Your World Tonight - Pipeline politics, Trump crackdown on immigration, is “Buy Canadian” over? And more

Episode Date: November 28, 2025

The federal Liberals insist they’re more united than ever — one day after a cabinet minister quit over changing environmental policies.And: U.S. President Donald Trump vows to “permanently pause...” immigration from what he calls Third World countries, after an Afghan national who had been granted asylum is accused of shooting two National Guard members.Also: What happened to “Buy Canadian”? Statistics Canada says more than two-thirds of businesses haven’t seen an increase for their Canadian products.Plus: Measles cases surge around the world, Israel military investigating after border police officers are caught on video shooting dead two Palestinian men who appeared to be surrendering, Ticketmaster refunds Olivia Dean fans, and more.

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Starting point is 00:00:30 This is a CBC podcast. Consultation, meaningful consultation and agreement takes much, much longer than what they've outlined here. It seems impossible to me. The deal is signed. Now it's time to sell it. But it won't be easy. Alberta and Ottawa say they want to fast track an oil pipeline. Premier Smith is now pitching the deal to her own party.
Starting point is 00:00:58 Prime Minister Carney has all. already lost one of his cabinet members over it and has to convince the rest it's a good idea and then they both need to talk to indigenous leaders British Columbia the opposition this is your world tonight it's Friday November 28th coming up on 6 p.m. Eastern I'm Stephanie Scandaris also on the podcast. Hard to grasp she won't be back in town won't see her around anymore can't just get a hold of her it's really hard to grasp that Friends and family remember Sarah Bextram, a member of the U.S. National Guard, killed while on patrol in Washington, D.C.
Starting point is 00:01:38 The suspect? An Afghan National who was granted asylum, which is having political ramifications. The agreement between Ottawa and Alberta was pitched as a plan for Canadians that united the country. But division was showing before the air. ink on the deal was dry. A day later, the fallout is widespread, from a resignation inside the Kearney Liberals to a potential revolt inside the Smith UCP. We have full coverage on both angles for you tonight, beginning with Kate McKenna in Ottawa. Steve Gebeau is very conscientious, very caring. Liberal MPs like Ontario's Charles Sousa say former Heritage Minister Stephen Gilbeau's decision to quit cabinet doesn't mean the Big Tent Party
Starting point is 00:02:29 has stretched too far. The Liberal Caucus is one that I greatly admire and respect. It crosses a lot of different cultures, a lot of different ideology. This week, the Carney government surprised many of its own MPs, with details in a new deal with Alberta. The Memorandum of Understanding pledged support for a pipeline to the Pacific and rolls back some environmental regulations in Alberta. In exchange, Alberta will increase its industrial carbon price, lower methane emissions, and support carbon capture and storage. Gilbeau, the architect of many Trudeau-era environmental policies, announced he was leaving Cabinet in response.
Starting point is 00:03:08 Well, first of all, Stephen is a great friend. Finance Minister Francois Philippe Champagne says this new approach to industrial policy strikes a balance. You have a number of conditions to make sure that Canada can be a responsible and sustainable energy producer. At Thursday's announcement, Prime Minister Mark Carney voiced his support for a new pipeline into the West. That's going to make Canada stronger or independent.
Starting point is 00:03:34 But facing dissent from BC, some First Nations, and Stephen Gilboe, other MPs, including Canada U.S. trade minister Dominic LeBlanc, wouldn't outright say whether they support building a pipeline. LeBlanc spoke to CBC Radio's The House. We want to make Canada an energy superpower diversify our over-dependence on the American energy market. I think we should all take a breath. What this MOU is doing is laying out the path for a discussion.
Starting point is 00:04:09 Energy Minister Tim Hodgson also urged calm. He spent Friday in British Columbia, meeting with Premier David Eby, who says he wasn't consulted, even though the deal with Alberta mentions his province nine times. Our anxiety remains about this proposed pipeline from Alberta. That project, even on the most often, optimistic take is many, many, many years away. It has no route. It has no funding. There is no company that it is advocating for it. The MOU says the Alberta government has until Canada
