You'll Hear It: Full Album Deep Dives with Jazz Musicians - Do We Care If There's Soul?

Episode Date: March 20, 2023

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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another episode of You'll Hear It, a comedic guide to jazz piano. I'm your host, Peter Martin, and this is Adam Maness, and we're here to help you unlock the secrets of this funky, soulful, and oh, so complicated genre. Now, I know what you're thinking. Jazz piano, isn't that just a bunch of dudes and suits noodling around on a keyboard? Well, sure, if you want to be reductive about it. But jazz piano is so much more than that. It's the sound of freedom, the rhythm of life, the essence of cool. And if you're not careful, it might just blow your mind.

So if you're ready to embark on a journey of musical discovery, then buckle up, my friends, because we're about to dive deep into the world of jazz piano. We'll talk about the legends of the past, the innovators of the present, and the wild, unpredictable future of this beloved art form. But most importantly, we'll learn how to play it ourselves. Because let's face it, there's nothing cooler. being able to sit down at a piano and bust out a killer jazz riff. Give me a killer jazz riff.

Yeah. It's like having a secret superpower that nobody else knows about. And who doesn't want to feel like a superhero every once in a while? So join me, Peter, Martin, and Adam Manus as we explore the fascinating world of jazz piano. Who knows? By the end of this podcast, you might just discover a new passion, a new talent, or at the very least a new appreciation for the power of music. Let's get started. I'm not a fan of jazz, and I don't think anyone in this room is a fan of jazz. I'm Adam Manus, and I'm Peter Martin.

And you're listening to the You'll Hear a podcast. Music advice coming at you. I got you on that one. That was good. That was good. I loved your intro, man. Did you write that yourself? Well, I'm like, why don't I tell you in advance? Okay, so I was good. I did. I, I did not. Did you write your little thing yourself too? I did not. Well, I kind of did. I requested it myself. Okay. I requested it from a new friend of mine. I know, I know. Chat GPT. Ever heard of that? That'd be something you might be interested in. No. Are you not interested in it? I creeps me out, man. Did you, I don't know if you watched back on the episode where you went all in on the chat GP with my bio and then with what else did we go in on with Open Studios bio? But it, no, no, it was, we were

talking about how to learn jazz. Oh, right. And you asked it. And it was so weirdly accurate. Right. That I was like, I don't like this at all. Was it weirdly better than we would say that?

It was weirdly, it was different than how I would have put it. But also I was like, there's some great points in this. Well, maybe they got them from us. I mean, we might be part of the Algo. I know, we're helping. That's what's creeping me out is like, we are helping the chat GPT and with every piece of content we put out talking about it. That's right.

So what I just read at the beginning, I asked GPD to come up with. a script as an intro to the podcast. So you guys can let us know in the comments. It was really good. I was inspired. Of YouTube if you think that's better than our usual intro. Because if it's better, I'm just going to ask it each week. I'm not sure when you said play a jazz riff I went, I don't know why I did that.

This is the first thing that came to mind. So, yeah, but this is the thing with chat GPT. I'm actually kind of excited about it a little bit. You're a fan of chat GPT? Well, I'm not willing to say it's a person. But I want to I want to ask you about a couple things. Well, I'll

say I'm a fan of the possibilities because I like technology and it's not even technology I like new ideas sue me I love new ideas but I like kind of I mean think about if 15 years ago I had said you Adam what if there was a platform in which you could record videos yeah you know talking about piano instruction or whatever the hell you want to and it could be dispersed to people around the world on their own devices but only people that would potentially be be interested that are pre-selected, pre-screened, and then floated in front of them. What would you say? That would have been like network TV only, right?

