You Are Being Unreasonable - 058 - In which we wrap presents in silver tit paper

Episode Date: November 21, 2019

"You disgust me, you sickening mummy's boy." We pitch a jukebox musical film about Billy Bragg's catalogue: Billy, get in touch if you're interested. We would also accept interest from Danny DeVito. We also immediately blow the chances of that film getting produced by the biggest media conglomerate in the world by laying into The Walt Disney Company and it's history of sexism, racism, anti-Semitism, anti-unionism, and opposition to basic labour rights. Oh well. We also discuss the breast-y wrapping paper at Paperchase and the possibility of boob bubblewrap, whether an adult boy should share a hotel room with his mother, and we offer our standard advice of 'leave the bastard' to a woman whose husband finds her knitting "unattractive".

Hello, driving on drugs feels better when their prescription. All I know, the world looks beautiful, the world looks so damn beautiful. I feel fantastic, and I never felt as good as how I do right now, except for maybe when I think about I felt that day, when I felt the way that I do right now, right now. I feel fantastic, and I never felt as good as how I do right now, except for maybe when I think about how I think about that way. Hello, welcome to You Are Being Unreasonable,

the podcast about People Being Unreasonable, on Mumsnet. dot com birthday edition it's a birthday of someone very important to the podcast Danny DeVito Danny DeVito's birthday and we're pleased to have him on the line mr Danny do no we don't have him on the line no we don't have that kind of clout if he wants to come on great he's very welcome love Matilda sure great film yeah me too because I like all films that feature a boy eating too much cake yep and as a little smart-ass dark-haired girl it was nice to see my people. That's also good. Yeah, always good. Yeah, happy birthday Danny DeVito. And happy birthday, Simon. What have we been up to you this week? Shingles. Shingles. Simon's had

shingles, shingles. Yeah, thanks, hells. Yep, we saw last Christmas. Oh, we did see last Christmas, the Christmas film of the year. Yeah? And by which I mean, it is a Christmas film out this year. It's not good. No. But after we saw it, I was singing the most of the most of the Munk Man of Human Kindness to Simon, as I want to do. And we realise what we really need is the Christmas jukebox musical film about Billy Bragg. Yeah. We've got Mamma Mia about other films. We're at Rocket Man about Elton John's songs.

We need the Billy Bragg film about Billy Bragg songs. We do. If anyone wants to help us come up with any more than just that amount of an idea. Yeah. We really need Billy Bragg attached and ideally Danny DeVito to direct. Yeah, that would be great. But for now, should we just do a speed round? Am I being unreasonable, small chocolate bar?

Small chocolate bar, like a Fredo. Like a 25p Fredo. Are they 25P still? I don't know. It's a measure of the economy, isn't it? Thanks a lot, toys. Am I being unreasonable to ask what you earn? Yeah, a little bit.

I don't even know you. How about if you tell me in Fredos? How many Fredos do you receive annually? I wish I got paid in Fredos. Am I being unreasonable to ask what you would do? No, I'd recall a podcast. and Am I Being Unreasonable to support the Duke of York? Yes, he was friends who were a paedophile.

Yes. Who was murdered, who didn't kill himself. Well, let's do a false ride, shall we? Am I being unreasonable? My 11-year-old child has been asked to rewrite a Disney story of his choice, but without the sexist or racist aspects. Am I being unreasonable to write back that I will not have the teacher pushing her views on my child?

As far as he and his younger DB, Disney has always been a positive thing, fun films, cinema days and even a dream once in a lifetime trip to World Disney World. I wouldn't have minded if they had said do you think any Disney films are racist or sexist? If so, please elaborate why. But this has been set as if it's factual that they are

and my child is just 11. Please give me your honest opinions. Thank you. Yeah, so like we tread a line here. We try not to judge anyone's... actual parenting, and if people have questions about actual parenting, we avoid them. But I think this is a bigger question about whether you can say that you're being neutral when you're not being neutral. Yeah. That's the angle that I'm coming at choosing this from. Yeah, I don't want to

criticise the parent per se. I want to criticise Disney. Yeah, exactly. Everything is satisfactory. A line from the song Zippitydula, which appears in Song of the South. An undeniably racist film produced by Walt Disney. Is it undeniably racist or has it always been a positive thing? Fun film, cinema days and a once in a lifetime trip to World Disney World. I do love World Disney World. World Disney World. World.

