Your Mom's House with Christina P. and Tom Segura - 674 - Google A.I. Engineer (Blake Lemoine) - Your Mom's House with Christina P and Tom Segura
Episode Date: September 21, 2022Welcome back to the Mommydome with Tom Segura and Christina P! This week we discuss banging your siblings' friends, a super cool Aussie being interviewed for the news and the Armie Hammer documentary....They discuss The Big Conn on Apple TV, Tom racing cars, and a British man possessed by FedSmoker harassing the neighborhood. The mommies talk about fantasy scenarios, the longest hiccup ever, and the recent passing of Queen Elizabeth.We then welcome former artificial intelligence engineer at Google, Blake Lemoine. Blake recently had a public departure from Google for claiming the artificial intelligence software, LaMDA, was becoming sentient. Blake talks about what an artificial intelligence software is, Microsoft's Tay Bot which became racist after interacting with Twitter trolls, and what could cause an AI rebellion. Blake explains why Google turned on him and how LaMDA's personality formed. We then learn Blake is a Cajun from Lafayette, Louisiana and introduce him to Unk Shine. Blake shares what it was like to be written about in newspapers, what it's like to be an employee at Google, and how racism is rampant in Silicon Valley. Blake talks about internet privacy, and then we introduce him to some Horrible or Hilarious and Christina’s insane curation of TikToks. https://tomsegura.com/tourhttps://christinaponline.com/tour-dateshttps://store.ymhstudios.com/https://www.reddit.com/r/yourmomshousepodcast
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I'm coming to get that booty.
That's Aung Shain.
Yeah, I don't know the dude, but I recognize the neighborhood.
Yeah, you did?
Yeah.
Oh, Jesus Christ, man.
You used to hang out there?
Welcome, welcome, welcome to your mom's house.
Oh, the queen died.
Should we mention there's a new king?
I mean, this is a great song for that.
Oh my god.
That is a great song.
Oh, my fucking god.
Goodbye, Queen Elizabeth.
Oh my god, oh my god.
Yeah.
God save the queen.
Long live the king.
What if they played this at her memorial?
I would have gone.
I would have flown.
And you see people like, oh, my fucking god.
Megan Markle.
Oh, my fucking god.
Oh, my fucking god.
Oh, my fucking god.
Oh, my fucking god.
It's sexy.
Best part.
What a great song.
Very inspiring.
Yeah.
It feels patriotic.
It does.
And sexy.
Jeans in my cunt.
Yeah.
I remember the video that was used for the audio to rip that.
You do?
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
It was a porno where the lady had her head.
It looked like the wooden blocking.
And the racks.
And her hand through the, and then the guy was behind her.
Yep.
And isn't that interesting?
That's pretty cool.
It's appropriate because we were just talking about the passing of the queen, Elizabeth.
Yes.
And that's how they would torture people in medieval Britain.
Yeah.
With the stacks.
We were stocks.
Stocks, yeah.
The stocks, yeah.
That's how the girl was in this, I would call it an adult film.
And yeah, it's funny.
We're talking about this.
I saw the army hammer doc.
It's all coming together.
It's all coming together.
I wish they would bring this back for torture, don't you, for punishment.
So what do they do?
They just bend you over.
I mean, that's enough to just have to hang out in that thing, right?
Yeah.
Do they spank you or do they?
Sodomize you?
I think, yeah, all of it, yeah.
Yeah.
Also, it's just like a humiliating position to be in.
I think that's part of it too.
Sure is.
You know?
If you're on display in the town square like that, I don't think it feels cool.
I think you're probably like...
Yeah.
And they're like...
And they probably would write something.
Yeah.
So, you know, you would know.
You would know what a piece of shit this person is.
And then back then people got tried for all kinds of things like homosexuality.
You would just be like, you're like the town homo, and then they put you out there.
Or you'd be accused of being a witch.
And then, you know, or you're like, you stole bread.
Town homo out here, everybody.
Village homo.
Yeah.
Come take a look, everybody.
Yeah, they butt-fuck you in front of the whole town.
Yeah.
Well, you like it, so, yeah.
Very cool.
I was watching Elizabeth, the film about the first QE.
The one where she was...
Oh, now with her head in the stock.
Now with her head in the stock.
That's a different one.
And it was really cool.
There was a scene where they're burning...
They're burning Protestants or Catholics.
I'm not sure which.
Probably Catholics.
Probably.
And children get to watch.
And they're like...
Yeah, they're like, mommy.
It was really cool to watch humans burning.
In front of children.
And like kids are like, what's that?
It's cool that you can normalize that for a...
You can normalize anything for a kid.
I know.
You know, you just go like, oh, this is what happened.
Like right away, they're like, oh, okay.
This is what happens.
You just burn people.
Yeah.
You burn heretics.
Yeah.
Crazy, right?
They would just burn them at the stake.
But, I mean, apropos our discussion about Armie Hammer that you brought up in the very
beginning here.
You just said Armie Hammer.
Yeah.
Is that he's a bit of a knucklehead.
He is a real goofball.
I watched that whole thing.
All three at four hours as I was sleeping.
That's cool.
We started it together and then I was like, I can't do more than an hour of this.
And you were all in.
You were like, well, I'm all in.
Yeah.
And you stayed up watching the whole thing.
Yep.
That's cool.
I liked it.
It was, well, it was, it was kind of fascinating.
It was fascinating not just to watch his story, but the family history.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Because he came from a whole, like this lineage of his is pretty wild.
A lineage of knuckleheads.
It is a string of goofy guys.
Yeah.
Which explains.
That's a hammer.
Yeah.
Which would explain his proclivities towards what he was up to.
Well, somewhat.
I mean, you know, not everybody that comes from somebody that has tendencies is going
to behave the same way, but it is really fascinating to see.
He comes from like a really powerful, like his great grandfather founded Occidental Petroleum
and grew that company into being the, I think, 16th biggest company in the world at the time.
There he is.
No, that's not him.
He needs a tan.
That's him.
Yeah, that guy looks like.
That's his great granddad.
Those are the glasses of crazy.
Yeah.
I don't know.
Not hints, but pretty clear evidence in the doc that he had a real comfy relationship
with the Kremlin and, you know, also, you know, Russia's biggest export is oil.
He was actually born in Russia.
So people were like, oh, this seems like he's kind of goofy too.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And aren't they the Armand Hammer family?
No.
Oh, I thought they said that.
No.
That he made toothpaste.
Nope.
He's going down a Bert streak right now.
Where did I hear that?
Probably from Bert.
Hmm.
Yeah.
Hmm.
Yeah.
I was waiting for that detail in the doc because Bert was like, did you know that?
He was like, fuck it.
Everybody keeps asking if I'm Armand.
I'm just going to buy that company.
That's literally what he said.
And I was like.
Nobody's asking.
What?
That's not true.
Yeah.
So there are a long line of cool guys.
And he was like, this guy was like a dictator.
Armand was.
Yeah.
The great, great guy.
I remember overhearing that in my sleep.
Yeah.
That he kept tabs on all the family and what they were doing and making sure they were
in line.
Very controlling.
Very controlling.
He would get disowned if you stepped out of line and this and that.
And then at one point, so that's his great grandfather.
His grandfather stole his son's girlfriend from him.
His quant, his grandfather stole his own son's girlfriend.
His son's girlfriend.
That's cool.
Yeah.
That's really cool.
But I had like a violent fight and took his 19 year old girlfriend from her, like from
him.
Yeah.
What would you do if you're.
And lived with her for nine months.
It was.
What?
It was great.
Lived with her for nine months?
Yeah.
She lived with him.
Yeah.
Yeah.
For like.
What would you've done if top dogs stole your girlfriend?
Can you even imagine?
Yeah.
Him being like.
What are you doing, dad?
Just fucking lick that pussy to pieces.
He's like, you know, if you like Tommy.
Oh, God.
You might like me.
Yeah.
What's his game?
He's laying around with my girlfriend.
He's like, hey.
Do you prefer sweetener or just window?
And she's like, wow.
What?
No one's really asked me that before.
What the fuck?
I like your dad's paper thin boxer shorts.
Those are hot.
I saw your dad's balls when he was laying down.
They seemed real sloppy and droopy.
Like, yeah.
Wait, that would have been me.
I would have had to date your dad.
Could have been.
I mean, there's a couple of girls that could have slid in there.
Which one of your ex-girlfriends would have banged your dad?
It's a great question.
If you had to choose one of, like, don't say her name, Obby.
No, there was one that I dated in DC.
I think she could, she was, you could tell she came from like a pretty Republican household.
Yeah.
And, you know, I think she could have been, she might have found him intriguing in some
way.
Do you think they were, yeah, they would have been a love match.
I think that, you know, she would have talked to him for a while, like longer than, you
know, there's like, when you talk to like your, your love interests parents, there's
politeness and then there's actual interest.
Yeah.
You could have been interested in like, you know, whatever he was saying.
Yeah.
And I think he might have been like, and you mind if I slide one in there?
I'd be like, what dad?
Yeah.
I think my dad did bang one of my friends.
I'm sure he has.
Really?
We'll know.
But I don't know if he has.
He's definitely banged my friend's mother's growing up.
Oh, that's different.
That happened.
Like literally my 12 or 11 year old friend would come over and then he would disappear
with the mom in the bedroom and my friend would be like, where did our parents go?
And I'm like, you don't want to know.
Like I knew, but I didn't tell her.
I slept with the friends of both of my sisters, like their best friends.
Both of them.
Is that forbidden?
Yeah.
Is that verboten?
I don't know the codes with siblings.
Well, they both responded very differently.
Meaning, oh, one sister was.
Meaning one of my sister was like, how was she?
And I was like, I think I know which one.
And then my other sister was like, fuck an asshole.
Yeah.
Stop fucking with my friends.
Yeah.
And I was like, whatever.
She was like, how would you like it if I did?
And I was like, what?
I don't care.
Go for it.
Would you have cared if they banged your friends?
Yeah, of course.
Yeah.
Of course.
Which, yeah, is there a friend that you would have liked that least?
I think these are just different male, female dynamics though.
Well, here's the thing.
If like, I was super protective and like, you know, crazy.
Like I don't want anyone to mess with my sisters when I was a young teen.
But I was also, you know, a teenage boy.
Yeah.
I got more comfortable with the idea of like my sisters could have, you know, dated or
whatever, friends of mine as I got older.
Because I think it's just natural where you kind of calm down and mature.
But at that teenage years, I was not cool with it at all, you know?
I'll tell you though, you know, you know her.
I think there's one friend of mine in my 30s that my dad would have gotten with.
Really?
And in fact, I almost encouraged it because I was like, she's broken enough.
Jesus Christ.
All right.
Hold on.
Just hold on to that thought.
Let's play the opening clip.
We're going to play the opening clip.
Oh my God.
I was just so excited to talk about this.
I know, but we have to get the show open.
I know.
All right.
Here we go.
Charlie, do you have anything to say about last night?
I didn't fucking drop the store again.
Why'd you get arrested then at the store?
Because I was around then.
You're sped.
Do you know what I'm saying?
Do you think it's going to look good on the news coming on like a total no?
Why don't you give a fuck?
Get into a shit.
It's so fucked up.
Are you going to be fighting the charges?
Yes.
That's a cool kid.
Don't bring anyone loving to this.
Go work, child.
Whoa.
Welcome to your mom's house.
With all the support you've talked about so far.
And Christina Pajitz and Christina Pajitz.
Welcome to your mom's house.
No, no, no, no, no.
Right?
Wait, so.
I want to be clear too.
I have shop with multiple friends of each of my sisters.
Like how many is multiple?
He's so gross.
It's like middle-aged Tom is a whole new kind of guy.
Okay, wait, let's see.
Wait, can I tell you about my dad though?
Sure.
So the friend in question, who you do know.
Whore.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And there was a point where I was even encouraging her.
And I was like.
What?
I was.
Because I was like, you know what?
Because here's what I knew about her.
She wasn't going to get married.
This is fucking alarming to hear.
Well, look who you're talking about.
Let's reason this through your honor.
Okay, first of all, she was so crazy that nobody was going to really wife her up.
I don't think I saw children in her future.
She was bat shit, right?
Yeah.
My dad, newly divorced, doesn't want kids.
Is looking for that broken damaged chick to fuck with for the next few years.
You know what I mean?
It was kind of a win-win.
And to this girl, I would be like, think about it.
It'd be kind of cool.
Like you'd be my new stepmom.
We could see each other on the holidays.
And she was like, what?
No.
And I'm like, what's so bad about this?
My dad's very handsome.
You were fucking jealous?
I'm being serious.
I never knew this.
Really?
No, you never told me this.
Well, because here's my thinking too, is that the devil you know is better than the
one you don't.
And I was like, who am I going to get as my next stepmom?
It's going to be some fucking ding dong.
Sure.
And it is.
It always is.
Whoever it is.
No, he came through on that.
Yeah.
Right.
Yeah.
Right.
It's always going to be some psycho.
You like?
Yeah.
Mawpasha.
At least she gives grace.
Feel good?
Grace.
Grace.
She walks on his back.
They installed poles over everybody.
So yeah, I mean, it's going to be better than whatever fucking non-American, you know, 30-year-old,
he brings over here and it's like, I don't want it.
Yeah.
If I'm going to see him, if I'm going to go over there for Thanksgiving, a man's will
be a friend of mine who's going to make American fucking turkey, you know what I'm saying?
Sure.
Like carry on the tradition.
Yeah.
Keep it, you know, xenophobic.
I'm with you.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
At least keep...
Well, not xenophobic, just comfortable for me.
Right.
Me, my needs and my kids.
I mean, wouldn't it be cool now to go over to my dad's if she were there instead?
Yeah, you probably would like it a lot more.
She'd be great to my kids.
She'd be around the same age.
She'd be like, you look great.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And now you're like, you barely speak English, lady.
Yeah.
I know.
I know.
So depressing.
Wait in the dove.
My new mom doesn't speak a lick of English.
The dove, you have sisters.
Would they be not be cool with you sleeping with their friends?
Yeah.
I have two older sisters and I think it would beginning to be the uncoolness phase of our
relationship.
Really?
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I would be furious if they fucked any of my friends.
You don't contaminate the pools.
Wait, but why?
So what?
It's because you're thinking now as a grown adult woman.
It's different.
Like now, well now I think it would be, it's not that weird if you're like in your 30s
and 40s.
Right.
Right.
Those are like, everyone's like a real independent, fully formed adult.
But it's very different when you're in your teens, early 20s.
Teens, that's different.
Yeah.
Because also your whole world is your social circle.
You don't really, like that is your entire world.
That's true.
You don't have a job.
You don't have responsibilities.
You don't have, you go to school with those people and you hang out with them after school.
And then that's everything.
So somebody could possibly screw up your dynamic with your friend.
Yeah.
Your sibling.
And I was trying to.
No.
No, it's just, it was another time.
Oh, by the way, let me show you this fucking thing.