15 years ago? Yeah. I'm like, oh, like the real player. Oh, remember the real player? Why are you doing it like that? I don't know. Real player. That's what we used to do. Oh, R-E-A-L. Yeah, yeah. Wasn't that a Mark Cuban thing? No, but that was like audio only, wasn't it? No, you could, I used to watch. Okay, we'll go back 20 years ago. We'll go back 20 years then. Oh, 25. Okay. Anyway, but pre-U-U-tube I'm saying, you would have thought YouTube was crazy and scary. Gioces? Gio cities?

Gio cities? Hello. Yeah, but I mean a lot of times these things are scary. Now, yeah, chat GPT and AI is the potential that the robot overlords will take us over. That is a downside. I just read this thing that it's possible that's already happened, then we don't even know it. Really? Why would they tell us?

Why would they tell it? Yeah. Well, that was, but that even that story has already happened. That's called the Matrix, and the Matrix Tumes and Matrix Reloaded. I'm saying. But I think for stuff like this, it's kind of interesting. You know, to see, you know. But the other side that what musicians have been talking about,

I think we maybe hit on this a little bit in that last time we talked about this. But I want to get your opinion on what do you think, not that it's going to be able to write a script to a podcast intro. We already see it can do that. Yeah. But what about, can it, is AI going to be able to improvise a jazz solo? Or is it doing it already? Eventually it will be able to.

I mean, Caleb was just telling us at our meeting before this episode. Producer Caleb. Producer Caleb was telling us that he saw someone, you know, use it to, or was it you this, to write a song. That was Caleb. Yeah, put in like the idea for it, and then it would write song lyrics. But that was just lyrics. Yeah, just lyrics, but it was not bad.

And like, but that's, you know, like, if it can do stuff like, and your intro was not bad. Right. And this is like the first year. Like this time last year, we didn't know what the hell chat GPT was. Right. You know? So like the first year of it, and it's already not bad.

Yeah. By five years from now, yeah, it's going to be able to improvise like Artatim. It's like the Beyond Burger. It's pretty good. It's not quite a regular burger, but it's getting better. It's getting better. Yeah, so to me, it's both, I agree that it's both exciting, and I don't want to come across like I'm not excited about that technology

because part of me is excited, but also I'm just weary of it because, you know, for so many ethical reasons. Right. Well, I like the challenge of it for us as improvising musicians, as jazz musicians, just as creatives in general, because you talk about some areas that it's already infringing upon, and like visual arts design. I mean, you know, tell Dali,

which is like the chat GPT for visual stuff, tell it to create a, you know, a logo for a, you know, wood company that's that, yeah, it can already do that. Now, but I like the challenge of it because it's like, it's not really going to take anything over if we can still do it better. So when we talk about us as improvisers, like is it something that can be reduced down to, an algorithm or an AI formula to come up with a solo.

Because we've talked about for years, even before this was on the menu, some players that sound like they're playing AI style, right? Yeah, but here's the thing. So that's where we first go, right? It's like, oh, yeah, you know, if it's a player that sounds like their AI or it seems very formulaic,

yeah, of course, AI can do that. You know, we just watched and we were just honoring the amazing Wayne Shorter, and we would like to think AI would never be able to touch a human soul. Yeah. as Wayne Shorter, but the thing that freaks me out and I'm scared of is everything that happens, every event is algorithmic.

There are causes and predictions that you can make from it. And so I fear that it would be able to improvise better and even more, like you could, you could dial in how soulful and present and collaborative the AI is eventually, 10 years from now or five years from now, whatever it is, you know what I mean? And so, yeah, we want to think like, oh, yeah, I could recreate this, you know, very stiff, formulaic player that's just a bunch of chops. But I think if it's really improving, because it is artificial intelligence, it does learn on its own. It's going to learn how to recreate Alice Coltrane records. Right.