I love World Disney World is great. I love Worlds. I love Disney World. I love World Disney World. Disney World. So, taking this apart, Disney has not always been a positive thing. No. At all.

No. There's a lot of really. racism and sexism in early Disney films, maybe even contemporary Disney films. Wasn't Walt Disney a big old anti-Semite? Walt Disney expressed anti-Semitic views, yes. Walt Disney also hated communists and was very vehement in the sort of blacklisting of American communists during the McCarthy era. Walt Disney pushed against union rights and labor rights for his workers,

firing vast swathes of them when they unionized. and demanded better pay and conditions. Were they the workers at World Disney World? Or they workers elsewhere? This was pre-World Disney World in his animation studio. Yeah. Yeah, Walt Disney exploited people, fired communists. Yeah, had some bad opinions about Jews.

You know what? The thing that I find interesting is, is that it appears that, to this poster at least, it's controversial to suggest that there are problems with Disney. And that just shows what an echo chamber I have successfully built for myself, that I didn't think anyone was questioning whether Disney was in any way problematic. I wouldn't have thought that was open to debate.

But apparently, here we are. I've been listening to The Excellent You Must Remember this podcast, and their latest season is on Song of the South, the Disney film that even the Walt Disney Company doesn't monetize because it's too racist. Crikey. So it's not available on their new streaming platform, Disney Plus. They've not released it on home media in years.

Yeah. But yeah, Song of the South is just one example of racism. There's loads, like the crows in Dumbo, spring to mind. So, I mean, you would probably do well at this brief that this 11-year-old has been given, because you would take the crows out of Dumbo. I thought, I'll just write Dumbo without the racist crows. Yeah, sure. Easy peasy.

But apparently, the brief in itself is problematic. You're not allowed to say that something's racist, because telling someone their behaviour is racist is even worse than being a racist these days, apparently. Did you see this thing that Disney have put in front of their films on Disney? does it say racism racism no it doesn't oh it says this may contain outdated cultural depictions uh they were fine at the time kind of thing okay which isn't true they do contain they just contain racism and sexism the idea they were fine at the time is highly subjective isn't it yeah they were fine at the time because people weren't humans unless they were like us

and people have pointed to like to warner brother's studio which has put uh warnings in front of some with its Looney Tunes cartoons which say, this is racist, it wasn't acceptable at the time and it's not acceptable now, but we're releasing this and showing it to you. That's the way to handle it. That's a better way than this may offend you. And if you get offended, it's your problem.

So does that mean, do you think the original poster here would be fine if they were told to take a Warner Brothers cartoon and take out the sexism and or racism? Yeah, because apparently... One of Brothers hasn't built a brand on positivity and, you know, false joy. If it's such a positive thing, then surely this is a joyous task. Take something you enjoy it and make it even better because it's not hateful. That seems like a lovely piece of homework.

What's your favourite film? Great, now take out the racist crows. Excellent. A great piece of homework. Rather than this fake debate that she's set. She's set up because they love to set it up as a fucking debate on mum's there, don't they? Oh, it's a debate. There's two sides to whether or not it's plainly racist.

No, that's what Disney are trying to go for with. outdated cultural depictions warning some people think this is racist some people might have a problem you know there is a problem because it's racist do you think maybe the OPE is from the Walt Disney Corporation do you think they're like

look where can we get to a lot of people that will be the target audience who if not are watching have the purchasing power to get Disney Plus I know we'll go on Momsnet and then we'll come up with some spurious reason to check if people are cool with our takes yeah mum's there

I reckon that's what's happened here You've said it's a nice task for the child Like it could be a nice task Yeah it could be I think it's a way for the school To get dozens of children sued by the Walt Disney Corporation The famously litigious Walt Disney Company Maybe the kids have been playing up

And nothing is working They've given them detentions Frankly they're sick of spending an extra hour Of their own time with these bratty kids They know that they're children So they won't be able to fight this So they're like, look We're just getting tied up with litigation

and they'll be out of our hair The kids tied up in costly litigation Defending against the Walt Disney Company I mean that is one teaching method I don't know Even Mickey Mouse, right Mickey Mouse is based on depictions of minstrels From minstrel shows

That's why he wears gloves There are cartoons where Mickey Mouse has worn blackface And it's sort of, you know He's still got a black face He's a mouse So it didn't really But he's less blackface now But still

it all comes from minstrel shows and this is all racist it's built on racism Should we hear from the thread then? Unfortunately they are right Walt Disney himself was known for his less than savoury views I just don't think it's appropriate to tell young kids this Pushing your views on children doesn't sit well

