Young and Profiting with Hala Taha - Teri Ijeoma: Start Trading Today | E141

Episode Date: November 15, 2021

Have you been wanting to start stock trading, but have no idea where to start? In this episode, we are talking with Teri Ijeoma, professional day-trader, entrepreneur, and Founder of her own business ...trading course Trade and Travel. Teri has been working in the stock market and day trading for over a decade and is infamous for making over $1000 in a day. With more than 10+ years invested in trading education, courses, workshops, having spent thousands of dollars, with a lot of trial and error, Teri developed expert strategies and proprietary intelligence that fast-tracks the learning journey and earning performance. In 2018 Teri was named Entrepreneur of the Year by National Black MBA Association, and was the Grand Champion of Teachable's 2019 Creator Challenge. In today’s episode, we discuss Teri’s career journey and how she went from being an Assistant Principal for an elementary school to earning over 7 figures as a self employed entrepreneur. We also get a crash course from Teri on how to start trading in the stock market, investing, and brokerages. Finally, we talk about the personal and emotional side of investing, and the importance of investing in ourselves. If you’ve been wanting to learn about the stock market and trading but don’t know where to start, you do not want to miss this episode! Sponsored by -  The Jordan Harbinger Show. Check out jordanharbinger.com/start for some episode recommendations Notion. Get up to $1,000 off Notion’s team plan by going to notion.com/startups Prose. Take your FREE in-depth hair consultation and get 15% off your first order today! Go to prose.com/yap Indeed. Get a $75 credit at indeed.com/profiting Social Media:  Follow YAP on IG: www.instagram.com/youngandprofiting Reach out to Hala directly at Hala@YoungandProfiting.com Follow Hala on Linkedin: www.linkedin.com/in/htaha/ Follow Hala on Instagram: www.instagram.com/yapwithhala Follow Hala on Clubhouse: @halataha Check out our website to meet the team, view show notes and transcripts: www.youngandprofiting.com Timestamps: 00:43- Teri’s Career Path and Journey to Teachable 05:30- Teri’s Best Day Ever in Stock Trading 06:28- The Importance of Investing in Ourselves 9:25- The Difference Between Trading and Long Term Stock Investing 15:06- Where to Find Teri’s Course and What It’s About 17:38- How We Can Get Started with Trading and Brokerage 24:38- The Difference Between Stocks and ETFs  27:30- How To Pick a Stock 30:50- How to Hedge Our Risk When Day Trading 33:46- The Emotional Side of Trading 34:41- Risk-to-Reward Ratios 37:57- Teri’s Secret to Profiting in Life Mentioned In The Episode: Teri's Free Webinar https://www.etf.com/ Trade and Travel Youtube Trading Simulators Teri Recommends: TradeStation-https://www.tradestation.com/ Trading View-https://www.tradingview.com/ Rapunzl- http://www.rapunzlinvestments.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:19 had to gain influence, the art of entrepreneurship, and more. If you're smart and like to continually improve yourself, hit the subscribe button because you'll love it here at Young & Profiting Podcast. This week on YAP, we're chatting with Terry Ijoma. Terry is a professional day trader, entrepreneur, and founder of her own business trading course, Trade & Travel. With more than 10 years in trading education courses and workshops, she's developed expert strategies that fast tracks the learning journey and earning performance
Starting point is 00:01:51 of investing. In 2018, Terry was named Entrepreneur of the Year by the National Black MBA Association, and she currently has the number one course on Teachable. In today's episode, we discuss Terry's career journey and how she went from being an assistant principal to earning multiple seven figures as a self-employed entrepreneur. We'll also get a crash course and how to begin trading in the stock market and get her one-on-one investing tips. We closed our conversation by talking about the personal and emotional side of investing and the importance of investing in ourselves. If you've been wanting to learn about the personal and emotional side of investing and the importance of investing in ourselves. If you've been wanting to learn about the stock market
Starting point is 00:02:29 and trading, this episode is a great place to start. Hi, Terry, welcome to Young and Profiting Podcast. Hey, how are you? Thanks for having me. Of course, I'm super hyped to talk to you today. And you are the number one teacher on Teachable, which is amazing. You are a seven figure trader, which is a very huge accomplishment. And I can't wait to get into all your stock tips and everything like that. But first,
Starting point is 00:03:00 I want to talk about your journey because I find your journey super interesting. We always talk about something called skill stacking on the podcast. And I feel like your story is a perfect example of this because you were in education and then you leverage those skills once you started to learn how to invest and then you started your course that kind of merged everything. So walk us through your career path.
Starting point is 00:03:22 How did you gain all these experiences and skills to then finally come out with this course that was a huge success? Ooh, I like this topic of skill stacking. I have so many cool skills. Okay. So I actually first learned about investing in high school. Many people don't know that, but I went to this program in Chicago called lead and they introduced us to the Chicago stock exchange So I remember in high school Google my senior year Google IPO'd or had their initial public offering and it was $83 a share And I remember going to my grandmother like granny. We got to buy this stock and she's like what are you talking about maybe? We didn't have any money. We didn't know what to do
Starting point is 00:04:04 So we missed out on this great opportunity to get in, to say Google at $83. Now it's over $2,000. But ended up going to college, because I was still like, you know what, I'm going to figure this thing out. So went to MIT and interned on Wall Street and said, OK, now I'm going to get in. I'm finally going to learn.
