You Are Being Unreasonable - 046 - In which we debate the merits of eating hot meals

Episode Date: June 6, 2019

"If Generation X was so anti-capitalist then why does capitalism still exist?" Weighty issues abound this week as we accidentally stumble across some actual anti-capitalism on Mumsnet but it turns out to be a web of bad takes. We learn what the Life in the UK test thinks are important indicators of Britishness and discuss the essence of British weekends. We also discuss whether or not you should tell a complete stranger to leave their partner, whether or not it's normal to not eat hot meals, and Simon reviews the latest films in the genre of 'cello drama'. Tickets are now available for our live show at the Camden Fringe 2019 on Thursday 15th August 2019 from 08:30 pm at the Chapel Playhouse at 308 - 312 Grays Inn Road, London, United Kingdom, WC1X 8DP. Go to https://camdenfringe.com/show.php?acts_id=2401 to book tickets.

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Hello, welcome to you are being unreasonable, a podcast. about people being unreasonable on mumsnet.com. It's a very special tired edition of the podcast this week. We are both very sleepy this week. Lazy Sunday. Real Lazy Sunday. So we're just going to talk into a microphone and then package it as entertainment.

Yeah, but if you choose to listen to that, then, I mean, that's on you. You're enabling us. You are? This is your fault. Maybe you are having your own lazy Sunday. Maybe you're lying on a sofa somewhere. A week from now, listening to this.

Shall we do the speed round? I'm being unreasonable to ask you for the perfect age gap. Between people? Who knows? Yeah. I imagine between children. Oh, that makes more sense.

But I forget this is a board of stent. Children are people? Yes. I forget this is a board ostensibly for parenting. Am I being unreasonable? What is this picture? What is this picture? Is it two witches or is it of ours?

I can't tell. And am I being unreasonable? Am I a fish wife? Yes. Yes, you are. Oh. Oh If you're married to a fishmonger

You might be a fishwife If you come home Smelling of salmon You might be a fish wife You look so pleased with yourself For this bit you're doing Am I being unreasonable Life in the UK these days

Hi all I live abroad And we're considering possibly Coming home Within the next couple of years Just being nosy really And wondering what your general weekends are like What do you do, etc?

How is the UK? UK to live these days? And has anyone returned back there after being abroad? Has anyone returned? Has anyone returned? With our border security so tight nowadays, can anyone even get in? Has anyone returned? Has anyone come back from those distant lands beyond the sea? I can tell them I am someone who has returned. Yeah, you lived abroad for a year. So I can answer the question, what are your weekends like by saying, you need to start a podcast about Mumsnet. Good, solid advice for everyone. back, start a podcast about

mum's net, record it on a Sunday, there you go, weekends, sorted. Bish, bash, bosh. Exactly. Currently, it's only us and that official one. Yeah, yeah, it is. The official one really have ripped off our formula. I listened to the official one the other

day. I've never actually listened to it. Well, I thought I'd give it a go. And genuinely, so they don't read out the entire original post because people were like, this is a safeguarding issue. It was like, it's a fucking public forum. But they do read out most of it,

and then they have a discussion about it. Not a very funny one. But then they do a thing that's called like the celebrity adjudicator, and it's literally the speed round. That was your brainchild idea. Yeah. Man.

We read things out and then make chat not very funny about it. That's our job. Anyway, so that's just one thing that you could do if you do decide to return back. I thought from the title, Life in the UK these days, that this was about the life in the UK.

UK test. Me too. You prove that you can be a British citizen by knowing who Henry the 2nd's wife was. Maybe. That's something they could do with their weekends upon their return. Just for fun? Just for fun. Yeah.

We'll do some life in the UK test stuff. Who is Queen Elizabeth II married to? Prince Charles, Prince Philip, Prince Harriet, Prince William. Prince Philip? Correct. What is not a fundamental principle of British life? Oh. Yeah, we're really into moral quandaries.

It's one of the options going on mum's net and taking the piss. Driving a car. Treating others with fairness. Looking after the environment. Looking after yourself and family. Wow, that is so loaded because I assume you're supposed to say driving a car, but let's be honest. Now let's get, let's not get hung up on treating others with fairness because... Who do we keep electing? Is it the Tories? So we can't be that into fairness.