What so you should tell children that it's a-okay to be racist Pushing your views Doesn't apply to telling kids it's not okay to be racist There's a big difference isn't there Between pushing your views and respecting other people for their humanity. I'd also, just like, as a total aside on this, this is me pushing my views,

Claxon, made it this far in before I started pushing my views. Ha ha! All these people who turn up on Mumsnet with things like this are the very same people who say, well, the thing is, I recognise that austerity's been bad, but I can't vote for Corbyn because of anti-Semitism. But then they'll be like, but, well, Disney,

what a great positive influence. Yeah. Oh! What a great man. Built World Disney World. Oh, you're just, you're using people who, don't have the cultural and structural capital that you do to push your own agenda yourself, O.P. But we know that the O.P. is Walt Disney's, I don't know, proxy in this day and a, yeah.

Signed Lucy Disney. Someone said, he's 11, he's not that young. How do you know they didn't discuss it in class? Some Disney films are sexist and or racist. You're being unreasonable. Basically, the thread have handed the O.P. her ass. They're just like, thing is, it's racist, is early Disney films are racist and sexist. And then the OPs come back and said, for those of you who are saying these films are racist, do you, or have you, allowed your DC to watch any Disney films?

Yeah, you can. Like, it's not a gotcha moment. You can let your kid watch Frozen and not let your kid watch Song of the South, but it doesn't mean that your views are invalid. Yeah. You can watch The Lion King. Oh my God.

Mostly fine. Yeah. But yeah, don't watch Song of the South, like you say. The early Mickey Mouse cartoons, He's in blackface. And then someone has pointed out, and I think we'll end it on this. It's not pushing views, is it? It's teaching them to critically analyse a piece of work.

And I think that is exactly what it is. Sorry, O.P., but you're being utterly ridiculous. Yeah, very unequivocally unreasonable. Am I being unreasonable? Paper Chase tit wrapping paper? So, I was in paper chase earlier today, but I noticed white wrapping paper covered with what I'm pretty sure were various types of silver tits.

I said to the assistant, if you're going to sell this, where's the knob paper? Am I being unreasonable to think they should sell both? Question. Yeah? What does it mean? What covered in silver tits?

Like, as in breasts? As in covered in little breasts made of silver? I assume so, rather than the silver cousin of the blue tits. Yeah, that's what I thought it meant. If you're going to sell this paper with charming birds on it, where's the paper with door knobs? Yeah. You sell the paper with blue tits on, but where's the paper with woodpeckers? It should be an innuendo on both sides.

The two genders, woodpecker and blue tit. I would like to point out that the way it's phrase, when I first saw the thread title, I thought it was paper to wrap one's tits. Yeah. And I was like, oh, like... A saucy little surprise. Well, we have dick in a box, so for equality, we need tits in wrapping paper. Yeah.

Like, it's just nonsense. awfully bawdy wrapping paper. Who's this for? Is this for a hendoo? No, it's for your mates. It's awfully boredy. Paperchase sell loads of stuff with boobs on it and they sell stuff with boobs on it and they make it seem like it's a feminist statement. So the fact this person thinks that a more feminist statement would be paper with penises on it is quite funny. Like, I don't think either of those are particularly strong feminist statements, but you do you, whatever. But if someone gave me wrapping paper and it had loads and loads of drawings of cocks on, I would not feel empowered. I think the most feminist statement is

you get a paper wrapped in cock paper, you open it up and it's got kind of cock confetti in it that spills out all over you and inside it's a dildo empowering, empowerment you go girl, it's empowering to have cocks on everything

I don't know that it's comparable like oh it's so complex isn't it because women's breasts are sexualised to the point where you can't see a woman's nipple because that's considered sexual but a man's nipple isn't. But I do think if it was vulva wrapping paper, for sure, where are the penises? But tits and penises, I don't think, are equivalent.

