Your World Tonight - Carney pitches bail reform, PM says not time to hit U.S., lead in protein powders, and more

Episode Date: October 16, 2025

Prime Minister Mark Carney lays out his plan on bail conditions and sentencing. Carney says repeat offenders charged with home invasion, violent car theft, assault, sexual assault, extortion or human ...trafficking will have to prove they deserve bail before it is awarded.And: Carney says it’s not time for more retaliatory tariffs against American goods. He is facing pressure from some premiers to strike back as the tariffs draw jobs and investments away from Canada.Also: A Consumer Reports investigation has found what it calls “concerning” levels of lead in some popular protein powders — including some sold in Canada.Plus: Gaza aid, Trump and Putin, F35s and more.

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Starting point is 00:00:33 You know, to be arrested and then first pretty serious stuff and then you're out within two to three days to re-offend every time. Crime, punishment, and politics. As Canadian communities struggle with home invasions, car thefts, and repeat offenders, new federal legislation is proposed
Starting point is 00:01:00 closing bail reform and stiffer sentences, a campaign promise that will need support in Parliament and possibly the Supreme Court. Welcome to Your World Tonight. I'm Susan Bonner. It is Thursday, October 16th just before 6 p.m. Eastern, also on the podcast. We can make it better. And so we will do everything we can to make it better. There's times to hit back and there's times to talk.
Starting point is 00:01:25 And right now is the time to talk. Facing provincial pressure to hit the United States' best. Prime Minister Mark Carney wants to keep the dialogue going, choosing not to escalate the trade conflict with Washington while trying to manage competing interests on this side of the border. The Prime Minister says it's about tougher laws and safer streets. Mark Carney today revealed his government's plan to change the criminal code, legislation that won't be tabled until next week, but already. critics and opposition parties are taking aim. Olivia Stefanovic begins our coverage. Canadians deserve to feel safe in their community, to know that their homes are secure.
Starting point is 00:02:11 Against a backdrop of RCMP officers donning their grey duty uniforms in Toronto, Prime Minister Mark Carney announced his government's long-awaited plan to crack down on crime. With so-called reverse onus bail, it will no longer be up to the crown to prove why someone should stay behind bars. It will be up to the accused
Starting point is 00:02:33 to prove to the court why they can be trusted to be released. A promise made months ago on the federal election campaign trail with a new justice bill scheduled to be tabled in Parliament next week. We are delivering the
Starting point is 00:02:49 change to keep violent repeat offenders off our streets. The proposed legislation would allow consecutive sentencing for those offenders accused of serious crimes. times, including violent auto theft, human trafficking, and sexual assault, along with a pledge to hire 1,000 more Mounties. We are going to scrap liberal bail, scrap liberal parole. Conservative leader Pierre Pahliav is dismissing Carney's proposed changes, urging the federal government to pass his party's private members bill on bail reform instead.
Starting point is 00:03:23 It will be jail, not bail. The changes Carney is proposing come after the conservatives' up. upset the liberals in the vote-rich 905, an area surrounding Toronto that sing a significant increase in violent crime, carjackings, homicide, shootings, even though statistics Canada says crime is decreasing overall in most other parts of the country. There has to be consequences when you do violent crimes. The federal government is also under pressure from Ontario Premier Doug Ford and other provincial leaders, along with mayors and police services to reform the bail system. We need mandatory sentences. So when a criminal goes in with a gun, you know you're doing X
Starting point is 00:04:08 amount of years, whatever it is, 10 years. Carney's announcement did not include mandatory sentences, and it isn't clear if the bill could withstand a legal challenge since the Supreme Court of Canada struck down consecutive periods of parole ineligibility. I think one of the primary responsibilities we have as members of parliament is to make sure that laws that we pass do conform to our charter and our Constitution. Don Davies is the interim leader of the federal NDP. He says new Democrats are waiting to see the text of the bill before formulating a position. We have to move forward in a very considered way, balancing, again, Canadians' important rights to be free pending charge. You know, you can't just be throwing people in jail pending the outcome of.