Don't wing your politics into the life in the UK test. This is unbiased. Looking after the environment. Is that a thing that successive governments have done enough about in enough time, or is it not? I think you have time in the actual test to write this kind of S-LM punter. Looking after yourself and family. I mean, you do have to look after yourself. We've made it very clear as a country that it's every man for himself.

So that's a fundamental principle of British life. You're on your own, no one cares, you have to drive a car, you have to look after the environment. I assume the one that's not is treating others with fairness. So you're saying treating others with fairness. I am. That's wrong. It's actually driving a car. Oh, no.

We'll just do a couple more. When did the first Christian communities appear in Britain? First and second centuries, second and third centuries, third and fourth centuries, or fourth and fifth centuries? Literally, who knows? How is that a reasonable question? Oh my God. Think about how many centuries they've been since. It doesn't matter, does it?

Stop looking back and look forward, you cretins. When did the first buddies keep? communities appear in Britain? See? An equal question. Maybe that's question four. Maybe questions three through nine are about when religions appeared. What's your answer?

I don't know. Is it first and second? It's not. It's third and fourth. Oh. Which two of these are British overseas territories? Ireland. Oh, even as a multiple choice answer.

That's dicey, isn't it? Ireland. St Helena, the Falkland Islands and Hawaii. So it's St Helena and the Falkland Islands, right? It is. So so far, what we've learned from the life in the UK test is they think that the important things to know is who do we own, which religion is the correct and relevant one, and what principles do we lie about being fundamental?

But the most important, the most important question that you need to know right from the outset is who is the queen married to? Who is the queen married to? How many people has he run over this week? It's a very broad post, isn't it? Like, we don't know their family situation, their age, their interests, whereabouts they live now, whereabouts they're planning on moving back to. Yeah, we don't know what their weekends are like now compared to weekends here.

Yeah, like, they might be out setting camera traps in, like, the Arctic right now. Maybe that's what they do. Or they might be, like, lying by the pool with a cocktail in their hand in one of those racist bits of Spain. Like, racist, because it's full of racist British people, not because of the Spanish. banish people. Yeah. We have no idea. Or anything in between.

They haven't given us anywhere near enough information. They're expecting people to just like go in blind and start volunteering over loads of detail about what they do. How is the UK to live these days? Fine. Bit rainy, bit fascist at the moment. Well, it make a huge difference whereabouts you're planning on going as well.

Like... Yeah, some bits are less fascist than others. Exactly. Thanks, Scotland. Thanks Scotland. I mean, should we see what the thread have had to say? Someone said, I wish I could respond, but we're thinking of leaving in a few years. Well, you could still say what you do now.

She's not saying, I want to be friends with all of you who reply. Will you be there? Lots of people saying, like, you haven't given us anywhere near enough information to go off, or what are you talking about? This is like when you don't really want to go to a party, but it might be a good one, and you've got kind of FOMO, so you wait a bit and then text someone you know will be at the party to ask what the party's like, just to scope it out.

Oh, has what's his name come? Because I only want to sit, come if what's his name? Name is a, I don't want to spend a lot of time and effort get into some way. I'm not going to have much fun. The OP has come back. So everyone said, like, you haven't given us enough information. The AP says, just a general curious what your weekends are like. For example, the last time I was in the UK, I was in my 20s,

and Saturdays involved shopping in the centre, hairdressers, ready for a night out clubbing, pub, etc. Sunday, invariably hung over in bed and a roast. Obviously, not into the same things now. have a 10-month-old and a dog and love nature, dog walks, trips away. We live in Portugal, and would either locate back to the north or Cornwall. The north is too broad. But also the north, like what, are you going to go to Sheffield?

