Young and Profiting with Hala Taha - Deepak Chopra: Manifest Abundance | E172

Episode Date: May 30, 2022

Human beings are constantly striving for more. We measure success through money and material possessions, which ultimately leave us unfulfilled and empty. International bestselling author and a world-...renowned authority on integrative medicine and personal transformation, Deepak Chopra, MD, FACP believes that there is an inner path to prosperity and abundance where humans can transcend feelings of fear, possession, and self-imposed limitations. In this episode, Hala and Deepak yap about how to achieve abundance in all aspects of life, the life-changing power of meditation, the history of money, misconceptions surrounding karma, good money and bad money karma, and the Law of Attention and The Law of Intention.      Topics Include:  - How meditation changed his life - Deepak’s contribution to alternative medication  - Deepak’s philosophy on evolution - Defining the dark night of the soul  - The history of money - Defining abundance  - How to find out what our soul’s purpose is  - Abundance life models  - The eight limbs of yoga - What is Ikigai? - Misconceptions surrounding karma - Good vs bad money karma  - The Law of Attention and The Law of Intention  - Entropy and creative intelligence  - The seven Chakras and Tantra, Yantra, and Mantra   - Deepak’s actionable advice  - Deepak’s secret to profiting in life - Deepak’s advice for immigrants   - And other topics… Deepak Chopra, MD, FACP is a world-renowned pioneer in integrative medicine and personal transformation, the author of over 90 books translated into over forty-three languages, including numerous New York Times bestsellers, including his most recent book, Abundance: The Inner Path to Wealth.   He is the founder of The Chopra Foundation, a non-profit entity for research on well-being and humanitarianism, and Chopra Global, a modern-day health company at the intersection of science and spirituality.  Deepak is also an Adjunct Professor of Urology at Mount Sinai, Professor of Internal Medicine at the University of Central Florida, Clinical Professor of Family Medicine and Public Health at the University of California, San Diego and serves as a senior scientist with Gallup Organization. Deepak has also hosted several podcasts including Now for Tomorrow, Infinite Potential, and Daily Breath. His new podcast, Deepak Chopra’s Mind-Body Zone: Living Outside the Box will launch in Fall 2022. TIME magazine has described Deepak as “one of the top 100 heroes and icons of the century.” Sponsored By: Constant Contact - To start your free digital marketing trial today, visit constantcontact.com   iTrust Capital - Sign up today and receive a $100 funding bonus when you open and fund an account. Visit iTrustCapital.com to start investing today. Jordan Harbinger - Check out jordanharbinger.com/start for some episode recommendations Wise - Join 13 million people and businesses who are already saving, and try Wise for free at Wise.com/yap Castbox - Listen and Subscribe to Young and Profiting on Castbox - https://youngandprofiting.co/castbox Resources Mentioned: Deepak’s Website: ​​https://www.deepakchopra.com/  Deepak’s Books: https://www.amazon.com/Deepak-Chopra/e/B004KNMPSI/  The Never Alone Foundation: https://neveralone.love/  Deepak’s Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/DeepakChopra  Deepak’s Twitter: https://twitter.com/DeepakChopra  Deepak’s YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/thechoprawell  Deepak’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/deepakchopra/  Deepak’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/deepak-chopra-md-official-04017621/  Connect with Young and Profiting:  YAP’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/youngandprofiting/     Hala’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/htaha/     Hala’s Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/yapwithhala/     Hala’s Twitter: https://twitter.com/yapwithhala  Clubhouse: https://www.clubhouse.com/@halataha   Website: https://www.youngandprofiting.com/  Text Hala: https://youngandprofiting.co/TextHala or text “YAP” to 28046 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:26 minimums and participating scores. Taxes and other fee still apply. You're listening to YAP, Young and Profiting Podcast, a place where you can listen, learn, and profit. Welcome to the show! I'm your host, Halla Taha, and on Young and Profiting Podcast, we investigate a new topic each week and interview some of the brightest minds in the world.
Starting point is 00:00:48 My goal is to turn their wisdom into actionable advice that you can use in your everyday life, no matter your age, profession or industry. There's no fluff on this podcast and that's on purpose. I'm here to uncover value from my guests by doing the proper research and asking the right questions. If you're new to the show, we've chatted with the likes of XFBI agents, real estate moguls, self-made billionaires, CEOs, and bestselling authors.
