thick and thin,

you know, Spock has watched Kirk murder countless retrofits, you know, they have is watch Kirk murder countless red shirts. You know, they have that bond. And it's true. They do have the the red shirt death bond. It sounds like a metal band. Red shirt death bond. Can we call it dibs in that band name?

I just did. My man. But I think to your point though, I could be like using my many, many years of experience with Star Trek, the movies, everything I've seen, and I'm kind of jaded in that sense. It could be a tarly that. One of my favorite moments from this episode is when Spock is on the bridge with McCoy and he surrenders himself and Spock tells McCoy to put him under arrest. And McCoy is just flabbergasted. He's like, uh, is confining you to quarters enough? And I think to, I mean, not to beat a dead horse, but like, so like, we know based upon the consequences

of what's gonna happen, right? We know that, oh, you get court martialed, you're gonna probably lose your command, you're gonna be potentially executed. It's like, we know that's what it is, but like, obviously there's more episodes. We know Spock, am I just like looking at hindsight 2020 where it's just like, hey, we know nothing's gonna happen

to him, so therefore he probably could have just went to, you know, the senior, you know, senior command and be like, Hey, I want to do this. And they would have been like, okay. You're speaking with the optics of someone who is able to look this up in the year 2021. So 24. Don't do that, it's me.

JD's living in pandemic time still. We're still in pandemic times. Oh man, the future's me. JD's living in pandemic time still. We're your stump at that many times. Oh man, the future is great. Great way. That much. Shout out, Brad. You and your time travel nonsense. Yeah, no, I mean, you're looking at this as, oh, well, you know, we definitely know that's

box not going anywhere. But, you know, to someone watching the episode in 1935, 19, hopefully I can see. 60, 66, some things. Some things. Yeah, close enough for it. Sure. Yeah. Six, six.

So I'm at some time period in the early mid, in the good old days when they were watching this episode, they didn't know. So, you know, they didn't have TV guide back then. I think they had some sort of TV guide, Because that's how you knew what was on. They had two channels. They have two channels. No, because you usually had the newspaper. Yeah, the TV guide was probably in the news. Yeah. April, April 3rd, 1953 is the first national TV guide.

Like the actual magazine. The I believe so yeah the original prototype I don't know how much of a prototype was but apparently was developed by like some guy in like the 1930s even Ah, I was right But but it wasn't printed until 1948, I guess. But yeah, the first one, circulation, about a million copies, a million and a half copies in 1953, fascinating. Well, next week on TV Guide History.

You know it, you know it. Oh, man. But yeah, just some real strange behavior in this whole episode from Spock and just completely throwing McCoy off his game. McCoy clearly has no idea what to do with this. I think the behavior from Spock can be, can't really judge him on his behavior until we are able to see the outcome. Which I'm not, I can't really judge him on his behavior until we're able to see the outcome, which I'm not, I can't totally therefore. You know what this episode did?

It made me want to immediately jump into the next episode. Yeah, yeah, I think they did a pretty good job of hooking us. Yeah. I mean, honestly, like, you know, without getting into the nitty-gritty of the score and whatnot, I really liked this. Yeah, I mean, compared to the cage. Yeah. It was, you know, it was, it was balsa-doh-wal full throttle, full send, no stop.

So like, the one thing that I, I'm really wishing we had done was, was not watch the cage. Because, kind of. Because honestly like, I, everything you guys are saying, I agree with you wholeheartedly. And actually, I may be, sounded like I'm giving this a little bit lower of a raking than I,

then I probably actually am. But like I actually really enjoyed it. I just felt I would have loved this episode more without watching the cage. I feel like the cage tainted it more for me because I had such negative feelings towards the cage. So you should do what I do and just forget about the cage entirely. Treat like Bruno. I'm sorry, man. I don't get direct God at joke totally flopped. I was gonna say black out drunk. That's clearly out the case

I'm drunk right now, so you're keeping that right Drew. There's no cutting. Oh, of course. It's totally keeping okay All right, we're on edited man Like Drew just actually doesn't even do anything. He's just like yeah, it's close enough What's a music on there? You see look on Drew's face right now? Yeah, look the further we get into the show the less I actually So you see that cup that he's drinking with you so basically like it's the same cup He drinks while editing it. It starts off full to the brim with like bourbon. And like as he keeps editing, he takes more and more swigs of it. And when he gets to the end of it, he's like,

yeah, that's close enough. Music, good cut here, cut there. The words aren't slurred. We're good. We got this. I imagine Drew edits the podcast like Pusomide checks email. Just with one cup of coffee in his hand. And oh, you don't get that, you don't like Jim Carrey. Oh my God, I forgot. Oh, dude, that's even like 24 hours since we had that conversation. I mean, I remember.