Because there's loads of really cool stuff you can do in Sheffield. Or are you going to go to, like, a tiny little village in the lakes, because that would be different again. Or are you going to go to one of those fucking racist seaside towns? Or one of those places that you drive through when you're trying to get somewhere better, and you have to stop and the only thing you can buy is like a weird sandwich that's mostly bread

and a thin layer of cheese. They're all really different places. Are you going to give it all up and join the vibrant gay communities of Manchester? Yeah. And then the next person to reply after they say the North or Cornwall says North Cornwall would be a great place

to bring up a kid. No, the North or Cornwall. So comprehension on Mum's Net remains as low as ever. Central Cornwall, the middle of Cornwall. Nowhere but the centre of Cornwall, the very centre of Cornish culture. I mean, I'm sure that you could go on walks with your dog and go on trips away.

And if going on trips away is what you enjoy, then it doesn't even matter where you're moving to. Am I being unreasonable to tell this man to leave this woman after their cruise? I'm on a week's cruise with my family. Every evening after dinner, we've gone to play games in a certain area of the ship. It's a quietish corner with a selection of board games, etc. Next to this area is some seating, overlooking. the main atrium where there are various singers, musicians, etc. throughout the evening. Each evening I've seen a couple sitting in the same spot. The woman looks absolutely miserable. I've never

once seen her crack a smile or utter more than a couple of words. She sits with her body angled away from her partner slash husband. He tries at intervals to engage her in conversation, show her something on his phone or point something out to her. She either ignores him, gives him a withering look or very occasionally gives a one or two word answer. Would I be unreasonable to tell him there's more to life than this? He's trying so hard and she's giving him nothing back. Yes, I probably have been observing them too closely and yes, I'm a bit over-invested in them, but I'm on a cruise. I have nothing better to do with my time. What a twist. What a twist in the middle of this question. We're actually supposed to sympathise for the husband. Yeah. Who knew? This woman's

Miserable on a cruise, so obviously. This poor woman, this poor woman who's here with this man that she didn't find particularly entertaining. And she's not a cruise, so there's nowhere to go. Yeah, and yet we're supposed to feel bad for the man. Yeah. I had no idea. Me neither.

Baffling. Crazy, twist. M. Night Shyamalan level twist. Like the many twists of that film I watched the other day. So many twists. The perfection? Yeah, the perfection. Bree Simon's film review.

It's nonsense. Don't learn anything about it, just watch it. Don't go in thinking it's a serious cello drama, as I thought, because it's not. It's a cello drama, a genre now. One of those cello dramas. So it's a week's cruise? Yes. Every evening, blah, blah.

So how many days into the cruise are they? If this has happened every evening? Let's say three days. So... Maybe she hasn't been well. Maybe this cruise was some sort of last ditch, she attempt to save a marriage because he's done something shitty. Maybe they thought a cruise would be a nice idea They'd never been on mum before

And they've realised all you can do is sit in an atrium Watch terrible cruise musicians While a family look at you While they play board games And start mum's net threads Well, I was going to say We get along pretty well, right? Yeah, I'd say so

You love me, right? I do. What if I took you on a cruise? How would you look at me? Witheringly. Yes, but when we got back to land Our love would blossom again. Yeah, and you.

Exactly. It wouldn't really go away. You'd just be pissing. stuff at me, because I put you on a cruise ship. Yeah, I'd be like, why have you held me captive on this Norrow boat? Because, like, cruise is an infamous for outbreaks of Norrow.

Yeah, and I talk to you about that David Foster Wallace essay where he goes on a cruise. But really, that chat's going to get old after about an afternoon. Do you think that's what the man keeps trying to show her? He's like, look, here's a bit from the essay, and she's just there like, okay. And he's like, trying to engage her in

conversation, but about David Foster Wallace and the cruise essay. It's a niche audience at best. Yeah. It's one of these better essays, but once you read it, you don't need to go on a cruise. The subtext is the essay is that you should not. Or maybe she read it, and she was like, oh, I read this really interesting essay by David Foster Wallace about cruises. You should read it.