Starting point is 00:01:16 Our subject matter ranges from enhancing productivity, had to gain influence, the art of entrepreneurship, and more. If you're smart and like to continually improve yourself, hit the subscribe button, because you'll love it here at Young & Profiting Podcast. This week on YAP, we're chatting with Meditation Guru and bestselling author Deepak Chopra. For the last 30 years, Deepak has been at the forefront of the meditation revolution, and he's a world-renowned pioneer in
Starting point is 00:01:45 integrative medicine and personal transformation. He's also the founder of the Chopra Foundation, a nonprofit entity for research on well-being and humanitarianism, and Chopra Global, a modern-day health company at the intersection of science and spirituality. Time Magazine has described Deepak as one of the top 100 heroes and icons of the century, and he's been featured in outlets like The New York Times, CNN, The Huffington Posts, and many more. In today's episode, Deepak and I chat about how meditation changed his life, and we take a close look into the ideas in his new book, Abundance, The Inner Past to Wealth.
Starting point is 00:02:24 We learn about the history of money, and we hear why money is the coin of consciousness. We also yap about good versus bad money karma, and Deepak gives us an in-depth overview of the seven chakras. Lastly, we hear his thoughts around the intersection of the law of attention, and the law of intention. If you're curious about the human experience and what it means to live a life of abundance, you're gonna wanna listen to this one a few times over. Now without further ado, here's my conversation
Starting point is 00:02:53 with the legendary Deepak Chopra. Hey Deepak, welcome to Young Improfiting Podcast. Thank you, Allah. It is probably to be here. It is such an honor to have you on the show today for everybody who is tuning in on YouTube. You may notice that I'm not in my studio. That's because I am live here at podcast movement because when Deepak
Starting point is 00:03:15 show for has time to come on your show, you make time for Deepak show, Bruno matter what's going on. So Deepak, you are a household name. I'm sure everybody listening has heard of your name, but just in case you're a prominent figure in the New Age movement Your world renowned speaker you're a founder of the Chopra foundation your licensed physician and author of over 90 bucks But today we're gonna primarily focus on your book abundance the Interpass to wealth because that's the perfect topic for my young and profitors Is that sound good? That's great at one point in your adult life You were drinking black coffee by the hour, you were smoking a pack of cigarettes a day,
Starting point is 00:03:49 and you actually turned to meditation to stop those bad habits. Can you tell us that story in your own words and how meditation changed your life? Yeah, actually, I was a practicing physician, and I was also studying neuroendocrinology which is the study of brain chemicals and hormones. I was teaching at Harvard, Tufts and BU, junior faculty, medical students and doing some research. And in those days we were looking at what we call the molecules of emotion which everybody knows about right now, serotonin, dopamine, oxytocin, opiates, anandamide and many others. These were in the brain, these molecules and they were for the first time we realized the interface between what happens in our consciousness and what happens in our brain, what happens
Starting point is 00:04:39 in our biology. It turned out that these molecules were also immunomodulators, the modulated defects of the immune system, fine-tuned the immune system. So that was my interest actually in mind body medicine and meditation. Yes, I was stressed, I was smoking and cigarettes and drinking alcohol on weekends, sometimes to excess. And one day I had put a pacemaker and a patient, put him on a ventilator in a hospital, then I went outside and smoked a cigarette and I felt disgusted. So I threw the cigarette and I changed my life, said, meditation came after. Meditation came as a result of a chance meeting with a friend who suggested that I should. And then I got involved in meditation as a way to not only look at managing stress,
Starting point is 00:05:33 but a deeper understanding of what we call consciousness or spirit or awareness, the same thing, and that was going beyond body-mind medicine. So, what was so innovative about what you were doing back then, in terms of alternative medicine? I was challenging mainstream medicine, which is based on in science, we call it reductionism, which looks at body parts, and then you try to understand how disease occurs, so you try to understand how disease occurs, so you try to understand how bacteria multiply and then you interfere with that with antibiotics, or you try to understand how cancer cells replicate and you interfere with that with chemotherapy or radiation. And it works. It works. It's very effective in acute illness. So if you have pneumonia,
