You Are Being Unreasonable - 044 - In which we TRAP A WORK COLLEAGUE IN A CELLAR

Episode Date: May 9, 2019

"Come on, David, leave the bag of syringes here in the playground: we have to go for a drive." It's been 44 episodes but we're finally getting close to understanding the culture of Mumsnet and the site's snitches' charter. Join us as we discuss the unusual prevalence of nautical themes in bathrooms, find ways to bring down capitalism by requesting refunds on the substitutions for our online shopping, play a round of our regular game 'Haughty or Flirty?', we attend a cult wedding with a very normal sister-in-law, and, for some reason, we discuss whether it's unreasonable to TRAP A WORK COLLEAGUE IN A CELLAR WITH CLINICAL WASTE. Listen to the end for details of how to vote for us in the British Podcast Awards and how we're going to bribe listeners to do so with meat.

Hello, driving on drugs feels better when they're prescription. All I know, the world looks beautiful, the world looks so damn beautiful. I feel fantastic and I never felt as good as how I do right now, except maybe when I think about I felt that day when I felt the way that I do right now, right now. I feel fantastic and I never felt as good as how I do right now, except for maybe when I think how I felt Hello, welcome to you are being unreasonable, a podcast about people being unreasonable on mumsnet.com. Yep, we're going to go into the act, Am I Being Unreasonable Board, and find out who's unreasonable, what unreasonable, who's being unreasonable, what unreasonable actions have been taken, and why? Who are taking these actions? What's going on?

Is it unreasonable? How often you just said unreasonable? Unreasonable? Do you do the speed round? Am I being unreasonable, friendly with his X? Ooh, yeah. Am I being unreasonable to ask if you wash before sex? Oh, yes, unreasonable to ask. Am I being unreasonable to think that nautical slash seaside decor is weird when you live inland? Yeah, it's fine, especially in the bathroom.

Be wierer in the hallway. I think it's really weird that it's such a common thing in bathrooms. Like, where did this come from? I get that you have water in bathrooms, but... It's such a frequent occurrence, I find that quite strange. Under the sea makes more sense to me than nautical. I don't think it's unreasonable. People can do whatever they want with their bathrooms.

It's just the frequency with which you see it. Because, you know, when you go into the toilet and you're imagining you're on a boat, rocked by the waves. That's why our bathroom is themed like the Lonely Island. Just dicks in boxes everywhere. Big picture of Andy Sandberg on the... the door. I love Andy Sandberg. I'll be down for a big picture of Andy Sandberg anywhere. Last one for the speed round. Am I being unreasonable? Peanut butter, sweet or savoury?

Peanut butter? What kind of question is this? Yeah, unreasonable. We all know the answer. We all know the answer. We all know what it is. Everyone agrees on the answer. Yeah, if you don't agree, you're weird. Let's do a thread. Am I being unreasonable to always request a refund on my substitutions, brackets, online shopping? I always do click and collect. On the app, it tells me what substitute items I have, and it's really easy to request a refund if I don't like the substitution. I'm now beginning to find more and more reasons to request the refund,

sometimes genuine, sometimes less so. Given I get to keep the items, it's a bit of a moral dilemma. Fair game or immoral? So the issue here is that when you request a refund for a substitution, you get the refund and you get to keep the substituted item, is that right? That's correct. Right. So if I ordered melons and I got toilet paper and request a refund

and I would get the value of the melons and the toilet paper. You would, but in that example, there's no moral ambiguity is there because you clearly asked for melons. I did. And you very much got toilet roll I cannot eat this in my salad So there's no moral ambiguity It's more like

If you really really wanted Taste the Difference Kohl's Law But you got regular brand Kohl Slore Regular ass Kohl Slore You got just normal Kohl Slore It's not basic, it's not bad Kohl Slore No It's just not

It's not taste the difference The Finest Kohl Slore Tesco Finest Kohl Slore If I order from Sainsby's, I got Tesco Finest Coleslaw, and Rudd request a refund. Well, you've got there in some sort of rogue delivery person. Oh, this is

click and collect. Anyway, I feel like in fact, take that example and flip it. So say you just want a normal ass cold slur. Flip it. Reverse it. Missy Elliott special. Is it worth it? Let me work. Refund my substitutions?