Starting point is 00:04:21 Girl, you know they don't teach you nothing in your internship. We were, we were looking at spreadsheets and all this stuff and I still didn't know how to actually invest and even after college, but went on this whole different trajectory. I went into management consulting, in consulting, we, I say we, it's really just me, in consulting, one of our clients was Teach for America. And that's when I got into education. Went on a completely different path. So for a little while, I was like, okay,
Starting point is 00:04:51 that finance stuff, it's cool over there. But I'm all about education equality. And I want to have all the kids have equal opportunities. So went down this whole path, which led me to be an assistant principal of an elementary school. So I'm thinking, okay, I'm going to be in this school forever. Girl did not run into the boss from hell and was like, oh no, no, no, no, I cannot do this.
Starting point is 00:05:16 And honestly, like working in schools is hard. And so I'm not going to say like anything bad about her, but I do think that she just was like the most nitpicky boss ever. I would cry every day in the bathroom. I would cry on the way to work. And it wasn't just me, like the other assistant principal too would be in the bathroom crying. We'd be like taking turns.
Starting point is 00:05:38 And then at the end of the day, like have to go over our misery stories. What happened to you today, girl? Oh, did that happen, girl? You notice happened to me today? So it was just a really toxic work environment and I ended up deciding, you know what, I need to leave. I gotta quit this because I can't die here.
Starting point is 00:05:55 I can't be this unhappy and I was gaining weight. I was just, I was stressed out to the max and that's when the investing came back around. I had been doing it. I didn't tell you this, but around 2010, when the stock market fell, I had started trading as a side hustle. And so while I was in education, it's still been like a hobby. So when I decided to leave the school, it came up as like, well, let me just see if I
Starting point is 00:06:20 could use that to be my main thing. All I need is $300 to replace my income. Let me just see if I could $300 a day. Yes, ma'am, $300 a day. All I needed was that to replace my income. So started trading. I'm still at the school, still hating it, but I'm trading on the side.
Starting point is 00:06:37 I'm gonna be out of here one day. Y'all, y'all playing with me. Don't ask me no questions. And I started actually getting to my goal. I started hitting $200 a day, and it was $300 a day. Finally got to a place where I felt comfortable quitting my job as assistant principal,
Starting point is 00:06:54 and I just started traveling all over the world in trading stocks, and that's literally how I got into trade and travel. It's so cool that it was so organic. And you just leveraged everything that you knew, the fact that you were trading and traveling, that you were in education, and you knew how to teach students, and you had experience there,
Starting point is 00:07:15 and you knew all this investing information. And you put it all together, and you put out a course, and it's a massive hit. I always talk to people that, like, there's no such thing as an overnight success. This reminds me so much of, our stories are totally different, but they're so similar in the same way, because it's like I picked up pieces and then came out with a marketing and podcast agency, and it blew up because when you have all the right skills and you've done it before yourself,
Starting point is 00:07:38 it's just so much easier to start a business. So kudos to you. That's awesome. Okay, so let's just give people some foundation in terms of like how much money we're talking about when it comes to the type of money that you're making from trading. So what was your best day ever? Ooh, I actually had my best day ever recently. Like a few weeks ago, and this is actually like the beginning of when I was about to premiere the docuseries, I have a docuseries that you're actually coming to speak at part of the panel, but I made a million, a million dollars, 83,000, it's a million, 83,000 dollars in one day trading stocks. Wow. I made it on Amazon. Oh my gosh, that's crazy. That's amazing using Amazon stock.
Starting point is 00:08:28 So guys, she's not playing. Like she knows what she's doing. We're gonna pick her brain. Okay, so one more like intro question. I heard that you spent $30,000 on a course and you paid it on your credit card when you were in this job that you hated because you wanted to educate yourself enough to be able to do this for real. And you knew that education was the path. So talk to us about the importance of investing in ourselves, because a lot of people would say $30,000, no way. But what's the benefit of investing in yourself in that way? Yes, girl, at that time, I didn't have $30,000 to spend. I was only making $60,000 as assistant principal.
Starting point is 00:09:09 So this 30,000 per class learned how to invest was half my salary. But what's so important is, some people are like, $30,000 Terry, what are you talking about? But just think about it. I invested $30,000 back then. And yeah, I put it on a credit card because I didn't have that kind of money. But I said, I'm going to learn this skill. I'm going to pay myself back.
Starting point is 00:09:29 But now I just made a million dollars in a day. So that $30,000 investment has led to me having the skill set to make a million dollars in a day. And not only can I make that one time, I still have the skill set. So I can do that over and over and over again. And it might not be a million dollars in a day for some of the people on here. They're like, oh my god, this doesn't even sound real. But just imagine if you made $200 a day, that's $1,000 a week, $4,000 a month. And then you times that by the year, now this $200 a day is now $48,000 extra a year
Starting point is 00:10:04 because you have this skill set. and it keeps on giving back. So I think that was the best $30,000 that I ever could have spent. And of course, now I'm teaching the course and I wanted a little bit more accessible. So I'm not charging that much for it, but I think that even it's worth more. It's worth more than the $30,000 I spent because you can always keep using it and keep getting that return. Yeah, I feel like people don't realize that the ROI of learning a new skill literally lasts forever and you can keep using it, building on it.