And he couldn't be bothered to read it. So to pretend that he was interested, he booked a cruises now. And it shows that he's lied about reading it. And now they're stuck on a cruise And she's just like, the fuck Yeah, this is awful I'm going to lean away from you now And express my distaste through body language

But yeah, also, like you say, this family's just watching them Maybe that's putting her up Maybe they want a romantic cruise But because it's a cruise, you can't have a moment alone Because you're on a boat With a thousand other people

Yeah, a quietish corner You don't want a holiday where you have to find a quiet-ish corner and go there every single night. No, no, not at all. Oh, dear. We went for our honeymoon in quite a big hotel in a remote mountain region.

Yes. But it was quiet, like... Yeah. Yeah, and you could get away for a little bit to the little village below. Yeah. So we had our quiet corners where we liked to go, but they were quiet because no one was there.

Whereas I imagine on a cruise ship, they pack them to the gills. One of our quiet corners was an infinity pool overlooking the Alps because there just weren't that many people there. Whereas a cruise, if there was a cruise ship, Infinity Pool, you know, there'd be 400 people in there trying to swim around bobbing about like apples in a bowl, right up in each other's space. Let's roll play this conversation then,

this imagined conversation where the man does tell this fellow man to go over and leave his wife. I think that you've taken it that this is a man posting. Probably not, right? So, I come over, you're the man, the husband. The husband with the miserable wife? Yeah. Okay.

Hey, nice cruise, eh? Yeah, it's all right, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I'm having a good time with my loving family. Yeah, I've seen you watching me. Yeah, cool. About that. Why aren't you with them?

They're watching Jurassic Park again. Right, okay. It's on every day in the cruise cinema. All right, yeah. Nice to meet you. And you, listen, your woman's not happy. No, that's true. She has been down.

And you can be happy without her I think maybe you should go and find your family Leave her, leave her, run Get off on the next port Start a new life in Venice I just wonder if you're projecting Because you're not with your family now And every time I see you

You're staring at us And you could be happy There's more to life than this We could be happy together Oh no, you've taken it too far Oh no I think we're going to need to find a new spot A new quietish corner

A new quietish corner So nice to be nice to meet you. And you. Yeah, cheery-bye. And scene. Acting. I liked the bit where you thought that they could run off together. I just thought that would be nice. It would be nice, but you can't run off together. You're on a cruise, there's nowhere to go. You can get off in Venice when the cruise plows into the port there. Plows into another ship. Yeah. Yeah. Another reason that a cruise doesn't seem like a good shout. I mean, you're right.

How would this play out? There's no way this conversation is going to end well. I don't think you should go on a holiday where you can end a sentence with, I have nothing better to do with my time. Exactly. Keep yourself occupied, even if it's taking a book. Yeah. If you say, but I'm on a cruise, I have nothing better to do with my time.

You've chosen to be on a cruise. You don't just find yourself on a cruise. It's not like, oh, I've got nothing better to do with my time because I've got a terrible cold, so I'm stuck at home. So that's why I was binge watching a thing. No, it's not like that. Not like that at all. You've made a conscious decision to go on a cruise, so this is on you.

Yeah. I think the O.P. is projecting. Should we hear from the thread? I think the woman should leave the man, if anything. She just seemed miserable. Maybe it's just a cruise, though. Maybe she's just dour. Some people are just dower.

Yeah, let's see. So everyone on the thread says maybe he did something awful. Oh, I feel sorry for her now. Blah. When someone said maybe he did something awful, the O.P. came back and said, hmm, maybe. I wonder what, though. It's none of your business?

Why would you assume that he didn't? That's a real like, hmm, maybe, hmm. I know people who say, hmm, maybe, in response to things that are perfectly valid. And it always means I can't possibly be right. How dare you suggest that... Blaseless, he's getting paid. Is that some spy shenanigans or a sex work thing?

I'm guessing a sex work thing, but who knows? Bored games and watching the same people every night. It sounds like a riot. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah, and then there's someone saying, like, you know, I've been really depressed and would be like that, so maybe she's really depressed. Yeah, so maybe back up. You don't know what people are going through.

You can't just tell people to leave people, especially on a cruise. Yeah. There was a thread, I think, on MomsNet, but it could have been another forum where the husband had purposely waited until they were on holiday to reveal his affair, so that his wife couldn't just go to her moms or her friends or whatever. He thought it would make her more likely to forgive him. now. Instead, she was obviously furious about the affair and the holiday being ruined. Yeah, that doesn't sound like a good idea. Maybe that's what's happened.

