You Are Being Unreasonable - 035 - In which we pay Coca-Cola to raise children as a job creation scheme

Episode Date: December 20, 2018

"You're either depressed or you're a snitch: that's capitalism for you." Pay attention to this week's keywords: A is for 'anti-capitalism' and S is for 'snitching' and 'spectral penises'. We discuss snitching on people who are sharing prescription drugs (in an anarchist company structure), snitching on people who steal from those online websites they have nowadays, snitching on parents who have 'free' childcare in the form of grandparents or other family members, and snitching on people flirting at a Christmas fair.

Hello, driving on drugs feels better when they're prescription. All I know, the world looks beautiful, the world looks so damn beautiful. I feel fantastic, and I never felt as good as how I do right now, except for maybe when I think about I felt that day, when I felt the way that I do right now, right now. I feel fantastic, and I never felt as good as how I do right now, except for maybe when I think about I felt that day. Hello.

Hello. Welcome to You Are Being Unreasonable. a podcast about people being unreasonable on mumsnet.com. Yep. We look into all things unreasonable, the reason for the season. The unreasonable for the season. Nice. Didn't really work.

That should be our tagline for December. Quite a long way into that now. Never mind. They don't really have a tagline. No. A podcast about people being unreasonable on the internet is kind of a tagline. Yeah, I mean, this is all by the by, isn't it? Should we do a speed round?

Yeah, sure. Am I being unreasonable to think it will never be good enough No, nothing's ever good enough Am I being unreasonable to ask if you hate bras as much as me Yeah, I don't mind bras, I think they're great Am I being unreasonable to want to cancel Christmas A little bit That does make you sound like the villain in a Hallmark movie

Am I being unreasonable, Yankee Candles, favourite scent Ooh, vanilla Am I being unreasonable How do you get an X to move out? out. That should be fairly self-explanatory. That should just happen. Yeah, if the ex is refusing to go,

then I think you've got bigger problems than Am I Being Unreasonable can help you with. Yeah, maybe find a professional to help deal with that. Not a hitman. I was going to say, like, Leon the professional. Yeah, not a hitman. I mean, like, the police. Speaking of the police, we can move on to the big threads from this week.

I found a lot of people who are needlessly busy bodying and also people who think the police are going to be interested in stuff that they really aren't. That's the theme for the week. The theme for the week is keep your sticky beak out, the police don't care. There's a tagline. Am I being unreasonable? Dilemma at D.P.'s work with medication. Posting here for traffic.

Here's the dilemma. My D.P saw someone at work, call him Bob, give him someone else, call her Anna, some medication that have been prescribed. for Bob. He then said they weren't really antidepressants but they helped and to take them out of the box because the box had his Bob's name on it. Now DP is troubled. No one of these three is anyone else's superior. There's no HR department to tell. D.P. has emailed Boss and bosses said don't worry, Anna's fine, you're overthinking. If Anna is depressed and takes inappropriate medication, it could make her feel worse and she could presumably be at risk of harming herself or someone else, in which case, Bob's in the shit too, right? But given boss is saying

do nothing, nothing to see here, should D.P. just butt out, having done all that he can do? What would you do? I don't know any of these people. I'm just trying to help D.P., who's obviously been disturbed by what he saw. Which was in the open, by the way, at the start of a meeting, not some dark corner. I'm very confused by these Byzantine Game of Thrones machinations. So the boss has antidepressants. No, no one is anyone's superior. That comes up. It's anarchy. Silly me. They have a flat... Pure anarchy. They have a flat structure like that anarchist games collective. Yeah. Yeah. And within that flat structure, Bob has some medicine. Bob has medicine. And Anna has no medicine. Right. So Bob says to Anna, take some of my

medicine, but take it out of the box because the box says Bob and you are Anna. So he's just given her some prescription medicine basically. And then the DP has seen it and he's been like, ah, it's a pure anarchist system. I don't know who to tell. I need to tell. I need to knock. Who can I knock to? Then it transpires that there is a boss somewhere. So he goes and tells this boss. I thought the anti-neuressants were swapped to fool someone. No. I thought they'd given them like a placid sugar pill and put them in. in a box that says antidepressants to fool someone. I've made this a lot more complicated than it needs to be.

