You Are Being Unreasonable - 023 - In which we dye our hair pink before a wedding

Episode Date: July 5, 2018

"Worry about global warming before you worry about your children being on an iPad." How best to beat the heat? Reading Mumsnet threads, of course! This week, teachers look forward to their holidays, we discover the sound of the Internet, we leave children to travel on planes on their own, we learn about the advanced Mumsnet technique, The Reverse, and we drink strawberry Nesquik to remind us of being on the Riviera. Also, we're moving to fortnightly episodes from now on. See you on 19th July!

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Hello. Back. Another episode with your favourite husband and wife podcasters looking at unreasonable things on the internet. It's a very specific favourite. It has to be very specific. Otherwise we won't be anyone's favourite. This is you are being unreasonable.

We're going to dig into some Mumsnet threads and then talk about why the people on them are ridiculous and then we're going to go. Yeah. If there's any loud cheers or whatever in the background we're going to be recording this during the football. The soccer. The football.

The football. The football. We are not football people. No, but England, the country that we live in, is playing another country. Columbia. So, I don't know, people might get pretty raucous. Yeah, maybe. We'll see. Shall we do the speed round? Yes, hit me.

Am I being unreasonable, mum going on a holiday without her child? No, got to get away from then, kids. I actually read an article the other day about the benefits of, I was just, very bored at work, as you'll understand, when I get to the Ikel. About the benefits of taking separate flights to your child when you go on holiday. The benefits for the parent, but not for the flight full of people with an unaccompanied child. No. What are the benefits for the child?

They've got to learn some time that they're too annoying to travel with. Why not now? Yeah, I guess it makes it less stressful, being on their own. It doesn't sound less stressful. It doesn't sound like it. Sounds like a home alone situation. playing alone. Yeah.

So that person is not being unreasonable. No, I get away from kids. Am I being unreasonable to think this is a normal sleepover? Yeah, it doesn't sound normal. Am I being unreasonable, neighbours fucking wind chimes. Urah. Yeah, two ways to read that. One way is unreasonable, do if it has not.

Am I being unreasonable to ask on tips for how to sort this? Yeah, alphabetical or GTFO. Am I being unreasonable that I'm expected to listen to people talk and talk to me? But whenever I say anything, their eyes glaze over. I'm sorry I wasn't listening. Very good. Budham, cheer. Let's begin.

We'll do a fools thread. Am I being unreasonable to think people would be much happier if the internet didn't exist? I know. It's ironic I'm using the internet to post this. But I can't help that think life would be much simpler if the internet. internet wasn't invented. Nowadays, kids prefer to use iPads and play computer games than go outside and play. People post their lives on social media and drive themselves crazy, seeing and saying things they wasn't if the internet wasn't invented. I think the time before

the internet was a much simpler time. The internet has obviously brought good things like Mum's Net, but there are bad things like the death of the High Street, the decline of newspapers, and the fact we are tracked and spied on through cookies and things we can't even understand. Wow, dark, eldritch things beyond the ken of men. That's the noise the internet makes. Does it? Isn't it something like, um, oh, um, no, that was the internet in the 90s. Now it just makes this, ooh, noise.

Sounds like a ghost. Yes. Like a ghost, you can't see it, but you can see its effect. Like a ghost, it's all. always watching you. Should we go through and unpick some of the bits of this? So the first bit... I'm glad they addressed that it's ironic.

Yeah, I mean, good on them for getting that out the way in the first sentence. That was necessary. Then they go on to say, oh, you know, kids don't go outside and play anymore. But that doesn't seem likely to be true. I see kids playing outside. Yeah, I see kids, you know, taking plane rides on their own. Exactly. You know, doing all sorts of shit up in the roads.

Yeah. There was a kid who was playing on the tube on my way home, getting her hair on me. Oh, no. Yeah. If we didn't have the internet, it'd be much more difficult to go and book your separate flights for you and your child. It would. You'd have to go to a travel agent. And then we come to the death of the high street. Which brings me on to the second part.

