Your Transformation Station - 132. Psychological Capital: The Hidden Driver of Performance

Episode Date: February 24, 2024

Psychological capital explains why some people sustain confidence, motivation, and performance over time. In this episode, Gregory Favazza speaks with Lindsay Tsang about self-efficacy, reflection, and how past achievement builds future capability. The conversation focuses on clear, challenging, and measurable goals supported by consistent daily habits—not short bursts of motivation—showing how confidence is built through structure, execution, and learning over time. Topics • psychological capital and performance • self-efficacy and confidence • goal clarity and measurement • daily habits vs motivation cycles • learning goals and long-term growth Outline (00:00) Visionary leadership and strategic direction (11:39) Building confidence through goal setting (18:04) Setting and sustaining challenging goals (29:56) Learning goals and adaptability (43:14) Personal growth and purpose Links Lindsay Tsanghttps://www.lindsaytsang.comhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/lindsaytsang PODCAST INFO: Podcast website: ⁠⁠https://www.ytsthepodcast.com⁠⁠ Apple Podcasts: ⁠⁠https://www.ytsthepodcast.com/apple⁠⁠ Spotify: ⁠⁠https://www.ytsthepodcast.com/spotify⁠⁠ RSS: ⁠⁠https://www.ytsthepodcast.com/rss⁠⁠ YouTube: ⁠⁠https://www.ytsthepodcast.com/youtube⁠⁠ SUPPORT & CONNECT: - Facebook: ⁠⁠https://www.ytsthepodcast.com/facebook⁠⁠ - Instagram: ⁠⁠https://www.ytsthepodcast.com/instagram⁠⁠ - TikTok: ⁠⁠https://www.ytsthepodcast.com/tiktok⁠⁠ - Twitter: ⁠⁠https://www.ytsthepodcast.com/x⁠⁠ - Pinterest: ⁠⁠https://www.ytsthepodcast.com/pinterest⁠⁠ - Linkedin: ⁠⁠https://www.ytsthepodcast.com/linkedin⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Are we looking at with people that think about for just this example of starting a podcast? Oh, that sounds so cool. You know, let's do it. Like, I'll do whatever it takes. And then they can't get themselves started because the idea behind it, I mean, their why is not strong enough to carry them through the how. Is that where you're referring to or is there something else behind that? You're listening to a podcast that encourages you to embrace your vulnerabilities and authentic self. This is your transformation station, and this is your host, Greg Favaza.

It's Lynn. It's Lindsey Sang. Lindsay Sang? Yes. Okay. I want to make sure. Do people give you shit for your name? Yeah, they do, actually.

I figured, you know, like, I was in the Army. Like, there's always, like, somebody commenting something on my last name. And it pissed me off, but it was always Farva. I don't know if you ever seen Super Troopers, but they would call me that. I'm like, it's fucking Favaza, you jackass. Yeah. Yeah, no, I usually get like, oh, like, my name is like, hey, this is for Lindsay. And they're like, you're not Lindsay.

I'm like, yeah, I am. Yeah, that's all good, man. Like, I want to just put it out there in the open. It's like, yeah, this guy definitely gets shit. want to say something so then our audience knows what's going on here when I put your name out there so it's it's all all organic you know kumaya kind of who knows I'm just saying random shit so you're passionate about visionary leadership and strategic planning like tell me about tell me what a transformation executive coach does well I mean if you look at

here's the way I put it what I want to do is how people become happy at what they do as a leader and also be effective at what they do as a leader. So you really can't be one way out of the other, right? You can be a very, you know, effective leader that's not happy and that's not going to last long. And it's the same the other way around. So when we're looking at transformation, of course, we're looking for, we're going from A to B, right? Yes. So, I mean, that's completely, at least from the one-on-one coaching sense, it's going to be completely dependent on the need of the client.

So we could be flexible in that way. But yeah, more or less, I am trying to develop leaders to become better leaders so that they create happier and more effective workstaces. Interesting. Let me use myself as an example to kind of kick things off a little bit and allow our listeners to resign from this rather than the opposite. Right now, I feel like I'm stuck. Like, I feel like every day I'm getting better.

and better, but I've gone nowhere. And it's the weirdest feeling that I have inside. And I'm sure somebody's listening can relate to this. What would you tell me to start implementing or what I should look at versus what I'm looking at now? Okay. Can you give me more details about, you know, what you're feeling stuck in? Yeah.

So I've been doing this podcast gig for about almost four years now. and just started to make money off of it. I've learned everything there is to know. I've had over 128 episodes released. I was featured on Apple Podcasts top 2007 countries at one period of time. And business news and science, it's great. I was a veteran, did five and a half years, and got my bachelor's degree in organizational leadership.