Starting point is 00:10:35 And I think sometimes you don't need to pay for a course, you could just intern for free somewhere and it's very similar to taking a course that you get that information and you put your time investment. So if you don't have the money, you could put in the time too, which people don't really think about. It's about learning that skill set. Once you've learned the knowledge, nobody can take that away from you. It's not going anywhere.
Starting point is 00:10:57 It's locked in your mind and you can use that in so many assets. Even now, when we talk about the skill building or what did you call it, skill stacking, skill stacking, skill stacking, those skills didn't go anywhere from educating and from education world, I learned how to teach. Then from I worked in operations, I learned how to make things work well and they make things seamless and low,
Starting point is 00:11:18 like very efficient, low effort, low energy, right? Now I'm in this course where I'm teaching people how to trade and guess what I'm using my education and my operations, right? Now I'm in this course where I'm teaching people how to trade and guess what I'm using my education and my operations, right? So those skills last forever. Yeah, 100%. So I know we are have limited time and I really wanna pick your brain on stocks, trading,
Starting point is 00:11:39 all that really just get all this amazing information out of your brain and into my listeners' hands. So let's first start off with the basics. A lot of people think about stocks and I have a lot of folks coming on the show and they talk about long-term investments with stocks. And they always say, you don't wanna trade, you're never gonna win, you just wanna play it safe,
Starting point is 00:12:01 put your money in S&P, index funds, or buy and hold, but trading is totally different. So explain to us what the difference is between trading and long-term stock investing, and then what you think the benefits are of trading as opposed to buying and holding. Sure. So let me use the analogy of real estate, because many people understand real estate more than stocks. So it really be the difference between someone who buys a house and keeps it long term versus a flipper. So you get the house, you fix it up, and then you sell it real quick to make a return.
Starting point is 00:12:35 Or the person with a longer term house, they may have renters and just wait for the value to appreciate, but both of them are still investors, and neither one of them is wrong, they're just doing it for different goals. That's the same thing with short-term investing versus long-term investing. Honestly, as an investor, I'm still investing in high quality, really great companies, the same ones that a long-term investor would invest in. I'm just getting in and out of them because I have a goal, whether that's I paid off my student loan debt with trading, I had a goal. I need to make certain amount of money each week
Starting point is 00:13:10 so that I can put it towards my debt or I bought a house with trading. Hey, I have a goal, right? And even for when I was first leaving the school, I needed $300 in a day. So that was my goal. Anytime you have a shorter term goal, you can use trading for
Starting point is 00:13:25 that. And it's not like we said, it's not bad or any worse than long term investing. It's just different. Okay. And then what's the difference between a regular trader and a swing trader? Great. So there's different time frames of how long you hold a sock. If you hold it for one day, so say, for example, I get into Amazon today and I sell it today, that's a day trade. Some people are day traders, and that's all they do. Then, if I get into Amazon today, but I hold it even just overnight one day, that's a swing trade. You can swing trader hold a stock up to a year and still be considered a swing trader. So if I get out of it in two weeks, two months, three months, I'm a swing trader. Oftentimes, swing traders do super well because you can
Starting point is 00:14:12 still take advantage of the quicker movement for your goals, but you hold on to it a little longer so you can actually make some good returns. Okay. And would you recommend a beginner start off day trading or swing trading or long term investing? Honestly, you can do all three. I don't think you have to choose. That'd be like going into a candy store and be like the only thing you can eat or butter fingers. Girl eat whatever you want to eat. But I'm a technical analysis trader and I look at charts and that's what I used to dictate how long I keep a trade. If I get into a trade at a certain point on the chart
Starting point is 00:14:48 and it says wait until this target, if it takes a day to get there, then I keep it a day. If it takes two weeks to get to my target, I keep it two weeks. So it's not like an arbitrary time that I'm picking. I'm actually more so going by the data of a stock chart that tells you the pricing. And now a quick break from our sponsors. Young and profitors, do you have a brilliant business idea but you don't know how to move forward with it? Going into debt for a four-year degree isn't the
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Starting point is 00:18:27 indeed. So I know that your big thing and what you're known for is people trading stocks as a side hustle, basically, or to help them get out of their, like, eventually make it a main hustle, but a lot of people start as a side hustle. So let's talk about the time commitment. How long does it take to learn how to trade? And then how long do you have to do work every day to like let's say make $300 a day?
Starting point is 00:18:53 Great question. So it doesn't take long to learn. I have a course called trade and travel and it's eight week program. So it takes you eight weeks to learn. And then you can can start trading, right? And we actually start trading in like the second week. So you're trading right away and practicing and becoming better. But I do say it takes about a year to become consistent. I don't want anyone to think this is a get rich quick type of thing. No, this is the same thing as if you were going to any school and learning a new skill.