But if you think about, so like the, yeah, the language, they talk about the language model and how it can learn and it can take this data and start to incorporate what's already doing that, incorporated into creating something. But that's what we've seen many jazz musicians do over the same. the years. Of course. It's how you do things. I mean, it's doing the same thing jazz musicians do, but it can do it like a hundred million times faster than our brains can do it. Right, but that's only bringing in all the influences, bringing in all the information. Aren't we going to always need, and this is the question, rhetorical question. I don't know. Aren't we going to need the, isn't there the human element to then layer that creativity? Like Wayne Shorter, you can hear all the saxophonists and jazz lineage before him, but then he created something new. But this is the thing, Peter, once AI realizes how Wayne Shorter did

that, it could also make something new out of everything that came before. But isn't that something kind of spiritual and more esoterical? Well, so this is the next question. Like, what are the ingredients that go into making that? If it can make an Alice Coltrane record, something that seems so earthy and like, both earthy and from out of this world for another planet, and also is like spiritual and related to what happened before it, if it could actually do that, right? Well, let's say it can. It can get there creatively. Does it matter? Would we not enjoy it? Like, what if it could What if it could touch us in that same way, should it matter if it's a computer doing it or if it's a human doing it? Yeah.

I think we're so far away from that happening, whereas some of these other things, I think we're already there or we're going to be there soon. I mean, that's the thing, though. That's, I feel like the human hubris and ego is that, yeah, that'll never be able to do that. But look at what I already can. Look at your intro. It can already surprise us and delight us a little bit in the first few months of it being sort of around and at scale. What happens in 10 years? which is not that long away.

What happens in 10 years when it's been learning all this time, I think we have to at least allow for the possibility that not only can do what we're doing artistically and reach us in meaningful ways because it's going to figure out how to do that. Bless you. Excuse me.

I love to do that on the podcast. But we have to also, if we want to let go of a little bit of our arrogance, think that in some ways it's going to surpass what we're able to do artistically and we have to be ready for that. Yeah. Now listen, people that like you and me that were born.

Replace me. We were born in the 20th century. Yeah. We'll never accept it. It'll never feel, we'll never be able to get a pheromone going with it. But you just said if it sounds as great. But this is the thing. It doesn't it, it has to go beyond, oh, I've learned how to play something or create a track as great as Alice Coltrane did by studying her and other musicians.

I put this thing together. Well, I can do that now. Like that's not good enough just to equal that. Or to be... No, but I'm saying what if it gets to the point where it can innovate, like Wayne Schorter or Alice Coltrane or Michael Brecker or something like that? Yeah, will we need there to be a human attached to that? Are we going to feel like I don't want to just be entertained by...

That's my question. Will it matter to us? Right. Even if it surpasses what that innovation does. Are we captivated by innovation because it's another, you know... I think so. It's another human being doing it. And we can watch that and be like amazed that, oh my gosh, this person figured this out.

You know, does it take some of the magic away, even if it sounds incredible and, and, like, somehow moves us in a way that is real? Does it take some of the magic away knowing that it was just made by an algorithm? Right. I don't know. Okay. So let's end this segment on, we don't know. But we are actively, well, I'm actively awaiting. You are fearfully awaiting.

I feel like we should just go back to simplicity. But in jazz, you know, we play all the notes. 12 notes of the scale, dip shit. Right. Not three chords on an ukulele. See, I'm saying three chords on an ukulelele. all day. Right. Well, one thing jazz musicians have mastered is all 12 notes, overplaying

them, so there you go. What you got? So I wanted to talk a little bit about, I made this video, we're delving into a new medium, the short medium. So we're making... I've been delving into that medium my whole life, sir. Oh, I feel like it was a pun. That was a height pun. No, we're making some, we've been making some short

content, like minute or less instructional content, which you've never really done. You know, I joke all the time around the offices here that I can't make a YouTube video under 20 minutes. It's just like always 21, 22 minutes, maybe like 50. Whereas I started, my lineage started at two minutes.

Yeah. With the two minute jazz series from 12 years ago. Well, it's funny how things come back around. That's right. I had bad timing on that. Because now, you know, a lot of the platforms are pushing, I think because the influence, TikTok has had such an influence man on,

on our... What is it called? I haven't heard of that. TikTok. TikTok. Yeah. Tickety-tok. Possibly banned by the time this episode comes out. Are you on TikTok?