You've added a whole new element of intrigue. Yeah, that's why I thought there were machinations. I don't think there are. You don't think there's any machinations? No, I think it's just some depressed anarchists. And I think this is probably saying like, oh, they're not antidepressants. So it's not like an antidepressant, but it's something that will have the right effect. So it's, I don't know, a beta blocker or something.

Right. Something that will help you, but it's not quite what you need. I don't know. That's what I'm imagining. D.P. is troubled. D.P. finds a boss somewhere, so he goes to the highest court in the land, and he says, Bob gave Anna some medicine, and the boss says, no one cares. No one cares. Just stay out of it. I'm sure it's all fine. Anna's fine. Bob's fine.

You seem like a sniveling rat. Yeah, this is just someone giving someone some medication to try and help them. Yeah. And this person's just snitching on them, because. they can I don't know well no then the OPE says

if Anna's depressed and takes inappropriate medication it could make her feel worse and she could presumably be at risk of harming herself or someone else in which case Bob's in the shit too right so that's good that feeds into some harmful stereotypes about people who are suffering with their mental health

like oh no Anna's taking the wrong medicine and now she's gone the killing spree it's all Bob's fault and also Anna's fault and also my D.P.'s fault. Bob! Yeah. I mean... If D.P. saw it and did nothing.

When good men do nothing, then, you know, people go and kill him to bees. It feeds into all the worst stereotype. It's like, I don't think she's likely to harm someone else because Bob gave her what I am assuming to be a beta blocker. And saying that's why you care

is just looking for excuses for marrying a terrible, sniveling rat of a busy body man. But you probably thought that was an attractive quality because you're probably just as bad, because you, for some reason, started a mom's net thread about it. Yeah, why is this a thing? I think if I saw this at work, I wouldn't even tell you when you said,

how was your day? It wouldn't even come up, because this is the most minor. I would tell you that I went to Taco Bell for lunch over telling you about this. So, I mean, as an aside, I've spent months now wrangling with doctors saying, I think there is something wrong with me. I am in pain very often. And the doctors say, who'd have a womb, eh?

And very often those doctors are men. And then they just prescribe me pain killers and send me on my merry way. Like, I don't feel those prescriptions because those prescriptions are really expensive and I really don't need that much co-codamol, thank you. But if I did, and then someone was in severe pain and I was like, I've got some co-codomol,

I hope that no one would be starting a mum's threat about me. Pinting at you and screaming. Like in that film with the pod, people. someone that worked the other day said oh has anyone got any pain care that was about three of us were like yeah but their prescription so sauce and really I think we're all just thinking the unit price for these for us is so much higher

than if you find someone who's just got some shot bought ibuprofen but no one was worrying about this is a complete aside but I just think who cares it's between the person who got the prescription and the person who's taking this thing from them I don't know why your husband got involved I also love that the final paragraph of this says I don't know any of these people

it almost implies she doesn't know her DP just like any of these people I'm more interested in the company with the flat structure and no HR department me too sounds great well you'd think but at least two of them are depressed and one's a snitch

yeah isn't that all workplaces you're either depressed or you're a snitch that's capitalism for you and apparently it's the same even in this system which one are you take our quiz I'm depressed Does that mean that if you've called depressed

I have to be the snitch No not at all Oh okay Because we don't work together Good Apart from doing this Which is a labour of love It is

And creativity However I will snitch on you If you ever do any podcast wrongs I don't know who I'm going to snitch to But I will You're going to call Jesse Fawn And tell him that I keep talking over you And interrupt it you

Yeah and Jesse Thorne will say I always knew that guy was a dip because Jesse Thorne once called Simon a dip it was very good That's why we do this podcast So I can get bigger than him And call him a dip

Well like when he dropped JVN On Getting Curious and he was like That can't be a max fun show No one wants it anymore And then look at getting curious now Right let's hear from the thread If Bob wants to give Anna His medication and Anna wants to take it

There's not much you can do They're all grown adults It may have a detrimental effect it may have a position placebo effect. Maybe DP should suggest to Anna that she goes to her GP and asks to be prescribed some. Then the GP can deal with the situation. That's what I've thought about the placebo effect,

but it's not going to have that if Anna knows that it's not, you know, antidepressants. Yeah. Also, I really wouldn't appreciate it if someone had been eavesdropping on my little chat with Bob and then he came sidling over, like, perhaps you should see the GP and they could deal with this and prescribe you some of your own medicine.