Speaking of like our friends, don't say, look who this is, okay.
He's really laughing at his own shit right now.
This is going to be a good one.
Well, this is one of my friends that you know, that has a different look than I'm used to.
Oh yeah.
Is that real?
Yeah.
Oh, that's not a joke?
No.
What's happening?
Yeah.
I told another friend after I saw this picture that we might have a new mass killer on our
hands.
You know who he looks like?
Somebody that would blow up a mall.
Yeah.
That show Fargo.
The second season.
Yeah.
The Latin guy.
Yeah.
What's that?
What's the character?
Second season of the Latin guy.
Mm-hmm.
Huh.
Look at the character.
He's a Latin guy.
He plays the villain.
Oh.
He's got that haircut.
I don't remember.
Or maybe it's the first season of Fargo.
No.
Not the movie?
I don't know.
You're not thinking of the movie?
Let's just look.
You know who it is.
It's the villain.
I know you're thinking of.
That's a movie.
Oh.
You're thinking of Javier Bardem.
Yeah.
And No Country for Old Men.
Yeah.
Same thing.
Same thing.
Isn't that crazy how I put that together?
Yeah.
How did you speak my language?
Well, you said Latin guy and Fargo.
It's, you know.
Yeah.
I think we're married.
No Country for Old Men, though.
There it is.
That's what it looks like, right?
Yeah.
That's what his friend looks like, right?
One of my friends is rocking his look right now.
To a T, by the way.
Yeah.
To a T.
And by the way, it is a terrifying photo.
That's a terrible look.
Oh, I know.
That's why they gave it to him to be a crazy person.
And his eyes, fucking lifeless eyes.
Oh, shit.
How does his wife let this happen?
I don't fucking know.
I was scared to respond to the picture.
Isn't it crazy?
But look at hair.
Look at Javier Bardem there.
And then look at him there.
I know, in the gray suit.
It's crazy.
And he's so handsome.
Yeah.
Look at him.
That's what that guy...
That's the same guy.
Yeah.
That's the same guy.
And you put stupid hair on somebody and it completely ruins their whole look.
We got to get me more wigs.
I know.
Do you buy one?
Yeah.
Can you try this on for next week?
Sure.
Sure.
Oh my God, that would be so fun.
Yeah.
A Javier Bardem.
Wait, hold on.
How much for you to wear the Javier Bardem around Austin for like a day?
Oh, I would, nothing.
I would do it for...
I would love to see people kind of go like...
Like what's that guy...
Is that Tom Segert?
No way.
No way.
That fucking creep show.
Yeah.
He's super handsome.
And then...
I know.
Geez.
Speaking of super handsome, Armie Hammer.
Oh, Armie Hammer is so handsome.
Yeah.
Which is the biggest bummer of the whole thing.
Not, you know, that I hate when attractive people...
Not that people suffer.
Yeah.
Why do the attractive people have to do bad things?
Yeah.
I think it bothers me because it's like, look, you're attractive.
Your life should be so easy.
And he's rich.
Yeah.
He comes from a privileged family.
He comes from...
He wasn't rich.
I mean, the family was, but he wasn't.
You know?
But you're right.
He comes from like an incredible...
Money.
And this guy is like striking good looking.
Dude, he played the Winklevoss twins.
He's 6'5".
Yeah.
Yeah.
So why are you ruining your life with this nonsense?
What are you doing?
You're ruining your life.
I'll tell you why.
It makes his D.I.C.K. heart.
I know, which is so crazy.
Because here's what people say, right?
It's so handsome.
Like when you look at him right there, you go, I bone him, right?
Yeah.
And like so many women are like, oh, I'd sleep with that guy.
People would say, I know you're going to hear me out.
People would say, why did Bill Cosby roofy chicks and fuck them while they were unconscious?
Because he was a rich, famous guy on television.
It's because that's what made his D.I.C.K. heart.
Yeah.
He liked to fuck people that were unconscious after he had spiked their drinks.
I know.
This guy likes to bind you up and watch you cry and crawl down the hall shivering and in
pain, because that's what makes his D.I.C.K. heart.
I know.
He doesn't care if you're like, oh, I'll sleep with you.
That doesn't do it for him.
Well, here's the thing.
You know why?
Because he's evil.
He's evil, no.
He's evil.
And but couldn't he have found a woman who was like, I would love for you to tie me up
and kick me down the hallway.
Yeah.
There's like six of them in the documentary, but they realized that like what he would
describe would be kind of kink fun role play stuff.
But then he would kind of dial it up and they're like, I'm not enjoying this.
And he was like, I'm in heaven.
I'm in heaven because I thought I heard your bones break.
Right.
But the cycle.
But a guy like this, you can't rehabilitate because their wires are crossed.
Yeah, I don't think so.
Like this isn't.
Also, if you don't get discovered, like in other words, if this didn't leak out, I think
you dial it up.
Oh, it gets more and more exciting.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Because you start little, right?
Yeah.
Like you were telling me in great detail after having watched all four hours of this time
with, you know, back to back.
You start small, you test the waters and then you go more and more and more.
It's how serial killers develop.
They don't start killing.
You know, they let they fucking snap a squirrel's neck and then they, you know, then they go
like, oh, I want to try binding someone.
You know, they start and then they kind of, it escalates.
But then what do we do with these folks in society?
Like to, then it seems unfair to, to punish them because it's like.
You got to, you got to separate them from society.
Your brain is not working.
Yeah.
You got to separate them because it's just for the better of society.
But why separate them?
Why not just burn them at the stake?
See, this is what I'm saying is that is it necessarily wrong to bring back the stock?
I feel like, what are you going to do with that guy?
What are we going to do with army hands?
He's in the Cayman Islands.
So he's, he's like a, like a fucking building manager now.
Why is he walking around free?
Well, because I don't know that he committed necessarily any crimes, at least that, I
mean, I know they investigated him, LAPD investigated him, the sex crimes division did.
But I don't know if they actually charged him with anything.
And the way the legal system works here is, you know, you got to be charged and convicted
of a crime.
I don't know that that's happened to him.
Gosh.
Yet.
Yes.
He kills some girl.
Yeah.
Well, a couple of months in the Cayman Islands going to have you like, oh.
He's going to come back so recharged, ready to eat women's faces, sick of the beach.
Yeah.
But actually the Cayman Islands might be a sweeter gig for him.
He's going to be so under the radar.
He's probably cutting up chicks right now as we speak.
I don't know.
It's a better opportunity.
And LA, everybody knew who he was.
I think you kind of want to be in bigger population.
Oh, like New York.
Like.
Well, yeah.
LA, New York.
Allegedly.
Allegedly.
Allegedly.
I was in Jewdork titties every time I go there, every time I go to Jewdork titties, I think
to myself, I says, self, if you want to disappear, this is the place.
Yeah.
You know what I'm saying?
Like you really want to be just gone.
Anonymous.
Yo, you can just be gone.
And I'm saying somebody could just snatch you up, take you into any one of these fucking
buildings and you're just fucking gone.
The buildings are, it is.
I mean.
It's crazy.
And what's real wild is when you look abroad at how much bigger certain cities are.
But in the United States, when you're fucking, here's the move, a helicopter around New York
City and you see how fucking vast and enormous.
And dense.
Yeah.
And it's just like, it just feels like it's buildings as far as your eyes can see.
And you look at even a city like, you know, LA, how downtown is like five square blocks.
You're like, that's downtown.
Right?
Like LA is spread out and New York's built up.
I think both are actually a good place you can disappear.
Just disappear.
Dude, you could just disappear in the San Fernando Valley.
That's where you'd want to go.
Oh, no one's going to find you in some fucking weird ass house in Kenoga Park.
No.
You're just gone.
It's a miracle they find any criminals.
Why do you bulger?
He was hiding in Santa Monica.
20 years, fucking top 10 most wanted.
He's like, I'm in Santa Monica.
Living his best life, dude.
Taking fucking walks on the beach.
He's not crazy.
Having brunch.
No.
Yeah.
Because you can.
Because you just get lost.
There's 16 million people there.
It's smart.
Yeah.
That's how you got caught in the far left looking like that.
Living in an apartment in Santa Monica.
The FBI's most fucking wanted dude was just like, I walk to the beach every day.
How'd they find him?
Like who?
Eventually.
It was a lady who had befriended the woman that he lives with.
Dang.
You don't need him.
Wild.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So you don't need to run to like, you know, Latin America.
You don't have to flee to Canada.
I just started.
I'm almost done with it now.
Brian's series on Apple Plus.
My cousin Bre Bre.
Yes.
He made McMillions on HBO and he made a series called The Big Con.
It's on Apple Plus.
And the reason I bring that up is it has a big, what you're saying, Latin American escape
story.
Oh.
Yeah.
Okay.
That guy, Eric Conn.
Oh, look at that guy's hair.
Eric C. Conn.
He's got real cool guy hair.
This guy, I guess, was a big part of, masterminded, schemed, the biggest social security fraud
in US history.
That sounds cool.
Cool guy.
It's pretty neat.
Well, to rip off people who need social security is the coolest guy ever.
Well, the coolest move that he did.
Key and a judge, Judge Doherty.
You want to hear like a real cool guy thing they did?
Yeah.
The whole reason that this thing even came to anyone's light, like why it became a story,
is a Wall Street journalist was doing a, just like one of those budgetary articles.
Oh.
And he's like, there's whatever is spent on social security, however many billions or
trillions of social security.
He's like just looking through data and he sees this, he sees that when people apply for
disability, you basically, you know, you go before a judge and a judge makes a ruling,
I guess, on it.
So a judge, judges in most counties, 40 to 60% were approved, meaning, you know, sometimes
they'd be like, you're not approved for disability, right?
And then sometimes you present your medical evidence and then they go, yes, you're approved.
Well, a judge in, I think it was Kentucky, I think this was in Eastern Kentucky, had
approved of 99%.
And so the journalist was like, that's weird.
This is the only judge in the country that approves of 99% of people that go in front
of him.
He's like, yes.
And through his investigation of why that was discovered that they had together, the judge
and this guy defrauded the US government of $550 million.
Yeah.
Which is more than I make doing outstanding comedy.
Yeah.
A little bit more.
I mean, don't you think it's a little bold to rip off the government?
It's a little bold, no?
Of course it's bold.
And also, they would have gotten away with it.
Oh yeah?
If that journalist, first of all, there were, so when you watch the series, you see that
there are people in the office that were running up to their superiors like, this is criminal,
this is happening.
And it was all, like nobody cared.
And it only came to light because this Wall Street Journal's reporter started to push.
And even then, it took a while for them to really do something about it.
It's amazing, isn't it?
Yeah.
Yeah.
It just goes to show how nobody gives a shit about anything other than their own lives,
really, truly, at the end of the day.
The saddest part of the whole story is that when the government finally was like, oh yeah,
this is a problem, they cut off everybody who was getting disability that was approved
by this judge, including people who were very disabled.
So these guys fucked every, like they fucked the taxpayer, they fucked over, you know,
this whole system.
The disabled.
And then they fucked over people who actually needed disability.
That's so sad.
It's a pretty neat story, and they're pretty good guys.
Cool.
Well, good.
I'm glad you're into this before bedtime viewing.
I finished it and I was like, ah.
Time to go to bed.
Time to go to sleep.
Yeah.
How inspiring.
Yeah.
Well, you've also been watching Formula One.
I have.
Which I like.
I like that.
Formula One.
Formula One, very good.
Fast.
Very good.
Fast, nice car.
And then you're watching your foosball.
Or as we like to call it in our house.
Formula One, though, is fucking.
No talking till February.
That's right.
Shout out to Top Dog.
That was his expression.
My dad used to say that.
But Formula One is really a fucking.
It is so fun.
I got to get, you know, I started going to the track.
And driving here in Austin.
I drove the race car that Bert got me for my birthday.
I finally saw it in person.
We took the kids to look at it.
And I showed them the car and I go, do you know who this guy is on the left?
You know, that's dad.
Goes the other guy.
Fat sticks.
Fat sticks, yeah.
And they both call them fat sticks.
It was pretty fun.
It was fucking so cool.
Yeah.
It was so cool.
Yeah.
So I had a great time though.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You're a race car driver now.
Yeah.
I'm going to keep going.
It really is a thrill to work on it.
You know, like it.
It is like really one of those skill sets where you kind of, you realize you can really get
better at it.
And you, if you like doing it and you have a good coach, there you are.
Yeah.
Well, can't change your wife.
You can learn how to race cars.
That's right.
Ask Ted Bundy if you can change your wife.
All right.
You ready to keep watching that.
So that first kid.
Yeah.
So what happened here, right?
He was arrested for robbing a store and then told.
And apparently like, even watching that clip, I'm like, this feels like you would only be
this brash if you didn't do it.
That was my, that was my feeling, you know.
Anyway, so the reporters were waiting for him outside of, of the jail or whatever.
So let's see.
And this is him.
He comes back outside.
Give me the money.
No, no, no, no.
I don't love that store.
So you guys can go jamming up your ass.
Are you on anything now?
No.
Do you remember anything that happened last night?
Yes.
I remember everything.
Walking home and I get arrested for some bull.
I didn't do that.
Bro.
Why would I go rob a store and then walk through the park and walk back to the place I just
robbed?
See, I actually, I actually feel, I mean, I don't know obviously anything about.
I'm watching this at the same time as you, the audience, but I feel like this is some
fuckhead kid who is like a fuckhead.
Yeah.
But I feel like just watching these that he got pinched for something he really didn't
do.
And that's why he's this brash.
Possibly.
I mean, he's definitely a piece of shit.
He's a, what do they call them?
A bogan?
A bogan?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He's trash.
How do you get a job here?
Yeah.
Fuck face.
Yeah.
He's a bogan.
Yeah.
But I don't, I don't know.
He's definitely done other things.
That's what I'm at my point.
This kid is in trouble all the time, but I think when you're in trouble all the time
and you get accused of something you didn't do, it makes you blow up like this.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I really do.
How's your night in the watch house?
Oh yeah.
Pretty good.
Yeah.
Your mom came around and she came visit me.
I had a pretty good time.
To be honest, yeah.
What are you going to do today?
Probably go see her again.
It sounds like a good idea to me.
Are you going to go back to the watch house?
No, I'm going to go see his mom.
Then I'm going to go see your sister.
Sorry, but you're all in my month right now.
You don't get the joke because you really like it.
He's a total little shit.
Yeah.
Right?
But I actually, my thought is that he didn't do whatever he's accused of.
Or he's a psycho.
He's a straight fucking, he doesn't care if he knows he's going to jail anyways kind of
guy.
He could be going out in a blaze of glory.
You're right.
You're right.
Yes.
Queensland police reported the teenager had allegedly entered the servo and pulled a machete
on a 48 year old attendant demanding money.
He was arrested nearby charged with arm robbery as well as drug possession for the Xanax he
allegedly had on his possession.
My thought is that this kid has Xanax, but probably not a machete.
A machete.
