Yet Another Star Trek Podcast - Ep 043: (PIC S03E09-E10) Võx & The Last Generation (Dual Review)

Episode Date: April 25, 2023

Star Trek: Picard Season 3 - and the entire series - comes to an end with episodes Võx & The Last Generation. Will Picard and crew manage to save the entire Federation from The Borg? Is this the last time we will ever see our favorite crew? Listen in as Brad and Drew break down the final two episodes of the series! Be sure to check out our website, social media, and join our Discord! Links for all are listed below: Website | Discord | Facebook | Instagram | Twitter | TikTok | YouTube Drop us an email at [e-mail]! “Warp Speed” and "To the Stars" was written and performed by William Grobbelaar Music: https://soundcloud.com/williamgrobbelaarmusic Additional artwork by George Rateau: https://www.fiverr.com/georgerateau

Hey everybody, welcome to yet another Star Trek podcast, the Star Trek podcast where we talk about Star Trek recorded as a podcast. That's never been done before. Has it, Brad? No, I think that's the first time we've done. No, actually, I think we've done it before. Now that I'm thinking about it. Has anybody else done it? I'm sure.

I'm sure. I'm sure there's somebody else who's done a podcast and has dedicated it to Star Trek. So I think that's why we called it yet another Star Trek podcast. I, um, I think you're, you're probably wrong,

but I'm not entirely certain. How you doing buddy? I'm, I'm fantastic. Uh, you know what? I'm fantastic. You know what? I'm starting a two-week long, I don't want to say vacation, but it's a two-week long of not working. And the sole focus is to take care of my daughter. It sounds like a vacation as a parent.

like a vacation as a parent you know it it's close enough to a point where i'm ecstatic to to just sit back and relax and take care of the the little munchkin how about you man i'm i'm tired this has been a really stressful week at work and i'm just exhausted. I'm glad it's Friday. And, um, I have so much stuff to do this weekend and I have no, no time to do half of it. So, well, I mean, if it makes you feel any better, I'm right in the same boat. I have no time to mow my lawn, take care of it and clean up half the stuff. Uh, it's a father. Who would have guessed that? That sucks up a lot of my free time. I'm sorry. Traffic has been getting worse.

I think unfortunately that is the signs of summer coming soon. You'll unfortunately have to be dealing with that for quite a bit of time. Yeah, you're right. Well, for the past five episodes, is it been five? Have we done more than five?

Sure. I have no concept of time anymore. Yeah, that's fair, man. For the past five episodes, you and I have sat down every two weeks to chat about star trek colon picard season three and um it's just been you and i our our dear friend majeed has not joined us for these episodes because he has not been watching the show but i am pleased to think that starting our following episode uh majeed will be returning he he did join us actually actually we did record i think two episodes with him while we've been doing this we've just been holding off on

releasing those uh until after picard is is finished so we will have something for the viewers they don't know that yet br Brad. Yeah, they did. We told them last time. Did we? Yeah. What? Yeah, we recorded with Majeed and then the next day

we told them during our podcast with this. We ruined the surprise? Pretty much. No! This is, I'm pretty sure, I'm pretty sure this is not a con situation here but you know what feel your emotions you know let the frustration flow just like they do in that star

other show that is called wars i guess star other show called wars if we use if we use silly titles for our episodes, that would be the title. Oh, I think so. I think that would be perfect. Brad, we have come to the end of Star Trek Picard and our journey with the crew of the next generation. We have two episodes to discuss. Vox. We do.

And the last generation and i want to say um this has been a wild season for me um you know i i saw on facebook the other day somebody did one of those um like mock-ups for for a meme for uh picard and And it was like that game of Thrones meme where it's like how the horse is like finally like pictured in like the first season, second season. And then all of a sudden, like the last few seasons, it's like just a chicken scratch drawing.

And they did it reverse where it's like seasons one and two are just like garbage. And then season three is like the full on like tail end of the enterprise, like fully decked out and everything. It does feel that way, doesn't it? It, it does. And you know, it's, it's funny. Um, I, I have some choice words for Vox and the last generation, but up until this point, I have been extremely, extremely happy with the season of Picard. And so not to spoil anything for our listeners,

but the question is, will my opinion continue or will it go astray with these most two recent episodes? Well, why don't we get into it and find out? We're starting with Vox. Not Fox, F-O-X, but Vox, V-O-X. Like a box. I thought it was actually Magnavox at first. Is it live or is it memorized? I don't know.

Sure, why not? But we start off with where we left Jack and Troy. They are intimately holding hands together, ready for another counseling session. It's not what you think. Okay. Okay. So correction there,

they're together and you know what? They are there to, to identify the red door. You know what? I, I see this man and I see it and i'm like what's in the box man what's in the box but what's in the door what's in the door and like that's all i'm thinking right here at this point it's just what's in that door and we see troy's hand to open it and

we see Troy's hand to open it and cuts away. It cuts away to her running away from be like, I gotta go. Peace. I'm out of here. You know, Oh wait, we don't swear on this podcast. Oops. You need to bleep that stuff out. You know, it was funny like at first when they did that whole cutaway and um troy just like runs and i'm just like oh my god please tell me you're not gonna like wait until the end of the episode to like to show us oh my god that was a real thought in my mind too i'm like you gotta be kidding me no no but but thankfully or I mean, I guess I, I mean, I don't know. You could say, unfortunately we find out what it is and it is the Borg.

Let's hash this out. So I'm going to, I'm going to, you know, I'm going to start with how they explain it. Can we do that? Can we start with that before we hash it out? Yeah. So they, the way they explain it is that Picard was assimilated by the Borg. And when they assimilated him, they changed his,

not only like his, you know, physical with a parents that the nano, the nanomites also changed nanites, whatever changed his like chemistry to a point where it was like biological nanites. And when, you know,

crusher and him got it on, he passed that stuff on. And from what they're indicating is that the aromatic syndrome was actually never the case it was the whole aromatic syndrome that picard was experiencing was actually just the nanoprobes and because of that that is then transferred into Jack. And that is a problem. Yeah, I mean, you really don't want to be shooting your nanoprobes into other people's, you know. No, you don't want to get it on to that.

I can't even finish a sentence so it's so ludicrous um yes so yeah the whole idea and then that's kind of why the um well that's seemingly why they took is because they wanted to help along this change in humanity. And, you know, I apologize, but I'm kind of, I may be going a little bit out of sync here, but the whole idea was that the changelings wanted to use that data from Picard's body to help program into the transporters to help make it a, a part of like the human genetic code. So that when people use the transported, like the change in their physiology was not noticeable, would would then change like anybody who's a

transporter and so i guess that kind of explains why the changelings never really use the transporters because they didn't want to get infected well i i don't think it was that they were avoiding the transporters um i i think i don't because i'm not sure that it would have it would have made a difference with them but the the gist of what i of the situation that i got was the borg basically hired the changelings as hired goons so that they would infiltrate starfleet and take over positions of power that would allow them to get this technology into the transporter buffers and be the transporter chiefs and and the the officers that would do the upgrades and things like that and and basically make it so that this stuff is getting installed in every ship

under their noses and they they explain this you know quite a bit later on in the storyline i'm pretty sure they do but um but yeah like like just the fact that uh let's rewind a bit like how do you feel about them going back to the borg you know i i have very mixed feelings on this part. Like one hand, the Borg are probably one of my all-time favorite villains of Star Trek. I think that's hands down one of my favorite villains. They've always been there. I think in more recent years, they've been kind of losing favor in my mind. I think some of the stories have been kind of weaker but uh i think on the other hand it felt i don't know it kind of felt like a little

bit of a disappointment um and the reason why is that the the the changelings it felt like there was like hyping up the changeling so much only to do this like entire pivot to being like, nope, surprise plot twists. It's the board. Once they shot a Vatican out of the airlock, the changelings were effectively written off the show. And I was kind of disappointed with that, honestly.

Yeah. And I think, I think that was kind of why it was a little taken aback by the whole them switching to the Borg. And I think the other thing, the symbolic door didn't really make much sense. Because it was like... The door, yeah. I understood the vines once they kind of broke it down and explained it. But the door, that was a little bit more confusing. But I guess the red is supposed to match up with what we later find is the eye of Jupiter.