No. No, but this does happen. Like, if you ask for a normal, like, run-in-the-mill brand of something and they don't have it, they might substitute it with a better version of it. So I've had it before where I've tried to buy a basics range something and they've sent the normal range whatever because they haven't had the basics one.

Theoretically, you could then ask for your money back and so you haven't paid and you've ended up with a better product. Hmm. So if I want melon slices and they substitute two whole melons, I'm quids in. Yeah. Because I've got a better product, two whole melons. If you thought that was the better product, why did you opt to buy the sliced melon anyway, which would be more expensive?

And easier to handle. I have never known you to want melon. No, this is just an example. Plain hypotheticals here. Okay. So I order two big juicy melons. Yeah, you order two big juicy melons. And instead I get toilet paper.

Yeah, but again... Oh no, that's the example we've dismissed. Yeah, because there's no moral ambiguity. I order two big juicy melons. and I get melon slices. Yeah. This is better for me. But, so is it reasonable for me to request a refund?

Sure. And I say, yeah. Yeah? Yeah. I've got a couple of things I want to point out from the O.P. I'm now beginning to find more and more reasons to request the refund, sometimes genuine, sometimes less so. If she's admitting the reasons aren't genuine and then goes on to say, given that I get to keep the it's a bit of a moral dilemma it sounds like she doesn't think morally what she's

doing is good or right but for some reason she can't stop herself it's her tiny act of rebellion in our humdrum life she got addicted to the thrill yeah the thrill of the law breaking she's finding more and more reasons it's like you know an addict they'll need more and more of something to get the buzz they used to get yeah you start off requesting a refund for toilet paper into the melons and then you're substituting four-pack of sausages for a two-pack of sausages. What supermarket's such a two-pack of sausages? Irrelevant.

Two sausages isn't even a pack. A two-pack. Yeah, the other thing is you can say I don't want any substitutions, which is what I do, because the substitutions are often terrible. Like, the number of times I've requested veggie whatever, and they haven't had it, so they've sent meaty whatever. I'm like, well, that's not the same.

And one time I wanted a pastry case, and they didn't have it, so they sent a multi-back of chocolate buttons. That's up them with your melon and toilet rolls thing. Different. Yeah. We're sorry you can't do some baking. You just eat these buttons. Yeah.

But like I'm a fos pot and I know it, so I say no substitutions because it really drives me wild when I think that I'm going to have all the right ingredients to make something. There was the time when the Astor Delivery guy was standing at the door and we were bringing stuff in and he heard me say to you, No, I wanted spices and they've sent me a job. jar of satay sauce.

And the Astor guy was sad and they're like, I take it you don't want this substitution, then miss. It's like, of course I don't want this substitute. Goodness. So then I stopped asking for substitutions because I was being unreasonable. Yes. And it's easy to just say no.

This woman's admitted more and more reasons, sometimes less than genuine reasons. Yeah, I mean, the person who suffers here is a big corporation, like saying to be the ASTA. And usually I'd be like, who cares? but it sounds like they are lying and cheating. Like, I'm all for sticking it to big corporations,

but that doesn't mean you can just weigh everything as an onion to get it for cheap. Yeah, because they will just pass that onto the consumer so that they continue to make loads and loads and loads of money. Yeah, we're not going to take down capitalism by getting refunds for ill-got and substitutions. No, we're not. Should we hear from the thread?

I didn't realise you could keep them and refund them. Seems a bit cheeky if you're doing it regularly. So you can request a refund on a substituted item and you get the item and a refund, Shady. Yeah, a lot of people are surprised at this, and as was I. Yeah. Is this the case? Like, you can do this, right? The person's not mad.

I don't know. They've just been pocketing the substitution while the person waits to get it back. I thought you had to hand them back. It varies by supermarket. So I think that with some supermarkets, when they charge you for it, they charge you for all the items that are in your shop, and that means if it's a more expensive substitution, they charge you for that,

and they credit back the difference for the thing you asked for as account credit, which is why my Sainsbury's account at one point had like 11 pence credit in it. Well, that's useless. But it sounds like there are supermarkets where this is a thing. I guess it just depends on where you shop. And then last thing, things like this are why prices are creeping up at the supermarket. Imagine if every online shopper did this, Which is sort of what I said

But now I hear someone else saying It's very pearl-clotchy, isn't it? It's very missing the point That the prices creep up Because they can put the prices up if they want And also probably because of Brexit But we'd said You're not going to take down capitalism like this

