Yet Another Star Trek Podcast - Ep 026: (TOS S01E13) The Conscience of the King

Episode Date: August 30, 2022

This week The Gang watches Conscience of the King, an episode that gives light into Kirk's dark childhood... and the fact that only nine people out of four thousand could identify a mass murder... despite Star Fleet having pictures of him. Tune in to find out who really did it! Be sure to check out our website, social media, and join our Discord! Links for all are listed below: Website | Discord | Facebook | Instagram | Twitter | TikTok | YouTube Drop us an email at [e-mail]! “Warp Speed” and "To the Stars" was written and performed by William Grobbelaar Music: https://soundcloud.com/williamgrobbelaarmusic Additional artwork by George Rateau: https://www.fiverr.com/georgerateau

Good morning and welcome to yet another Star Trek podcast. I am Brad, your host for today, but as always, I am joined by two lovely individuals, the man with the plan, the guy who goes skydiving, well, no, more like parasailing, kind of like jumping up a little bit off the ground and then hoping it doesn't fall. Majeed, how you doing there, buddy? Hey, buddy.

Because I'm so top-heavy, if I jump over in the air, I fall. Like, yeah. That's true, face forward. Face forward, face forward directly into the sand. But you look like you got some good Dan over there. Yeah, you know, our buddy Franks and Wayne always said that we, that I can't tan jokes on them. I tan.

Well, you're looking good there, buddy. And of course, there are other friend joining us, the man who is probably going to be sleeping his way through the day drew. How you doing over there? Surprisingly awake. I don't know what happened, man. I fell asleep at a normal human time,

like a normal human being last night, despite having a panic attack about not being able to do so. I had everything meticulously planned and none of it worked out and then somehow it worked out. So here I am. Great, welcome. I'm glad you're awake and actually conscious right now. Yeah.

Staping pills and we're able to that to you, buddy. You know, I haven't taken any sleeping pills since I've been on overnight, but I have started taking vitamin D. That's good. I bet you have. I do. I do think it's helping. I know with me when I've worked overnight, the sleeping pill stuff, that was always a

rough trying to get up and to go to work. Yeah. I was dragon. I've tried melatonin in the past and it just really just not work well with me. Like I woke up and I just felt like groggy for the entire day and Like if I had to go to the bathroom in the middle of the night you wake up and you feel drunk It was just yeah, it's really not a good fit for me So I try not to use that and I actually got one of those sun lamps. This should be coming either today or tomorrow

It's like a wake up lamp. It's supposed to you adjust the the brightness and like a sunrise mimic a sunrise So I'm looking forward to using that when that you know kicks in at four o'clock in the afternoon It's supposed to you adjust the brightness and like a sunrise mimic a sunrise. So I'm looking forward to using that when that, you know, kicks in at four o'clock in the afternoon on a word day. You you can know if it doesn't work as far as waking up, you can use it as a way of getting your tan on. That's true, but I can never match the tan quality of Majid. You know, she could do. He's got a rooster.

Yeah, but they go. Theyually depressed rooster in my house. Or you can just teach Metro hot a crop. Or you can just teach Metro. Or you can just teach Metro. Or you can just teach Metro. Or you can just teach Metro. Or you can just teach Metro. Or you can just teach Metro.

Or you can just teach Metro. Or you can just teach Metro. They can be like, oh, it's time to get up. Yeah. I have a perpetually depressed rooster in my house. Or you can just teach Metro how to crop. Or I don't think I need to teach him anything. He just walks across me. It's worse. Well, gentlemen, it has been a while since we've last chatted and done our recordings. Yeah, you bought a house, you finally moved in.

I did, I did, you bought a house, you finally moved in. I did, I did. I bought a house. I have been enjoying the lovely pains of home ownership and making those wonderful trips to the trash and the hardware store and everything, mowing my lawn. I have to admit, actually mowing the lawn part is actually kind of fun in a sense.

Sure. I got a, what's that? Mowing it shirtless. Yo, yeah, totally no. I have to be full on long sleeve, long pants, or else like the bugs will just eat me alive out there. True story. I remember I walked to my sub basement

One time and I came back in my entire legs recovered with bites And I was like nope not doing that again. That sucks Yeah, but but gentlemen. This is our first episode since we finished our strange new worlds Kick for the the lovely listeners. I believe this will probably be the fourth one since strange in the world's aired because I know we I think the last one we did would be right after would be dagger of the mind if I remember correctly. Yep, it's funny because that episode Yep, it's funny because that episode So I just finished editing the minashery

Part one which we recorded on April 27th and I had to do the outro for that and I never did it originally So I recorded that I recorded that fresh last week and that was really weird like We recorded this in April. You're like, it's actually July, but I'm doing your free April. Yeah, we have a, was it like a three month gap in the original series recording dates? Now, it may keep getting a little bit larger there sir. Yeah, yeah, you've got something big on the way or something small I should say small having a newborn child Coming out within I'd say possibly 26 days projected. So we'll see we'll see. Yeah, I mean by the time this episode actually drops You may have a baby.

