You'll Hear It: Full Album Deep Dives with Jazz Musicians - The No. 1 Musician We Don't Talk About Enough

Episode Date: November 4, 2024

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I think I'm following that. I'm Adamannis. And I'm Peter Martin. And you're listening to the You'll Hearer podcast. Music. Explore. Explore. Welcome into our exploration.

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As is Open Studio Pro Go to Open StudioJad com slash pro To apply apply today. Peter, today we're taking some speak pipe. So we get to the first one. The first one is interesting. It's from Jason in the UK.

Hey, guys. Hey. I just listened to your What is Alt Jazz blog that you sent What is Alt Jazz? Sent out last December. I just sent you an Instagram message, but I don't if you see those things. But I just saw this

What's it called this Speak? Speak pipe. I like it. Anyway. I'm getting in touch because I'd love to know what the name of the track is that you use to, as the outro for the blog. Yeah, it's a wicked track. Love to get a hold of it. I was Shazambit and some really bad electronic music came up instead. You should try it.

You see what I'm talking about. I think he's talking about. Okay, first of all. Bye. Okay. This is so, wait, there's a lot to unpack. First of all, I love this guy's accent. Yeah.

Big shout out. Energy's off the charts. And there's a lot to unpack. What's the blog? I guess he's talking about the blog. podcast? Maybe? Okay. We've done a lot of different things, too. So we might have actually made a block. We might have. But I think he's, but we didn't have the music.

He might be referring to emotion, which is the theme song of this podcast. So for those of you don't know, this theme song. Wait, wait, keep it going. I'm going to shazam it too because he said what song is there? Anything. Strong button, but we're still, I did. It's coming up. Working on it. Can a little louder, please. Sorry. Nope, it gave up. Come on, Tim Cook.

Wait, let's try it one more time. We're going to start it again. Wait, wait. What song is this? Say that again? Can you say that again, please? This sounds like emotion and motion by Peter Martin. Sirius correct.

It is emotion and motion by Peter Martin. It's from your album. What Lies Ahead? What Lies Ahead? I almost said the next step. What Lies Ahead? And you're going to want to pick up your copy of what lies ahead. It's actually a great, great album.

Emotion in Motion is our theme song from that. Well, that was a long trip to get there. It was a lot. But did folks know, this will actually work, though? You can do a lot of stuff. Like, I will be in a coffee shop sometimes, listening to boring jazz. But something comes along with slightly less boring. Yeah.

Because, you know, I go to coffee shops all across this land. Yeah. And this is a big, big country. Vast, you know. So, but you can just, like, you can listen to something. And you can just hold down this button here. I believe it's called the, power button or something and you say what song is this is this a keynote we're getting

is this as good as tim apple does i don't think so anyway you can do that so shout out to what's the gentleman who left us a message you're jason jason so that yeah that he shazammed it and got me thinking about that it's by peter martin jason it's called the motion in motion we've got another question here peter by birch hey guys bertch here long-time listener and long-time speaker Piper. And I have two requests. I was hoping you guys can review any record that Charlie Hayden has played on. You doot, group record, whatever.

I just love his playing. He's my favorite bass player. Maybe my favorite musician. Secondly, he worked a lot with Carla Blay, and she has a song, Long. And I was just messing around with that and thinking how much I would love to hear the two of you guys jam on that and one of your session. Can't do that. Thank you, Burt. Thanks for doing what you do.

Thank you, Bert. We don't know that tune, but we'll look it up for a possible future episode. But we have put together a little bit of. a little bit of a Charlie Hayden appreciation playlist that Caleb is going to link to from our Open Studio Spotify. Peter, are you following us on Spotify? Because we're making

big moves over there. I am Open Studio on my Spotify. Yes, I'm self-following. I love it, man. We're making some big moves on our Open Studio channel, Spotify. A lot of playlist. We're going to put some playalongs up eventually from some of our classes. So go follow us over on Spotify, Open Studio. I do see that we've got the real

10 greatest jazz albums from the award-winning YouTube video. We've got our Open Studio Pro Fall Blue Season Playlists is up there as well as a nice little Thanksgiving jazz playlist. That beautiful logo. Charlie Hayden, one of our favorites as well. Yes. We don't talk about them enough. Right.