But this poster has figured out how we do it Every online shopper does it Yes, if we work collectively We work together Soon enough Tesco, Sainsbury's, ASDA, wait-chers All out of business And we have to go to our little mom and pop shops

just like it was and we get our blue passports and we finally start measuring things in Imperial again Oh no No we don't have to measure anything at the supermarket anymore anyway They just put it in packets

So you just know how many of a thing you want And it better be three Because that's what every vegetable comes in a packet of Yeah not a two pack Not a two pack of bananas Not a biggie of bananas Am I being unreasonable To have left in stuck in the cellar

We have a new Star Trek at work Who is a pain in the ass He's shadowing me and constantly disappears and is always off exploring rather than doing what he should be doing. This morning we were in the office and he asked me where he should put clinical waste. I told him we put it in the cellar but we didn't have time now as we had to go out of office. He said he'd be quick. I said no because it takes ages to get down there. He'd need codes for the lift down and two different doors.

He grabbed a pen and paper and asked me for the codes. Getting frustrated I wrote down the codes and told him to be. really quick and off he goes. Fifteen minutes later, he's still not back, so I checked the time and decide if he isn't back by half-pass, I'd go without him. Half-pass came, so I packed up and headed to my car. I just set off when I got a frantic phone call saying he was stuck in one of the rooms in the cellar. I told him to repeat the code he had, and it was right, so I said he'd just have to keep trying. I drove off. Five minutes later, he started ringing again. I ignored it. All in all, four missed calls. I rang him back and he admitted he was in a

different room and that's why the code wasn't working. I told him I'd be back at lunch. It was 9.45 at the time. He started getting irate saying it stunk down there. It was freezing, pitch black and the wind was hammering on the fire doors. I left him until 11. Am I being unreasonable as he got stuck because he went where he wasn't supposed to go? Wow. Fritzel over her putting people in the cellar. There are so many bits to this. This is like the absolute pinnacle of mum's net madness. There are so many little bits to this where I just have questions. Yes, this is very bad. This is very, very bad. What do you think is so bad? Like, talk me through your things and then I'll go through my things and we'll see...

What do I think is bad about leaving a knee-starter trapped in a cellar? I'm a little explorer. I'm a a little explorer. I'm a little explorer. I'm a little explorer. I'm a little explorer. I'm a little explorer. little backpack, his little haircut, I'm just going to find out where the photocopiers are. Half an hour later comes back. This is my kind of shirker. There was a sound at work the other day. It was banging, and I went to try and find where it was. And it was obviously coming from upstairs, but someone in the office said, it sounds like it's coming from the basement. It didn't. So I went down to the basement just to have a walk, really. And there wasn't anything there, just found the old haunted gymnasium below the university.

Ooh. Yeah, it's spooky as shit down there. That sounds great. Isn't it a haunted, not haunted, but a basement abandoned gymnasium in Orange is the New Black in the last series that was worth watching? Yeah, yeah. That's good, so if there's ever a police riot, a prison riot, sorry. Yeah, but if I managed to close the gymnasium doors and managed to get signal in the basement, I called one of my colleagues. I hope they would come and find me rather than leave me locked in the haunted gym Can I go through the things about this post that I think are incredible?

He's shadowing me and constantly disappears. Okay, well, that's a pity for you, but he asked where he should put clinical waste and she said there wasn't time. What was her plan? Did she propose that they leave the clinical waste just strewn in the office? I think he had the right idea.

I think when there is clinical waste... Oh yeah, you'd get rid of it. You take it to wherever it belongs. Especially if you're going out in your car, which it sounded like she was doing. Yeah. Because she left before 9.45 and wouldn't be back until lunch. So, yeah, get rid of the bag of fingers.

Take it down to the cellar. Yeah. I think, if anything, she's the one with the problem here. No, I'm good on him. I'm glad that he prioritised moving the clinical weights rather than being busy and important and going off sight. The way that she speaks to him, I said no, blah, blah, blah. I said no, no, no.

Like, he's not a child. And if he is a child, then why is a child more able to understand what's due with clinical waste than this grown-up? Like 15 minutes later, he's not back. At that point, why didn't she phone him and say, where are you? Rather than being like, well, I'll just have to go without him, I suppose. I want to know where they were going that was so bloody important that she was going to leave clinical waste strewn everywhere and was happy to lock a colleague in a basement. Where were they going?