Is that all right? Actually, the proper route for this is to go to your GP and have it prescribed. There's every possibility that Bob and Anna have both presented at their GPs with exactly the same symptoms. And Anna, being a woman, has been told that it's normal, she should suck it up. And Bob has been given a sweet prescription. Yeah. And Bob understands his structural privilege, which is why he's given Anna some medicine. And DP does not enough.

I've swapped medicine loads of times as no one else's business. They're grown up seriously, none of your business. Yeah, stop snitching. Someone said, what a meddler? What's even his interest? Let them crack on. Unless they're doing some sort of heroin drug deal. Ah, the heroin drug. I've got a splitting headache. Do you have any paracetamol? I've got some heroin drug. It'll really take your mind off the headache. Yeah, I got a little box of heroin. A little box of heroin. You want one? And then just one more from the thread. I see where you and your DP are coming from. Is there

anyone else at work that you could inform about it, given the boss has such a nonchalant attitude? If not, would the police take an interest? Is it illegal to give out prescription drugs? If so, I might be tempted to at least log it with them. Maybe an email to Bob detailing all the reasons it was so wrong. CC the boss. Yeah, that's going to make you real popular. You can't just log stuff with the police. Why do people think the police have just got a log of every busybody's concerns? Yeah, for your interest. I saw someone give some drugs to someone else. Was money exchanged?

No. Right. And there were prescription drugs, just to clear that up. Right. And it was in an office, not in a dark corner. And then someone actually has pointed out that for all this woman knows, it could be something over the counter. I mean, it says it's got his name on it, but whatever.

It might be St John's War or something. We really don't know. It's none of our damned business. It's not. None of this is any of our business. None of it is any of anyone's business, except for Bob and Anna. Yeah. And like I say, I've now come to realise that Bob and Anna have probably both presented

with exactly the same thing, and Bob is writing a structural wrong, and Bob is the hero of this piece. We need more men like Bob. Yeah, Bob is the ally that we need. We need fewer men in general, but the men we do have should be like Bob. Be like Bob. This is Bob. Bob gives prescription drugs to his female colleagues because they can't get them prescribed. Be like Bob.

Am I being unreasonable? Sister-in-law stole 65 pounds from online website. One of those online websites you get nowadays. One of those online websites like the person in the other episode who was expected to purchase and buy a jumper. Perhaps you could have purchased and bought it from an online website. I'm being unreasonable, sister-in-law stole 65 pounds from online website. Don't know if I'm being uptight, but I'm really annoyed by this.

My sister-in-law ordered some high-end beauty products costing 60 pounds plus delivery. She left them on the tube after collecting them from the pickup points. She then emailed the company to say they had not been delivered and asked them to resend and free deliver for the inconvenience, which they did. She put pics on Instagram bragging about it and pleased with her new babies arriving. I find it really immoral. Have you got any thoughts on this? I'm on the OPE's side. I don't think that's cool.