Starting point is 00:19:22 If you're learning a new language, if you're trying to become a doctor, like anything where it takes a skill set, you gotta learn for a while in practice. That's the same with trading. Eight weeks to learn, but then give yourself about a year to become consistent. And then when we think about like how much time each day, I think my students would do well
Starting point is 00:19:40 if they did maybe like an hour per day of studying at least at night time. What I would do is when I got into the bed each night, I would pull up my watch list of companies that I'm checking out and I would look at their charts at night. And then I would see if there was anything that I would want to do the next day. And then when I was assistant principal, I would check in the morning time. I'd make a meeting with myself. Don't tell nobody. I made a meeting with myself
Starting point is 00:20:05 and then at lunch time I would check my cell phone and then right before the market closed around the time that the kids were getting picked up I would check one more time. So it doesn't take a lot of time to like actually check and monitor the trades it's just give yourself some time to do homework at night. That's super interesting because a lot of people I think might get intimidated by this but when you break it down that way, it doesn't seem so difficult. I'm actually really, I want to take your course. I'm like, super hyped about it.
Starting point is 00:20:31 You're so good. I used to do long term investing. I pulled all my money out when COVID happened in March. And I was doing really good, but I was more of like a buy and hold. Or maybe like, I guess I was a swing trader. I would just change things around every few months. So maybe that's technically a swing trader, but really interested in your course. So tell us about your course, where can people find it? Sure. And how I just want to make a point of that, oftentimes people do say that you
Starting point is 00:20:56 should be a buy and hold investor, but then you have things like March of 2020 when COVID happened and the whole market falls. And a lot of long-term investors saw their accounts go down like 65%. And yes, they can say, well, if you just held on to it, it came back up to where it was. But as an active investor, we are a little bit more flexible. So we can actually take our money out, get back in when it's at the lows,
Starting point is 00:21:21 and then ride that higher and make some additional gains. We wouldn't just have to wait until our money came back. Right? So I think that you're a great example of someone who, you know, you were in it for the long haul and then you saw something happen to your account in March. So I think that's a great example. And then you asked me about the course, right? Yes.
Starting point is 00:21:41 Tell us about where people can find the course because I feel like it's super valuable. And if there's any like discount, my listeners can have. Let us know. Yes, tell us about where people can find the course because I feel like it's super valuable. And if there's any discount my listeners can have, let us know. Yes. So find the course at tradeandtravel.com. And I actually say that's a free webinar. I'm gonna give your listeners a free webinar to first learn how I teach people
Starting point is 00:21:59 to make a thousand dollars in a day. Cause there's like four set things that you have to be good at. Like who on you have to be good at picking the right companies. Because that's a downfall girl. When I first started, I picked all the wrong companies and you can't be good if you're picking the wrong company. So we start there.
Starting point is 00:22:16 Then we go into risk management. I know one of the biggest fears that people have is losing their money. So I actually teach you how to protect yourself from losing. So we talk about things like there's an order type called a stop loss. How do you put that in? It like takes you out of the trade if your money starts going down. Or what about checking your reward to risk ratio in advance. We talk about that in risk management. Then we go into charting, which I told you before is like, how do you find the right price
Starting point is 00:22:42 to get in and the right price to get out? Because there's been several greats companies where it just wasn't the right time. Even Apple, Apple's a great company, but there's been times where it felt right after you got into it. So you can figure that out by reading charts. And then we go into a trading plan to take all the emotions away.
Starting point is 00:23:01 Like, so that you're not staring at your phone all day or nervous, Like if you have a checklist which I give all my students, it's a trading plan, then you can take their nerves away. So I have a free webinar talking about all those things at tradeandtravel.com. Thank you for sharing that with us. Well, we still have you for about 20 minutes. So I am definitely going to ask you about a lot of those things that you just mentioned. Let's start about how we can get started. So first thing we got to do is open up a brokerage account.
Starting point is 00:23:32 Is there a platform that you recommend in particular? Yes, there's one that I use and a lot of my students use. It's called Trade Station, but I actually am going to recommend a couple new things to your audience because I think like you guys deserve the best. So there's a platform called TradingView. It's free and you can also use it as a simulator. So you can do practice trades on it and it's called TradingView.com.
Starting point is 00:23:58 So check that out and then you can connect it to your brokerage. So even if you're using a different broker, you can practice in TradingView and then press go and it'll execute in your brokerage. So even if you're using a different broker, you can practice in trading view and then press go and it'll execute in your brokerage account. So I really like that tool. There's another tool I like that's a simulator as well. It's called Rapunzel, RAP UNZL. They don't spell it all the way right. So that's why I spelled it out. But they let you practice with $10,000 of fake money, but you can actually practice trading in there as well. So I think actually referring you to brokers is great, but I also think letting you know about simulators where you can trade with
Starting point is 00:24:35 fake money is even more important, because I want you guys to practice before you just jump in and start trading. I think that's amazing advice. I didn't even know that they had simulators. That's really cool. So something else that you taught me is about margin accounts. I was listening to you and I heard that you recommend opening a margin account. So can you explain what that is?