Not just a colleague, the colleague who is shadowing her, who she has responsibility. Yes. Then she tries to make out that he's some sort of errant child. He's in the wrong bit and that's how, somehow it's all he's fault. But then there's another thing. It stunk down there. Well, yeah, because it's full of clinical waste. It was freezing. It's a basement. Pitch black. It's a basement. The wind was hammering on the fire doors. So how was he stuck? No, if there was a fire door, surely he can get out. But if it's a fire door that for some reason has been locked, he needs to report this employer because that is seriously, Jamie. dangerous. You see, we put this employer anyway, locking him in the basement. Yeah, locking him in the basement is terrible, but if he's locked in the basement and the fire doors are locked, he could have died in there, and it would have been because this woman was so desperate to go to her off-site meeting to prove how busy and important she was.

No one's too important to put clinical waste where it belongs and not leave a colleague locked in a basement. And then, am I being unreasonable as he got stuck because he went where he wasn't supposed to go? Well, he got lost, and you gave him the code? It seems like there's codes for every door, like in some kind of video game dungeon. Like the crystal maze. So he must have put in the codes to get into that room.

If he really wasn't supposed to go there, why did she give him the codes at all? Why is she taking absolutely no responsibility for the fact that she left a human being locked in a basement with clinical waste that she shucked all responsibility for so that she could go for a little drive? puts the lotion on its skin or else it gets a hose again. First comment on the thread, sorry, but it serves him right.

How? No, it doesn't. I'm so glad that I don't work with any of these people. The people on Mumsnet are just the worst. Like, there's this, there's the fact that on MomsNet, they're always trying to get each other fired, aren't they? Constantly trying to get each other fired.

Do you think this is the same person who was managing the guy with the email signature that said that he had a master's, and she was like, things have been going very badly anyway. Imagine this guy's probation meeting. Well, two weeks ago, you did get locked in a cellar, so that's a demerit. Always exploring locked in cellars. If he's not doing his job properly, I'd flag it up with your line manager.

He's doing his job properly. He's getting rid of clinical waste. Everyone seems to think that it's taught him a lesson, but she gave him these codes. And she wanted to leave clinical waste lying around. Just like a bag of syringes. Come on, David, leave the bag of syringes here in the playground. We have to go for a drive. But there's children reaching for them.

The drive, David, the drive. He won't be so nosy next time. He wasn't being nosy. He wanted to move clinical waste. I think it's fine to be nosy at your workplace anyway. Oh, my word. Oh, my word. I just, I don't understand why everyone's on the side of the OP.

Why did you give them the codes to go down there? It sounds really unprofessional. Well, no, because it sounds like they have to go down there to put the clinical waste there. Why am I the only person who's picked up on the clinical waste element of this? I work sort of at a hospital. We don't have any clinical waste in our office, but if we did, I'm pretty sure that we'd make sure that we removed it as a matter of priority. I remember the days when you just get told off.

for doing something wrong at work instead of a colleague having to teach you a little lesson and that's why you never go down to the cell oh good someone has come along and said that the person sounds unprofessional and vindictive

and now people are saying yeah what if there's been a fire which is why it's so odd that the fire door's rattling in the wind yeah no what if he was scared of the dark mum's net HQ had to come along and say can we just remind you please not to

troll hunt on the boards it's always better to report posts to us directly Take a look. Going on a troll hunt. We're not scared. I'm going to catch a big one. This is a big one. You're a seller. Yeah, the rules on Mumsnet.

You can't say to someone on a thread, this sounds like bullshit. You have to snitch instead. Oh. You have to snitch. Sounds like a terrible system. Yeah. If you say this sounds like bullshit, then you get deleted. Oh, wow.

And if you snitch, then not a lot happens, I don't think. This explains a lot about the cult. of mum's debt. Does it? Yeah. A system where you're rewarded for snitching rather than engaging with someone that you disagree with in an open and honest fashion. Yeah, pretty much that.