And what am I doing? Like, I feel like every day is the same no matter what I do. Is this like something you deal with when you hit age 33 or something? Like, I don't know. Yeah. I mean, I think that, you know, I mean, the first question I would have is basically what's the purpose, right? Like, what are you? What's the vision?

Yes. So, I mean, the vision is, it doesn't align with what it used to. to align with. I mean, there's minor kinks in the adjustment, but it was to, I mean, to grow this show into something and to its effect many people as I can. I don't care people, like, if I become famous or not, I don't, I don't care about that. What I care about is continuing on this, this healthy feeling I get inside when I was a sergeant in the military. I had soldiers below me, And when I was their mentor, their dietitian, their therapist, it felt so good to be needed 24-7. I'm like, yes, I will guide you my guys.

I will be there no matter what. You get a DUI, I will be there to bitch out the cop. But I'm also going to bitch you out. And then your ass is going to get fucked up for the next, like, however long this stuff's going to do it. But it's like, I don't know, like, does it go, does it get bigger? Does it change into a different form? I just feel like everything's the same. Nothing's happening.

Okay. I mean, I think, okay, so here's, well, I want to put it this way, right? The psychological definition of hope is knowing what the end goal is and the goal path I have towards it. Right. So when I have, when that's getting hazy, when I don't know what my end goal is or how I'm supposed to get there, that's when I would score lower on hope. And that's why I would feel like, yeah, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm. just posting, right? I don't know, I don't know what that angle is. So that's where, you know, there needs to be a little bit more clarity on what this is for. You know, you're doing this

podcast. So it wasn't, what's the, what's the angle? It was for me. I mean, to be a public speaker because I want to do my own TEDx one day and to share what I've been through because I know it could help a lot of men that have gone through what I have gone through, especially veterans, but also single fathers as well. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, so it's become a speaker. Yes, but definitely I need, I got to pay the bills too. I mean, single father, so I got to start bringing in income.

And it's starting to do this, but it's still not quite there. And that's where I, every day feels a little more hazy. Like, thank you. You gave me what I was looking for as far as trying to create this dialogue here. Right. Yeah. So what's your ideas? What are you going to do to get towards income producing?

You know, what's for your desk for speaking for your podcast, right? I mean, like, dude, the ideas, like, it could, it, it ranges from, I'm very adaptable. Like, I, I, I self-taught myself everything there is to know. And then I got, there's, like, potential opportunities for me to help other podcast hosts to help them. But then it's like, now do I want to sit on the side and watch that go by and do people's work, which I can do a fantastic job. But no, like, I did it because I needed to get outside my comfort zone, not to become an expert in creating PNG images that are optimized for SEO and just, I don't know. Well, you know, I'm just curious, right, because you want to be a speaker. Like, are you doing that right now? Are you speaking?

I mean, right now you and I are having a conversation? No. Right. I mean, to me, that takes money, that takes time, and then the time that I already have is devoted to this. Now, what do I do? Do I just stop doing this and go towards my passion? Well, I mean, if speaking and making money through speaking is what you're looking for, right, then you need to figure out if this podcasting that's going to lead you to that, right? I mean, it might be one of the steps because it's giving you some credibility in an audience, right? So when you capture that, we turn it into speaking, right? So yeah.

Yeah. So that's kind of, you know, when you ask the question, like, what is a transformational maybe if a coach does, is you're trying to make this a clearer vision. And once you have a clearer vision, then you need to start putting up priorities and implementation towards that, right? So I guess we're demonstrating that. kind of, this kind of conversation where I'm just asking you sharp questions in making you, because I can come in, and this is what consultants do, right?

Consultants come into an organization and they say, okay, so based on the research, we use a market research, we look around, these are our recommendations, this is what you ought to do, right? And that would be slightly different than what coaching does. Coaching is saying, hey, listen, you're the expert. you know what you want and you probably have really good ideas in fact if i give you ideas you might not act on the main reason so i need to ask you a sharp question so that you are the one that's coming up with the right ideas to move towards yes okay so then this brings me to the next question this is going to be a thinker

this moment that i'm explaining to you where i feel like every day is the same yes i need clarity but what if it's possible that I'm avoiding this uncertainty to reach this maxed version of what or whom I'm supposed to be? And that's where I'm afraid to take that step versus just creating these excuses and back rationalizing. No, that's not what I need to do. This is what I need to do. But I'm completely avoiding the path that's been set or I have created to its entire. at this mere moment me explaining this.