Starting point is 00:24:58 Yes. So this is risky. Putting that out there from the jump. Yep, this is a little risky. However, it is so essential. This is one of those'm putting that out there from the jump. Yep, this is a little risky. However, it is so essential. This is one of those things where nobody tells you it's even a possibility until like you find out like in the whispers in the hallway, right?
Starting point is 00:25:16 But this is so important. So what it is is certain brokers will let you trade with two to four times your cash amount. I know I'm going to repeat that. Certain brokers will let you trade with two to four times your cash amount. That means if you have a account with Merrill Lynch, that's connected to Bank of America. They let you trade with two times your cash amount. If you have $2,000, they let you trade with $4,000. What? Or with trade station, when I was telling you guys about before,
Starting point is 00:25:49 they do four times your cash amount. So if you have $2,000 in your account, you can actually trade with $8,000. Now, why is this important? It's important for a few reasons and I know somebody is just cringing that I even mentioned it. Terry, why did you say a margin account that is so risky? Yes, but that's why we do a whole class on risk management.
Starting point is 00:26:08 That's why we teach you on the front end how to protect yourself. However, it allows you to do bigger trades, which makes you able to also trade with higher value stocks. So for example, say I only have $2,000 in my account, but I really wanna buy one share of Amazon. Well, one share of Amazon is $3,500. I can't afford that,
Starting point is 00:26:29 but Amazon moves like $100 a day. Well, what if that was my goal for the week? All I need is $100 a week. All I needed to trade was one share. That margin account would allow you to trade a higher value stock. Another reason that margin accounts are good. Margin accounts let you trade quicker. So in a regular brokerage account without
Starting point is 00:26:50 margin you have to wait for three days, three business days for your money to come back. So say I sell, I'm still talking about Amazon, so we'll keep going with that analogy. Say I sell my Amazon stock, it would take three business days for that money to get back into my account and then need to be able to trade again. If you have a margin account, you actually can start trading with that money the next day because they use that margin to refill your account, right?
Starting point is 00:27:15 And then the last thing that I love about margin accounts is you can make money on the way down. So many people think the only way you can make money is by waiting for the market to go up. I buy low and I sell high, but there's something called short selling where you can make money as the market falls. I see you nodding like you know this. So like you can actually make a lot of money when the market falls, but you can only do that in a margin account. So you just it's a it's an easy check mark on your application.
Starting point is 00:27:43 Select that you want this type of account, and it's like a line of credit. You don't have to use the extra money, but it's just there if you need it, but there's some bonuses of a margin account. That's really great. What's the risk involved is that if you lose money, you have to pay that money back. It is. If you lose that money, then you have to put more money into the account to replace it.
Starting point is 00:28:04 Another thing too is there is a small interest that you'll pay on it. So have you ever had a line of credit on a house, like a home equity line of credit or heard of that? Not on a house, but I've heard of it. Okay, so on a house, if you do a home equity line of credit, they just kind of use the equity to give you an account of money. And if you use that, you pay like a small interest, that's the same with this kind of account for trading.
Starting point is 00:28:29 If you use the money, you pay like, depending on the broker, it's very different, but it's usually like $3 for every $10,000 that you use. It's usually really small, but they'll just charge you interest for using that money until you sell your stock. Yeah. So basically, if you have a really good feeling, you did your homework, you feel like this is a very safe
Starting point is 00:28:47 investment, you just wish you had a little bit more money to get more stocks or whatever. This is a good option for you. So I love that. Another like whisper that I heard, you mentioned on another podcast that I was like, wow, I've never heard of that, is opening up your account as a joint bank account.
Starting point is 00:29:03 Yeah. Talk to us about that, why is that important? So many people ask me about taxes, and if you're a trader, an active trader, you actually shouldn't worry so much about taxes, because you literally are going to be charged like regular income. Any money that you get, it'll be the same as if you had
Starting point is 00:29:21 like a Uber job or some side hustle job. You just report the income at the end of the year and you pay the gross tax bracket of whatever your full amount of money is for the year. This is actually perfect for when you lose your job, your regular income is low. And then you make a little money from trading, but you're still only taxed at the tax bracket, your normal tax bracket, right? So some people are really scared, but they shouldn't. In that same vein, if you do a joint
Starting point is 00:29:46 account, then someone else can access the money in your account without paying taxes. So for example, I did a joint account with me and my mom. If I had a different type of account and say something happened to me and the money was transferred to her, she'd have to pay taxes on it. But since her name is already on the account, if something happens to me, she just has access to the money. So that is something else I encourage for people that do have family members that they want to have access to the money.
Starting point is 00:30:15 Really interesting, awesome advice. Okay, so next step, we need to choose a stock or an ETF. Correct? Is there anything else that we could choose? So you open your brokerage account. You choose, there's several asset classes, but the ones that I teach are stocks and options. So stocks are a regular company. Options are 100 shares of that stock.
Starting point is 00:30:40 And it's like a little bit, it's a contract that says, I agree to buy 100 shares or sell 100 shares at this date in the future. So those are the two that I teach. ETFs, what you mentioned, are just exchange traded funds, but they have several stocks in them that you can trade at one time. I like them because one, you could pick like a sector,
Starting point is 00:31:02 say that you wanted to follow all of healthcare. There's one ETF that I like called XLV. Now, you're trading all of healthcare instead of like picking, I want to be in this vaccine stock and this, Johnson and Johnson and this, such and such, and disclaimer, I'm just educational purposes. Only I'm not telling anybody to invest anything now, but you can actually invest in a sector instead of just one company that also goes for like technology.