We haven't talked about them. I don't know why. The same reason we haven't talked about Carla Blay and some other great musicians. We're screwing up here. We're an amateur hour up in this big old country. But the idea here is that I love Charlie Hayden. So I'm so glad that one of our dear listeners whose name is escaping me already. Birch.

Birch. Um, Birch, thank you because it got me thinking about, um, and maybe I'll start with kind of one of my tracks and we can go back and forth. But, uh, I had the pleasure of being able to hang a little bit with Charlie Hayden back in the 90s when he was on, I believe he was on Verve as well. But we did some tours with Roy Hargrove and then with Joshua Remme with Charlie Hayden's group. He had great groups over the years, different groups, usually named. And this was in particular, his quartet West, it was called. It was all L.A. Cats, top L.A. Cats. Louis. Marble on drums.

Alan Broadband, much under-heralded, very well-known, did a bunch of movie and TV work, but great jazz pianists. Are you hip to Alan Broadband? I do know some Alan Broadband. I believe he did one of those Mayback Hall concerts, I want to think.

And I used to have those tapes. Fun pop culture fact about Charlie... Sorry, and Ernie Watts on Sax. That was the rest of the quartet. Thank you. Fun pop culture fact about Charlie Hayden. One of his daughters married to Jack Black. Wow.

Yeah, Charlie Hidden was Jack Black's father-in-law. That's very Los Angeles. It really is. Yeah, yeah. Was. Well, I guess he still is. Father-in-law. Yeah, I mean, okay.

Charlie Hayden sadly passed away. Right, okay. Let's want to make sure. Let's cut that out. Let's cut that. No, leave it in, man. We're keeping it real, man. We're keeping it real.

No, because you said is. I don't know. Are you still a father-in-law when you're no longer with it? We don't know. Sorry. Okay. So, so Charlie Hayden, let's start with this. You're in a very mischievous mood right now.

I just, I feel like we should keep the cameras rolling all day, Caleb. Because Peter is, he's saying stuff that's really fun. What, really? I mean, yeah. Okay, good. Let's give me going. Let's go. Okay, so the first one I'm going to put, you've got some really great ones on here that we could have done for sure.

But this is, I'm going to focus on this because I have a good story about the Corsette West and Charlie in from back at that 90s time. We're going to listen to background music from Always Say Goodbye. And this record is cool because it's all like supposed to be film noir, Los Angeles, Hollywood, old school stuff. So it's got a whole thing. But it's also kind of West Coast musicians that I think Charlie Hayden on the jazz, you know, the wet, what do you call that West Coast Jazz? I guess you call it West Coast Jazz? Cool Jazz, a little bit. Yeah, but this is even a little bit like Wayne Marsh, you know, that whole scene there.

So this is Wayne Marsh's background music, Quartet West. It's like West Coast Bebop, host Bob. A great tune. Yeah. So Charlie Hayden's sound was so distinctive. This is the way he sounded live when I heard. Well, it's the same guy. Ernie Watts, of course, famously on the Tonight Show for many years.

And, you know, the thing I love about West Coast jazz players. And, like, this goes all the way up, I think, to today, a lot of the players I know from out there, you know, Billy Child. And, you know, like, there's always this connection with the movies and with television and film. And, like, like, the jazz players being on session. and stuff like that, because that was the work that was available. It was very lucrative, great work from a number of players. So the jazz players out there, they always had a different kind of sound, but to say that they weren't swinging and bebop versed would be a mistake because they clearly were.

Totally agree. Yeah. Totally agree. My first pick is going to be this album. This is funny. You know how you sometimes find albums when you're young? I remember I borrowed this from the library, this album, because I was just getting into jazz, and I was like, oh, Charlie Hayden, he's a jazz musician.

It's from an album called Nocturne. So good. It features Gonzalo Rubalcaba on piano. And this is Nocturnal from Nocturn. And it's all about Cuba. Gonzalo, maybe underrated of the century pianist. It's just incredible musician. I love that Bert said that Charlie Hayden is not only his favorite bass player,

but maybe his favorite musician, because I think of Charlie Hayden as doing all of these incredibly diverse, but very musically interesting concepts throughout his entire career, into the later stages of his career, doing things like this. Yeah. You know? Yeah. And doing things like the Steel Away album that I'm about to play.