I know. Isn't that crazy? That is crazy. Papadat. We're watching on the webcam here. Majid's dog completely assaulting him. It is the most hilarious thing you will see. I can't wait. And it's like the kiss is all over his face.

It is like, what did my dog eat? Cause it feels like something died. His butt, his dog ate his butt. His butt, not my dog. Okay, good, thank you. I don't want that out in the internet. No, so I left Kylo at a kennel for a week while I was in Miami.

So he didn't care, listen, he didn't care. You know, I want to say bite of him on that Monday when I tried to moth, and he's like, oh, I'm just gonna go with these strangers for you. And he's like strange people with candy, I love it. Right, right. So, you know, he went and I didn't pick him up until that Saturday because our flight was delayed on Friday. I couldn't get him, so I didn't pick him up until that Saturday because our flight was delayed

on Friday. I couldn't get him. So I had to pick him up Saturday morning. No, I had to pick him up Sunday morning between 8 and 10 because I couldn't get him Saturday. The first thing he does when he sees me on Sunday morning is jump up and give me kisses. A lot of kisses. And he likes to hug and he also tried to give me kisses while I was driving. He loves you. And then this morning, for some reason, he just busts through the door like he's lead Roy Jenkins. And also gives me kisses.

We see while Stella was nice enough to not do that to me, Kyle with us in care. He does not give any any to settle. Yeah. Well, well, gentlemen, before we get started on this this week's episode, do you want to bring up one one unfortunately sad topic of news that was brought to and and the S unfortunately she had a past away at the age of 89 on

a she she played with her and the original series on has been a star trek legend on and I have to say it's a very sad, sad news piece, but it's something that I do want to bring up and just mention, well, even while this episode is not going to be levels for so many people, you know, a woman on the bridge, a black person on the bridge, and just having the respect and power that comes along with being an officer, you know, it was, it was never an issue in the original series. It was just accepted that she belonged there. And I think that's exactly how it should have been. Star Trek has always been a trailblazing show and they've always had trailblazing actors and she really paved the way for so many people.

I texted my mother to tell her that she had passed and my mom was really saddened to hear that and she said she was my hero when she was growing up. And my mom talked about that, you know, seeing a woman on the bridge, like made her feel like she was capable of doing anything. And my mom, you know, is a white woman, so I can only imagine what that would be like to, you know, a young black girl that's watching the show, seeing somebody like having this sort of representation. I can't even imagine what that is like. Honestly, this didn't affect me as much as, you know,

it affected some other fans in the community. Well, you are a fairly newer man. Kobe's passing affected me deeply. You know, Kobe Bryant's basketball player. You know, this was shocking, but it wasn't on uh, on the earth-shattering level as um... Yeah, it's Kobe Bryant.

At it. She had been reportedly ill for some time, you know, they had said there were some signs that dementia, I believe, and... Well, it was natural passing, so that was at least, that was a least positive note there. Yeah, right. Um, she was lived a long life. 80 89 long years, which is stuff like. Yeah. So it's sad to think that we only have three people from the original cast left, you know, William Shattner, Walter Cunning, and George K. Yeah, that's wasn't was a Walter like one of the youngest or is

I'm not sure what what the ages are I believe Shatner is the oldest though Shatner's in his 90s. Yeah, he's very spry for individuals age his age. Yeah, he looks fantastic I can't believe that he's 90 years old and then like Walter in my opinion looks quite a bit older than Then a shatner or George's okay really in my opinion. Yeah, yeah, I can see that. I know George is always I follow him on on Twitter and Like you know see his Facebook posts and stuff like that. It's just His mentality. He's very sharp. Oh, yeah and and and and and

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Wait, wait. We don't have a summary? I know, I'm sorry. I totally missed it Yeah, no, no, sorry I apologize. It's all my jeets. Oh Nope, it's not my fault. I'm not the one that writes these synopsisies Yo guys, I had a lot of trees to trim and a lot of yard to mo.

You should have asked Frank's for help. He's good with logs and wood. Yeah. True story though. True. Truth, truth, truth, Roman. He loves taking off his shirt and just chopping wood. With his hands, with his bare hands.