Yeah. Okay. So we are now touching into some positive psychology realms there. One of the topics I talk about

is how to develop the hero within, right? The H-E-R-O. Which is, so just to give you some background, a lot of this

I'm learning through my PhD in organizational psychology. Bitching, dude. That is awesome. That's literally, I mean, if I were to go to master's route, that literally is going to be the next thing. So that's the other opportunity.

And so, so, you know, I'm not just pulling this stuff out of thin air. This is well-researched evidence back stuff, right? So we talked about the whole part already, which is the H part of Heo. Right. And so what we know about these four different states, their hope, efficacy, resilience, and optimism. Okay. is that when you combine them together, they're a higher predictor of positive outcomes

than when you just take one out of the other ones. So they're very interlinked with each other. Another really cool thing about them is that you can develop them. So they're not traits of a person, which are usually, you know, if there's a personality trait, you're going to be pretty much the same throughout your life

because you're wired between them. But in terms of the psychological capital, you can actually develop it. There's states, right? they can go high, they can go low depending on your situation, but you can work on making them better. So that's what's really neat about them. So you can develop your hope by clarifying your vision, clarifying your goal task, right? Now, it's hard to, you know, still implement though, if you have low efficacy and low efficacy is my confidence, right?

The belief that if I put energy towards something, that a positive outcome will come out of it, right? Yes. And so when that, when that is low, you are going to procrastinate. Yep. Right. Yeah. And so here's the deal with developing confidence, though, at least in, you know, in the psychological world.

There's three, maybe more than three, but there's three well-known ways that are researched for doing that. first one is to do social learning. So, you know, this is old stuff. Like when you watch somebody do something, you start imitating them. All right. Okay. So that one is, you know, it just means that you're surrounding yourself with

speakers who are making a lot of money, right? Just so I can say in another way, this social learning is pretty much direct and indirect observation. Yeah, you learn by osmosis, but you should ask them, right? But you find speakers who are making money and you say, what are you doing, right? What am I missing? What am I, what should I do? Right. And that would also help you down that track, right?

The second thing, and this is more for internal, right, is that I need to find evidences of my capabilities. So you can write down a list, right? You can journal about that. What have I done that I've achieved? You know, like you just started listening to me about your achievements with the podcast, right? So I know that you have the ability to apply yourself, right? Definitely, definitely. Right?

Or to see a vision and push yourself through a couple years of it. So you have staying power, right? And you need to find that evidence from other people who know you as well, right? Or people who've seen you speak, right? So you need to find those people and say, can you endorse me? Can you remind me that I'm good at this? That's very true. Yeah.

And that's another way to increase your kind of confidence in it. And the final and the most important way to increase confidence is to set challenging goals and achieving. So, I mean, we don't have to get into it, but we can know, goal setting theory is the oddest theory out there for motivation. And I think it goes beyond just setting smart goals, but that's just one aspect of Yes. If we can go deeper into it, I would like that for myself. So they would like that for them. Yeah, sure. Okay. So, I mean, you can look this up on the internet, right? So that you can, you know, backtrack when you heard it once and you're like, that's really cool. I want to fly that.

Goal setting theory is, you know, there's five elements of really good goal setting. First one we already touched on is clarity of, right? So smart goals, most people know what that is, right? you have to have a time down goal. There's a beginning and an end. It has to be quantifiable. Like, can I say I've actually achieved it? Right. So those are, you know, when you have some of those elements and you're much more likely

to go and do that thing, right? The second thing would be that it has to be challenging. And so over and over again in the studies, it would show that when you set an easy goal, that people do less. They're less productive than you set. challenging goals. So challenging goals propel people. It focuses down. How would you justify what is challenging? I'm thinking of like a flow state where we're challenged of 4% above our capabilities. So are you referring to that or like the hardest thing you can think of,

but you know you can do it. You're going to fucking try. And if you fail, then you do it again. And to you like more we got to go deeper than that. Yeah. I mean, you can always back to. I mean, these are flexible, so you can rework the goals when you realize, man, this is, this is maybe too hard, right? Then I need to switch back. But I would say, put it this way, right? Like, hmm. Okay, so I had a client once who, who said, you know, he wanted to have a podcast. So he, you know, then I said, all right, let's work on the daily, you know, habits, right? We're going to make this a daily thing. And those are good advice, you know.

But it didn't work for him. He couldn't get into it. And so I said, let's switch this up, right? For this short period of time, for, you know, what would make it super hard for you, I want to challenge you instead of religion. Right. And so that actually propelled him to do something more than just like, let's do easy, but do, you know.