I don't think it's cool, but I don't know that I would be that. head up about it. I think if someone told me that as like a bragging story, I'd be like, alright. I'd be like, why are you bragging about that on Instagram? You just seem like a dick now. And I think the sister-in-law sounds like a dick. The sister-in-law does sound like a dick, but I think the OPEC cares to the extent that she now sounds like a dick too. It seems like a situation where someone's done a bad thing that has no effect on your life at all. And you could say to the sister-in-law, like that wasn't really cool, was it? But you don't need to start a thread. Yeah, I suppose it depends on the

retailer. I'm thinking of like a small Etsy shop. Oh, I'm absolutely not. High-end makeup. They're ordering from like glossier or somewhere. Yeah, which is a little more justified because, you know, smashed capitalism. But I'm thinking of an Etsy shop because I had the experience of ordering something for Hells's birthday that didn't come. And I just contacted them and said, like, this hasn't come. And they just sent me out a new one. Like, no problem. Didn't have to pay any more. And they were really good about it. But if I'd scam them, and I could have easily got two items for the price of one. I think it's more likely to be like glossier or benefit or something,

something where there's a massive markup and they're a big business. And I'm not saying I agree with a sister-in-law. I don't agree with the sister-in-law. I just think that to get as far as posting a thread about it to be like, everyone, look at me with my outstanding moral compass. No, and also an online website is a ridiculous tortology. I want to buy something from an offline website, by which I mean the betterware catalogue.

Anyway, I think we got caught up with the ins and outs of the OP and the reason I'd selected this thread is actually the comments on the thread are excellent examples of people getting far too invested in demonstrating their own morality. She's a thief, we all end up paying for theft by other people one way or another. I mean, yeah, again, I agree, but I'm not posting on the internet.

Yeah, I'm doing a podcast about it. You could screenshot her Instagram bragging, and report it to the company anonymously. Why? Yeah, this is all just excuses for being a snitch. Yeah, it's just people love to be snitches. Don't start advising strangers on how to get their sister-in-law arrested for theft because you're worried that she's pushed the prices up.

Well, I think you should tell the person that they've done a shitty thing, but that should be the extent of it. That comes back to what we say about every thread on mums there ever then in that case, which is just... Just talk about it. Yeah, why don't you just have a conversation? Yeah, just say, I think you did the wrong thing there. Even on Mumsnet would always do that through social media, she'd do it on Instagram,

whereas what you need to do is just do it privately and just be like, that wasn't on, was it? Yeah, that's not cool. No. Am I being unreasonable to think free family slash grandparent childcare should be banned? This is a topic I keep seeing pop up, and I can see both sides, so wanted to throw it up for discussion. Reasons I agree. It's a huge and unfair financial advantage to those of us who have unpaid slash free childcare over those who don't. It's basically luck of the draw over whether you get to avoid £700 to £900 full-time nursery fees per child.

In every other area of life, it seems society is making it less acceptable to discriminate due to family financial status. Uny funding, blind interviews, but unpaid internships and free childcare are two big remaining issues. It takes away jobs and is detrimental to the economy. If all children currently being looked after by family were in nursery, more money would be spent, contributing to the economy, and more staff would be needed, creating jobs. But equally, as someone who does have free grandparent childcare lined up, of course I want to save huge amounts of cash, and I trust my parents implicitly. No one would care for my kids better. Why should I give my children to strangers, even professionally trained ones, or fork out money I don't

need to? The topic of childcare came up at work the other day, and there was a definite, bloody all right for some attitude from those colleagues paying for childcare, it seems to be a subject that divides people very strongly. Yeah, I'll say, why don't we follow this logic through? Because this one makes me furious. There we go. Why don't we follow this through? We should ban free childcare from families because it takes away jobs from people who could otherwise be paid to look after the children. Yes. What about the periods when you're looking after the children and not getting paid for it? By that logic, children should be handed over to the state. No, corporations, 24-7, which we pay to raise the children,

because it creates jobs, it contributes to the economy, and it doesn't mean that labour is being done for free. God forbid, heaven forbid. Yeah, let's just pay corporations to look after our children all the time, from birth onwards. Because that's the logical endpoint of your discussion. If no one should be doing anything for free, then, yeah, we'll pay Coca-Cola to raise the kids.