Yeah. So, all in all, yeah. No. This is nonsense. Absolutely nonsense. Am I being unreasonable to think current young adults are heading for a tough midlife crisis? Most generations since we have moved in the West beyond bear survival have had a significant

group of young people questioning the point of focusing on a career, buying more stuff and living an ordinary consumerist life. But this generation seems incredibly conformist. Amongst young adults, the emphasis seems to be on agitating around being able to buy a house rather than questioning capitalism. I suspect when a lot of the current young adults hit midlife, they're going to be hit very hard as they begin to question their life and why they have strived so hard to be consumers.

Am I being unreasonable? Wow, I didn't know. A little, no? I want to know how old this person is. Yeah, I'm just flummoxed by the appearance of an anti-capitalist threat on this forum. This is unprecedented, 46 episodes in. So there was another thread I wanted to do this week, but it's extremely long, and I think it ended up getting pulled because they thought it was someone trolling,

and it was somebody saying, Am I being unreasonable to think that if you have more than three properties, there should be an extra tax that you have to pay? And the first comment said, why three? Why not? If you have more than one, you can only live in one. But then every subsequent comment said Yes, you already do pay tax

It's called council tax Or it's called stamp duty Or I actually contribute more to the economy than you Because I'm better than you because I own a million properties And then mums at HQ had to come along And they were like, we'll be nice And then no one could be nice So everyone was like

Listen you shirker If you haven't got three houses You've got no idea how hard my life is I'm contributing to the economy What are you doing? Goodness me So there are a couple of people on mums net who are like anti-capitalists

but they get shut down and then they get removed where mum's their HQ for being trolls. Which is why this is so surprising. Yeah, it's weird, isn't it? I mean, it's a bad take. Yeah, yeah, this is what surprised me. Because anti-capitalism good, this take, bad. Yeah.

Because what generation are they that think their generation has been questioning capitalism? Baby boomers? No, they must be the one after baby boomers, I reckon. Is that Generation X or Generation Y? X, Y is the same as millennials. Y is millennials and then Z is the new ones who are going to save us all. Yeah, and you can remember that Y is millennials because it's Y millennials, why are you killing

businesses by not buying stuff? So who are we talking about? Millennials or Generation Z? I think this is someone from Generation X talking about Generation Z. Okay, probably. As millennials, we are well placed to talk about this. Well, I'm just guessing that. From our perspective of objectivity and neutrality. From our perspective of, I've literally made a solo show about how capitalism is awful and we live in a rented flat and that doesn't really bother me.

No, I'm only guessing they mean the generation after because of the fact that it's been so well publicised that millennials as a generation are killing all sorts of industries by not buying enough stuff or by buying the wrong stuff. Yeah, but I might be wrong about... I'm taking capitalism one business at a time. But, I mean, if they mean the one after that, that's even worse. because like you say, there's like schools, schools across the world going on strike. It's amazing. Yeah, kids, this young woman, what's her name, Greta Foonberg? Yeah.

Who is agitating for climate disaster, climate emergency. Yeah, he's been all over Europe by train, talking to, like, leaders. Yeah, no, the kids are smashing it. They're doing fine. They really are. And by smashing it, I mean smashing capitalist patriarchy. Yeah. So I don't know where they've got this impression

that everyone just wants to buy a house Well, I do know where they've got this impression They're on Mumsnet Yeah, they're on Mumsnet and it's the people who post on Or maybe they do mean like our generation Because the people who post on Mumsnet who are Sort of my age Are the people who are there like

Oh my God, I'm 29 And I own a house and I have three babies And I had a career before I have my three babies And all my friends are so immature Because all they want to do is protest And talk about feminism and go out to nightclubs and when will they grow up and just realise they're contributing nothing to the economy? Because all the cool people are not on fucking mum's net.