I think for long-term consistency, you do need to have those consistent and smaller goals that are, that you can pump out, right? But if that's not motivating you, then you got to set a sprint, right? And that would actually push you forward, at least for that shoulder seat. So are we looking at with people that think about for just this example of starting a podcast? Oh, that sounds so cool, you know, let's do it. Like, I'll do whatever it takes. And then they can't get themselves started because the idea behind it, I mean, their why is not strong enough to carry them through the how.

Is that where you're referring to or is there something else behind that? No, no. So, I mean, I agree with you. I think the why it won't have staying power. But I'm talking about getting you even started to get moving to or something. If it's too easy at a goal, you know, it doesn't challenge me. It doesn't make me excited about it. But when I'm like, yeah, man, I'm going to pound out, you know,

I was doing 100 videos in 100 days, right, for social media. Yeah. And, you know, it's a scary, you know, undertaking and it's going to push him. But he was, like, so committed to it because of how challenging it is, right? So it feels like big challenge, big reward kind of thing, right? Like I said, it's not sustainable to, you know, be all 100%, you know, super challenging all the time. So you might want to mix that seasons for it where you're like, okay, this was more of a steady season, but I'm gearing myself up and I'm going to choose one season where I'm just going to do a huge sprint. And I'm going to do something that's super challenging for me.

I'm going to push myself. So that's more likely to push someone to follow goals than an easy goal. Okay. So that's the only step two, right? That's only two or five elements. Okay, so third one is your commitment, right? What is my commitment to my goal? So you need to set a higher commitment

And there's different ways to do that, right? I mean, like, I think one of the easiest ways to set of that, right? So, like, I'm just thinking of when I was younger, my friend and I were swimming. We were playing all sorts of challenges to each other. Like, oh, you know, swim down and see how far you can push that bar, you know, before you come back down time, how long we can hold our breaths, right? Oh, yeah. And it was all fun in games until we were like, I bet you 50 cents.

that I can do this longer than you, right? Then we super, like, then we were pushing the limits, right? So the putting, putting some kind of, you know, reward or loss or, or, you know, pride, you know, can increase, increase your commitment. That's just one of the ways, right? Social commitment for sure, right? If you let or hold, you know, you put it out in the, you know, social media world that I'm going to do this much by this time, keep me accountable or watch me do it.

Then you're going to probably want to do it because now you've made a promise that you want to fulfill them, right? So that's not a way to increase your commitment. The fourth thing is feedback. So you need to have some form of feedback loops that you are moving along your goal. And that's pretty easy most of the time, especially while it's tracking stuff we have, right? Yeah, like, you know. So when you're thinking feedback, Luke, are we talking about my own internal thought process because it can be like a fucking roller coaster?

Oh, you're doing great, great. No, you're not. Why are you still asleep? Get the fuck up. Yeah. I mean, let's put it this way, right? Let's say you put your quarterly rules for, you know, I want to, now I've been doing this in terms of being a guest, right?

So it's like, okay, so I want to be on. you know, four to six podcasts per month. So that means this many within the three months. Okay. So that's that's what people would call it KPI, right? That's the key performance indicator is an outcome. Oh yeah. So people use another thing called the okayR, right? So these are these are the objectives. These are these are the process goals, right? So the process goal for me is that I need to send out two emails per day to pitch to people to get on their show, right? Yes.

So, but I like when you're talking organizational leadership to me. It's getting me excited just so you know. Yeah. So, but that, those, those numbers, though, I can track. I can, I can tell you clearly, if I was planning to do 60 of those emails in the next two, three months, right? I can tell you week by week how close I'm moving towards that progress. So if I'm recording that, then I'm having a feedback. Okay.

So what if, okay, let's say we got the healthy habits down. We can do the smart goals and we got the healthy habits and we're doing the work. But I don't want to lane on disengagement because it's not that. I mean, this is not autopilot kind of work. I mean, utilizing your creative mind to create content and to stimulate something engaging to get people to follow to listen is a lot of work. but I feel like there's something that I don't know if I should be cultivating a higher thought process of like I see myself as a king. I don't know why I'm going to say this, but it's just coming to my head right now. I was actually listening to the laws of 48 power on Audible.

So it kind of just like having this like thought process as like of what a king would see himself through the crowd. And I'm delivering this to my people. This is the mindset I need to have because a king will recognize opportunities for his community for the village or the castle, whatever it will be. And having this like persona is what's going to allow me to recognize opportunities, but see a bigger picture than what I'm just looking at as short-terminism versus reality. Hmm. Well, I don't know, you know, I haven't heard of that perspective before. Yeah, and I just pulled it out of my ass like right now. Right, right, right, right. This idea of visioning yourself as this like benefactor, I don't know.