I just love it so much, man. And this whole album is really understated and beautiful. Gonzalo is playing some of the best piano you'd ever hear. It's a fantastic record. The tunes are like incredibly viby, all of them. I'm adding it back into my place. I just listened to this record a bunch years ago, and it's so fun when ones,

they're kind of sleepers, they're a little under the radar, but then like smart cats that are great musicians, you hear them talking about it, and then it's like, oh, yeah. Well, you've heard that vibe. Yeah. Who doesn't want to live there for a minute?

Exactly. You know what I mean? And I was just looking, because I was trying to remember, I was like, was Charlie Hayden from Missouri. Yeah. And I was like, no, he's from Iowa, actually. No.

Shenandoah, Iowa. We claim him, for sure. But I was like, what was the connection? He went down and was doing, well, you know, he had like this, he came up in this family band. Yeah. His whole family, and when he was like really young, was kind of a, not a protege, a prodigie. But he went and they were on the show, Ozark Jubilee. Not a prologie, but a prodigie.

Ozark Jubilee. Yes. Yeah, that's crazy. In Springfield, Missouri. Yeah. Back when Springfield, Missouri, sorry. Yeah. You know, which is down there in that Arkansas.

It was a radio show and then it was a TV show, was it? for a while. I think you could see some episodes on YouTube. Yeah. And they said to save money for his trip. So he wanted to go to L.A. because, and I was like, I know he had early L.A. things. He was out there. He wanted to go here to play with Hampton Haws. Yeah.

Or to hear him or there was something. He turned down a scholarship to go to Oberlin and went out to L.A. And like within a couple of years was playing with a lot of the, you know, Art Pepper. And of course, I think we're going to hear some of the Ornette Coleman. He was very young, like 21 years old when he appeared on that iconic record. And then I was trying to remember like his illness. He had polio as well when he was very young. He was a recovering, which kind of some of the ailments stay with you for life.

I know David Sanborn, I went through that. And they're all kind of like, I think my dad's age and my dad's always tell me stories about how polio was like, that was a real epidemic or pandemic or it was a big deal, you know. So, you know, speaking of family bands. And speaking of, we talked about, we talked about Charlie Hayden in the. family band. We talked about his daughter who is married to Jack Black. But his daughters are triplets. His triplet daughters, and they have a family

band called the Hayden triplets. Oh, wow. Speaking of like the Ozark Jubilee thing. Nice. These are his daughters. And they're great, too. Country music that you would hear at the Ozark Jubilee. Ozark country music, though. Ozark old-timey music. I believe

Charlie's playing on this album, too. I want to sounds like him. They put out another album as well. So those are Charlie Hidden's daughters. Yeah. Triplett daughters singing a three-part harmony. But I love that he started out in his family band and then ended up having a family band later in life too.

There was another album that featured all of them. Man, he had so many, I was just looking through his bio, like remembering so many different intersections with important musical times and peoples and his liberation music orchestra, which was still big when I was coming up, was a huge force in that. He got a Guggen, I didn't realize,

a Guggenheim Fellowship started on the recommendation of Leonard Bernstein. I mean, he has all these, like, he's like the Forrest Gump of jazz bass players or something. It's pretty amazing. Pretty awesome. So maybe I'll go back to another track. I'm really focused on this quartet West

because I have such great memories. The whole band, they were so kind of us. We were kind of the young cats and they were, and Charlie would, he'd come and eat with us. And, like, we had such a good time. And we were so, we were kind of, we were sort of wise asses too. We had so much respect for Charlie and for the whole band,

but we would kind of, like Charlie would kind of talk like this a little bit. Hey guys, what are you guys going to play? Like he had this very distinctive voice. And Rodney Whitaker, I hope he won't be upset with me for speaking out of turn by divulging this. But it was all out of love. But we used to have a thing where we'd call each other. This is back before cell phone. So we'd call on the phone and on the tour and we'd call up because we were going to go hang out and get a drink or whatever.

And I'd call him and be like, hey, Rodney, it's, you know, It's Charlie. Hey, do you want to come and hang out and talk about baseball? You know, it was the whole thing. And one time, like, Charlie called Radney about something in the hotel. He was like, hey, Rodney, it's Charlie. And Rodney's like, shut up, Peter. I know that's here. And he's like, no, no, it's really me Charlie.

He's like, come on, man. Stop messing around with me. And Charlie's like, what are you talking about? That's so great. Yeah. But he was just a great soul, great, I mean, killing it every night. And they used to set up in a very, like, far away because, Charlie had hearing issues.