But why don't we just do the normal green? Well, I think they wanted to throw everybody off because if they did the normal green from the first episode then they would have figured it out they would have figured it out and there wasn't there wasn't that mystery box or they could have done like just maybe solid black like a very just black undertone like um you know what decay like rotting decay blackness to it yeah that would have worked because not to get into the the next episode but we find out more about the whole situation as to what's going on with the borg and honestly like i think that would have been a little bit more that would have worked a

little better yeah so uh picard goes to to jack let him hey, Jack, this is what's going on. It turns out I didn't have this disease and I was never sick and I was never dying. I didn't need to actually swap bodies, you know, all of the yada, yada, yada. And Jack was not handing it. He became frustrated

and wanted to storm out. And of course, there's two Starfleet goons blocking his way but that unfortunately backfires and he mind controls them and just like yo peace out guys i'm out of here and he steals the shuttlecraft yeah oh man how'd you feel about that part Yeah. Oh, man. How did you feel about that part?

I mean, at this point, I was just kind of like trying to figure out whether or not Jack was just being stupid or if he was actually being controlled somehow. You know, like. I'm a little disappointed. I share a lot of the same sentiments that you shared with them going to the Borg. You know, the Borg have been sort of... Voyager ruined them, I'm sorry. I know you're a Voyager fan. I firmly believe that Voyager ruined the Borg as enemies. They lost their balls.

Voyager ruined the Borg as enemies. They lost their balls. You know, when a tiny little ship is capable of taking out entire cubes by themselves, like, it's a hard pill for me to swallow like that. So, I mean, maybe I just need to rewatch it again. It's been years since I've seen Voyager, but I really feel like they just kind of took the teeth out of that that enemy so they're kind of watered down to begin with and we just had a season that was centered around the borg and i'm chasing you know a borg queen that turns out to be uh jarati and you know they just keep going back to the well with picard but when i think about it like at the end of the day like that's his you have he's got

two mortal enemies q and the borg and they did q yep and i guess they kind of did the borg well now they're really doing the borg yeah you know i think that that part kind of ah that really disappointed me yeah it and i i think with jack's decision to just you know leave i mean i can understand like him getting frustrated and leaving but like i don't know it it i i think it was more of like him getting like controlled i think that's what they're trying to emphasize that he was getting controlled by the board to to leave but is it like the question is like was it just because like they opened the door or is it because um like it's been there all along and it was just a matter of time yeah i mean it sounds like it's been there all along and it was just them kind of getting everything in position to activate it you know so so we move into them explaining about the whole borg doing the genetic alterations to uh

to the bodies communicate with the cybernetic or communicate uh with their cybernetic compartments and you know picard had uh like far more extensive alterations, all the fun stuff towards that. And the changelings extracted like the altered portions and stolen stuff from like Picard's body, the DNA and everything like that. They go through that pretty quickly. And, you know, it's, you know, they, there's, they're saying that like essentially that Jack is Borg at this point and like, he's not, um, not really there at this point. Okay. And they were talking about, uh, how the, um, was it frontier day is like the, the

massive plan that the, um, that, that the that the Borg are looking to interrupt. So we cut to Jack. We find out where he goes, and he goes to a Borg cube. Yeah. Jack just goes straight to the party. Beams on board and is like, yo, sign me up where where do i plug myself in and he becomes a board yeah i mean there's there's a little bit more to it but but that's the gist of it man like uh so jack goes on the ship and like it doesn't take him long to like find the

boar queen and i don't know if you picked up on this, but I didn't realize it at first either. This was Alice Creege playing the original Borg Queen. Now, I don't know. I guess it was her doing a voice. I didn't get a good look at the Queen in the finale because i decided to watch it in daylight and i couldn't see crap but um i mean was was it cg or was was it um a puppet or what was it it it seemed like um i mean to me it looked like uh makeup on and then then half of the face was kind of CG'd okay so there was some CG

involved then but you know so I think this is where I got a little frustrated with the well we didn't learn about this until the next episode I don't think right I don't think we saw her until the last we didn't see her face we only saw the back of her head i'll let's talk about that in a second here um so uh after jack

leaves picard tells um like shaw to head over to soul system so that they can you know warn the fleet and and all that stuff uh they have a um I believe they're using their cloaking device at that point still. And they get this whole system and the fleet is in formation and they're like, hey, we got a new ship. And honestly, when they were pulling out the

new ship, I honestly thought that was like, oh, is that another version of the Voyager? It looked kind of off, but they have a new version of the Enterprise. I Um, it, it looked kind of off, but, uh, but they have like a new version of the enterprise. I don't remember which one it was. Is the enterprise F F yeah.

Enterprise F for failure. And who was captaining the enterprise F wasn't it? Um, uh, Admiral Elizabeth Shelby, Elizabeth Shelby. You remember Shelby? You know, it's funny.

You know that meme of Leonardo DiCaprio just pointing? Yeah. That was me. I was like, I know that face. Why do I know that face? It took me actually, I think, five minutes to figure out. I was like, she was in TNG. And then I don't remember why.

And so I had to look it up. And I unfortunately had to look it up. So I apologize if you got it before me. You bad nerd. You're not a good nerd. So disappointed in you. In my defense, after I looked her up and I was like, oh, my God, I remember this actress. I despised her when she was on tng oh she was such a bitch

nope she wanted that command chair so bad uh but no i mean shelby was great though like and and her her friction with uh reicher i thought, was really entertaining in the best of both worlds. Very funny to kind of see the two of them or well, Riker kind of like seemingly carrying that hatred forward. Cause he, he was not impressed by the fact that she was leading the celebration on the enterprise, no less. And I mean, we got a couple couple flybys of the f you know

but we really didn't get to see too much of it unfortunately and i don't know i guess it's a ceremonial ship at this point it's not even like active service i'm not really sure you know yeah i don't i don't know but the whole the whole point i think was really just to um uh to to to, to announce like the new ships that the, the Starfleet is using where it's like, everything is connected. And didn't they like, I'm pretty sure that didn't they say this like in last season, season two,

I think they might've because I remember like when they were talking about the Borg, they were like talking about how, Oh no, if like it connects and it connects to the other ships, it could potentially take over the entire fleet. I think in season two, they mentioned something like that.

Then again, it could have just been like a wild, you know, dream or drunken night of partying. I don't know. Yeah. Um, but,

but either way, the whole, the whole concept of why you don't take your entire fleet and have it entirely connected is this reason alone right is because uh we are introduced to vox uh jack's borg, in, in this situation here. Yeah. And I guess it's cause he's like, uh, the vocalist of a Borg band or something. I don't know, man. Like, how'd you feel about that? Like Vox, you are Vox. I mean, it's not as cool as Locutus, uh whatever whatever it's it's the um what is a so fox not locutus the one

who speaks but the voice itself yeah i mean i don't think it's i didn't think it was a very good name but ultimately i don't think it mattered because it wasn't it was never going to be as iconic as locutus was no no no no um and that's not you know the fault of anyone you know it's just like there's just no possible way for that moment to land in the same way you know it just wasn't going to happen no no no and and so because of this connection with Vox, the Borg now have all the things they need to control the fleet and take over

all the Federation's starships. Yeah, all the officers that are under a certain age basically start spontaneously being assimilated. So Beverly said everything was like for humans, this is like 25 or anybody that was under 25. It is because the frontal cortex stopped developing. Yeah. And so anybody who is older than 25 is immediately okay but anybody

under is apparently well you're in well you're crap man that sucks what if you're 26 do you like half assimilate or or what if you're you just turned 25 or 25 in one day? Does that mean you're okay? Yeah. It sounds like it's a little vague. Maybe Beverly doesn't really know the details, but I, I think it's a generalization as to anybody who's 25 or younger,

but you know, it's funny, man. Like I'm thinking about this and I'm like, if, if it turns all the people that are 25 or younger. But you know what's funny, man? Like I'm thinking about this and I'm like, if it turns all the people that are 25 or younger and they take over the entire fleet, that must mean like almost everybody who's older than 25 is out of Starfleet or they die. Well, I mean, I think, you know, it's worth mentioning that they're not expecting to get shot by their own crew. Fair. So in a way, this is kind of an ambush.

