Your Mom's House with Christina P. and Tom Segura - 427-Dr. Drew-Your Mom's House with Christina P and Tom Segura

Episode Date: December 20, 2017

After years of podcasting and hundreds of shows we thought, "How about a little intelligence on this show for a change? How about...a Doctor?" Luckily for all of us Dr Drew agreed (before knowing what our show is about) to come on and no description can do it justice.  He shared stories about his life and let us know what he thought about the many clips we play on this show.  All we can say is, we wish it never ended. 

This is, we've voted between the two of us, that this Dr. Drew episode is just one of our favorites ever. You know, we recorded it a while ago and I cannot stop thinking about it and laughing about it to myself. It was so, it was such a fun time, it exceeded our expectations. The big, you know, craziness with it was that we had, I don't, I guess we must have removed the digital cards from the cameras before we stopped recording. So what happened, I think that's what happened.

So what happened was, we gave those cards to our producer like we do blue band every week and when we gave them to him, he goes, hey, only one of the cameras, only one of the cards has an angle on it, the other two don't and I was just devastated. So I gave, I said, he said, you can take it to data recovery, takes it there. Meanwhile, we go to record an episode a week or so ago with Josh Winesign and when I opened the camera, it says, do you want to recover the data that was left on the car, insert the card you had in here last? Oh my, I was so lucky.

So I call him in a panic and I say, bring those cards, go pick them up from data recovery, bring them back here and let's see if we can salvage the video. And we did. Thank God. So the video was so important to us too, as much as the audio is the best. It's like now there's a lot of people watching on YouTube, the video, especially for this episode meant so much to see Dr. Drew's face. This absolutely is my favorite episode we have ever done of your house.

I kind of tend to agree. I think because I also drew is such a great fit for the types of clips that we play. I'll just, I'll just say that little kernel that it was an interesting fit to have him here watching the stuff that we laugh at every week. It was great. It was a really good fit. I am done for the year. I have no more stuff on the books.

I'm going to be announcing some 28 teen stuff pretty soon. The one thing I can tell you is that my special disgraceful comes out January 12th on Netflix. Chips in a ball. I'm very excited for it. Very thankful to have the opportunity from Netflix. And I hope you guys check it out January 12th. Mark your calendars. Give it a stream for me.

Tell your friends to watch it. Give it a stream for us. Is that the new saying? The kids are all. I don't know. Give it a stream. Gene, I know you are going to be a 2018 road dog in a little bit. A little bit.

I'm doing select appearances January 12th. I am at the ice house in Pasadena and you will be joining me the gene machine. That's the same night it comes out. I know it will be celebrating February 2nd and 3rd Salt Lake City, Utah. Wise Guys Comedy Club February 23rd, Calusa Casino in Calusa, California. One show only and then March 30th and 31st Portland, Oregon at Helium Comedy Club tickets at Christina P online. Get them now.

There it is. There it is. Gene. There it is. Woop. Thank you guys very much. Geez. Please enjoy this episode as much as we did with the great Dr. Drew.

We're rolling and it's funny that you mentioned that. Our very special guest today is the delightful and tremendously. I hope you still feel that way. I hope you feel I'm delightful and just has an absolutely, I would say a tremendously tempting torso. Dr. Drew, the body, Pinsky is here many years ago. We got a peek behind the curtain of your upper body and I got to say that was a long time ago.

You mask that on. You deliberately do that. Don't you? On TV. He's ripped. He's so ripped. I remember seeing him and I was like, what? And I'd seen you for a while on TV and then I see you shirtless at a pool and I'm like,

what the fuck? This guy. I'm like, I'm gonna throw my waist or something and just had my super body. I mean, was that something that you got into a long time ago? Waylifting. Yeah. Long time ago when I was 14. And so you did.

I've almost never stopped. Yeah. It's weird. But now it's become my, my like, my meditation. Now I get. Waylifting. I do. Well, it's not even barely waylifting anymore, but it's, it's, I listened to podcast and

I just sit and I just, I go into like a meditative state and did your wife talk during this podcast and I was like, no, it's all Tom right now. He's excited. I'm mesmerized by his body. We're huge fans of you, Dr. Drew. This is the fact. In, in 08, Tom and I were living in the Rampart division. We were engaged.

We went to one bedroom apartment, but celebrity rehab was the glue to our marriage. Wow. We're huge fans. We've seen every episode. We, we were obsessed with you. I've listened to you since love lines, since the poor man days. That's kind of weird. K-Rock.

I'm almost like 13. We go back to his body, but I want to know. So one thing that, that stood out the most is that it really felt like nobody would know that you were this in shape dude, which is kind of like an interesting thing. A lot of people that are really into fitness would like make an effort to go like, I'm going to show everybody and, and I'm going to show them because I've earned it, which then you go like, oh yeah, that's a good point. I feel like none of the clothes you wear on celebrity rehab or any knee would flaunt.

No, no, no. That's true. Why aren't you flaunting it? No. Because it takes away from credibility as a, You'd be a weird, early on in my career as a physician, I always thought that'd be kind of weird. Yeah.

I remember I used to wear green sometimes and people would be like, So did you wear, did you have to shop for like oversize shirts? Was that part of you? No, but I always had problem with shoulder and arm fit. I've always had, it's just now I'm constructed. Yeah. So the way that this stuff gets big here. Yeah.

And I remember a nurse coming to us. That's not doctor arms. I thought, oh, that's weird. Oh. Cover that all up. Okay. So wait. You're saying you wore green?

Greens. You know, surgical greens. Oh, and in your, you looked, excuse me, ripped. I didn't look like a, the rest of everybody else. So I was like, oh, that's weird. I feel like after, I mean, I'm probably the one that just outed you. But I think for the audience, you're going to have to post some, some thirst trap and kick.

I will. I'd love to lose about 10 pounds first. So my wife, my, we were in Mexico last week and my wife posted a picture for the two of us in a baby. She, she's biotic. She has some insane genes. It's all just natural with her. And God bless her.

And her bless her heart as they say, bless your heart, bless your heart. And she took this picture. I'm like, for God's sake, at least make me sit up. I look like, I'm like, I look like I'm part of like MS or something. In this marriage now, we have a long standing thing where it's like, you take a picture of me. I'm, I'm reviewing it. You get less first right of refusal.

Well, and I also look over the outfit and make sure he doesn't look homeless or weird. Good. Yeah. Yeah. You need that. You don't think about that. No, you got to make sure somebody loves you. That's what we say.

When we say a sad guy out there that's dressed all fucked up, it's because the wife doesn't love him. Yeah, we go. Someone doesn't love you, man. Yeah. You need love in your life. Yeah. So true.

So Drew, how did you get into being this like celebrity, I don't want to say celebrity doctor. How did it happen? How did you get on K-Rod? I'll tell the long story, but we were talking about Stern before we, you're going on Stern this week. Well, no, the wrap-up show. The wrap-up show, which is, which is these days equally as an honor.

I'm so excited. I've sat in the real seat, the Howard interview seat, and that's reserved now for like Gwyneth Paltrow. Oh, it's such, it's so. Yeah. No one gets in there anymore. So A-list. Yeah.

But when I was in there, I would tell you, it's a very interesting seat to sit in because it's like, it's like he hypnotizes you. Like you're in a truth serum. Wow. He just got to go with him and just got to become abject honesty and he just has this amazing way of just, just getting into something. He's such a gifted interview. And he follows his nose, it's from all his, it's from all his therapy and stuff and all

his, all the treatments have. But I was, this is the story I wanted to tell you. I was, my mother just died recently and I should, very advanced age and I, no, no, certain lives should be celebrated when people, you know, if they live in your nineties and you had a good life. No, everything's fine. Yeah. Everything is fine.

But I was cleaning up her basement. I found a stack of my old mad magazines. I found them in 1618, 1972. I've got a whole stack of cash of them and I thought, oh my God, Howard loves these things. I bet he loved this. So I went and I wrapped it up in butcher paper and I went and got bought a car and I'd run a handwritten note and I gave it to him and I was just totally crestfallen when, when the next day on the radio, he was just going off about, why would somebody send anyone

this piece of shit, this trashy garb and spider webs and he goes, he goes, I'm going to wipe my ass and send him. I use toilet paper that he went, he went off for 20 minutes about it and then it came up again today. He went off again today because apparently I brought up with Corolla on the Adam and Drew podcast and, and I told him, I was, you know, I was looking forward to him hearing that, hearing that he liked this gift and I was just, just, it's stung pretty bad. Of course it wouldn't be good radio if it didn't sting, right?

It had to be real. And he would, would have been a mention became a 20 minute bet. That's his genius, right? Right. But it's stung. It's still stung. I called Howard and told him that I was unhappy. So that came up on the radio today.

So there you go. How bizarre. And now I'm going to, and you're going and Gary was talking about Gary, then sent me a note. Listen to this. Gary sent me a note that tonight he got a text from somebody demanding an apology claiming to be me. And I was like, Gary, no, no, no, no, no, a million miles from that million.

I'm fine. I understand. You're kind of hurt though. If it didn't hurt. I also know. Yes. I was, I was crest falls stung. I was disappointed.

But then I thought to myself, if it didn't sting, this would not have been good radio. It just has to be that kind of truth. You really, you really just wanted him to be like, I would have to go, oh my, yes, yes. I thought of him in a really twangy moment. But then again, it wouldn't be Howard Stern if he wouldn't take something awesome and make it a neurotic, funny, absolutely. And Gary, and Gary just goes, I sent him an email and Gary goes, walk into my world. Yeah.

He goes, no good deed goes and punish right here. That's true. That's 30 years. He's been dealing with that. Yeah. Yeah. Every little thing. He's like, I thought you'd like that.

And then Stern. Yeah. That's the best because on that show, they're always talking about, it's the only place where if you do something good, it gets turned into something. He goes, whoops. Hilarious. Okay. Wow.

That's from Gary. Someone pretending to be you, demanding an apology. That's crazy. That's crazy. That's crazy. So, so the long story, it is crazy talk. The long story is, I, let's see, I think I take it all the way back. I was a third year medical, fourth year medical student and I was out here in Pasadena, living

less than a block from what was then K-Rock. And K-Rock, back in the day when you were 13, was this little shithole over like a dental office. I mean, it was really a horrible place. I wish we'd taken video and stuff of it because it was, like, never will be recreated, this kind of an environment. And they're kind of working on a documentary on it right now. On K-Rock?

Yeah. Oh, yeah. And they're interviewing everybody. And Rodney Bingenheim. Rodney, of course. And so, so it was, I would just, I was really getting frustrated with music and people started talking about the station and I, oh, it's up the street. How interesting.

I started listening, getting, getting really excited about it. People I knew that live nearby were starting to go over there, new people. And this guy calls me that it was hanging out over there and he goes, hey, they got the show in the middle of the night. Apparently two guys were just taking calls about relationships and their program director told them they need to make it a community service show, right? They needed to make, because they had community service hours. So they gave them midnight, Sunday night to 3 a.m. Monday morning.

Fantastic. Yeah. And, but then they were trying to figure out how to make community service. And my friend, I guess, suggested me or I'm in medical school or something. Maybe I could, and they call me and they go, hey, I tell you what I want to do. I want you to do a segment called ask a surgeon. You'll use big words. They'll be really funny.

I'm like, what are you talking about? Funny. So they finally, long story, they got me in there. I brought my textbooks and my gynecology text, my infectious disease textbooks. I literally carried textbooks up there, really not having any idea what I was getting into, but I was freaked out. And lo and behold, I heard these just amazing things coming, being presented to, to, was the poor man in the Swedish Eagle in the middle of the night and Scott Mason.

Goddamn, these Swedish Eagles still around. Yeah, it's only serious. And I thought, I should, I should come back. And what stuck down, what really stunned me was I was dealing with a lot of AIDS patients then, and continued to the next five years, doing tons of AIDS work. And no one was talking to young people about it. We'd just been to the sexual revolution, well, the adults that perpetrated that never contemplated that adolescents would engage in sexuality.

Sure. Condoms were behind the counter. You had to ask the pharmacists for them. The term safe sex hadn't been coined yet. People were not talking to adults, young adults about this at all. Yeah. And I was like, dude, so I was 24 and I was like, hey, I know what, 89 year olds are up.

89 year olds are up too. We got to, we got to talk about this. And no one had ever heard, in fact, we just were transitioning from calling it grids to AIDS. Yeah, we're calling it AIDS then, but we weren't calling it, we hadn't identified the virus yet. Wow. We had just, we're getting HTLV3, remember that?

HTLV3. Did you suggest talking about this on the air? Is that? No, they came to him. They came to him. And so I just came in there as to do this little segment. A poor man, right? A poor man and eagle.

And I was like, oh my God, this is like, I got to keep coming back. And they said, hang out. So I'd sort of hang out in the hall and if something came up or if I wasn't on call. That's so crazy. And I'd stay there from like midnight to two or something, hang around. And finally, I would start sitting at the table with them and being a part of it. And it was, it became apparent to me early that it was a two-man thing, like sort of a parent-child kind of conflict thing or funny and straight, whatever.