Starting point is 00:06:22 you need an antibiotic. No question about it. Meditation is not going to if you have pneumonia, you need an antibiotic. No question about it. Meditation is not going to help you clear pneumonia. Or if you have a bed in the site, you need surgery, not meditation. But then there's chronic illness. And chronic illness means things like diabetes, hypertension, cardiovascular disease, chronic diseases of all kinds, autoimmune illnesses, many types of cancer, premature aging, that we are not successful with drugs or pharmaceuticals. So for that you need to look at more than the physical body and look at the mind, social interactions, professional interactions. You have to look at a deeper level of reality called awareness or consciousness
Starting point is 00:07:07 or spirit, you have to look at the environment, you have to look at personal relationships and much more, three stress management, mind body coordination, vagal stimulation, biological rhythms. So the word health comes from the word whole. So holistic means including everything and that was not fashionable then. But now it is every medical student is exposed to it. I teach a three university hospital and everybody now teaches what was then considered non-mainstream, but not it's pretty mainstream. Yeah, totally 100%. So, one of your key philosophies that I think that is really important for this discussion is your philosophy on evolution, and you say that consciousness, not necessarily Darwinism
Starting point is 00:07:58 or survival of the fittest, really was responsible for the evolution of humans, or there's more to it. So, I'd love to hear your perspective on that. What I say is very controversial. It's very few people who actually subscribe to what I'm saying. So classical Darwinian theory holds that evolution is the result of what I call random mutations. You have to be very precise when you describe this word random. Everyone knows what a mutation is. Mutation is every day with COVID. So a mutation is a genetic mistake where the alphabet that spells the gene is something is missing or something is extra life as four letters. And how they spell out words, we call them genes.
Starting point is 00:08:47 And so we share the same alphabet from mosquitoes to trees to everything, rodents, chimpanzees, gorillas, and humans. The difference between a gorilla or chimpanzee and a human is less than 2% in terms of genes. 65% of the genes that you have in your body are the same as a banana, 80% the same as a mouse, about 70% is a fruit life. And yet you still have the same alphabet, it's just the spelling is different.
Starting point is 00:09:18 So when we say random mutations, we should be saying unpredictable. Random means inherently random. Unpredictable means we don't know what's going on. It's like going to Grand Central Station and you have lots of people going everywhere. It looks random, but then when you look deeply, you saw, so many people are going to Philadelphia, so many going to New York. So each one is going somewhere with purpose, not randomly, it appears random to us. So first of all, random is not a good word, it should be unpredictable. Natural selection is a good word, it means that those genes that survive start to dominate. And that's current Darwinian theory and it's called the evolution of species, not the evolution of life. Nobody knows how life evolves. Evolution of species means how did bacteria become
Starting point is 00:10:11 plants, become animals, become rodents, become primates, became humans. And so, current theory is that somehow that happened and we are at the top of the Foojin now as a result of that. There's a school of thought that says that probably could not be true, it's too precise. And also there are leaps, there are gaps. You know, the difference between chimpanzee and a human is only less than 2%, but chimpanzees don't reach Shakespeare, they don't send people to the moon, they don't design computers or talk on Zoom, they don't have existential issues like who am I,
Starting point is 00:10:54 what do I want, what happens after death, it's too different. So there's a school of thought that and that's actually even Dr. Francis Collins who's the head of the NIH, and was responsible for the genome project, he calls it theistic evolution, that somehow our being has something to do it. I don't like the word theistic because, you know, again, scientists are allergic to God. So we don't use that word. But consciousness or awareness as an organizing principle, some people are not allergic to that. So we say consciousness probably guides evolution. Nobody's actually seen evolution