Hey, if it makes you feel any better, it makes you feel any better. You are decades ahead of me when it comes to music. Like you're understanding of music is far beyond me. My musical taste still stuck in the 1960s. Yeah, Drew was the first one to introduce me to K-pop. He's the reason why I know about it. I thought that was me.

Like I thought that was like all of my shit, man. I well. No you introduced me to tentacle monster point Rads about to launch his bourbon all over this computer monitor What where do we go from here Jesus? Yeah, I mean like there's really not I'm trying to draw out this episode But there's really a lot to talk about so Should we just get into it and talk about our scores? Yeah, you know I mean if you think about it This was like about half of an episode in the pure sense because yes, it's a two-parter, but also The only new content fills half of the episode so what there I

I think before we end to the, before we end to the scores, like the one, one question I asked for, for both of you is, would you recommend to our listeners, maybe somebody who maybe not have started with us from the beginning and maybe just picking up this episode? Would you say don't watch the cage first, watch this episode and then watch the cage? Anybody that, listen, anybody I talk to parents, the dog, the cat, don't watch the cage, I tell them all. The dog's right behind me. I've told him numerous times. He knows, don't watch the unair pilot.

It's it. I mean, I wouldn't I wouldn't tell them to watch this episode as like the first episode, but I would tell them to begin the show with the man trap and skip the cage and watch the cage later on. If you have a if you have a mortal frenemy that you don't want watching this show, then tell them to watch the cage. Well, it's like black mirror. I tell everybody to skip the first episode of Black Mirror. God, that first episode of Black Mirror was here. That's a rough one. It is, it is, it is. But the series is great.

I love it, except for that first episode, that first episode was just like, I don't know, understand why I'm watching it. And honestly, the only reason why I watched it was because of your boss, Magi. That poor pig. He sat us all down and was like, Hey, guys, you gotta watch this episode and was like okay

what is this and it was like I don't understand why I can't you know look away it's like a trainer that's what there's a sign of my boss oh man you just get a couple of shots on him he's great but moving back to the episode though like I really, like I really feel that this, like I really feel that this episode benefits more by not seeing the the cage first. So I would say, you know, pass on watching the cage until after you watch both part one and part two, because I feel like the part one and part two probably benefit a lot more from skipping that that episode. And it seems a lot less regurgitate and a lot more fresh by doing that. Yeah, I would, I think agree with that as well too. You know, there's like, like you said before, there's a sense of urgency that the, the cage just is lacking. And I, there's a sense of urgency that the The cage just is lacking and I there's so many reasons for that and I can't fault them for it

the under the the credit actually credits the credits credit The credits I want to say this without sounding stupid or The credits I mentioned the unariness as additional footage? I'm not sure if you guys caught that. I usually stick around for the post credit stuff. There hasn't been any post credit. I didn't catch that now. It mentions the unear pilot.

Well, that's good. There's also no post credit scene, guys. Just so you don't have to stick around for these. I do it for you. Have there been a post-credits scene? If I tell you yes would you believe me? No. They were asked. Yeah, fair point there. Fair point. All right well let's get into it. All right, well, let's get into it. Brad, we'll start with you. What kind of score would you give this episode in one? I think I had been a little jaded by future Brad,

knowing all the experiences and seeing the other interactions with Kirk and Spock. And I think I was a little bit rough on that aspect. And so through our discussion reflecting upon it, I would say probably a seven. I think that's a very solid episode. I would have probably given it a lower score if I'm looking at it as in a flashback episode like some TV series do But I can't really classify this in one of those

You know flashback regurgitating what happened the entire season only because when when this first aired the cage was never released and I looked at it from that perspective and I if I probably were to be honest if I were to look at as an cage was actually aired I would have probably put it closer towards like a five maybe but but I you know looking at it from the fresh perspective, it's, yeah, a solid seven for me. Um, um, JD, what do you think? All right, so I'm going with an eight on this one. And again, this was a, you know, full throttle edge of my seat.

What's going to happen next? Why is this person doing what when is Mendez gonna stab Kirk in the back? You know basically just a lot of questions a lot of spinning plates that I think were handled pretty well bones Bones having this look like like Mark Wahlberg in the happening the entire episode I drew you don't get that reference either do you? So the entire movie of the happening Mark Wahlberg plays a schoolteacher.

Oh, hey, Stella. So Mark Wahlberg plays this schoolteacher and he just has this look of confusion. The entire movie, which is basically mirroring what the audience has because it's a what the hell type of situation. So I'll get you a picture one day. I'm never going to watch a movie again, but it's very much a meme. Anyway, the the mystery, the ticking clock, the suspense, just the handling of the issue. And the fact that this got me wanting to immediately jump into part two makes a good episode for me. So I'm going to go eat.