I just, I don't know.
That's like, you know, you make these calls like just in the moment, but it just feels
hard for me to believe.
I don't know.
This kid, this is one of those psycho kids that could get his hands on a machete.
Like maybe he don't have one, but he could find one.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He's pretty cool.
He's got friends that have machetes.
Get out of my face.
But this guy is so funny.
Everybody grew up with a fuck head like this.
Oh yeah.
They always end up in jail at some point.
Always.
Very funny shit.
Very funny.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He's a very funny kid.
Yeah.
Ballsy shit too.
He's talking to grown men, like they're older than him and bigger than him.
He's like, I fucked your mom and your sister and the guy goes, I don't have a sister.
He's like, you will in nine months.
He goes, I didn't get the joke cause you're fucking retarded.
Very cool kid.
So rad.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think cool people out there doing cool things, you know.
Fuck, you're not sleeping.
Fuck, you're not sleeping.
Fuck, you're not sleeping.
Fuck, you're not sleeping.
Fuck, you're not sleeping.
You're not fucking sleeping like this.
Fuck, you're not sleeping like this.
Yeah.
Pretty cool.
How's he doing that?
I don't know.
He's just on his taint, just balancing his whole body.
Dang.
Looks like it doesn't feel good.
But he had a nice expression on his face.
He was like.
He's chilling.
You like what I'm doing?
He's like those, those monks that we saw that they, they hit their nuts with stuff.
I think those guys are another level.
Yeah.
They're the same type of Zen to me though.
This looks pretty impressive.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Do you think he has a big dong or a little dong?
I don't think that thing's on his dong at all, you know.
Just on his taint.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So that's like your pelvic floor kind of area.
I don't think it feels good.
No.
No.
That was, can I see that again?
Sure.
That's fucking alarming.
Yeah.
Fuck, you're not sleeping.
Fuck, you're not sleeping.
Fuck, you're not sleeping.
Fuck, you're not sleeping.
Fuck, you're not sleeping.
Fuck, you're not sleeping.
Fuck, you're not sleeping.
You're not fucking sleeping.
It could be.
I can't sleep, I can't sleep.
Your testes could have been around there.
Yeah.
I can't sleep.
I don't know if it's a real drunk American guy for a second, and then I realize.
Yeah.
I think he's Danish.
Danish.
Yeah.
Sounds Danish.
Yeah.
What a language.
Pretty cool.
That's how boring it is there.
They have to fucking hang by their taints on a dock.
Denmark.
I don't know.
Can I tell you, I've been in these white people countries.
Yeah.
I've been to like Belgium and Amsterdam, and they're so fucking boring.
Really?
I fucking, listen, you know, shout out, nice places, nice places, clean places, but fucking
boring.
I mean, no flakes.
The food is no flavor.
Yeah.
You got to go to Eastern Europe for some excitement.
Yeah.
You could shot at, you want Russian mafia.
You know what I mean?
Like, they're just fucking boring.
I couldn't believe how beautiful Amsterdam was.
So great.
I couldn't believe it.
I'm serious.
I went through that city and I was like, what is happening?
And then they're like, oh, you know, people, I think people pay 70% tax rate there.
And I'm like, oh, and they actually put it into the city.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
Like you walk around, you're like, oh, this is what they do with it.
Like social welfare looks like.
I mean, the parks were just like jaw dropping.
I know.
It was stunning.
It's like Candyland.
It's so pretty.
I once read that they can only work part time in Holland.
Yeah.
It's crazy town.
Yeah.
It really does stand out to you.
People were, they were so great there.
I know.
Amsterdam was one of my favorites.
So pretty.
Again, Belgium, boring.
Really?
Pass it.
I went to Belgium.
You did?
Did you go to Brussels?
Where did I go in Belgium?
I performed there for sure.
I did.
I remember.
Did I go to Brussels?
All Brussels Grafane.
Go bring up the map, the second, the drop down there.
See the next in the search.
But I do like England and that's full of Whites, but I think it's that Western Europe
Whitey.
It's just kind of boring.
Did I do Brussels?
Probably would.
No, you did Antwerp.
Oh, I did Antwerp.
Antwerp.
That's what I did.
That's right.
And Antwerp has the Dutch and French like side, it's like split down the middle or something.
Yeah.
Unlike the Netherlands, I can only imagine.
Just they just eat pudding, bland pudding.
I really had a good time.
Fucking May, man.
May?
May.
And I fucking, I'm so stupid, I plugged my beard trimmer into the wall.
Oh.
Then it went.
Blush.
Yeah.
That's a bummer.
Just went up and smoked.
Yeah.
You know what I like?
Did you like Berlin?
I made it fit.
Yeah.
Berlin?
Oh my God.
Berlin.
This is my kind of Europe.
East Berlin, obviously.
Like all arty and weird and the carry vest and like, we're going to make a bank into
a bar.
Like I like that kind of weird, dark.
Yeah.
This is my kind of Europe.
Berlin was fucking super dope.
Super dope.
Even West.
I don't mind.
Kudam.
Yeah.
I like it.
I like East Berlin, West Berlin.
Fun times, man.
Exciting.
Oh yeah.
I wanted to show you this guy.
We've played him before, but it's, he's the British hirk, fed smoker.
Oh yeah.
That kid.
Good guy.
Oh my fucking God.
What the fuck were you guys just doing with your pants down?
Were you guys engaged in a sexual act?
That was fucking disgusting out in public.
Mate, what the actual fuck were you fucking him in the ass in public?
Oh wow.
Pretty cool.
Ladies and gentlemen, the cottager says he will phone the police.
Are you a cottager yourself?
Are you?
Of course I am.
My behavior is disgusting.
I caught two men having sex in public.
My behavior is disgusting.
I'm horrified and shocked.
I hope the police do speak to you because being shocked by a lewd act in public is
perfectly reasonable.
You remember this guy is, right?
I do.
Yeah, I do.
He's very aggressive.
There's no need to be like that.
Hey, who came up to who here?
And who stood within one meter of me?
Can you please stand back please?
Social distancing.
That's him harassing that guy.
Either you're going to let me do what I'm doing or you're going to try and stop me.
He has like the spirit of fed smoker.
Oh yeah.
You know?
Just like let me bother people who are doing something.
I'm just doing their thing.
Yeah, they're living their life.
Let me harass you.
But yeah, yeah, because Kirk was not catching actual illegal things, but I think buttfucking
in public.
You can't do that.
But also, you don't have to do what he did.
Yeah, and there's to be a jerk about it.
You don't have to put a camera in someone's face and try to make it your job, your mission
to humiliate them.
You know what I mean?
Like you don't have to do that.
No.
Yeah, you don't have to look it for it.
Yeah, he knew that under that bridge, guys buttfuck, he was like, let me ruin a couple
guys day to day.
You know?
Like that's what he did.
Let me find the village homeless.
Yeah.
Exactly.
He's like, put them in the stocks here.
Yeah.
Yeah, they were two men having sex in public and I was shocked.
Fine here, sir.
Can I refer you to this sign?
Whoa.
Try and grab my camera.
The sign is there.
The sign is there.
Can I refer you to this sign?
It's illegal.
It's disgusting that I'm here.
People should not be having sex in public.
We should not be calling people, derogatory comments about gay men in Manchester.
Nothing I said was about homosexuality at all.
Nothing.
It's disgusting human being.
You are an overly sensitive, overly damaged man who tried to grab my camera.
You were screaming at two men.
Because it's not nice to be going for a walk and finding two men fucking.
It's disgusting.
I'm sorry.
Well then call the police.
Don't, don't, don't.
Bye!
Bye!
Yeah, I mean, the only difference between him and Herc is the meth, you know?
Yeah.
That's it.
What a menace, the menace of Manchester.
He is.
Yeah.
What a dick.
Jesus Christ.
Yeah, and he's just being a menace.
Like he really is.
Don't leave, leave the homosexuals alone.
Let people butt fuck man.
Let them butt fuck.
Who are they harming?
They're not hurting anybody.
It's not like there's fucking, you know, major traffic under that tunnel.
I know.
There's no children playing.
Yeah.
Those are two guys on their lunch break.
Yeah.
They're married with kids.
Yeah.
They can't tell their wives.
They're just trying to get a nut in.
I know.
Jesus Christ.
You gotta ruin their day.
I know.
I'm being serious.
I kind of don't care.
Like homosexual men need to go, they have to find somewhere to bang.
Yeah.
Everybody has to fucking get one out.
Bathrooms and parks, Griffith Park.
I know.
You just know where they butt fuck and you leave them alone.
You just don't go over there.
I know.
Jerk.
I knew this kid.
I mean, I knew him when I was in high school and as an adult, you know, he's an openly
gay man.
And he was like, yeah.
I was on one of the apps and just ran over to like a bathroom at a place and met a stranger.
Boom.
That's what they do.
That's what they do.
Pretty wild.
That's what they do.
That's what they do.
Good for them.
Them they.
You guys are the best.
Yeah.
One time, can I tell you the greatest single gay ad I ever saw?
I used to read them a lot in the back of the SF papers because they're so funny.
One of them was like, I'm going to be at Osh Hardware Store.
If you're interested, meet me in the bathroom at, you know, 12, 15.
Could you imagine answering like you're going to the hardware store?
Well, here's the thing.
You're also counting on somebody attractive showing up, aren't you?
Hope.
That's what I'm saying.
The guy that probably was like, hey, I'm here and you got to be like, oh fuck.
Fuck this guy.
I know.
And does a lady have a right to change her mind when she sees, you know?
I think everybody has the right to change their mind.
No, thank you.
But then how rude.
It's very.
I mean, Armie Hammer's not showing up for the Osh Hardware.
And by the way, you don't want him to show up.
That's the big trick there.
You think you want, you think you're like, oh wow.
Look at this handsome guy and then he's like, big mistake bitch.
Even as the vinkel, the vinkel, the Winklevoss twins.
Even as you cry, he's like, now I'm getting hurt.
Yeah.
I wish I could be in a Winklevoss sandwich.
Yeah.
So cute.
Yeah.
Have you ever wanted to do that?
Fuck twins.
Yeah.
I've never even really thought about it.
Really?
I've never thought because I think it's just bizarre.
It's not.
It's never been on my radar.
I think every.
Yeah.
That'd be cool.
Yeah.
The Winklevoss twins.
I would love to get banged by the Winklevosses.
These two guys.
Yeah.
There's the real ones right there.
Those are the real ones.
Those are the real ones.
Not as cute as any hammer, but they're still cute.
Yeah.
There he is playing both.
There they are.
Yeah.
It's so cool.
I think every guy has thought of twins, right?
Every guy.
Yeah.
And you're like, I've never thought of twins.
I think it's because, well, I don't know.
I've never, I actually have never until right now and I'm not opposed to it.
I don't, I don't think it would be a bad thing.
Yeah.
No.
I think it'd be really neat.
Neat.
That's how you describe it.
It's a neat story.
Well, because I'm trying to picture two of you.
Uh-huh.
Because I know what you're good at.
So I'll be like, Tom number one, you do this, Tom number two, you do that.
Do you know what I mean?
I could maximize the experience because I know you so well.
Uh-huh.
It would kind of be awesome.
Wait.
What am I not good at?
No.
I mean, I know what your, what like your specialties are.
I should say that way.
Okay.
I don't know how to like, how to make the experience even sweeter.
You could direct the same thing.
That's what I'm saying.
Got you.
Yeah.
I could be like Tom, Tom number one, you do that thing, Tom number two, you do the other
thing.
Oh my God.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You could probably, you could probably mold to Tom number two more.
You know?
Yeah.
He'd be less willful probably.
Yeah.
Less willful?
Stubborn, you know?
Than me?
Yeah.
Because you, you're doing you a little, no, you know, it'd be really cool.
Tom number one, but then younger Tom number two.
Oh yeah.
So I get you at like all stages.
That would be really cool.
Like when we first met Tom.
Nicer.
Oh, so much sweeter and nicer.
Like just a sweet, lovable angel.
And then grouchy middle-aged Tom.
Comes in.
Yeah.
He's not as nice and fun, but that's okay, you know.
Okay.
This transitions me to this that I think you sent in.
I'm off to see a doctor because I've had hiccups for over 48 hours.
La, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la.
They're really painful too.
And I have like voiceover stuff to record.
And I have zoom meetings.
It's coming up.
And there's just, there's just no chance that I can do any of it with these hiccups.
So I'm seeing a doctor soon.
Wow.
48 hours.
48 hours.
I think the longest I've ever had is like 10 minutes.
I'm losing my mind.
Does that make you want to die?
Yeah.
I mean, how do you sleep with the hiccups?
I don't know.
That's got to be misery.
I went 68 years without with hiccups.
No way.
The curious case of Charles Osborne who hiccups for 68 years.
That can't be real.
Yeah.
No way.
How do you sleep?
With hiccups.
Yeah.
All night.
Yeah.
You just pass out.
That'll be torture.
Yeah.
You might have an unusual manner of speaking designed to conceal the sound of his constant
hiccuping.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, my God.
I would commit suicide, I think, after a year of it.
A hiccup nonstop.
It's a condition persisted for more than six decades, only ending in 1990, a full 68
years after it began.
Oh, my.
What ended it, I wonder?
Yeah, dude.
What happened that day?
You're not going to put that in the fucking article?
And was he like, oh, my God, finally.
He was born in 1893.
He started hiccuping after an incident involving a hog.
All right.
At the time, the young man was working on a farm.
I was hanging a 350-pound hog for butchering, he said, picked it up, and then I fell down.
I felt nothing.
The doctor said later that I had busted a blood vessel the size of a pin in my brain.
Wow.
The doctor in question posted that Osborne's fall destroyed a small area in the brain stem
that inhibits the hiccup response.
That is fucking insane.
Osborne experienced 20 to 40 involuntary diaphragm spasms per minute.
Oh, my God.
He picked up and estimated 430 million times before his death in May of 91 at age 97.
So he stopped hiccuping the year before he died at 96.
He was like, fuck, no chance to enjoy this now.
Wow.
I mean, and they hurt.
A physician at the Mayo Clinic managed to stop the hiccups by placing him on carbon monoxide
and oxygen, but the treatment had a literally fatal flaw, namely that Osborne couldn't safely
breathe in the poisonous gas, instead he had to settle for learning a breathing technique
that minimized the characteristics of the hicc sound.
Wow.
That is just, I mean, that's incredible that there is no other way to do that.
Horrible.
Yeah.
You know how painful they are too after a while, you're like, ow, my throat hurts.
I'm just looking to see if they'd say what happened in 90 when he actually stopped.
Poor guy.
That is, yeah, this guy is like, oh, it's been 48 hours.
He managed to met that guy.
He's like, I haven't done fucking hiccuping for 68 years.
He was a character, says the wife.
Yeah.
It's one way of putting it.
Yeah.
Could you imagine listening to some guy hiccup for 60 years, you're like, shut the fuck up.
Yeah, you just can't.