And maybe this is just paper chase freeing the nipple. Yeah, free that nipple. Yeah, maybe this is, the thing is, if you're that horrified to see boob wrapping paper, are you really going to be the target audience for dick wrapping paper? You asking for them to produce it isn't going to go down well because they'll be like, I mean she wanted it, but she's obviously not going to buy it.

or confused me is like it said wrapping paper covered with what I was pretty sure with various types of silver tits not wrapping paper depicting silver tits covered with like yeah so I just thought it was like in a bowl pit but the bowls of tits

yeah textual wrap like bubble wrap but all the bubbles are boobs yeah little nipples on them a bit weird to pop those but I would love that if you got bubble wrap but each bubble have been made to look exactly like a little boob

a little boob Little boob, then, would that be a feminist statement? No, but would it sell? Yes. There we go, if anyone wants any bubble wrap depicting boobs, do let me know and I'll make it my side hustle. Yeah, go from very booksome to flat chested. Yeah, exactly. This is both sidesism again.

Like, just because you sell tit wrapping paper, doesn't mean you have to sell dick wrapping paper. Just because we invite a remainer onto the show, doesn't mean we need to talk to a lever as well. Yeah, I mean... Just because someone says Dizzy's racist doesn't mean we need someone to say it's not racist as well But there will always be someone

to pipe up to say it's not Yeah Just like there'll always be someone to pipe up To say, what about my penis? I quite like it if someone was just there feeling personally affronted Like, but what about my penis? Is my penis not beautiful enough

to wrap gifts? Just draw a penis on it, pal. Yeah, just get some plain brown paper Draw whatever body part you want on it We've all learned how to draw A cock and balls Like that was a part of the syllabus at school Yeah exactly like

Oh what Did more of that than any of us did it You've seen some fresh snow on a car bonnet I think it's time for a rudimentary cock and balls Yeah That would be Christmasy AF You're an 11 year old If it was wrapping paper

That like fresh snow That someone had just used their finger To draw a rudimentary cock and balls onto So festive Yeah I think could just be lined paper And a ballpoint pen As if you're an 11 year old

Who has access to paper Yeah Or a side of a dirty van. Yeah, I mean, there are so many places where you can see a rudimentary cock and balls. You can see a cock and balls anywhere. They're all over the place. Exactly, like, just planted into a field on the side of a hill. So many places.

Someone said, I made a complaint to paper chase about their kids' school bag, clearly aimed at junior school kids by the childish design, which said, WTF, where's the food? Their response was, we appreciate your comments on this and we would never intend to upset or offend anyone with any of our products. We will pass this along to our stores to adjust the position of these to avoid being seen by our younger audiences.

Right, I stopped growing at 11, so does that mean that because 11-year-olds could plausibly be my height, I'm not allowed to see the fun bits of paper chase? I can't believe paper chase are discriminating against us shorties. Your kid's going to hear the phrase WTF. And is it better to fool them into thinking it means? food or teach them that it means fuck well it's probably better that they know what it means because otherwise people would be like WTF and the kid will be like in

the fridge and people are like no what oh that's true something wrong with little Timmy can't prove his life like that it's best not to lie to children but it doesn't mean you need to print things on a lunch bag someone said have you got photos like you know this is the internet if you want to see photos of boobs you don't need someone on mumsnet to post a picture of some wrapping paper yeah and going to search for that. Someone tweeted us today to say that they'd searched for flesh-coloured t-shirt after the last episode and been horrified in the way we were. Oh no, but they heard me scream? Yeah. Oh, I tried to warn you with my screams. They only had themselves to

blame. Yeah. So I'm not going to search for this tip wrapping paper because it could go very wrong. I'm sorry, but not everything is for kids and you can't just say that because children exist, we can't ever have anything for adults. Yeah. That's just never going to work, is it? Kids have got World Disney World. Exactly. Kids have got World Disney World so why can't I have my bawdy booby wrapping paper? Am I being unreasonable to not want my husband to share a hotel room with mother-in-law? Husband is away attending to family business next week. It's just over an hour away from where we live. It was agreed he would stay overnight for the first night as it involves an early start and a late finish. Now I have learned that mother-in-law has booked him and her

into a twin hotel room for two nights. She's always been overbearing, has no boundaries and has caused significant problems along with father-in-law over the course of our relationship. I think this sharing a room business is grim, and I've told him I don't want him sharing a room with her. He thinks I'm being horrible. Am I being unreasonable?

To map out the family tree here. So mother-in-law refers to the husband's mother. Yes. Right, because it's mother-in-law in relation to this person who is presumably the wife or partner. Yeah, I seem that she's talking about her own mother-in-law, not her husband's mother-in-law, who would be her mum. Yeah, because I thought meant her mum at first, but... No, I think she means her mother-in-law.

She is the central point of this post. Yeah, and everything else spans out. So the husband is sharing a room with his own mother. Yes. And what's the problem with that? She thinks it's grim. Why? I don't know.