And the starships are, there's a lot of young people that make those starships work. So it's not unreasonable. Is is it though or is they just being like you know what we're gonna only cast young people i mean think about next generation and how many people were on the bridge that were probably a lieutenant or below fair fair you know and and just lining up uh age with the the Academy and things like that. It's not unreasonable to think that most of the helmsmen that they had driving the Enterprise, they were probably 25 or younger. Okay, that's fair. I will accept your answer, sir.

Why, thank you. Why, thank you. Yeah, so all these kids, they start turning into Borgs, and they start trying to take over the ship. Geordi is losing his mind because his daughters now are part of this as well, and he never wanted to bring them into it, and it's just a really bad situation. It is, and, like, Geordi's like, it's just a really bad situation. It is.

And like, Jordy's like, Oh, I can go save my kids. Blah, blah, blah. Of course,

data's like, no, you can't do that. They talk them down pretty efficiently. Yeah. Yeah. They, they do.

And I'm, I'm pretty, you know, I'm, I'm fine with it. Uh, so, so the,

the crew, well, when I say the crew, I mean the, uh, our crew, the crew, well, when I say the crew, I mean the, uh, our crew, our crew, uh, old farts, the, the next generation, um, decide to, uh, go down to escape, um, you know, Picard, um Nine and Raffi and Captain Shaw. I'm going to cry. Shaw goes down to escape, but he gets shot. Not a fan. I was so upset with this.

You know, I'll be honest. I feel like this is one of those big letdown moments of the death of a character. Cause to me there was no meaning in his death. I think they were just trying to have him get like some sort of redemption, but I felt like he had already earned it. Yeah. Like, oh man,

I was just so when they, when that happened, I was not happy at all. Yeah. And especially with all these rumors of a, of a new show that they've been thrown around, you know, the Star Trek legacy show.

Um, like I was completely on board with captain Shaw leading the charge on that. Oh yeah, man. That would have been so freaking cool um yeah not a fan of his death so he dies i'm gonna get over this in a second folks please bear with me or we're not for sure he he dies um but uh so the the the original generation, the R generation, leaves the ship. They're like, hey, we got to go find a solution, right?

So Seven of Nine and Raffi stays, though, because that's a thing. They're there to try to help retake the Titan. Yeah. Power to them, right? More power to them. Yeah. Well, we forgot the most important part you know when shaw died he left the ship to seven oh yeah that's right he's like kind of that's kind of a big moment because he he calls her seven of nine captain seven of nine

he doesn't refer to her as as hansen that is actually technically uh that that is that is technically a very big moment for seven it's a huge moment um and you know it's funny like i was i don't know why i didn't think about it um until just this moment but then i realized like why he didn't like calling her seven of nine because it reminded him too much of the board yeah he hates the board based upon you know that previous episode and i just for some reason was like one of those things that kind of popped in my head was like oh that's why he doesn't call her that yeah um but yeah i mean it it all it all makes sense but it was a nice touch to have him, you know, acknowledge her by the name she prefers to go by. Yeah.

Yeah. I, I agree. I agree. So, so at least he went out like on a high note, right? Saving, saving our favorite captain and crowning a new one. Yep. favorite captain and crowning a new one. Mm hmm. Yep. And so, yeah, the things seem very bleak at this point.

The the ships are getting entirely taken care of. And we have the crew of the Enterprise, the original enterprise being like, what do we do? And what do you do in this type of situation? You go to the museum. And Geordi has a surprise in the hidden, uh, hangar 12. I think it was. Uh, yeah. Wow. Your memory is spot on for that one, dude. Um, I think it was? Yeah. Wow, your memory is spot on for that one.

Dude, I'm a Star Trek geek. This is what I do. I can't remember what yesterday was, but I remember what Hanger the freaking... So what we get is the USS Enterprise D. How do you feel about that, man? Oh, what a beautiful sight. So, so.

Go ahead. You kind of alluded to mixed feelings with this episode when we first started today. All right. And they. How about you? How about you? Do you have mixed feelings well i'm trying to let me let me explain go go for it all right you alluded to mixed feelings at the

beginning of this episode about the episode in its entirety right and i'm i'm pretty much in lockstep with you up to this point i'm like they're doing the borg thing again they're doing the assimilation thing oh they're assimilating the kids this is kind of convenient they killed off my favorite character on the show ah they blew it and then they opened up the the space dock door to the enterprise d and all of those complaints just disappeared so so you know what that reminds me of? That scene in Dumb and Dumber where it's like the guy lists is like, oh, you do all this, this, and this, and you expect me to forgive you? This is awesome. And this is like loves it. I'm going to have to take your word for that.

I've never seen the movie. Oh, man. But yeah, this is kind of the moment for me, man. Um, but yeah, this is kind of the moment for me, man. Like when I was saying I had mixed feelings about it up into this point, I was like, crap, this episode has gone the reverse direction. I was hoping the season was going to go and they just kind of started to blow things left and right. And it was frustrating, man. It was real frustrating then they did this yeah and things seem to be like well okay i'll let you have it i'll you gave me this i'm gonna let you take you know to have those uh failures beforehand you did all right in the end and they they milked this moment for everything it was worth right and jordi is, is explaining, you know,

where all the different parts of the ship come from, because the original enterprise D the saucer section was crashed and generations and the star drive section got blown to smithereens. So, you know, the original ship does not exist in any capacity anymore, but they were able to recover the original saucer. So at least it's the original bridge.

And, uh, I think he said the, uh, took, uh, parts from another ship called the Syracuse. And,

uh, he rebuilt the secondary hole from scratch. Um, so like, this is kind of like Geordie kit bashing, uh, the enterprise together and they do these wonderful beauty shots of her and everything and then then they turn the lights

on on the bridge it's like the 80s all over again dude i um i was watching this episode. I don't think my wife was in the room at the time. She might have left the room. And I'm really glad she did. Because it brought tears to my eyes. Like legitimate tears. I want to say I'm glad I'm not the only one.

It was such a moving emotional moment for me. And you know, it's funny like um you say like they milked the moment of introduction of it and it was worth every second of it man dude i love when star trek takes those moments and milks them like it's really hard for me to explain to somebody that didn't grow up with this show just exactly how important like the enterprise is to me this inanimate ship right this this show how important this show is like it's hard to explain that in a way that people will understand because to a lot of people it's oh it's just a tv show right but but this tv show like taught me so much about what it's like to be a decent human being right like i didn't go to church i didn't have a

bible right i had you know the the i had jean-luc picard like trying to show me um how to deal with different cultures and different walks of life and everything and like that's not to take away from my parents like i want to make that clear like my parents i feel like they did a good job raising me like at the core like i wouldn't be who i am without them but but there was this like supplement that existed on the tv screen of of this crew trying to just be the best people possible and put the their the best of humanity forward and like it shaped my life in ways that i don't think a lot of people would really truly understand or appreciate unless you you also experience that you know and seeing this ship this this it's it's like walking into your childhood living room so so many memories right so many memories um it's it's unreal i i think this is the thing that kind of really helped

truly win me over in this episode man like it was so um this episode like was given gave me so many moments i'd be like okay i guess i'll accept this as an answer or a direction they're gonna take but then they do this and i was like okay i'm cool i'm cool yes yeah yeah it's like uh freaking metallis is like i can get away with so much but I better win them over with one other thing. Yeah, pretty much. Pretty much, yeah. Alright, so we end this with the are we able to

save the Federation with just a lone ship? Tune in next time, folks. Into the last generation. And we get to hear that famous command engage man dude gave me chills chills i tell you so i mean like you know a very uneven episode right you've got this huge nostalgia trip that's handled with the love and admiration of of not only the people that wrote