With his hands, Captain America style. All right, well, Old Domin, let's kind of add with this one. Let's see. We folks have an episode called The Conscious of the King. It is a story about a man from Kirk's past who committed a trotious act where in his attempt to save a colony from starvation killed half the population. 4,000 people were killed and of those 4,000 people only 9 saw his face. Now those 9 just happened to be Kirk, one of Kirk's friends and then some other guy that's on the Enterprise.

I mean, you know, 4,000 people only nine saw his face and then Starfleet actually has a photograph of the man that he compared to to see. I'm gonna move on because I'm having trouble here. The thing that I wanted to just like ask is, like, first of all, how convenient was it that Kirk was among these nine and secondly like Was Kirk like on the colony or the time like and that's what I'm trying to figure out he was he was on the colony and

the thing that they kind of They kind of blows my mind is that this guy's called the governor, I believe. Yeah, I guess he was a governor of the colony. Govna. So how do you become a governor without anybody seeing her face? Well, everybody's dead, so right, they're right. There are no witnesses. No, four thousand was it like he killed 4 killed 4000 and then became the governor

I think I think he selected 4000 of the residents to be put to death so that the other half so I must from what I could gather There were 8,000 residents of the colony. He killed half of them so that the other half could survive on limited food supplies Yeah, yeah, but. It doesn't make a lot of sense. He's basically Thanos. He Thanos, the colony. Yeah. Click 100% 100%.

Oh, the other, the other person, Lieutenant Kevin Riley was also one of the individuals, one of the nine. His parents bit the dust on that one. Yeah. So to give more further detail, now Kirk's friend called play is the man who killed our families, who killed our colonists. And this man apparently also was wounded in the process because half his head is a giant ape ball. Yeah, it was pretty much a giant ape ball. And so, you know, Kirk is skeptical because this man, Kodos, the executioner,

was identified as dead over 20 years ago. And it was a long time ago. And go ahead, Drew. Do you think that Thomas Layton is the original Phantom of the Opera? Hey, you know what? Yeah, that fits man, the original, the OG. I mean, look at that mask. I'm looking at his memory alpha right now.

It is like it's bottles. Somebody took like a piece of fabric and just trace their thumb. Yeah. No, you're not. You're right. No. Kirk's friend, who brings him to the planet, you know, Kirk is kind of skeptical of the whole thing. And of course, Kirk is like, yo, let's throw a shenday. Let's have a party and let's invite him over. You know what? You know, mass executioners can't resist a party. So mass executioners cannot avoid a party.

So let's bring him on over. Holy crap. And of course, what happens? Well, he doesn't come. If it turns out his daughter Lorraine? Yeah, Lorraine is like, no, no my pops he's he's a homebody He does and me with fans. Yeah, he's he's a little bup on his eye high horse, but you know what don't worry I'm the girl with the most I'm here and of course Kirk goes to his normal shmuzin you know activities

You know taking the hand give her a glass, you know the activities, you know, taking the hand, giving her a glass, you know, the usual fun stuff. And the, he's like, hey, let's get out of this place. And so they start to take a walk, and oh no, Kirk's friend is dead on the ground. Mysteriously dead. Not necessarily killed, but dead. No coincidence there, no coincidence there, folks. It's just, just ignore, just ignore, move on ignore move on so you know Kirk is like hey let's

you know I want I want to get the really this scoop with this I'm not sure of this guy is I've only seen him once from a distance it was up in the balcony I didn't really have my spy glasses I wish I used zoom but unfortunately I didn't watch it on a recording so therefore I actually have to go meet the guys. So let me get them on my ship, and I'll figure it out on the ship, because that's always the best thing to do. And when they get there, he did it in a way where it's kind of like a sneaky, like I canceled your ride,

I'm not stalking you kind of situation, but I really wanna see your daughter again You start bringing the daughter around the place showing the You know the the mood lighting apparently there's a lot of mood lighting in the evenings So therefore it's very romantic, but he did comment. There's no sound of a Wonderful orchestra plane. So therefore it's technically not a planned date, but you know it may have been who knows. And then our buddy Kirk, you know, things start to seem a little more fishy. He doesn't want to tell Spock, because you know that would be a smart thing to do. Spock is too Vulcan, so therefore you don't want to tell those guys or else they may be too logical and try to talk you out of it.

And Vulcan. Love it. It's the truth though. He's gonna talk about it. But apparently Spock is actually not gonna try to talk him out of it. It's kind of like, hey, you know, let's let's kind of figure this thing out together guys. And, you know, I have a suspicion too. These things don't add up. And so they start kind of looking into it,

spock on his own little way, Kirk in his little way. He does the whole Google search on the computer where it's like, hey, show me a picture of this dude and then show me a picture of this dude and compare it. Oh my God, they look like they're very similar. 20 years apart. It was the same person.