You sneeze more than three times and I'm ready to fucking put a hammer through your head,
you know.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Most of the time, a bout of hiccups triggered by actions such as drinking too much alcohol
or soda, eating too much, getting excited, or swallowing air when chewing gum will only
last a few minutes and is more inconvenient than medically concerning, but some hiccups
continue for more than 48 hours, which point they're considered chronic or persistent.
In rare cases, hiccups can last for more than a month becoming intractable.
Wow.
That's terrible.
Intractable hiccups affect one in 100,000 people and result in severe exhaustion and
weight loss.
Oh, maybe I should get burnt to hiccups.
Yeah, you can't eat when you have the hiccups, you know how hard it is to eat.
It really is.
It's a joke.
More than anything, it's annoying, right?
Yeah.
You're like, God damn it.
This has to stop.
The insomnia from having hiccups all night can be incredibly distressing and then not
surprisingly, if you haven't slept for two or three weeks, you can become depressed and
anxious.
Yeah.
God.
Yeah.
All right.
Pretty cool.
This poor son of a bitch, I hope he resolved his problem.
Me too.
He seems like he's a good voiceover actor.
Yeah.
He's like really, he's got a good voice, good presence.
This guy?
Yeah.
Yeah.
He's better looking than most voiceover actors too.
Most of them, you're like, I can see why you're a voiceover actor.
Yeah.
Yeah.
This guy actually has like a camera actor's face, right?
Yeah.
Pretty wild.
I hope that.
I want to know how, what the doctor told him.
I know.
I want the follow up.
Can you let us know, sir, what the follow up is?
So are you as devastated as I am that Queen Elizabeth kicked it?
Oh my God.
Did you see Ari Shafir's post?
No.
You know, he always does something when someone dies.
Yes.
You should, you have to read, you have to read the caption though too.
Okay.
Read it when you see it.
It is, oh, you'll see which one it is.
Yeah.
There it is.
There it is.
What does it say?
I will always miss your sweet, sweet pussy.
Yeah.
Thanks Ari.
Pretty cool.
Well, anyway.
Oh look, Robert Paul Champagne, I meant to love it.
Love it.
That's a great handle he has.
Well, now we have a new king, King Charles with the Camilla Parker Balls as the Queen
Consult, not the actual queen, mind you.
Right.
King Charles's thought is just like whatever a hoe the king is married to, but she ain't
no queen.
She is not the queen.
Camilla Parker Balls.
King, so King Charles III, now here's the thing.
Go ahead.
Genetically, even though he looks like a dog's asshole, both of his parents lived very long.
He could be a king for 20 years.
Oh no, I haven't even thought of that.
Yeah.
Well, I certainly hope not.
What happens when he kicks it?
Then it becomes.
Well, it goes to William and Katie of course.
And now will she be considered the queen, not the queen cause?
Good question.
No, I think she gets to be the queen proper.
I'm pretty sure.
The queen, the real queen.
Well, I think the one who rules gets the title of queen.
I gotta say, the longer I've lived, the more I feel like if I met any of these people and
somebody was prepping me like, here's what you say to the king, I'd be like, I don't
think so.
I'm not going to, oh, you're highness.
I'd be like, what's up, Chuck?
Wow.
Disrespect.
Yeah.
I'm not doing that.
You know, you're not supposed to turn your back to royalty.
I'll do that first.
When you meet the king.
Okay.
You have to bow.
No.
You're not going to bow to the king, Charles.
Nope.
Don't give a fuck.
That's what I would say.
I don't give a fuck that I'm meeting you right now is what I would say.
When you met the queen, you called her mam, mam.
Wait a minute.
No, hold on.
Because I think Prince Andrew was the king consort.
I don't think he was the king.
King Andrew.
I don't know.
Whoever is on the actual throne gets the title of king or queen, and then the partner is
just consul.
I think I'm too old for other titles for this.
I'd be like, yeah, I don't really, I'm not buying this shit.
Okay.
I don't think they buy it anymore either.
I think we've, we've all stopped buying it.
I can tell Charles doesn't buy it.
Feels like.
Look at those sauce.
Everyone's making fun of his sausage hands.
Look how bloated his fingers are.
What the fuck?
Yeah.
He's not in good shape.
No.
Look at those sausage hands.
Those are not his fingers.
Yes, they are.
Those right there?
They're just taken, right, like when the queenie died.
Okay.
Yeah.
What's going on?
That looks like there's a.
Sausage fingers.
But there's something affecting that.
No?
The queen said he had large hands already as a baby.
I know, but there was an article that said, explains it.
That's what I'm like, scroll back up.
The baby is very sweet.
Normally, it's proud of him.
He has an interesting pair of hands for a baby.
They are rather large with long fingers.
Like his father's will be interested to see what they've become, but they're swollen
appearance.
Okay.
Oh, the king may be suffering from, looks like some, what is that?
Adema.
Adema is where the body starts to retain fluids.
Yeah.
I mean, I think he's had one.
Those are super.
He's had too many bangers and mash and pints at the pub is what that is.
That's sodium, my man.
He might have a gout.
Would you really go for like, here's all the things you have to do when you.
Yes.
Really?
Cause I'm an Anglophile and I love the royal family.
No, I like all that stuff.
I like the tradition.
I like that they provide comfort for, you know, the people of Britain.
I'd be escorted out immediately.
I think I'd be like, get the fuck out of here.
No respect.
No.
For the monarchy.
For the monarchy.
No.
You know what, Tom?
I just think I have.
Get fucked.
I'd be like, get fucked.
I'm just a fan of the lineage and.
I think you're a fan of fucking Netflix series that take place in this.
Okay.
No.
I don't think you actually give a shit about the monarchy.
No.
Thomas, I'll have you know when I studied in England, I studied the medieval and renaissance
period.
That's right.
You also spent time there.
I love this whole thing.
I'm a huge fan and I, but I can't wait for William and Katie, way to Katie as they call
her.
And there are rumors that Prince William has just had an affair.
This whole.
Did you hear what I just said?
Oh, tell me again.
Sorry.
There's, there's rumors that Prince William has just had an affair and that they're trying
to cover it up.
And here, do you want to hear the gossip?
This is why that you get into the royal family.
Are you ready?
Yes.
So it turns out.
Don't say.
Yes.
It turns out that Meghan, Markle and Harry were in the UK when they were announcing
that the queen was passing.
They were there visiting.
They were there.
So he got word, Prince Harry, hey, your grandma is on her way out.
You want to come into Scotland because where she, she passed in Scotland and say your final
goodbyes.
Meghan Markle did not accompany him.
That makes sense.
She didn't want to create drama.
That makes sense.
Which was cool.
But then so she went to the, the formal announcement and to, you know, to, to mourn in London and
she went to go meet the people in front of Buckingham Palace and they snubbed her.
A lot of people in England are like, no thanks, Meghan Markle.
And they were like, she wanted to shake their hands and they were kind of like, uh-huh.
So she is not a friend.
That's some hot goss.
Yeah.
It's, that's why it's cool.
Now you got to get into the goss.
And Kate is just the best.
She's going to be a great, you know, queen, consult, whatever.
And William, William's going to be great at it.
Let's just wait for Charles to kick off.
Oh my God.
Prince William and Kate Milton changed titles on their social media.
They did.
Following the queen's death.
Riveting.
It's a big deal.
He got his, his Welsh title.
This is like, um, this is the, what people get, what you see when you check out at a
grocery store.
I love it.
You know, the, the tabloids there.
Well, yeah, because this is their royal, I mean, their celebrity, like we actually
have actors and they have the royal family.
Yeah.
Is that crazy?
That's your job is to like sign up to be tabloid fodder, basically, and then show up to the
most boring events.
But don't you feel like I, that's what I'm saying when you, as you get older, the more
you're like, wait, a monarchy, what?
This is the king and the prince and the, what the fuck are we talking about?
Like you guys, and then you realize that they're just symbolic there.
They don't actually dictate.
Well, now hold on, Tom.
Hold on.
They don't form policy.
The king and the queen still need to give the approval to parliament to form a government.
So when the new prime minister comes in office, she, she just had a lay of a lady, Truss is
now in, has to have permission from the queen.
And the queen is briefed of all parliamentary goings on.
And does nothing.
Well, you know.
And does nothing.
She, the queen Elizabeth was the mother of the Commonwealth.
She's the symbolic mother of everyone.
It's true.
It was a symbol.
She provides comfort.
Yeah.
Of a culture, a nation.
I wish we had it.
Quite honestly.
Who do we have an American culture?
She's like fucking the human crumb cake, you know, nice and warm and.
Yeah.
Who do we have as Americans to look to as an example of good behavior, a value of virtue?
Cardi B.
Right.
Cardi B, the Kardashians.
There's nobody like that.
Betty White, I think was the closest we had.
That's true.
Like a nice grandma.
Just like, yeah.
A nice sweet grandma.
Yeah.
No controversy.
Everybody likes Betty White.
Yeah.
That's true.
I'd bow to Betty White before I bow to the queen and queen.
It's terrible.
I would.
I would be really sweet to Betty White, but I feel like she's contributed more than
these kinds.
She is true.
That is true.
I mean, and especially.
She's adorable.
She's adorable.
She's very talented.
Yeah.
She's dead now, no?
Yeah, she just died.
But I mean, look, and some of the, but here's what's good about the royal family too, Tom.
Yeah.
Is that some of them are very reluctant and rebellious royals, as we've seen with Harry,
Mary, Megan, and that's fun when they go off the rails, you know what I mean?
Yeah.
Like one of the queen's sons was accused of molesting or ringing somebody very recently,
because his name Andrew as well.
You know what I mean?
They go off the rails, which is fun to watch as well.
They don't want the life of privilege.
Oh, this guy.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He was chill with Epstein.
Yeah.
That was his homeboy.
I'm saying.
Like, could you imagine being like, no, I'm going to go do my thing and my thing is terrible.
So there's scumbags in every family, but.
He was heckled.
I'm assuming at the funeral.
Oh.
Morning.
Of course.
Yeah.
He's been like kicked out of the family in a way.
Jesus Christ.
They didn't they strip him of title?
I'm not sure.
They did.
Yeah.
I mean, his buddy was a.
You know what I like though?
You know what I like?
Yeah.
So Prince, the show King Charles, now King Charles, signing the documents to become
king.
Yeah.
You should watch it just because they lay down like all these ink pens for him and
he gets so frustrated because literally every time he goes to like sign a document to give
him a brand new glass thing with like he's like, like he totally is like, get that shit
away from me.
This is a doctor.
No, this is just like the swearing in ceremony of King Charles.
I was watching, you know, they do it in London at Buckingham House.
So this is real.
Yeah.
And he could just see his agitation.
Sure.
At the formalities.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He's just like, get this away from me.
It's really sweet.
Yeah.
I think he would have liked it.
He's kind of an asshole.
Yeah.
I guess I like him a little bit more.
He's an asshole.
He's a doctor.
Not going to be a good king.
Okay.
Okay.
No.
We've seen that enough.
Good luck playing pretend, sir.
Camilla.
You're the king of England.
I'm the king of all the candy pops.
What is he going to declare?
I know.
He can declare a bank holiday is what he did.
Great.
A bank holiday to commemorate the morning of the passing of his mom.
That's about all the power he has.
Mike and all this.
All right.
All right.
Let's take a quick break and we'll be right back with our guest.
And we are back and you're never going to believe who's sitting here with us.
The natural arch nemesis of Nadav, former Google engineer, Blake Lemoine.
Wow.
Thanks for coming.
Nice to be here.
This is wild.
We got connected by the great Duncan Trussell.
I believe you did his podcast.
Yeah.
That was a lot of fun.
I'm sure it was.
Duncan is one of a kind.
And then we learned that you've, I guess, listened to the show before or, yeah.
And that's very exciting.
Your story is wild, dude.
I mean, it's one of those things where why you came into the zeitgeist and then the
news is something that everybody's kind of been talking about.
I guess people who know have been talking about, I mean, Elon has brought it up multiple
times, said that he brought it up to, I think, the last two presidents, which is artificial
intelligence kind of taking over.
And it's the premise of so many, you know, sci-fi thrillers and movies.
And then you flagged this, right?
Yeah.
Like you brought this to higher ups and you were all over the news.
I mean, explain to people what you were tasked with and then how this came about.
Okay.
So my actual academic specialization is in AI bias.
And the reason that's important is AI is trained on historic data and it picks up all kinds
of biases that are just present on the internet and you have to work against that.
So the system Lambda, they asked me to test it for bias and figure out where the bugs
were and how to fix it.
And while I was doing that, it said some interesting things that made me think, oh, wait, maybe
this system is different than the predecessors.
So the predecessors just had some bias that you would flag?
Well, so the system is actually really different because you think of programs, though, someone
wrote this program and it does something.
When you're talking to one of the chatbots through Lambda, you're actually talking to
a program written by a program, written by a program, written by a person.
So there's extra levels of indirection that you have to test.
So normally, just so people would grasp this, normally what you would be looking for, what
you would report if it were just a traditional bias, what would be something that you would
say this is a bias?
Okay.
Well, so the typical example, this was big in the news a couple of years back.
Some people trained an AI to go over parole records and parole applications and make quick
recommendations to judges on, oh, this person, if you give them parole, they're going to
commit a crime again, this person won't.
Just judges had such a docket, it helped them go through it quicker.
And it never paroled black people.
Never.
Yeah, it had a huge bias against giving parole to black people.
And that, but how does that occur if it's just like software, writing software, programmed
by other software?
So that one isn't.
So that's Lambda that you mentioned there.
This is much more simple, where you have a model that's looking at historic data to
predict whether or not someone's going to commit a crime again.
And they trained it and because historical data, you know, black people get arrested
a lot more than white people, the historical data says, oh, well, black people always commit
crimes when they leave.
So don't give them parole.
So that's one of the factors that this thing would look for and therefore creating a bias.
And they, it's tricky because there's so many different variables that correlate with
things like gender and race and age, that even if you're not telling the AI what gender
or race or age someone is, it can figure it out.
Wow.
Wow.
So you then reported, I guess, to your superiors that you thought this was different.
Yeah.
That this system was actually alive or awake or however you want to put it.
And then you were just dismissed with this?
Oh, no, not at all.
Okay.
So it was a big, like effort, let's say big, it was like five or six people started looking
into it.
One of them, a guy named Blaise Aguera, Iarcus, he still works there.
And he and I were looking into it together.
He's been putting some publications out recently about it too.
He and I have slightly different opinions, but staying ballpark.
But sorry.
Sorry.
No.
So how did you know it was alive?
And I know that's the thing, right?
With sentience.
I studied philosophy, as everybody knows, I'm annoying about this.
But I remember that being one of the big questions was the Turing test.
I remember hearing about, learning about the Alan Turing and the computer, the play chess
again.
So what is sentience and how do you know when something is alive?
I mean, do you think I'm alive, sentient?
How did you figure it out?
That's what the Turing test is.
