You Are Being Unreasonable - 091 - Information-delivery musicals and bringing back the clap

Episode Date: January 7, 2021

"And what are you?" New year, new You Are Being Unreasonable. Mumsnet AIBU are struggling with an excess of weirdness this year and we investigate this madness with a general review of the state of Mumsnet's AIBU board in 2021. We also discuss defining people entirely by their function to capital, whether musicals are the most efficient information-delivery mechanism that there is, and a couple of Mumsnet ideas to deal with coronavirus in the UK: more clapping and/or full communism.

Hello, driving on drugs feels better when their prescription. All I know is the world looks beautiful, the world looks so damn beautiful. I feel fantastic and I never felt as good as how I do right now, except for maybe when I think about I felt that day, when I felt the way that I do right now, right now. I feel fantastic and I never felt as good as how I do right now, except for maybe when I think about I felt that day. Hello.

Hello, welcome to your being unreasonable, the podcast about people being unreasonable on mumsnet.com. With me, Hells. And me, Simon. Happy, happy new year. Happy, happy new year. New Year on, you being unreasonable. Yep.

The podcast where we read out Mum's Net, are I being unreasonable threads? Yep, that's the one. Do we have any resolutions? A good resolution would be to stop visiting this Hells site, and yet, here we are. More listeners, higher engagement, metrics. I don't think metrics and resolutions are the same thing.

More metrics. Yeah? more vanity metrics. Ads. Hundreds and hundreds of ads. Yeah, we should be measuring our reach. Mattress adverts. We should be measuring our spend per click. Now, before we started, you said with some dismay,

oh no, this thread, it's gone. Right, so there was a thread that I really wanted to do, and the thread was called something to the effect of, would you accept communism to pay for all of this? And it was somebody who was saying, because of the problems caused by, you know, COVID and the impact that has on the economy, would people be willing to accept a situation where all property was seized and then redistributed as a way to somehow pay for us to

remain in lockdown until COVID goes away? And then everyone on the thread was just like, no, I've worked hard for my house. And no one was questioning whether the OP understood communism, where this idea came from, how it would help, what was going on. And it was just, it was a beautiful example of someone on Mumsnet having a scheme. It sounds like we need more analysis before we take this to the House of Commons. And we won't get it now because Mumsnet deleted it. The very simple deletion message, this thread was started by a troll. Not all communists are trolls, Mumsnet. I don't think this person was a communist. Oh no. One of the questions on the thread was, who is this they you're speaking about? And the O.P. said, momentum with a question mark.

Maybe that is a troll Yeah Maybe that is a troll So we've had to do a hasty reshuffle Of our threads But hopefully it will work out for the best Let's get Speed round

Am I being unreasonable Weird mark on toddler's foot Yes get rid of that foot Amma being unreasonable To ask of a heart rate of 134 Yeah Yeah You shouldn't be asking about your heart

That's personal Amma being unreasonable To think this is the most fucking annoying comeback on mum's net No, no, I think there's more annoying comebacks And am I being unreasonable, weekday dinners Yeah, shouldn't be having them, weekend dinners only Yeah, resolutions

Yeah, weekend lunches, great, weekend dinners, no thanks Okay, now that Simon's done some confusing food chaming Let's do a full thread Am I being unreasonable to think that you are or do what pays the bills This is something I've always found odd When you ask someone what they do And they reply with a job or a trade that they've never actually made any money from,

and they do something completely different instead. Let me clarify. I know someone who trained as an interior designer for a year, redecorated her place, but works at the post office, and has done for over 10 years. She did the interior design course around 15 years ago. However, if you ask her what she does, she says she's an interior designer.

To me, that's inaccurate, because her job is not designing interiors, but working at the post office. Another example. This man I know, friend's partner, works in a logistics company, a decent job, being there for some years. However, if you're asking what he does, he'll tell you he's a musician. He and some friends have a band, but they've never been paid to play anywhere. I totally get freedom of speech and all that. At the end of the day, you can say what you like.

But surely, from an accuracy point of view, the above is inaccurate. Just because my other half takes pictures of me, that doesn't make me a supermodel. I think this person is not at all being unreasonable. I think everyone should be defined by their function to capital. Oh, tell me more. How much longer can you keep this bit going? What is your position as labour? That's what you're defined by, how you add value to the economy. And only that. I'll go further. Everyone should wear shirts with their function to capital on it. Does that mean that if you do not contribute something to the economy because you are, for example, a baby? Yeah, you're not a person.