Yeah, so the bad things about the internet. So there's the thing about kids not going out and playing anymore, which just isn't true. That's an old curmudgeon thing to say. and also the same people who complain about kids being indoors playing computer games are the ones that complain when they hear a child at 5.30 in the evening. Why aren't they indoors silently? The things they think are bad, says that. The death of the high street, the decline of newspapers,

and the fact that we are spied on. You're talking about who is capitalism? Yeah, this is not the internet. This is neoliberalism. And then things they think are good about the internet. The only one they list is Mumsnet, Which, as we know, is by kind accounts, a nest of vipers, and by all other accounts, a pit of horrible turfs. Yeah, the Mumsnet is not a great thing about the internet.

No, if anything, the world would be a better place without the internet, because I would never have got myself into this situation where voluntarily every week, I go into Mumsnet to find stuff that I think is bad, and then voluntarily every week, you choose to listen to that. Yeah, don't scare people away, though. I don't think that kids being indoors is the issue. No, Mumsnet is not what I would deem a highlight of the internet. Wikipedia, very good.

Exactly. A good source of knowledge. Lacking in natural curiosity, are you if you think the only good thing on the internet is Mumsnet? Where you have come to complain about the internet. Yeah, there's all sorts of stuff that's only possible thanks to the internet. This just seems like millennial bashing by another name. Millennials with their computers, not going to the high. after millennials now as well,

but these kids that are indoors. Oh yeah, I guess that's true. And also, a simpler life isn't necessarily a better life, like, you know, hundreds of years ago, people wore sacks and they had to drink ale because the water was not safe to drink, and then they died of dysentery and plague, and that was simple.

Yeah. It's not good. Yeah, there were great improvements to the world, up until about 1970, 1980, when Reaganite, Fatscherite, neoliberalism came in. Yeah. Then the internet came just after. So I think it's very easy to conflate these two things

and think, well, it must be the internet that's causing all this, not global neoliberalism. Well, yeah. It's not funny, but it's true. It is true. We're here to educate, as well as entertain. Educate, agitate. Exactly.

Shall we hear from the thread? Go. You are not being unreasonable. I fear for my children's future. Wow. All right. Dramatic. Yeah.

Worry about global warming before you worry about your kids being on an iPad. And also if your kids are children and they have access to an iPad, that is on you. Yeah. You gave them. They don't just get iPads. Yeah. It's not like those baby boxes that have been introduced in Scotland. They don't come with an iPad.

You're not being unreasonable. I think life is a lot easier and happier before the internet's explosion. That's because you were a child. you were a child. I don't like the culture my children are growing up in. You were a child. No life was carefree because you were a child. I'm on the fence with this one and actually created a similar thread before thinking of the other side of the argument and deleted it. It's connected us in ways unimaginable and yet has also helped bro up the divisiveness we are currently seeing playing out in politics and spilling out into everyday life. Yeah, there was no

divisiveness in politics before the internet. No, none whatsoever. When we only had the newspapers to go by, that was definitely the best way for everyone to understand the world. Absolutely. No divisiveness between the years 1939 and 1945. None. Not a jot. And then let's move on to the other side of this. You're being unreasonable, you can have a life without the internet, just terminate your broadband contract and don't use it.

I live a long way from my loved one, to be able to instant message and send pictures of my baby is really helping me get through the newborn days. Gosh, O.P., I'm of the generation that remembers having to go to a bank. You could only go to the bank within banking hours. Said banking hours seemed to start at 9 a.m and finish at 3pm. Two clicks now when I wake up and all banking is done. Thank goodness for the internet. Why are you banking every day?

What banking? It takes more than two clicks to log in. Especially when this person doesn't say all my banking, they say all banking. There's a mum's net user who's doing all of the world's banking and two clicks, and that explains so much about everything. Immediately after waking up. Hells, hells, that's my computer. Banking.

Click, click. I've done all the banking now for the wild. World's economy is safe for another day. I'm old enough to remember life before the internet. People say this as if it makes them really old. Yeah, I'm old enough to remember life before the internet. Does this mean that we're now, maybe these are our contemporaries who are out there being like, it was much simpler.