Starting point is 00:31:30 Say you like all the technology, you can pick like XLK, that does all technology stocks, but ETFs are safe ways to invest in a group of companies instead of just one. Okay, so let me just replay this. So stock is like one company. Options is 100 shares of one company and you have a contract, you have to sell it at a certain time. Is that correct? Mm-hmm. And then ETFs is a bunch of companies and it's one share of a bunch of companies.
Starting point is 00:32:00 Yes, you're gonna be my number one student. I already see it, like go girl, yes. That's so cool. I feel like it's so much simpler. Like when you, you're going to be my number one student. I already see it. Like, go girl, yes. That's so cool. I feel like it's so much simpler. Like when you're such a good teacher, because I feel like usually you hear that and you get all like nervous. So where do you find funds?
Starting point is 00:32:14 Like, how do you know what funds exist? Like, what's a good resource to figure that out? Because I feel like that's not obvious. Yeah, I've been trading now for 11 years, and I have about 30 companies on my watch list, which I've still been trading for most of the time that I've been trading. So when you join the course, I actually will give you that list of stocks and they work really well.
Starting point is 00:32:37 So I'll just say that. And then for the ETF, there is a website that's called ETF.com, ETF.com. Check that out and you can kind of Google in there, a sector, so say healthcare, and it'll tell you all the ETFs that fall in that sector. So that's another way to check things out, but honestly, I'd go with the tried and true way in the course, join train travel,
Starting point is 00:33:01 and I'll give you all the stuff that works. Awesome. So let's get into how to pick a stock, a single stock. So I had this guy Robert Leonard on the show, he hosts Millennial Investing. And he talked about qualitative versus quantitative factors. And he believes that qualitative factors are more important. So he likes to look at things like, you like, how long have they been in business? Are they trending?
Starting point is 00:33:26 Like, what's their future like? Are they innovating? What's in the 10K that's not so obvious? And he's kind of looking through for qualitative information as opposed to just looking at the financials. So what's your perspective on that? How do you pick a stock? It sounds like he might be a fundamental investor.
Starting point is 00:33:45 So there's fundamental investors that look at, just like you said, they're looking at the earnings reports, they're looking at the forecast and really diving into the research of the company. And then there's people like me that are technical analysis traders. So we're looking at the stock chart, we're looking at price movement,
Starting point is 00:34:02 and we're usually not in a company for the long haul. So we're not as interested in its 10-year outlook. We really are looking at where is it going to move in the next month to week, right? So for me, technical analysis is more my thing. I look at candlestick charts, but I will say when I'm looking at a company, I want it to be a company on an uptrend, and I usually look over the last year. So I'm not looking at companies that have been going down over a long period of time. I'm still looking at high value company, so I don't like penny stocks. Anything less than $10 is usually
Starting point is 00:34:38 not my thing. Actually, never my thing. And I'm still looking at companies that move at least a dollar a day, because I'm trying to reach for a goal and need the stock to move. So there's some like blue collar, blue chip companies that really only move a couple cents a day. That wouldn't be one that I would trade, because I want, you know, to actually make money each day or week. Your dog is an important part of your family. Don't settle when it comes to their health. Make the switch to fresh food made with real ingredients that are backed by science with nom nom nom delivers fresh dog food that is personalized to your dog's individual needs.
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Starting point is 00:39:21 and what the promise of that is? Sure. And definitely check out trade and travel on YouTube too, because we have like a video all about candlestick charts and what the promise of that is? Sure. And definitely check out trade and travel on YouTube too, because we have like a video all about candlestick charts. But it literally tells you like each candlestick tells you where the stock price opened, where it closed, and then where the stock price moved throughout the day. And it looks like a little candle,
Starting point is 00:39:42 like a little rectangle with lines coming out. But the thing is, when you put those candlesticks together, it tells you the story of that stock. So it tells you where there's a lot of people buying and where there's a lot of people selling. And when I say people, these are big banks, like Morgan Stanley, Goldman Sachs, big banks with like millions of orders at a time.
Starting point is 00:40:03 But when you look at the direction of those, you can see like dang, all of a sudden this stop just stopped right here. Like the candles kind of do a little formation. And then you know, oh, there must be a lot of orders to buy at this stock price. And you can do the same even on the, as they go up, you're like, whoa, this, all of a sudden the candles just stopped and changed direction right here, there must be a lot of orders to sell. That's what we're following to dictate
Starting point is 00:40:30 when we want to get in and buy and sell. Awesome. So what are the ways that we would hedge our risk when it comes to day trading? What are the mechanisms to make sure that things don't go really south? Yes, let me tell you, okay first, I'm gonna just tell you about the worst trade I ever had ever. Um, it was Pandora's stock.