Yeah. I mean, when I hear that, I'm connecting it to mission, right? So it's like what is the, you know, what's the, what's the, you know, the thing that sets me apart, right? What are the three things that I'm unique at? That when I combine them together, it makes me something special that I can use to bring people. Right. And that's not easy to come by. I think that takes a little bit of time to kind of take out.

Like, I'm just thinking for myself, right? Like I, up to this point for my coaching, I've been using other people's material, right? Okay. Which is fine. I can totally use that because they're well thought through. and they can help someone get them A to D, which is what I need to do anyways, right? Yeah. But what's going to set me apart from everyone else is if I have my own uniqueness, right?

And that's where I'm starting to pull together. Well, you know, I'm a therapist. That's my background. So I have stories from there. I have my PhD in an in Invitational Psychology. I really thrive on positive psychology and leadership models, right? Yes. And so forth and so on.

So pulling that together now, I'm starting to start. to pull together my own methodology, which I'm going to, you know, I'm crafting it right now as we, you know, this season. So if it's going to be clarified and you're going to have to write a book about it, you know. And when I do and, you know, I go on these podcasts and people are asking me and be asking me about it, well, what do you do, right? It's going to clarify that for me. And so it's creating a lot of creative juices, you know, it's just making me excited about it. And I think that you probably need something like that when it comes to your speaking people, right? Like, like what, like you have lots of knowledge, you've talked to lots of people, but what's,

what's the few things that make me unique, right? So anyway, it's just like some food for a bottle. No, I like that. I mean, I really don't know what I would say, like if I were to look in the mirror, I would not be able to tell what makes me unique. I mean, I don't look for that when I look at the mirror. I'm like, oh, is there like a bugger hanging? Like, that's kind of what I look for if I'm looking at. And here's the thing. Every company needs to find that.

Right? And there's a process for it. And you are a company, so you need to find out of yourself. Right. So, I mean, this is the classic story. I don't know if you ever read. is one of oh what's his name the guy who wrote the

four hour embarrassed oh my god I fucking annoyed at that guy all right so this I gotta share this because people will probably be offended so him and I were actually competing when I had my old red cover art him and I literally intersected into Rafonic Raphonic is this podcast program that

puts it shows like the majority of your listeners and what they're listening to besides your show And it was literally, what is it, Tim Ferriss, Andrew Huberman, Lex Friedman, Rich Roll. And I had this like graph that it created for me. And I'm like, yes, because I like Andrew Huberman. And I like Lex. And at first, Tim Ferriss was okay.

But then it's always, it doesn't go any deeper because it always just brags about his college education and then try. And it's just so annoying. And it's just like, dude, shut up and let them talk. So they can hear. So we can learn something because I don't want to hear it anymore. So I'm literally against him now. Like that's. Well, okay.

So I mean, this is just one of his books called the tribe of mentors, right? And so he just basically interviews a bunch of really great people and asks them about stuff. So that's the whole book. But one of them was the, you know, the creator of Dilbert, right? Yes. and he and so this is what he's famous for is he talks about the you know he was not

the best business person he was not the best artist he was not the best comedian but he was good enough at those three things and when you put them together that's what made him very unique and that's where Dilbert came out of right and so you kind of have to figure out what those three things are for you right

like what are those three things that I'm not like spectacularly unique compared to everyone else but I am unique in it that's unique to me. And if I add those three things up, then that makes me, that gives me a completely unique service and product, right? Or message that I want to track together for,

for, for my audience. And, and you know, in this industry, the helping industry, right? Like we've mentioned in the beginning,

the whole point is to get someone from point A to B. Yes. Right? So you, you need to figure out for you, what is the, what is the A to B for your audience, right? Who is your audience and what's their A to B?

And if you can figure that out, then you can probably go backwards and work through how your unique way is going to get them there. I like that. I have to say something before I continue. I feel like a total dick because literally I'm explaining why I hate Tim Ferriss and here I am nagging about why I hate this dude who is, I'm literally doing the exact same thing he's doing, but I'm bitching, but he's talking

about his cow. So I had to clear that up. But that's interesting relating it with our avatar, with our audience, and aligning ourselves with the same and goal, because I feel like we should be striving to meet this goal together. I mean, each episode brings us one step closer. It's where that transformation comes into play. For one hour episode, you will become a better version.

of yourself by the time you're done. Yeah. So, I mean, let's keep going because I don't want to get out track. Yes, please. I would like to come back to what you just said, though. Yeah, so we were at feedback. So we just had one more element to go setting. And the last one is complexity.