No, man. You know, I have an account and sometimes I'll download it on my phone and I'll literally spend one session. Excuse me, I'll lose my voice. I'll spend one session on it and I'll be like nope off the phone. It's too yeah speaking of like the computer overlords are coming for us. I'm like nope. It like it captures my attention in a way that I feel like pretty negative about it. I'm like you shouldn't be able to like get me at my base level this much with just all the stuff it's throwing at me that just keeps me on there. But you enjoy that at that base level like you're enjoying it as you go but then you're thinking about

the manipulation of your attention in my own personal like mindfulness practice you start to really start recognizing cheap dopamine hits yeah right that happened with sugar

and booze and sex and TikTok yeah sugar booze sex TikTok yeah I mean there are the four the big four all of those things can be enjoyed you know in a way that is not a cheap dopamine

hit but I feel like TikTok definitely is by definition a cheap dopamine hit and so what those dopamine hits at least for me then this might be above the purview of this podcast. But like, it's, it's a hollow feeling, right? It's like when you get off TikTok,

you don't feel like, inspired to it. I feel like, like you just listened to, you know, we were just last episode listening to Wayne Shorter with the Miles Davis Quintet. Like, I listen to that. I feel like, like, like nutrients were added to my soul. Yeah, I want to go out and make things and like live life and go sit in the park and like,

when I'm on an hour of TikTok, I get off feeling like, man, I should really do some sit-ups. You know, like, that's not a great... You feel slovenly? You just feel like you're not enough, and you feel, and you also feel like I just wasted all this time looking at all this BS and all this stuff.

So for me, that short... So that's all the same. So that's why you decided to start making shorts. I got it. But it has influenced all these other platforms, right? And so, you know, it's definitely trickled down to here at Open Studio. We're trying to reach people with what we think is the most amazing art ever made, which is, you know, this great improvised music.

Yeah. And music in general and piano and celebrate it. So we are, we're starting to sort of delve into the shorter form content stuff. So I made this, this video on Instagram that's called a Killin Harmonic warmup. Yeah. And it's been, it's really taken off. I know. I noticed it.

Yeah, I got, I got some good, uh, film cred to me, I think, by the way. You took the video. Yeah. I was the videographer on that. I feel like it's mostly the videography. That really made it sparkle. No, but it's really blown up, and I was surprised because it's like the first thing I've done that's short. Yeah.

You know, I'm the 22-minute guy. Like, that's what I kind of consider myself. But it just goes to show like- Short was 19 minutes for you. Yeah, exactly. It just goes to show that your own expectations can limit what you're doing. You know, if you put the expectations, whether that's on like limiting beliefs. Me making lesson content for, you know, people online or just what you play.

I'm the 22-minute guy. I'm the blues-lit guy. I'm this, the stride guy. We can be more than one thing. Leave it open. Like, leave yourself open. Challenge yourself to new things. But it's a, and it's a beautiful little warm up here that we've been working on in Open Studio Pro a lot, which is just you go up diatonic seventh chords and drop two.

And then you add the secondary dominant for each one. Right. Just the dominant chord or fourth below, except from the seventh, because the seventh kind of sucks. And then you do those same dominant chord, but with the third in the bass and it'll drop three. And this is what gets people Yeah, right here. It's so beautiful. And then you do the same thing

with the third and the bass, but it's a moot chord, which we're going to talk about next episode. It's so beautiful. It's a very simple harmonic warm-up, but what it does, I think, is it hits approaching diatonic seventh chords in these three different ways.

It's very appealing because you get to kind of work on different sounds of approaching these things. Yeah, no, I think it's great. And I think that, you know, you put that video together in a way that it demonstrated, it kind of showed instead of told

how to do something. Because that's one thing with a minute. You don't have a lot of time sitting down and really explaining things out. But you did explain this musical pattern and that's also very useful in terms of like if somebody wants to take that and incorporate that into their practice or they're playing.