Yeah, I think that's a pretty respectable number. Um, actually, and I'm going to, I think I'm going to split the difference with with you guys and go 7.5. I think I'm gonna say 4. This is the, uh, this is the best first part of a two-part episode since who shot Mr. Burns. Yeah, well, I mean, this did it first, but, but, um, the time travel, right? Right. There's at least three days in advance. Yeah. So, you know, I think,

when I was watching this episode, I really tried very hard to forget that I'd seen the cage. I should just kind of watch it as if I was seeing it for the first time. That was easy for me. You know what? Listen, you don't talk about the cage. Well, not only what? You don't talk about the cage. Well, not only that, I don't talk about the cage. It's just that even when we talk about the episode that we've recorded and we're like, Hey, with you said, you know, something stupid this, you said,

my guy, I didn't say that. We have you on recording. I didn't say that. I forgot these things pretty easily. It just go in one ear and out the other, huh? Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, pretty much. These things will stick with me very often. Yeah, I mean, I, um, you know, I'll often listen to these episodes as they come out and listen to us talk about something that we had spoken about for weeks prior.

I have no recollection of it. So, you know, I'm with you. I get it. So, so what you're saying is that you're on autopilot for these episodes. I'm on autopilot for life. Can't we just be... That's the saddest sentence I've ever heard you utter. I don't say. But yeah, I mean, like just looking at it from the perspective of somebody that had never seen the original pilot who's been just kind of following along this series since the mantrap has gotten this far. I think they did a great job of hookin' me. And if this was, you know, again, back to

the old metric, if this was on TV, I might start this episode over and watch it from the beginning. If I was channel surfing and I, you know, would be like, oh, man, I missed the first act. Now let me rewind it. Yeah, I actually kind of agree with you on that one because it does have a sense of interest and I never saw the cage. I may actually even grade this higher to closer to like an eight or maybe even a nine Yeah, I could I could certainly don't wait too far now It was it was it was entertaining though. I actually enjoyed it I enjoyed it way more than I thought it would yeah, I was I was kind of concerned about doing this episode

Beacuse you were worried if you could be conscious for starters, but no, like I just didn't want to rehash another bashing session of the pilot. On air pilot, the on air pilot. And I think we managed to pull that off. So I'm pretty happy about that. Yeah. Photo. Photo. Photo.

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Pike is. All right, so photopike is the unair pilot pike. Okay. All right, Pike 2.0 is Menageray Pike. Okay. Pike 3.0 is Menageray Pike. Okay. Pike 3.0 is Bruce Greenwood from the Kelvin Universe. Okay. And then we have Zaddy Pike, which is Antenmell in Discovery and Trangeloas. I may make a recommendation about the naming.

Can you spin Bruce Greenwood off into a completely different naming scheme because they're, he's from a different universe. Kelvin Pike. I'm okay with that. All right. So, all right. So we have proto pike, Pike 2.0, uh, Kelvin Pike and Zadi Pike. Is that cool?

I, I morally object to the word Zaddy, but I'll allow it. All right, I mean, that's noted. You're allowed to have your disagreements with the word Zaddy, but at the same time, it's also in a dictionary. So maybe we don't object to it. I think we established this was in the urban dictionary. Sorry'm sorry. What was that keyword there? You use buddy dictionary? Urban catches it counts. It says dictionary. All right. Well For our very special episode we'll have you read random items from the urban dictionary. Oh

God that is gonna be like our favorite number one episode. And you gotta do it in the central voice, Magi. This is what, if we ever have a Patreon, this is what's gonna be the most money. Oh man, I would, hey, you know what, I'll donate more money to us. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, too. Oh man. Yeah, all right going to go too. Oh, man.

Yeah, all right. So, this is official though. I mean, are we okay with my name and convention now? Until you change it, you can't. Not really, but we'll see. I can't wait until next week, we have a clone show up and change new worlds, and there's like a third one. And I'm like, oh, freaking, hey, man.

Oh, my God. Right. We have mirror dimension pike. Do we have a mirror dimension pike? Okay. Let's yeah, wow. We don't know. Yeah, not yeah, maybe, but in strange new worlds, there could be one. But, but when this podcast airs like, when this episode drops, like, we may already have that answer. So yes, Brad, your future Brad, won't you tell us? It's a surprise. May you, Cherk. Well, I'm not aware of anything at this moment, so... All right, that's fine.

That's fine, that's fine, that's fine. So, next week, spoiler alert, the menagerie part two. Next week Spoiler alert the menagerie part two Well, spot faces well spot faces court marshal for kidnapped and captain pike and hijack in the enterprise He further explains his actions was mysterious footage about bikes captivity by the talosians I got a lot of that mysterious footage the brain perverts Yeah, yeah and I have a very, uh, satisfied episode in the book. Excellent.

Well, folks, thank you for tuning into yet another Star Trek podcast. We hope to see you next week with the Menagerie part two. Until then, we'll see you around. Thanks for listening. Bye. Take care. Hey, folks. Hey folks! Thanks for listening to yet another Star Trek podcast. We're part of the Retro Sessions Network.

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