Starting point is 00:40:51 A one, I chose the wrong company from the jump. I like to choose companies that are also the best in their sector and I thought, oh, everybody's listening to the radio on Pandora. I did not think about Spotify, YouTube, music, Apple music, so many other competitors that were better. So one, I paid the wrong company from the jump. Second, and all these things I'm telling you are also things that I teach to mitigate your risk, one, picking
Starting point is 00:41:17 the right companies. Then I was so bold and so like greedy that I bought 8,000 shares. Girl, 8,000 shares, if it went down a dollar, I was down 8,000 dollars, right? So also monitoring your quantity size is a way to protect your risk. And I actually have formulas to help you pick all of these things. Like how do you pick how many shares, right? Another thing I did wrong was that I was trading during earnings. Earnings is when a company reports how they're doing, but it's so risky because the company may say they did wonderful and the stock price drop, or they may have said that they did horrible and it just all of a sudden jumps up. It's like playing Russian roulette, right? Don't trade like timing is also important. Not trading during earnings, looking at their calendar, right?
Starting point is 00:42:08 Then reward to risk ratio. Oftentimes we start hearing about a stock and we're like, oh my god, everybody's in it. I'm late to the game. So many people are making money. And by the time we get into it, the stock is at highs. So as soon as we get in, it starts falling. I call that FOMO, fear of missing out. That's a big mistaken trading. And then the final one
Starting point is 00:42:29 after you think about your reward to risk ratio, the final one is just knowing when to exit a stock. Oftentimes we get in but we have no exit strategy. And actually there's one other one. Part of this exit strategy is using a stop loss. A stop loss is you thinking about if this trade goes wrong, where am I going to get out of this trade? And you can put an order type in that sits in the computer and it takes you out. But also in this same exit strategy planning, you need to have a target in mind. A lot of people will get into a trade and they'll say, you know what, I'm just going to let it run. No girl, you are not just gonna let it run.
Starting point is 00:43:06 I need you to get out or guy. I need you to have a target in mind before you even get into the stock so that when it hits that, you know you can get out and take your profit. So those are some of the mistakes and the solutions for some of those mistakes that I often see to protect yourself as a trader.
Starting point is 00:43:25 And my gosh, that was so good. So talk to us about the emotion involved because what you just mentioned was really an emotional thing. The fact, if you see it going up, you're like, well, I don't want to take it out. I just want to let it ride. You get greedy, right? So what are the emotions that we need to watch out for
Starting point is 00:43:42 when it comes to this stuff? Trading is so emotional. I'm so glad that you brought that up because even on that one trade, the one I told you was my most horrible trade ever, girl. I was boo-hoo crying. I almost quit trading all together. That day I called my mom and I was like,
Starting point is 00:43:59 I'm quitting. I don't know what to do. And she was so calm, what she is not a calm person. You're gonna meet her. And she's usually like the super bubbly. But she told me in that moment, she said, well, Terry, how are you gonna get your money back if you don't keep going?
Starting point is 00:44:18 And so all of a sudden, I'm still crying. I can like barely see through the tears. But I'm like, okay, fine. Let me try to figure it out. But it is emotional. Some of the emotions, like you're going to get greedy sometimes. When you see it go green, you're going to want just one more dollar. And girl, there have been some million dollar days where I did not take my profit because I just wanted a couple more cents.
Starting point is 00:44:42 And I risked my whole million dollar gain for just a couple more cents, right? And that's stupid. It sounds so simple, but in your mind, when you're in it, you're like, oh, it's gonna go up just, you have hope, you're gonna go up just a little bit more. And then when it falls, there's also this despair. And I think sometimes people start questioning themselves as a person, and I don't want to scare anybody from trading.
Starting point is 00:45:07 Like a trading plan will help you with this. When you have a set of, like, this is what I do every time, then it takes some of the emotion out, but we're just, we're talking real talk right now. When your trade is going down, you feel a little hopeless sometimes, and then another thing is sometimes, I caught myself doing this, I would question myself, like, man, Terry, that was so stupid. You know better than that. Dang, you do this every time. But I think that's a discipline that learning how to become a
Starting point is 00:45:35 better trader has also learned taught me how to become a better person. Because any time you have a struggle or a hard time in life, you have to learn how to not directly push it back to yourself and feel like, well, I'm just bad. No, the situation is bad. This is a hard time right now. This happened to me, but it doesn't mean that I'm a bad person. So these are all things that you learn as you become a better trader.
Starting point is 00:46:04 The other thing I imagine is you probably have like a set of rules or values that no matter what the environment is, you've got to stick to your values. And I feel like that also can help in real life too. Like just learning that skill and not just being reactive to everything. It does, it definitely does.
Starting point is 00:46:21 Okay, so last stock related question and then we'll start to close this out. What is a risk to reward ratio? How does that work? I'd love to learn more about that. Yes, so as I'm looking at the stock chart and I'm determining, okay, this is the price where I want to get in. I can also look at that same chart and say, okay, this is where I want to get out. As I'm looking at that, that's my risk from where I want to get out. As I'm looking at that, that's my risk from where I get into the trade to where I'm planning to like get out on the bottom side, like if it goes wrong, that's the amount of risk that I'm taking. Now I have to determine
Starting point is 00:46:57 is this trade going to give me three times the risk that I'm taking on for this trade? And you can actually figure that out as well by looking at a stock chart. That's why I that I'm taking on for this trade. And you can actually figure that out as well by looking at a stock chart. That's why I say I'm a technical analysis trader. I'm very heavy on looking at stock charts. If the, I can calculate that the reward is three times the amount of risk that I found on the chart, then I'll take the trade.