I don't know if that was related to the polio coming up, but he had to be, he had to set up really far away because he couldn't hear tones and they had these plexiglass. You know, it was a lot to go through, but the quartet sounded amazing. I still remember how they sound. So I thought I'd play one more track of theirs. This is from their, actually the first record I heard of the,

I think it was the first quartet West record. This is Long Goodbye from Haunted Heart. Man, I got to dig deeper into Allen Broadband. Bad Cat. I haven't given as much attention to the no shit. Yeah. He's a really enviable career, Charlie Hayden. Just making bad-ass music all the time.

Yeah, Alan Broadbant's from New Zealand. I was trying to figure out was he New Zealand or Australia. Okay, I want to hit an album here, Peter. Good. Hit it. So I was trying to find this album. This is the first album featuring Charlie and his family. Sorry, before we leave, just real quick.

But Island Browman, I was trying to remember. He's always done some big behind-the-scenes things. He was the one who, like, conducted and arranged and was on the tour for Unforgettable Natalie Cole back in the 80s and stuff like that. He did a lot of those kind of things. Great arranger. So Charlie put out an album called Rambling Boy in 2008 on Deca Records.

And check out the personnel lists. So Charlie is on bass and vocals. You got Russ Berenberg on guitar and mandolin. Jack Black on vocals. Sam Bush on Mandolin. Ruth Cameron on vocals, Roseanne Cash on vocals, Elvis Costello on vocals,

Jerry Douglas on the Dobro, Stuart Duncan on the fiddle, Bala Fleck on the banjo, Vince Gill on the vocals, Buddy Green on harmonica, then his son Josh, his three daughters, Petra, Rachel and Tanya, Bruce Hornsby on piano,

John Leventhal on guitar, Pat Mathini on guitar, Ricky Skaggs on guitar, Brian Sutton on guitar, Dan Timminsky on vocals in guitar, That's the O'Brother we're out there. Yeah. Ever heard of him.

So here is Charlie and Pat Mathini on, this is a track called Is This America, Katrina, 2005. I think I had this on one of my first iPods, this album. But I haven't listened to a song. It's so good, man. Charlie Hayden was a force, man. He was a force in this music. It's basically the goat rodeo. The goat rodeo people without Edgar Meyer, but Charlie Hayden instead.

Right, yeah. Right. A couple more that we just want to make mention of. This was my most played album of 2021, I believe, called Steel Away, Hank Jones, Charlie Hayden. It's from 1998, I believe, and it's just all hymns and spirituals. Duels, right? Duos. And it's just 100% masterful.

You can spend like two days by a fireplace, trust me, with this album when it's cold outside. Although Caleb just mentioned it's probably not going to be very cold this winter here in Missouri. Shout out Global War. Hey! But the album itself is incredible. And then we would be remissed, Peter, if we didn't play something from this band.

Yeah. Oh. Yeah. I already think that is. You want to change jazz history? 21 years old when he was really young. He heard of a top 10 jazz record? Dude. To take to a desert island? We haven't talked about Ornett enough, probably on this podcast. This is one of my top five.

That's great. Shape of Jazz to Come, Ornette Coleman, lonely woman is the track. Charlie Hayden, pretty much changing everything we think about the bass at this point. Leonard Bernstein and his eth hole at a live gig, you know what I mean? Yeah, it's been getting better. We've been talking a lot about the blues and like, you know, we did Oscar Peterson's The Night Train. Yeah. Shape of Jazz to Clum is, I think, underrated as a blues record in the genre of jazz.

Yeah, deeply blues infused. Yeah. I think it gets overlooked. blues infused because it's considered outside or whatever. But it's a... Oh, they make it so out me. No. Ornett's playing the blues there. I mean, it's incredible.

Yeah, and I mean, that record to me jumps into the iconic desert island sphere because, like, do you see our react, like, my reaction and just your, like, once it comes on, it's not that there weren't other great Ornette and really other great, like, with those musicians, but when like everything comes together and the history, the fables, the nostalgia, Not the nostalgia, just the iconography of the record. I don't know what that means, but it feels right, you know. It is so... Mythology, this is like the lore.

Because this is a big country. And like jazz music... All right, we got to go. Until next time. You'll hear it. Big country. America is geographically larger than many people might think. No.

Everybody knows that. It's big and everyone knows that. That's part of our thing.