And it sounds good. So I think those kinds of things really, really can work. And I love that, you know, the thing I do like about, shorts is like can we can we meet people where they are as opposed to being like oh everyone's attention pan sucks if you're not willing to listen for 22 minutes we're not interested in you it's like well clearly they're on to something and we can sit around to be you know old tinfoil head guys I love being dogmatic

about things and also being very conspiratorial about it right but we can also be I think that we are trying to be sort of we always been the spirit of how we present stuff is like let's be part of the solution is that a part of the problem so yeah you can go on TikTok and get sick after an hour, but what about if you were watching 60 Adam and Peter one minute instructional videos that were well put together, and some other folks? Would that be something you might be interested in? Like, would you feel better after that 60 minutes?

Maybe 60's a little too long, but maybe 20 minutes of that. Yeah, I would hope so. But I mean, yeah, even after 5, 10 minutes, whatever, the idea is just to spread the beauty of, and you know, you said like, it's a pretty sound. You know, it turns out, Peter, I don't know if you know, people actually do like things that sound pretty. Yeah, exactly. Things that look pretty,

things that sound pretty, things that feel pretty. Yeah. Things that taste pretty. That's how TikTok gets you. Anyway, all right, cool. Do we got time for one more?

Yeah, do one more. Okay. Oh, yeah, you guys can let us know we're kind of experimenting. Actually, you know what? We can just talk about that with this.

I want to talk to you about podcasting. That's it. You know why? Why? Because you are a podcaster, my friend. As am I? Am I?

This is very meta. Isn't everybody? Isn't every dude our age a podcaster? No, that's the thing. Everyone wants to be or talks about it. Very few are. And as many people as they're saying, there's too many podcasts, there's all this.

Like, I still find that there's not that many great, great podcasts. Because what happens is, like, podcasting is like, we're talking about shorts. Podcasting is long form. Like, we can never do a one-minute podcast. That wouldn't work. No. Even our pithy intros are longer than a minute.

No. But I mean, I think that what's cool about podcasts is they do go deep. They go narrow and they go very deep. They're about discussions and stuff. And so, you know, although there's many, many podcasts coming online, something that we've been talking about recently is like the future of this podcast, especially coming into the new year and all this and what we want to do. And so I've just been trying to like really figure out what people like about this, what I like about it, what you like about it. Like is this serving folks in a way. And so we go by the comments and the feedback that we get, which is kind of funny because the easiest place for us to see that is actually on YouTube.

part of the reason we put these did you know we're on YouTube by the way? I do. Are you keeping up with this? It was my idea. Oh, it was your idea. Okay. So, yeah, and if you're not subscribed,

please go over there because, like, a little part of our dopamine hit each day is when we both get a little vibration in our pockets. Every new subscriber that comes along. YouTube has really got us wrapped around their finger. No, but we have our own. There will be a link below, but we have the you'll hear a channel, separate from Open Studio,

separate from the Adam Manus channel, separate from the Peter Martin channel and all that. Just dedicated to video versions artfully and beautifully curated. There's going to be some good stuff curated on that channel too. Really? We go live all the time. Long form, we never go live. Long form interview.

Oh, that's right. Coming soon. With a legend. Right. Right. But leave us a comment on this video, even if you're listening to this somewhere else, kind of like what you think about the different formats we have, what you're looking for. We may do it. What do you've been listening to podcast-wise lately? Well, as you know, I have kind of my favorites. And this is the thing. That's what I was saying. There's something that I'm really interested in,

but I never get to because the ones that, that I love are all long form. Rich Roll podcast, ever heard of him? I love the Rich Roll podcast. It's a great show. I like a podcast called My First Million. Partly because I like to take different ideas.