Should we move on to the next thread with that in mind? Yeah. It's been 44 episodes and I'm just now understanding the culture of this internet board. Yeah, you have to snitch. If in doubt, snitch. Am I being unreasonable? Creased item and M&S store assistant. Happy to learn from a mistake, but I just returned an item.

to M&S. The shop assistant asked me if there's anything wrong with it, and I said no, just look different to mannequin. She then said, quite abruptly, you might want to fold it next time, it's creased. I just awkwardly smiled, and she didn't say another word to me, even when I said thank you as I left. I know it's petty, but isn't it pretty hard not to crease certain clothes when you try and then return them? I don't want to risk eyeing something that I'm going to take back. I felt a bit silly, to be honest. Is this the smallest problem anyone's ever had? Yeah. We've got most of the dialogue here, so let's roll play this. Are you being the returner or the shop assistant? I will be the returner, and you can be the returnee. Okay. Okay. Excuse me,

I need to return this blouse. I've got the receipt for the blouse. Is there anything wrong with it? No, just look different to mannequin. You might want to fold it next time. It's Oh, thank you. And seen. Silence there was because she didn't say another word to me. What did she think was going to happen, getting to a big dialogue? Also, she smiled awkwardly, so did she think this one was going to keep building on her offer of its creased with no... Here's how to fold it.

Nothing to bounce off of. Sleeve, sleeve, over, under. Yeah. But if you say, oh, it's creased, and then the person. you're speaking to doesn't respond. Why would you keep speaking? Like, it's creased, big long silence, it's not good that it's creased, big long silence, but still thank you for bringing it back. You shouldn't have creased it. There's nothing to build on there. We don't need to fill every moment with comments. This didn't look like it did on the mannequin, so I'd like to

keep this, but get a refund. Is that okay? substitution for the... For the one that I saw on the mannequin, which looked good. I don't really understand why this woman came to Monset to say, oh, I returned a creased shirt to Marks and Spencers. It's not like the shop assistant was a little rude, but... Like, who cares? Find another hill to die on. I can't believe that you'd be surprised that an MLS shop assistant wasn't a bit haughty with you. They're haughty and MNS.

If I've been to MLS, they've been a bit haughty with me. Yeah. But I think it's because the only things I ever buy from MNS... The M&S are stuff from the food court where it's fine, I just use the self-scan, it's Anton DEC or Amanda Holden. And you rarely returned things from the M&S food court. Yeah, I'm not going to go back and be like, oh, this colourflower popcorn is defective in that the box is empty, all in my tummy. Or I buy underwear from there, and whenever I buy underwear from there, I think, like, contractually they have to tell you. But it always seems a little bit like no shit, Sherlock.

they're always like, once you've taken the labels of this, you can't return it. And I'm like, well, good. Yeah, it's been on my bottom. But, you know, I could at that point be like, well, you're being very rude, because they have got a bit of a tone, but I've worked in shops. It's really boring. People are really annoying, and they're really patronising, and it's everything you can do when you work in a shop,

not to say, oh, just fuck off and don't speak to me. I think the shop assistant sounds rude, but we have only heard from the returner. and like if they just balled up this blouse and put it in a damp paper sack and delivered it like that yeah or just bottled it up and put it in a not even an MNS bag and Morrison's bag handed it over like that

or it's just shoved in a coat pocket just reaching a coat pocket and pull it out like on those magicians handkerchiefs that goes on and on forever yeah I'm not even convinced that she would have been rude maybe she was rude maybe she wasn't we don't know we weren't there the people on the thread are all saying that she was rude

like someone has said she was probably trying to insinuate that you had worn it out and then returned it I don't think she was trying to insinuate that but why to really put the boot in I think she was poor anxious OPE over here is already feeling fragile because the shop assistant said you should have returned it and now this person's come along with no knowledge of the situation about

she probably thought that you'd warn it and then brought it back worn hmm I remember buying a dress from monsoon a few years ago for a wedding. Didn't end up wearing it so I took it back a week later for a refund. The shop assistant took about 10 minutes checking every inch of it, tags, lining and even sniffed it thoroughly before processing my refund. Yeah, that's some real, the incredibly posh shop assistants. We're back. Yeah. I can tell it's been worn by the smell. Monsoon I think do have a bit of a reputation for quite horsey shop assistants. A friend One of my ones phoned me from accessoryised in a real panic

because the accessorized shop assistants had just been so horrible to her and accused her of shoplifting because she'd gone to look at something in a corner. Where they have things on display? Why do you go into a corner if you weren't up to something? It must be that the corporate culture is they tell you you have to behave like that. It can't just be that it's chance that everyone they hire is naturally very haughty. Let's play a quick game of haughty or flirty.