I like who got your kids oh I sold mine to McDonald's not sold because you don't get the money you're paying for it yeah oh I'm paying McDonald's to raise my children oh that's good I'm paying Jacobs the ones who make the crackers oh that's local I'll pay it British baby farms for British babies yeah support your local British baby farms I don't understand how this person's managed to tie it together to blind interviews at uni and unpaid internships Well it reminds me of there was that Fred we talked about about giving jobs to children that you know Like giving odd jobs like summer jobs Yeah

To kids that you know and how it's unfair because it doesn't operate within a market context Yeah So Fuck that noise I mean it is unfortunate that some people will have people available to look after their kids and others won't that is unfortunate and obviously there is a huge advantage there but that doesn't feel like it comes with the same historical and structural stuff

as lots of the other unfair advantages that people get so like if you live near I don't know let's say you live near your parents your parents are retired you have a baby and your parents through the goodness of their heart are happy to look after said child while you go back to work that's a set of very fortunate circumstances it's not the same as a set of very fortunate circumstances where your family own half of some county because they raped and pillaged people

thousands of years ago and a bloody well kept it in the family. That's a very different set of circumstances. Yeah. And I don't know, I feel like comparing, having some family who are about who can look after your kid to all of these other structural inequalities

is really just some white feminist bullshit. Yeah. I don't know. Are you really so blinkered by capitalism that you would rather, you would rather everyone pay a company to let go of their kids than for any semblance of community

to come together to raise children. What they also seem to be saying here is if you can't have someone else look after your child for free and everyone has to put their kids in nursery, that will create jobs. That will create the lowest paid jobs though because everyone who's working will have no option but to put their kids in these childcare facilities.

And so they'll set that so that those are staff by people being paid less than the minimum wage probably so that minimum wage workers can still afford to send their kids there. So all you're really doing is creating an underclass which almost certainly would end up being women and it would be women who were from less privileged positions you're creating a situation whereby they are being exploited

in the name of productivity which is actually just the situation we've got already but you're saying let's grow it and ship the babies off there Yeah let's use our babies to grow the economy that's what babies are for that's why you have a baby to keep the capitalist economy running to keep the cogs are churning

That would be such... Turn them into a productive member of society Such a great new baby card I'm going to make a line of new baby cards that are all about the economic benefits of having a baby Congratulations, you've made another cog in the machine I won't be looking after it I won't be babysitting it, not for free

I want some scratch No, but that makes it sound like you're doing it for selfish reasons But you can't make it sound selfish No, I'm doing it as a job creation scheme Exactly. For me. I'd love to take care of your baby, but what you are doing is destroying our country. The very fabric of the economy is at stake, so no.

And yeah, I think the OP says, what about stay-at-home parents? Someone says, what about stay-at-home parents? That's a good point. So if you're like, no, no, I don't want to send my kid to the baby farm. And I wouldn't have a job that would make it worth me doing this anyway, and also the baby farm sounds horrible. I think I'm just going to stay at home with my baby. What happens then? do they come and take you away and force you to work at the baby farm?

They're like, if you want to hang out with your baby so much, you can go and be a Coca-Cola baby care worker, and your baby can be in the Coca-Cola baby care scheme. Yeah, you can get paid. But also you have to pay your employer. That's just slavery, where you have to pay your employer back for the opportunity to work to look after your baby at the Coca-Cola baby farm. I love this thread. It's baffling.

It's an even worse take than that woman who wanted kids to have four hours of allocated annual leave. from school each year because of the economy. Yeah. Kids should not be part of the capital... None of us should be part of the capitalist economy, but least of all the kids. She's come back. It doesn't take a village to raise a child. It takes a corporation.

That's another... I'm going to start a line of new baby cards for horrible civics. The OP says, I mean, if you're a stay-at-home parent, you're sacrificing one salary, so no, I don't think parent care could be included. I don't know. It just seems that two families could both be on minimum wage and both be struggling, but one better off than the other,

purely because they have a family member able to provide free childcare. It's just the kinds of wealthy parents have advantages in careers and home by it. It seems like they're so close to a revelation about look paying an impact in how well off you are. They're so close to a revelation about it. But then they're wrong with it in a really bizarre way that's taking them further. Yeah, they're not getting a. over that line that says, wait a minute, maybe the rich don't deserve to be rich. They're not making that connection.