the show but you could tell clearly the actors like felt something being on there right it's it's it's hard to to fake that i think and um it's just the whole thing just just was so well done just getting those beauty shots of the ship which you know that's something that star trek does better than i think anything just it's almost pornographic it's you know but but i mean it is right like i i know you're getting at you want to get all those shots of the curves and everything right and and they they did that of course and you know what what a beautiful ship it is and you know that that era is just so unique because they've they've taken a completely different approach with the ship design since then and like i don't have a problem with the ship design now but they're just like a lot of the ships just

look the same you know it's i don't disagree with that part but it's it's funny like i think about it's funny like i think about voyager and i think about um tng and i remember the ship designs were such a period piece yeah of when things were occurring and like reflecting on the current i still feel like that is more of a period piece as well is because like that's what when we think of sci-fi nowadays we think of that slick design that that i don't know it it's it seems very generic um i know you're getting up it doesn't have like that same feel of uniqueness that i feel like i'm used to you know and maybe that's why the titans stood out so much to me in this show because it was this wonderful blend of new and old you know that saucer section just invoked the constitution class you know the original enterprise in a way that we have not seen in modern star trek and it's it just made it stand out and feel unique and iconic

um in a way that we you know we're only getting with like the enterprise you know even voyager as cool of a ship that was like it was starting to trend in that other direction i feel so so it's one thing is it so it's funny um it's like a fun fact that i found out or maybe you told me i i apologize if you told me but like there is one starship that when i see it it's apparently seen upside down the uss rel Yep. I've heard that before. I never knew that that was the case. Yeah. To me, it makes more sense that way. And I think the reason why I wanted to bring that part up is that I think the

thing that we are, are set on is a specific set way to how these ships are supposed to look and rather than trying to go outside of what that set way is they just kind of go the same old cookie cutter type styles but just slightly tweaking the the silver chrome finish on the outside well i mean with next generation like they they definitely played with the formula a little bit you know um and and like you would see like themes in the way the ships were constructed right because like they're using the same parts for the models so there's only so much you can do you know and this is when we're talking about models not cg so like the nebula

class ship right had had the saucer section that the enterprise has had the same nacelles but they were pointing down instead of up you know and still had the same hull and all that shit but uh it was definitely different and there were other ships that they introduced that kind of followed those same specs you know but i feel like once we hit like first contact like they just kind of like made everything just the same and even as we've gone into this series like there hasn't been a ton of evolution of that design it's kind of just stayed in that lane yeah i i kind of think that discovery did it well discovery was supposed to take place in the past I know I'm just saying I think Discovery did an okay job

of things the um that battle against the Klingons there were some pretty unique designs introduced you know from the first episode yeah so move on to the last generation sir let's do it we we start with an emergency transmission from the federation presidents The Federation President Anton Chekhov

warns anybody who hears this to stay away from Earth. So... At first, man, like, I saw, like, I didn't even see the name on the screen or nothing, and I just, like, was... I think I looked, I was looking at my phone, and I heard the voice, and it was like, Chekhov? Yes.

And I look up, and it was like Anton Turchakov? And I was like, wait a second. So then I actually had to double check to see if it was Walter It was. Walter Kinnick. And it was, yes. Do you get the Anton reference?

That is from the actor who portrayed Chekhov in the uh kelvin timeline yeah anton yelchin yep who unfortunately passed away through tragic means um he he did a phenomenal job loved him i loved him in the role they did like probably any you know any complaints I had about those movies, man. They nailed the casting. Oh, completely. In my opinion.

So, yeah, his death was such a tragic accident. And I love that they honor him to this day in various means. I think he's had a starship named after him, the Yelchin, if I'm not mistaken. him the yelchin if i'm not mistaken um you know he's obviously now uh credited here uh for the character uh which is i think a perfect blend anton checkoff like that's so cool i feel like that's one of the things that um star trek is known for they they tend to be a giant family yes um once once you're a part of like star trek you're part of the family kind of kind of deal yeah and it's it's such a uh a wonderful thing to see oh it definitely was um there's there were a bunch like the the star base, where they're doing the Frontier Day, is called Probert Station. It's named after one of the designers of the original Enterprise of Amat Mystique, Andrew Probert.

Oh, really? Yeah. Wow. Let's see here. Yeah, he was an artist. And I believe he came up with the design for uh the original enterprise or i'm not sure on the specifics but he he was involved in star trek for since the beginning right yeah that's pretty cool though yeah and there's all there's always like

those nods and those little like those little tributes if you dig deep enough like every single ship that they announced in in that uh performance or in the battle later like there's a reference there it's so cool yeah you know it's funny like the one that that got me the most was in discovery when we saw the um i think it was the ship that was named after was a nog yeah yep that that actually that actually got a tear for me because i loved the character like the the guy who played him was phenomenal and i yeah i remember when he passed away and it was like oh that was such a shock yeah yeah just just another example of always being part of the family, like you said. Yep. So we have this message of the Earth's president saying, stay away, stay away. And apparently, you know, there's nobody else who can help.

Like all the ships and non-federation, just nobody's responding to, to, uh, the crew of the enterprise, uh, as they try to figure out a solution to the problem. Um, I want to comment on this part is that, that there was kind of a, an observation of mine. Um, you had, what was it? The, the original crew of the enterprise right seven seven people five five counting correctly for the yeah for the main cast yeah yeah all seven of them are on the bridge yeah who's running the ship like who does engineering not need somebody to monitor or like

anything else no so it's yeah it's not in the book okay it's literally just the seven of them i mean let's be honest data could run the ship by himself fair and he has so fair but wouldn't you like at least station somebody in a different part of the ship they're all borg sure you know i'll find i'll accept it i'm accepting i'm moving on so they head to jupiter um because that's where the borg are and they identify a massive borg cube and you know it's like one of those situations where i'm like how long has that been there and nobody noticed you know like sure why not it's a little it, uh, yeah, you have to kind of check your brain out on that one. Yeah.

Yep. Yep. Right there. All right. So we go back to the, uh, the Titan, uh, you know, the only ship that matters and, uh, seven of nine, you know, taking the lead with, uh, it was, it uh the doctor and um there was one other person oh that's who that woman was she was the doctor i completely forgot she existed yeah she's a real doctor and then you had the cook the cook i don't think we got a name for him did we no no we didn't like most of the people that took the bridge did not have names.

Right. Right. And, and it was one of those moments where it was like, I feel like this was like last minute planning. They didn't really think of it too much. Um, it was the,

the, uh, I don't even know what species that guy was. The, uh, the cook was the, the typical, we're not going to survive a crew member, you know?

Yeah. But I mean, like, I think it was fitting that like Seven didn't know everybody's name and what their role was because like literally there's so much chaos. She probably found the only people that were around her that she could that weren't bored, you know, just started grabbing them and throwing phasers in their hands. And like they attach these transporters to them as well too.

So that when they fired the phasers, it would transport instead of like hurting or killing. Yeah. Transport them in the lock transporter, which I found, I found that was really cool. Um, but apparently there was only like what,

seven people on board who were affected. I don't know. Um, yeah, that was, well, they did beam the rest of the ship off to the, uh,

um, intrepid. Okay. Remember that was a few episodes ago. Yeah, I remember that. But, um,

but I, I have to admit like this part was a little cheesy with the, uh, the chicken. I'm going to call the cook chicken little cause the, the chicken little guy, we're all going to die type of attitude. He was just something else.

So, yeah, the crew take the ship again. They take it over pretty quickly. Yeah. Or no, no, no. They get the infected crew off the bridge and then they start to work on how to take the ship. I remember that part, right? Right.

And then we cut back, then we cut back to Jupiter, which I don't know, man, like, how'd you feel about the board board cube in Jupiter? Eh, whatever.

It's fine. Whatever. But we find out that this borg cube is only at 36 percent operational i think this kind of stems from like what they were talking about in season one where like the borg cubes are like not functioning they're they're like kind of deconstructing from what it seems like i don't i'd have to go back back and rewatch that and I don't want to. No, no,

you're good. You're good. Such a rough season. No, it's okay. It's okay. I'll, I'll forgive you.

Um, you know, you know, Picard turns to Troy to, to see if she can feel anything. She's like, Oh, there's quiet suffering.

