You'll Hear It: Full Album Deep Dives with Jazz Musicians - Climb Into the 'Cade of Comments

Episode Date: June 15, 2021

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Are you looking to expand your musical horizons in a massive way? If so, you need to check out thoughts and experiments with solo piano, the first ever course from the 15-time Grammy-nominated pianist, Fred Hirsch, described by Vanity Fair as the most arrestingly innovative pianist in jazz over the past decades. Equal parts Zen Master, psychologist, and old school piano teacher, Taskmaster, Fred Hirsch brings 45 years of experience as a master jazz pianist, and composer to bear in his teachings. Fred focuses you on the underlying process of music making,

regardless of the level of music information you have at your command, all in the service of helping you become a better solo pianist and a more creative and emphatic jazz musician. And as Fred says, love the music and it will love you back. So check out thoughts and experiments with solo piano from Fred Hirsch, available now exclusively at openstudiojazz.com. Now let's get into today's show. Hey, Peter.

Hey, Adam. You know what time it is? It's time for the Kade. Which Kade is that? You know. Kincade? Kavill, Kavle, Kavle, Kavle, Kavle, Kavle, Kavle, of Kavokov Kavokov of Kavkade of Kavit of Kavent of Kavis of Kavn, of Kavis. And you'll listen to the You'll Hear Podcast.

Music, music, advice, analysis, and a little bit of controversy. Perhaps. Coming at you, because it's Monday. It is Monday. So it's time for the comments. You know, we like to just, we like to comment on our own comments here. Yes. We like to dig ourselves a little bit.

And, you know, actually, Adam, we were just talking before this, and we had some positive things pulled up, and then I refreshed my page, and we actually have a new comment that just came in 14 minutes ago that pulls me back. I'm like Robert De Niro or whoever that was, you know, Al Pacino. I was out, and then they pulled me back in. Oh, I see what it is.

I see what it is. Yeah, yeah. That's going to be fun. We're going to get to that. It's going to be great. Yeah. So we just recorded a new listening episode of the podcast. It'll be premiering on,

premiering on Thursday called our seven favorite 90s albums. It's mostly Fresh Prince, Dr. Dre Yeah, Nas. Crash test dummies. Yeah, Nirvana.

Yeah. So, you know, we'll stick around and check that out. But, you know, on Mondays, we like to go through the comments on our podcasts and all our... You can't even keep a straight face, can you? Well, I can barely.

But because there's, like, a lot of entertaining stuff that we get. back from you all. Also, if you have any questions or comments, you can leave it in the comment here of the YouTube video or the podcast, and we'll get back to you. We will get back to you. You might even be featured on a Monday edition of Cavalcato comments. So what's this new comment that's bugging me? Okay, so it's not bugging me, but it's going to bug you in a second. So this is from Oscar Peter. We did a video called, actually, which one was, yeah, this was the, this was last weeks. Yeah, the Brotherhood of Man's Solo. It was a little bit of quick analysis. reaction to a great Oscar Peterson solo that is not necessarily known as like the greatest

Oscar Peterson solo ever. It's just high level O.P. playing like he always pretty much did in terms of what I've heard. Really fun swinging. It was a nice kind of Monday vibe. Oscar Peterson solo reaction and analysis. So I think we got some good comments. I don't know.

I remember. I think people enjoyed it. But we just got one 14 minutes ago. Not that we noticed things. It's not like, you know, what are they called a lifeo? We're kind of a lifeo operation here. Have you noticed that? What does that mean?

LIFO, L-I-F-O. What is that? Last in, first out. Oh, we are. Yeah. It's like you ever get on those buses at the airport in Europe, like Frankfurt? It's like a remote gate.

And you've got to think about, wait, do I want to get in first and they get stacked in the back? And then when it unloves. Right. And I'm right by the door. And then I'm the first on the plane. So that's kind of the way retreat comments. Last in first out. So this is from Big Al descended master.

Let's just, you know what? Let's unpack that name. You know, because. That's a big one. You're looking closer. I can't tell if it's Big Al or big AI descended master. Big AI would be so much better. It might be big AI.

This might not be a real person. This might be a bot, right? This could be a. Oh my God. If this is an AI bot that's commenting on our videos, I'm so excited because also it's not hostile, but it is a bit. He uses the word potty train.

So it's sorry. Sorry, guys. Referred to us, I think. Which I love. That means it's like I'm not old. as I thought I was. Yeah. This is on our Oscar Peterson

solo reaction analysis where he's playing Brotherhood of Man and it was quite a bluesy solo as all of Oscar of Peterson solo is going to be. But Big Eye, Descendant Master says, sorry guys.

Idiomatic blues playing is simpler than your overcomplicated analysis. Oscar is playing 6-1-2-flat-3-3 in E-flat with embellishments. Wow, that sounds like an over-complicated analysis yourself, Big AI.