Okay, go. So I'll name a shop and you have to say whether the assistants are going to be haughty or flirty. Oh, I thought you were going to name a behaviour, like thoroughly sniffing an item you return. Horty or flirty? Oh man, that is a better game. It's almost like you have experienced

building interactive game experiences. Anyway, yeah, flirty was the best I could come up with at short notice. So, haughty or not, is a game. No, I like haughty or flirty. Very good. The two types of shop assistant. So, M and S. Horty.

Players accessories. Flirty? It's a shop for children. Doc Martin Flirty Waterstones Flirty I worked at Waterstones

River Island Horty Primark Oh they've just seen the very worst of humanity They've seen the worst Exactly They've seen the worst of humanity

And now they're bringing the sass Because it's all they can do Imagine working at a shop Where people's default reaction To picking something up they don't like It's just to throw it on the floor That's just how Yeah, it's anarchy is there

Yeah, people just go, they go through there like they're a crusade or something. Lucky to find something not crease. Yeah, if you brought something back to Primark and it didn't have any creases in it, that would be a problem because it would show up every other item in the shop. Poor assistant would have to be bawling it up while they would put in the roof on through. Forever 21. Flirty. Top shop.

Flirty. Top man. Flirty? Debenham's. Horty. Yeah, I can see that. I don't know what they've got to be so haughty about. It's an outdated business model.

John Lewis. I feel like staff in John Lewis and Waitrose are always just very nice. They're all just very nice. Nice. Because they've got a stake in the business. Exactly. Yeah, because they care about what they do. I don't know if they care about what they do, but they've got skin in the game.

You've got skin in the game, you stay in the game. Exactly. Okay, now let's list the behaviours. I'll do the behaviours listed in this thread, and you can tell me if they're haughty or flirting. Saying you might want to fold it next time. hearty asking if there's anything wrong with it flirty

silence flirty examining the lining flirty checking tags oh yeah flirty thoroughly sniffing

flirty very good filthy am I being unreasonable DH and DC invited to sister's wedding I'm not DH's sister is getting married

we have a very normal relationship never had a problem between us We aren't friends, but as sister-in-laws go, I'd say we get on well. We've received her wedding invitation today, well, two of them, as D.H and our DC have one for the whole day, and I have a separate one just at the evening. D.H. has obviously rang her and said, what the fuck? To which she replied, they just want proper family and best friends there at the ceremony and meal,

so I'm not proper family now, apparently. I don't know what to say, really. I feel like I've been punched in the stomach. This is just so very mean. would you do that? I'm glad to hear that they have a very normal relationship. Yes. Very normal. We have a very normal relationship. That makes me... Very normal. Facebook friends, wish happy birthday on their birthdays. But look, despite that, it's rude not to be invited to the wedding. I feel like I've read it a lot more into this than you. You're a bit like, yeah, it's rude. Yeah. No. They are proper family.

Exactly. They are proper family. And if this person thinks that marriage does not confer her family status on someone. Why is she getting married? Yeah. If she doesn't think marriage makes any difference to anything, why is she wasting her time? Oh, marriage doesn't make someone family, but it's good to have a wedding

so that you can put people in their place by not inviting them. Is that what she's saying? Like, it's... No, it's a dickhead move. It's a proper dickhead move. You can't have the children there, not the mother.

Exactly. If these children are proper family, then I'm pretty sure the baby mama is proper family now. No matter how very normal your relationship is. You've got to accept that. I guess it depends on what kind of wedding it is. Like maybe it's a cult wedding where it's very important that it's just blood of my blood there.

Yeah, I don't think I've bought my children going to that. Now children, open your palms and cut the blood. This is the blood of our family. There's no one here who is not bound to us by blood. Have they cut their palms so the blood into mingles like when people at school become blood sisters? Yeah, and then the final part, Part of the ceremony is the husband who is, you know, joining the family and is not of their blood

has to jump into the pool of blood that is made to be joined with the blood. So they do all of that and then they get the evening guests in. Then they have a bit of a disco. They'll dance to the YMCA. Yeah, okay. Standard wedding, really. I would almost understand, I mean, I wouldn't, I would still think it was a very, bizarre thing to do but if the kids hadn't been invited and it's like no just the

brother and it turned out it was like a wedding of 10 people at that point maybe I yeah maybe I'd be able to get my head around it yeah inviting the kids and the husband is not cool you imagine how sad it would be if you're like oh my god my kids have been invited to a party that I haven't been and they're tiny like she comes along somewhere later in the threads and someone says how old are your children they're two five and seven That's that painful for one person I was going to say

It makes me question How much the bride likes her brother Yeah You got to bring these three very small children To a wedding alone In terms of childcare responsibility It just makes sense from multiple adults Yeah it does, isn't it?