We all ran around in whatever. Yeah, I'm old enough for remember life. the internet, I think it's probably the best invention in my lifetime. There's a false nostalgia for a simpler past. Life is not simpler then, just different. Yeah. I think that probably says enough. Yeah. Yeah? Yeah. Let's move on. Am I being unreasonable? Bridesmaid won't dye her hair. My bridesmaid has dyed her hair this week, a horrible pink colour, and I'm getting married

next Saturday. Am I being unreasonable to ask her to dye it back or uninvite her from the wedding. For context, she is incredibly self-centred and always wants the attention to be focused on herself, and I think she has done this just to stick out in the photos. Grums. Yeah. I suppose it depends. Does it depend what she's wearing? Like if it's a pink dress? Surely that's up to the bridesmaid. If she feels comfortable with her hair and dress either matching or clashing or whatever it is, it's up to her to... So what usually happens? There's the... Because I don't think our wedding... our wedding was standard.

No, I don't think it was. The bride usually picks the bridesmaids dresses, yes? Yes, and sometimes picks the hairstyle as well, but that's the style. Not the colour. Not generally the colour. Yeah, it is hard to say, since one of my bridesmaids, as it were, told me the moment that we first talked about it, that she was buying a pink pants suit, and that was that. And I said, sure, go for it.

And she dyes her hair grey, and I was like, cool, whatever. And then she decided that she wanted to wear a kind of greyish suit instead. and I was like, if that makes you happy, sure. So there's no reason that your hair and bridesmaid outfit can't be the same colour. But also, I don't think we're people with the most experience in how standard telling people what to wear weddings go. No. No. You dyed your hair, you dyed a pink streak into your hair at my brother's wedding, but you weren't a bridesmaid.

No, and it was... And I don't think anyone cared. It was a pink streak. Yeah. I didn't do all of my hair bright pink. And I think the crux of this one is that the O.P. says it's a horrible pink colour. Now, what's horrible pink? There are no horrible pinks. All pinks are beautiful.

I'm going to search for horrible pink. And they're like a sort of pinky green? A pinky brown, like a... I was going to say a bloodstain, but those are orange. These all just look like pink to me. So Simon Giggled horrible pink, and they're all kind of baby pink. There's that picture of that dress that Rachel wore in Friends. Was that for a wedding with the puffy?

Yeah, that was when she was supposed to be a bridesmaid at the wedding of her best friend and the man that she jilted. Barry. So, if anything, the dress is really the least of the problems there. And she didn't dye her hair. But I can see that that is a horrible pink. I think the best solution is to dye your own hair pink. So that if this woman is trying to be the central attention, it doesn't work.

You upstage her. You fight fire with fire. I think that's a good shout. And the other bridesmaids, all pink. Yes, everybody. Yeah, that'll show her. That will show her. Or make her fit in, which, you know, you want. Yeah.

I like that she says for context, she is incredibly self-centred. Even though the O.P. this is, is talking about uninviting a bridesmaid because the bride's maid won't die her hair. Brodemeys, presumably a close friend or relative. Yeah, you don't ask someone to be a bridesmaid if you're not that arse either way if they're going to be at the wedding. And you think they're selfish. That's a good point. Why did she have a bridesmaid who she clearly doesn't like? She's also called the thread Bridesmaid won't dye her hair, which I think is clickbait, because actually she says,

Am I being unreasonable to ask her to dye it back? So she doesn't know that she won't? And dye her hair back. Yeah. Maybe if she asked, the bridesmaid would be like, oh, okay. Yeah, you're right. This is clickbait. This is ridiculous. Let's hear from the thread. I'm kind of torn.

I mean, it really wouldn't bother me at all, but the timing of dying her. her hair and odd colour does seem calculated. Does it? Yeah, maybe your wedding isn't the most important thing in her life. I think people are getting, people are always looking to find the worst in people. Yeah, maybe she's got an interview or a role coming up or a date or something that for her supersedes the importance of your wedding. And so, yeah, I know it's important to you.