Starting point is 00:11:33 happening, it's all from the fossil record. And so whatever we say is based on circumstantial evidence. I believe that humans now physically are probably not evolving, but they are evolving in consciousness, in creativity, in imagination, in creating artificial or augmented intelligence, in creating meta-versus, in creating 3D realities. So there is something going on, humans are evolving and it's possible as they evolve in consciousness biology may follow. But we're all guessing. We'll be right back after a quick break from our sponsors. Young and profitors, do you have a brilliant business idea but you don't know how to move forward with it? Going into debt for a four-year degree isn't the only past to success. Instead, learn everything you need to know about running a business
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Starting point is 00:15:54 There's something else called joy which is innate. You see it's in a baby in a child full of wonder, curiosity, love, compassion, empathy, the whole works. But as we grow up, we are bamboozled or conditioned by social constructs, and that makes us happy. We also have existential dilemmas. Like at some point, we start no matter who you are, you could be intoxicated with the biology of youth, but one day you're going to get old, one day you're going to have infirmity, and one day you're going to die. So that leads humans to ask
Starting point is 00:16:29 existential dilemmas, not that they know the answers, but they ask. Also, humans are victimized by memory and also by imagination. So if you kick a dog, the dog will remember, and if you beat the dog five years later, it might attack you, but unlike a human being, it won't plan for five years how to get even. We are of species full of contradiction, paradox, ambiguity, and existential conundrums, including what is called the dark night of the soul. The dark night of the Soul, what's that? That is when you realize that you don't have an identity,
Starting point is 00:17:08 that we all think, I am Deepak Shope, you think, if you say I have a body, then you have a problem. Which body are you talking about? Fertilized ovum, zygote, embryo, baby, toddler, teenager, young adult, old person, all the way to dusty death. So what we call a body is not a noun, it's a verb that you can't grasp it. Similarly, your mind, you say, I'm a mind, which one? Teenagers' mind, an emotionally undeveloped mind at eight years, which qualifies you to
Starting point is 00:17:42 run for president, but nothing else. If you're emotionally undeveloped the only thing, and you can run for president, that's the only thing that's qualified for. But the point is that human beings, there's no such thing as an identity. It's all a false construct. So, the darken the soul is realized, you don't have an identity. There's nothing permanent about your period, not your mind, not your emotions, not your personality, not your body. So, when you go through that period of spiritual experience, as part of the spiritual experience, then you get what are called the Hibi-gb's. You realize you don't exist as a person. So what do you exist as? That's the big spiritual quest. Dark Knight of the Soul, Jesus Christ went through it,
Starting point is 00:18:36 St. John of the Cross went through it, anybody who pursues a spiritual quest will go through the Dark night of the soul, and it's like torture. But then if you cross over, then there's what is called ecstasy because you find that you're actually God pretending to be a human being. Very fascinating. As Ram does great spiritual teacher, you say, we're all God in drag. I love that. I would love to talk about abundance and start to understand your perspective on the inner past to abundance, starting with the history of money. Because money, you say, is from consciousness as well, right? No other animals are using money for tools or resources or whatever it is.
Starting point is 00:19:26 So talk to us about the history of money. So up until 40,000 years ago, there were about eight different kinds of humans. We call ourselves homo sapiens, which means the wise ones. So we were humbled enough to call ourselves wise. Then we gave other species names, like Neanderthals and
Starting point is 00:19:46 home of Floreoensis on and on. So species mates only within its own kind. Just like you have the lion species or the fielin species, you include cats and panthers and tigers and cheetahs and lions, they're all this name, family, but they're different species. So like that, there were about eight or so human species, and they all had a language for what we call mating reproduction, sex, and a language for danger. That's it. This is how we survive.