So your goals, if it's too complex for you, as in you don't understand how to reach it is not a good goal. So you have to switch your goal into a learning goal if you're not there yet. Ooh, go deeper, please. Okay. Let's go back to the podcast example, right? So if my goal, okay, actually, no, you're speaking. My goal is to become a seven-figure speaker.

that's impacting people with my message and and, you know, still make some money to pay for my family. Well, that's complex. It's not, you know, that's too big of a goal. I mean, it should be the vision. It should be the end goal, right?

But I need to either break that down or have a really clear pathway by learning, you know, learning, well, learning for someone who's done before. That'd be one way, right? Yes. That would give me, yeah, so I need to change it to a learning goal first. But maybe for a little while, my goal is not that yet,

but is to learn how to get there. So, like, if we were to sum it up as a definition, what is a learning goal and what is a goal? So nobody gets confused here. Well, I mean, one is an execution goal and the other is learning and innovating goal, right? Okay. Like a trial and tribulation kind of experience? Sure.

I mean, you have to have seasons of that in your company, right? Let me give you a really good example in Apple. So Apple has very, very predictable schedule. every October you're going to get a launch of their new phone. Yeah. And so what's happening in their company is earlier in the year, all those people who work on iPhones are developing it. They're innovating.

They're learning. They're trying to figure out how to put that learning into making this phone a better product. Or creating a new line of products. But once October comes around, they're just full on execution. It's just full on sales and product, you know, production, right? So you have to, so every, every company that becomes long-term successful, eventually becomes predictable. Okay.

In the sense that they have seasons for different things. Yes. How does that translate to the solopreneur? Now, and that's where I met at the moment, right? My goal is to build a team so that I could, you know, be practicing what I'm teaching in terms of being a good leader. But as a solopreneur, though, I have to purposefully settle in my schedule, my year's schedule, of when I'm learning, you know, in developing myself and adding those ideas.

when I'm executing, right? So at the moment, I'm in a full out execution season. But then by March break, that works for me because I'm your dad. You got to stop for a, sorry, I'm a Canadian, so I use March break since the spring break. Holy shit. We are Canadian and then your last name is, is, I don't want to say it. Japanese? No, it's Chinese.

It's Chinese? Greg, you're such a jackass Oh, everybody's assume fucking everybody's Japanese So that's so Chinese So that's And then you're Canadian? Like how does that happen?

How does that happen? I mean Hearing, I'm sorry Canada's receiving like half a million immigrants for a year right now But no, there was a huge

Exodus of Chinese immigrants from Hong Kong back in the 80s No shit. Because everyone was trying to avoid being under communist rule, right? So my parents would have been a part of that. And so that's why I was born in Canada and raised there, right? That's cool, though, that you're sharing that.

I like that. I like to understand where people come from if there's a story behind that. I like that. Yeah. So anyways, I think where did we even get? How did we even get here? That's the whole point of these shows. is I want that response.

How the fuck did we get there? So, okay, I think I know what we were talking about. So we started off with the vision, right? It's at the whole piece. And then I said, all right, let's bring up the gauntlet. We're going to have to talk about all four of the hero, hope, efficacy, resilience, optimism. So we've covered two of them so far. That's the hope and efficacy.

Okay. Oh, yeah. Then we move on to resilience. So resilience is my. ability to bounce back from challenges. Okay. Let me just say something. Sunk cost fallacy and resilience.

When do I know when to stop being hardheaded and walk away? Okay. So I would say there are different things. I mean, resilient doesn't mean I keep doing whatever I am doing. Right. True. Resilience instead is my. ability to discern a difference between what I can't control and what I can and putting my

resources towards what I can. Say that one more time, please. So I'm discerning the difference between what I can't control and what I can control, and then I'm moving my resources towards what I can control. That's, at least in my opinion, what resilience. And that's very important. I think we are all control freaks. So we tend to control things we can't actually control, but those are the things that drive us nuts. So you need to be able to radically accept the things that I can't control. Only then am I freed because I have a limited amount of resources.

energy to shift that all towards things I can control. Okay, so back to your, you know, the example of becoming a seven-figure speaker. Okay, so, so, yeah, tons of things there you can't control. So many things you can't control. You know, is there a market for this at this time? Is there, you know, I don't know. Like, no, there's tons of things. But the more I'm using my energy to think about those things, and it's useless time.