Starting point is 00:47:19 But if the reward is not three times the risk, then that trade's not worth it. I'll go on to another stock or I'll just wait. And sometimes traders have to learn how to do that to just be patient and wait for the right opportunity. Amazing. Terry, this has been such an incredible interview. The last question I ask all my guests is what is your secret to profiting in life? I'm a very spiritual person, so I do say that believing in a higher power, believing in God and believing that there is a reason
Starting point is 00:47:52 why I'm helping all this people because the world will be a better place. I think that's been really a big blessing for me. And then just persistence. Keep going, even when it gets tough, just keep going. Oh, I love that. That's beautiful. Where can our listeners go to learn more about you and everything that you do? Definitely check out that free webinar at trade and travel.com, trade and travel.com.
Starting point is 00:48:14 And you can find us everywhere at trade and travel YouTube, Instagram everywhere. Cool. We're going to stick those links in the show notes. Terry, such a great interview. So jam packed with information. I think my listeners are going to love it. I can't wait to collaborate again. I can't wait to meet you in person tonight. And thank you so much. Same here. Thanks for having me. Thanks for listening to Young and Profiting podcast and my
Starting point is 00:48:37 conversation with Terry Ijoma. Terry decided to take a huge leap of faith and invested half of her salary into a class that would teach her about stocks and day trading. This big risk paid off tenfold, and she's now a professional day trader who has her own insanely popular course on Teachable that teaches everything people need to know about trading. There's so much information available to us about day trading and stocks that it can be
Starting point is 00:49:03 pretty overwhelming to get started. But Terry gave us her tried and true advice on how to begin and stresses the importance of investing in ourselves to be able to level up our lives as well as our financial futures. Terry covered the basics of getting started and I'm going to go over a few key points she made to let them really sink in. First things first, you've got to open up a brokerage account. Terry told us some great suggestions for accounts and also for trading simulator websites that can help us practice before we actually work with any real money or stocks. All the sites that Terry
Starting point is 00:49:36 recommended will be linked in our show notes. Now let's move over to some definitions. Day trading is the act of buying and selling a stock account on the same day to turn a profit. The key is you've got to do this on the same day. Now swing trading is buying a stock and holding it, even if it's just over 24 hours or longer and then selling it. There's no right or wrong answer on whether to day trade or swing trade or even long term invest when you first start trading. Just pick whatever works for you and your goals best. The next step would be to choose a stock or an ETF. While a stock is a regular share in a company, an exchange traded fund is several stocks
Starting point is 00:50:19 rolled into one that you can trade all at the same time. Again, there's no right or wrong in which option you choose. Whatever is the most aligned with your goals is the one you should go for. And finally, don't forget about the emotional side to trading. There's going to be good days and bad days. The market is always fluctuating, but dealing with these emotions as they come and knowing that your trades and your investments don't define you is going to carry you through the ups and the downs. There's so much knowledge that Terry shared and I definitely recommend everyone checking out her free webinar as well as her paid course at trade and travel.
Starting point is 00:50:55 After all, she's the number one course on Teachable for a Reason. If you want to hear more about investing and turning investments into financial freedom, go check out episode number 84, the path to financial freedom with Peter Malook. Here's a clip from that episode. So tell us, why is it so important to know exactly what we want before we actually start investing and start putting our money in stocks and things like that? A lot of us just think, well, when we want to make a lot of money, that's what a lot of us think we want. And so we then go to somebody or we do it on our own and say, I'm going to buy things that make a lot of money. But really, we want to make a lot of money, why, you know, to do what?
Starting point is 00:51:34 Is it to have 120,000 a year when you're 63? Is it to have the money to pay for someone's college, whether it's public school or private school for four years? Are we going to cover room and board or not? Is it because we want to give 10% of our money every year to charity or something different? If we have those pieces in place, which should come first, if we know what the goal is first, it becomes very easy to reverse engineer our way to how do we, how do we put the pieces in place to make those things happen? And sometimes those are aggressive investments.
Starting point is 00:52:07 Sometimes they're not. Sometimes to increase the chance of hitting a goal, you get more conservative. So let's say you have somebody that's super lucky and they've got a million dollars, and they need 50,000 a year for the rest of their life and they're retiring today. Well, if they're super aggressive, they could actually screw up something that would work out just fine if they were moderately invested. So we really have to know what the objective is because the objective is not always to create the biggest pile of money next year possible.
Starting point is 00:52:33 It's usually to produce something you personally want and then you back into the investments that make sense to get there. Thanks for listening to Young and Profiting Podcast. Make sure you connect with me on social media. You can find me at Instagram at Yap with Hala or LinkedIn, just search my name, it's Halataha. Big thanks to Yap Team as always, this is your host, Halataha, signing off. Are you looking for ways to be happier, healthier, more productive and more creative?
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