Starting point is 00:20:23 This is the language that all other animals have. You know birds and every fish is as language. Then one species us, we created a language for telling stories. We are the only species that tell stories. With that we created stories like money, like colonial states, like empires, like latitude, like longitude, like Greenwich, Bean Time and so on. And we created money because before that I'll give you a haircut and you fix my shoes. And that became too inconvenient. So we said, okay, I'll give you the shell and this means so much. Or this stone means so much. And then that too was in convenience. So we made coins and money on paper. But money is a human story for high belief exchange of
Starting point is 00:21:13 values, whatever values you have, you exchange them. And that's what we call money, the exchange or currency, currency for exchanging values. So if you values the pornography or guns or whatever I'll call tobacco, you can make money, you can just go to Las Vegas and hang out with people like that and you'll make money. If your values are movies, then you make money hanging out with people who make movies, etc. If your values are held and consciousness which are mine, then you make money with people who have the same values. That's why the book, right in the beginning, I have something called the Soul Profile. When you fill that in, what your soul is, your deeper values are. It's not your bio which is on LinkedIn and your bios, what other people
Starting point is 00:22:03 think of you. Your soul profile tells you what your values are. And then if you create a community of people who have the same values, you can make a lot of money with those values. That's exchange. That's why we call it exchange. And so that is only about money. Now abundance is not just money. Abundance is fulfilment at many levels. So I wrote the book actually after I heard a lyric from Bob Marley which said, some people are so poor,
Starting point is 00:22:31 all they have is money. And then I did research on people who have lots of money and people who have no money. And I found they're the same because they think only about money. The poor can't think of anything else. And the rich it becomes their identity. They confuse self worth with net worth. I like to say they confuse their selfie with their true self. So they sacrifice their self for their selfie. They think their selfie is what they are. Well, then abundance is much more than money.
Starting point is 00:23:03 Money has about 12% of joy and happiness to your life. So if you win the lottery, you'll be ecstatic for six months. Then you'll plateau, and then you'll be back to your baseline, which is what you were before you won the lottery. Five years later, you might be more miserable because you're trying to hide your money in the Bahamas or becoming an oligarch or something like that. So it becomes a source of stress. You need abundance at many levels. So security, if you have money,
Starting point is 00:23:36 you don't necessarily have security and safety. Because I love a lot of people who don't feel secure, they have billions of dollars. Central delight. You can't buy sensual delight, which means enjoyment of the five senses by money. You have to be mindful. You don't buy self-esteem by money. You don't buy true love of by money. You can simulate somebody can marry you for your money. And they hope you die soon so they can inherit
Starting point is 00:24:05 the money. You can't buy creative expression, insight, intuition, imagination, higher consciousness. You can't lose the fear of death by buying money, I'm by money. So abundance means all of the above, including the loss of the fear of death, which only comes through identifying with your true self or your soul, which has nothing to do with the amount of money you have. You can't buy joy with money either. We'll be right back after a quick break from our sponsors. Hear that sound, young and profitors? You should know that sound by now, but in case you don't, that's the sound of another sale on Shopify.
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Starting point is 00:31:24 purpose is? Well, that's in the book. You have to identify your peak experiences. What your purpose in life is, if you had all the money in the world and all the time in the world, what would you do? How would you serve? What is your contribution to your family, to the world world to society? Who are your heroes, heroines and history, mythology, religion, business? What are your unique talents? How do you express them? Who benefits? What do you value in a relationship? What do you give? What do you receive on and on? When you fill that out, you know who you are. Otherwise, you can check out LinkedIn for your bio. Yes, and I'll definitely stick the link to your book
Starting point is 00:32:08 in the show notes, so everybody can check that out. He's got lots of quizzes and stuff, and it's very interactive, it's a great book. So let's talk about abundance life models. So India and Japan are two countries that have abundance life models that are popular, yoga, and eki-gye. So I'd love for you to break down what yoga is. A lot of people think yoga is just exercise. That's really not all it's
Starting point is 00:32:31 about. And what eekie guy is as well. Why eekie guy is similar to yoga yoga is more expensive. So yoga has eight limbs yoga means union with your true self, which is the divine in you. So yoga has eight limbs. And these eight limbs are rules. First, you have to do with what we call social and emotional intelligence that they're called yama and niyama. The third is the yoga that you go to yoga studios for. But even there, it's not an exercise. Each posture is a seat of awareness.