Starting point is 00:04:56 of their trials. The previous liberal government made bail less onerous in an attempt to address the over-incarceration of black and indigenous offenders. Now it's become the latest Trudeau-era policy
Starting point is 00:05:09 to be put on the chopping block. Olivia Estefanovich, CBC News, Ottawa. I'm Philip Lyshanock in Toronto, where those whose lives have been upended by repeat criminal offenders are applauding some of the proposed changes. Paul Henderson and Flo Bellman
Starting point is 00:05:25 say reversing the onus to grant bail to require people charged with serious crimes to justify why they should be released pending trial could have saved their daughter's life. You know, Flo and I believe that if the system had had done what it was supposed to do, Daryon would be alive today. 25-year-old Daryon Henderson Bellman was shot and killed allegedly by her boyfriend, who was out on bail facing multiple weapons charges. You know, to be arrested and then for pretty serious stuff, and then you're out within two to three days to re-offend every time.
Starting point is 00:06:03 They allowed him out several times with a gun on bail. The couple lobbied for changes to the bail system. The Liberals' legislation expected next week will make it harder for people accused of serious crimes to stay out of jail while awaiting trial. Bail is really the safeguard of liberty for the innocent. Shakir Rahim is the director of the Criminal Justice Program for the Canadian Civil Liberties Association. He says all accused or presumed innocent before proven guilty. Instead of the state having to prove why you should be detained before your trial,
Starting point is 00:06:37 you have to prove why you should be released based on an accusation. Riz Arshad's 21-year-old son, Gabriel, was critically injured in a Brampton crash allegedly caused by a five-time repeat impaired driver who was released on bail. He says bail requirements should consider if it's your first offense. I get it. They should have that chance for bail and be able to prove their innocence. But if somebody is an habitual criminal and they've got many priors, then take them for what they're telling us that they are a criminal and they need help. If passed, the legislation would also amend the criminal code to end conditional sentences for some crimes and allow for longer sentences for us. Others. Michelle Joe Hall of the Criminal Lawyers Association says that and tightening bail requirements
Starting point is 00:07:27 will have consequences. And of course the concern is if more people are denied bail, they're going to be kept in the remand population and the remand facilities are already overcrowded. Stats Canada says there is no data on how many people allegedly committed new offenses or what kinds of offenses were committed while out on bail. Philip Lichanoke, CBC News, Toronto. Hockey goaltender Carter Hart has signed a professional tryout contract with the Vegas Golden Knights. Hart and four teammates on Canada's 2018 World Junior Team were found not guilty of sexual
Starting point is 00:08:07 assault in July. He's the first of the group to rejoin an NHL team since the acquittal. Hart and the others are able to sign contracts with NHL teams but cannot play in games until December 1st. Coming right up, resisting pressure to retaliate. Prime Minister Mark Carney says he wants to keep talking trade with the United States. And Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin are planning another meeting aimed at ending the war in Ukraine. Later, we'll have this story.
Starting point is 00:08:41 Some people take them every day, often as part of a health and fitness routine. But a new investigation found some protein powders contained potential. potentially harmful amounts of lead. Some of the products had more than 10 times the levels that our experts say is safe. I'm Alison Northcott in Montreal. Later, on your world tonight, I'll tell you what the risks are and what experts say you can do to protect yourself. Prime Minister Mark Carney says trade talks with the United States are going in the right direction. And for now, he's holding off on any more retaliatory measures.
Starting point is 00:09:18 Just days after Canada's auto sector was slammed with more bad news, some Canadian leaders want to see a tougher approach from Ottawa. Kate McKenna reports. There's times to hit back and there's times to talk, and right now is the time to talk. Prime Minister Mark Carney is pushing back against hitting back. It's in response to calls from Ontario Premier Doug Ford for Canada to retaliate against the United States
Starting point is 00:09:42 following the automaker Stalantis' decision to move Jeep production from Brampton to Illinois. With 3,000 auto jobs on the line, Ford threatened to cut off or limit energy sales to the United States. We know that our American friends are in desperate need of our energy. But I'm not going to give them energy if their president wants to destroy our economy, take every single job out of Ontario, out of Canada. Before Carney met with Ford today, the prime minister sought to underscore instead what the two leaders have in common. Premier Ford and I are both interested in results in my case for workers and families across Canada,
Starting point is 00:10:21 of course in his case for the province of Ontario. This schism comes as cracks in Team Canada begin to emerge. Over the summer, the premiers expressed total confidence in the prime minister's ability to take on the U.S. administration. But now the groundswell to get tougher on trade grows as anxiety plays out across the country and premiers sensitive to their own workers and their own economies are demanding to be the priorities in trade talks. And what we're asking for today is that that same respect, that that same concern, that same sense of emergency
Starting point is 00:10:56 is shared for the forest sector in this country. British Columbia Premier David Eby says lumber tariffs, now at 45 percent, aren't getting the same attention as the auto sector. When their jobs are threatened, it's, it's, it's, treated as a national emergency, and rightly so. Meanwhile, premiers like Manitoba's Wab Canoe and Saskatchew and Saskatchewan, Scott Moe, say Canada should lift tariffs on Chinese electric vehicles, so China drops the canola tariffs hurting Western farmers.