And you know, Data admits that he hates the borg and so therefore you should go over there and end their suffering i don't know i'm just making shit up right there sorry um but but yeah like the the crew is trying to figure out what they're you know what they need to do how how can they go and like save um save jack and uh i think this is probably right around where i get one of my most favorite lines in the entire episode is it wharf yes it is wharf and it's like picard's like i'm gonna go uh riker's like i'm gonna go to and then wharf is like i will make it a threesome and I'm just like wow

Riker's response though is like really oh man it was great it's like the only thing I can think of is like phrasing phrasing Riker says to him do you even hear yourself

it was such I lost it i lost it loved it michael dorn i mean i mean everybody in that scene like just plays their roles perfectly but michael dorn has been the unsung hero of this show his delivery and wit and and timing has just been so delightful to watch. I, I have to admit, um, Michael Dorn is probably one of my favorite characters. And yeah,

I think, I think the only reason why he's probably one of my favorite is because of like the fact that he went to DS nine. Yeah. Uh, but, but man, I swear to God,

dude, like that moment, I just like lost my to DS nine. Yeah. Uh, but, but man, I swear to God, dude, like that moment, I just like lost my crap right there. Yeah. Yeah. A hundred percent agree. But, but yeah,

uh, Riker, Picard and Worf go over to the Borg ship to try to figure it out. Um, they, they go and there's no active drones. Like they're all dead and like skeletal. Um,

the, they're like, why, why did it occur? And they don't really know. Some of them are like, actually like their flesh is being like eaten almost like, well,

I think it was like just skull for one of them or yeah yeah like like just just decay and rot so they're trying to figure it out or not they'll actually they don't really care about figuring it out they're just like all right we got a mission to do let's go yeah and uh picard's like all right gentlemen we part ways here and picard goes one way and uh reicher and and um wharf go the other. And, you know, when this happened, like, I genuinely thought, like, they were saying goodbye to each other because we were not going to see them reunite again. I wasn't sure how it was going to play out. But I was really, truly suspecting that Picard was going to bite the bullet.

Um, yeah, I was kind of leaning that way too i wasn't sure how this this was going to end there was a few moments that kind of got quite things that got questionable for me so picard makes his way to uh to like the center of the cube or some other place in the cube and he ends up finding jack uh now is vox he's in his um borg get up and everything like that so i think i had a so i had a problem i had a problem with this part and it was like the amount of time you had to go on there and based upon the the energy consumption for theorg, did they really need to put him into full Borg get up? They could have just left him in like his his outfit and then just grew stuff over it or like through it or something and just kind of had like a mashup like that. I think that would have been more appropriate.

I mean, it wasn't the uh the best situation but i think they were just trying to drive home the point that like he's the new locutus because i mean he had the freaking uh the laser eye you know oh yeah yeah and And Hey, I mean, it, it was very homage to the original, uh, lacutus and now that felt very one-on-one for that. Yeah. Yeah. It was, um, certainly an interesting nod. Just like, like we said before, it just didn't have the same impact,

you know, because as, as much as I like Jack Crusher as a character in this season, like we, we earned that moment uh with patrick stewart and picard like like that was the culmination of 70 something episodes at that point and you know this happened in 10 so it just doesn't hit it just doesn't hit. It just doesn't hit as hard. No, I, I get that. Um, but this is also where we, we see the board queen too, or do we see,

do we, um, do we get, get a face reveal at this one? I don't remember. I think we do, but, but I mean, if we don't right away,

it's soon, soon after that. Um, you know, I'll, I'll be honest, man. Like I can understand from a little bit from what,

when they had the changelings and they had like the changeling cut her hand off. And then like she would have this conversation with this, like that image of whoever she was talking to and looking at the, the Borg Queens makeup, I could kind of see some similarities to it as to what they were trying to convey. It still was a little bit of a letdown to me because like i was anticipating something that was maybe closer to

that looking appearance but you know what that's neither here nor there i guess you should say i could say yeah the um terry metallis did a uh an ama on reddit which i linked to you a little while ago and uh it's worth a read i read it before we started recording he confirms that the quote the gelatinous head um that was speaking to vatic was the boar queen speaking to vatic via long-range communication device if you look at the face and the queen they are the same yeah yeah you know that that eliminates any um you know interpretation oh yeah no no i i get that entirely it just i felt like it it was what you saw in that long range communication looked a little bit different from the queen yeah i i would agree but again you know they're trying to

you know obscure the uh what's happening you know so so we kind of go back to the titan and you know i want to say is that a lot of stuff happens between the Titan and the enterprise and the board ship that are all like happening at the same time. It seems because the amount of time they convey like, Oh, it's about to happen or, Oh, it's about this.

Like we only have like a minute, like there's so much stuff that's like supposed to happen within this confined space to have it run for a full hour. I'm like, Oh man, it's gotta be all at the same time. Cause there's no way these time things can match up. But yes, the.

It was definitely all happening concurrently. But yeah, go on. All I was going to say is that the back on the Titan, the crew has kind of taken over the ship. the ship. Seven apparently realizes Picard's plan and using an older ship to it's not being controlled by the fleet and to try to help

with getting their ship free and trying to rescue the rest of the ship or the rest of the other ships. Well, they were able to figure out that apparently if they are not seen the system will stop trying to connect to them i guess yeah i i guess the

whole thing is based on line of sight which is a little weird weird in the 25th century but uh okay i i well i think the premise is that you can identify like the location of everything where because it's like what if things the the sites go down or um well like some of the sensors go down and they can't like detect so they use the line to say i don't know. To me, it seems like a flaw in plot. Plot hole that I'm like, hey, stop, stop that. It was just an excuse for them to use the cloaking device and kind of weave that into the story by a little bit more time and excitement. And, you know, at the end of the day, I'm fine with it. It's not a huge deal. Yeah, it's fine. of the day i'm fine with it it's not a huge deal yeah it's fine um but yeah we kind of cut between the the enterprise and we we cut between the borg ship and then we we cut into uh the titan kind of

back and forth over the next like you know several you know several scenes here you know picard is trying to uh get jack to to wake up uh the queen's like no you can't wake him up um you have like if you unplug him now he's just gonna like you know he's gonna die from the shock of it um and you know i want to say something is picard starts just like the unplugging crap left and right it just gives no no crap my my comment to that is like why are there no active drones around that area like yeah like why would like even if like all the drones in the area were there to to keep her alive like why wouldn't they like why shouldn't like she like send more of them from other parts to like just continue the process i don't know yeah no it's it's a valid complaint like uh yeah i don't know well warf and reicher go to another area of the cube to uh what was it to

find the beacon i guess yeah and uh there are borg there that are alive. But we don't know it at first, but once they start messing around with crap, then they wake up and they conveniently destroy the phasers for both Riker and Worf. So Worf has to do his battle-eth type of action there.

Yep. And Worf gets shot like multiple times. He does. And then nothing comes of it. Nope. Fine. No, no issues.

No, no problem. Nothing. Um, I, I want to say though, there was like a really funny moment with that when, um,

when, you know, Warf and Riker go behind like this thing, you'd be like, all right, cool. We were gonna, you know,

this is our last stand type of attitude. And, uh, right we're gonna you know this is our last stand type of attitude and uh right like you know rikers like tries to pick up the battle bathleth and is like so freaking heavy and he's like you hold this thing yeah uh and it was that was kind of funny moment for me and then then like he pulls out a phaser from the hill he's like yeah because he's like there's a phaser and he's like why haven't you been using that he's like, there's a phaser in the hills. Like, why haven't you been using that? He's like, oh, it's more fun this way. Yeah. I thought that was quite enjoyable. Oh, that was, that was, I like the banter between the two.