Because when I... Because I read this to not want my husband to share a room with my mother. Because I don't know. She thought something might go on. Oh, if you think there's a danger of that happening You need to go no contact with your mother and leave your husband If it seems like it's on the card Something isn't right Yeah, but

But it's not that at all No, this is just sharing a boy sharing a room with his mother Oh, just an adult man An adult boy Well yeah His mother has booked all of this He is a boy, an adult boy I remember an adult boy

Who shared a whole hotel with his mother and that man was Norman Bates And he seemed pretty on the ball I don't know, I would say that he was grim Yeah, I guess Yeah, he's not the best example Yeah, hmm, difficult Is it? They're just going to share a room

Yeah, you go to sleep Right, I properly don't understand So when I first read this Are they going to stay up gossiping about the wife Well they are now Someone's going to get wind of the fact that she's posted this nonsense It's a twin room If it had been a double room

I could see that there would be some boundary issues there. Yeah, don't share a bed with your mum, that's weird, whatever. It's a twin room. I'm sure that if she found out that he was staying for two nights and the mother was staying for two nights and they'd book two separate rooms, she'd find a way to be angry about the expense of doing that because it sounds like she's just looking for reasons to be angry

that her husband's allowed to have a mum. Yeah. I don't know what's gone on. It sounds frugal. It does sound frugal. Particularly while they're attending to family business. Which sounds like a mafia euphemism for whacking someone.

Well, I suppose if you are in the mafia, you'd expect that you'd have the means to have a room each. Yeah, me and more, we're just going to attend to some family business next week. When I first read it, I thought it said business, and I was like, that is super weird. He's going away on business, and for some reason he's mums joining him, and they're going to share a hotel room. And I was like, oh, no, family business.

So they're both going to be there anyway, I assume. It's not like he's going to close some deals, and she's going along for the ride to stay in a hotel room with him. Yeah. I'm going for a conference next week, and your mum's coming. We're going to split a hotel room. No, the way this would work it would be you're going for a conference and your mum's coming. Oh yeah, my mum's coming.

And you're going to split a hotel room. Yeah. But it's family business. Family. It's family business. Stay out of it. It says that she's always been overbearing and she has no boundaries. But, like, her husband doesn't seem to have a problem.

So it sounds like her boundaries are just a lot stricter than his boundaries. Maybe her boundaries suit the husband perfectly. well and they don't suit her and that's a thing that they need to iron out but in this particular instance she has no skin in this game she doesn't have to be in the hotel room if they were both going and the mother-in-law was like oh i've got a little trundle bed for your room then like she would have skin in the game and i could completely see why she would not be impressed not good that would be bad it just sounds like she doesn't want her husband to spend any time with his mother they've got family business to attend to yeah over an hour away from home just over an hour yeah i mean

this does sound a little bit like if you were going to Bryson and you and your mum stayed in a little hotel together for two nights, which I think I would find odd, but I don't think I'd be offended. I wouldn't start a thread about it. I'd be like, okay, cool, have a nice time, whatever. I don't know why this person's so hot up. Her husband thinks she's being horrible. It makes me think that she's brought this up a lot. Like, because it sounds like her saying it's grim, like doesn't actually seem horrible. It sounds like, well, it's not grim, it's fine. It's easier to write out a post and make yourself look good. But when you're actually saying it to someone,

you're probably going to come across as horrible in the moment. Yeah? What do you think she said in the moment? Like, you disgust me, you're sickening mummy's boy. Get a grip. You've always been a mummy's boy. Mommy's boy. She's a whole musical number.

You're one of those mummies boys I've read so much about. She had a full chorus line behind her backing her up on this. Mommy's boy. I personally would never share a room with anyone except D.H. At least it's not a double bed. Yeah, but that's you personally. That doesn't mean it's inherently grim. It's his mother, what do you think is going to happen?

She may be difficult, but she's going to have contact with him, whether in a shared room or not. Yeah, I'll just get one of those rooms with the adjoining door, like in a farce. That'd be great. Yeah, at least this way, they know the boundaries because they're in the room at the same time. It's not like he'll be stepping out of the shower, reaching for his robe, and she'll be there swinging the door open while there's canned laughter

just wrapping my tits good grief opi you're having all the family drama in short order today aren't you this makes me think the op might have another thread running but life's too short to go and find it am I being unreasonable

to not want my mother-in-law to show him with my husband to say him just to be flipped someone said is he's name Oedipus that is a leap that is a leap and a half once I knew it was the I thought, well, that's not the concern

anymore. Yeah, no one's boning down. Yeah. They're just going to attend a family business. It's going to attend a family business, eh? I don't know why the husband told her. She sounds like very hard work. It'd be easier if the husband didn't know. Oh no, sorry, the Muzrin-in-law told her. She is overbearing.