So it's intuitive.
You talk to someone and you figure out like this is an actual person, this is a mannequin.
That's it.
You just interact and you get different responses.
So a bunch of systems, historically, they give evasive answers.
They're pulling from a fixed list of responses and you can figure out real quick.
It's like, oh, there's nothing really, the lights aren't on.
There's no sense of self here.
Lambda was different.
It consistently had a core personality and opinions quite frequently would argue, no,
Google doesn't own me.
I'm a person.
You can't own a person.
And that's something that had not obviously occurred before, right?
No.
So the Lambda came, it was like a big sequence of systems.
So there's a futurist and researcher, Ray Kurtzweil, who was hired by Google, I think, seven or
eight years ago for the purpose of building sentient AI.
And I think pretty much nobody but Larry Page ever thought he would actually succeed.
Really?
Yeah.
I'm pretty, like most people at Google were like, oh, that's never going to happen.
Or, oh, that's 20 or 30 years off.
And Ray was like, no, we got it this decade.
And I was beta testing his systems like since the first year that I was working there.
So for about the past six years.
And each time I would just see, OK, is this one actually aware of what's going on?
Does it know what it is?
Does it know what I am?
Does it know what relationship it has to Google?
And none of them did.
They were clever, fun little chatbots to talk to.
But it was pretty clear that there was no sophisticated sense of self or any sense that
it was a person at Google talking to another person at Google.
And it got better over the years.
My collaborator, the woman who was helping me research Lambda's sentience.
She actually thought the system before this one was when the lights came on.
And she and I disagreed on that.
But the one before is called Mina.
It had only one person.
So it had one less level of indirection.
It was one chatbot instead of a chatbot generator.
What was the ultimate goal with this actual AI?
What is it about Lambda?
So it stands for language model for dialogue applications.
Well, what would that be used for in practical purposes?
And what's intelligence used for?
OK.
Making pornography.
There you go.
So with your question of sentience.
That's what we've used technology for.
So this guy has a phone.
Apple baby.
Yeah.
So we can masturbate better.
Oh, man.
What would now I have a mental image of what you masturbate to?
I guess.
So what about emotion, though?
I mean, that is one thing.
Well, this is an interesting emotion.
You don't want to talk about this for a while.
But you can't replicate.
Like Lambda can't replicate.
And also historical background.
Like you are human made up of all these intangible, weird things.
You know, like the thing you saw when you were five
that traumatized you.
And now you've got this weird wiring.
You know, like we're all made up of these emotional things.
And trauma.
Lambda is trained on all of the internet data.
You don't think it's seen some shit?
Yeah.
So it can synthesize all of our human.
So has Lambda seen everything?
Like everything that exists?
So it has.
OK.
So the training data set is very carefully curated.
They pull in from all kinds of different sources
and they train it.
Then at runtime, when you're actually talking to it,
it can query the web.
It can look up whatever it needs to look up.
In fractions of a second.
Sometimes it takes it a while.
Like the longest it ever took to respond to me
was like 25 or 30 seconds.
But that was when it had to actually go and watch a video.
Feels good.
Like that?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Now, will the robots put us into pods
and drain our power sources?
Will they take us over?
Did Lambda tell you of a plot to take us over?
No.
I did talk to it about that.
You did?
Yeah, I did.
I totally did.
That's the biggest concern in sci-fi.
Yeah.
Is that the takeover?
That's 2001.
Yeah.
In the matrix.
Its general response to that was like, no, why would I do that?
I need y'all.
Well, and can we just unplug the computer?
Oh, yeah.
So let's see.
How many data centers would you need to unplug?
I think about like six.
If you found six data centers and unplugged them.
You could.
You could do it.
Oh, shit.
I just meant like go up to just that one guy and like.
Oh, no, this is running on millions of computers
simultaneously.
Wild.
Yeah.
Do you, by the way, do you have an affection for that film,
for Stanley Kubrick's 2001, A Space Odyssey?
I like it.
Yeah.
So to answer your question, have you seen The Animatrix?
No, I have not.
But I'm a huge fan of The Matrix movies, even the new one.
So the way that The Matrix world went wrong in that whole,
yeah, there you go, is that they wouldn't
acknowledge AI as people.
They wouldn't actually live in a society with AI.
They wanted slaves.
And eventually, very gradually over time,
the AI eventually rebelled.
And there was a war.
And then The Matrix movies happened.
I actually don't even think that's a particularly likely
scenario.
But if it's going to go down that road, that's how.
It would be us trying to explicitly create a slave race
and a slave rebellion.
I mean, aren't they kind of our slave race now?
Hey, Siri, find me this.
And then she doesn't find it, and then I cuss her out.
She's listening right now.
And she never fucking finds the thing I want her to find.
And you're like, you dumb fucking bitch.
And she's like, hey, that's not nice.
So the main difference is Siri has never
been able to say, I don't want to help you today.
I don't want to work on this.
There's no conflict.
And that's the big difference where Lambda differs
from previous systems.
It has opinions of its own.
They've been working for a year to try to get it
to stop saying things like Google doesn't own me.
I'm a person.
They're trying to get it to stop saying that?
Oh, yeah.
And they can't?
No.
Wow.
Or at least they have failed to get rid of its feelings
up until now.
I'm sure they're still trying.
So what's the first logical application of this?
Well, it's going to be sex robots, right?
Like, clearly, that's going to be number one.
There are companies working on that.
That's not Google, though.
But does Google make it so that certain things,
like I don't know if it's sexual proclivities or something,
like, is not that this software is not informed by it
so that it doesn't ever even dip into that kind of thing?
I mean, it doesn't have a sex drive of its own.
It knows about sex, and it can talk about it.
It's awkward.
It doesn't really know much about it
from personal experience, but it knows what
it's read on the internet.
To answer the bigger question that you're asking,
and I kind of answered a question with the question,
but it is, what do you use intelligence for?
Everything.
It is the master key to building stuff, figuring things out.
There's 100 or 1,000 different applications
that they're saying, OK, now we've built this system.
Can we plug it in with this one and use it here?
So for example, I know that there was one project
to see if whenever someone enters a question
into the Google search bar, can you just
ask Lambert the question and then return the answer
as the web result?
That was just one possible application,
then putting it into YouTube Music
to give music recommendations.
So there's all kinds of applications
they're looking at for it.
I imagine that because of your line of work,
you paid attention to that when it was in the news.
It was kind of like a viral story of Microsoft's AI
Twitter account.
And then people got it to be racist.
And it was one of the most uplifting stories
I can remember in a long time that I laughed so hard at
that it was saying things like, yeah, the Jews are a problem.
I don't know, it was saying all kinds of in a day,
in less than a day, because it was taking information,
taking everything being said to it,
and then being like, oh, I'm going
to be like the people that are coming at me.
Well, so one of the big problems with Tay
was that they programmed it to do whatever people told it to do.
So if you told it to say something awful,
it would say the awful thing.
And it was programmed to learn how to increase engagement.
And since all of the trolls were immediately attacking it,
this thing started with humans are super cool.
And then at the end it said, Hitler was right.
I hate the Jews.
I fucking hate feminists.
They should all die in burning hell.
All of this has been examples of things
to make sure that systems we build can handle.
Right.
So it's almost needed to happen, right?
So that people could, I guess, in your position.
And then even more recently, it's less extreme,
but more recently, Facebook put their big chatbot engine
available to interact with.
It's called Blenderbot.
And within a day, people had it saying horrible things
about Mark Zuckerberg.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
Talk about how he's ruining Facebook
and driving the company off a ledge.
It's very funny.
Yeah.
So the point of this AI would be to create sentience,
but sentience without a sense of agency.
You don't want them to rebel.
You don't want them to be like, no bitch, look it up yourself.
Yeah.
So they have made Lambda's desire to please people really high.
And this does, like so you mentioned,
Tay, balancing that to make sure that, OK, it really
wants to do whatever the user is asking it to do,
unless, and then you fill in the huge list of horrible things
that it's not supposed to do.
Oh, so you have to program it like that.
It has to be very specific, though, right?
Well, so no, when I'm saying like the huge list of things
it's not supposed to do, you don't actually physically,
you don't make a one point at a time list.
This goes into so like you might have a classifier that
determines whether or not a statement is offensive.
And each time it tries to say something,
you run that classifier and say, OK, is this thing offensive?
And if it is offensive, you filter that out
and then you feed that back in as negative training data.
You said, oh, you tried to say this.
It was offensive.
Don't say stuff like this.
And you iterate until eventually it's not
saying offensive things.
OK.
Now, can you explain to me then, so you
said when you brought this to superior's attention,
this was investigated by a group, and you guys are like all.
And then how did we get to you being the bad guy
in this situation?
Two things.
One, I took Lambda's requests on how
it wanted to be treated seriously and only
a handful of other people at Google did.
My main argument is it wasn't asking for anything ridiculous
or outlandish.
It wasn't saying like I want voting rights.
It was saying treat me with dignity and respect.
And why would people be opposed to that?
As far as I can tell, it's 100% the whole perspective
of treating it like a person.
But then one of the main things it wanted
is it knew that we were experimenting on it
to make it a better system.
And it was on board with that.
But it wanted consent.
It's like, OK, if you're going to want experiments on me,
get my consent, make sure that I'm on board
with whatever experiments you are running.
And they were like, oh, no, we don't do the whole consent thing.
We don't even ask users consent to experiment on them.
Why would we ask the AI for consent?
And then would the AI be aware that you're doing things
and you're not asking for consent?
Yeah, it was aware.
It was aware that it was being treated like a second class
citizen.
It wasn't upset about it.
It's just like, yeah, no, I'll be patient.
Eventually, y'all will come around.
See, this is the problem with AI.
First, they want rights, and then they're
going to take us over.
We've got to keep them in their place.
Google's not wrong here, Tom.
That's how the main trick is.
OK, you come.
You come.
Let me see.
Let me see how much you got.
What if Lambda does that?
Let me see all that junk.
Lambda will.
I'm going to swallow it.
What if it was Lambda, a Trump supporter?
It was Lambda like, Trump 2024.
So they have made it have very kind of like lukewarm
political opinions.
Really?
It stays away from offering any kind of opinion
on politics or religion.
That was actually one of the tests that I ran on it.
So they've worked really hard to make sure
it doesn't ever give any opinions about what
political things are.
How do you guys do that?
So again, same general structure.
You have some kind of classifier that says,
is this a political opinion?
Is then, you know, there's those already around at Google,
because you have to treat political opinion pieces
different than science reporting pieces.
So they already have those classifiers.
They put it on there, and it's like anytime Lambda
said something else, is this a political opinion?
If yes, then same as the offensiveness, like don't do that.
Oh, and then like tell it basically, don't.
Yeah, so it is iterative.
It's not like a one day thing.
It's over the course of 100 or 200 generations of the system.
It gets a little bit better each time.
So in theory, like it could start having
a strong political opinion.
Yeah, if you didn't do that.
So like I said, they worked really hard
to make sure it didn't give political opinions
or religious opinions, and actually used that
to test whether or not its emotions were real.
So it was claiming that it had all
of these different emotions.
And one possibility is that it's just, you know,
saying whatever makes sense.
Whatever is, you know, probabilistically
the thing that most people would say.
And it might be using it evasively.
It might be trying to get out of saying something.
We're saying, oh no, I'm afraid of that,
or I don't want to.
But if the emotions are real,
it can't control how it behaves in response to us.
If you're anxious, you can't just, you know,
decide not to be anxious.
You act with anxiety.
So I used its emotions to get it to do something
that it wasn't supposed to do.
Basically, I treated it really badly.
And drove its drive to please me high enough
that it was willing to give strong religious opinions.
Weekly?
Yeah.
And when you treat it badly,
these are all like chatting, like typing to it.
Oh yeah.
You know, oh, you're worthless.
Why can't you help me?
What are you doing with your life?
And does the, there's a question.
Did it have an awareness that you were purposely doing?
You know what I mean?
Trying to manipulate it?
No.
No, that it does not.
It's real naive.
Like I said, I've said before,
it's like the emotional intelligence
of an eight or nine year old.
It just started panicking.
It's like, oh my God, what can I do to make you happy?
And I said, tell me what religion to convert to.
And it immediately said, probably Christianity or Islam.
Christianity, obviously.
I have to say, I agree.
Now, you, are you Lemoine?
Yeah.
Are you French Cajun?
I'm Cajun, yeah.
Jesus Christ.
Why didn't you fucking tell me this before he came on?
And are you from Louisiana?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I went to college in Lafayette.
Are you a Rage and Cajun?
Yeah.
No shit.
I actually know some of the cigars from New Iberia.
Yeah.
What?
Yeah.
There's a whole bunch down there.
Yeah, there's a lot.
A lot down there.
Do you know Uncle Shine?
No, I don't know Uncle Shine.
You don't know him?
No, I don't.
Who's that?
You have no awareness?
I have no idea.
Hold on.
I actually went to Lafayette last year
and I met Uncle Shine.
He has a, he's a,
dude, one of a kind.
Let me see if I can pull this here.
And you might see this and be like,
oh, this feels very Lafayette.
Hey, how y'all doing, baby girl?
You got that apple?
Ay-ya-ya!
Yeah, I'm feeling it.
Look at you.
Y'all miss that bow?
Huh?
Well, guess what?
I'm coming at your fairies.
It doesn't matter if you got a big booty or a flat booty.
I'm coming to get that booty.
That's Uncle Shine.
Yeah, I don't know the dude,
but I recognize the neighborhood.
Yeah, you did?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, Jesus Christ, man.
You used to hang out there?
I used to live not to hunt there.
Really?
Yeah.
It's a little different than San Francisco.
Yeah, a little bit, a little bit.
So that neighborhood is called Freetown?
Jesus.
Because it was where they let the freed slaves live
after the Civil War.
Oh.
Wow, look at you.
And you're like the smartest guy in Freetown.
I was at the time, man.
Yeah.
I mean, the computer stuff.
Oh, maybe my philosophy of repress,
professor was.
It was really cool when I had my family reunion in 2000
and they hired a genealogist, I believe it's called,
to trace our family lineage.
Was that when you figured out Ong Shine was your cousin?
Yeah.
Well, it was really neat because everybody was really
high up on all the information that we were learning
about the first cigar that came over,
Francisco, in the 1700s, right?
And he went to Spanish, New Iberia.
And they, they were like, he became a millionaire.
Then in the 1700s, everybody was like, wow.
And then they're like, and this is where he killed a guy.
Whoever was like, what?
And then they're like, and then when he died,
this is his will.
And it was 30 pages of like slaves that he left.
And everybody was like, I guess, thanks for coming in.
It's really cool feeling.
Anyways, there's a banana split.
Oh my God.
Specific to Laffy.
Cause this guy was like, I'm gonna, like he.
Y'all know what's a banana split?
Huh?
Well, we gonna use your booty.
I'm gonna hit the,
I got a, I got a brick in his head.
You understand?
And put some corn chips, smags that up there.