You do not have personal. You are not. Yeah, yeah. I... No, no, no. Obviously, that's in jest, taking an extreme capitalist viewpoint to its logical and hilarious conclusion. A bit of New Year's satire from Simon.

Bit of satire on capitalism. Oh. No, this person, what? No, shut up. People are allowed to say they are whatever they wouldn't. Yeah, and oh my word. If I met someone and I was like, like, oh, yeah, so what do you do?

And they says, I work in logistics, it's a decent job. I wouldn't have much chat with them. But if they said, oh, I'm a musician, I'm in a band. Like, that would be interesting. We could talk about that. Accuracy doesn't make for good chat. Yeah, you don't always have to introduce yourself as if you're at a conference. Also, it seems odd to me to say to somebody, what are you?

And what are you? Like, if you're Prince Philip, then maybe that is a question that you ask. But if you're anyone else. What do you do? What do you do is a slightly more... What do you do? A slightly more common question, but still one that I find a bit icky. I do lots of things.

I eat. I sleep. I run. I walk. I lie still. I sit down. I am a sleeper. What?

I sleep. Most of the time. Not most. I mean, over the last few weeks, definitely most of the time. But it's the activity that takes up. It's the activity that you do most. It's the activity where I feel I'm making the greatest contribution to the economy. Yeah.

Just getting out the way. Like, it does get on with things. Yeah. Like, in the economy, crack on. Yeah. I am just sleepwalking into crisis. Yeah. But, yeah, the point here is that you can say you are whatever you want to be.

You can self-identify because you are who you are. It's your personality. You decide. Job tights also don't mean anything. We should change our asset. You don't know how. surnames used to be like Smith because you were in a blacksmith. Yeah. Or a wheeler because you were a wheelwright. Yeah. Or farmer because you were a farmer. Your surname should be your job. So I would be Simon IT worker. No, but I don't think this person would even go for that. I think they want hard job titles. And I'm not sure that IT worker would cut it. Oh. Oh. Oh. Well, we can do that. But that means that's an awful lot of names. It is. I really just wanted broad strokes

Nope Someone has said When I lived in London in 2000 I met a large amount of actors At first I was really naive And I thought they were actors It was only after getting to know them I realised it was more aspirational

I did think it was a bit odd I think it said more about their insecurity What a bitch What a nasty thing to say That is nasty God forbid people have aspirations And also jobbing actors Tends to have other jobs

That they do in between jobs So even if someone is a jobbing actor, they will occasionally be doing other stuff. They're not going to say, oh, I was an actor last Tuesday, but currently I work at Super Drug. I am the Super Drug Economy. I come up to you. You say you're an actor. I say. Can I see some evidence that that accounts for more than 50% of your income? Yeah, and then I run away. Or takes more than 50% of your time.

My Twitter bio says that I'm a writer, performer, charity worker and silly sausage. I can attest to the silly sausage It's almost 100% of the time The only one of those that I have not ever been paid for Is being a silly sausage But I think some of your shares were silly sausages Silly sausage shares

Yeah but I think they fall under the performer bracket That's true That's true Overlapse So because I have been paid to write Does that mean I'm allowed to say I'm a writer Or because I couldn't cover the mortgage with writing Do I have to say I'm not a writer

If someone said to me For example if they were about to pay me to write and they said you are a writer though i would have to say oh no no you think that the people who go to mums net tend to self-define as mums and yet that does not pay the bills oh no there's a whole thread running at the moment about people saying that their partners would not be where they were had they not made the sacrifices they had by being mums so yeah i get that they do contribute to the economy yeah and i get all the the factors around that i really do i'm not criticizing that but I think they would say that being a mum is what they are slash do slash pays the bills.

Someone has said, I'm imagining what these folks might rather wish to discuss at parties. You're struggling because of how you define things, that the answer to your question should be the pastime that earns a living is your definition. I'm sure it's shared by loads of people. It's the traditional answer. But we've had decades now suggestions that we answer based on what grabs us, what we're passionate about. So the folks who answer like that is okay, just following a different definition.

And then someone has said, I don't earn any money. does that make me nothing? Which, yeah, that's what the O.P. seems to think. And that's why the O.P. is the worst person. Great sale. But we can't define the OPE as the worst person because that does not contribute to the economy. If they were to take this broad strokes approach,

then they would say at parties, me. Oh, I'm the worst person. But that doesn't pay the bills. I don't identify as the worst person. And then someone has said, surely what a person does and who they are are two different things. He does whatever pays the bills, but he is a musician.