I was in my late 20s when the jazz educational industrial complex was founded, and the blues scale as you employ it was created as part of a curriculum when you were being potty trained. When I was being potty trained, Winthrop Sergeant was preparing his book, Jazz Hot and Hybrid, New York, 1946. If you have any interest in the blues... Best potty trading ever, New York, 1946.

If you have any interest in the blues idiom, please take a look. It's simpler than you make it. Okay, let's work our way backwards. Let's life owe our way through this comment. It's simpler than you make it. So the blues idiom is simple. We just listened and enjoyed it.

But no, it's simpler. Go read a book about it from 1946 called Jazz Hot and Hybrid. That probably has, you know, 450 by Winthrop's Sargent. Now, this may be a great book. I apologize that I'm totally ignorant to this book. Do you know anything about this? I have no idea. I'm Googling it now.

Well, I've got to pull up on Amazon and it's available hardcover or paperback. But the thing is, like, Why do we have to go read a book about the blues to know the blues? That could be interesting. It could be fun. Blues people by Leveri Jones. Amira Baraka is one of my favorite books about jazz and American music, Black American music. I think it's a masterpiece.

I love reading about blues at the intersection with jazz and all these different things. But I think what we were doing on this was I wouldn't call it an overly complicated analysis. I mean, we often are, well, it's funny. We're accused of not going deep enough, not understanding enough, and just being like too much woo and stank face so well guilty is charged guilty as charge yeah but I love how I say it's overly complicated

and then he's like plays a say and then he says something I don't even understand 6 1 2 flat 3 major 3 and E flat with embellishments and I don't know about the whole potty train thing here's what a nerd nerd I am I just bought the book are you serious bam Amazon one one click

I just want to see what all the hubbs about did you get the paperback or the hard come there's only paperbacks they're only used and there was a very good No, I see a jazz hardcover for $9.95 right here. I don't know. I didn't get that one. Yeah, okay. Amazon.com.

Anyway, there you go. Now, the next comment I'd like to highlight. It's so great. Big shout out, thank you, big AI. This is from, because we're talking about names on YouTube. This person's username is, you know what? The YouTube username thing is not understood well on YouTube. I feel like on Facebook, on Twitter, people understand how it works.

Instagram. For some reason, YouTube, there's some funny things. like big AI or whatever. But I don't think people understand. It must be Big Al. It must be. If he was born in the 40s or. Descended mass.

Was he descended from the, I don't know. I don't know. But this person's handle, as it were, on YouTube is my account Gmail. Not my account Gmail, but like that's their name.

That's their, yeah. Yeah. Anyway, they had a comment on our just finish from a few minutes ago, seven favorite 90s albums that you referred to.

I smashed the like because, well, I liked it. It's just that simple. Thanks, guys. Like you're using. name it's a simple comment it's a simple comment man nothing wrong with that

nothing wrong with that yeah oh I got a nice one here from what is this regla regla girl is that regal regala girl regular I don't know how to say that but so this was on I did a video last week called diminished scale triads yeah with Adam Manus that was a fun one and Mike Brecker situation yeah yeah also all about these like triad shapes I'm going to have keyboards up. Well-oiled machine. All about these triad shapes.

And this must have been their first, regular girls' first viewing of one of these guide of practice sessions. I like the repetition after you explain the comments because that's what the guide of practice session is all about. That's right. We do one simple thing and then we just practice it in different ways.

That's why I like them so much. Absolutely. And then here's one. I love it when folks jump back on a little hidden jam, not hidden in terms of it's all there on the channel but something that we almost forgot about because we've moved on. And that was one of your,

one of my favorite episodes of yours when you kind of went off the jazz path just a little bit. I'm not talking about the Shade one. That was fun too. But this is the three iconic clavinet grooves. Oh, yeah. That's gotten some nice attention,

kind of ebbs and flows and then it percolates back up to the consciousness. I know, I know, I know. But this is from Bill. Withers? Oh, that's amazing. Bill Grab. So this is what's interesting.

Some people just like, like we got people's first names. Don't be afraid to put your name on YouTube. as you're using it. I think that's where people get thrown off. They think they have to come up with something anonymous. Yeah. It's okay.

We're not gonna chase you down. It's all good. But Bill says, Parliament sounds awfully similar to Frank Zappa or vice versa. Just a little button on that. I would be surprised if both of those groups weren't listening to each other in the 70s. That's right.

You know? George Higgins says, whoa, this is from that same diminished scale triads video. Whoa, thinking about it like it's the seventh chord plus the tritone sub makes so much sense. Holy crap. So what George is talking about there, This is something we talked about on the podcast about the diminished scale itself.