And I just thought it was important. And for 10 years, I was doing what I thought was one night a week, community service. I thought it was just interesting. It was like my social hour, I'd meet interesting people, we'd have guests in there. And it was just interesting and fun. I met my wife through there, so yeah, yeah. And after 10 years of doing it one night a week. 10 years?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a wow. Yeah, for free. For free. They put it on five nights a week. Because I remember what happened was, I remember what they, they got a rate, they moved it to like 10 to one at that point because they kept people getting started, had a buzz around. It had to be late because it was sexual content, right?

Yeah, yeah. But after those 10 years, I mean, you had finished your internship and residency. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah. I was on practicing and stuff. What were you practicing? What kind of medicine? What kind of medicine? But I was also doing, at that point, let me think about this, late 80s, I was doing, running

the medical services in a psychiatric hospital. So I was also doing, I was doing an acute care inpatient thing. I was doing medical services, psychiatric hospital, and then an outpatient medical deal. And so much. But it was a lot. I was way workaholic. And I'm like, I have two podcasts to record this week. And a show.

No, I was way workaholic, I was like sick workaholic, I was like bad, bad, bad, bad. And in 91, so now it was, I guess it was eight years now. So it was eight years of five nights, ten nights, one night a week. They got a rating book on this show. They don't do ratings book normally, they have to ask for it or pay for it. And I'll never forget this, we got a 28 share. What? This is like an-

Is that good? Sorry, I don't know anything about it. This is in a market where if you get a .3, you're doing great. Get out! It's a 28. And I remember I called the program director, I go, look, I'm, I don't really know much about this, but I think we're all participating in something here. I didn't really know, but 28 seems like crazy to me.

He goes, and I'll never forget this, it was Trip Reeve, it was the general manager, he goes, because why do you have balls? I put this on five nights a week. That's what I'm going to do. I'm going to put it on five nights a week. And I thought, uh-oh. Because I, you know, I was, I was working from five in the morning to ten at night at that point.

I was severe, severe, severe, severe, severe, severe, and Susan immediately then got pregnant with triplets. Triplets? Yeah. And so she goes, she goes, if you're out five nights a week, it's not community service anymore. You got to get paid. Hell yeah.

So she sent me in, see, somebody loved me, sent me in and I was hat in hand with, could you please, could I please get paid? I can't, you're having kids and stuff. And that's where it all got started. Now was that first offer? And I don't imagine it's going to be crazy, but like, was it a decent offer? $50 a show. It was $91.

$91? $91. Yeah. Yeah. What? But, but, but they sort of promised like, we'll have a real contract if this goes to other things. How long was it?

You stay at $50 a show? It didn't seem that long because then it got syndicated and so- So you started to get paid? A little bit. A little bit. Okay. And then in 95, these television producers turned up and I was doing with Ricky Rackman then.

Oh yeah. I remember that guy. Yeah. And these, and they were like, was it a TV show? Interesting. It's all, it was all kind of an exploration for me. It's like, I still thought I was doing kind of a community service because there was nowhere for it to talk to kids about this stuff.

And I thought there was just so much encouragement of bad, unhealthy behavior. I thought, well, we're just going to be here and be this advocate for decent behavior. And there's a long story there too, but eventually Ricky bowed out. He couldn't make a deal with them and they turned to me and they go, who do you want to do with this? And I was like, I have no idea. I'm fine. Just leave me alone to practice medicine.

I can do this on Friday afternoon and Saturday afternoon. That's it. Otherwise, leave me alone. And I went out running one day and I was in a spot, I remember the spot where it was when I thought, God, I bet that guy that does Mr. Bircham in the morning could do this. We had met once before and I thought, I bet that guy can do it. So they, how much, there's many details to get into all this, but they brought him out.

They tested us. Everyone seemed to like it. Put us in a makeup booth and they go, you guys work out your relationship. We'll start filming in an hour. Oh my God. And we filmed for like nine hours, the pilot for Love Line that ended up on MTV, which by the way, at that point was a Fox show, long story there too, that got canceled and then picked up by MTV.

Well, MTV was, I think, a decent home for, because of the subject matter of the demographic. I think it might have failed at Fox. That's absolutely right. Yeah. And, but I'll, one, one sort of memory I have about that first day of filming the pilot is our stage manager, Tracy came up to us, who she became our stage manager. We went, did it for like five years. And who was your partner there?

What was with Adam? It was with Adam. That was the TV now. This is MTV. And he hadn't even started the radio yet. We were just doing, doing this podcast, this pilot for, for the TV show. And he's, we started doing the TV show before he came over to radio. Yeah.

And, and Teri's goes, how many of you guys have been working together? We looked each other with, we met this morning and I thought, oh, that must mean something. That's good. That's significant. Yeah. I think that probably means chemistry. I always wondered this, like, without like knowing, you know, so much about the show, that you being a doctor and having to, you know, think about the advice you're giving

out with, whether it's being like healthy and, and, you know, ethically, right? Do you ever have those like moments, even though, you know, it's entertainment where somebody asked something and Adam being comedic gives advice that you're like, you can not suggest. Constantly. Oh really? Yeah. That was the whole show.

I don't know. I don't know. No other radio version. Like, hey, no, that's bad. But I mean, like where you get serious about it, where you're like, yeah, it was not so much with Adam because he really had a pretty good instinct on things, but Ricky and poor man more, more of that. And I actually got in almost in a, almost in a violent fight with John Faber over this.

He was John Faber. John Faber, the director? The director. He had just done the swingers, right? Wasn't that his big break up? Yeah. Yeah, that's right. And he was the guest on Love Line, the TV show, and this guy calls in and he was clearly

schizophrenic and dangerously psychotic and like in danger of self-harm or harming other people and complaining about in a paranoid way about people who are trying to make him take his medication. And then Faber goes, don't tell, don't let anybody tell you what to do. Do not take those medicines. And I went, whoa, whoa, you got to stop. This is dangerous. This guy's actually sick.

Who do you think you are? I'm like, oh dude, don't go there when you're talking to a sick person and we got into it. Yeah, see, that's the shit I want to see. I want to watch that. And then I had, then on the next, so we would film show after show after show. We didn't know any better. We took six shows a day. Adam and I were changing clothes.

Filming another change. And the next show, I had a panic attack and I had to leave the stage because I didn't run because I was still upset from this fight with John Faber. And Adam comes into my dressing room and he goes, hey, get the fuck, get back out there. If I had to spend one more minute in this goddamn studio than I have to, because of you, I'm going to kick your ass. Get your ass in there. And he's like, and ever since then, he's like, you see, I cured your panic attacks.

And he has panic attacks. Oh my God. Well, that show, Love Line, I mean, the early, the radio show taught me everything about sad things. Well, you didn't have anywhere else to go. And my idea was the same, in addition to being wanting to talk about AIDS and things like that, my naive notion at 24 when I started doing was, is I wish I had, if I had had something like this.

If I knew somebody with this fund of knowledge that I know how, have now have, what would I have wanted to know? And I retained that sort of naive posture for about most of the way, run through the run of that. They got a little more involved once, but towards the end of the 90s, people were kind of more sophisticated. I think they were getting information from different sources and things. And then the internet just, that's the end of it.

Do you find that in entertainment, because you live out here, you're involved in entertainment and you also know so much about, you know, mental health, are there more like actors and comics and whatnot that are prone to mental health issues? So I told you I ran the psychiatric medical service, well, then I transitioned over to running their addiction services. And I really, a lot of my time was spent doing running an addiction unit for 91 to 2011 essentially. So 20 years I ran a drug unit, I used to hang out there for a long time before I started running it, because then that's how I sort of learned about it and stuff.

So about 25 years in addiction medicine. And Sleby Rehab came out of just somebody, a really good producer named John Irwin just came to me and said, do you want to do this? I'm like, wow, what a great, this would be really great to teach people about this. But this cannot be done. It's just not possible. You're kidding yourself. And he went to the hospitals and they've looked him like she got to be nuts.

And we finally figured out, I figured out a way you could do it, which I took my team and I put them under residential facility. I knew the director there and he wanted to do it as a long story. But in the course of all this, a professor at SC in the business school, he's actually a behavioral economist specialist, and I put together a questionnaire. He was interested in sort of the business of entertainment and he and I had a conversation when he's my neighbor. And I said, well, you really should understand the people that are the product, the people

that are the celebrities and the mattress and I said, and they're all sick. I know they are because I talk to them every night and they have an inordinate tendency to have had trauma and other things. And he goes, well, let's test that because it was not published anywhere. So we sort of figured out a way to do that. We use something called a narcissistic personality inventory and everybody that came on Love One filled one out for two years. And so we, so we collected 250 profiles on people and it was, you know, significant

celebrities and reality, a good mix of reality, comedians and musicians and things. And we analyzed it. All have malignant personality. Well, not malignant. Not malignant. So it turned out, well, the malignant was the female reality show group. They were like a malignant personality. Yeah.

Well, it's like some politicians. We wanted to do politicians. That's our next study, frankly, because we know it's going to be the same. Comics had more trauma. Yeah. Totally. Musicians had more substance. Right?

Substance abuse problems. Substance addiction, yeah. And we were able to show that overall, somebody who pursued being a celebrity was more likely to have narcissistic personality traits and narcissistic injury and trauma and substance abuse too. We sort of, we didn't publish that day. We just published the narcissism thing. It's fascinating.

And it became international press. It became, it was probably, it was spread all over the world. We ended up writing a book about it called the mirror effect. And so yes, the point is somebody that... I got to look up this book now. It's called the mirror effect. And someone that, I mean, it's very, you know, we wrote it in such a way that it was popular for general consumption.

Well, it's hard to not think of this industry that we're in that we participate in as in large part. Like, you know, it is like the thing we wanted to do, we do it, we do it for a living. We enjoy doing it. Yeah. But part of me always goes like, this overall might not be the healthiest business to be in. It's a show that it was a bid to solve those traumas.

We were in a connection between the... Have you been talking to my therapist? And so it's a bid to solve. It's supposed to fill our emptiness, supposed to fill what's wrong inside. And of course it does that. It works. It works every time. It works when you're up on stage and stuff and then it doesn't work.

And then the other thing, my dad always brings this up to me about like all sort of his analysis of like Hollywood culture. No, no, no. But his outside observation, especially when there's like a suicide or overdose or something like that, he'll be like, you know, he always talks about how it's such a struggle to make it in this business. But he's like, man, the struggle once you've made it has to be so hard. So we started looking at all that.

And you gotta remember, some people, people that become, say, actors and say have no discernible skill other than kind of acting. And they put it all on this. You're willing to risk it all to be celebrity. It's like, that's a pretty heavy bet. You know what I mean? And they don't back it up with any other training or any other disciplines or work. They just, I'm going to be this and that's that.

It sounds really dumb when you break it down. Right? Right? Well, but comedy is there's a road and a discipline and a procedure. It's a skill. Yeah. And we're also able to show that celebrities that had skills were less narcissistic. So like a cello player or a pianist.

A craft, if you will. Well, not that acting is not, but I guess a bit of a professional craft, like a journalism. You could sell it on the street. That's right. That's right. So we were able to show that. So again, the reality shows the worst. There's no, because there's no craft.

Hey man, it's me. That's it. Just me. You can. It's by the way. No psychological training. You can pick that up from reality people. That's right.

Hey guys, that was on road rules. But in the early nineties, come on. We didn't fight. We didn't fight. You guys didn't come. That whole group came on our, on Love Line, the TV show. You were a part of that. I wish, but no.

Sorry. But the other thing is it doesn't fix the emptiness and it also exposes people to shame because there's a disconnect between the adulation that they're getting from the outside and how they feel on the inside. And then they're fearful that people are going to see that inside stuff. Then if they are really famous, they have a group around them that insulates them from consequences. We talk about this all the time.

So they don't get more addiction than anybody else. Well, they do a little bit more per our data. But they're not worse addicts. It's just, it spirals out further because there's no one there to bring them back. Is there any, because I was thinking how unnatural it is to become a really big celebrity. Yeah. Especially about anything else. Think about that.

They have no other jobs. I know. And also real. When you see super, super celebrities, like there's almost always these weird personality traits that you see in quirks, you know, like the Michael Jackson's where you're like, Jesus Christ. You also can't wrap your head around how famous that is. I wonder if there's any healthy way to approach, prepare yourself, not really prepared, because

most people aren't going to have it, but like how to deal with that level of celebrity. It just seems like it's so. Most people that I've met that are semi sane had some other career before. Really? Yeah. I mean, making it later seems to be a healthy and later. Yeah. Well, I'm even thinking of like Tom Jones and Julio Iglesias, when you, when you meet

them, they just go, Hey, man, I was just a soccer player and then all of a sudden this weird thing happened to me. It's like, but I'm still that just that guy like playing soccer and I like singing. It was good. And look, there's be willed as anybody as opposed to, Hey, man, this is me. This is what it's all about, which is a different thing. Dangerous. Identify.