Oh, they're great. Those two are great together. And, uh, you know, it's, it was nice to see, uh, them to get a few more moments together. Just kind of, you know, riffing off of each other. It was a lot of fun so the titan is going in and out of cloaking and non-cloaking to kind of like help delay you know the the feet of earth's spaceship um but ultimately they don't succeed and like the earth's defenses is destroyed yeah and the probert star base goes down yep and they start to target every single major city in all on the entire planet so we know things are doomed if if picard and them don't

don't finish yeah so meanwhile while that is happening uh the the enterprise decides to go all millennium falcon on us and fly into the death star we need to talk about this you know you you start man because i got i don't know man i i liked the idea but it immediately felt wrong. That ship has like a weight to it. And, you know, I know that when we were watching, they were using a model,

they were not using CG and there's real life practicalities to the way that ship moved in, you know, quote unquote outer space, but everything that it would do even in deep space 9 when they started bringing in the galaxy classes during the dominion war which is all cg like they had a weight to them they would fly slow they would turn slow they would you know they would need to take these wide turns like a tractor trailer you know because they just they're big ships and the smaller ships would run

laps around them and then to see this scene where they're flying through the corridors of the borg cube and like this ship is moving like the defiant it just felt wrong you know this is, um, I think nowadays being exposed to much more science based science fiction type stuff, like the expanse is probably a good, good example. And, uh, like objects in motion stay in motion, even in space. And so I, I was reading a reading book. Um, I think it's, uh, the it's the Hail Mary by Andy Weir. Hail Mary. Great.

Yeah. Yeah. And they're talking about how when they were doing this, like they're flying the ship, like they had to do a complete reverse of the engine to slow themselves down. Yeah. So that's do a flip. And that watching the enterprise, like in those moments, I'm just like, this is,

this is so ridiculous. It's especially tough to swallow because star Trek was the trailblazer for this science based fiction. It, it felt very much out of the Kelvin timeline, honestly. Yeah. Something that,

that we would see from that. I, I get it, you know i get it you know hey you know it looked cool i enjoyed the moment but it was kind of like come on guys come on really there was there was an episode in season three i believe it was booby trap where the enterprise is on very low power and they have to navigate out of an asteroid field um and picard takes the helm and pilots them out using like gravity to like slingshot around these asteroids so that they don't use their engines which would trigger the booby trap even further and i'm just thinking about how similar that flight plan was to what they were trying to do and how different it looked in,

in the two scenes. And I just, I loved a lot about this episode. There's a lot here to like, but those scenes just really took me out of it. It felt like they were trying to do star Wars and Star Trek does not move like star Wars. I'm sorry.

I think that was one of the things that kind of turned me off for this episode. I think one of the things I did not care for. I would agree. But yeah, I was a Geordi data crusher and Troy run on the Enterprise. They didn't really think they can do it. Data's like, yo, trust me. I got a gut feeling on this. And he did it. And he gets to the center. And then they're like,

oh my god, if we destroy this, that will destroy the entire ship. And so they'll have about a minute to get out. So they, of course, this is one of the moments where I was saying like i i wasn't sure how they were going to play out um and this is kind of one of those things where i thought what they may alternatively do is sacrifice the entire crew of the original enterprise to to save like

the federation um like that's kind of one of the things, one of the directions I was thinking they may turn at this point. Um, obviously they didn't because everybody was, you know, survived. Uh, but I thought that was kind of one of those moments and the, you know, they, they let Warf and Riker know, um, Warf and Riker like, Oh, cool. Thanks for the heads up. um warfarin reicher like okay cool thanks for the heads up we're gonna go save picard now right and uh did they ever take care of that borg or the borg that were kind of like following them well they did they they uh shot them okay they did because they had the they used a phaser from from warf's hilt to uh yep dispatch And so they go to Picard and, uh,

Picard is jacked into the matrix. Yeah, literally. Yeah. No, he, he jacks himself into the matrix to, because he's like,

you know, the only way to, to get Jack out is to connect with them and, and, you know, talk to reason, let him know he's not alone. And I was like, you know, talk to reason, let them know he's not alone. And I was like,

you know, I guess that's, that's a plot point. Um, I didn't, I didn't really care for that man, honestly. Cause it's like one of those things where,

you know, how do you even know that's going to get you into the same place? And cause when you think about the Borg in general, they don't talk to each other in general. Right. Right. It it's it's not like this whole it's this whole all or nothing type thing the other voices i would imagine if there's other borg on that ship there should be more voices and it's just not picard and jack alone you know well not only that but it's also like they're it's a collective like there should

be every voice not just on the ship. Yeah. Any voice that ever existed kind of thing. Right. So, yeah, there's a thing. Picard talks them out of it, and they both get off of the Matrix. No problem. Yeah.

Yeah, that was anticlimactic. Well, the Enterprise swooping in above them was kind of cool though at least all right you know i liked the visuals yeah i thought it was stupid though it was stupid but visuals okay you got me cool but but it did break that kind of uh that wall i think it kind of goes along with what you were saying before it's like star trek is not being star trek and being more star wars-esque yeah um then again you and i could just be two old fogies and we're we're uh not up with up with the zoomers nowadays hashtag not my star trek look man we can't we can't use that hashtag because we're not complaining about you know uh the inclusion of of uh gay and lesbian and bi characters and asexual characters that crap that crap right there like when people complain about that stuff bothers the heck out of me because star trek's point is inclusion that That's the point of Star Trek.

100%. And so when like, so it's, it's, yeah, I know what you mean. It's like not like you can't do not my shirt. Sure. Because like for us,

it's just like, dude, come on. It's like, it's the special effects, the, the action packed episodes. That part is not my story.

Trek. The other stuff that is my story. Trek. My, my biggest complaint of this episode was that the enterprise moved too fast like let's let's you know come on you know what i'm saying i know i know like yeah they moved mine they didn't follow science. So that's where we stand at this point.

I hope people realize that we realize how ludicrous it is. Oh, God. Yeah. You know what I mean? But anyway. Oh, man. But yeah. So the crew of the Enterprise destroys that part. They beam them up.

You know what? No. I i forgot we missed a part so troy and and data and all them are like oh we don't know where they are but then didn't troy like oh i know i know where they are yeah if you're used to mine bullets to find so so she just like takes over the helm and just's just like going about and traveling. You know, another thing too is actually, I remember I thought about this last night was that when I was watching the episode,

like Geordie has the bridge, right? Yeah. What is the point of him being in the captain's chair when there's no panels or anything at all? Well, like you still, you still need somebody to like take charge and like give those directions.

He can lead while in the other control panel while trying to help out with things. Look, man, just let him have the chair. But anyways, Troy takes the chair. She guides the ship to the rescue. She's the Calvary. She takes care of everybody. They all beam aboard and the ship blows up. Oh,

not the enterprise, but the board cube blows up and they escape like that. Star Wars scene where the ship leaves when the blowing up the ship. I don't know. Yeah. I've, I've given up on, on this part right here.

And then the, you know, the earth is saved and all the all the kids are taken care of. Yeah. Everybody starts like de-assimilating and all the Starfleet brass is still alive. They come up with a plan to put everybody through transporters again to like remove all the erroneous DNA that's going to turn them back into Borg. Yeah. So nothing happens. Nothing happens to Picard. He's fine. Nothing happens to turn them back into Borg. Yeah. So nothing happens.

Nothing happens to Picard. He's fine. Nothing happens to Riker. He's fine. And then the episode ends. No, not done yet. Not done yet. We got a few more things.

There's a few. I don't know what you watched. I'm not done talking. I'm not done talking. You got to listen to me. So Crusher is now an admiral. And she's in charge. There's a section, one year later section, that I want to say,

apparently one year later, they're back at the Fleet Museum, and they're all wearing the same outfit they were a year before, in my opinion. Well, at least it wasn't dirty. That's true. At least they did the laundry. I know, I know. But we cut to, I don't remember how this sequence works, but we cut to Picard, Crusher, and Jack in a shuttle.

Jack's going towards his next assignment. He's in Starfleet. He's on a fast track. Man, fast track. And it turns out, guess what?

He's going to be on the Titan. Oh, wait. I made a mistake didn't i yeah you you you just dead named the ship yeah enterprise oh man enterprise ncc 1701g you know what also another another thing i think we forgot to mention. Who's the captain? Oh, well, you'd have to ask Tuvok that. Tuvok's alive. He's alive. And he meets with Seven of Nine.