It's spent on fretting on something I can't control any of this. So I need to then look at the opportunities. So, you know, as you're talking about the whole feeling stuck, I'm just kind of doing the same thing. No, it's really tough. I mean, I understand this. I'm kind of in the same boat right, right? I'm building a business.

I'm doing what I think is supposed to work. You know, we go on a podcast, get your name out there. When does this translate to dollars, right? So I guess what I could say is that, you know, things take time to develop, obviously. So you should set pilot goals. How long do I do something before I'm, before I know if it's effective or not for the final goal that I'm trying to go to.

Right. So, yeah, I mean, I think, I mean, as far as I know, lots of people, you make the money on their podcast. No, that's, I mean, it's definitely, I mean, yes, yes, there's a lot of factors. I mean, you have affiliate marketing. You have advertisements, you do subscription-based models. and that comes down to refining and refining what the show is about. And then people will see the difference. If it doesn't match up to what you write, nobody wants to listen to that shit. And it has to be the very essence of you.

And there's some days when I lose that essence. And when I lose that essence, a little piece of me of what I decided was the vision, it starts to get like a crack. But then when I get my essence back, it doesn't feel like it felt the other day. Like I felt 100% now I feel 99. And that all it takes is that one stock up.

So, you know, and that's, yeah, I mean, this is the plight of an underbook. I think that it's such a temptation. One of the leadership models that I am following and teaching right now is probably prioritize the leaders. And so the whole idea. is that there are five priorities as a leader and that they have to be in the right order for things to be working. So the top, the number one priority is purpose, right? I need to have the purpose, the vision, and the mission in mind. Right? Because without that, all of the other pieces go into this array, right?

The second piece now is people. So it's my people on board with the vision and are they being challenged in Kethak the Kavis. and kept accountable and are they happy? Are they full of good relationships within the group? And the third piece is my pace. So we talked about this already in terms of the predictability of my, when we're executing and when we're resting and when we're innovating. So that's the fourth piece as well as the innovation, right? Or the perception.

And then finally, and only at the end, this profit come in. because when you have those first four things lined up, the profit follows, right? But the biggest temptation, I think, is to flip that narrative. Yes. Right? Because, I mean, because cash flow is, you know,

what we survive on. So out of fear, oh, man, I'm forgetting about my, you know, like the podcast is great and the affiliations and all stuff is great, but it was supposed to be, it was not the end goal. The end goal is the speech. So you have to kind of step back and think about,

okay, what are the missing links here? Is there anything I need to do between the podcast to the stage? See, I like these five that you pointed out. I feel like there's something that's missing before you can affide these five principles or whatever you want to call that. I forget the name of this model. But I feel like you have to know

yourself, and I mean everything about you, what you've been through, what is holding you back internally and externally. And when you have gone through all of that, then I feel like those principles would just automatically guide you to success. Yeah, I mean, the model works for the individual, for sure. Because, you know, it's just like you said, you need to know who, you need to know what your purpose is. So that's like the number one even on your own, right? Especially, you know, and that's going to be the case when you're a solopreneur and it's going to be a case when you have a team.

Because wherever the leader goes, so we go to the rest of the team, right? So, so yeah, that's why it is. I mean, and that's, that's what leadership, at least self-leadership is, right? Wait, hold on, hold on. I feel like I'm delayed here for a second. I literally had a moment of just like not when I say know yourself. I'm saying know like your new, your unique perspective. Like what we talk about on this entire show like comes down to that moment.

What is your unique like style, your approach, your thought process? If it's self expiration by affinity, if you can dial it down and get everything down about like what are your biggest challenge? are you afraid of? What actually gets you excited? What doesn't get you excited? What kind of women do you like? What kind of guys do you like? I mean, it doesn't fucking matter. Once you go through all of that shit, then I feel like those, the five principle makes more sense. Yes. Okay. So I think here's a really good exercise for that, right? Because when you think about your mission, it's I provide this so to help this, right? So you really really, You really need to think about, we talked about this one, right?

Who's my audience and what's their A, what's their B? And what's my way of bringing them? Say that again? The last part. What's your way of what? What's my way of bringing them? Right? What's my unique way of bringing them there?