We talk about too with like with comedy, really the best comics in the world are like at least 40 and usually late forties. And I think it's a much healthier example for comics to see that like, cause it doesn't happen. Usually at 22, you know, Eddie Murphy. Yeah. But like basically comics work for a long, long time. I think that prepares a lot of them for that exposure.

Yeah. Because they're a more grounded. Yeah. It's a discipline. You've been serving or serving a crowd. Well, and you're also treated like shit for so many years. It actually is quite hard to get an ego from comedy. It's very humbling.

You can be Seinfeld, but you're working on that new hour. You're going to eat shit after five minutes. So it's this constant thing of, of suffering really built in to stand up, which is great. Which is like, if it's, it's more like blue collar amongst entertainment. Yeah. Yeah. But it's also the new rock star in a weird way for the last five years or so. Yeah.

Yeah. It's been like, yeah. It's been very interesting. Oh, even though the millennials are screwing that up. Yeah. Well, let's, uh, I'd like to talk to you about that too. Do you think our president is anti-social? Oh my God.

Uh, I think it's just straight up narcissism. Yes, it is. Well, we have so many people we'd like you to analyze on today's show. But, but I, you know, it's politics to me and even just questions about what are the right and wrong ways for government to function and stuff to me is so fantastically complex. I just go, I don't, I don't know. It's hubristic to think I would know the right thing to do. I started worrying about Trump and I started thinking, okay, where else are we seeing guys

like this? Okay. Andrew Jackson for sure. Very much as a fucking Andrew Jackson as Yosemite Sam. I mean, he was, I mean, you read anything about him, but he was nuts. Yeah. And it worked out okay. And that's a good for some of the Indians on the, you know, Southern area of the United

States, but it worked for the country. It worked out okay. Uh, and then I thought, oh my God, Teddy Roosevelt was a malignant narcissist. Was he? I did not know that. And bipolar as hell. My polar also. Oh, I mean, he never took a meeting sitting down.

You have to follow him through the park where he marched through a park and climb hills and stuff. He would, everything was outdoors and moving and shit. And I thought, well, he's my favorite president. And so I don't know. The narcissist bipolar is good, bad. Hell, I don't know. It's scary.

It's interesting. I didn't consider this as a kid, you know, as a kid, presidents are just kind of like gods. Yeah. But as I became an adult, I remember one time this conversation about presidents and personalities came up and somebody said something along the lines of, can you imagine the ego you would need just to run? Yeah.

Just to say, I wish to do that. Who wants to do that? I remember thinking about that and that having, that having one of those like aha effects where I was like, Jesus, I've never considered that, that they all have to be pretty. Absolutely. Don't you need a personality? Maybe Jimmy Carter or not. And he didn't work.

It works. Yeah. It didn't work so well in the office. You have to really think you're the shit. Yeah. And I have a weird preoccupation with reading presidential biographies because I just one day I had a similar kind of epiphany. I was looking at the penny going, hey, the kind of pennies, not just a profile, that's

a person. Yeah. And I know something about how people work right now. What happened to that guy's childhood? I need to know. So I started reading and I've read like 20 Clinton Lincoln biographies and I'm reading grants biography right now, but Cherno's new thing. So good.

So, so. Right now Lincoln. Hold on. Wasn't Lincoln severely depressive? Well, there's an interesting wrinkle in that. Yes, he was. He was sort of bipolar maybe too. But he really an interesting wrinkle.

It finally started making sense to me because he has all kind of fit together in my head the way I know how people are. I keep jumping out of you. No, no, no, no. I just like to make sure. So, so a guy in a row wrote a book called The Lincoln Marriage discovered a whole trove of letter correspondences between Abraham Lincoln and a doctor in Springfield who he started seeing before he married Mary Todd and he found all these letters where Lincoln

was convinced he had syphilis. I think that's why he broke off the first engage with Mary Todd. He saw a prostitute became convinced there's all this story, but he went by the river and is all this. That's where the prostitutes hung out and became a convinced he had syphilis, dropped the marriage with Mary Todd. This doctor and letters reassured him. Take this mercury.

You'll be fine. You can go ahead. Mercury. Mercury is how they treated syphilis. They treated a lot of things. Well, and there's all this correspondence going all the way into the White House. He remains on the mercury most of the way through his presidency. Do you know what the main side effect of mercury is?

No, depression. Depression. And I thought, oh, that's why he had severe vegetative depressions as a story of him pulling Willie. I think it was Willie or Ted down the street in a wagon down Pennsylvania Avenue and they said he they found him at the at the Capitol building still dragging the wagon upside down with Ted like a mile up the street. What?

Yeah. Yeah. He was going these vegetative depressions. That's another thing, by the way, that I feel like he's severely suicidal at one point too. They they what's the good guy used to sleep in the same bed with? I forget his name. He had to go watch.

I had to put on watch with him, but I'm sorry. Wow. Another thing that I think, you know, I've always heard about and obviously you get informed of these things, you know, little by little and more and more, but especially from since podcasts. Yeah. And you start to hear from fans and people is I can't get over how at least it appears to be how many people suffer from depression.

Oh, it's. I mean, 50 percent of us have some sort of diagnosis. 50 percent. Yeah. That's so high. Very common, at least in a lifetime without a depression. I had a depression. I had severe.

I kind of probably have a tendency towards it. I'd panic and anxiety disorder and all that bullshit in college. Terrible. And look at you. You're successful and happy. But that is, you can go on despite these things. They're treatable. They're part of it.

That's the thing is you got to, but I'm, I'm fearing now finally, and I was a real advocate for this forever, but now I'm thinking we've over medicalized it. We've overdone it now where, where you're not allowed to solve these problems through living and ordinary misery is no longer an acceptable component of life. Right. You have to have a coke and a smile all the time. Right. You should be happy.

I arrived on this continent was asked a question, Dr. Ford, what do you expect to accomplish here in the United States? I said, well, I hope to be able to finally distinguish it between true mental illness and ordinary misery. That's a great quote because we're in misery. It's part of living. Part of living. Yeah.

And we just, we just don't tolerate that. You should be all somber and sad. There's loss. There's misery. There's anxiety. That's shit. That's stress. Life is stressful.

He is part of living. But I mean, I meant to say like when I brought, just that like the, I guess the amount, the frequency with which it occurs, the, the, a number of people that suffer from it from podcasts, I swear. I, I see so many messages that say like, you know, I suffer from depression, but like I, I find some, uh, relief in listening to podcast people. Great. All the time.

That's great. Yeah. That's it. That's it. I'd rather they do that than take a medication. Yeah. I agree. Yeah.

If you can do with that, that's, that's overcoming. We're doing that. That's being, you know, just depressive. That's not a major depressive episode. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

You know, I think it exactly that life is suffering a lot and there's, that's the Hungarian life is suffering, but I do feel like I'm at the East European thing too. It's like, we suffer, we suffer, but you live despite it. They take great pride. I should look up Hungarian insults because of life, we will never eat and death is upon us. Yeah. We also party and we love and we have strong emotions and we make the best porn in Eastern

Europe comes out of Hungary. That is there. That's the, that's all. That's the Paris support. I did that. It was check. Check. Check girls will come over.

It's all Hungarian. It's my tribe. Yeah. So we have this kind of game. We want to play. Okay. So we have some like classic, uh, we play a lot of, usually we have a lot of, we haven't even done the show intro.

I think it would just play it at the top. Okay. All right. Spare them. We play video and audio clips from all over the internet. People submit, send in like, you know, watch, it's like just some, some content to basically address. Okay.

Um, well, we were hoping that you would maybe take a swing at, is do you think the person involved in the clip is, uh, is taking drugs? Is it one of you two? No, it's not. Okay. Okay. Um, or perhaps mentally ill. Okay.

Perhaps both. What do I think is going on here? Yeah. What do I think is going on here? That's the segment. There you go. That's a good one. Before you have sex, if you want to be horny for two or three hours, like you've never

been in your life and you have access to marijuana too, good weed, listen to me, true weed alone can get you really horny or the normal, but Ben Endrell, take about 10, 12 Ben Endrell before you want to have your sexual fun with your partner or whatever you do, masturbate. All right. So what do you think? What's going on here? So I'm just looking at the environment around him. He's not exactly living in Versailles, so there's, there's, there's like, he's, he's

sitting in an old, uh, sort of, uh, angry grandpa, recline, uh, and he looks like a young version of angry, angry grandpa, he has some COPD and if you see, if you, when you could see his, uh, the upper chest, he was using his accessory muscles to breathe, which means he's got some chronic lung disease. Um, when he takes this balloon, which I imagine is nitrous oxide, I feel like you have Steven Segal available and you can just look him and break it down. He does, his pupils blow, if you look at it, he's got dilated pupils, which nitrous can do that.

And he's also got stair, which means you see the white above the iris. Come back every week. This is the best analysis. So this is all, when you see the white above, you know, this, this, when you see white above, that's drugs or hyperthyroidism. It's about the only two things we'll do that with meth being the probable cause. So this is probably hyperthyroidism. I'm putting meth and nitrous in the same dude with the tobacco problem because he's

got emphysema. How does 10 to 12 benadryl affect somebody? Is that a good idea? That makes you agitated. That actually goes the other way. Uh, it could delay ejaculation, which is what he's talking about. Yeah. I don't think he really understands what he's talking about, but that's what he's talking

about. Would you recommend somebody take that would not recommend it because you get something called anticholinergic delirium from that, where you really can get very like delirious. You get really wacky. So the weirdest psychosis I've seen have been anticholinergic, anticholinergic delirium from drug overdoses. Really? I mean, they just get like, they just get wild.

And that could be from benadryl? But what causes that? Yeah, you take it off. What is it? It's the anticholinergic side effect. What is anticholinergic? It's what antihistamine do in high doses. It blocks the histamine.

The cholinergic system gets blocked there. So it's anticholinergic and it's, it's a really serious side effect. I mean, you can get sick. So you're, I'm going to get it. We would never want to label anyone, alleged anything. I don't know this guy. I don't know anything about him, but he put this video up and I'm just analyzing what I say.

And in your professional opinion, there's a probability that maybe drugs are involved. Yeah. Now, will 10 to 12 benadryl, it'll make you agitated, which I imagine too. I thought. Which helps you not come. Well, people think that's, that's what really. Finally, I'm an excuse. And so, you know, people think because two benadryl makes me more tired and maybe three

makes him four and you get about four and you're getting into trouble. I get, I get exploding head from two. What's the amount? 50 miller heads. Wait. This stuff gives me a panic attack. Exploding head syndrome. You ever heard of exploding head?

Exploding head is you're in, you're asleep and all of a sudden you get like this exploding sound and it wakes you up like somebody knocked you on the head. Really? It's the weirdest thing. Yeah. It's called exploding head. This is killing me. Sorry, but I really thought you were talking about your dick when you said it.

Exploding head. I'm gonna have that. No. I'm about an hour later when you feel it just kicking in, smoke your weed down. Oh. And then. Funny weed is the least of my concerns. And I promise you, it'll be millions in time.

What is the weed? Like. Millions of times better. What's the deal? Good. From a professional standpoint, what is the deal with weed? Like. What is the thing?

I mean, like, you know, we, we grew up in this era of like, I mean, when we were kids, it was like, you know, you better watch out. Right. The dare program. It's still schedule one. People go to prisons. Schedule one is a bizarre. It's a bizarre thing.

Yeah. It's bizarre. But then you go, you know, like I'm saying, like in the, in recent years, you had this whole medical. Yeah. You know, movement. Unfortunately, a sham. I'd rather just be legalized.

And then now recreational has, has been evolving. It's coming. So you, so you, there's no medical value. No, there's some. There's some, but, but that whole sham was like, yeah, yeah, everybody's got to have a, I never, I, in the last eight years of my career, I'd never treated a single patient without a marijuana prescription. So no, you know, when you go in, they even ask you if you have a addiction, but treated

for addiction before they just, here's your marijuana prescription. And so that's bad medicine. I just, I just care that it's bad medicine that's, I don't care that this is medical marijuana. It has some utility for some people. I've recommended it for people. I just recommended it last week for someone. I'd much rather see somebody on pot than, than opiates.

Sure. Much. Yeah. And, and I think our laws are insane. Yeah. You know, alcohol and tobacco are good, right? Really good. Yeah.

LSD should never be touched by human hands. Like what? Yeah. It clearly has clinical utility. I mean, end of life, LSD may be very useful and cannabis is just cannabis. I mean, why is that one? There will be, there will be problems and Colorado is sort of finding, finding its way through that.

Um, but, you know, problems in terms of also, oh, just significant problems out of the lessons getting their hands on, people getting strung, getting addicted here and there, people having untoward side effects from it, not very common, but I've treated a lot of it. I've treated a lot. It's very difficult to treat. Is it more, is it a psychological addiction? No.