It's sort of a two-guy, buddy. Oh, for our podcast. A couple of bros sort of like we are. Business bros. Their business bros were jazz bros. So I take the good and the bad to avoid or whatever from that. But it's just a well-presented thing.

What about you? What have you been listening to? I've been listening to, I've been on a, I've been on a long form kick too. I've been on sort of a boring podcast tip lately. So I've been listening to this podcast from Yale University. You ever heard of it? Yes.

And this is from 2009. They started posting free podcasts of some of their lecture classes. And so I've been listening to a fascinating class, essentially. It's like a Yale class on game theory, which is really interesting. Oh, I love game theory. Oh, man. It's so good. And so I've been listening a lot to that.

I've been listening to a lot of Switched-on Pop lately, which is something that I kind of come back and forth with, again, to get some inspiration. Switch on Pop is great. Yeah. I want to just talk about that, about getting inspiration,

because we both now just mentioned a podcast that we listen to to get ideas for this show. One of the things, man, I've learned from hanging out with you, Peter, and other great people that are at the top of their game for what they do, and this is applicable to anything, not just making podcasts, but playing the piano or running a business

or having a relationship, but like you are so good and I've sort of adopted this at like seeing seeing other entities doing what you want to be doing right or something similar like this is like what what these people are doing I think we could get there and so I'm just going to absorb what they're doing and really just try to learn as much as I can from them and research what they're doing so for anybody out there that's sort of the Peter Martin method of like what you know even if we're talking about music or we're talking about podcasts or thumbnails for YouTube videos or YouTube videos, right? How much have we learned from just like who's doing what, like who's doing the best at what

we kind of want to do? Yeah. Like I'm always shocked at how little other people I know don't do this. They're just like, well, I guess, you know, we're going to make a YouTube video and we'll just try to do, I guess, what the best we can. Sorry, square to like, who's your favorite YouTuber? Who's your daddy? No.

Who's your favorite YouTuber? Right. And what are they doing? And it doesn't have to be who's your favorite music podcast or who's your favorite YouTuber? Because I think a lot of people get stuck in that trap. And it's really, you know what I learned this from? It was from playing jazz. Like we talk about jazz and how much it's like I'm so so much appreciation because I've gotten everything I need in life from jazz. You know, people think it's just about like learning the chords and like how to play specific things.

But it's like, you know, how do you take something and influence. but on a more nuanced level than just like, I'm going to copy that. Yeah. Or I'm going to go, because I want to play like Herbie Hancock, so I'm going to only listen to Herbie Hancock. That doesn't work, absolutely. You got to go listen to Wayne Shorter. Listen to the people he played with.

And little things, like, you know, we were, especially early days in our YouTube game when we were, like, getting the look of the things together. Yeah. You and I were trading back and forth a lot of, like, lighting videos, a lot of, like, you know, what gear to get and how to light your set. And it wasn't like music videos that were lit with.

No, it was like people that knew about lighting. or the stuff that we thought look cool. But then also these people who are like making these videos on lighting, they have like big followings and they're good YouTubers. And so we started copying even things of like, how is their desk editing desk set up. Right. You know,

and that it became the how my desk for my home YouTube setup is set up. Right. Like that's incredible advice. That's a famous YouTube studio there. Well, that I visited now. It's very impressive. Yeah.

But then that goes to everything from like running the business to everything we do. It's like find who it. is who's doing something similar and who is doing it in a way that really resonates with you. Yeah. And just just get your inspiration from as many of those sources as you can. It's great. So for me, you know, another thing that, sorry to interject, that you're really good about doing in your teaching specifically about practice routines is you know how you're always talking

about like listen to stuff that you have a passion for, be in a soul that you're learning or a way of practicing or a specific tune or whatever. I think that's so important for this. like say for podcasting as well because when we take these different references, it's stuff that like, and we're throwing around videos or podcasts, it's stuff that we love being entertained by it. So it's like you're taking the entertainment. So at least you're having fun with it, even if you don't achieve it.