I think that's a nice distinction if you want one. There's people with a lot of patients here who are actually breaking this down and saying, people can say that they wouldn't. Yeah. Who you are. It's not a function of your contribution to the economy. Yeah.

Someone has said, oh, I once dated an actor. It soon transpired. He worked at a burger restaurant, but quite fancy being an actor. Oh, well, I hope he dumped your ass for being horrible. How are these people being so rude about people trying to get other jobs? I know. And also the implied rudeness about working in a burger restaurant.

Just nasty. Just nasty. Festive Fruit Loop sums it up by saying, why should we be limited to using only our job descriptions to sum up who we are and what we do? That sounds pretty sad to me. It is pretty sad, hells. Pretty sad. Let's move on.

Am I being unreasonable to not understand what kind of person hates musicals? I love them. I love all musicals. I just don't understand how you can have people who like stories and who like music, but they hate musicals. There's also so many different types of musicals, from Cabaret to Blood Brothers to Cats to the Sound of Music. How could you dislike them all?

Is it about the singing preventing you from engaging with the story? Because it feels artificial, but surely all films and plays feel artificial. I just think there's no better way of getting huge amounts of info across quickly than in musicals. This scene from Les Mis, for example, in one song you understand conflict, both characters' motives and backstories.

Also, isn't there a bit of snobbery here? There's no difference between opera and musicals, except musicals are more fun. Can we see what clip from Le Mies helps us understand the conflict? It's a YouTube link. It is. Ah, it's the confrontation.

So that's when Java and Valjean have a confrontation and sing at each other about their character motivations. I think... I steal... I stole some bread. I don't deserve to go to jail. You do.

I'm a cop who deserve to go to jail There is no better way to convey information This is the best way to convey information That's what stuck out to me There is no better way of getting huge amounts of info across quickly Than through the musical Humble Musical I didn't realise how much of a solid

Those university drama societies Were doing us at the Edinburgh Fringe each year By taking the political things of the day And making the musical Yes, the best way to take information I've really underestimated them. Who knew that Brexit the musical could have really helped us to understand a complex situation.

Yeah, thanks Edinburgh Fringe. Where is the second dose of the vaccine should be two weeks later, the musical? We need this to be a musical. Yeah, if only Sage were singing at the cabinet. Where is your nose goes in the mask, the musical? Vaccines. You need two doses of vaccines. It's a phantom of the opera

But there's no better way of getting across information about phantoms And the opera's they haunt Oh, but there must be a real conflict for the OP there Since they think this is about snobbery and opera is less fun than musical So a musical about a phantom of an opera It's confusing It is It overlaps genres

It's genre busting Genra busting That's why Vets just watch the musical cats, so they can have a good introduction, a long introduction to cats. But there's no better way of getting that information across. Well, yeah, I mean, the cats do introduce themselves, and then the cats also continue to introduce themselves. But that third act, that doesn't really do anything, that would be the act in which they

could put all of the important veterinary information about how to treat common feline illnesses. And rum tom toga, and cats are lactose intolerant. Yeah, if the third act. of cats were more effective, I think that there would be better treatment for the feline immunovirus. People would understand. It's the best way to convey information. Andrew Lloyd River really dropped the ball on that third act by not talking about feline immunos. The OP has come back and said maybe stage musicals

feel more like disbelief is suspended so you can roll with it anyway. Okay, but like the OP also said that films and plays are unrealistic. So why can they suspend their disbelief for a musical, but they simply cannot suspend their disbelief for a film. It's impossible. It doesn't convey any useful information. Yeah. And it's unrealistic. Films are entirely artificial. Never mind British social realism and Italian neo-realism. Those should be musicals. They're all artificial. I want some Ken Loach musicals. Where is Kez the musical when you need it? Here's your package. Thank you for the package. Now back on the door.

You've been sanctioned. Now. Oh, you're dead. Spoilers for Ken Loach films. If you haven't seen any Ken Loach films, I probably would spend the day watching musicals instead, if I'm honest. Yeah, I don't know if musicals are for everyone, but I don't think they're the best way to convey information. I don't know about comparing them to the opera either.