Yeah Strange, very strange People are very strange these days I'm quite glad that wedding season is back on mum's net Because mum's net wedding season Really does bring out the most bizarre behaviour there's another thread running at the moment and it's far too complex for me to get into

but it's a thread running at the moment where someone wants ten groomsmen all dressed in white but they're not inviting very close relatives like I think the mother of the bride isn't invited but there's going to be ten groomsmen all dressed in white Jesus, it's like a proper king's guard like in Game of Thrones yeah it's all very baffling

all in their white cloaks I mean weddings do seem to bring out the very worst in people especially on mum's net Yeah, it's almost our one-year anniversary, and our wedding was pretty chilled. Yeah, it was. I mean, we didn't have any grooms when dressed in white. We didn't make arbitrary rules about proper family versus not proper family. No, the only thing we stipulated was that everyone had to dress in black.

My Chemical Romance played it. The only thing we stipulated was that the DJs could only play My Chemical Romance, and there could be no repetition. We wanted bootlegs and B-Sy. anything to fill the time. Everyone on the thread is saying go no contact with the sister. Which, that's a real way for your wedding to backfire,

isn't it? Like, you have your wedding. You're like, I only want the closest to close family there. And as a consequence, you end up going completely no contact with some family. Yeah.

Everything is supposed to be bringing families together. Well, that's not the spirit, is it? No. I'm an absolute massacre. it's just the delicious irony of someone having a wedding in which two people are getting married and therefore becoming part of a family and saying that your brother's wife is not family

it's the irony of that like is she stupid or is she mean or does she just really really dislike she didn't the whole thing is just the way for her to let her sister-in-law know how much she bloody hates her and always has done. The whole wedding? Yeah.

The whole relationship. It's all a ruse just to let her sister-in-law know that she is not one of them. One of those mail-ard grooms. Yeah, from where you go in a catalogue and you pick someone to make sure that your sister-in-law knows their place. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, everyone on the thread is just saying,

what the hell, this is terrible, go no contact. It does sound very terrible. It does sound very terrible. I think that she should go to the evening do. I think she should go to the evening do, but turn up like a Disney villain. I too have a gift for the bride. swoop in with a long cloak

Yeah That's what I'd do in this situation I thought you'd seen the last of me That'd be the point when we find out The sister is just a bit dim And she'd be like, no I've invited you this evening I'm really glad you're here

Like oh Oh, you're not bad You're just stupid Oh Yeah I mean They need to turn up to the ceremony That's the best way to stick it to them No you know

Swoop into the ceremony With your big cloak The best way to stick it to them would be just saying just the kids but not the husband. Thanks so much. Really appreciate you giving me the day off. Hubby was a bit jell, so we're just going to leave the kids here. Bye! Should we do one more speed round?

Yes. Am I being unreasonable to never eat salsa again? Wow. Yeah, there's lots of kinds of salsa. Don't let one bad salsa colour your opinion. Am I being unreasonable to be raging My birthday cake was cut? It needs to be cut eventually

No, just put your face in it Hang Am I being unreasonable to have walked off and left DM in the cafe There's just so many codes to get out It was dark, it was cold It was full of clinical waste What a terrible cafe

Am I being unreasonable To ask if it's possible to eat too many apples yes the words too many there are the key the apples have cyanide in them do they? Yeah if you eat apple seeds they're full of cyanide and if you eat enough you die okay and our being unreasonable

Fraser was better than friends no Fraser was better than friends so I pick the threads that we do and Simon kept pointing at the one about Fraser being better than friends because he really wanted me to read it out and I thought he had a whole bit prepared but it was just an opinion. And not even a very controversial one at that. A good take about Frazier. Okay. The British Podcast Awards are now open for voting. So you can vote for us for the

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