Or maybe she just fancied doing it because it wasn't until you mentioned just then that I'd put a pink streak in my hair at your brother's wedding that it occurred to me that anyone in the world would have given a damn. I just fancied doing it. Yeah, and it matched your dress. I hope no one did mind. Literally, I just had a dress that I liked and I saw some dye that was the same colour

and I was like, that'll be fun, I'll do a little streak of that. It'll be nice and summary. I hope no one thought, well, that's calculated. That's a bitch. I think pink is a lovely hair colour. If you're that pathetic to worry about your bridesmaid hair colour, then get rid of her bridesmaid. I'll deal with it.

simple. Yeah. Someone has said what you've said. Why did you ask this person to be a bridesma? Why did you ask a selfish woman to be your bridesmaid? You're being unreasonable. It's done of your fucking business what colour her hair is. Yeah, bodily autonomy. Wow. Does it match her frock? A frock. Can't you all dye your hair poodle pink? Why people assume that it's poodle pink? Oh, that's what I said. All die your hair? Just the bride's half. Oh, it seems to have been established that this is a reverse by which it's been written from the point a view of the bride, but by the bridesmaid to find out if the bride really is

unreasonable. Gabarge. A what? A reverse. A reverse. So someone thinks another person is being unreasonable, so they write it from the perspective of that person to see if everyone piles in to say you're being unreasonable, which doesn't really make any sense, because if you think

someone's being unreasonable, you'll always phrase it in such a way that they will be unreasonable in the post. Yeah, it'd be hard to involve activity about that. Yeah, so I don't really know why people do it It's a big mum's net thing. Everyone seems to have decided that that's what's happened. Is it a common technique?

Apparently. It's weird. It does seem suspicious if you know she's an attention seeker. What a conundrum! It seems unreasonable to ask her to dye her hair, but at the same time, if she did it on purpose, it's unreasonable for her to think she can be so damn right up herself. Not up herself.

She hasn't said anything. She's contributed nothing to this now. She's just died her hair and nobody's asked her to die it back. Nobody's asked her why? No. Honestly, I do stuff to my hair. I think, oh, that'll be fun, and I don't really give it any thought, and I don't do it for other people, and I'd hate for anyone to think that I ever did something to my hair just to spite them.

Like, I got a haircut last week. I hope nobody's looked at me and been like that, bitch. She knew, she knew my dinner party was coming up. And then she's got a haircut. She's had to stage me with her haircut. She knew that it's my birthday in September, and that this haircut will be in place by that. Yeah, I just don't think people are as cruel and calculating as much. that wants to jump to the conclusion they are?

Maybe this bridesmaid is. She sounds very selfish. Because the OP said so. This is what you need though, right? Something borrowed, something blue, something old, something selfish. That is the way it goes, yeah. Get the hairdresser to put it up or stick a big boring headband on her. Oh yeah, that'll look better in the pictures.

A gigantic headband. Headscarf. Who cares? This is silly. This is all very silly. I don't understand how's a house. someone could possibly think that a haircut or a hair dyed thing would be done out of spite. I have one bridesmaid with hair that was dyed grey. It's always been dyed grey. It looks beautiful.

It suits her very well. And another who complained that the hairdresser she went to see used three cans of hairspray and she had this amazing, like, huge blowout that could have upstaged my hair if I'd stop to think about it or cared or believe that anyone is ever really looking at anyone else in the bride that closely. a wedding. Yeah. People worry about what they look like and people care about what the bride and groom look like. People generally aren't going to remember years from now, and if they are, then you don't want them at your wedding either.

Yeah, and we looked great. We did. Especially you. And if anyone had wanted to dye their hair pink before the wedding, I would have supported that. Let's move on. Am I being unreasonable? To want to make England feel like abroad. For a variety of reasons, I can't go on holiday to Europe. Brexit. But have managed to find a great deal

somewhere in England. I'm mournfully sad about missing that amazing feeling when you know you're on holiday abroad, but I can't put my finger on what it is. Hopefully someone will know what I mean. I was debating how to make it feel like I'm abroad, and all I come up with so far is drinking Nesquick, because I'm not very imaginative.

Well, I was coming up with all sorts of ways that Europe is better than Britain, like the cafe culture, the public squares, the more relaxed drinking culture, the better train systems, the less stringent visa restrictions, etc. But then, apparently what I do in Europe is very different from what this person does in Europe, which is drinking Nesquick. Something which is readily available here. And they are doing here. Could we also just take a moment to reflect on the fact that they want England to feel like

abroad but they haven't been specific enough for anyone to help yeah I yeah I took that to me in Europe because I mentioned Europe they say no that's not specific enough either that's that could be anywhere like there's a big difference between wanting it to feel like Bavaria and wanting it to feel like the Costa Brava yes Italy has a very relaxed drinking culture and a cafe culture they bring you crisps with all your drinks yeah you get some a peritivo you sit in the square you drink outside it's very nice yeah Poland's It's not like that. In Poland, you drink inside, and the beer is very cheap. Actually, in Poland in the summer, all the pubs move everything into the Rinnocks.