It was literally the same person. I mean, oh no, oh no. I don, no, man, it looks different to me. I mean, I know I may be that Brad, the same person. The glasses who needs, needs better, you know, glasses? I don't know. You have hearing problem, not vision problem though, Brad. It wasn't like they were doing a voice comparison between the two.

They did do that. But we didn't hear it. No, they didn't, but they did do a technique. Yeah, they did. You're right. You're right. Technically. Technically. That's the best kind of right. It is. But anyways, so what things start to go on the ship is, you know, Kirk doesn't want Riley to find out this guy maybe, you know, this doesn't want Riley to find out this guy may be, you know, this mass murder because this is Lieutenant. Um, Can it Who's the guy? Lieutenant Riley.

Oh, Lieutenant Kevin Riley. His family was killed. So he doesn't want Riley to know his family was killed by this potential mass murder. So he throws them into the engineering deck, which apparently is a demotion. Because you know, that's a thing. Anyways, Riley being, you know, Riley, he gets stuck in the engineering and kind of gets bored. So he calls down to the mess hall just randomly. I mean, that's not weird at all, right guys? That's normal. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, it wasn't it was

No, let me just call down to the mess hall and see if we hear as there's such a good sing to me Yeah, I know which I think he's got a crush on her. I really do Everybody didn't yeah Everybody on that ship. She had eyes for a spot But but you know with with all futuristic things, you know, Riley's eaten his cube plate and drinking his milk. And of course, is you're not paying attention very much in a giant room. That's very empty and somehow somebody sneaks in and sprays some sort of liquid

in a water bottle into the milk. And then he gets poisoned. He gets, gets, uh, think, thank gosh though, the, the, the communication was open, so somebody went and got him into sick bag. And then he know it, folks, it gets even stranger. Somehow a phaser set on overload shows up in Kirk's bedroom. I have no idea how that gets there. Because the mighty put it there. Brad,

wait, really? No. I mean, I'm guessing just based on context. But then we don't know who. And so, of course, Kirk is taking the most logical approach, which, you know, Spockstop. Um, he goes and he cuses this Anton Curidian of being co-host the executioner, making him read some sort of line that he read when he was going to kill half the population apparently. But not, not before throwing a phaser into the garbage shoots, by the way. Oh yeah, by the way, yeah. To get rid of the phaser, he throws it to a garbage shoe

and apparently that doesn't, so Kirk was like, oh my god, this phaser is going to destroy like multiple parts of the deck. I'll just throw it in the garbage shoe and destroy multiple parts of the deck down there. That's fine. Cause, you know, that's a thing. But the uh...

Caribbean is like, no, I'm not this man. I'm not... Gordos, it's not how it is. Goes to do his little play and then Kirk is about to arrest him. Wait, no, a Riley Riley that's what it was a Riley's gonna murder Riley Finds out that he's there and is gonna go murder him so Kirk goes to go save the man because he doesn't truly know if it really is him But turns out There's a plot twist folks a plot twist can you believe it?

There's a plot twist and it is his daughter who has been killing people to protect the father. She admits that her father is the guy and then therefore we know the true answer is that he should really be dead. But of course, she goes crazy. She's a little bit of a nut job if you ask me. But she goes to shoot Kirk and she ends up killing her dad. Try to do, try to do folks. Didn't you see that coming? I

Kind of did okay Yeah, I gotta be honest with you like I saw that coming from a mile away. Yeah, it was it was still pretty, you know It was nice red herring for them to throw in yeah once Yeah, like once once the Yeah, like once once the Once this is the first the spray bottle thing when they were kind of not showing By the way, it has to be here. By the way, yeah, this spray bottle. Oh my god Windex I

Listen, I watch this like literally in the middle of the gym and I'm chuckling when I see the stupid water bottle. I'm not sure why they decided to use a water bottle. Why this? This is lubricant, right? Like a milky lubricant. It's I mean, I assume it was literally a glass of milk so he could eat something with his or drink something with his cubes. Wasn't that cereal? That was cereal, wasn't it? No, it's just cubes. Is this cubes? Space protein. Space cubes.

Space protein. Why do I have to go protein, Brett? Huh. He had a protein shake for a space protein. Well, folks, to sum up this episode, Kirk had a childhood. Spray bottles are still a thing in the future. And we all drink cubes and milk in the future. That folks was an episode.

By the way, that's still been uncovered milk glass near all this engineering equipment. Oh my God. He deserved to die. But he didn't. I know. We can deserve to. He deserved to. He should get core martial just for that.

Can you imagine having like an open glass of water near like a nuclear reactor control panel. I mean, Homer says, hey guys. Homer says he doesn't. I mean, to be fair, he did have the food and the drink away from the controls until he almost died, then it went everywhere. Right, right. Right. And it was a glass, by the way. It was a glass.