Starting point is 00:11:25 Ford disagrees, as he strives to protect and grow his province's automaking sector. Today, Alberta Premier Danielle Smith sided with her Western colleagues. I do tend to side a little bit more with Wab Canoe and with Scott Moe when it comes to to our approach with China. Let's face it, we don't have an electric vehicle industry here. All of this is playing out as top Canadian officials are still in Washington, locked in negotiations over a new trade deal. We're engaged in deep negotiations, intensive negotiations,
Starting point is 00:11:54 on several sectors of the Canadian economy, energy, aluminum, and the steel sector. Carney finds himself managing a cast of characters with competing interests on both sides of the border. Kate McKenna, CBC News, Ottawa. A grand jury has indicted U.S. President Donald Trump's former national security advisor. John Bolton is accused of mishandling classified documents. He has long been targeted by Trump. Chris Reyes is watching this story for us. Chris, what do we know about the charges?
Starting point is 00:12:26 Hi, Susan. Well, according to court records, these charges have to do with the transmission of national defense information, retention of national defense information, and as you said, mishandling of classified information. Just to give you some background, back in August, the FBI searched Bolton's Maryland home and Washington office. Agents said that they seized documents marked classified, confidential, and secret. Now, much like the charges against Trump and the investigation into President Biden, this case is about Bolton retaining sensitive materials from his time in government.
Starting point is 00:13:01 Remember, back in 2023, President Trump was charged under this same law for allegedly keeping and refusing to return. classified national defense documents found at Mar-a-Lago. Now, following that August search, Bolton's lawyers said that the seized documents were cleared in pre-publication reviews, and many were decades old. Chris, Donald Trump has had a lot to say publicly about John Bolton and how he feels about him. Why was he so keen to have him charged? Trump, during his campaign, in broader terms, Susan, repeatedly, made veiled and some not so veiled threats against his so-called enemies. Where Bolton falls into that
Starting point is 00:13:46 is that he served under the first Trump administration for two years. They had a falling out on foreign policy matters, including on Iran and North Korea. And then Bolton became a very vocal critic of the president. In his memoir, Bolton said that Trump was unfit to be in that position. Now, this news, Susan, broke as Trump was in a Q&A in the Oval Office. And when asked about it, Trump said that he didn't know about the indictment and then added that he thinks that Bolton is a bad person. And in the president's exact words, he's a bad guy. And this is the third time in the past three weeks that the U.S. Justice Department has indicted one of the president's targeted critics. What kind of reaction has there been to that? That's right. Let me just
Starting point is 00:14:32 talk about those other two. New York Attorney General Letitia James was just indicted on fraud charges. She brought and won the case against Trump's business practices in New York, though it was later overthrown. And then former FBI director James Comey was indicted on charges, including making false statements. Now, he oversaw the probe into Russian election interference back in the 2016 campaign. There have been warnings and concerns from Democrats and critics of the president. that once elected in this second term, he might use the Department of Justice to prosecute his enemies. In fact, this issue was a major focus of the grilling that Attorney General Pam Bondi got during her confirmation hearing. And in those hearings, she said that there will never be an enemy's list within the Department of Justice,
Starting point is 00:15:24 that she will not politicize this office and that she would not target people simply because of their political affiliation. As you can imagine, with yet another indictment, the concerns are growing that that's not the case. Thank you, Chris. Thank you so much. That's Chris Reyes in New York. There is a new push from U.S. President Donald Trump to end the war in Ukraine, and it includes a plan for another in-person meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin. The two leaders spoke on the phone today.