Oh, I've never been to Poland in the summer. Well, let's say Scandinavia, then. I guess that's quite chilly. Yeah. More drinking inside. They don't bring you any crisps. No, very different drinking cultures. Yeah. But that's a great thing about Europe.

It is. Or, you know, in Italy, people eat dinner really, really late. Yes. But I think there are probably lots of places where they, at five. Yeah, in Spain they have siesters when it's hot. Yeah. We could do with that. It's very hot during the day, during this heat wave.

I mean, now we're just listing stuff that happens in places. The point I'm really trying to make is you can't make England feel like abroad, because abroad is not a single entity. And to believe that it's England and abroad suggests that there's something chronically wrong with you, which is backed up by the fact that your idea of what happens abroad is just that people drink Nesquick. You don't deserve to go abroad

because you clearly don't make the best of it. Sitting by the pool with a Nesquick in your hands. Like a big kid. Yeah, you can get Nesquick here, man. Yeah, you absolutely can. You know what, you can't get here? Full-sized baby bells. Yeah.

If you were having a full-sized baby bell, then yeah, you'd have a point. That's a tip for the O.P. Maybe you could mash a load of baby bells together, or maybe you could just buy a wheel of EDAM and then put a label on it that says baby bell. And then maybe you'd feel like you were abroad. Maybe you would have that amazing feeling

when you know you're on holiday abroad that you can't put your finger on. Apparel spritz and a full-sized baby bell. Wow. Yeah, because she doesn't specify which country, you can start merging stuff like that. Yeah. Amazing, yeah. And a camember.

And you could go for apra ski. Yeah. I'd love to know whereabouts in the UK this person's going, because I think that will also inform which options are available. It will make a big difference though, won't it? Like if you're going to a seaside town, you could probably go in, like, sit somewhere on the coast, sit outdoors, have your deer outside, looking over the sea, lovely, whatever.

Or if you're going somewhere that's like mountainous, you could try and make it feel like you're in the Alps. Or if you're going to a city, then it's a city break. It is what it is depending on which city it is. You're going to struggle. Yeah, if you're going to Birmingham, you're not going to be able to convince yourself that you're in Roe. probably.

More canals and Venice. Yeah, we've heard. We've all heard. We know that. Yeah, we've heard Birmingham Tourist board. Put it away. Well, you know, if you're in Aberdeen, you're probably not going to feel like you're in Barcelona. No.

No, very different style of architecture. Yeah. More grey. Much more grey. Not a bad thing, the green. It's beautiful. Sure, but if you're aiming for Barcelona. But it's not Barcelona.

Exactly. So yeah, this person just seems dreadful, really. They seem to think that abroad is a single age. abroad as a single entity, they do then narrow it down, but I think to say Europe is also insufficient. It's too much. You're already in Europe, for one thing. And then they seem to think that just having a nest quick will make their holiday amazing. That makes me wonder why they're even going on holiday. If you think having a nest quick will make it feel like you're somewhere in Europe, just stay home and have a nest quick. Okay, they've said, you know sometimes when you're

somewhere hot and it smells different and it reminds you of all the times you've been happy on holiday, I'm kind of thinking if I can evoke that a broad holiday feeling in England. Like using a certain suntan lotion is... Hang on. Like using a certain suntan lotion is drinking strawberry Nesquick. I've got no idea what this person's on about. Absolutely

none. Let's hear from the thread. I know exactly what you mean. Eating outside. Another one. Eating outside. Someone said buy nice food from a few independent places or waitrose or an M&S food home. An M&S Food Hall is the exact opposite of feeling like you're abroad, surely. Yeah. I get what they're saying, though.

I think this is about when you associate having certain things with being on holiday. Like, when I was a kid, we'd go up to Scotland every year, and there was this sort of supermarket that did a macaroni cheese. It's a very specific type of macaroni cheese, you know, it's quite stodgy. Is it Scottish coloured cheddar? Is it orange? Yeah, yeah. And I guess I associate that kind of macaroni cheese with being on holiday there.