And someone said about her point, oh, if you're a stay-at-home parent, you're sacrificing one salary. Not necessarily one parent may never have worked. So, yeah, then, oh, this is just, it's beyond me. I'm not sure how much humor we've derived from this thread. Yeah, we're just mad. I don't know. I just think there's so much other stuff that comes down to luck, but to single this one out,

it's absolutely beyond me. Like, if you've got a kid who's disabled, that ends up costing a fortune, and it means that as a family you're going to have to put more time into caring, and that child's quality of life is probably going to be different to other kids around them. And, like, that's all really sad, but she's not saying ban disabled kids, which is good. But I feel like there is something in the line of argument where those things are comparable, and it's a very slippery slope where next thing, you know, she's back next week, like, guys, I've got it all sorted. eugenics. We all do a bit of eugenics and the economy is better for it. It just feels like there's a lot of a lot of wiggle room for this to turn into something far more hateful. Yeah, the consequences of a lot of this logic are not good. No. Because it's capitalist logic. She's responded to someone saying, please read the full thread if you're going to start making points. Making your points. Look at us,

making our points on a podcast. You know, I could be, I could be doing contract work. I could be doing contract development right now instead of making a podcast. So I think everyone should have to make a podcast. That's true. So that I don't lose out. I chose to work in a sector where I will never get paid the same for an equivalent job at an equivalent level with an equivalent skill set as if I worked at a corporation. Yeah, me too. And, um, and I've come to realize that I really love money. So I think everyone who works at Deutsche Bank should have to take a charity salary. Because otherwise, it's not fair.

It's infringing my rights to have the nicest life possible. Yeah. All of these things are just good, fair, logical responses. Just making a level playing field. Should we move on? Are there any games that don't have a level playing field? Yeah, society. That's not a game.

I mean actual games. Water polo? Because it's got a shallow end and a defense. I don't think they play water polo in life. standard swimming pool where one end is only two foot six deep and the other end is six foot deep. I think you always need a level playing field. Skiing.

I was going to say pinball. Pinball is a jaunty angle. Yeah. Skiing. Pinball. Ski jumping. Yeah, okay. Slalom.

Toboggining. Bob sleigh. Lots of winter sports. Got a lot of theme here. Am I being unreasonable to complain about a teacher and parent flirting? Long time lurker but first time poster. This may seem very petty. Last night, it was the school Christmas fair.

I have two children that attend the very small village school. Teachers know you by name, and it's not uncommon to bump into them locally. Helping out at the Christmas fair were two male teachers, both early 20s. At the end of the night, the teachers did the raffle. A mum will call her B, shouted out to a teacher, Mr. A. Make sure you call my numbers out. A few tickets later, and B wins. She gets up to get her prize

And the way B and Mr. A were looking at each other Was uncomfortable A few of us on my table commented on it It was that obvious A few more tickets drawn and B wins again To which Mr A says Well they'll really be talking now Q more staring and flirting

When B gets her prize She then wins a final time And at this stage all eyes are on them both There are around 15 prizes And B won three of them All tickets picked by a teacher who seems to be flirting with her. Just to clarify, I'm certainly not jealous.

I am happily married, but a few of us voiced how inappropriate their behaviour was last night. Am I being unreasonable to raise my concerns with the head on Monday? Mr. A will be teaching my DD next year, along with B's DED. I feel he will be given B's DEDD preferential treatment. Can we call them Bob and Anna like the other ones? That's too confusing. Bob and Anna are colleagues and they're depressed.

They're going to jail by the sound of him. Well, we can have different Bob and Anna, Bob and Anna who are, you know, swapping drugs and Bob and Anna who are flirting. Okay, so we've got Bob and Anna. So Miss Bob is flirting with Mr Anna, and Mr Anna is, you know, drawing tickets. No, you've blown this, sorry, I can't follow it, is Miss Bob. Well, that's how they refer to them. A mum will call her B, Bob. No, and that goes by changing your names. Oh. I can't follow this. I thought that Bob was going to be the teacher and Anna was going to be the mum.

No. I just wanted to follow their name in convention. No. How about Bobbett and Andrew? Okay. So Bobbett is the... So Bobbett is the mum. Yeah.