Addiction is either you can stop or here's what addiction is. It's a biological disorder of the brain where you cannot stop. Right. So if you can stop, you're addicted. Yeah. If you can stop, you have an addict. You're an addict. If you can stop, you're either not an addict or earlier in your disease process where

you still have control, please get control over it. Don't let it get out of control. Oh, okay. So you'd like, you can also spot somebody in, in during going down that path. Sure. Cause addiction is a spectrum disorder from, you know, predisposed to incipient, mild, moderate, severe and then end stage. Yeah.

Cause it's interesting like with, I mean, I think we see it most probably most people are familiar with like alcoholism. Yeah. Alcohol, I think it's a little clearer. Yeah. Alcohol is unfortunate. The other category of the binge intermittent alcoholic, which is kind of a weird category that I'm sure to do.

Oh my God. Yeah. Bert, I'm not sure it's even intermittent anymore, but, but he's, he had sober October and all went well. Yeah. I was competing with him. And he was very concerned that plane rides would be difficult. Yeah.

But you know what? He, he, uh, I knew he'd do it. Cause he's, he, you know, I've talked about it. He's in that more earlier stages of it. He's not out of control. I didn't say earlier. I didn't say early stages earlier. Yeah.

He's still out of control. Wait. Can I ask you something? Why is... So this is when you should nip it in the bud though, right? Yeah. This is the time to stop. Now you gotta be careful.

Yeah. Yeah. Why did it consider alcoholism a disease? Well. If it can be stopped, it will. Yeah. So, so what is a disease? You need to define disease first before you know, I'll check the camera for you.

Yeah. So you have to define disease and then decide, oh, does this particular condition or disorder meet criteria for disease? So have addicts. Well, what's cancer? It's when the cells go nutty and... Okay. So it's an abnormal physiology.

Cells go nutty. Sure. I don't know about physiology. But, but you can't will yourself out of cancer, but you can with alcoholism, right? Early in the stages, but later on you can. Oh. But keep going. So it's an abnormal physiology.

Where does the abnormal physiology come from? We're going to reason our way through this. Maybe genetics. Genetics. Is this strictly genetics? No. Lifestyle. So genetics and environment interact to give you an abnormal set of cell biology, right?

Right. How do I know that cell biology is going on? The abnormal biology? The pathophysiology? How do I know that happened? I don't know if I'm a comedian. No, come on. You can reason this one.

Wait, wait. Because there are symptoms? There are signs and symptoms. There are signs and symptoms. So if somebody like me comes in and goes, those signs and symptoms mean pathophysiology here, mean let's look at his genes, let's look at his environment, see how that occurred. What do those signs and symptoms do over time? And break down the person.

Or they grow. They progress. Or they resolve. Or they become chronic. They have what's called a natural history. And then what does somebody like me try to do with natural history? Well, you try to alter it. We try to alter it.

We try to treat it. We do treatment. So disease is a complex relationship between the substrate and the environment that results in an abnormal state of physiology reflected in signs and symptoms that follow a predictable pattern. We call it natural history with a predictable response to treatment. Well, addiction fits that model perfectly. Gotcha.

What people freak out is, whereas the cancer, it's in your brain. The cells are abnormally functioning in your brain. The pathophysiology is there. And we know a lot about it now. And some of it's chronic. Some of it doesn't get better. And so it's always there, loaded up, ready to go if you re-expose yourself to the chemical. And so, and it goes.

And once you have real addiction, I mean, bonafide addiction, volition has nothing to do with it. You can't choose anything. Oh, that. So that's not treatable at a certain point. It's treatable, but you have to get somebody in a place where they can't use their volition, where they start to understand that any thought, any impulse, any, what we call stinking thinking, any desire I have is my disease. Because all the wonderful functions we have, rational, prefrontal, and all that stuff, all

is under the influence of distorted motivation, which is, as opposed to survive and thrive and protect your family, it's use. That becomes your sole motivation. God damn. That's a broken state of brain. But can I get back to, we were talking about Bert. I don't want to talk about. Let's talk about Bert.

Well, I would talk about Bert, but I don't want to like, you know. Bash him. Yeah. I wouldn't bash Bert. No. But my question about someone like him is like, isn't there like people, we'll use him as an example, who like, he's a late night guy. He likes to have fun.

He, you know, he can party, drink a bunch. But then he can also. Yes. Yes. And that's what we would call a high biological genetic burden. Right. Okay. There are some people, they start and kaboom.

I'm reading this book on Grant. Grant had real deal alcoholism. He was like Andy Dick. I mean, real deal. When he would drink, he would just go all the way to the mat every time. Every time. And he could not, he couldn't do anything about it. So there are grades to this.

There are different biologies to it. And there's grades to it. Well, how's it? But he could be, I mean, but you can all end up in the same place is the bad part. Okay. So Burke can go, I'm saying Burke could go south, but he could also be fine, right? Yeah. He could live his whole life like this.

Does he? Oh, he can stay at this level for his whole life? He could. Sure. It doesn't have to progress. Particularly he takes periods of abstinence and stuff. And he felt good during that abstinence. He felt great.

And it was reinforcing to him. So he might have more periods like that. Yeah. Yeah. He felt great. I mean, I think it was healthy for everybody. Even Joe Rogan was talking about how he felt better. Yeah.

Not smoking a pot, which is like, yes, dude. You can't take a mind altering or brain affected substance every day and not have it affect something. Yeah. You know, we got yoga classes. So that also made us feel good. Good. You know, we did 15 in a month.

Good. In 90 minute classes. Great. Yeah. Yeah. Did you go on Joe's think tanks? Deprivation. No, I didn't go on the sensory deprivation, but, but I mean, like it was, it was a fun,

it was, it's, I think exercises and discipline are just healthy. So like, even if you're not somebody that goes like, let's say you don't, like it wasn't hard for me to not drink for a month, but it's still an exercise in discipline. So I, I enjoy, I enjoy challenges and I like doing, you know, it is, but I, I, I push back a little bit against thinking about people that consume excess alcohol is not being disciplined because some of the most disciplined people I know can still have a problem over here with the alcohol. Oh, yeah.

And again, I'm thinking of Grant and Grant's stuff. Sure. Super disciplined, but man, if he got exposed, watch out. Yeah. So anyway, and he would spend long periods of time. He was committed to the essentially early AA, which were the temperance movements. He actually signed temperance agreements and stuff because he knew, he knew what he's dealing with.

Yeah. And it's funny when people have the real deal alcoholism. Yeah. They know, they know, they know exactly what's going on. Yeah. We think it's going on here. Hi Melanie. I'm Scotty O.

With ecstatic hearts, Tantra. We just want to share that there are many ways to orgasm. Oh geez. You don't actually have to be having sex. You can't orgasm just from hugging. Yeah. Drugs, delusional, delusional, mental illness, well, let's go, let's go, it's very dang good. Shall we analyze the physical again?

Here's the thing. He was not having an orgasm. He was pretending to have an orgasm. Yeah. She might have been having an orgasm. I don't know how he, she got there. He got there. He got there.

He got there. He got there. He got there. She might have been having an orgasm. I don't know how he, she got there. He might have been holding a vibrator or something or he knows. But first of all, we need to teach them both how to look into a camera. Yeah.

That's very disconcerting with them looking off camera like that. Yeah. And it's not like they're being interviewed by somebody. They're way off camera. And then they're in a, like a convention center. Yeah. It's been some sort of Tantric sex meeting, which is gross. Yeah.

It's so weird. Weird. Weird. But he looks very happy that they're there. Yeah. She looks full of shit, basically. Yeah. The full of shit stare.

Yes. To me, it's just full of shit. Wait. So I agree. He's just happy to be there. He's like, yes. Yeah. Yeah.

He just wants to get laid. Right. That's right. If you find a path to get laid and like you hadn't been laid in a while. That's his way. You're gonna stick in that path. A veil? Are you kidding?

Yeah. But that's really what's happening is she's into it and then he's just using this to get laid. Yeah. So she's delusional. Right. About this horseshit. Yeah.

Is it just to get attention? What are you doing at the cum hugs? I Is that what this is? Um, I'm guessing it was called cum hugs, by the way. I am guessing that again, it's some sort of weird gathering, you know, thing. And maybe it's her friend that runs it and she's just a good example of how her friends are.

Or maybe she runs it. Maybe she's trying. Yeah. It feels like a scam to me. Yes. And the other thing is like you draw people in, you get attention. Yeah. People sign up and then they're like, I keep hugging.

I'm not coming though. Yeah. What's going on? And they're like, then you feel like you're not doing it right. You got to pay up for another set. Another conference. You got to pay for it. Yeah.

Or you start to like. You're the perfect scam in a weird way. Yeah. And then, or then you start to pretend that you're coming. Then you're part of the delusion. Then you're part of the delusion. Yeah. You're like, I came real hard when I hugged you.

Three times. Yeah. It's such bullshit. I mean, look at this fucking coming. Look at his face. She's cracking up. And he's like really active when he's jizzing, you know. His neck muscles, contractions.

She's just laughing. Yeah. It's total bullshit. It's total bullshit. Yeah. We cannot, three of us cannot stand it if somebody else is happy. You can't stand it. Yeah.

I will not hear that. I don't like it either. It bothers me when people can get joyful about things like that. I'd love to hear your thoughts on this one. Okay. I can't wait. Black guys who love to fuck and fuck good. If you're a hot black guy and you want to fuck me at $23.95, if you want to move in,

you can move in, but you got to fuck me. I need to be fucked a lot, man. Yeah, we got it. Free food, free rent and everything else, man. Here's a deal, man. Oh, boy. Hold on. Oh, hold on.

And from jail, homeless, or you're a thug who want to come move in. A friend can move in with you, too, man. Free rent. You can at least have a key. Fuck me. Piss on me. Beat me. I don't know.

You see me when I come over today and try it out. Try it out, man. I just get sad, don't I? Yeah. Yeah. What's happening? It's getting dark. The circles are around the eyes.

What do you think that means? It does not look well. I was being drugged, man. He had slept in a month. And then I just smell meth. I can smell meth. Oh, meth. Yeah.

Well, the first time we played, it was interesting. I said, you know, the funny thing about this, he played this over and over again. Oh, yeah. This is a regular clip. Oh, Jesus Christ. Oh, Jesus Christ. Oh, my God. You're not worried about your souls now.

Forget his. Oh, we're ruined. We are. We see that. We're ruined. I'm going to bring in my questionnaire. We're ruined. But this, I was like, you know, there's some part of every man's brain that has wanted

to, like, be this guy, express these feelings, like, just fuck me, but I'm saying for someone to actually pull out a camera and go and be this disconnected and all of it. This was somebody who was, like, severely beaten as a child. Really? Oh, yeah. Is that what's happening? Yeah. That's just all I see is just abuse, abuse, abuse.

Because he's looking for the abuse again. Yeah. Yeah. He's reenacting. He's trying to solve it or whatever. Whatever our brain does, it makes us do that. That's interesting. So the darks.

What's with the bow on his head? That's, well, that's just a BG there. That's just, it's very dark. It's not well lit. He's shirtless. His spot on analysis made this sad for me now. And yeah, it is sad. Well, they're all sad.

That's why I could never go to strip clubs and things. No. All these women are supposed to work for us. Yeah. Yeah. Same here. No, it's empowering. You know, it's supposed to be empowering.

Yeah, that's what they say. I know. It's bullshit. It is. You guys don't get it. It's like a piss. Let me try it out. Here's the point.

Only this fuck, man. I'm looking for hardcore guys. I mean it. I want to do it. And I want to deliver it. I'm a hot fuck. My trash. Where'd you find it?

Fuck. People just send this in. Oh, that's nice. Yeah. I'm so glad I'm talking to your fans. This is very nice. This is the tip of the iceberg. As you guys, as you guys break into diabolical laughter.

This is, this is just junior varsity. This is, this is even. Give me, give me at least a varsity. You don't have to give me college or, you know, one, one, what do they call it for 101 D. What's the, what's the big level football, the division one division one division one division one varsity. Yeah. Yeah.

But just high school varsity. I'm ready for that. Let's see what you got. There's so much to show you. Um, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. There's so much to show you. Um, I'm so glad you're here because I, we get these clips and we just, we laugh with them. I, I, I laugh at.

I'm glad you can laugh and I'm glad, but I got, but we, but we, because you know what's happening and that's, we don't always know. I get to see this, you know, with the door shut. Yeah. It's different. It's deeply troubling. Well, you know, it's funny. I told, I told her this before every time I, um, I go, you know, I've met porn stars

immediately. Oh, like I don't see them as sexual beings, right? Like you, because you, you make a, you get what's going on. Yeah. It's a bummer. So I go, I mean, I totally understand. Did you see the sex we have? Sure.

We did. No, I saw a few of those. Yes. So Jenny Ketchum, Penny flame. Penny flame. I remember her. Yes. Yes.

Just graduated from social work as an MSW at university of Washington. Fantastic. She may be getting a PhD. She's amazing. Wow. Good for her. She's getting married, pregnant. Wow.