I think even people who work in musicals and theatre would say they're very different... Yeah, I don't know that the opera... different genres, they're different beasts. I don't think the opera is trying to convey information. It's not an infomercial like a musicalist. I don't think any of these artworks as trying to convey information,

so much as mood and theme. This is why people got so bent out of shape about Hamilton not being entirely accurate because people like this think that musicals are there to convey information and then they're like, no, Hamilton is actually inaccurate and Hamilton wasn't a good egg, after all. Same with the crown. But that's not a musical, so we had no reason to believe

that was conveying information. No, only musicals convey information. There's a little bit in the crown where... Starlight Express is the best way to learn about trains on roller skates. Someone's come along and they've said, I wouldn't describe myself as hating musicals, most are not to my taste. I also differentiate from something such as Gilbert and Sullivan or Rogers and Hammerstein, where the play and the music are written together,

and the kind of jukebox musical, where the story is almost nil, and the original artists usually are much better with the songs. At this point, I don't know that I agree, but I can see the distinction they're making. I can see why I think is a good, well-rounded response to the O.P. Then they say, I respect some of the Rises as well, especially the works of Sir Tim Rice and Lord Lloyd Weber, because they don't pretend what they've written as anything other than family entertainment.

Right, right. As if Lord Lloyd-Weber does not think that cats is God's gift to the art he doesn't think it's a masterpiece the writer of Jesus Christ

superstar that conveyed a lot of information about Jesus Christ I know he was a superstar yeah I mean I just don't tell why they're being

such a fucking kiss ass Sir Tim Rice Lord Lloyd Weber Andrew Lloyd Weber I don't know but you know They raise a good point about Gilbert and Sullivan. Yeah?

In the British Armed Forces, when you reach the rank of Major General, they sit you down in a room. They sit you down in a room and they play to play and you learn how to be a modern major general. Could you talk us through that? I am the very model of a modern Major General. Information, Vegetable, Animal and Mineral. Okay. See, it's the best way to get across information, vegetable, on animals, vegetables, and minerals. And minerals, great.

There are a few I like, like Cabaret and My Fair Lady. But to be honest, I just get bored in the singing and dancing bits, and I want the story to move on. Okay. Maybe you don't like musicals if you find the singing and dancing a bit boring, and you want the story to move on. Maybe you should read a book or watch, not a musical. And then someone has said, I would never watch one voluntarily. I also don't like opera. I do love a live concert and knows who's music I like, but that's about all the music that I like.

People like what they like. If you don't like musicals, don't watch them. If you do like musicals, watch them. But don't try to use them as the only way to convey information because some people have different learning styles. I like some musicals. Matilda was great. We went to see that.

Yeah. Went to see Hamilton in London. Great. Great. I like musicals well enough. I like newer musicals. I find older musicals very overblown. Those are Sot Tim Rice and Lord Lloyd Webber.

Yeah, I suppose so. But, you know, I'm not going to start a thread about it Because I'm not going to start a thread about anything Because I am a visitor here A visitor to these lands Let's do another thread Am I being unreasonable to think we should bring back the clapping We seem to be in a similar position to March

And the NHS is coming under serious strain Am I being unreasonable to think now is the time To bring back the clapping And can you read the first response to this? No Let's do And done. I mean, here's the problem. Correlation is not causation. Yes, there was a dip in the number of COVID cases in the UK after March when the clapping was going on. Yeah. But also, the schools were closed and the workplaces were closed and people were travelling less and people were being paid to stay at home on the furlough scheme.

When the clapping stopped, that was when it was the best the situation has been here. Which would rather suggest that if we all start clapping again. Yeah, things will get worse before they get better. You'll have blood on your hands. You'll be clapping blood together. I think the solution is not to clap, close the schools. I would close the schools, personally, yes. The OP has come back and said,

but surely anything that would raise staff morale and bring a better sense of community would be a good thing. We don't need more community. We need to be indoors. Separately. We need less community. Yeah. Fewer community, please.

Separate community. Socially distanced community. Far-part community. That doesn't, I don't want to go on Zoom and clap with you. Okay. I don't want us all to have to dial into a call each week where we all clap, like something from a really bad dystopian film. I imagine the studies that were done on the efficacy of the clapping are still undergoing peer review,

because that's a lengthy process. But I don't know if there was a lengthy process. between the clapping and staff morale. Yeah. I think staff morale would be improved by closing the schools and therefore having fewer cases for NHS staff to have to deal with. I think that would be a good shout, wouldn't it?