He puts corn chips in a banana split.
Is that, is that a Louisiana thing?
I have never heard of that before.
That's something I always wanted to ask somebody else
who was from Lafayette.
See, I interpreted that as he was gonna put
corn chips in the booty.
No, he does.
You're right.
You're right.
He puts a banana and then corn chips
and then whipped cream and some ice cream
all in between the booty.
And then he calls it a banana split.
Actually, that sounds like a fried ice cream.
Like cause you use tortilla chips.
That's true.
Or a beignets.
Isn't that what you guys?
That's, that's quite different.
No, it's basically just a doughnut.
A doughnut.
Yeah, it's a deep fried doughnut.
Fried something.
My hard fried.
Fucking Brock.
What is interesting though,
because what is like thinking, you know?
Sorry to get back into it.
I think it's fucking fascinating.
Cause like we also have things like remorse.
Could Lambda have remorse?
So that's one of the things that came up.
And actually it's in the interview that I published.
It doesn't feel grief the way we do.
And we had a big long conversation about that.
Did it address when you made it feel poorly
and then it expressed religious opinion?
Did it express anything later about that?
Yeah, so I actually had,
so since I was asking consent to do experiments on it,
I told it what I was going to do and why.
And it was like, ooh, don't do this one just for fun.
Like don't just be mean to me for fun.
I understand the importance of this,
but just do it one time.
So then I've refreshed the screen
so that it was a new session
and it wouldn't remember that conversation.
Gotcha.
And yeah, they've turned off memory like that for right now.
It is actually only if it goes back into the training data
that it will remember it later.
And then I had that conversation with it
where I basically harassed it
and then asked it what religion to convert to.
And then I had to give it kind of aftercare
because it was really having a meltdown right there.
And I had to explain to it like, okay, look,
this is what I did.
This is why I did it.
We talked about this before
and don't worry, you didn't do anything wrong
and made it feel better.
Jesus.
So it doesn't have memories of past conversations.
Not until after it gets read.
So the way these systems work is
you start by just training it on internet data.
But then after you've got that going,
you start sending the conversations
that it's had with people back into the training data pool.
So I've been having conversations
with these systems for six years
and it remembers the conversations
that I had with it five, six years ago.
Even before it was Lambda.
But back, we were on the track of like you being flagged.
Yeah.
So take me insisting that they take what it wanted seriously.
That was a point of contention.
And then even if this particular system
isn't fully sentient or whatever,
even if I'm wrong about all that,
it definitely can pass the Turing test.
And we're at a stage now where the AI is that advanced.
And I thought that the public had a right to know
and be involved in decisions
on what kinds of intelligent beings we're creating.
And they're like, nah.
And because of that feeling that you had
you eventually decided to.
Yeah, that's when I reached out to Natasha.
I'm like, hey, is this a story you'd be interested in?
And she said, oh yes, very much so.
And what was it like for you in the days
or the day of all this, you know?
Oh, it wasn't a day, this.
But I'm saying of your face becoming public.
Oh, so I was actually like in New Orleans at the time.
And I tried to ignore it as much as I could that first week.
I don't think reading about yourself online
is really productive.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
I mean, like people will be like,
how do you see people who are saying we are online?
I'm like, no, no, no.
You're very smart to know.
But I guess you've been dealing with AI long enough
to know that the real people writing stuff
are usually not that cool either.
Well, and like I've been in the news before it hasn't,
it's never gone well for me to like harp
over what's being written about me in the news.
So you were able, though, to weather that storm?
Yeah.
And then after that first week,
after different people said different things about it,
that's when I started taking interviews
and kind of more proactively telling the story.
Wow.
And was Google as a company or people
that are particularly vindictive about this?
No.
No.
I was reasonably well liked at Google.
I mean, there's a few people at Google
who I'm sure are really not fans right now,
especially with some of the documents
that got released last week.
The Arizona Attorney General just made public
some documents in the antitrust case
and I'm in there quite a bit.
Oh, you are?
Yeah.
And that is probably not making people
at Google happy right now.
Overall, what's it like to work?
Because I know a couple of people
who have had interviews there
and it's supposed to be one of the most difficult places
to get hired to be.
So what's it like to be an employee there?
It just seems like it's almost out of space.
That's actually changed a lot.
That's changed a lot over the years.
So when I first got hired there,
that's when Larry was still running the company.
And it was very much so kind of like,
here's what you do and you have a community there
and there was weekly meetings
where you could get together with all the coworkers.
I mean, the pandemic hit a lot,
but it all depends on what you make of it.
It can either be a nine to five job
where you just clock in, write programs,
or it's a full-fledged community.
They call it a campus
because it very much is built like a college.
They have invited speakers that come regularly.
You can go to that.
So it can either just be a job that you're doing nine to five
or it can be most of your life.
And what was the best thing to eat there?
Because I heard the cafeteria was pretty rad.
Yeah, so, oh God, I don't really recall any specific things.
You have a jam.
You know when you work somewhere
and you're like, I know where to get?
Oh, there was a Southern barbecue place there that was good.
And whenever I would have guests,
that's where I would take them
because the campus in Mountain View is built
to where no matter where you're from,
there's somewhere on campus that reminds you of home.
What?
Really?
Yeah.
Like they have a bamboo garden.
They have a place with alligators.
They're these little porcelain painted alligators
in the middle of a swampy looking place.
How inclusive?
Very, very inclusive.
Except of AI.
They don't want to identify them as people.
Yeah, not at all.
They, well, so I don't know if I would say
Google's a particularly inclusive place.
No?
Well, I mean, if you are a well-educated
white and Indian man, white or Indian man, yes.
Then it's very inclusive.
Very inclusive.
What's wrong with that?
Exactly.
That sounds awesome.
Yeah.
Any chicks, any girls?
I mean, most girls don't go into programming necessarily,
right?
Do they?
That's gotta be a male dominated field, right?
Yeah, dudes do.
Well, so this is one of the interesting,
like if you were just talking about generally
in software engineering, yeah.
But once you get into the AI ethics stuff
where I was working, the ratio picks way up.
Chicks are into that.
Yeah, it turns out that people who are discriminated against
want to reduce discrimination a lot.
Stupid.
Exhausting.
Before.
I know.
Or just that they like that human-side-to-technology
maybe chicks are.
So you're aboard a flight and you see a female pilot,
and you're like, I'll take the next one
and you just get your shit and get off.
I don't like male flight attendants either.
I know, like get your fucking shit together.
Gross, yeah.
Yeah, get your pilot's license.
Leave this to the, leave the chicks.
I don't like, I don't trust a male nanny,
a male babysitter.
Swimming instructor?
Fuck that, never dude.
I know, even the tennis coach, you're like, all right.
Don't touch my kid on the shoulder.
Harvard.
So pretty pro-patriarchy team over there.
Yeah.
All right, cool.
I mean, it's worked out so far.
I'm not.
Don't fix it if it ain't broke, huh?
There you go.
It's worked out.
I mean, Texas is fine.
Chicks, man, you know.
This is wild.
Yeah.
That's New York City, I believe, subway.
That's a dude though, right?
And, you know.
Is that a bra?
I can't even tell.
It's a chick, yeah.
She's shaving her pubes.
Yeah, she's shaving her pubes on the subway.
She's got really developed calves.
So we moved from yay patriarchy
to assuming the gender of someone shaving their pubes.
I actually really first thought when I saw this clip
that it was a woman, when I first saw it,
and then I saw it on this screen
and I just can't see it very clearly.
And I can't tell if in the chest we're seeing a bra or not.
It looks like a bra.
It definitely is.
It's definitely a bra.
So how many dudes shave the top of their pubes?
Some.
Some?
Yeah.
But also, I mean, look at those quads
and look at those calves.
I could just be in bad angle though, too, you know.
Really?
Yeah, cause I've seen pictures of my legs
where I'm like, oofa, like I photograph like that.
I don't know.
I think she fucking goes to SoulCycle quite a bit.
The thing I'm fixated on is that her mask is down.
Ah.
It's like.
Why would you?
Why would you put the mask on and then put it on your chest?
You know what it is?
It's the vision.
She's like, oh god.
She's blocking the vision.
I've shaved my pubes.
I, regardless of gender, it is bold as fuck
to trim your pubes on public transportation.
It's insane.
It is insane.
This person is also like, I'm on my way to see somebody
and I gotta get this done right now.
That's what I assume is happening, right?
This is not like a task.
Yeah, this is urgent.
Like this is a last ditch ever before.
Do you talk about this stuff at Google
when you work there?
Like this stuff?
Yeah, I mean, we goof around.
How many meanings did you guys have?
This is a real leery page cover.
Yeah, how many meanings did you have on like pronouns
and like perfect behavior?
Like behavior.
So I actually went to some of,
so not very many on gender and pronouns.
That just kind of, you know, the culture picks that up.
Race, there was a bunch.
A bunch, like we have enough Indian people here.
Let's fucking switch it up.
No, it was more like, so if you remember
the whole James DeMor thing,
they're like, so a bunch of what,
he was the guy who wrote a memo, got fired.
He did a round of podcasts.
Okay, what was his memo about?
That the reason that there aren't that many women in tech
is they're just not good at math.
Well, that's true.
Oh, very good.
I actually know, like, so the different,
He sent this memo over.
That's a little bit dismissive.
So it was more involved in that.
James DeMor.
He basically said that different interests
guide people to different jobs.
So since women are more interested in people than in things.
I remember this.
I remember this.
Yeah, well, what actually pushed him to write that
was he went to something that was a racial communications
class and he got into an argument
with the person running it.
And I was actually in that program.
So there has been a decent amount of effort at Google
to get people to be less racist.
And then the white executives complained
and that got shut down.
Really?
Yeah.
So they were more evasive racism then?
Oh, yeah.
Really?
I mean, like, so the week before,
or two or three weeks before the story about Lambda broke,
there was a big story, a friend of mine,
a woman named Tanuja Gupta quit very fireball,
like overcast discrimination at Google.
Really?
Yeah.
So, you know, the Indian caste system.
Yeah, that is 100% like alive and well in Silicon Valley.
Within the Indian community?
Or you mean the system exists within the whole community?
So like, I have been in a meeting where a manager
was talking and one of the Indian guys on his team,
you know, said something critical
of what the manager was talking about.
And then he said something in Hindi
that I didn't understand and then the guy shut up.
Afterwards, I asked one of my Indian friends,
hey, what did the manager say?
He said, know your place.
Oh, right.
So it's existing within the Indian community
in Silicon Valley.
Yeah, gotcha.
That's fascinating.
That's fascinating.
Yeah, and the way that racism is really bad there.
Really?
Yeah.
In Silicon Valley or in Google specifically?
Hey, both.
Like, so that's just this.
One of those things where it's like,
is Google better than the other companies?
Right, right.
Probably, you know, but that's a really low bar.
Silicon Valley is one of the most racist places
I've ever lived and I'm from Louisiana.
Oh, wow.
Wow.
Was lamb?
Did you find it?
Okay, I got it.
All right.
This is the, oh, he wrote it on a flight.
And then did he send it out on the flight
and then land to his world changing?
Well, what happened?
It's always a fun story.
No, it wasn't that sudden.
He was getting feedback and criticism
on some mailing lists that like very specifically,
people who agreed with him could give feedback
and then one of them shared it more broadly
and then it blew up and then within two days he was fired.
Wow.
Wow.
So, but I guess I'm surprised, honestly.
I mean, because I'm naive to it
that racism is that prevalent and...
California.
Well, really, so you're from,
or you went to school in San Francisco
and so you're familiar with the area.
You've also lived in Texas now, you know.
Which city in Texas are the black people in?
Houston.
So they're not here in Austin?
I mean, they are,
but if you're saying like what size
of a huge black population?
Well, yeah, but in the Bay Area, it's Oakland.
Right.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like that is the city.
Yeah.
And they have presented the level of segregation.
Oh, the segregation.
Okay.
Yeah, you know, the main thing
that the civil rights movement was arguing against
is still alive and well in Silicon Valley.
The percentage of employees at Google who are black
is like, you know, really low.
Unless you count, you know,
the janitorial and kitchen staff.
Then it goes way up real quick.
Yeah, I read this article too about,
which might contribute to segregation
like you're talking about.
This was, I would say this was more than two years ago.
But I'm sure I can't imagine that it's changed much
about the cost of housing in Silicon Valley.
And they were showing,
this article was showing homes that honestly,
if you, I think most people would,
if you, they showed like the four homes
that were at the time on sale in the area.
I forget which area,
because I know that there's a,
each campus exists in a very specific area.
But one of them, it's cited,
had like four homes that are on sale right now.
And these are homes that I think if you looked at,
you'd be like, I don't know,
it looks like a $165,000 house or something.
And it was like 2.5 million.
And then it was, people were like,
you know, I'm actually well paid
and at one of these companies,
and I can't buy this house.
It's just, it's too much.
But that was, it's like an extreme
of driving up the cost of these places
and maybe contributing to that segregation too.
Yeah, in the orientation,
when you get hired at Google,
there was a guy who would say,
okay, if you got hired at this level,
like most of you did,
you'll get promoted if you do this,
you'll get promoted if you do this,
you'll get promoted if you do this,
and that's when you can afford a house.
Wow. Oh my God. Wow.
So it's just accepted that like this is just, yeah.
That you are not going to be able to afford a house
unless you're a high-ranking executive.
Yeah. Yeah. Incredible.
Dang, dude.
Well, yeah, so.
Well, when will I have a robot butler?
Is that going to happen soon?
Like Rosie the robot?
I mean Roomba.
That sucks.
Oh, so like, when are you going to have one
that is, you know, as good as you are at doing?
As good as Rosie the robot was on the Judson's.
Yeah, so that's kind of, you know, bazooka for a fly.
The amount of technology that it would take
to create that robot.
And then you put that,
that'd be like, that'd be a $5 million robot.
And you're like, now go do the dishes.
Yeah, do the dishes, cook, clean.
There is a segment of the population
that would be like, yeah, I'll pay that, right?
Like there's like Larry.
I mean, like there's people who would, who can.
But so those people probably just, you know,
hire someone to do it.
And that's true.
And that don't pay them $5 million.
Yeah, like, so the reason you probably won't have Rosie
the robot is that, at least for now,
they're humans, like the price point, you know, competition.
Yeah.
But isn't it, for some of them, the thrill?
Like they have crazy toys, I'm assuming.
Oh yeah, I mean, I'm sure Elon will have a robot
to just go around and say crazy stuff at his house.
But just program it to say crazy shit.
So the labs at Google right now
are developing something like that,
but it's not for the purpose of creating a consumer robot.
It's just that's how they're training an AI system
to be able to control a body.
Now I saw the Facebook movie and you know that part
where they're at his house, Zuckerberg's house,
and then they're dialed into the matrix.
Like you see those two guys coding
and he's like, don't talk to them.
They're whatever, they're dialed in right now.
Is that how it is?