And Bobbett goes to the draw, and Andrew keeps bringing out her ticket. But not really, because it's only three times out of 15. Yeah. And then, they're flirting and whatever. And Andrew's giving the eyes to Bobbett. I wish I hadn't said Bobet. It's a ridiculous sound. Staring and flirting.

Yeah. Is she suggesting that Andrew pulled out these tickets somehow deliberately? Like he had a special compartment in the bag of all the tickets that were like marked Bobette. And he was pulling those out to try and increase his chances of getting with her. Because if so, what does she think this woman's life? She thinks this woman's going to get together with a man for a few raffle prizes at a school Christmas fame. Like, oh, I've got this six-year-old bottle of Echo Fools that won't open because it's rusted shut. I've got a box of black magic from the pound shop.

And I've got a really big bubble bath, but not like a fancy one, just like a really industrial-sized one from Sainsbury's. So I suppose I better get together with this man now. I mean, how could I resist? He's cheated the raffles, so that I get all of these delightful gifts. The only obvious solution is to have sex with him. Next prize, some prescription drugs. I know that you're doing a callback, but it sounds like he's a rapist.

Like, if the three prizes that she got were like some hypnosis and booze, and I don't know, like, chloroformy rag, like, this is a very different thread to what I thought it was. Yes, that's not what I was suggesting. Okay. You were doing a callback. Not the raffle of date rape. No. Good. No.

Yeah. But this, that's not what happened. And it was just flirting. And so, who cares? again stop snitching this isn't any of you're concerned everyone everyone is a snitch this week what are you're going to snitch you're going to go to the headmaster or headmistress and say I think these two are flirting that seems you're actually suggesting what are they going to say it does like am I being unreasonable to complain if this is what you mean by complain if you mean

have a whinge on mum's net fair enough I'm sure there are some kindred spirits who will agree that well it comes comes down to the preferential treatment that she mentions in the last paragraph and by the other poster's logic, therefore the teacher should flirt with all the mums Andrew should be flirting with Bobbett and everyone else. That would just raise morale though

wouldn't it? Yeah. Everyone should be flirting with everyone. It's always nice to feel pretty. So no one gets an advantage. Yeah. They shouldn't be flirting with the kids, that'd be bad, but just all the parents. And also all the parents should win three raffle prizes, otherwise it's not fair. Yeah, you should just get a raffle prize for

appearing. We're staying until everyone's name is drawn out. That's a hostage situation. Three hours later. Jeanette, you've already had a prize, so we're going to have to keep going to bring everyone up to the level of your prize. We need to keep going until everyone's had an equal number of prizes. It's random, so this could take years.

Some of you may have bought more tickets than others. if you have won a prize for every ticket that you bought and you're aware of someone who bought fewer tickets than you, we will need to go back to the start and do a redistribution of prizes based on this. I need a spreadsheet. You need to write an algorithm to work this out. If you have only bought one ticket and you have won one prize,

we will open the doors for five minutes to allow you to leave. If you do not leave in that period, you will be expected to buy more tickets so that you are able to reach the same level as those who have several prizes. Have we made this clear? Meanwhile, Andrew and Bobbett are just flirting in a corner somewhere. No.

Seemly just looking at each other. They weren't even doing it in a dark corner. They were just doing it on the stage. Doing it? I mean, I would complain about that. I'm not a prude, but I don't think that's appropriate. There's a lot of extraneous detail, isn't there? The teachers know you by name, and it's not uncommon to bump into them locally.

It's a tiny town. You can't be good to people. for flirting. No. They're not going to meet people, you know, in too many places. Let them have the school. This just sounds like an ITV one Sunday night drama. Yeah.

And also, the flirty banter just sounds like standard banter. It sounds like the first time, she said, oh, mate, make sure you call my numbers out, which is just the thing that a basic, loud, obnoxious woman would say at any raffle. No, the way they were looking at each other was uncomfortable. Yeah, okay. But then the second time, he says, oh, they'll really be talking now. Sounds like he's just having a dig at the table of gossipy bitches.