Yeah, no, I can see that. Like if you stop at T-Bay on the way to Scotland, you're going on holiday. Yeah, okay, I think other people have also sort of come round with this idea. There are certain things have associations. So somebody has given a list of what for them is a holiday. So they've said seafood, Alfresco, they've said Marks and Spencer's Food Hill. They've said, good books, apparently those are only for holidays. they read bad books the rest of the time

a floppy hat and different jewellery than what I would usually wear at home okay so I'd like to see this person who puts on their holiday fancy dress of a floppy hat and different jewellery and then faths around in the M&S food form with a good book

find a place to sit outside with your morning coffee that's true actually sitting outside for a morning coffee has got a very holiday feeling just after we got married we were still on annual leave and we went to a cafe about 400 metres away and sat in the garden and had coffee and it felt like being on holiday. Yes. Yeah, I think I get this now. It was the Nesquick that threw me. It was the Nesquick and the Lumpin abroad. Yes. I've gone from thinking this person is terrible to thinking

this person's just terrible at writing, but probably quite relatable. Yes, and with some weird holiday associations, but that's for them. Someone said, can you go to Jersey or Guernsey or the Isle of White? That's not, they haven't said where can I go that's like being. being abroad. They said where can I drink a Nesquick? Anywhere. Have a drink you don't usually as an a pair of teeth each day. Yeah, definitely try loads of boozes you don't actually like. Yeah.

That's good. That's English drinking culture. Have some Yeager mom. Someone else has said a full Kindle. You'd have to have a heck of a lot of books to fill a Kindle. Yeah. You're not going to get through all those. How long does this person going on holiday four?

Oh no. Just suffer through Moby Dick. Yeah. Let's leave it. Now that we've worked out what they're getting at. getting at actually fair play I just think a Nesquick was maybe a terrible example of things

Yeah you're alright Opie You're all right I hope you have a lovely time in Birmingham with your Nesquick Your full Kindle By the canal Last one Am I being unreasonable

To think it's rude of teachers at the end of term declaring they've earned their holiday Slash of wine etc Does it not imply they think everyone's kids are little horrors And it's such a hard job And we're not worthy Maybe all the kids are

little horrors. Maybe it is a hard job, but they're getting paid for it. It was their choice. My job's hard too, but I won't bang on about it. I think it's quite insulting to the parents of children. No? Who are they talking about? Why are they so angry? What? Are they talking about a teacher who declared to the children? Off you go now. I've earned my holiday slash large glass of wine. It is a hard job. And then little Johnny went back and and reported that verbatim to his mum. Maybe they've got some teacher friends on Facebook or something. Okay.

Or maybe they've seen a thread on Mumsnet where some people are teachers and they're like, oh, can't wait for my holiday and a glass of wine. This is peak Mumsnet. Yeah, who cares? My job's hard too, but I won't bang on about it. Well, your thread is about teachers, so the fact you've managed to crowbar in that your job is hard. Yeah.

And that you... It seems like you were looking for a reason to complain about your job. You've never had a hard day at work and said, Oh, I've earned a glass of wine. Or when you're putting you're out of office on for your annual leave, you've never been like, oh, I'm really looking forward to a holiday. No, they just feel guilty all the time. They feel guilty about going on holiday

and about not being at work in the evenings. Maybe they've never had a holiday or glass of wine because their job's so hard, but they don't like to go on about that, so they've left it out. They're waiting until they actually earned it. Which will be never. Like, how are you personally insulted? Yeah, who cares?

It is a hard job. I was affronted that I had to spend 30 seconds in the presence of a little girl on the tube earlier. Right. But alone putting up with kids for an entire term, 30 kids. So I'm a fundraiser, and I have a load of supporters who I look after, and I'm their main point of contact. And just before I was going on annual leave, I was on the phone to one of them,

and I said, oh, I won't be around next week or some of the week after that because I'm on annual leave but I'll speak to you as soon as I get back and she said have a lovely holiday and I said thanks I'm looking forward to it I hope I shouldn't put the phone down then think that ungrateful bitch looking forward to her holiday I'm never going to support that charity again I don't think she did because she said have a lovely holiday because most people think have a lovely holiday one of the other developers in my team that I work with just before I went on honeymoon said have a nice holiday you've earned it I wonder if I then walked out of the room

and they all started saying, he hasn't really. I can't believe he didn't say no, I haven't. Oh, he didn't racked with guilt at all. We all work as hard as him. Why aren't we going on honeymoon? Well, no, should we have taken all of your team and all of the supporters that I look after?