Starting point is 00:33:11 So when you do happy baby, you should feel like a happy baby. If you do it properly or you do cat cow, you assume not only the posture of a cat cow, but you get the feeling, the consciousness of that, etc. The yoga posture is called yoga asanas. Asna means seat of awareness. Then you have breathing techniques called Prattya Hara. There are hundreds of them. You can modulate your breath to bring about any effect in your body, including increase energy,
Starting point is 00:33:43 decrease energy, shift energy, and all kinds of ways. That's called pranayam. And then there's something called pratyahara, which is withdrawal of the senses, learning to regulate the internal organs of your body, heart rate, blood pressure, immune system, endocrine system, microbiome, et cetera. And then there are the last three steps
Starting point is 00:34:04 at the ion meditation, theome, etc. And then there are the last three steps at the on meditation, the hardah, focus awareness and samadhi transcendence. So these are the eight limbs of yoga and most people only learn one and that too, not adequately because they just think it's exercise or stretching. I'm writing a book down on what yoga really is. Yoga, it means union, I derived from the word Yulge. It's the same as the English word Yoke. So when Jesus says, my Yoke is easy and my burden is light, that's the yoga, because he feels connected to the source of all experience. I never realized how interesting yoga was and how much there was to it. And so you really opened my eyes and I'm super excited to like learn more about Shakras
Starting point is 00:34:51 and how to do mantras. And we'll get into that in a little bit, but it really is exciting stuff. And I think my listeners, you guys should really go pick up that book because it's really good. So Eki Guy, I think this is super important in terms of finding a career that really aligns with our purpose and makes us fulfilled. So, I'd love for you to explain that as well. Eki Guy, same as Dharma, follow your bless. So, when you express your unique talents, it's not work. It's like play. When you express
Starting point is 00:35:21 your unique talents, you lose track of time as well. And you have a lot of joy, eke guys following your bliss, the same way as time. And then you hack from that level, not from your mind, but from the level of your source spirit. And that's why knowing your Dharma is very important. We do go through that in the book, in all the ways you can figure out what your purpose is, how to follow your bliss, which is what Joseph Campbell also spoke about, but he didn't say, how do you do it? So it's here in the book. Yes. Okay, so another term that I feel like a lot of people know is karma, but they get it wrong.
Starting point is 00:36:03 So what are the misconceptions of karma that people have? So karma simply means past experience and not only past experience, but interpretation of past experience. It's your personal story about life. So if you close your eyes and do nothing, you immediately immediately be coming aware that you're having a conversation with yourself. Who is it that's having the conversation with yourself? It's your condition mind.
Starting point is 00:36:32 And that conversation is always about good and bad things. So if you're having a conversation about past experiences that were happy, then your body feels good. If you're remembering past experiences that you thought were unhappy, then your body feels good. If you are remembering past experiences that you thought were unhappy, then your body feels unpleasant. That goes on and on. You know, you can't have good without the bad. You have to have both by contrast, just like you can't have up without down or heart without goal. Goal of life is not to get good karma, the goal of life is to be independent of karma. And that is you go beyond, so the physical body is called the karmic body or the conceptual body,
Starting point is 00:37:13 because there is no such thing as a physical fixed body as we just said. So the conceptual karmic body is what recycles as the soul or the condition mind. If you go beyond that, there's something called the bliss body. And that bliss body is independent of all your stories, positive or negative. And that's some submedication, through mindfulness, through inquiry, through self-reflection, through awareness of the body, awareness of the breath, awareness of internal organs, awareness of relationships, awareness of your social and professional interactions, awareness of the ecosystem and awareness of your relationship to the universe.
Starting point is 00:38:01 That's karma. So since this is Young and Profiting podcast, we've got a lot of young professionals that are trying to grow their wealth and their entrepreneurs. And they care about money. So let's talk about good versus bad money karma. What does that look like? Well, right now Putin has bad karma. And this is karma never loses an address. So he's going to pay for it. Some are the other. Back karma simply means the choices you made were harmful and destructive to both yourself and to others. That's not good money, but it's contaminated money. And karma never loses an address, you will, it will come back to you. And then good karma money, as far as it's coming from what we call love and action. Love without action is irrelevant. Action without
Starting point is 00:38:54 love is meaningless. But when you have love and action, we call it karma yoga. And karma yoga is the best way to make money. I love that. So we can't just sit here and have a great mindset. We also have to do something if we want to get money. We have to have intention. So, can you talk to us about the law of attention and the law of intention and how they interact? So, our spirit or our consciousness doesn't work through rational logic. It just works through attention.
Starting point is 00:39:25 Attention means where you're putting your energy. So right now, please put your energy on your toes. Did you do that? I guess, I thought about my toes. Okay, no, not hard. Put your attention there, awareness there. Okay. Piliate toes.