And apparently, Shaw actually gave good accommodations to her and said that she should be a captain. Yeah. actually gave good accommodations to her and said that she should be a captain yeah so so he was doing the crew evaluations at the start of this entire season apparently and um his evaluation of her was like he's like i'm a by the book captain and and she's not but everything that she does she does with good intention and the right like goal in in mind and she'll make an excellent captain and i'm recommending her for captain i believe he called her seven in that speech as well too despite having still been calling her you know hansen to her face at that point i i think the whole point though is like to it was his nod to know that she was ready yeah that's what she

preferred you know there's one thing that i kind of wish they did like i kind of wish they they put to know that she was ready. That's what she preferred. You know, there's one thing that I kind of wish they did. Like, I kind of wish they put in a line of being like, she's probably going to be a good captain, but she's also going to probably break more rules than Kirk will. Well, I think that's their way of saying it, but we knew that too, so. I know, I know.

But we roll credits, right? Well, no, no, no, no. We still got a little bit more. Oh, that's right. We do. Yeah, because the crew of the Enterprise, well, the original crew of the Enterprise, they are at a guidance bar,

which I was a little disappointed that they didn't throw a Whoopi Goldberg in there. Yeah, they probably should have ponied up a few bucks for her. I know. It would have been nice. Or heck, man, like Will Whedon would have been great to have him. He's a traveler. He's a traveler. I know.

We don't talk about him. Anyways, they're back at the bar. The reminiscing on good old times and things seem to be going better, right? Yeah. Getting drunk off their behinds and they sit down for one last game. Yeah. They break out a deck of cards and toast each other and then play some poker. Yep.

Now we end credits. But, you know, I want to say, man, I like that ending. As cheesy as the whole Borg twist and the over-the-top special effects, I understand it. I'm probably getting nostalgia from my old Star Trek, and I'm not up to par with what you need to probably put in for, for nowadays for it to be successful. But I enjoyed, I enjoyed it, man. Yeah, it was, it was perfect.

Yeah. You know, I mean, like, obviously I can and have nitpicked some things, but it felt like send-off that we all wanted and i'm so glad that they they resisted the temptation to kill picard again or any of them really yeah mad about shaw i know about shaw but um i think you and i probably both saw that coming yeah me he's he's technically an expendable character. And, you know, it's funny. I hate it, but I enjoyed that they killed him off specifically only because I'm I'm tired of like TV shows that have these no stakes for the main cast type characters. were the main cast type characters. And he felt like a character that was going to be somebody that would stick around into it, potentially new series. And they killed him off.

And I was like, no, there's actual stakes. Please don't tell me that. But if you think about most of the other TV shows that we watch, nobody who's important, the only people that would die would be the red shirts. Right. And this is one of those situations where it's like a Tasha Yar. Yeah. who's important the only people that were would die would be the red shirts right and and this is one of those situations where it's like a a tasha yar yeah or or it's um or it's like roe or jack zia or something you know yeah yeah no 100 this was well put you know and and we were

talking about characters earning it earlier um in the short amount of time that we had him he earned it like yeah you know he he earned us our respect and us feeling bad i i think the only thing is i would have liked to seen it be a more meaningful death well i i yeah it was a little sudden and i felt like it could have been a little bit more epic but i i think it was, I think it was pretty meaningful because like he was standing his ground so that Picard and company could be safe. Yeah. So. All right. So we, we rolled the credits on the episodes over, right?

That's it. Roll the credits. We're out of here. Except for one other thing. Oh yeah. roll the credits we're out of here except for one other thing oh yeah um we cut the the enterprise the the new new enterprise not not not the old one or or the new one that got blown up or taken over by the board but the one where jack is stationed and we see jack and there's a there's somebody behind him it's's Q. John Delancey, back again.

And I don't remember the line for line, but it was something along the lines of, I thought humanity's trial was over, and it was like your father's trial was over. Yours was just beginning. Yep. I have such a weird love hate relationship with q um when he's all trialy wily i can't stand him but when he's playing like that mischievous

little rascal that he kind of became in later seasons like i adored him yeah you know and uh yeah so oh yeah also we uh we i did forget to mention um before the whole poker scene we saw raffy seven and jack on the on the enterprise to do uh to leave starport and they're like oh seven what are you gonna say for your your tagline for for you know it's getting us to go to warp and they just cut it right before she says it that was funny i thought it was perfect because um honestly man like i i truly hope that this means that that is the Star Trek legacy show that we've been heard rumors about. I would love to see a new series that's based on seven of nine being the captain Rafi and Jack. That would be.

Oh, so, so nice because I don't don't get me wrong about strange new worlds but i would love to have something that's set in that continued timeline rather than doing like before or after those type of things well this is i think a thing that a lot of fans were clamoring for and when picard season one was announced i think we had all hoped that we would get that and then we we kind of didn't, you know, that was a lot of, uh, you know,

we were on the last arena the whole time and it wasn't really a lot of star fleet stuff going on. And then we finally get to season two and it starts out on the new stargazer. And then they go back to the 21st century. And an alternate timeline and all this stuff. And it's like, come on,

we just want, all we want is 25th century star Trek. That's all we're asking for the discovery. Oh, well, we're going to go back before the enterprise strange new worlds as much as I love it. Oh,

we're going to be before Kirk. Like, like all roads, like have led to Spock and kirk or just not what people want and this is what people want this is what they've been clamoring for and i think this is the perfect way to do it by using established characters to give a rub on new ones and building that world. And if they choose to take this path with the,

the new enterprise and, and with these characters and just add in a few more, like I'm on board, I will watch the crap out of that. I think it's going to be a lot of fun. Yeah. I really hope that that, and you know what I was thinking about it too,

was that I, I, it doesn't have to be what they're doing with strange new worlds no i i think i would be okay if they did one series that's based on kind of like on this continuous story arc like what they typically been doing with you know discovery and picard um and they kept Strange New Worlds on its own, whereas they did with, if they did another show, and it was just one continuous thing, it would be fine for me. I think that would be great.

Yeah, there's room for both types of stories in the Star Trek universe. And I'm fine with either. And you know, too, having Strange New Worlds and another show set in the Star Trek universe, you know, and I'm fine with either. And, you know, to having, um, strange new worlds and, and if another show set in the present,

there's enough time difference that they don't necessarily have to interact directly. Right. So what happens in one doesn't have to be a consequences in another, you know? Exactly. Let me ask you one other question before we wrap things up. Um,

how do you feel about them renaming the Titan to the Enterprise? I was a little meh about it. I think it was unnecessary. Yeah. The Titan, like, the Titan has kind of been, even before Picard, like, that was a ship that people wanted to see because they knew it was rikers so it had this like legacy to it through the books and through comics it's just never been on screen before and i know this wasn't the same titan like this is a refit and everything is a different captain but like it could still be that hero ship that voyager was that defiant was like things don't have to be

called enterprise i feel unfortunately that right now we are set in a time period where a lot of the media that we consume needs to have some sort of reference point and these these uh corporations that really control things are are not comfortable with taking these new ideas and creating or creating new ideas based upon some of the the existing they have to fall upon what's comfortable for them um i mean it's hey enterprise you have then you got uh the strange new worlds with you have spock in there right and then apparently i think kirk is probably going to show up um i'm assuming another version of kirk i guess yeah um like it's unnecessary type type things i feel like if you have good writing that you can make a very successful show and you don't have to have anything, anything to back it up. And I, to me, the best example of that is like the expanse.

Yeah. The expanse was phenomenal writing, phenomenal, like special effects and acting. And it was very successful. Yeah. They just need to apply that type of behavior and don't take easy way outs don't necessarily go um like the quickest path to the end um like what i always like to say is is kind of take a slow and steady approach like the way marvel has been doing for their movies don't do what dc does and do a very quick and dirty way of trying to make that quick buck.

Yeah. I mean, the thing with like, you know, think about that time, the first time that the Avengers got together, like stood around each other and in that fighting stance, you know,

in the middle of the city, like they earned that moment moment. And that was epic because they had taken their time to build up to it. Yeah. You know, those moments can pay off, but they have to, they have to be earned.