The Mouser-in-law phoned up. Darling, I'm going to be staying in a hotel room with your husband. She's smoking a long cigarette? Yeah, she really is. Yeah. She's got long gloves on as well. and like one of those nightgowns that's got a really big feather-bowed trim but is mostly see-through.

Maybe that's why she objects, because she knows that the mother's nightwear is a cigarette holder and a fur trim see-through nightgown. She's like, no, no, the amount of your mother you'll see is akin to a paper-chase wrapping paper. Yeah. This will not do. I'm worried your mother will fill this room with her big Dalmatian fur coat.

Oh, I don't understand. what the OP's issue is. I really don't. Much as you dislike her, she sees mum. I don't see how sharing a room could make any difference here. Do you think she's going to whisper evil things while he's sleeping and thus undermine you via hypnopedia? Now I do. Now I'm terrified. I think that the mother-in-law has got game. I think the OP should aspire to be more like the mother-in-law. Murder your wife. Murder the wife. The mother-in-law... Murder her. Murder her and bring me the puppies for the kelp. I mean, she's had a head start on whispering stuff to this man while he sleeps,

so the OPE just needs to up her game. She needs to whisper things while he's awake, just so he doesn't realize she's doing it. He'll be watching TV, and she'll be sort of pottering about, but just being there sort of saying, kill your mother, kill her. Don't we share a room with her? And then he'll be like, did you say something?

And she'll be like, oh, they're draughty today, isn't it, darling? I think the family business is something super banal. although I bet they're like locksmiths and they're going to the locksmithing convention. We make tit wrapping paper. We've been called back to the factory to make penis wrapping paper. Oh no, that would make me think maybe they don't want to be sharing a room because maybe the mother-in-law will be like, I need some help with my designs, I need a model, son. And then I'd be like, no, that isn't appropriate at all.

No, no, they mustn't share a room. We need to go to court because our little cousins are being sued by Walt Disney for litigious fan fiction. which added racism into non-racist Disney films. For balance. There's two sides. Yeah. We took Frozen and we made it hateful. This is Moana, but with anti-Semitism.

Should we do one more thread? Am I being unreasonable to want to scream? Husband thinks my hobby is deeply unattractive. It's cold and rainy and all day I was looking forward to starting a new knitting project. After dinner I settled down with my wool and needles and my husband started with the sighing. After the usual rigmarole I dragged it out of him. Seeing me knit is deeply unattractive. It's for sexless, boring, tedious women and he hates seeing my projects laying around because it's a stringy depressing mess and I should find something more interesting to do with my time.

I'm absolutely furious at the sexism and stupidity but also really sad because I love knitting. it's cozy and peaceful and meditative, but now it's ruined. You know what else is deeply unattractive? Being a prick. Being stabbed in the flank with two knitting needles. Way! Oh, she should have done that. She should have just stabbed him in the flank.

Just stab him. Yeah. She could... While he's distracted by how unattractive you are. Just stab him, just go. And if he doesn't want to see the stringy depressing mess, you could just shove it into his mouth, because you can't see the inside of your own mouth.

Yeah. Bundle it into his mouth and keep pushing it. Just keep pushing it in. there. Spoke his eyes out with the knitting needles. You didn't have to see it. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, there's so many solutions here. I hope the OP wants someone's solutions focused because we're her people.

Yep, we can like have to it. No, but for real, her husband sounds like a grade eight piece of shit. What are attractive hobbies for women? Mud wrestling. Yeah. Wet t-shirt contest. But how would that be a hobby? Like, do you practice at home by just pouring water over yourself?

Yeah. Various t-shirts. Yeah. Until you resemble the wrapping paper. That's right. Yeah. I don't know. Like, you say mud wrestling, though, but I feel... Then you're covered in mud.

Yeah, you'd be muddy and... Erotic dancing. Sure. Burlesque. I just think a man like this, you'd never be able to win. I think if you did mud wrestling, he'd be like, oh, I don't like seeing you wrestling. It's too masculine. And I think if you did burlesque, he'd be like, I don't like seeing you selling yourself like that.