Yeah. It's so bad. Because nothing wrong with glass, you know, could happen, right? No, no, no chattering of, oh my God, it's stepped on something. By the way, the name of the mass murder code, I immediately thought Simpson's like, they're with the aliens. Right. Yeah, don't blame me.

I voted for Kodos, you know? I wonder if that was like a homage to that. I mean, the Simpsons did it first, always. The Simpsons always did. Yeah, I mean, they did a time travel and they went back in time and... Listen, I think it's been you know deemed It has been confirmed that the Simpsons does time travel like we all know this Well, gentlemen, what were your thoughts on this fantastic of an episode? We did get

Some some actual information as to Kirk's past that I apparently was not aware of where he was on some sort of colony and half the people died. Yeah, that was news to me as well too. I was not prepared for that and I feel like they just kind of glossed over it for convenience sake. It's like oh yeah Kirk Kirk was also here. They needed a reason. They did. Well the way that Kirk was behaving where he was like not sure that it was Kodos. Like I think would have been sold better if Kirk was not on the colony entirely. I yeah I agree. The fact that they went out of their way to say that he was a part of this colony and that he was one of the nine people left alive

to have seen him and then have him act like a complete buffoon. It was really disappointing. If you think about the friend and then Riley, like they were like, oh my god, this is him. Yeah, 100%. And like I am on board with Kirk trying to ensure that he's arresting somebody that's guilty

of a crime. Right? And not just blocking the first, you know, oh, Brad, you're the killer. Like, oh, let's put you in jail right now just because I said so. Like I'm totally on board with that. But the, I don't know, the execution, I just think, fell a little flat there. We're gonna learn more about Kirk's past on that colony in the eventual Strange New World episode. Like, I feel like it's gonna happen.

You think they're gonna bring back Kodo's and Strange New World's? With a different actor, kind of like they did the, what's the name of that? The Falcon of War, the Bird of War? Oh, right, Bird of Pray. Oh, right, the Birds of the Horse from. Yeah, the Bird of War is from Mom.

It's always sunny, right? Stop, clap, stop, stop, clap. Don't really know what you're talking about. Yeah, why is this show when the baby's born introduced to baby, it's always sunny to go. Yeah, what's the worst they can happen with that show? Nothing. Nothing. They got to learn, um, learn to curse, right? They don't curse. They don't curse. They just do, they just do horrible. They're just the worst people. They are, they are

the worst people. They are the other worst. But they're not. That doesn't help much. By the way, I also have come to the acceptance that we may lose Danny DeVito in our lifetime. Yeah, that's another unfortunate thing. Yeah, him, Harrison Ford, you Ford, we talk William Shatner, like there's so many legends. Shut up.

When I was a little bit later. Hey, you know what, just rest assured, Magi, the rock will still be around though. The rock will still be around. We're not losing the rock. We almost lost Kevin Hart, though, unfortunately. Hmm, that's true. So Brad, I wanted to ask you a question specifically. No offense.

I don't think you'll get the reference, but we used to see in TNG on a regular basis the crew performing various plays and symphonies and you know whether it's a play and ten forward or something in the holodeck. They were often doing Shakespeare and the like. I don't know about you but up to this point I thought that was exclusively a next generation thing. I don't know about you, but up to this point I thought that was exclusively a next generation thing I never anticipated that I would see a Shakespearean play on the original series Yeah, I I think with me like I Well, we're in web episode

19 This 19. Yeah, this is, uh, no, episode 12. 12, I was way off. Yeah, yeah. Just this episode 12 and like in 12 episodes, I don't think I've really seen much of their downtime. Because they don't, I think TUS is a little bit format differently for the audience because this is such a still like the first sci-fi

Star Trek series that they've done and I really put much emphasis in those type of things. I just I wasn't surprised I wasn't suspecting it but the way they added this one it kind of made sense because it's not the the typical of oh the crew is performing it or the crew is a good point. Enjoying it. But then again, if you think about it, who I did do like a song number? She's done that before, but I mean, that kind of gets the vibe to me of like

the crew is hanging out in the mess hall. Somebody's got their guitar with them. They're just kind of messing around singing songs, exactly the thing. Yeah. Yeah, and that's kind of what I was expecting more of those things because it reminds me very much of like a modern day, you know, battleship or something. Where the crew are going to be in the mess hall, they're gonna be doing their jobs, but they'll have downtime and it's usually very close quarters,

not much in the area of space to do things. Like you would have in TNG, because TNG is so much more futuristic, so to say, whereas their behaviors are a bit different, more relaxed in that sense. And this is, TUS is more military related, at least that's how it feels. Yeah, yeah, that's a good point. I mean, the enterprise from Shranger New World was also very futuristic, for being honest.