We should have taken everyone, yeah, because they've all earned it, and this woman and mum's there. And her kids. Jagged him along. Come on, everyone, into the plane. Suffice to say. Kids own a separate plane.

Not necessarily true, but any child raised by this woman likely is a little horror. Especially a woman who can't imagine that someone want to go on holiday without taking it as a slight against her kid because she must think her kid's the best thing in the world. Yeah, man. And statistically, like, at least one of those kids of those 30

is probably going to be a little harder. Yeah. And putting up with one horrific kid would drive you to drink. Wow. Okay, that's a different thread for a different time, perhaps. Or at least two, I think you've earned a glass of wine at the end of a term.

So, saying I've earned my holiday does not imply all the kids are little hers. I just, how can this person think it's rude? It's not rude? Yeah, who cares? Oh, so from the thread, no, it doesn't imply that at all. It implies they've worked hard and earned their holiday. Oh, poking the bear there. Don't say that, because she'll be back to say how hard she works.

We're getting back into this traditional mum's net thing of all the work is inherently virtuous, and we should all be doing work all the time. and work is our duty and we should always be working and there's no time for creativity or leisure or anything like that the OP comes back I actually love the holidays so I can spend time with my children I've not explained myself very well of course they deserve them as much as doctors secretaries cleaners but the mass end-of-term onslaught which doesn't seem to come from other professions just makes me think crikey is it that awful other professions don't all take their leave at the same

time. Yeah. That's, oh my word. What onslaught? I have friends who are teachers and I've not seen this onslaught. Where is it? I have friends that are teachers and I see this onslaught on like random Wednesdays. Like photos of a glass of gin like, ah, deserve this. Yeah, you've been a teacher. I have been a teacher. I've never drunk as hard in my life as when I was a teacher, but that was because I lived in Poland, not because I was a teacher. My friend is a primary school teacher she gets told to go fuck yourself miss on at least a weekly basis there's not enough money in the world you could pay me to ever be a teacher kids these days in my dc's school there are class sizes of 12 to 15 at most so possibly vastly different to the majority of the country

yeah it's clearly a private school yeah it's a private school or it's a pupil referral unit let's be honest and if it's a pupil referral unit you definitely deserve a glass of wine babe yeah just decline that you've earned your holiday on social media is not the the same as shouting it in the head teacher's face. It's not one on the slot, unless all of the teachers have turned up to the OEP's house. Yeah. They've been knocking on the door and other Mum's Net Crime. We're here.

They arrived after 6pm and Mum's Net Crime. I think all of these are crimes. And then they says, we're looking forward to our holidays. At that point, I can see why, yeah, you'd be pretty miffed. But if she's just seen the occasional post on social media, whatever. Yeah, just a teacher who has earned their holiday and declares that they have earned their strove We Nesquick. Exactly.

And their floppy hat. And their M and S volvant. Call it a day? Yeah, let's call it a day. Should we do one more speed round? Yeah. One more speed round. Out.

Am I being unreasonable to worry about hot feet? Yeah. Most people worry about cold feet, but you got to think about the hot. Yeah. Am I being unreasonable to end this friendship now rather than wait for contact? Oh. Yeah, probably best to wait. Am I being unreasonable to not want to pay to be in a dance show?

No, it seems like you're losing, no. Am I being unreasonable to think these plans for the Queen's death are a bit OTT? No, I imagine it will be OTT, and what plans? How do they know? These plans? I heard she's getting the fourth plinth in Trafalgar Square. The dead queen just propped off. Like some sort of revolutionary statement. Her head on a spike on the fourth plinth.

I'd heard a statue. Can you hear the people say? Okay. I think we should close it there before we were tried for... For treason. For treason. The last thing still punishable by death.

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