I don't know. Fantastic. Good for her. I ask, uh, only if it's like, like a public thing, obviously I'm not trying to get. About the, about the patients. Yeah. About, about her in this specific case. Oh, Penny.

Yeah. I guess I'm saying if it's not known or public, then I'm not, yeah, I can't, I can't tell you if it's not, right. Right. But like, uh, so was she traumatized? Oh yeah. Really? We used to talk about, oh, everyone's trauma came out on the show, but for some reason

it, people either didn't watch it or didn't get amplified or specified enough. I mean, like Jeff Conway's trauma was so profound. So unbelievable and ritualistic. And people are like, when it was around with Jeff, it's like, you, you didn't hear him talking about, he was dragged into a child porn ring and he was beaten. I don't remember them airing that bit. Yeah. I feel like every one of them, I don't treat people.

I always tell people, if you have bad enough addictions, you need to see me as 100% probability of childhood trauma. Really? Yeah. 100%. Now I'm not saying that all addiction has childhood trauma. I'm saying if it's bad enough that you need to come to somebody like me, it's childhood trauma and it's bad.

It's only genuine horrible stuff. Well, that's what I learned watching celebrity rehab. I think that's what, right when I started getting into therapy is there was that trend of, I mean, we discussed this on your podcast, when the person would go in and drew be like, how was your childhood? It was fine. Yeah. Great.

Oh yeah. Well, except for the part that my dad beat the shit out of me and my mom. No, I'd have to go. I'd have to go. I'd have to go. Well, do you have any physical abuse? Oh, no. I go.

I go. Did anybody ever discipline you? Well, like anybody. Right. And then I go, okay, you got discipline. So they hit you. Yes. Oh, of course.

I needed it. Everybody. Everybody. And like anybody, I needed it. I go, did anybody ever pick up an object and hit you? By belts. And did they use the buckle? And yeah, of course.

The buckle. Oh yeah. One time it was a bat. Oh yeah. And the hatchet. Oh yeah. And the bow and arrow. And then it just starts.

And they think of that as normative and they needed it. That's how they get it. And they internalize it. Like I was deserving of that, which is, which is the child feels so powerless that they flip it into uncausing this. I'm making this happen to me because I need it because I'm bad. Because mom and daddy can't be bad because I need them to survive. And what happens is those unresolved feelings of trauma turn into not like you just said,

sometimes addiction, sometimes they manifest what later in life is something, but can't be treated. Yes. Right. Right. That's the big highlight of this. I thought you were going to tell us something specific. No.

I mean, I just want people to feel. I don't want people to feel hopeless listening. Oh, shit. I was hit and am I screwed? Oh, no, no, no. You just need to deal with the trauma. Fundamentally, the way I think about the simplest way I look at it is that you need closeness of other humans to develop the mechanism for emotional regulation.

That emotions, if you've been traumatized or prolonged, too intense and too negative. And the way that is healed is in closeness with another human. Unfortunately, when you've been traumatized, you don't trust other humans anymore and you exit the frame of closeness and you never go back until somebody in therapy finds their way back in with you and that person holds that frame and just listens to you and reacts. How hard is it? Man. Because this is one of the things I think maybe, I don't know, that a lot of the amateur

audience watching a show like that would have difficulty processing is the level of distrust from some of the people that you're treating. All of them. I feel like, though, aren't they, isn't it hard to break down truth from this? It turns me into a gigantic mind reader. It does. I've got to the point. I'm a little out of practice with it right now, but where I could just trust whatever

came out of my mouth without thinking about it. You can trust whatever comes out. I could when I was really skilled at this. I'm a little bit rusty right now, but I would just, I would do what's called, I would listen with my whole body. I would not listen to what they're saying because I knew what they're saying is all bullshit. I would just listen to the whole body.

If I felt something or heard something or smelled something, I would immediately go, hang on, I'm just, I'm not sure if this has meaning to you. I was smelling, oh yeah, my dad was always making bacon when he'd fucking throw grease on me and burn me. I was like, okay, well, I just happen to smell some bacon. I don't know. Wow. Wow.

What is that? Because people lie so much. It's all compartmentalized, and I'm literally picking up on disavowed, disconnected parts of the self that are crying out for attention, but are disconnected from that human consciously, but is there all the time creating all kinds of emotional turmoil in that person? And I sort of, they sort of, I pick it up. Would it be like that Freud thing of you're unconscious reading another person's unconscious? Yes, yes, that's what it is.

But I think, but I think it's, that that's sort of a, that's not a evolved enough way of thinking about it. I really feel like that there's so much information going back and forth between two bodies in proximity. It's really not just the brain. It's our entire central nervous system, including our autonomic system. And we just, we just can, we send stuff back and forth to people. If you really listen, if you learn to really train yourself, and I also train myself to

be able to know when people were not telling me the truth, and I would just go, that's very nice, but you're full of shit. Stop it, please. And I could just trust it when that would come out of my mouth. Wow. And most of the time, most of the time they would go, how'd you know? Yeah. And they'd go, I don't even know when I'm bullshitting anymore, but I'm glad you, help

me. I need to know when I'm. Master manipulator. Oh my God. And I've been manipulated and I've been had and whatever, but you, but, but I can, if I do feel it, I can just go, man, you're working me or not. Shut up. It reminds me of, by the way, this, I mean, the set, the skill set you're talking about

is watching like detectives, interrogate, um, people, you know, not a lot different. And then you see, like we used to watch a lot of the first 48 and, um, there's, there is certain detectives that that was the hook of, of like that was you get excited about. You're like, she is amazing. There's something up. Yeah. She would like there was one Sergeant Mason, I think in, uh, in Tennessee, I still remember her name and she would go in and the guy be like, I didn't, you know, I didn't do anything.

I wasn't there. And she had this ability to connect and five minutes later, you just, and then they would confess. Amazing. Do you see mind hunter? Yes. I watched the whole thing. You got some of that stuff came out in that too.

Oh, it's fantastic. Same idea. Yeah. Fantastic. Because remember, even when he met that first guy, he was like, well, they, they, well, how'd you feel about it? Yeah. Didn't feel right.

Well, there you go. Listen to that. Yes. You're, we're perfect instruments. We really are. And if you've been injured, that perfection gets expressed in crazy ways. You know, like women that repeatedly go for abusive guys. Yeah.

If you're attracted to the guy, definitely that's going to be an abusive guy. If you have that pattern. If you have that pattern. If you use the child and you have that pattern as adult and you, you think that's a great guy, guaranteed that guy's gonna be, I know he looks nothing like an ex, nothing like the other ones. Yeah. Still, that's going to be abusive.

Yeah. Like I've been, you know, we've all have interactions with like bad dudes. You feel it. You feel, yeah. So I like predator dudes. You know what I mean? Guys, you're like, this doesn't feel right right away. Yeah.

I feel like sometimes you can, I don't know, it could be out in public. You could be introduced to someone and you'd be like, I don't want anything. Creepers man. Yeah. Good times. Let's go back to watching videos. Oh yeah. So the women practice on the egg.

What do the men do? Okay. The men, the first thing they have to practicing that we call sharpening the knife. Okay. So the whole key is very simple. You get an oil. We call the egg, the baby oil. Baby oil.

Okay. And you put it in and now you put the peanuts to warm it in the cold winter. You warm them up. You get a hot towel. Okay. And you make it warm. The what? The hands?

You put your hands in there. Make sure all the blood flow. Okay. On your penis. Okay. Now you get the penis out. Yeah. You pull the skin.

A lot of people, they never circumvent. The foreskin. The foreskin. So you put the skin. You put the skin. You get the oil in the hand and you rub. Hand goes like this. You rub.

Rub. Rub. Rub. Especially on the grand penis. Okay. Rub them. Okay. 50 times rest.

Okay. You have to be strong and not sensitive. 50 times one right side. 50 times left side. 50 times front. 50 times back. 50 times down. What?

Three-fifths. Okay. How often am I doing this? You have to do every day until you can control. Every day. Time consuming. Extremely. You said I'm sharpening the knife.

Okay. All right. If you don't sharpening the knife, there's the number one. Number two, you have to learn how to contracting the prostate gland. When many ejaculations, the pressure of the ejaculation is from the prostate gland contracting. Okay. So I'm exercising now? Exercise.

And for people who have prostate gland swollen up or problem, this one will solve their problem. And now you do it until you feel orgasm. Oh really? Yes. Okay. And now ejaculation. Right. Yeah.

So you feel, so you see, when you do, when you get it, it's very quick. Two, two times you get it. When you squeeze, it's orgasm coming up. Oh dude. What's happening here? What's happening here? He's a teacher. He's a Tadric guy?

Tadric teacher? He teaches a lot of things actually. What else? Well, he also teaches women, you know, to rub their nipples and I think puts an egg. Well, he says if your vagina muscles are loose, then your door is open and all the energy leaks out of your vagina. He reminds, is he a yoga guy? A tantric guy?

I don't know. He's been around for a minute. Like we, after we, this was the first thing we were exposed to about him. And then we found, what's this? I can't figure out what it is. I think he's Thai. Thai. Yeah.

And then he did like a female one in the same interview. And then somebody found like a 25, 35 year old clip of him doing like, you know, this is like your kidneys are connected to your testicles. You got to rub your back like this. Oh my God. So wait, you said, that's not right when you said the orgasm is in the prostate. No, your prostate doesn't move. The public floor musculature contracts, but that's not through your prostate.

And the seminal vesicles are what are holding the semen. The prostate is just a gland that's sort of slowly producing fluid and storing on the seminal vesicles. It's never really any other activity. And what about sharpening the knife? Is that an effective method? How do you feel about that? Fifty times, rub, rub, rub.

I think the whole point of this was about control. Yes. Yes. And that's what it sounds like a tantric like. Yeah. But then you said like 300 times, 300 strokes a day. All I kept thinking was 300 times, like two seconds of struggle. It's about 600 seconds or so.

Who the fuck has time to do this every day? And I'm worried about that person's soul again. I'm worried about the soul of all these people that you're showing me, because their priorities don't seem right. If that's what they're preoccupied with doing every day, there's better mindfulness than sharpening the knife. So I'm saying. Okay.

So it's not a priority. I've seen better mindful practices. Yes. There's a possibility that this guy is a bit delusional though. No, I don't think this guy's mentally ill. I don't think he is. No, I just think he's a weirdo. He's a straight up weirdo.

That's the diagnosis. There is such a thing. There's something as evil, bad, weirdo that they exist. Oh. Oh. I'll raise you one. Oh, Jesus. Oh, my God.

Back to varsity. Oh, no. Hey, Taylor. Uh-oh. It's me, Danny. Uh-oh. I just want to let you know there are at least two of my Daniacs, or at least a few of my Daniacs are on the Shrimp Scampi boat.

And, uh, like, they are, like, getting turned into lasagna. So, um, I need your help getting a rescue boat over there. And, and, uh, they, uh, they really need your help getting rescued. So could you, uh, at least please? What did she say? She's talking to Hitler. She's talking to Hitler. She's vlogging to Hitler.

She's asking for the fear. She's asking him for a rescue boat for her friends. That would be turned into scampi. Turned scampi. They're on a shrimp scampi boat. They're turning into lasagna. Okay. So.

But Hitler is the guy she's talking to. She sings happy birthday to him. Again, I, I always. The leader of the third. I always like to look at the, at the environment and look at all that stuff. Chaos. The pictures. Well, she's a really big fan of that, uh, one direction.

One direction. Yeah. It reminds me of people that set up, you know, sort of shrines and things to people. They go and try to murder them. It looks like that kind of thing. Yeah. Close your eyes and don't look at a video. Listen to her voice.

She sounds like she's about six years old. Which, which is an interesting thing that happens in severe trauma survivors is they, their voice stops. Yes. He talks about this on sex and the sex stuff. Sex addiction. Maybe we should have a new title for our podcast. And if, um, no laughing matter now.

If, and if she's not just sort of being bullshitting, she's severely psychotic. That's psychosis. Yeah. Well, you close your eyes. One second. Close your eyes. And now what? Hey, just wanted you to hear.

Hey, Hitler. I think she said, Hey, healer. No. Hey, so severely psychotic. Yeah. Because of the eyes and no, I don't see any of their phasers. Just what she's talking about. Oh, so disorganized almost.

It almost. It sounds, you know, the delirious thing. She's like, well, why don't we lighten things up a little bit? Yeah. Varsity level. I just want to see your thoughts on this. Not somebody talking, but just to see like what you find funny, what you don't find funny. It's your reaction.

And then maybe you can. He's going to, he's going to zoom right through there. No, he's just, you know, setting the car up. Oh, no. It's funny, except I know what that injury is. That's bad. That kind of a question is really bad. I mean, it's funny, but it's not funny.

That could be dead within a few minutes. Thank you. Okay. So let us clue you in on what the debate is. I mean, crushed injuries like that, those are common and they, they un-glove the, oh, it's just the worst. So what happens? Often the leg will just split open and un-glove entirely.