Shut up, Magi, nobody saw you. Oh, that's fair. That's fair. I know where you live. Do you though? Do you? You haven't been down to L'Ove L'Eleente. We could just go around and knock on every door until we get to your house. Yeah, that wouldn't take that long. Hey, knock, knock, not bread. Hey, knock, knock, bread?

No. Knock, knock, knock, bread? No. Knock, knock, knock, bread? Yes. Lastly? No. OK.

Ha, ha, ha, ha. We'll get close, but no cigar. So, Majid, this being your first episode since we've watched Stranger Worlds, I was mentioning the other day that I feel like Stranger Worlds kind of spoiled me and then seeing this going back to the TUS, what were your thoughts about, sir? I was also wheeled by, by Strange New World. We didn't have the same kind of hairstyle of the week that I was looking forward to.

Yeah. But we did come back to a lighter, I don't wanna say campy, but you know, I got a mystery, I got a, I got, I got a few things that I enjoyed out of this episode. To me, it really feels of the, this is a self-contained story with almost no consequences for the future. Yeah. Whatever happens in this episode is probably going to stay in this episode

and you'll never hear about it again. Just like time travel. Pretty much. Yeah. I mean, that's going to be the M.O. for most of the episodes that we're going to see. Yeah, I mean, honestly, I would have also appreciated it if, you know, every time Spock stood up to Kirk, that Kirk just backhanded Spock. Like, I was expecting it.

But I guess that would never happen. Like, do you think that, were you expecting it just because like Kirk was being irrational or do you think Spock was out of line? Yes. Yeah, I think both of those would fit like, uh, I don't know. I don't know. I just want to see Kirk abuse his power. Okay. Well, I mean, fair. But, uh, and I can't say he's never done that before. Yeah. I think Kirk was was out of line here. I think, I think Kirk was was that a line here. I think I think Spock Was right to question him I don't think Kirk was that a line, you know, it's like the way the way Kirk like you know Spock's asked him like

You know, why are we picking up these people or whatever Kirk says because I'm a captain like that was very snooty Yeah, I think that was uncalled for it was so some torn with it, like I know what Kirk really showed on, because it would have been best to bring Spock into play, be like, hey, this is what's going on, I need an objective opinion. And, you know, based upon the episode, Spock actually, you know, would have aired on the side of the captain's favorite. Be like, yeah, this is actually the guy. We need to take action. Yeah, I think Spock has Kirk's back. He just needs to be in the loop. Like, that's, you know, there's going to be situations where the captain is going to need to keep information from the first officer, but this was not one of them This was trying to be clever and sly until he felt confident enough to To you know start talking about it and then like meanwhile his first officer is going behind Kirk's back

To talk to the doctor to make sure that he's acting properly. I just That disappointed me. He was trying to also honeypot the governor's daughter. How was the king? No, Kodos. Kodos is the king. Kodos, yeah. So, so, Caridan is the new name that he took, right? Our Caribbean. Caribbean.

So, my question to you guys is, maybe I misheard this, but didn't they say that she was 19 in the episode? No, they did. So, isn't that kind of a predatory? The rule is the rule of thumb when dating is half your age plus two. So I think he just maybe You know screwed over that line. How old was a Kirk and its episode? Well, I'm trying to figure out 30 something. So it's 20 to 23

figure out 30 something. So it's 22 23. It's like 33. All right. So have half your age plus three or plus two. Yeah. No, no, it's fair to sorry. But okay. I mean, it's not like he, it was the Alabama of, of, of, of, of Starfleet, you know, no, but I mean, you know, there are an out of space and she's not going to say no because of the implication. And it's another, it's another one that branches doesn't get. Oh my God. It is my goal to bring as many sunny and future

Ramma references to this podcast as possible. It just fits. It just fits. Because of the implication. Thank you, true. That was great. Now we got to share that clip for Brad. He's not he's still going to get it, even after seeing it. Nope. I'm going gonna be like, well, what did I just watch? I'm sure I will have to watch it someday if I ever have free time. There's only how many seasons? 15.

There's short though. But there's like 10 episodes of season, so. Well now that don't think. Now there are. No, originally there were not that many like most of the seasons are short. Anyway, we're going down another path. We are we're going down a always sunny. Gentlemen, so so the the whole episode was really big on that fact that

no one saw, no one saw who this man was, but yet there is a picture. How is that? How does that work? But it was from a different angle, so it's clearly unreliable. He grew up here. Just like you. We have an old picture of you holding a dinosaur egg, and it doesn't look like the Brad I know.