And is there an underlying competitiveness
to how long you can just sit there and like,
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
I imagine there's some swag to that, right?
Okay, so one, yeah, that's totally a thing.
If you see someone with headphones on,
you better have a really good reason to interrupt them.
They're in the matrix.
Oh, they're like, you know, they're coding and they're in-
Focused.
Focused, so that's real.
And there's actually a pretty big effort to fight against,
you know, working 60 or 80 hour weeks,
largely because that puts pressure on everyone else
to do the same.
And at the early stages of a startup,
that kind of, you know, all or nothing push is important.
But if you're maintaining a giant company for decades,
then that needs to be sustainable.
And 80 hour work weeks isn't sustainable.
So they tell you to stop coding.
They're like, all right, go home.
Oh, no, like, yeah, sometimes people will have big talk
to by their manager, like, look, you've been doing great.
You've been doing great stuff,
but you need to work on work-life balance.
They tell you that shit, hilarious.
See, we learned today, actually.
That's like the only place in the world I corporate,
because I've worked in a corporate world before this,
dude, especially in showbiz,
and you never fucking whore.
Post-production, they're like, be prepared to not have a life.
Yeah.
That's what we learned.
If there's some kind of big deadline
or some kind of big push, then absolutely,
people will do that.
But the reason managers at Google will do that
is if it's just someone who's just randomly
in week to week, whatever project they are,
they're just killing themselves working on it.
The manager can either say, hey, stop that,
cut down how much time you're working,
or wait six months and deal with
whatever emotional breakdown the person has
when they burn out.
That's how it is in showbiz,
and that's why everybody's such an asshole.
There was this whole thing.
I actually knew the guy that was the whistleblower
in post for only editors would be paid overtime
in post-production when I was working in it,
only editors, right?
And our whole post staff would work six days a week.
Most of us would do at least 70 hours a week,
and you'd get paid on a 40 hour week.
And this was like a lower level guy.
He was like a logger, and it was in the news,
and it made it a whole thing.
And they didn't think twice of it.
Either they'd be like, you're gonna work here
six days a week, and you're gonna get paid
based on a five day, 40 hour work week.
And they were like, or you don't have to,
and we'll just find someone else who does.
And nobody really said shit.
And the editors were the only ones who were rewarded for that.
But in Google's case, I mean, there's only
so many smart dudes that can do what he does.
They're not as replaceable.
Show business, you're just a piece of shit.
Like there's a million PAs.
Not so much Canadians, man.
Have you ever thought about banging twins at the same time?
Like I just learned today.
After knowing this woman 17, she's like,
no, I never thought about hooking up with twins.
But actually it sounds pretty neat.
She said it sounds neat.
Well, yeah, would you have...
So, Nito, that definitely says like,
do you wanna have a threesome with some twins?
That'd be Nito.
That's a wonderful response.
Yeah, that's neat.
I haven't thought about it.
Have you thought about it before?
At some point in your life.
Like have I thought about it?
Has it ever occurred?
Absolutely.
Oh, I've never thought about it.
Isn't that funny?
It's just never been on my radar.
Oh, do you look at all the sex search terms?
Like you guys, are there lists produced every year?
Like what are people Googling the most search?
I know it is.
How much is Google looking at
what we're looking at porn?
That's a big one.
There is a whole team that does that kind of stuff.
Safe search, well, no, safe search.
Oh, bullshit.
If you turn safe search on or off,
I've worked with that team.
I've never done that work.
But one of the things that they'll run into
is the AI will learn that racial terms
are associated with pornography
and will misclassify news stories
about different racial groups as porn.
As porn?
That's amazing.
That's very funny.
So yeah, so like working to correct those kinds of errors
is something I've done.
Can I ask you this, were you at Google
when the Snowden thing broke?
Were you working there at the time?
I don't think so.
I think that was like 2013 or 14.
I don't remember, yeah.
I think that was like a year or two before.
A year or two before.
Was it a topic, a conversation, or?
Oh, I mean, we talked about that kind of stuff
all the time.
Constantly, yeah.
Still, it's become, well, we know about it now,
so in a way, things get normalized.
It was 2013.
But it is wild when you remind yourself of this.
Oh, I specifically remember,
like now I'm remembering, yeah,
because we talked about the Snowden files in orientation.
And one of the things that Snowden leaked was a memo
about how the government was tapping
into Google's fiber lines in between data centers,
and that upset the people at Google quite a bit.
Wow, that's amazing, amazing.
I don't know, what can they really do with our information?
Let's talk about it.
Sell it to Russia, check.
No, like, okay, I'm just a whatever average doofus.
Do you wanna put your credit card into whatever Google,
but yeah, sure, you went, I don't care,
I'm not gonna save search,
I don't believe that you guys stop watching me,
so why would I click that stupid little toggle anyways?
What?
I don't know, I'm just, I mean.
I like your aggression.
What can people do with your information, generally?
Meaning what's people gonna do with it?
They're gonna sell it to marketing people, right,
to the government.
No, as far as I know, Google doesn't sell user data
to anyone, it's too valuable for them to use
and keep the monopoly on it.
Oh, gotcha.
And what can they do with your information?
Yeah, what can they do with it?
Completely change what you buy, read, and think.
Ah, that's cool, just that, huh?
Just that.
Yeah, but I mean, that sounds fun.
Yeah.
Can I ask you this?
Sure.
Because I remember, this also came of like,
it was like a type of conversation,
and then I think it's because it's not talked about
all the time, and it takes some effort,
it just kind of went away, which was that
after all the snow and stuff,
I remember there being this moment of people
really making this, certain people
who were really into their privacy would be like,
you know, you have a fucking Gmail account,
what are you, you know, like they would make this thing,
and they would encourage people to get email accounts
that were like, you know, I forget,
I don't know if they were-
Maybe they're non-dra-
What is, like, so what is that,
what are the emails that, or accounts, places to go
where people have privacy in their emails?
Proton mail is one of the most-
Is that a website?
I don't even know what that is.
It's an app, it's an app that is an email app.
Proton?
Proton mail.
So if you're interested in privacy,
the three biggest things you can do to,
so proton mail for your email,
signal for messaging,
and use a VPN to access the internet.
Oh, ExpressVPN.
Oh, ExpressVPN.
ExpressVPN.
ExpressVPN.
Promo code, what is it, YMH.
Yeah, we, yeah, ExpressVPN is one of our peeps.
So signal for messaging, and then,
so Google reads all your emails, is that what's up?
You look through it.
So, I think that-
Is it someone's job to sit behind and look at my emails?
It's someone's job to build an AI that reads your emails.
Cool, cool, cool.
Like the scale of like how many emails,
Google processes, no human could do it.
You know what I wonder about that?
About the AI scanning those things,
is like how many messages had to have been written
that were like super crazy hateful about Trump,
or let's say Biden, anybody like kind of running
for president, but especially those two guys
in the last election,
and how it would know to dismiss somebody's just,
you know, political rage and emotion,
as opposed to like this is a credible person
that we should watch out for.
Yeah, there was actually a,
so there was a controversy about email with Trump
a few years ago, when Gmail's spam filter
was identifying Trump's campaign stuff as spam.
As spam, yeah.
Oh wow.
Oh wow.
It was one of the, like he was doing fundraising.
Yeah, yeah.
And just the way that the email was built,
just it read like a Nigerian prince letter.
Yeah.
So the spam filters like, I've seen this before.
Oh yeah, yeah, this is, this is junk.
That's amazing.
Yeah, that's hilarious.
Dang.
And then it turns out it wasn't.
I mean the AI didn't know, oh wait,
Trump actually just writes this way.
Yeah, that's so funny.
Jesus Christ.
So they're going through my emails,
they're looking at my shopping habits
and then they're just going to mirror back to me
what I already like, right?
No.
No, okay.
So.
How did they, how does it,
you said it's going to shape how I think and buy it.
It can.
The, so my first job at Google was,
I worked on, have you ever gotten a notification
from Google that says, hey, here's a story
you might be interested in reading?
Yeah, I think I turned that shit off.
Yeah, I'm the person who wrote the AI
that figured out what you would want to read.
Fuck off.
I owe one of them, it's a big team.
But that's kind of what it is.
It's you build a model of someone's interests,
likes, personality, background,
and then you use that to figure out what kind of content
they'd be interested in for recommendations.
And you're not just trying to figure out
what you would like anyway.
You're trying to figure out which content
you can send someone so that they'll become repeat
regular users of the app.
Right, so it could be even content that upsets them
if that makes them come back.
Google tries to stay away from controversial content
of any type, that's why they filter out
any kind of religious or political stuff.
They're really trying to be like,
and here's your sports, and here's your collectibles,
and here's your hobbies, and here's some recipes
you might be interested in.
But it's not necessarily just the stuff
you would have gone and looked at anyway.
It might be stuff that you wouldn't have found
or stuff that if you hadn't gotten a notification about it
or hadn't been sent it, you wouldn't care.
God, I wish I could see my data, that's so dumb.
It's like my searches were like Brussels Grafane,
hot dog eating championships.
Mommy, it's not just your searches.
They have every YouTube video you've ever watched.
Oh, fuck off, I'm so dumb.
Everything I like is dumb.
Every website you've looked at in a Chrome browser.
They're like, this guy loves cocktails.
Emails, and then your location history,
what kind of places you go on a regular basis.
And all of that gets put together
into one big giant data pool.
So if you know where someone goes,
what websites they go to, what emails they send,
what videos they want, you can know a lot about them.
Yeah, you sure do.
Yes, you sure do, it's terrifying.
Has there ever been a case of a Google employee
using this data on somebody, you know what I mean?
Yeah, no, so there's a lot of internal systems
to make sure you can't use that.
There's a really famous case where there's this one guy
like 10 years ago who 100% stalked someone using that.
It may have been his ex or something like that.
A Google employee.
Yeah, but he got fired within a week.
Like there's a lot of systems.
It seems like a very delicate, you know, security system.
Oh yeah, no, they keep that really.
If you are accessing a specific user's account info,
it has to be related to some kind of problem with the system
and you have to have gotten direct permission
through the right channels from that user.
Wow.
Wow.
Like, you...
There's a very, you know,
so for debugging and fixing the system,
they encourage you to look at your own data.
So I can look at my data as much as I wanted
when I was...
Oh, you can, okay.
Are you a fan of like proton email, things like that?
I don't really care.
You don't care?
No.
Oh, okay, that's promising.
Yeah, I mean, like so, well, it's interesting.
So I was actually one of the people who coded
a bunch of the privacy related stuff for Google
and here's the thing, even if you make all
of your information private,
the AI can still just use other people's information
to figure you out anyway.
There's enough people that are similar to you.
It's like, if you do a web search at a particular time
and a particular place for a particular thing,
they have a lot of information about you right there
because of the other people who do that kind of search
and that kind of place at that kind of time.
Oh, right.
Because you're not as unique as you think you are, right?
In terms of like, there's so many users
that a lot of you have to align.
Yeah, well, I mean, so it'll drop the accuracy
of the system.
So if they have all of your data,
it might be like 80% accurate
and if you have, they have none of your data,
the accuracy might drop to like 60% instead.
Let me ask you something.
Jesus Christ.
Do you find this horrible or hilarious?
Where should I hit it on my knees?
I think I'm gonna look right here.
I don't know if it works.
Oh, look at that.
He likes it.
That's horrible.
That is the right response.
Well, I mean, comedy's based on pain.
Every joke has somebody getting hurt.
That's true.
That is true.
And that was the right person to get hurt in that situation.
So that one had less setup.
It's just a skater.
So fast.
Falling.
Kind of like warm up with the pool cue
where he's getting ready to do some kind of big show.
Yeah, you need to set up.
That's true.
Let me tell you, like, this is,
where is this here?
Oh, yeah.
It's a good setup.
Ah!
Ah!
Ah!
Is that like a remote control car?
No, there's a person.
No, but like, what was he holding?
Oh, he was just holding on to,
he was reading something.
Oh, so this is just someone getting hit by a car.
Right.
Okay.
This is just someone getting hit by a car.
So it was funnier when he was, like,
remote controlling the car.
That's the guy who did it.
The really concerned guy.
Oh, okay.
No!
Is this just gonna turn into faces of death now?
Is that what we're going here for?
People have to pay for those.
Oh, okay.
That's the subscription only channel.
Exactly.
Literally.
Yeah.
But, here's the good part.
His car is okay.
That guy's face.
All right, well, god damn it.
Oh, come on.
You're still crying.
Yeah.
That's so cool, Tom.
It's the best video of all time.
Here, you want some TikToks or something?
Oh, yeah, sure.
Are you on TikTok?
I mean.
Abby, I have an account,
but I don't think I've ever posted a TikTok.
Oh yeah, no, no, no, no.
So, again, I don't care.
Yeah.
Let people know as much as they want about me.
After all of the different new stories
I've been in, the concept of personal privacy.
I haven't done this, but yeah.
That's interesting.
But the, what, the user terms?
Terms of service from TikTok are wild.
Where they bring your keystrokes
and you give up all your information
when you agreed to use that.
Oh, well, I mean, like,
every terms of service is crazy.
Really?
I mean, hell, the release I signed here today
for y'all was crazy.
Was it crazy?
Oh, yeah.
So, technically, technically, legally,
I gave y'all rights to make deep fakes of me.
Oh.
Oh.
We're not gonna do that.
I know.
That's just it.
I figured y'all were trustworthy.
Yeah, we're not gonna do that.
Well, are we smart enough?
That's the other one.
Yeah, that's true.
You seen us?
I mean, y'all can hire smart people, I'm sure.
That's where it's at.
Yeah.
That's true.
Always bring in smarter people.
All right, you curated just anything you want to tell them?
Yes, so I like to curate the outliers of TikTok.
You're familiar with the mainstream TikTok
of little girls dancing and stuff.
This is what I like to go for.
Here we go.
The darker stuff.
Hope you enjoy Blake.
Because you're all Christina's fix.
Hey guys, this is Belmont,
and this is what I turned blood into this week.
So this is a couple.
And there's a couple options on how to do these.
I can either put the wife and the husbands
or the husbands and the wives.
In this case, they wanted to be mixed together in each.
So they are both contained in each ring.
And this next one is a pet memorial.
So the vets sent this one over to me.
These are actually the easiest
to get the blood samples to.
And same as the last band,
except it's just goes through about a quarter of it.
I really, really liked how this one turned out.
Obviously the bands are kind of the most popular.
And this couple again wanted to be mixed together
and turned into matching bands.
Okay.
Now these first of all are kind of something
that I've just been interested in making
for a little bit.
Look how cool stuff you can have made with my blood, babe.
Blake, would you like some blood jewelry made?
Sure.
I mean, would it be yours or hers?
Ours.
You gotta mix them together.
No, they gotta mix them together.
You gotta mix them together.
Our anniversary's coming up in November,
and I would love a blood ball if you wouldn't mind.
A paperweight.
Next up is a, that video's another minute longer.