All I did to buy a house was save five pounds a week, not buy lattes, and inherit thousands from my father. Yeah. I'm a very traditional person, and I realised very early on that going to university for something that wasn't going to get me a vocation was simply a waste of time. Therefore, I lived at my parents' house the whole way through my degree and made no friends and had to be. two jobs and studied a STEM subject and now I work for Accenture on their graduate scheme. I am obviously the best. Why won't my friends recognise that I am better than them? Am I being unreasonable? These are the people you get on Mum's Net who are that age. I bought a nice property and I didn't bother going to university for it and now I have a nice,

easy job as the Earl of Cheltenham. Oh you do get the other side of that. You get the like, I pulled myself up by my bootstraps, I never went to university. I don't understand where people want to go and have big fancy careers. I managed to buy a house in Grimsby for £10.50. What? Like, you see them sometimes and they're like, now me and my partner are having our fourth kid, blah, blah, blah. It's like, all right, but like, again, this is not, this is not the norm. You can't say that you've done things normally. Yeah, the conformist people are the ones that you get on mums net. I just don't think it's fair to talk about the kids like this. No, the kids are great. Or millennials, because millennials can't afford to buy houses. We're just the tired

generation, like we said at the start of the podcast. The eldest millennials are 38. And like, so that's why I think it can't be them, because... Yeah. I don't know. If Generation X were so anti-capitalist, why does capitalism still exist? Yeah, exactly. Why are they blaming the kids for the fact that they... I'm sorry buying all those Nirvana t-shirts didn't get rid of capitalism, but here we are. Also, it might be a little bit of a case of like, you know, young people now being acutely aware of the fact that it used to be a given that each generation would have successively better lives than the one that came before them. And they realise that that isn't what's going to happen because previous generations have fucked it. Yeah. And so now they're

like, oh God, I am going to have to like work and scrimp and, you know, oh, because all of these previous selfish generations didn't do anything helpful. So that's why they're coming across as conformists. It's not that. It's that they're worn down and they're being pragmatists about the fact that your generation ruined it. Yeah. I don't know who this person. Maybe this person's a millennial. Maybe this is one of the conformist millennials.

We don't know. Yeah, I can see in traditional internet forum style, one of the first posts is getting into debating the merits of communism versus capitalism. But what about the Stalinist perjures? I mean, if there was an opportunity to have a Stalinist parish of people who start spreads on that by being unreasonable, I'd say, yeah, what about them? And then like five posts down, we're talking about, actually, America was justified in dropping the bung on who I should. I'd say it's preferable to conform and then have a midlife crisis, resting

safely on your financial, social and career equity, rather than the other way around, fart about for a few years being alternative, and end up well behind your peers' earnings and home ownership-wise, never able to make up lost ground. Now we're back to Mum's Neck Classic. This is what I expect. Yeah, how do you fart around being alternative? young people today care about issues like climate change, race, identity and mental health and not what the older generation feel they should care about. That seems non-conformist to me. It is an incredibly conformist generation.

A friend works in a university and has for years, and he has commented how this generation of students turn up when they are supposed to and do what they are told to. There have always been some students like that, but also many students who did question things and were challenging. But again, that's because these are a... generation of students who are acutely aware of how much debt they're going to end up in and have been raised by these conformist parents who've bullied them into taking some

subject they don't care about because it's a vocation in many instances obviously not all instances and so they are doing it as like part of a the generation starting university now are only 10 years younger than me but I'm sure that even when I was off to uni because it wasn't quite the same fee structure there was still a lot more like go it's an experience it'll be great, it's good to have any degree at all. Blah, blah, blah. And now it feels like, why you can go to university if it's not to increase your earning potential, the level of debt that you'll get into is ridiculous, which actually is a misunderstanding, an intentional misunderstanding of how the debt works, but... Yeah, I think the generation we're talking about

of young adults now have a better understanding of power relations and powers in society. So, like, instead of meaninglessly standing up to the dean, they're standing up to, you know, The police force and actual structures of oppression in society. Yeah. Rather than meaningless figures of authority, like the university. Yeah. Like turning up late to lectures is not non-conformism. And then someone has replied to the person saying,

this generation turn up when they're supposed to at uni, and said, probably because it's costing them a fuckload of money. Yeah, exactly. They only question gender and racism because they've been taught to. What are you on about? Yeah, God forbid we question racism. What do? Oh my, oh my God.