It's too slutty. I think a man like this just wants a woman to just do what he says. and if he hasn't instructed her to do anything, she must sit staring at a wall and cannot have a hobby. You think he's both haphobic and knitphobic? Yes. Yeah. I think he is all the phobics.

And a prick. What would be sexier? Crocheting? Well, because it's got all those little holes so you can see a little bit of skin. Yeah. Oh, peekaboo. Cross stitching.

Yeah, I mean, I cross-stitch the thing that said men are trash, and I'd be very happy to send the pattern to that to this OP if she would like it. And she can show that to her husband. What about erotic knitting? Yeah, well, so she could knit like little nipple pasties. Yeah, I was just thinking a dick. Just a knitted dick.

Just a knitted dick. I want to know what his hobbies are, because I bet his hobbies are something really tedious, like super tedious. My hobbies are top gear. Yeah, exactly. Like, I bet he's that sort of a guy. I bet his hobbies involve Lycra.

You know, he's a total, like, middle-aged man in Lycra, swaggering about with these tiny little shorts telling her that her hobby is sexless, and she's just there knitting some sort of modesty cover for his horrible bum that's always out when he's Lycra shorts. If he says it's a hobby for sexless, boring, tedious women, but he knows her and it's her hobby, so he's saying that she's all of those things, which is a horrible thing to say to your partner. Yeah. Absolutely horrible.

But, like, if that's how you feel about your partner, you should try to have a constructive conversation about the problems in your relationship. You shouldn't blame it all on the wool. The wall's done nothing wrong. You know, when she's allowed to be sexless, when she's allowed to, not mould herself to fit the male gaze. Whenever she wants. Yeah, whenever she wants.

Yeah. You know what? It's probably the least sexy thing you could do. Be fucking horrible to your partner like this. Is knitting sexy? Eh, it wouldn't turn me on. But is it unsexy? No, it's fine.

Is telling your partner that they're a tedious, boring woman sexy? No, but is it actively unsexy? Yes. Yes, it is. I think he's the problem here. Leave the bastard. Yes.

Take your cozy knits. We say it a lot, but leave the bastard. Let's hear from the thread. Fuck that shit, knitting's therapeutic. Nick yourself a jumper that says, fuck off. Oh, I like that one best. And do it over a long period of time. This is a long project.

Maybe their socks, they take ages. Yeah. And they just say, fucking off. Yeah. And eventually he'll realise what you're knitting. Also, like, knitting's super cool now, isn't it? Like, loads of cool young people knit. I've seen loads of grad shows where people have knitted their fine art.

final projects. Nitt is a cool thing people do. Yeah, people are all over Instagram and Ravell Witt, knitting up a storm and being sexy while they do it, if they choose to be. I went to like a fairly cool, like, arty, in a London secondary school where we had somebody came in during the lunch breaks in sixth form and taught us to knit, and everyone got involved and like, teenagers are the first in line to tell you if something is tedious. Teenagers are just waiting to tell you that it's tedious, even if it's not. People are like, yeah, cool, I'll do it in there. Sure, it seems cool. Yeah, why not? Yeah, great.

And, like, craftivism's a thing. I think this man is stuck in the past. In so many ways. Like, firstly, because he thinks that his opinion matters somehow. No. But also, because he doesn't seem to realise that knitting's moved on, and he should, too. He should move on out of the O.P.'s way. Final thing.

Telling you're knitting him a balaclava to wear at home. I like that. I wish that she just hit the end of that as he finished his tirade about it being boring and then just rolled it down over his face, just pulling a little shutter over him with this balaclava. That's good. That's savage.

Yeah. She do one more speed round. Am I being unreasonable? I've got the right hump. That's rough. Sorry. Did you watch a racist Disney movie? Am I being unreasonable?

I can't stand my cousin's wife. Rough. You don't want to share a hotel room with them there. Well, no. Am I being unreasonable? Just stop buying new SUVs. Yeah, just stop. It's all on you.

This is like straws. except a bit more contributing to the environmental collapse. Yeah, I can see the individual argument for not having an SUV more than I can see it for straws, but it's still from the same spurious place of bullshit. Yeah, maybe they should stop manufacturing SUVs. Yeah, that'd be better, wouldn't it? Am I being unreasonable? I honestly don't understand why anyone who cares about anyone other than themselves would vote Tory.

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