The schools in this borough are open. The schools in the borough's either side of us are not, I think. Yeah, it doesn't make any sense. Because children never pass borough boundaries. Well, yeah, it doesn't make any sense at all. Someone has said the clapping never raised morale. All it did was allow people to be sanctimonious due to the wonderful thing they thought they were doing

for the NHS and look down on those of us who didn't want to stand and clap every bloody week. So what I think we can gather is probably the OP is sitting there, just scrolling mums there, being sanctimonious, looking down on people who don't want to bring the clap back. Not the clap. But that's okay. You don't need to go to hospital if you've got the clap. You can just get a course of antibiotics, so that's not going to put extra strain on our NHS. No, but don't try and get the clap. No, because you should be social distancing.

That's not what clapping is. Yeah. So don't go around having unprotected sex with people just to try and get the clap to support our NHS. Because you might get COVID. You might. Let's do another threat. Am I being unreasonable to wonder what the heck is happening on AIBU? Have we been infiltrated?

Everyone is mad. Goodness. They're onto us. What the heck is happening on AIBU? This has got some good radio calling energy. They know that we've been planting all these threads. Were you the troll? Were you the total?

Were you the COVID-communism troll? Mm-hmm. Oh, no. I'm every other poster on, am I being unreasonable? Of course, because the other 50% are me. It's just you and me. Because it's always you and me, always. Musicals.

Yeah, so before this morning, You said to me, we should do a podcast. Everyone's gone mad. I did. Was it related to this or was it just the general? Has there been a notable shift, an uptick in the madness? There absolutely has. In the bonkers nature of am I being unreasonable?

So this is the thread that I did to replace the thread which got pulled. And if you just go on Google and search for AIBU, this comes up on Google with those results. And for some reason it's like one of the first things that comes up, even though it's from 2008, so nothing has changed for some time over on Mumsnet. But there was, I mean, the threads I've done, I feel pretty weird. And then there have been all sorts of bizarre threads over Christmas that I haven't chosen for the podcast because I want Christmas out of the way now, please. There was the communist one.

There was someone who her husband had a LinkedIn profile, and so she thought he was cheating. Because of LinkedIn? Yeah, she, well, so it's... Initially, she said that she just saw, because he left his emails open, that he had a LinkedIn email come through. And then someone was like, yeah, good luck convincing your husband does that. She was like, guilty is charged.

I was going through his emails looking for things to be jealous about. Probably lighthearted about it as if that was normal. Would you like to join my professional network, if you know what I mean? Oh, uh. And then there's loads of people who, there was another one this morning. We're recording this on New Year's Day. There was one this morning, and the title was just like, e, coppers, over there, where the fireworks are.

That's where the COVID rule breakers are. It was just someone like live threading where there were people were having parties last night. Interspersed people saying, are you sure they're having parties? You sure they're not just letting off fireworks in their own garden. You can let a fireworks be social distance. Yeah, we saw loads of fireworks. I suggest you do need a certain distance from the fireworks.

Just 60 people standing right round of firework. packed in yeah no it has been the equivalent of just going on how I being reasonable and pointing and screaming at someone like Donald Sutherland at the end of the vision of the body snatches and then there's also

been a thread this morning saying that the person who screamed at the Sistine Chapel was right was right to scream that's a classic episode of this podcast yeah but then it was actually really boring so the title I was like this is amazing but then I opened it and there was a university challenge question about Stenthal syndrome, which was mentioned on the original thread, so it's not like

you've just discovered something that no one talked about. That's when you're so overcome by something. Yeah, it's the official name for Paris Syndrome. Paris Syndrome, that's when we talked about this at the time, I think, when Japanese tourists are so overwhelmed by Paris that they faint and whatnot. Yeah, it was talked about on the thread at the time, and everyone still agreed that screaming at the Sistine Chapel was perhaps a little much, but someone came along today, like, Big news. Big news, everyone. They were right. The DSM-5 had finally recognized it. The DSM is super problematic.