There's no glasses. But how is it? How is it that only nine people saw the man yet they have a picture of him? People look alike, Brad. Like how many times have I seen you at Applebees or Buffalo wowings? I've seen you other places. Hey, hey, not all white people look alike me. Oh All right, you should probably cut that one true That's great, but I'm well if you like no, I don't care. It's up to be jeep. No, no Just just Why people to like bread look like Man, that was that was a nice nice one I'm not sure if it's a good one. I'm not sure if it's a good one. I'm not sure if it's a good one. I'm not sure if it's a good one.

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I'm not sure if it's a good one. I'm not sure if it's a good one. I'm not sure if, we just lost count. It's your job. Yeah, I'm not keeping track of the merits. Well, I'm just gonna round it up to 200. That seems legit. Gentlemen, anything else you wanted to talk about would bring up for this episode? How did you feel about the plot twist? The one we all saw coming a mile away? Honestly, to mirror what Magija said, it's, it was very obvious.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, as soon as, as soon as like, I'm trying to remember what point I thought it was her. It was before the spritzing of the milk, but the spritzing of the milk. but the spritzing of the milk. When they kind of like nod the implicated at the um, Kortos was it? Yeah, like he or he's not gonna show up. Um, it was kind of very obvious that, you know, they're gonna do a, it's a red herring kind of approach. Um, and and that actually we even still do that stuff today and more standardize, you know, dramas that are somewhat poorly written. Yeah, I mean like, it's just kind of a very common TV trope. I don't know if it was common in 1966, but it's certainly common now.

Speaking of common, who do we need to talk to about getting another Star Trek spinoff? They're going to have another one, I'm sure. Well, who do we talk to about pitching a Star Trek spinoff? Well, what do you got in mind? A cadet academy. Star Trek cadet academy. Right? So I've already pitched the low- and order Star Trek or low and order Starfleet. It'd be like NCIS for, you know, Starfleet. I pitched that one. But I think Starfleet could that Academy is the way to go.

So what you were telling me is this is a TV show about, you know, young adults and they're the struggles of going through school and start fleeing and trying to find their own and find out who they are. Think, yeah, think Star Trek meets Saved by the Bell. So basically every TV show on the CW. No, lighter than that, like, again, Sav the bell, even save by the bell, the college years. So, so CW got it. No, the save by the bell wasn't on the seat. Do you even know save by the bell? Yes, I know, save by the bell. But it's those standard typical tropes

that they show in the CW. Like Dawson's Creek. I don't want to wait. When I was a kid, they had these books for like teenagers. I'm trying to remember what it was, but it was like Starfleet, like it was basically Starfleet cadets. It was like a series of books. I used to get them at the book fairs at school all the time. Uh, let me see if I can find it books for kids. Um, I think it was like, uh, start, yeah, they were like, they would, man, startfully to academies, uh, they called them. And like, there was like one where they talked about like, warf being in the academy and these are just terrible books but I used to love the crap out of them. I used to love the crap out of them.

You heard me. I said what I said, he means it. I do. Thanks Brett. Demar. Anytime, but jeez, that's what I'm here for. If anybody remembers this, please let me know. They were delightful.

The only person that read it was you. Only first the reading was you. That's why they no longer produce them. They don't even put them off there. Pretty much. Yeah, I'm almost positive that I was the only person that read them. I certainly was the only person that read them

in my class. Nobody else did. Nerd. See, I was reading Goosebumps when I was a kid. Yeah, I didn't read those. I read the Star Trek things. So speaking of Goosebumps, Arle Stein is still apparently making books. Are you still writing books?

And my daughter, she's reading one of his series right now. And I figured out what it's called. But she's like, hey, like hey, you know what was You know you know who this author is. I'm like, yeah, he's the right goosebumps. Just like what's goosebumps? I said it all shake your mouth This is also the same little girl that asked me Why do we say hang up the phone when we just press a button? And I also said shut up get out of room But um no, yeah, our all-star is still making money out there. You know, way to go

our all-star. That's crazy. That's crazy. And they're still making some of his books into movies. That's also crazy. Some of his books in movies, which ones? Was it Fear Street? Last year they did it. Um, that was on Netflix. Was that good? I enjoyed it. You will hate it. Why would I hate it?

It's horror. They don't have to be called that, Brett. It's suspense terror. Gotcha. Okay. And anyways, folks, I think we're moving on a little bit out of that, uh, that, that, It's suspense terror. Gotcha. Anyways, folks, I think we're moving on a little bit out of that area of Star Trek realm. Jumman, anything else you want to add before we go to our ratings? I can do it. I'm not sure if I can do it. I'm not sure if I can do it. I'm not sure if I can do it.