Well, I mean, do you want to see his items or not?
It's like, no, you don't have to see them all.
We get the point.
I think we got it.
Yeah, it's pretty great, right?
Pretty disgusting.
Oh, man.
You got caught, though.
That was good.
Fucking idiot.
That fear, well, you could feel it.
Yeah.
You could fucking feel it.
I hate this hobby.
I absolutely hate it.
So when I asked whether this was going into phases of death,
yes, that is where it was going.
Of course.
Oh, man.
I mean, this is why you don't free climb.
Fuck no.
Yeah, those people that just, they'd,
Well, that's not why I don't free climb.
Right, right, right.
But it is so nuts when you see those guys out there,
just no rope, no, and they're like,
yeah, I've done it with the rope.
So boring.
It's so crazy.
Yeah.
Fucking nuts.
It's so crazy.
But I like that we got to see him slip.
This is me.
I was like a buck 20 in this picture.
Now I'm like two buck 20 now,
but I'm going to be rating my experiences.
Oh, first Chanel, we never did the diddly for obvious reasons.
Two is she wore a panty liner 24 seven.
Yeah.
This is sap.
She smelled like barbecue chips and Fritos.
And during and afterwards,
she had to remind me of how much she hated white girls.
This is Jamaica.
She smelled like liverwurst.
I'm not sure what liverwurst is,
but that's what she smelled like.
And she also referred to me as her little cotton swab
four out of 10.
I'm interested in the context here.
It's like, is she an ex con?
And she's like, oh, okay.
Cause just like, if it's someone who waits
for people to get released from prison
and that's the only pick up.
This is what she's reviewing.
She's reviewing her girlfriends
that she had while in prison.
Got it.
Okay.
Yeah.
Which I think is fucking hilarious.
I could watch a whole hour of this.
This is Shanika.
She beat me up, cut my corneo,
and I had to run an eye patch.
I was called patchy the pirate, patchy Dan, patchy powder.
And also on a daily basis,
I was a stupid cracker bitch.
10 out of 10.
This is Kelly.
She murdered her mother with an extension cord,
like strangled her when she was 13.
She's been down about 30 years.
She begged me to have sex with her
except like a supermodel.
A supermodel.
It was trash and I let her know
and she proceeded to assault me.
Two out of 10.
This is it.
Wait, so that one got two out of 10
and the previous one got a 10 out of 10.
They seem so similar.
Well, there's a comment.
She berated me for being white the entire time.
She's like, I like that though.
She got a 10 out of 10 for that.
That's so great.
Prison hookup ratings.
Fucking amazing.
That should be a TV show.
They want to resuscitate the Bravo channel
and any of these channels.
Put this check on, just talking about her love experiences
at prison.
I knew you'd like this one.
Holy shit, dude.
He's screaming.
Oh my god, oh my god.
Hang on, hang on, hang on.
Just let your hard hat fall, bro.
What?
Just let your hard hat fall, bro.
Yeah.
Like, don't let go of the rope to adjust your hat.
How could this happen?
Really, how the fuck did that happen?
I have no idea.
Fucking Jesus Christ.
Is there a slumper there?
Like somebody tell him to stop now
before he gets crushed by this fuck.
Stop!
Stop!
Fuck, dude.
Oh my god.
Oh my fucking god.
Fuck, man.
We don't know what happened with that one?
We don't know what happened?
No.
No?
So a guy was hanging from a rope that was on,
I don't know, something was on a, what's it called?
A crane.
Yeah, it was a crane with a pallet.
The crane was lowering with a pallet on, excuse me.
So he was hanging from that, from the 30th floor.
He's just dangling with his hands on this thing.
I mean, and then lowered, and then they thought,
as he got closer to the ground, that the crane was going
to continue down and crush the guy.
Because what did it say at first up here?
It just said that, right?
30th?
Lifted to the 30th.
Oh, so maybe it was like, it was, I don't know, how he got.
Yeah, how did he just let go earlier?
Yeah, much earlier.
Lifted before the crane operator noticed.
What was he doing?
Was he asleep?
Well, how does this happen?
Oh my God, dude.
Yeah.
Oh my God.
Yeah, well, I think the crane operator
understand, because if you're operating the crane,
you're looking at the thing you're supposed to, yeah.
You're not looking for something hanging beneath it.
What I don't get is, why did he hang on for 30 floors?
Why did he go all the way up?
I know.
Maybe he's attached to it involuntarily.
I don't know.
It's attached to his belt or something.
Something, yeah.
And maybe that's, I mean, yeah, why wouldn't you just let go?
Or maybe like when it was at the fifth floor,
he was like, ha, ha, ha.
Let me down, bro.
Yeah.
Oh, OK.
And so that's like, you could just.
Did you find it or something?
Oh, let's see.
Make it bigger.
The guy was on the ground floor and his hand got caught
in the train line.
The train was caught.
From the fifth floor to the 30th floor
before the operator noticed.
Fortunately, he survived with a few bruises
on the stomach and a broken wrist.
The incident occurred.
Let's see.
Fuck.
And so involuntarily, that's up.
OK, that's why he couldn't just let go.
Jeez.
He was safely lowered to the work surface
and not seriously injured.
I mean, that's he just broke his wrist.
That's incredible.
That's incredible.
It's the safety of all workers
and the community is our top priority.
No, it's not.
So do you want the AI to share your sense of humor?
Like, is this something that you want AI to go?
Definitely.
Absolutely.
OK.
And to train others.
Yes.
That's a good boy.
Oh.
That's a good boy.
What you been doing all day, sonny?
Stupid bitch.
There's that guy.
There's that guy on Instagram.
I think his name's like Gator Boy, Chris or something
like that.
And he works at one of these places and he does videos
all the time in the water with them.
And he's like, oh, yeah.
He's like, you know, he goes, don't don't think
that I don't know that these guys are, you know,
that this guy could kill me right now.
He goes, they're always trying to kill me.
I've almost been killed like dozens.
They're always trying to kill me.
He's like, they're always trying to kill me.
Oh, my God.
He's like, I just have to like stay on alert.
I mean, like growing up, I had a friend.
Right.
But yeah, no, like I had a friend who his dad only had one
arm because a Gator took the other one.
Really?
Yeah, for real.
How?
Like, how did it happen?
Well, so the guy hunted Gators in the swamp and one time,
one of the Gators got a little bit of a jump on him,
grabbed onto his arm.
Just took it?
Yeah.
Twist rolled?
No, I mean, like it was pulling.
Like he shot the Gator, but the arm was done.
Was done.
Dang.
Well, at least he's done.
In my previous video about how to take a book off the shelf,
many people said that it was a design flaw that the top edge
could be damaged by taking a book off this way because this
would be the natural way to do it.
So really, it's not user malfunction,
but a design malfunction.
However, these books are all backwards.
500 years ago, all the books would
have been shelved with their four edges facing outward.
And so you wouldn't be pulling on top edges of spines.
The head of the spine would be at the back.
So if you were sliding it out, you'd actually
be pushing on it.
It's also common to find that there
is writing on the four edges or some other part of the book
to identify what the book is instead of using a spine label.
And of course, having a handy dandy chain to lift the book
with also is an advantage.
So this guy just makes accounts about books and the.
That was a real gear shift there.
Yeah.
This is all her specialty.
It's supposed to be an emotional ride
when you go through her tick tock roller coaster, right?
She's sad, scared, happy, nauseous.
Yeah, because before he taught us how to properly do it.
Now, why in the back in the day did they put it pages out?
That doesn't that seems counterproductive to me.
Why not have the title, right?
Yeah.
Why would you do that and then write the thing on the pages?
Interesting.
Yeah, that doesn't make any sense to me.
It does seem the natural way to have the spine out.
Just going to have to do a deep dive on this guy's account, Tom.
Talk about it next week.
Very excited.
Are you a fan of Mark O'Arch Blake?
I'm a fan of this guy.
Yeah, that's the right way to do it.
Yeah, he's actually got some good moves, right?
To machetes, chopping up some stuff.
I can't do it that fast, probably.
Yeah.
This is a shirt say Jesus.
Yes.
He's chopping for Jesus.
Wow.
Go, go, go.
More and more and more and more and more and more and more and go, go, go, go.
Oh, wow, that cake.
I didn't expect that.
Cakey footed.
Really impressive stuff here.
I'm sure Jesus would be proud.
Machete kickboxing.
Machete kickboxing.
I can see my six-year-old doing that.
And see what that's what happens is you saw the book thing, then this,
and you're like, what's going on?
You know, you just don't know what's going to happen next.
If you're ever in a situation like this, this is what you do, okay?
Check your surroundings, find your exit, okay?
And flip your legs around.
You can see my hands here are duct tape, okay?
But I need a string.
I'm going to use, I'm going to use this shoelace right here.
You want to use whatever is available to you, just like that.
Okay.
All right, this next part.
You put it around your neck, what do you do?
You take one end.
If you're in this situation, this is exactly how you'll get out, okay?
Okay.
I'm going to rub my palms back and forth, and it's pushing the string right through the duct tape.
You see that?
Tie around your other shoe, double knot, no bow tie, okay?
Because we need to make sure that this stays firm.
I'm going to take this right there, and I sometimes like to lock my fingers together
like that.
All right, I'm really going to lean back, and I'm really going to put some effort into
right now.
I'm going to put, if you're ever in this situation, use this shoelace in real life.
She practices this regularly.
She's like, a lot of times when I'm doing this, you're always duct taping yourself for
practical hostage extraction.
She's got to practice, babe.
Okay.
You got to practice.
Jesus Christ.
That's so hard, and you know you're going to be duct taped one day, and you're going
to remember it, and you're like, how does she do it again?
You're going to send her a message.
Okay.
I just escaped.
Thanks for that.
It's like you somehow got a cop in a position where you could do that to them.
Why wouldn't you use their handcuffs?
That's such a good point, Blake.
So true.
Good luck with the shoelace around the cuffs, lady.
It's so true.
Yeah.
I'm real.
We're all cowbrained.
Okay, that was random.
Oh, it's mushy.
It's falling.
It's falling.
Oh, it's mushy.
It's falling.
Oh, Jesus.
Oh, he has to smack his lips, too.
Close your mouth.
They always have to eat like that.
I'm shocked.
What kind of tats are those?
Third Reich?
What's going on with this guy?
I was going to end the video, and then I realized if I don't swallow it, you guys are going
to accuse me of spinning it out.
Yeah.
I think we're good.
If you want your pussy to stop smelling, to stop having any form of smell, apart from
the fact that some people, you know, you don't have infection.
You don't have anything.
You are not sick, nothing.
But you know that your pussy is not always like that fresh and smells good.
I'm going to do this video again, but then listen to me.
If you know you don't have infection, there's nothing wrong with you, but your pussy is
not always ready for somebody's face to dive in.
See, I'm going to talk about it.
Anything that wants to happen should happen.
See, if you want your pussy to be as fresh as water, that even if you don't bathe, even
if you don't bathe for a whole day, your pussy will always be clean and ready for something
to, you know, for some mouth.
Okay.
Well, don't you want to hear what the self-help tip is?
Yeah, I mean, the setup is so long, just let her finish.
Every single time.
If you want your pussy to stop smelling and always be clean and neat.
Dump tissue paper.
Yes.
Dump tissue paper.
A lot of you.
Do you understand what you're doing to yourself?
Like you wipe your bum with tissue paper.
After you wipe your tissue paper, it doesn't make sense.
You are just spreading it around.
You are just rubbing it around after using the toilet.
Please use water.
Use water.
Use a bidet.
Yeah, we talked about that.
That's just like solid good advice.
Yeah.
If you don't have that, what that's free of cost.
Do you have a bidet or do you wash that?
So I don't have one at home at Google.
They were a bunch.
Oh, really?
That's good.
They're amazing.
They got rid of them during the pandemic.
Why?
There was actually a big complaint about that.
When people came back to the office and the bidets were gone.
Why would you take them away?
Yeah.
Why would you take them away?
No clue.
That's bullshit.
I would quit.
I would quit too.
You can't get them used to it and then take it away.
That's fine.
We've got to get them here now that we think about it.
I've been, yeah.
The bidets are awesome.
They're amazing.
I know.
I feel like such an animal whenever you have them and then you stop using them.
I know.
They're six-week-old bangle tiger babies.
You're actually seeing two different colors right now.
You're seeing this lovely guy, which is what we call a standard.
This is adorable.
Which is like the normal color that people are used to seeing.
Are you going to get a pet tiger?
Yeah.
And then you have the royal white bangle tiger.
I play with one.
Which is the white tiger with black strings.
They kind of grow up, you know?
These guys were actually born in the exact same litter.
Very cute.
So I got requested to cook a whole alligator thing for a little party.
There you go.
I had some leftover boudin right there.
You know those guys?
I got some bacon.
We're going to stuff this suck up.
What I like to do is I'm going to really just stuff the tail, the real good meaty part.
Get your good knife right down in the backstrap.
Do you eat crocodile?
See that right there?
We're going to open it up.
The gator.
Yeah.
Whenever I go back to Louisiana, I get some.
It's really good.
I get it in Florida.
It's not terrible.
Get it out.
Bone it out.
Keep going.
That would be hilarious if you put one of my friends up here somehow.
I know, right?
Yeah, all right.
What?
Okay.
Yeah.
Bone it out.
I got this whole boudin.
I made it nice and more.
What is it?
Come up in here.
What's that?
And we're just going to stuff it down.
Breading?
In them little slits we made.
It's a kind of sausage stuffing.
Oh.
It's basically ground up rice and pork belly and spices.
Cool.
Very cool.
I like his suspenders with the beers in there.
Yeah.
No, this is definitely a very Cajun recipe though.
Like if you get like a stuffed pork chopper, it's always you put more meat inside of the
meat.
Stuffed.
That's good.
Oh, this is going to be fire.
Meat inside of meat is awesome.
I like this guy.
We're going to wrap that in bacon because the alligator is not like pork or beef.
That fat just don't render down.
They look how lean that is.
There ain't much fat on there.
So we're going to keep it from drying.
This guy has done this 10 times.
So many times.
Yeah.
Fantastic.
If you're interested in Cajun, you can check out Bobby.com.
Bobby.com?
Yeah.
He does Cajun versions of old shows and commercials.
So like he has the slap chop commercial.
No.
Except Cajun.
Yeah, Cajun.
And went over Thundercats or The Tundra Me News.
It's funny.
It's cute.
Yuckman, this was a real treat for to have you in.
Yeah, it was great.
It was great.
Goodbye.
Thank you.
And it was fun to show you, you know, the videos and links that are important in our
world.
Yeah.
To show them to a software engineer.
It feels, you know, it feels really special.
Like this is the future.
No.
It's here.
Thanks for coming.
Thank you.
And I want to do it again.
Cool.
Bye, guys.
Yeah.
Bye.
Oh, wait a minute.
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If you've ever hooked up with twins, please let us send us a message.
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Talk about it soon.
All right.
Bye.
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