Yes. One of the ways that I like to think about the half-hole diminish scale that oftentimes will unlock it for people is descending. So if we're C, half-hole diminish, and if you descend that scale, what you get is the first four notes of the C-Mixilidian. Yes. On the way down. And then the first four notes of its tritone sub, G-flat.

G-flat-7. So you have C-7, G-flat-7. Yeah. So it's like a little contained, a little self-contained tritone sub. And by the way, it's also. And it's eight notes too, which is eight notes. But because it's diminished scale, it's also E-flat-7, A-7. And it's also G-flat-7, C-7, you know, A-7.

Yeah, that's great. And that reminds me, and I'd never thought about it like that. So thank you. But remember when I showed you, or we did something together, and I was talking about the altered scale. And I said, you know, it's like a diminished half-hole scale. going up until the third and then it's a whole tone scale. I remember you were like, wow, I never thought about it like that.

And it's like these different ways of first thinking about them and then when you can apply to how you hear things and then like take other little fragments that you would play over those parts, but you never applied to that particular scale because you hadn't thought about it that way. It can be really fun. Here's a nice little critique. This is an old video. This was actually the first series of solo YouTube videos I did when you were on. Oh, I know what you're looking at. Barry Harris' six diminish scale, the basics. Okay.

And Clint Jones' comments. It's not that complicated. You just stick a diminished between each inversion of a major or minor six chord or any chord just won't fit with the diminished scale anymore. Then you can come up with a harmonic or melodic ideas for the use of that one chord. Yeah, not that complicated. That was a complicated a. That was a.m., what you just said, though. Yeah, Clint, not easy breaking stuff down, is it, buddy?

That's great. I thought you were going to talk about there was another one that. I believe it was from your OG solo. You'll hear it at the other piano in the studio for basic chord voicing. Every jazz music. Oh, is there really? I love that video. Yeah.

He's like, I mean, if there was any video that shot you up to jazz tutorial, YouTube startup, it would probably be that one, wouldn't you say? That got very popular. Yeah. So Nicholas says, think it's better if you can get an electric piano connected so it's easier to see what you're playing. Of course, it won't sound as beautiful as that. piano but nice lesson this is obviously someone that has only seen that last yeah yeah and I don't want to say it's lazy because maybe after they made this comment first of all anyone who makes a

comment is not lazy no we love the comment we love the comment but I don't know if you went on a deeper you might have got sidetracked by some other videos after this point because you would have seen the many videos that Adam has done as you say connected the electric panel connected to the computer i.e. midi. light up keyboard i.e. overhead keyboard that kind of thing peter do you remember our episode called Getting a Modal Sound on Standards? Getting a moat? No, never heard of it. If you saw us here in this thumbnail, you'd be like,

when was that? 1998? Emerson Shirok just commented, you guys are the car talk of jazz, and I love it. Extremely insightful, advanced content delivered with humor. This is Jazz Theory Nirvana. Thank you, Emerson. That was really sweet. Thank you, man. Yeah. That's good. And that

was a recent comment. That was. That's what I'm saying. I love it when these come come up and it's like you know a lot of positive comments on the fred hirsch opera va video that we launched a few weeks ago yes and then we had some good comments on the live at open studio brazil this was pre-pandemic um live stream that we did before we even had fully immersed ourselves in the streaming world out of necessity and this is always fun when people you know discover this they probably were sent that after watching maybe homero lubambos one of his recent live streams because a lot of times that'll kind of recommend that next but highly

recommend that live at open studio Brazil edition it's called and um favel says the band is amazing amazing how insensitive i think it's the song how insensitive not amazing how insensitive they are i'm pretty sure that's what he meant deep modicons commented on our oscar peterson solo uh reaction in alice video hearing you guys speak about subjective music as quote corny or quote great doesn't sit right. You know what, deep modicons, hearing you speak to our objective analysis of subjective music doesn't sit right either. But we're not going to end on a negative note. I'm just kidding. Yeah, I know you that. But, oh, you know, we haven't mentioned speaking of not sitting right, perhaps, is the video analysis of your video analysis of a video solo of Melissa Lidal-Donner.

Are we allowed to talk about that? The what? No. We had somebody did a video about your video. I know. And we don't need to go deep into it. But big shout out to Andy, I believe the gentleman's name is a bebop connoisseur, old school of nature. I would imagine in terms of musical aspirations and lineage.

But he went to the trouble of making a video about your video, even like stopping as you went and doing an analysis of an analysis. So it's a little bit of an aunt on an ant's back. in the sun type of situation. It's a little bit of a hat on a hat on a hat. It's the Russian wooden thing. Maybe gone around the bin. But respect for instead of just leaving a comment of making your own damn video.