I'm not sure if I can do it. I'm not sure if I can do it. I'm not sure if I can do it. I'm not sure if I can do it. I'm not sure if I can do it. I'm not sure if I can do it. I'm not sure if I can do it. I'm not sure if I can do it.

I'm not sure if I can do the word I'm looking for? So we watched the Menagerie one, two. And it's a continuous string of solid episodes. So I think this episode was a nice solid seven, ten for me. It was, you know, Kirk doing his Kirk thing, trying to honeypot the daughter. It was, there was a mystery. It was Spock trying to be logical.

We had some snarky doctor, Banser, who was also drinking, which is very comforting. He is a bartender. He's an alcoholic. But he only drinks socially and for work. But no, I think it was episode of Solid 7. I had no problems with it. I thought I would hate the episode and the production design coming hot off the heels of thought I would hate the episode and the production design, you know, coming hot off the heels of, of changing the worlds.

But no, it was a good episode. Yeah, I kind of had a similar concern. Drew, how about you? Yeah, you know, I didn't mind it. I don't think it was anything particularly blockbuster, you know, but it certainly wasn't a offensive episode. I thought it was a nice return to story of the week. Yeah, predictable, but enjoyable. Some of the

plot points were a little convenient. I do think that Kirk was behaving a little irrational at points. And we haven't seen that sort of behavior from him, so it seemed out of place. In my opinion, you know, the way he treated Spock, we've seen him go to bat for Spock before, so to see him kind of like shut him down in that way, just really just, well, not, not, not just before,

but literally the last episode. Yeah, yeah, you're right. Like the last episode, Spock was, you know, on the verge being court-martialed and, you know, Kirk fought to make sure that didn't happen. So, I don't, it was just a little weird. But enjoyable, I would probably leave it on in the background. I don't think I'd be paying too much attention to it. I'll give it a six

It's a solid number solid number. I think I think you guys both really hit the nail in the head with this it's just it is not a Bad episode Of a two S. I think strange your worlds did spoil me a bit I think Stranger World did spoil me a bit. However, it was nice to have a little bit of a palette cleanser. We were able to see a little more modern update tick towards Star Trek. But overall, it wasn't my favorite, but it wasn't bad, so I would give it a seven.

Nice. I wanna change my score. I don't like having the same scores bread Too bad Well, well, gentlemen anything else we want to bring up before we part way with our lovely listeners Well next week we're doing the balance of terror. What's that? And very excited about that. We are. We are. And it looks like Drew, you will be hosting.

Oh, sweet. Sweet. That's exciting. So, Majeed, we saw the alternate version of this in strange new worlds in a quality of mercy when Pike was the captain of the Enterprise against the Romulan Bird of Prey. This is the episode that that episode was based on.

So I think for this one, I'm probably going to watch that early and then jump right back into Strange New Worlds. Yeah, I would like to watch them both back to back as well if possible. Yeah, to stay awake for watch them both back to back as well if possible. Yeah, to stay awake for both of them, buddy. Well, we'll work on that. But now I'm going into this episode with high expectations. I've never seen it, but I'm, you know, very familiar with the plot and the legacy of this episode. So I'm kind of, you know, normally I walk into episodes with a five as my score and kind of work my way up

or down from that. This one, I'm kind of walking in with a 10 and working my way backwards. That seems unfair. I think that seems unfair. Yeah. That seems biased. Judged.

It's true. It is. I'm not gonna lie, but it's kind. True. It is. I'm not gonna lie, but it's kind of where my mind's at is. He's like, yeah, we'll see. Yeah, he's like, yeah, it's totally biased. What do you get in do by it? I'm the editor. What do you get in do?

I'm gonna edit you. I'm gonna edit you. I'm gonna edit out your opinion, Micheath. You think you are. Basically. Apparently nobody, but you know, that's where the listeners decide. You think you are. Basically. Apparently nobody. But, you know, that's where the listeners decide.

Hmm. Folks, I want to thank you all for tuning in to this wonderful podcast. We are wonderful! Yet another Star Trek podcast. Thanks for listening, folks. Have a good one. See ya. Love you!

Thanks for listening to yet another Star Trek podcast. We are part of the Retro Sessions Network. This episode was recorded on August 1st, 2022, and is hosted by Brad Drew and Majid. This episode was edited by a Lord and Savior Drew. Brad didn't write the synapses, but did do the intro ad hoc, so kudos to him. Majid takes care of most of the artwork except for when he doesn't. That's taken care of by some guy named George Rathau who did additional artwork for us. He made us look like lower deck characters which is freaking awesome. And you can too, just hit him up on Fiber while I'll have a link for his information in the show notes. Special thanks to William Grobalar Music for our music warp speed and to the stars. You can find him on SoundCloud and we

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