Starting point is 00:39:40 That's called attention. Now wiggle your toes. That's intention. So attention is putting your awareness somewhere, intention is action. And when you combine the two, then not just toes, you can do that with space, you can do that with consciousness, you can do that with your own infinite being, then intention organizes its own fulfillment. I also call it the law of least effort, do less than accomplish more, and ultimately do nothing and accomplish everything. So your very presence creates wealth if you don't have to do it. So for me, one of my favorite parts of your book was you had a bell diagram and it was on
Starting point is 00:40:24 the human condition. And basically yoga teaches that human consciousness is pulled in different directions by the same forces, order and chaos. So the left side of the bell curve is entropy. So that's habit inertia unconscious behavior. The right side is creative intelligence. Creative intelligence was something I never heard of.
Starting point is 00:40:41 And I think it's very, very useful to everyone. And I feel like my listeners are going to love this. So can you explain entropy and creative intelligence and the spectrum that everyone is on? Entropy is something that follows the arrow of time. It's the dissipation of heat to the, what is called endpoint is the heat death of absolute zero. Everything disappears. And that's what's going to happen to the universe is called end point is the heat death of absolute zero. Everything disappears.
Starting point is 00:41:06 And that's what's going to happen to the universe one day. It'll disappear into a black hole. And that's all the singularity. That's the end of entropy. But aging is entropy also. The opposite of entropy is creative intelligence. And it is not linear. So you have to ask yourself, how does a human body think thoughts, play a piano, kill germs, remove toxins, make a baby all at the same time? You know, there's no logical way, linear way that you can do all this. Your mind cannot multitask. It can only do one thing at a time. In fact, it never multitask. That's a myth. When you do one thing, you think you're doing many things at the same time. You're switching from one to the other very rapidly, and actually you're doing neither.
Starting point is 00:41:53 And you're messing up your brain networks. Creative intelligence is basically doing an almost infinite number of things all at the same time, and correlating them with each other. Your body functions like that, your cells, your stomach cells, your heart cells, your kidney cells, your brain cells, all work in coordination without even sending messages to each other. So creative intelligence is non-local, it doesn't employ space time. It is the inherent intelligence of the universe. And you have to go beyond your rational mind. That's where meditation comes in.
Starting point is 00:42:31 The seven chakras are simply seven junction points between consciousness and biology. So the lower chakras have to do with survival and safety, with sexuality and sexuality, with ambition and making money and transformation. But then those are important chakras, all of them, because we need that for our survival. But then there is love and there is belongingness and then there is creative expression. There is intuition. There is hard consciousness and there is transcendence. The chakra methodology in the book is very ancient practice. It comes from what is called in the West. It's called tantra, which is misunderstood because most people think tantra is sexual practices.
Starting point is 00:43:19 And that is one aspect of tantra. And it's not the right name even. It's called Tantra in Sanskrit. And there are three practices that go with Tantra. They're called Tantra, Yantra and Mantra. So Tantra is the ritual. And in the book you have these rituals, seven rituals, each of the Chakras. And then you have Mantras. Mantra means instrument of the mind. Mantra means mind. It's the origin of the word, English word, human, man, woman. So, we are thinking beings.
Starting point is 00:43:52 Mantra is an instrument of the mind that takes you beyond the mind. Yantra is a visual intention. You visualize what you want. When you combine mantra, yantra and tantra, then you manifest. It's not the law of attraction, which is all mental in my view, silly. So, Shakras is super interesting to me. Talked about what Shakras are exactly, and they're seven of them, so maybe you can kind of walk us through what they are. Yeah, I did just while I did.
Starting point is 00:44:25 Anyway, across the junction points between the spirit and the body mind. So the word chakra means wheel and the wheel of awareness. And so they are in your body along the spine, but metaphors and by putting your attention on these different places and practicing the mantra, the yantra and the tantra, you can manifest what is associated with the chakras. First chakras. So the first chakras is about survival and safety. The second chakras is sexuality and sensuality. The third chakra is ambition and success. The fourth is love and belongingness.