for that matter. Should we do another thread? This is just bad take after bad take. Yes. Am I being unreasonable not to eat hot meals? Oh boy. Apparently this makes me very unreasonable according to work colleagues

and I've had raised eyebrows about teaching my DC good habits and if I feed them properly, I do. I just detest hot meals and I'm much more happy with a place of the likes of pitter, nice cheese, churitso, coleslaw slash Ballymallow relish, olives, crusty bread, sushi, turkey slices, beetroot, Branson Pickle,

etc, etc. Is this really so unusual? I cook hot meals for DC. I mean, all the very specific things that you've said are fine. I mean, obviously not beetroot and Brentston Pickle and Coleslaw and olives, but they're all, they sound fine. It sounds like a good platter of meats and cheeses and who can say no to that. Yeah. But to not any hot meals is weird. It is weird. You know how I feel about adults who blanket don't drink hot drinks?

I think there's something strange about that. Yes. This is like that, but taken to extremes. Yeah. It's really, and these are all like, Schmorgasbord, aren't they? These are platters, yeah. It's not like a sandwich or a salad, which is a coherent meal.

Yeah. So is it they don't like meals and they just like... Bits. Bits. Or is it that they really don't like like hot meals. Because I'd have some of this hot. I mean, I would heat up a pitter. I would heat up a pitter. I would heat up a pitter. I would heat up to it, so I would, you know, maybe heat up turkey slices.

I guess that's like sliced. I'm picturing like chicken roll but made of turkey. This is a weird take. Turkey's a very specific meat to go for. Yeah. It's not hard. It's not, you know, cold roast chicken. Like cold turkey after Christmas is fine because it's all you've got in.

but you've never had it hot. It's never all you've got in though, is it? You've always got a million other things in, but you're like, well, it's tradition. It's weird. It's weird. Why? Are they afraid of burning their mouths? It's a strange thing to have hot meals. How did the first man and woman decide to have a hot meal? I do always wonder this sort of thing. How did they figure that out? The one that always bamboozles me is bread. How did someone work out how to make bread? So much it goes into bread. Yeah. Like, what? It blows my mind that people just came up with bread. Imagine, you know, throwing the yeast in there.

Who'd have thought? Like, the first person making bread must have just been sitting there making bread. And everyone else is like, what the hell are you doing? What's this? Why is it sitting under a cloth? I was proving. What's proving? What's proving?

Meaningless. You've had to grind all this stuff to make this white powder that you used as part of this. Just eat the powder, mate. Yeah, just don't even grow. it up. Yeah, but the same with cooking. Like, that rat's perfectly good. Why are you putting it in the fire? You're going to set it on fire, pal. You're going to burn that. It's not going to get any tastier when you put it in the fire, but oh wait, it did. Yeah, it's... Yeah, it's... Yeah, Yeah, although... Although, let's, let's think about this. Okay. So I mentioned cold turkey

sandwiches after Christmas. Yeah. Delicious. Delicious, fine. Not my thing, but sure. Cold pizza, delicious. I'm just listing foods that I never wanted in the first place, but okay. But is it more delicious than hot pizza? No, I don't think we can go that far. No. No, this premise is falling apart. Cold meals are not better.

But the other side of this is, I mean it's weird, whatever. Why are people so interfering? Why are they like, well, I hope you're giving your DC's good habits? Well, not policing food and being insane about what other people eat is probably teaching them better food habits. Not treating food as some sort of democratic good that we can all interfere with each other's lives in. Well, yeah, the kids have what you wants. If the kid wants to eat cold food, go for it. Yeah, it doesn't sound like the kid does, but it's the adults involved who are like, well, what about your child? You're teaching your child bad lessons. It sounds like being brought up

by someone who's like, this is what I like to eat and I eat what I like to eat. It's going to be healthier than someone who's like, force it down, eat stuff you don't enjoy, get involved with other people's meals all the time. Add value judgments to stuff that has no business of you. No, I think the OPE is probably teaching much healthier habits than these people who are like getting all up in that grill. That said, that is a weird plate of food. Like, don't have all of those on the same plate. Why have you got sushi and beetroot and turkey slices and Branson pickle all on one plate? International. It's disgusting. Dipping your sushi in a little bit of Branson pickle. Bring on the Brantston.