Starting point is 00:15:56 Ukraine's president is expected at the White House tomorrow. Paul Hunter reports. Nice to be with you. Almost exactly two months after U.S. President Donald Trump sat down with Russian President Vladimir Putin in Alaska. A summit Trump said was aimed at finding peace in Ukraine. Today, a follow-up phone call between the two. We just had a call, as you know, with President Putin. I thought it was a very good call.
Starting point is 00:16:23 Trump is believed to be frustrated that ending the war has proven elusive. Russia attacked Ukraine in 2022. Though Trump has often said he could end it quickly, the fighting rages on. We think we're going to get, we hope we're going to get it stopped. I thought this would be very quick. And it's turned out to be, who would think I did Middle East before I did this? Trump announcing he and Putin will soon now sit down for another face-to-face in Hungary, as Trump put it in a truth social posting, to see if we can bring this inglorious war to an end.
Starting point is 00:16:59 Trump also announcing today meetings now set for next week between U.S. and Russian officials ahead of the sit-down with Putin. All of it, just a day before Trump meets with Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky at the White House. On the agenda with Zelensky
Starting point is 00:17:15 said Trump to talk about his call today with Putin. Will Putin and Zelensky ever sit down for talks? I mean, we have a problem. They don't get along too well, those two. And it's sometimes tough to have meetings, so we may do something where we're separate, but separate but equal. This is a terrible relationship the two
Starting point is 00:17:35 of them have, and it's one of those things. The location of the meeting, Hungary, under Hungarian Prime Minister Victor Orban, has raised some eyebrows, both Trump and Putin, on good terms with Orban. But Zelensky has lately accused Hungarian drones of crossing into Ukraine. Orban then replying, Ukraine is not a sovereign state. Can progress now be made? said, White House Press Secretary Caroline Levitt. I think the president is always willing to take a chance at diplomacy. And this war, he has always said, is going to have to end at the negotiating table. And so he's, you know, he never gives up and he's willing to pursue it.
Starting point is 00:18:14 Added Trump, in his words, I'll get it stopped. Paul Hunter, CBC News, Washington. The UN's head of humanitarian affairs says Gaza needs more aid urgently. Hundreds of thousands of Palestinians have returned to their home. in recent days, and many need food, medicine, and other vital supplies. But a key border crossing with Egypt remains closed. Tom Perry has that story. At Nasser Hospital in Gaza, Ibrahim Kalab sits beside a bed where his son, 18-year-old Hassan,
Starting point is 00:18:51 lies motionless. His body thin, his eyes covered with bandages. Hassan suffered a gunshot wound more than two months ago, while out seeking food. His father says he needs to see a specialist on the other side of the Rafa crossing in Egypt. If the crossing doesn't open and he can't go abroad for treatment, I'll lose him, he says. Israel says it's preparing to open Rafa and allow people to pass through. Israel's foreign minister has been quoted as saying that could happen as early as Sunday. But Israel, which is furious with Hamas over its failure to return the remains of.
Starting point is 00:19:29 of all Israeli hostages from Gaza insists humanitarian aid will not be allowed through Rafa, arguing that was never agreed to in the ceasefire deal. Aid trucks have been entering Gaza through other checkpoints, and humanitarian agencies say they are making progress, reestablishing a network of food distribution points. Tom Fletcher, the UN's Undersecretary General for Humanitarian Affairs, visited Rafa today and says, all crossings into Gaza need to open so more aid can flow through. We want to see Raff open. We want to see all the crossings open. You know, aid can never be a bargaining ship. That's not just me saying that. That's the rules. That's the law.
Starting point is 00:20:13 Inside Gaza, Rachel Cummings says she's cautiously optimistic after seeing truckloads of aid finally arriving. Cummings is with Save the Children working in central Gaza. Food, fuel and medicine are getting in, she says, but it's still not enough. The needs of children haven't changed since the announcement of a ceasefire. We're still seeing malnourish children in the clinic, children with diarrhea, with pneumonia, with skin infections. What we need to be able to support children to alleviate the suffering is the human's home supplies and the way to do that. The most efficiently is to open all land crossings into Gaza. Cumming says after two years of war, people in Gaza are exhausted.