And I think that's the thing that a lot of these organizations don't understand, and that's why they keep going back to things that they feel, oh, people are familiar with the enterprise, so let's stick with that. Let's not name the ship

because I feel like they don't give the viewers enough credit because it's like oh you're gonna like you name the ship the titan well you know then the person like who's the very casual viewers and be like is gonna get confused and be like i'm not gonna watch your show you know what's where's the enterprise right the people that the people that tuned into picard that have not been tuning into discovery or strange new worlds are not going to tune in the legacy. They watch Picard.

They're done. Yeah. And that's, that's the thing. I think they, they, they didn't need to do that part. Right.

But before we, before we close it up, how did you, what did you think of this season? And this is a series too, I guess we could before we close it up, how did you, what did you think of this season? And this is a series too, I guess we could say is that this is, this is the end. Well, we, we've been very vocal about our feelings about season one and two, and, you know, I won't go into too much rehashing of those, but, you know, needless to say, um, I feel like this is a massive improvement over both of those seasons.

It seemed like one of the goals that Terry Metallus and crew had was to retcon as much as possible. And I think they did a pretty good job of that. They retconned the aromatic syndrome killing Picard. They retconned, you know, the Jurati Borg Queen. They retconned a lot of stuff and tried to make it so that it at least made sense and tied in with the rest of the larger universe. It was really cool to see the changelings again. cool to see the changelings again um i i'm disappointed that with amanda plumber being ejected out of an airlock uh we've all but almost forgotten about vatic because she was so powerful but like as soon as she was off you know as soon as her character died that was it we moved on to

the next and it was a boar queen and you know it was a little disappointing to see them going back to the well with that because the changelings became the new big threat with ds9 right they were the unstoppable enemy they were the baddies they were worse than the borg they were more of a threat than the borg ever could have been in my opinion and i i was hoping that we would get something more involved with them being the the final boss of the show yeah and um you know we ultimately all roads lead back to the boar queen and locutus and maybe i was naive for thinking otherwise, but I was really hoping that that wouldn't be the case. That said, they nailed it. The execution was great.

Again, minor complaints, but nothing overall that took away from a final feeling of just complete joy. You know, excitement. Like I was supposed to do some stuff yesterday afternoon. And the first thing I did when I got home was I turned on the TV and I watched the show. I was so excited to see this episode. It was all I could think of. I stayed off the internet for the past, like every Thursday for the past four or five weeks. Like I have not touched the internet until I got home and watched the episode. I can't remember the last time I did that. I can't honestly mirror or echo you enough, Drew, honestly,

because the same thing for the first and second season, same feelings, third season, everything you said is so true. And even to this point where you're saying you stayed off the internet to watch it, I can't tell you how many shows that i will like i can't think of any other shoes shows i do it right now with like it's yeah i just it's one of those things that i will purposely watch as soon as it comes out because i was so interested in this in this series and i'm i'm actually kind of surprised with how well it drew me in because i think about discovery and um that i think the last time was a strange new worlds but that was only because we were recording that was the purpose we did it and i know you and i we were not necessarily initially

um recording each week for this or um well yeah we're not recording each week for this and so therefore we kind of like had some time to to part between those uh the episodes like for last episode in this one i could have watched both these back to back but i didn't want to because i wanted to watch this season um i do want to just comment though one thing is that with the change in the changelings from i think it was episode eight it was episode eight and then nine and ten were with the borg i feel like it was a bit of a disservice and it was not plotted out properly yeah it was a little rushed to to me what would have been more appropriate is to have the first half of the season to be all about the changelings and then the second half be about the board that would have probably been a more appropriate approach and it wouldn't have been

something that was like such like a whiplash with my neck because it's like i got twisted so quickly for that but other than the the complaints um on that, this season was probably one of the most entertaining seasons in Star Trek that I've had since. Well, I mean, Stranger Worlds is pretty entertaining, but I think this is a very familiar grounds that we were standing on. So it's a lot better than what I've been dealing with. Discovery and a lot of the other stuff, too. Yeah. but I've been dealing with discovery and a lot of the other stuff too. Yeah.

I mean, I, I, I haven't reached the point yet where I want to go back to rewatch new Star Trek, any of it really. But I think this would be something that I would pretty place on a pretty high priority if I were to do so. Oh,

I completely agree. You know, like right now like i'm going through uh deep space nine again because i'm i'm listening i'm watching the episode while i'm simultaneously listening to a couple podcasts that are covering the show and um you know i i think uh it may be some time before i start to revisit the newer Trek, but I think that this one, this season in particular, would probably be among the first that I would rewatch. I agree.

Could not second that enough, sir. And it's just so, it brings me such joy to think that there's people that are out there in Hollywood that get it. Because it's so often, it's so often feels like they don't. You know, if they were to say, if Paramount was to announce that tomorrow, Terry Batalis, who wrote and directed the final episode, by the way, too. alice who wrote and directed the final episode by the way too like if he if they said he's going to take over alex kurtzman's role i would be thrilled like i would feel i would feel like the franchise was in good hands i agree um i think one thing we you and I have not talked about on this episode is something that's also to come.

The section 31 movie. Yeah. Um, that is something that I'm pretty excited about. Um, I don't, I don't know if they announced anything about who's writing it, who's doing anything like that.

I hope he does though. Like to me, like he's such a good writer. I hope he, he could probably make it work yeah um and i hope it's not another just kelvin timeline type action i mean then again section 31 could be spies and stuff like that so that could be more action-packed which i would be forgiving towards it like just give me two hours of michelle yo and whatever you do with i know right like

she's gonna be great she's gonna be be great. She's going to be great. You know, like, like Georgiou, Empress Georgiou was one of the best parts of Discovery and they wrote her off the show so that they could ultimately eventually do something with the Section 31 plan. And I know maybe it didn't quite turn out the way they thought it would, you know, but maybe this is for the better.

Just do a movie, get it, get it out of the the way get it one and done and don't like ruin it because you're trying to write too much i i don't know i don't know we'll see i'm looking forward to it though i am i know i'm i'm there's a i think right now we have a lot of stuff coming and there's a lot of potential down the line yeah well in june strange new worlds comes back uh we're also getting another season of lower decks this year um i think those are the big ones oh and discovery season five which is going to be the last season of the season i believe that's coming out the end of the year i don't know if they changed the production release on that because i know they were filming some additional scenes so that they could end the series

well so i'm i'm excited to see how things go me too me too but man this is this was a wild ride and a lot of fun and i'm glad that uh you and i were able to complete it um obviously i think you and i owe like a big thanks to majeed for kind of letting us do this because, you know, he, he, I know. So if, if he had joined us for this,

he would have been so lost. Yeah. So many ways. And I think he, he would have gotten a lot of it, but it would have been not as memorable for him as it is for us. Cause we'd be, there've been so many times we're talking, you and I about how much this season has been kind of like homage to the

fanboyism and Majeed would just probably look at us. Like we have three heads or something. You're probably right. But yes, thank you. Thank you to Majeed for letting us continue. We truly appreciate your dedication to letting us be nerds. And thanks to the fans for listening to this extra long episode.

It's been a while since I've recorded two hours of audio. I'm tired. So I'm going to go. Well, Drew, enjoy yourself in editing, sir. And hopefully you get some sleep. I'm going straight to bed in my butt. Well, listeners, thank you very much for tuning in. It's been an absolute pleasure for this final season of Star Trek Picard and having you tune in and hear our thoughts and probably annoyingly complaining about all the little things.

And please let us know what you think, too. You'll hear all of our social media and contact information in the credits, but we would really love to hear from you, get a conversation going about what you thought about the show, what went right, what went wrong, and whether or not you disagree with us about the speed of the Enterprise moving through a board ship. whether or not you disagree with us about the speed of the enterprise moving through a Borg ship.

Well, on that note, folks, thanks for listening. Take care. Engage. Thanks for listening to yet another Star Trek podcast. We're a part of the Retro Sessions Network. This episode was recorded on April 21st, 2023. It's hosted by Brad and Drew. And Majid is hopefully listening in somewhere. We'll see him in a little while, though.

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