No thanks. Japanese-English fusion. I don't like it. Also, I like that she specifies nice cheese, but nothing else is specified as nice. It's taken for granted. Crap bitter, disgusting charitza. Old coleslaw. Someone said, so you don't eat hot meals?

A bit confused. Why is comprehension so low? She literally said, I don't like hot meals. Yeah. And then explain some things that aren't hot meals and says these are the things I like to eat. There's no room for confusion here. Yeah, we find this confusing, but we can comprehend it. We can comprehend differences.

I'm not even confused by, no. To say that I'm confused by it. I'm confused by why the sushi and the Prince and Pickler are on the same plate. Yeah, we don't understand it. It's not something we would do. Yeah. But we can comprehend it. We can comprehend the difference, and people can choose to live their lives however they wouldn't.

What about Christmas dinner was the first question that came to my mind? Oh my God, if I could get out of having a difference. Christmas dinner and just have some pitterbread and some cheese, I would be the happiest woman in the world. Not a fan of roast. I don't want a roast. I never want a roast. People who think that Christmas dinner is the be-all and end all need to branch out and try some other foods. It's a perfectly nice meal if you like roasts, I'm sure. And then the classic mum's net list of food. I love it when someone just lists food on mum's say it happens all the time and there's never any reason for it. I have a friend who eats like this and he's much healthier than most because his meals are just totally

random, rather than constructed, i.e. Sugar snap peas, carrot batons, olives, cherry tomatoes, boiled egg, cheese sandwich, grapes, strawberries, yoghurt. Just throwing a load of things together in a pot. That doesn't sound random. Sugar snap peas, carrot, batons, olives, cherries, tomatoes, boiled egg. That sounds like a perfectly reasonable thing that you might have as like a salady lunch. What I'm getting from this thread is that there are no cold meals. This is what people seem to think. If you eat cold food, you just have to have platters. Yeah. You have to have spreads.

You have to make yourself a spread every day. Then someone said, you sound very Mediterranean, O.P. Okay. Who knows what that means? What's life in the UK like these days? Just have spreads. Someone said, but it must be very miserable getting through the British winters with that. Well, no, because I've said that's what they want to eat.

It's not that they have to be... Oh, my word. Am I being unreasonable to... approach a man, I see running. Yeah, tell him to leave his wife. Am I being unreasonable to be excited that two mums netters? It's exciting that there are more than two n'am's nests. What does it mean? Am I being unreasonable to ask for any ghost or scary stories? Yeah, it's not Halloween. No spooks. No spooks till October. You know the rules. Go home, spooks. Go home spooks. It's not time for you spooks.

They're not wanted here. Spook off. Exactly. Should we spook off? So we've got a live show at the Camden Fringe. We have. Thursday, 15th of August, so tickets are now open, so please book your tickets and come along. Can we put a ticket link in the info for this? Don't see why not. Well, then that's where you'll find the ticket link, or you'll find it on our Twitter feed. Yeah, so come along to our Camden Fringe show.

It's at the Chapel Playhouse, which is where we had our first ever live show. They're very good to us there. Thank you, Chapel Playhouse. Thank you. Hopefully it will be laid out like an away day again, because I enjoyed that. and we'll have jingles and we'll have threads and we might have the meat raffle that we promised a couple of episodes back. Threatened. But given how many people we don't listen who don't want any meats,

maybe it'll just be like a Linda McCartney raffle. Yeah. Prize it's for everyone. A cold spread. We're going to raffle off the last poster's dinner. Sushi. Do it. Brunston pickle.

Nice cheese. Pitters. So come along for a. our smorgasbord raffle. Tickets of £7. Ticket link available through the info. On Twitter at Y. Be unreasonable. Thanks for listening. Thanks for listening. Bye.