He's waiting for something to snitch about. Like, oh gosh, here they go again. He's just having a go at them. It doesn't mean anything. And also, again, oh, they'll really be talking now. What, because of the raffle prizes? Where do they live where raffle prizes are currency for affection? Maybe it's an anarchist commune, like the first poster's workplace.

How do raffles fare with anarchism? I think it depends if you've got a... post-economic raffle, because then you wouldn't pay for raffle tickets, they'd just be distributed. Yeah, that's just... And then, why not just distribute the things, the prizes? No, but then, surely, if you've got a system where you get a raffle ticket and then they're just distributed, and then you might win something, that's back to having a situation where it's just pure luck.

Yeah, that's back to capitalism. Exactly. Oh, no! I don't think I ever won something at a raffle that's really brought me any great joy. Once at a raffle, I won a cost of coffee takeaway mug. I'm not even convinced it was new. or clean. Yeah, it was very odd.

Still had coffee in it. I don't know, I wasn't thrilled with it. Maybe you should have flirted with the Rafflemaster. Maybe I should have done. Raffelman. Why do you assume that the Rafflemaster would be a man? His name's Andrew. No, but I was talking about a different raffle.

I wasn't like this raffle. This isn't my reportage on a raffle. So I went to a raffle. No, these two people flirted. Is this a Fred? No. Anyway, who should I report them to? Also, she seems a bit smug.

I'm certainly not jealous. I'm happily married. I can just imagine a table of happily married women in a very small village noticing a single woman dare to speak to a man. Yeah. And then looking for an elder to report this too. So I've got an unusual update on this. I would normally say at this point, oh, shall we hear from the thread? Unfortunately, we can't hear from the thread because there's a message from Mumsner HQ

that says, we know this is am I being unreasonable, but we think quite a few of the responses here just aren't in the spirit. By the time we remove all the posts that break the talk guidelines, there won't be much thread left, so we're taking the whole thing down. Cricky. I'd love to know what people had to say. I mean, I assume everyone was saying, I'll get your sticky beak out of it. I assume they were on the same trajectory as us and started talking about date rape,

and that's not cool on mums that. People on mums that don't seem to care about date rape. People on moms that only seem to care about the spectra of an imaginary penis in a non-gendered changing room. We are all scared of these spectral penises. Spectre is haunting Europe It's just a massive wangue So our

Keywords for this week were Anti-capitalism, snitching and spectral penises With that, we'll do one more speed round, shall we? Am I being unreasonable? Name and shame. Yes. This is an extension of the same snitching.

Some shaming people. Just calm down. leave Bobette alone leave Bobette alone am I being unreasonable not invited to the X must do that's a shame but maybe you've got formed for snitching though yeah maybe you're a snitch am I being unreasonable Chester Zoo is on fire an odd place to read about this but I'm glad I learned that I don't think you're supposed to report it to mums there if you see a fire yeah an odd place to lodge this report with the firing age.

Am I being unreasonable to complain to TripAdvisor about this misogynistic review? Oh. Still sounds like snitching to me though. I guess. Yeah. Yeah. It's just a reviewer on TripAdvisor, I assume. Like, if it was a misogynistic business, yes, complain.

If it's just someone's got on TripAdvisor and they're like, oh, I went to this bar, I didn't think the bar mode was all that. And am I being unreasonable to ask if you look like shit? Oh, my feelings. hurt my feelings Oh no Yeah it is unreasonable And rude

Oh I feel like I should pick another one to end on I'm being unreasonable to wish nursery opened earlier Baby farms have fixed that Yeah so you can get in there and float with Andrew I see you Well on that note Thank you for listening Thanks for listening

There's a special Christmas surprise Coming over the holiday period So keep an eye out for that Yeah do and have a very reasonable Christmas. Have a very reasonable Christmas and a mum's netty new year. A snitch-free New Year.

If you want to go out on New Year's Eve and flirt with a man, I hope no one snitches on you. Let's all hope that. Thanks for listening. Thank you. Bye.