The skin comes off entirely. And then depending on how bad the crush is, you know, whether or not their kidneys fail because their muscles crushed and going into their blood system and how bad the blood supplies cut off and how much orthopedic injury there is there. It's just, those are catastrophes. People often get amputees. Right. And that's really funny, right, Tom?

No, but let me be fair about something. So I've always had, and I've admitted to it, I think the way I deal with physical injuries to people is you laugh. I laugh. Yeah. And I've done it for 30 plus years. Sick people do that, right? I don't know.

Well, she thinks I'm psychotic. I think it's, I think it's, I think it's, I think it's a red flag. Do you know why? I don't know. I remember Sasha and the somebody read it. Yes. Sasha would laugh in the most horrible situation. She was all of a sudden started giggling.

Yeah. And there's nothing she could do about it. She was, she's a great nurse and really compassionate. Yes. And it was this weird, yeah, nervous thing when, when things got really rough and said, you know, terrible things started happening. She'd break out like a full laughter. And I was like, Sasha.

Oh, but why does my husband find that clip so funny when people like, he's a psychopath. I was going to tell you later. Don't be sitting in front of him. Thank you. Because I've watched the clip several times and we've had other guests on and I, I can't laugh because I have said how funny it is. I have what's called empathy and I believe it's funny if it were the three stooches. Contextual.

The whole, the whole problem is it's one thing that bothers me about physical slaps to humor is that you, you believe that that's just funny or somebody gets hit in the head. It's funny. Funny. Mild head injuries. Fuck people up for six months. Yeah. One of Moe's, you know, are just the fingers in the eyes.

Yeah. Of course. One of Moe's bonks on the head would, would be six months of trouble. Yeah. And, and I, and it's, it is funny when it's the three stooches or Laurel Hardy. When it's fake. When you know it's fake. In this case, what's funny also is that his reaction, I think also because it's foreign,

like that you're, you don't understand what he's saying. Yeah. You can, you can be, there's some distance you can get from it. You get distance from it. It's a, it's an almost comical reaction. Yes. So, so there was a quality of the reaction that was like, oh my God, that's funny. And that's like, oh my God, that's really a pin and a pinning pinning against the wall.

I remember when I worked, I worked construction one summer in high school and this guy had a sewn in like morphine drip pack for his neck. That's bullshit. And I was like, I go like, why do you have that? And he started telling me like very seriously, he was on this site and they were removing a bathtub from the third floor and it, it fell out from the, the, the lift and it crushed his neck and I laughed so, so hard. He must have loved that.

Well, he was just looking at me and then he got, he realized that he started telling me all these other injury stories. And then he got to the point where he'd be like, I just remembered you're going to love this one. So he would do it to entertain me. Like one time I was on the site and I broke my arm doing this and I, I've always found that's, that's how I process. How can you not bring the guy around with you all the time?

I mean, it just, it just, I don't know why. Keep the good times rolling, Tom. You should be coming to orthopedist. You would never stop laughing. I would laugh all the time. Wait. So why do we do that? Because I laugh at things that are inappropriate as well.

Is it? Now you're, now you're asking me what's the nature of humor and laughter, which is a really complicated question. But his, his reaction to that man hurting, of being harmed and possibly dying is, is laughter. Um, and that is, Remember I said evil exists on the spectrum of evil. Should I be on mind hunter?

Is that what you're saying? I'm not sure it's that kind of problem. But what about this, Drew? Come on. Something's really wrong with me. Yes. I'm so excited. I'm so excited.

What about the fact that my husband. Okay. I'm incredibly compassionate. Uh-huh. Okay. When I'm falling asleep at night, he'll watch TV and he'll watch. It's all, if you look at his Netflix queue, it's murder, murder, psychopath, serial killer. They make all those shows just for me.

Yeah. Isn't that neat? Yeah. They go like really deep into production for me. We'll talk later. Yeah. What's going on? It's just for you.

It's just me, man. I've talked to them. It was just for you. Well, that's the first 48. It's just all me. He likes that. Should I be concerned? I think I got to go now.

Shit. But he's such a gentle. Gentle soul. Yeah. The thing is he would never hurt a fly. So yeah. Exactly. What'd you do as a kid?

Were you twisting rabbits' necks? I'd have to follow people home. I'd do it now. See if I can really stalk, you know? Oh, God. Pick someone and I go following you. Oh, my God. Yeah.

Get to know their habits when they go to work. Okay. Anyways. Yeah. Terrified. Here's another one that's not like those other ones, I swear. But I really want your opinion on this. You didn't want my opinion on the other ones?

No, no, no. I did. I'm saying like this is an interesting one, I think. Seriously. Sweden is the most forward-thinking country in the world when it comes to questioning gender. The gender-neutral pronoun hen is now commonly used by most Swedes. So that's just a little intel.

Beginning. Beginning. This is Nico's room. And how old is Nico? Nico's two and a half. And Nico is almost five and a half. Nico and Nico were both assigned male at birth. But in this family, the sex you were born with does not dictate your gender identity.

So then, so we're giving you just a little context for this. We use he for them. Sometimes it's nixed. And it depends, you know, because in Sweden we have hen, the gender-neutral pronoun in Swedish. I think Mika has always said when I've asked, it's been she or hen. Changing pronouns in books instead of it always being mama. We say mama and mappa.

What's the matter, Sweetie X? Ask mappa. It's so dark. So just to give you the full thing, the next clip is also what I want you to weigh in on. This family, they're in Sweden. You understand that they were talking about the pronouns here. And then these very young kids are being treated. They're getting different hormones.

No. They're just daily being given the option to choose pronouns and it switches back. Two and a half and five-year-olds. They're being asked, hey, what would you like me to call you today? Today, I would do hon, han, eller hen, et al. That's not something I always have to say, but it would be good to know today for the film. Skaja säger hon eller hen.

Just Mika, okay. So the kid answered just by name. Yes. In other words, do you think that there's anything odd to asking very small children their gender pronouns? I don't know because it's unusual. We're not used to that, but you would have to be really studied. You'd have to see what the outcomes are.

I'm a little concerned with the biological reassignments. At a young age. The President of the American Academy of Pediatrics just came out strongly against it. Is that being done? Oh, yeah. What do you mean? Reassignments. They're born.

If they say, I feel like a girl today. Correct. And I'd be like, boy, you'd better get on those hormones right away. I'm thinking the three-year-old and concerning. And we don't even know the full medical consequence of that either yet. But people are doing that. Oh, yeah. Like crazy.

But this part, I'm sort of agnostic about. Yeah. It's like, maybe I don't know. I'm more worried with the way this guy's treating his children. It does not feel very connected or empathic. This feels very tutorial. It's very, like, weird and formal. Maybe it's just because the camera's there.

I don't know. Right. Oh, it could be. Yeah. But it would not feel comfortable being his, was he dad or mom? Well, he's mappa. He's mappa. He would not feel comfortable having him as mappa.

Right? I mean, you'd feel weird if you were that kid. That's when she's like, hey, shut up, call me Micah. Yeah. Stop asking me stuff. Stop making me uncomfortable. Yeah. You think something mental is going on with this type?

I don't understand, like, why you bitches and people is mad just because I sound black and then that's what I call I sound black. Like, at the end of the day, what is a race anyways? You feel me? Because, like, we all won. We are here on this world. It's supposed to be equal. It's just in the past, people was messed up and stuff.

Oh, honey. Yeah. What's going on here? I feel so angry at our educational system sometimes. Yeah. I really get angry. Something. I don't see anything mental.

Nothing mental health-wise other than a little angry, but just like, come on, everybody. Yeah. Let's go back to school. Let's be able to function in society. Yeah. Shanta, you and your daughter sad as fuck, bitch. Why would you wish death on somebody you don't know? That's real sad.

And obviously, you can see I'm not ugly, bitch. And my hair go down. Might be a little fat. Never claimed to be skinny. These are, for people just listening, these are two back-to-back white girls. I love these two girls. Yeah. They're pretty entertaining.

Why don't you start talking like that? I'm trying. I can't do the accent that well. Try it. Look at me try it. She's still going. And I don't see Nancy, bitch ass. And I don't see Nancy, bitch ass.

Yeah, you good. Okay. This is a good one for you. I'm a little fat, but I still got some ass and thighs now. I'm a little fat, but I was skinny. But I bet I can ride better than any of these bitches in this group, though. Do you guys know Theo Von? Yeah, we know.

Theo's, you know, he'll talk about being raised around that. Oh, really? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Louisiana. Yeah. He does not have good feelings about what was going on there. Really?

Yeah, yeah. Jesus Christ. That was pretty good stuff. What else are you going to get me in trouble with? What about, um, what's the racial stuff, Tommy? What's that word that you taught me where you choose your race? Transracial. Transracial.

Oh, that's interesting. That's people are like saying, like, like it'd be like me saying, you know, the thing is I was born, I know what you see, but I'm actually Filipino. Yeah. Identify with Filipino. So what's going on there? Is that mental illness or is that a, what's going on there? You're trying to get me into, how much trouble are you trying to get me into one podcast?

I'm genuinely curious about these people. What's happening? Yeah. And jail homeless, you're a thug. This is a, this is a social phenomenon. This is not, this is not a mental health issue. Okay. Got you.

So this is just the times. This is, this is what's in the aether. People are like, I'm, oh, I'm doing that thing too. Yes. Okay. Interesting. Cause that, yeah. If you want to move, Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ. Oh, there's one last guy, this guy has been like a big deal. Look how exhausted he is. Look at him. This poor man. But there's just one guy we want you to weigh in on. All right. Just, he's just, he's got a dinner waiting for him at home.

He's walking down the street, just working on a song. Okay. Machines were thin, machines were thin. They got a gun and got a gun. Yeah. Got a gun, terminated gun. Yeah. Machines were thin, machines were thin.

T 16. Sorry. Do you notice anything there? Is everything seem normal or no? Wow. Trying to make my rap. Trying to make my rap. Trying to practice on my flow.

Trying to practice on my flow. Machines were thin. Machines were thin. I can't picture Drew listening to this shit. I just feel, I feel sad. I feel sad. You feel? It makes me sad.

What part? What part of it? Just that we're failing people so miserably. It's not mental health. He made a new, a new one. Wait a minute. My introduction, my song. It's called Crazy Isn't It.

Well, here I go. I'll drop that verse for you. Crazy isn't it? Crazy isn't it? Drop that verse. Drop that verse. Got the knife. Crazy isn't it?

Got that knife. Crazy isn't it? Crazy isn't it? Drop that verse. How crazy isn't it? Innocent, innocent. This guy will be a great juggalo. He is.

He is. Okay. He'll be fine there. He'll be fine amongst his peers. Wow. There it is. Normative, somewhat normative behavior is engaged. Even the juggalos will find problem with this.

But he will, he will make a good juggalo. Lucky you. So that was amazing. That was amazing. You got your spidey senses back. So now would you say this is mental illness or an educational failure? No. This is a juggalosis.

Juggal... Juggalitis. Holy shit. Juggalosis. I almost went to the juggalo convent. What do they call it? The gathering? Yeah.

I want to go to the gathering. Just to see what's going on there. I got to show you. So many people. That's so interesting. I want you to treat them. My very favorite picture. Can you treat them and mask?

Can you open up a booth at the juggalo convent? Well, probably should people warn me off going because they said it would be too scary that I would get hurt. I think that's a good... That's a good job. I really wanted to go though. I really did. So this gentleman is just...

He's a juggalo. What are you going to do? He's a juggalo. It's just... It's a cultural thing. Yeah, just an expression. No problems. It's an expression.

No problems. Okay. He's not angry? Oh, yeah. And he's socially... Like I said, I got sad. But to know there's a place at home, even for him, amongst the juggalos. I mean, it felt pretty good.

How about this? Let's hope for that one. Is this different? I think we're traumatizing, Dr. Drew. Another one I'm in love with. This is just good comedy, man. Well, I'm saying, like... Come on.

Do you think... Is there anything to doing that? Yeah. Is there... Like, should I be concerned about her? Well, like... Yeah. That's trauma, right?

If you're making fart videos? No. For money? Come on. For money, she gets paid for that? Of course. $50 a fart. God is great.

I mean, seriously, like... Seriously, what? This is trauma. Is this okay? Is she going to do this too? There's a reason. Oh. I mean, there's people that do this.

Is there something that... And there are people that then play it over and over again to other guests on podcast. Well, I'm saying... I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. You'll see there's... Suddenly, I'll cut the pictures of her.

She's been abused, right? Yeah. Her stepdad. I'm in love with her, too. She's a very sweet girl. This is the best thing ever. Now, that's just funny. Okay.

So you just enjoy that. I just enjoy that. Thank you. Women's farting. Why is that funny? Oh, because it's right. Does this type of... Because you have so...

Like, there's so many tells that you're keyed in on. Yeah. I feel like... Because you're like, you know, you look at the eyes. Yeah. Yeah. Do you think that this voice... Fiscal properties.