Starting point is 00:45:09 The fifth is creative expression. The sixth is intuition and knowingness and the seventh is going beyond all of them. Lots of the fear of death, transcendence and finding who you really are. finding who you really are. So when all these chakras are aligned, then you basically are full fill, which means you have abundance at all levels. Not just. I love that. Awesome. Well, as we start to wrap up this interview, Deep Fox, thank you so much for your time. We always ask our guests the same couple of questions at the end, and then we do some fun stuff at the end of the year. So what is one actionable thing my young and profitors can do today to be more profiting tomorrow? One actionable thing they can do.
Starting point is 00:45:53 Ask yourself what would I do if I had all the money and all the time in the world and then who would benefit and then go for it. I love that. And what is your secret to profiting in life? Don't worry about the profit. worry about how you can help other people, the fastest way to be successful is to make other people successful.
Starting point is 00:46:16 I love that. Amazing. And then my last question to you as my father was also an immigrant who became a doctor and was successful, not as successful as you, but you really lived the American dream. And I would love for you to give some advice to some of our immigrant listeners about how they can succeed as an immigrant being different than other people and just some insight given all of your success as an immigrant. Immigrant means you bring a unique culture to this country.
Starting point is 00:46:45 And actually, the best way to be successful is to have maximum diversity work with people who have bring maximum diversity to your team, especially if you're an entrepreneur. Maximum diversity of race, of gender, of nationality, of education, then shared vision, have the same vision together, and then support each other emotionally and spiritually, like a good soccer team, and then you'll be successful.
Starting point is 00:47:19 If you're only thinking about yourself, you can't be successful. Hard work, driving ambition, exacting plans will make you successful. By the time you are, you probably have some kind of disease and stress and you know, you'll be miserable. So do it the right way. And where can our listeners go to learn more about you and everything that you do? DeepakJopra.com and we have a very wonderful site called NeverAlone.Love. It helps young teens who are contemplating suicide, which is the second most common cause of death in this country.
Starting point is 00:47:55 And so we are creating an ecosystem to help teens not only go beyond depression, but experience joy. So Deepak Chopra.com and neverloan.love. Awesome. Thank you so much for your time today. Thank you, Hala. Wow, what an amazing episode. Whenever I listen to Deepak or read one of his books,
Starting point is 00:48:16 I'm always reminded about the uniqueness of the human experience. And how important it is for us as individuals and as a collective to gain deeper understanding and awareness of consciousness and spirit, especially if we want to live fulfilling, purposeful, and abundant lives. It was so incredible to have somebody like Deepak on this podcast. He's literally a living legend and I'm so honored that I had the opportunity to sit down with him and catch up with them for an entire hour.
Starting point is 00:48:45 So at the core of this episode, it's all about abundance. And Deepak shared some great actionable advice, and I want to call out a couple takeaways before we call it a night. The first is to create a community of people who share similar values. This reminds me of the saying, you're the average of the five people you spend the most time with. We've all heard this saying, but I want to remind you that as frequently as you can, put yourself in proximity with the people that you look up to, the
Starting point is 00:49:11 people who are doing what you want to be doing or have the lifestyle that you want to eventually achieve. When you do this, you're not only building relationships and connections, you're also starting to focus your energy and gain traction with your goals. And this brings me right into the second takeaway, the law of attention and the law of intention. The law of attention is that energy flows to where we are focused. And the law of intention is what puts this into motion. Intention is a trigger for action.
Starting point is 00:49:41 So intention can look like a lot of different things from journaling and mantras to being actively involved in conversations with that community of people that you've surrounded yourself with. Focus your attention on what you want and set your intention to achieve it. And you can find abundance in any aspect of your life. And lastly, remember that abundance doesn't only refer to money.
Starting point is 00:50:01 It includes relationships, experiences, family, friends, physical, and mental health, and beyond. So to achieve abundance, we've got to find out what our soul's purpose is. Ask yourself, what would you do if you had all the money and time in the world? Who would you serve? How would you contribute? And once you have that answer, get straight to work. And yeah, Pam, when you do start achieving abundance in all aspects of your life, including financial, don't forget about that good money karma. Use your wealth for good and use it from a place of love. Remember as Deepak said, karma never forgets an address. I loved that line. So let's keep
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