And isn't that what we do as when we're young jazz? Yeah. It's like, oh, I love the way Wayne shirt. Let me try to learn that because I love the way it sounds. And this is a great point because we've all where we failed on this and this is a lesson that we'll try to, you know, you could take from us. And I encourage you to try to learn it here without. failing yourself. But where we failed is you see someone who's really successful, but maybe it

doesn't resonate with you. And then you're like, well, we should maybe, we notice what I said, we should probably try to do that because it works so well for them. Yes. Never works for you. Because you don't, it's, you don't back it up. It's not authentic to you. Right. So even if you find someone who's in a different space, and maybe even they're doing things that are different than how you would want it to end up, as long as you love what they're doing, again, no matter what the subject is, whether that's playing piano or making a podcast or running your business or running your family or buying a house or fixing up your house or whatever it is. Or starting a crime syndicate. It could work. All of it. Like being inspired of people that really light you up,

that's where the gold is. Right, right, right. No, that's great. That's great. And I mean, it's like the thing I think about too specifically applicable to when you're looking for inspiration, looking for fun, looking for a different angle, looking for a way to bring out your personality in doing something is like be innovative about what you choose as your reference so like if you're going to learn another solo learn a sunny ronald's solo on the piano yeah or if you're a saxophone player learn a thelonious monk solo on like if they move you don't do it because peter martin said to do it yeah no exactly no fine whatever you look but but this is you talk about limiting beliefs you mentioned that earlier it's like oh i have to learn a solo let me go think about my my favorite piano solos

to learn because i'm a piano so you're already limited yourself now are you going to learn something from learning of Thelone? Of course. But are you going to potentially learn more by going to another place and learning a vibraphone solo, Bobby Hutcherson or whatever? Or even bigger. I need to go learn something because it's all about developing your ears. It's not about that. It's like, how do you go on that journey? Go beyond even jazz. You know what I mean? Like we limit ourselves so much when we get these reference points and when we open up things. And that's part of the reason. And I would just ask for folks, you can let us know in the comments too. Like, I don't listen to a lot of music podcasts, although I'm super interested in them. Like switched on

pop I don't listen to a lot partly because I go in and out yeah but I'm so afraid of us copying it for this podcast so when I go for references for this I'm going to other things that I love too yeah I don't listen to other like there's a classical podcast that's uh what was it called I really like but I got to be careful because I'm going to start copying that exactly yeah yeah you know so but there's other great you know music podcasts out there I mean not as great as this of course never of course not never yeah all right I think that's about it so this podcast is Brought you by Open Studio. Go to Open Studio.

What's happening in Open Studio like this week? Well, we got to go to the future because this will be... Let's talk about this month. So we got some cool stuff this month. We do have some cool stuff. So we're releasing a course from Chris Parks. We're releasing a course from Jillian Margo, vocalist.

Mm. Releasing a course from probably Bob DeBoo if we can get time. All in March, man. This is a lot's popping off. Peter Martin? We are releasing a course by Peter Martin. All about amazing...

What was it? 27. 27. Essential. Jazz Piano A-2 with a book. That might be next month, though. It might be next month. There's a lot of work.

But we have, we put a goal for this first quarter, the first three months in 2023 to record six new courses. We're doing it, man. We have one more course to record, which is going to be called, you know. Essential elements of jazz appreciate. Oh, no, this is the listening course. Yep, what's it called? How to listen to jazz with Peter and Adam. Oh, that's this podcast.

Yep, what is it called? I don't know. We've named it. The Art of Listening. Oh, the art of listening. listening yeah anyway if you're an open studio we're still workshop in that title if you're an open studio member you get access to

all of these courses so you go to open studio jazz.com if you want to check out a member we also have a free trial if you want to check out the free trial nice yeah we'll provide a link to the field free trial there in the show notes you can check that out there until next time you'll hear it