Yeah. Like, does... She made me do copious amounts of cocaine with her. To the point... And when I... I thought my heart was going to stop. Yeah. That's it?

Yeah. She made me do copious amounts of cocaine with her. To the point I thought my heart was going to stop. That's it? Yeah. She told me to calm down. Oh. Gave me a drink.

And I don't know what was in the drink, but I blacked out. Look up. She had both of my legs over her shoulders. And she was numb sucking my asshole like there is no tomorrow. Numb sucking? What is numb sucking? I tried to fight it. I tried to get away.

But I was restrained. She told me that I liked it. You probably did. She told me not to worry because she used the good jelly. The schmuckas. I mean, is this something... We don't know who this thing is. Nobody's paid me to confess this now.

And I've kept it under wraps for all these years because I knew that no one would believe me. No one would believe that Hillary Clinton ate my asshole. Oh my God. But doesn't his eyes feel like there's something going on? Is he telling the truth? I can't tell. I can't tell.

Well, he's not telling the truth. I don't know what's up with him, but he's not telling the truth. That's Ryan Sikler. It's a very funny comedian. No, is it? No, no, no. It's another... I thought it was him.

I'm looking for my favorite picture here for you guys. Juggalos? Yes. My juggalo picture. I'm going to find it. They could really use you in that community. Yeah, maybe. I just don't want them to kill me if I show up.

No. They're a piece in love, dude. Okay, pups. We've had a bit of a rest. Time now for some training. I think we're assaulting them. What's involved in human pup plays? It first seems really simple, because most people think...

Now, what's happening? You just get huddles. Huddles. Huddling around and going woof woof and bark bark. But it's really so much more complicated. So that guy started this pup play training in New Zealand. Training. Training.

And he's got all these guys into it there. And he was basically like, oh, it's a fun get together. Well, at first he was like, just a bunch of guys and join each other's company. And then later it's like, we also ejaculate in each other's faces. That was a big secret. Oh, after we have... So that's sort of like the furbies, furries. Yeah, on that video there, it's all on the up.

It's like we just hang out and I treat them like dogs. And then we found videos of him online in a different light where he was basically like... Run your finger along your crack. If you're us, you don't need to finger your hole. You don't want to come back with shit on your finger. No, you don't want that. Yeah, but he was instructing people in a much more graphic way when it wasn't for a news piece. Well, of course.

You don't want to... Yeah. What's that? There we go. Oh my gosh. Me and Violent J and Shaggy. Do you show me a picture tonight on Love Line? You had these two guys on Love Line.

Repeatedly. The insane clown posse. You've had these guys on many times. I see Peter and my buddies. I've heard them on a stern before. Yes. They seem fun. They're funny.

These guys come to studio like this. They never are seen anywhere without either a Mexican wrestling mask or that clown makeup on ever. They've never been seen. It's a lot of work. That does seem like a lot of work. Do they do it themselves? Imagine the guy with the hockey mask wearing that makeup.

Then it starts to make sense, doesn't it? Right, right, right. That's what you were looking for. What's your take on... You would look like Shaggy. It's terrifying. You know, people make fun of juggalos a lot and like ICP and all that stuff. But then they also bring about how business savvy these guys are with this, you know?

They're brilliant. And there's a whole philosophy and stuff and it's hard to argue with them. I mean, they really are kind of interesting guys. Yeah. And it is positive, right? They're all about... A lot of aggression and violence when they gather. But other than that, I have no quarrels.

All right. Well, we want you to go home and have salmon and... I want to see more fart videos. I mean, come on. No. All right. Really? Oh my God.

You came to your mom's house. We got them. You asked for it. Yeah. Oh, same girl. Now, do you think she really does this or someone's playing like a video or sound effects over? There's a rooster in the background.

You know who you... I'm not sure that was the best idea. Do people pay for this? I guess. Yeah. That's the thing that we're trying to figure out. Yes. Is it sexual?

Yes. Yes. So they... So people get off on this. It's not just comedy. We first brought it up a while ago. A guy wrote in and he was like, well, the whole thing is seeing a pretty girl do the dirty thing.

That's what he gets off on. A dirty thing. Well, you know... Farting. So why the rest of us just laugh? I don't know. You seen cake farts? Yes.

Come on. That's like first grade. Come on. That was an exercise of utility. Let me see if I can... But like this girl definitely had a bad childhood, right? I mean, you don't fart on the internet because things were good in your childhood. You know, there's a high degree of secondary enforcement.

What's that mean? She gets paid a lot probably to do this. Oh, yeah. So it may just be one of those things. It's like $100. Do you want $100? I think Susan says she's tired and she made a crappy dinner. Oh, they'd be like, I'm glad I'm not there.

Should I put her on the... Should I get her on the phone? Yeah. Tell her we're watching fart videos. Do you think something's going on? We're going to show you the king real quick. Sorry. Sorry.

Sorry. Sorry. Let's see. Please analyze this guy. We're really curious about him. Oh, we're not going to get her. She's texting me. What she answered from is drives me crazy.

Drives me crazy too. Don't you want to murder your spouse sometime? No, I want to kill you when you don't answer and I want to talk to you. But he didn't just complete a text to you and then not answer. Oh my God. Please come on. Come on, Susan. Come on.

She's missing such good material. Talk about... She loves you. She loves you. She loves you. She loves you. She loves you. She loves you.

She loves you. She loves you. She loves you. Talk about... She loves Fart Tamer. Really? Oh, really? No.

She does not get it at all. Do you fart in front of each other? Sure, a little bit, but she's not... This guy is a legend. He's called King-ass-ripper. How about that guy in store and that does Joe the Farter? Yes, yes. What's he called the Farter?

King here? This guy... This guy blows that guy away, dude. Yeah. We've tried contacting him. A lot. Oh, my God. He won't come on our show.

Why not? I guess his identity is a secret. Yeah, well, no. He shows his face. He shows his face. Does he? Yeah, in this video. Does he respond to your emails?

No. I mean, look, look. We've offered him money. Look, King-ass-ripper. It's all about... Oh, my God. Yeah. You guys live in this world.

Yeah. Hi, Susan. You're on the podcast. You didn't tell me that... Hey. You didn't tell me that your mom's house is just these two sitting around watching... Hold on. Okay, hold on.

Look at the King-ass-ripper. King-ass-ripper. On the voice? Oh, she's watching the voice. Oh. Oh. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Wait, you didn't tell me that your mom's... I think... Hang on. You didn't tell me your mom's house is just these two sitting around watching fart videos. Which... You're watching fart videos? Yeah. Yeah, they're...

Yeah. On Instagram? No. We have files saved. Yes. How did you... How did you know about that? We watched it together.

Well, these two have made an art form of that. They apparently study it like the Zebruder tapes. Yeah. Do you remember we watched it together? Yes. I was... My first exposure was recently. Yes.

We were both in disbelief. Oh, of cake? Of cakefarts? No, this was just watching women fart online. And we were like, what? Yeah, it's a special lane. Actually, I'd been pre... My hymen had been ruptured prior to getting here.

I might have been shocked. So... Your version of fart videos, huh? There's so many. But I just wanted to tell you... I'll hear the... But she can't hear it, right? Oh, she can't hear it.

Hold on. Let's get to the speaker. That's the guy, though. That's King Ezra. That's King Ezra, but he's just farting on his dog. Yeah. That poor dog. Oh.

Susan? It's that one. Yeah. He's the guy who farted on his dog. Animal abuse, right? In our world, our dogs abuse us. Of course. Oh, my God.

But if the dog enjoys it, is it really considered animal abuse? Well, Susan, I called you to tell you what I'm still doing. So I'll get home as soon as I can to eat your crappy dinner, as you said. Yeah, I'm sorry about that. It's fine. I'm sure it's... We miss you, Susan, when we could be here. Yeah.

This time, it was terrible. Oh, I'm sorry. But listen, they miss you. We miss you. I'm sad you didn't come. Oh, I know. Thank you for saying that. I wish I could have been there.

That's fine. Do all the plugs. Do all the plugs. Do all the plugs, guys. I forget. Susan. Wait, wait. Tom's talking to you.

Susan, how great is Drew's body? Amazing. Yeah. Yeah. That's what we were talking about. Amazing. And you know what's really cool? What?

Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Okay. Just in case your kids are listening. No, no. No. You have your prostate removed. There's no semen.

Right. Ghost nuts. That's awesome. Yeah, very clean. Ghost loops. Very clean. That must be nice. There's no must-of us.

Yeah. Oh, that's nice. Oh, no. Is that not PC for your show? I'm so glad. Oh, for this show? For this show? Are you fucking kidding me?

It started very nice, but it goes down a rabbit hole. You wouldn't have to leave. So, that's so fun. That's the best line of the night. So, give all the plugs. I'll never forget. I remember to do it. Go ahead.

After I bleed to my butt hole. Okay. Make sure you listen to this live podcast, The Doctor Who and Bob Forrest, or Mike Calderwood, depending on what kind of mood I'm in. The Doctor Who podcast, Adam and Drew podcast, and Weekly Infusion. Oh, and of course, calling out with Susan Pinsky, which I'm resurrecting this week. I'm not sure you want this crowd over there, but just saying. They've already been on the show, honey.

No, no. Not these two. I'll find them amusing in their current mom's house. Okay. Okay. All right. We'll be home soon enough. Okay, I love you.

I love you too. Bye. Bye. And I just did. That was beautiful. Yeah. Your show. What's it called?

Sorry. I forgot. You did the You Live. Yo, how do you have time to do all this shit? What the hell? What the fuck, man? I'm just doing it. I'm just cranking it out.

You're like a pro podcaster. I'm like it was a serious workaholic, though. So, everything seems easy to me since those days. This is the farder. This is the farder. He also does gluttony videos. Three fucking beef and cheddar sandwiches, slop with fucking mayonnaise. He's in Brooklyn too.

Yep. Evidently. Fucking leek dissing. I don't like to eat anymore. I know. It's crazy fucking mayonnaise. It's hard to watch. Yeah, but he does.

I love how fucked up people are that they do it. God damn. That's weird, right? There's also videos where he gets out a bunch of this food and he farts on it and then eats it. I'm not interested in him. I'm interested in who's watching him. We've brought him to a lot of people.

I mean a lot. Yeah. Makes you want to throw out. Do you think this is like a fetish thing? Yeah, so this is all fetish stuff. Why would somebody want anything that's sexual? That shouldn't be sexual. You know what I mean?

Yeah. Why do you think gluttony? How does that turn someone on? I'm not an expert in this area, but I've always had the sense that it was something to do with being force fed as a child or something. Oh. That it was too gratifying or maybe the breastfeeding was done in an aggressive way or something so they always feel like they're overwhelmed by it.

Yeah. He used to just do fart videos and then he started doing the glutton. He evolved as an artist. Yeah, he really did evolve. But he's getting paid for these things, right? I think so, but you know, we've never really found his place. Pop back for more fucking gluttony. You already know.

Oh. Yeah. What's up gaining community? Gaining community. What I'm gaining community. Yeah. I'm wondering if it's... You need to go to my channel, gluttonyslop, and go to the pig out checkout button.

I'm wondering if it's... To donate some money to me. There you go. There's no women that are interested in this shit. No, no, I'm not a heterosexual man. It's all... Everything weird is mad. Let's face it.

Yeah. No, it's gay men. Maybe that's why he won't answer us, Jeans. I think because we've reached out to him so many times and I think he needs to keep his business intact. I think it's gay guys that are into this stuff. He goes also by I fart in your face. But he...

We really... This is him here. This is like him and his... A hard dresser to fart on. A hard dresser to fart on, you know, and he would just post these videos. Okay. Let's give him a nice sort of jackhammer quality. Yeah.

Oh my God. So high tide. Everyone has their own talent. Yeah. Some thing or another. You know, there's a big scandal about those fart videos with him was that people... Scandal. People didn't believe they were genuine, that he was shooting air into himself.

Okay. Well, that would still be genuine in a weird way. Well, yeah. Well, let me ask you this. Medically speaking, I mean, is that really possible what that guy's doing or is that fake? It's possible. So the bacteria can produce a lot of gas, right?

They split the nitrogen. Oh. Waste there. Are you writing this down? And so the methane that's produced by the bacteria can be high volume. And if he holds it in for periods of time and then films it when it's time to go, I can see. And he probably knows what to give him feed himself to get the optimal production.

Oh. And sometimes swallowing air. Sometimes people will swallow a lot of air and some of the guys can suck in air. Yeah. They can actually suck it like Will the Farter? And then Rectum. Yes. Will the Farter sucks.

He sucks. Which I feel is kind of a trick, a parlor trick and not a real thing. I agree. This guy's a real deal. But it's always like inserting air. Well, let's be fair. What is it you actually want from this guy? I mean, does it really matter how it got to that point?