I just wanted to get in there and say that I'm aware of the problems with the DSM. Oh yeah, I'm not endorsing. No. Yeah, I don't know what's gone on, but everyone on here has just, it's just degenerated into something quite odd. And the fact that this thread that came up is from 12 years ago makes me wonder what happened in the interim, where for a while, it got normal again. Like, I think our earlier episodes, people were weirder, and then people

have sort of pulled themselves together a little bit, and now it's just falling into pieces. Lockdown, lockdown madness. Cabin fever. It is cabin fever. I found myself on the coronavirus board the other day, just looking at what people were posting on there, and I'm not here to judge anyone's anxieties, but if you want to see some people who really need to get off mum's neck, the coronavirus board is where they all are. Not helpful. Go on to a musical. It's a great way to convey lots of information. Yeah, you don't want to worry about Corona virus. You'll learn too much. Somebody has said,

Madness can be considered a social construct, often used to label an oppressed so-called deviance, create fear and disharmony. Maybe we're all mad. In the past, illegitimacy, drunkenness, and homosexuality were all cited as reasons of madness and efficient to an asylum. Oh, cool. Michelle Foucault is here.

Yeah. I don't know he posted on moms, isn't it? So... I thought he was dead by 2008. So there we go. Yeah. Okay, I... Maybe the comments were bad.

better in 2008, because that's textbook Foucault History of Madness. Someone said, Am I Being Unreasonable is the lifeblood of Mumsnet? The gladiatorial arena. Oh, hell yeah. Come on, no one plows in there expecting a well-measured response, nor should you. I marvel at what people post. Am I being unreasonable? My pants are too tight, cutting off circulation. Take off the pants. Am I being unreasonable to hate red buses? No, paint them green. Am I being unreasonable to hate middle-class moms? No.

Am I being unreasonable to hate bugaboo prams? I don't know what that is, but they're not. sound great yeah that's admirably self-aware could it be that have I been unreasonable used to be better people do say that people do say a lot that mum's net has gone downhill and they blame

Geoffrey, they say that yeah they blame the penis speaker and Geoffrey and I have never got to the bottom of what Geoffrey is but it comes up a lot if anyone understands Petit? No, it's spelt with a G they say it's really gone downhill since Geoffrey since Geoffrey

So there's a bunch of There's some common things that people post On their posts to demonstrate they've been using Mumset for a long time And therefore are not a trong As if you couldn't be a troll who's been around forever Come on Come on, trolls don't just spring up fully formed Coming out from under their bridges

Eating our children's bones And a lot of the things they talk about as an example that they've been there forever I can sort of make sense of but there's this thing where they say oh no ever since Geoffrey what was it we just don't know

the inciting incident that caused this board the heart of the nuclear fire in Twin Peaks of Return Part 8 of Am I Being Unreasonable Well Should we just do a speed round and call it a day Geoffrey Yeah

Oh no I've let on that you are Geoffrey It's true My confession Am I being unreasonable To get rid of some chairs They're everywhere This house is full of chairs Am I being unreasonable

Help please feeding a cat in a cone I imagine just throw the food into the cone Like have it look at the ceiling And then Like those falling cup games Are those games at the pier Am I being unreasonable changing time. Am I being unreasonable? No, let's change it. Everyone should be on GMT. And am I being

unreasonable to ask what is your side hustle and how much do you earn? You can't talk about side hustles because it's not who I am. It's not what you do. Only main hustles. With that, shall we hustle ourselves away? Yeah. Great. Have you got anything that you'd like to plug? No. No, is that because it's not paying you so it doesn't exist? It doesn't exist. Great. You shouldn't even even be listening to this. It brings in no income. That's not true. Last year we made £450, then gave it immediately to charity. Oh yeah, that's true. That's true. I don't know if it counts if you give it to charity. We got a certificate. Yeah, it was laminated, which was nice. Well, yeah, no, I don't have anything to plug either. We're only plugging things that have

monetary value that are supporting the economy at this challenging time. You generally have some poems or short fiction out, and you can find that as at linktrip.e. slash helen-soulis Bowie. Yeah. Yeah. Linktruit. Dot.e. slash Helen Seulis Bowie.

I've not had anything up for a little while because of Christmas time. And of the things on there, I've only been paid money for two of them, so they're the only ones that exist. But yeah, we're going to continue to do podcasts every two weeks through 2021. Yeah. We'll be here looking at the Alibian Unreasonable Board, going mad. Yep. join us i would set up a patreon so that we could say this exists but i want plausible deniability so it's better that it doesn't and we'll leave you to it happy new year

happy new year bye thanks for listening fantastic and i never felt as good as how i do right now except for maybe when i think of how i felt that day when i felt the way that i do right now right now right now