Starting point is 00:20:56 The scale of destruction in the territory, she says, is extraordinary. The people of Gaza need all the help they can get. Tom Perry, CBC News, Cairo. This is Your World Tonight from CBC News. If you want to make sure you stay up to date and never miss one of our episodes, follow us on Spotify, Apple, wherever you get your podcasts. Just find the follow button and lock us in. Many people take them for health reasons or to bulk up,
Starting point is 00:21:32 but there are new warnings about protein powders and potentially harmful, heavy metal. After testing nearly two dozen products, experts found several of them exceeded the safe limits of lead. Alison Northcott breaks down the findings and the safety risks. It's a great way to supplement additional protein in your diet. Strength and conditioning coach, Mia Nikolive, at Back Alley Barbell in Toronto
Starting point is 00:21:57 says a lot of her clients use protein powders regularly. It is quite often hand in hand with strength-based training, fitness trainings. But an investigation by the nonprofit organization Consumer Reports tested 23 protein powders in the U.S. and found two-thirds contained more lead
Starting point is 00:22:15 in a single serving than their food safety experts say is safe to consume in a day. And some of the products had more than 10 times the levels that our experts say is safe. Paris Martino is an investigative journalist at Consumer Reports in New York. There are a couple that had really concerning levels of lead, and those are experts say, hey, we think you should kind of just avoid taking these all together.
Starting point is 00:22:36 There are others. We recommend kind of limiting your usage. There are others that seem fine to take daily, and even when we found no lead in. While Consumer Reports experts say people should not consume more than 0.5 micrograms of lead per day, food safety professor Lawrence Goodrich at the University of Guelph in Ontario says no amount of lead is safe to consume. If you are regularly consuming these products and they contain lead, then that is building up in your body over time. And that can lead to systemic problems such as in children,
Starting point is 00:23:10 neurodevelopmental problems, in adults, cognitive decline, mood disorders, chronic kidney disease, and even reproductive effects. The report found plant-based protein powders were, among those with the most lead, in part because plants can be contaminated by the soil or air while they're growing, says Goodrich. Unlike animals, plants cannot metabolically filter out the lead. Some of the companies named by consumer reports pushed back against the findings. One brand, Hewell, called the report alarmist and said its own independent tests
Starting point is 00:23:41 show its products meet globally recognized food safety standards. Naked Nutrition said its vegan mass gainer product has a larger serving size than most protein powders, and the data does not provide an accurate apples-to-apples comparison. Some of the products tested are available for Canadians to purchase online. Neither Health Canada nor the Canadian Food Inspection Agency answered our questions by deadline. Back at the gym, Nikolaiev says it's all about moderation. If you're worried, have a little less.
Starting point is 00:24:10 Consumer reports suggest before buying or consuming a protein powder, do some research to find out exactly what might be in it. Alison Northcott, CBC News, Montreal. We closed tonight with the Toronto Blue Jays and another kind of bird that was feeling the heat or maybe not enough of it. Way back into the seats. Fifth home run of the night for the Blue Jays.
Starting point is 00:24:33 It's 13. The Jays had a much needed playoff win in Seattle, but the team and their fans weren't the only ones feeling relief last night. Earlier in the series on Thanksgiving Monday, the American broadcast team from Fox Sports celebrated that holiday on the air. Canadian Thanksgiving
Starting point is 00:24:51 we've got to celebrate accordingly. Do you have a plate? I don't want to use my score sheet. Commentators, Joe Davis and John Smoltz, enjoying a turkey dinner in Toronto. But later, the studio crew went to the video review and thought the butterball their colleagues had eaten looked foul. That turkey looks a little pink to me.
Starting point is 00:25:12 Some manila poisoning. They pulled that turkey out of the oven and little early. Joe Davis, best of luck. You did a great job with the game. I just hope the tum-tum is okay in a couple of hours, boy. Just like the Blue Jays, the Fox Sports team bounced back for the game last night, reassuring everyone
Starting point is 00:25:32 their Canadian Thanksgiving turkey was cooked to perfection. And guys, the turkey might have been a little bit pink, but it might have been a smoke turkey. And that could have been a smoke cream. That's correct. And we're all feeling just fine. That's correct.
Starting point is 00:25:45 There will likely be some queasiness across Canada tonight with no. nervous Jays fans watching another crucial game and hoping their team isn't cooked. Thank you for joining us. This has been your world tonight for Thursday, October 16th. I'm Susan Bonner. Talk to you again. cbc.ca slash podcasts.

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