Does that violate your sensibilities? The Geneva convention on fart production has to be pure bacterial methane production. We'll have no air above or air from below. The judges will rule for me. Yes. I definitely want them to be here. I do in farts. I want them to eat that Arby's and McDonald's.

Yeah. But if it's swallowing air as part of his gas production, some people, the air goes through. Yeah. And why not give them that if he has that talent? I mean, I, I, I understand. Like I'm just saying one of the judges say, I feel like the judges, I feel like the committee would want to review this. Well, I feel worthy of worthy of a throw on the flag.

I want an official review. Yeah. I have another very scientific question. Oh my gosh. I don't know if I can take it anymore. Sorry. This is the last one. My mother used to tell me she used to, I used to fart a lot.

And when sometimes I'd complain about the farts, she would say that you should be grateful for the farts because farts push the shit out. Now, is that true that farts push the shit out? It's not true. Shits push the farts out. Farts and shit are a center, sort of disconnected phenomena. What? Yeah.

Yeah. They're sort of, You blow in my mind. I'm in my whole life. I'm raised to believe. They can be a little connected, but they obviously there's some connection there, but they, they're independent. They're not like,

Shits still push the farts out? They, a shit will, a fart will come out with the shit, but the shit still, yeah. And the, she said the farts push the shit out. The farts? Right. And it's a little different. Yeah. And the farts just come out.

They just, I mean, they're not, there's no causal relationship. Not really. I mean, it may give you more of a sense of a desire to fart. Did you ever think studying and being a, Did I ever think I'd be on this show, any show talking about this? Never. No.

Never. That's not something I expected to be talking about. I thought we'd, I thought your wife was really smart. I thought we'd talk about, I thought we'd talk about Kierkegaard. That's the other show. Thomas Aquinas. That's the other show. I, Kierkegaard on top of it.

I don't know. Well, I took a leap of faith by coming on this show and I'm here to tell you, Kierkegaard was wrong. It doesn't, it doesn't so much work out. It doesn't seem to, it's required to get here, but I think Heidegger was a little close to the proper analysis of the existential phenomenon of reality. This is hilarious. You're the best man.

Thanks for coming on. Thank you so much. Thank you for letting us torture you with these clips. This is, are we really done? I have a weird sort of like desire to continue. Oh, I'll continue. I thought the weird, like weird, like I feel attached to all this. I'm traumatized.

I get every traumatic attachment. I love it. Trauma bonding. You're going to associate beards with this for a long time. And it's stalking behaviors and I'm not going to know when to leave or go. Give me one more. Give you one more. Okay.

Give me a, give me a high grade, no, no violent medical injury stuff that I'm going to be thinking about the surgical suites. Oh, I don't know. What? What about the dad excitement? The trans Canada highway? What about, what about, what if your other guests have extra had extraordinary reactions to extraordinary?

Well, we high level reactions to, to guests that should be able to take it. Is this thing? I don't know. Is this one of them holding? I want one. There's so many. We did eventually meet Ken, who shares her sexual preference. Oh, not this.

No, not this. I was technically a virgin until I was 29 years old. I was a zoofile. No, no. Zoofile? Yeah. I don't know. No, no.

Okay. All right. I don't know. You said what he said. Shit. I'm, I'm doing it on the fly, man. It's a bomber. What about the, what about the trans?

Trans Canada highway? No. That's not weird enough. No. You know, my radio partner, and Mike Catherwood sends me weird stuff all the time. He goes on the dark web and he's very fascinated with, uh, dire people, the diarrhea on each other. I had a, I, I need to connect Tom and Mike up.

Yeah. I was going to say, uh, they diarrhea on each other and it's a sexual thing. Well, you can't really do it on each other. Only one person gets to be the receiver and one is the, oh, I gotta go up for you. I gotta go up for you. I wouldn't want to see that. It's really awful. I was nearly vomit every time and he finds great glee and delight.

People have a strong reaction to this. All right. Here we go. I'm your mom and you're my son and I am falling in love with him. Oh. He said, are you really? I said, yes, I am. He said, you know what?

I was scared to let you know too. I am too. We're both sending adults if, if, uh, it comes down to it, you know, it's just like, yeah, there's a whole phenomenon. Yeah. We used to do, we did this on each other a number of times and, uh, there's a woman I ended up interviewing several times who was in recovery from this. And so she can talk about what the delusion is like when you're in it and how people

get into that and how they get out of it. So you're saying because of the separation, the bond was distorted. Yeah. It gets all fucked up. So maybe how do you develop a romantic? You don't see them as a maternal figure. It's just a, yeah, it's just all, it gets sexualized inappropriately and stuff. So should you be able to marry your mom?

No, because, because whenever, whenever it's just like the gays though, what, what? That's what that guy says. I don't think he saw that, but he goes, it's just like the gays we're consenting. Yeah. Yeah. It's like if we're both adults, laws against the consanguinity and producing kids on that, that close. Right.

Yeah. You can do that. But I, you know, I have a question about government overreach that we should get involved with that at all. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I heard in college that you can have sex with your cousins. Oxford.

No, not Oxford. This is university standards. Oh, okay. A lesser school. Yeah. And I, I, I was told that you can have offspring with your cousin that you won't have. You can with your siblings and with your mom, but it, but at the risk of trouble is there. But lesser, lesser so with cousins, as you get further and further away, it's less so

in cousins is not that big of a risk. Right. Like royalty used to marry. Egyptian royalty married their kids. Ew. Yeah. Brothers and sisters and things. They did horrible, horrible stuff.

That's nasty as hell. Ew. That's very bizarro. Uh-oh. At the kilometer marker, 7,128. Uh-oh. And this is where I believe with a 90%, uh, no, make that 95% chance that this is in fact the very place where the trans-Canada paved its last section.

Woo! Oh yeah. What? Right here. Yeah. This makes sense. This is where the West meets the East. It's like a big golden spike was put in there and he's, but he's really, he really, I mean.

Oh, one more time down the middle. Oh. This is like the guy with the double rainbows. Yes. But that guy was on drugs. Is this guy on drugs? Well, I think so. I think so.

This is a downhill section, fortunately. This is drugs. So weird. There's a lot of drugs. No, why didn't we think of drugs? Yeah. Well, what kind of drugs were we talking about? It was like a doubt.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Ladies and gentlemen, your trans-Canada highway. It's odd, right? I mean, it's a lot. Can I take a shower before I leave? Yeah. But it's oddly mesmerizing. Yes, all of this is oddly mesmerizing.

Fuck. You guys are doing good. I know. Tom, hurry up. What? Is that Charlie? Oh, where's your rainbow? Oh, dirty son of a.

Come down later for moose soup. Moose soup? Moose soup. Yeah. She's looking, she's watching this boat race and the guy falls in the water and then she goes from like, you know, like you hear like, fuck. Cause she, he fell in to keep asking them to come over for moose soup that she's got later for them.

What do you, what do you think she looks like Drew? Like just on the voice. The granny from Beverly Hillbillies. That's pretty accurate. Yeah. His body. What does she actually look like? Like a granny.

Yeah. You guys come down here after I got moose soup and everything. All right. You guys are doing good. It's not the right superlative. Bitch. Hey, I got you on video. Do we get to see her?

She blows them all later in a different video. Like before. Yeah. It's great. No. No Tom. Does she really look like a granny? You know, whatever she looks like.

No, no. No, no. She doesn't. No, no, no. She looks like. She's a mess. She's kind of built and yeah. Like she has moose soup all the time.

Jesus. All right. There we go. All right. I'm done. My book here is done. I'm tapped out. All right.

I'm tapped out. This has been awesome. Yeah. Oh, thanks for coming. I wish I'd had a clip to play that would top everything. I was trying to, you know. Give me a winner. Yeah.

Can you top this video? King Astropora. I mean, I'm actually pretty amazed at how not phased you are by all this. I mean, you have seen it all. I have seen it all. Trust me. Mostly when I see aberrant behavior, I'm either sort of oddly, you know, sort of intrigued or I feel sad.

Yeah. Those are the two feelings I get around. Like really people do that. And then I get sad because I know how fucked up. You're sad, but you're also empathetic. So here's the thing. Jesus, this bride. I think we should go on strike against cum.

A cum strike. Oh boy. Keep going. From now on, I'm only going to swallow the cum of a man or put on my body to come of a man who's willing to touch it or kiss me afterward. She just felt like she's good for her. And she plays a little Chopin and Beethoven. Oh yeah.

She's smart lady. Yeah. If he's not willing to touch this cum, I won't either. Bold stance. What's that? She's my favorite. There you go. It's just a thing.

She's probably somebody's piano teacher. Yeah. So it's, it's extraordinary stuff people will put online, is that it? That's our whole, that's our whole show. Yeah. And the stuff, and the stuff they send you, I'm impressed. I got to get Catherine in your, in your, my radio partner in, in, in your world. Let's do it.

Cause he goes on the dark web and he's a genius at finding horrible stuff. Oh, please hook us up. Please hook us up. I will. Okay. Yeah. I have to just constantly erase his text from me. Just fucking, let's do a group text.

Can I ask you one last thing though? Just as a societal question, you're a smart guy and you seem to analyze stuff and, and where it's all going. I do feel like this lack of shame that we're now experiencing in our culture, like people posting come strike videos, et cetera. There used to be an element of like, Hey, this is private versus public. Oh, that's all gone. Right.

What are the consequences of that psychologically as a society? I'm less worried about the, the mechanism of this manifesting as much as it is that people are running at it and using it all the time. In other words, they have no personal boundaries. So this is the perfect place for them to be boundless. It's not the technology's fault. That's an internal fault. Yeah.

I don't know what you guys are putting online, but I'm going to be looking. I'm imagining it's not going to be this kind of stuff. Yeah. Hoping. No. Tom's left. No. No.

Okay. And so it, it's, you know, we live in a time when people have been abused, their body boundaries have been violated. They have no personal boundaries. They're from no family, unstructured family systems and you know, that's, this is it. And shame is, shame is the sort of either they're, they're overcome by shame or they're totally avoidant of shame. Those are sort of the two versions we have today.

And avoidant, shame avoidance are narcissists. Narcissist. Exactly. Wow. Shame of what it's like. Narcissists, yeah. Oh yeah. Wow.

Absolutely. Narcissists refused to feel ashamed of anything. Yeah. There's a real famous guy right now. We get to see him every day. He really was like, that was Clinton. Oh yeah. Really?

Oh right. He really was very slippery with shame. Right. And would just be, you know, these horrible, shameful things and it's just. I mean, yeah. I'm not going to say much about it. It's just by being, depends what is it. Uber.

Narcissist. Uber Narcissist. And that, I'm surprised that has not come crashing down more. Yeah. I feel like there's a push for it more lately. It's coming now. It's just starting to come. And it's been, I always thought that was the most extraordinary exploitation.

Exploitation of an underling, you know, which is extraordinary. Yeah. In a place of business. Can you imagine the person in the highest level of authority taking advantage of the person at the lowest level? Yeah. That guy would, that CEO would go to jail. Right.

Not only being a civil problem. And if his wife came at and then tried to abuse the intern, she'd be in trouble too. It's like, it's not okay. But I guess, like we said at the beginning, to be a president, you can't be all that healthy. For sure. For the record, Drew thought that the car crush video was funny. So that's something.

No record. I muted both of your mics. I do. I muted both of your mics. Yes. He did. Yes. He did.

This is Tom signing off. You said it was funny. I said, there's a funny peep part of it. It's not funny. It's not. I said, it would be very funny if it were in the context of fiction. A lot of people have sat there and said it was funny, by the way. I understand why.

I understand why. But I know the reality. That's why we're psychotic, right? No, no. No, no. I could see why somebody would say that's funny. See? Let's put it this way.

Psychotic. First of all, they were not female. They were all male. Mm-hmm. Which for sure, right? Interesting. We find violence funny. Yeah.

Women, it's almost, you know, three stooges humorous. Is it because they're dumber? Why? It's almost a dividing line between men and women. It's three stooges humor. It's stupid. My women just look at it and say, it's stupid. Because we create life and you guys destroy it.

Pretty much. When you're a mother and you make life, the thought is ridiculous. Pretty much. We don't kill something. We don't kill. We just destroy it. Mame. Different thing.

Yeah. It's my child. I think. It's funny. We'll wait till your son gets older. We'll see. Oh, my God. You'll see it.

You will see it. The destructive nature. Oh, wait till your kid turns 14. I can't wait. I want to be here to a podcast with you. You'll think it's great. You're coming back. That means you'll come back.

Yeah. Yeah. Let's schedule it. Let's schedule it. All right. All right. Thank you so much. Thank you.

I'll put those on. It's a song made in busy snorts. Love you too. Oh. Thank you for having me. Everybody knows I'm a dog. There you go. I love the show.

I love your mom's house. Thank you for having me all the time. Uh, yeah, no problem. There you go. I love your mom's house. Thank you for having me. Everybody knows I'm a dog. I love you.

Me too. I love you. I love you too. I love your mom's house. Thank you for having me. Everybody knows I'm a dog. There you go. I love you.