Yeah. And then maybe we'll go out on this because this is one of our actually, I think artistically greatest videos ever put on this channel. Talking about the YouTube channel. I know we're on the podcast, but we're talking about the YouTube channel

because that's how we do it. But we put out one of the performances from Fred Hirsch's brand new course for, us thoughts and experiments with solo piano and he did some just amazing i mean he's fred hers so you know doing amazing performances is actually what he does the teaching if you haven't had the pleasure of taking a lesson or seeing a workshop with him it's amazing that's an amazing another facet to him that we've learned about i'd heard about it for years from you know

sullivan fortner and jason moran and many of the younger generation of players that have studied with him but he just did these amazing performances um many of them rather short like oprah vob the great Charlie Parker Bebop Blues. And we captured him in, I think, some really beautiful video and audio at a fantastic studio on a piano that Fred just loves up in New York. And so we have that video out with a great transcription of it. And folks are really loving that. Michael says, astonishing in every sense. Fred brings so much to Parker's beautiful blues than I could ever have imagined.

And Wade Cottingham says, OMG, the new course from Fred Hirsch is priceless, incredible resource for playing piano better. worth $100,000, easily. Wow. It's amazing resource. So I'm so glad that you chose that to go out on, but I do have one more. Okay. I think it's a little bonus, Jonas,

that you're really going to love. Nice. So we did an episode, a couple months back called the seven greatest jazz solos, asterix. Yeah, we always put the asterisk. One of them was Charlie Parker solo

from Bird with Strings. And I don't remember exactly what was said, but I'm sure that the obo was talked about. Mitch Miller. Big shout out to Mitch Miller. So someone, named Michael Griffin said Love all this gents

But I think the oboe is important Having the oboe there to state parts of the melody Straight kind of gives the audience the basic melody And then on to Byrd to take us On to the Journey I could tell by Peter's body language here I mean but this is so kind of missing the point Kind of missing the point that we didn't say

It was more about the Not that the oboe isn't needed or welcome It's the intensity The volume The obtrusiveness with which the obo is presented on that recording that we perhaps objected to on the pot, right? I don't remember

what we said, but we've said so much about Mitch and the obo on that album that I can only imagine. It's obtrusive. There's no two ways around it. There's no two ways. But he makes a good point that it is a juxtaposition that I, in my opinion, I don't think is needed. I would rather hear Bird play the melody, but

yeah, that's me. Yeah. Cool. Well, we have crept our way through a cavalcade of comments once again, and it's always a pleasure. Thank you guys so much for all the positive, the negative, and the in between. We really appreciate anyone taking the time to make a comment. You can leave that on the YouTube channel.

You can also leave us a rating or review. We actually have a rating or review. Do you want to hear that? Yeah, because you know what? We're getting back on and I apologize that we've fallen off this a little bit. You know what? We're recommitting this something. Are you ready for this, Adam? I'm putting it out there live. Okay. So, if you leave us

a rating and a review, wherever you you listen to podcasts. Oh boy. That could be Apple podcast. Where else could it be? Google Pot. I don't even know any other podcast. Google Play. Some people listen that if you have an Android or Stitcher, which is an aggregator a podcast. That's what that is. Thank you. Leave us a rating review and we ask for we're greedy. I'm not going to lie. We ask for seven

stars if possible. Some of the systems have been limiting us and we haven't mentioned this in a while. They've been trying to stick to this five star system. So in that case, just do whatever you have to do but then maybe say seven stars in the comments or something. Yeah, or seven emoji stars will work to. That's right. Force it. Force it in there. However you have to do it. But we did get a comment just yesterday on Apple Podcasts and a review, a rating review. I love it.

And this is from Japan actually because it says, I'm hearing from Japan. And then the whole review is written in Japanese in kanji. Love it. Domayagato goes amaz for that. But then it's also translated into English, which is, I really appreciate a gaku g-a-k-u i hope i'm saying your name correctly gaku from japan and they say i'm hearing in japan honestly i'm not good at understanding english but i can continue to listen to the podcast due to interesting story i also can learn english and jazz so i'm happy and i'm looking forward to the new episodes awesome so that's so great thank you for that and um there's one earlier one

two seven stars is the name of this reviews they got the message my favorite podcast about music, it's like sitting in a coffee shop listening to two jazz masters talk about their crap. Well, I mean, it often goes into theory of techniques out of my depth, but in a way that's intriguing rather than intimidating. I've also taken classes online from both of them

and can definitely recommend one over the other. No, they definitely both. Sorry, that would have been funny. It's definitely Peter. I actually prefer the online forum because I can rewind, listen again, slow it down, get frustrated, and come back to it later. Give it a

shot. This is from Crow's Nest Audio Labs in the USA. So thank you so much for that. Amazing. That's so great to hear. Yeah. Yeah. And there's some more, but they're called noodles and stuff. We're going to do that one next. Next time. How about that? That's awesome. Okay. Well, thanks, everybody. Until Thursday, you'll hear it.

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