What unique perspectives do I have that brings them from A to B? Is this rhetorical or is this a direct question? Well, it was a food for thought question, but if you want to think of right now go for it no i'll say it out loud like if we're since we're it's as addressed in the beginning using me as the guinea pig i would say literally like i'm getting them from a to b i want to i want you guys to grow laughing while growing or vice versa however i haven't figured it out yet but i mean we could literally google search everything and try to get information overload and that shit is boring after a while i mean you have to be pretty insane like

me to want to go just cruise around Google, try to find something interesting. But if I can put in these little witty comebacks or stupid jokes that might get somebody to crack up or not, I mean, it got you, so it doesn't matter like this right here. But that's the whole point of your transformation station is to, it's like an intellectual conversation, but it's real, moments. I'm talking authenticity about being me. If I'm a fuck up, I'm going to share it. If it's funny, I'm going to try to be funny. If I fail miserably, I'm going to let you know, hey, I failed miserably, by the way, but it don't matter. So you're, you are looking to help people grow laughing along the way. Exactly. And I know this is a really broad question, but like, what do you mean by growing?

Yes. growing by understanding ourselves. And we don't even know the questions that we should be asking ourselves. We don't know where we should start looking. I mean, if I can give them a template by our conversation for them to start asking questions, well, maybe this conversation didn't resonate. However, it generated questions or for thought to start addressing an error. around there, then we're doing something.

You know when my wife and I got married, I mean, before that, we were sitting down and writing a vision board of what our mission is. I like that. So we just wrote down a bunch of our stories, right? Like what makes us feel alive, what makes us tick, right? And so we came down to one phrase. Now, we are, we're both Christians, so we're faith-based. a lot of our ideas there.

But we're just like, you know, it came down to this. We really feel a sense of freedom in our faith. And so our mission is to live in that freedom and bring that freedom of life. That's really all of this. And so out of that, go came different businesses, right? Like my counseling business is all about giving people freedom, right? And then my coaching business is all about bringing leaders to a place. where they found happiness and freedom and effectiveness in their leadership so that their followers

also get that benefit, right? And so what's cool here is that two worlds collided because one of them is my own vision, what I'm about, but that's translated to what my vision is for helping people, right, in terms of their journey and there's a level of, you know, took a lot of, you know, took a lot of, took a long time to clarify, right? But I think it's getting more and more to a point where I have some clarity about what that outcome actually is or how that would feel like or how that would look like. And then once I have that, then it's just a matter of working backwards, right? Of like, okay, then what's the few unique ways that I can help someone towards that, right?

And so one of them is, you know, what we discussed here, right? I have this huge propensity for positive psychology. So how do I bring that in? into the journey of how it brings someone up to that point. Right. So I would challenge you to think about that, right? Like what is that growth outcome that I'm looking for for somebody? Is that they don't take themselves seriously?

That they're more authentic in their way they live? And is there a process for that? What was the process I went through to get there? And what's the process I want to bring you to? you know, help you to bring from being a place where I'm just, you know, too serious about everything to the point where I can block along the way and feel more authentic and more real as a person, right? So I mean, I'm just throwing out examples from what I'm hearing. But yes, no, I like that.

Hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Let's, let's wrap up here. Because I got another show coming up here in a few minutes. how can our audience get in touch with you if they want to know more? Yeah, so my website is happy hires.com. If you go onto my website, you can do a diagnostic that would give you a quick glance of your priorities as a leader. And that would also lead to you being to book a call with me or email me. Yeah, so those would be the best ways to reach out.

And if I were to leave you at the floor and you didn't get to say what you wanted to say, here's your time. You can go ahead and share that now. Oh, wow. What would I tell someone for a conclusion? We just went through so much stuff. Yeah. I would say that, yeah, let's begin with what we started off with.

It's what's the purpose, right? And that's not anything new. You hear this, you know, see Simon Seneca everywhere, right? Yeah. Talking about starting with your why, right? But he's right. He is. He is.

Yeah. So if that's not clear, then everything else is going to be not clear. And that's why if you're not clear in that, then talk with somebody that helps you clarify that or ask you really short questions to get to that. because once that's more clear, then you can set priorities and strategies and behavior behind it and actually feel hopeful about it. So that would be it.

Beautiful. Beautiful. I like that. Well, Lindsay, I do appreciate you coming on to show today. Yeah, and thank you for having me. Excellent. We're all good. You got everything you wanted to say on there?

Yeah, no, that was pretty good. I mean, if I had more time, I would keep going. but I think that that would overwhelm someone anyways. Yes. Yes. It's like at the peak of information overload, but not. I mean, we just, I just want to give them all the shit that they could literally get an hour versus just scrolling from Google or whatever. And this is, it's fantastic.

You did great today. So I really do appreciate your time. You're a good host. Yeah, let me know in the future. If you ever find an opening or someone can't, it just give me an email. Sure. Definitely. I like that.

I appreciate you. Okay. Appreciate you too, man. All right. Take it easy. I'll be in touch. All right. Bye.

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