Starting point is 00:04:38 Day to submit a plan. In the meantime, the Liberals will have to defend a seismic shift in environmental policy. Kate McKenna, CBC News, Ottawa. Danielle Smith will need to do some defending of her own. Alberta's Premier is expected to face a lot of questions about the Ottawa deal this weekend as party faithful flocked to Edmonton for their annual get-together. Erin Collins has that part of the story. Together, Alberta and Canada are taking bold, pragmatic steps to build a stronger and more resilient economy. Thank you. You heard that right. A conservative government in Alberta over the moon with Ottawa. On the same page with a deal that provides a pathway to another pipeline
Starting point is 00:05:21 to the Pacific. A deal Premier Danielle Smith is pitching to party members at the UCP's annual general meeting in Edmonton today. I hope people today feel a lot more confident than Canada works than they did a couple of days ago. From cheers to jeers in just 24 hours on the floor here, party members skeptical about any deal with Ottawa. It feels like theater to me. Alberta is never going to be valued. So I'm hopeful, but I'm not really optimistic. A deep mistrust of Ottawa built into the DNA of many here, selling a deal with the federal government. No easy task for Premier Daniel Smith. I think there is a right for skepticism. I think if you're a conservative in this province. Colin Aitchison worked in the Smith government. He says as many as two-thirds of
Starting point is 00:06:13 members may need convincing about this energy deal. But Acheson believes the Premier is up to the task. I think after the weekend, when she's had an opportunity to really directly pitch and sell this pipeline deal to her members, that it's going to be a win for the base overall. Back at that AGM, it's clear some of that base won't be convinced.
Starting point is 00:06:34 She was hoping to get a sort of a victory on it to try and quell the separatist movement. That separatist sentiment uncommon among Albertans as a whole, but easy to find inside Alberta's United Conservative Party. I'm a separatist because Carney and his predecessors, they're interfering. And what this showed is more interference.
Starting point is 00:06:55 Of course, you don't have to be a separatist to pan the pipeline deal. The federal conservative leader isn't sold either. Isn't this pipeline going to be built in the year? Never? That position pitting Pierre Pollyev against Alberta's conservative premier on this file. This deal potentially creating a rift among conservatives in his party too. Alberta MP Stephanie Coussey seeming to back Danielle Smith, not her party's leader. If the Premier is happy, I'm happy. Again, I really think this all lies with British Columbia fundamentally and where it goes from there.
Starting point is 00:07:32 This deal has created some divisions inside Canada's conservative movement. How deep those divisions get and how permanent they are could depend on when or if a pipeline is actually built. Aaron Collins, CBC News, Calgary. Coming right up, the Trump administration says it'll restrict immigration from certain countries after an Afghan national allegedly opens fire on National Guard members in Washington. Also, measles cases are rising around the globe. In some countries, it's because of vaccine skepticism. In many others, it's the lack of those very vaccines.
Starting point is 00:08:13 And a battle over ticket prices between. between pop star Olivia Dean and concert Big Wigs, Ticketmaster, and Live Nation. Later, we'll have this story. As the holiday season ramps up, the buy-canadian trend might be slowing down. And on Black Friday, shoppers may prioritize saving money. A lot of time, the deals aren't as awesome as they sound, but they're deals. And if it represents an opportunity for a Canadian to save money, right now, there is a high probability that those Canadians are going. to close the deal.
Starting point is 00:08:47 I'm Ennis Haydari in Calgary. Later on your world tonight, Black Friday bargains versus buying Canadian. Donald Trump says the U.S. will stop immigration from what he calls third world countries.
Starting point is 00:09:06 That comes after two National Guard members were shot and one of them killed. The suspect is an Afghan national who was granted asylum in April, And today, the charges against him were upgraded to first-degree murder. Katie Nicholson reports from Washington. She was super kind-hearted, super sweet. In West Virginia, Sarah Bextram's ex-boyfriend, Adam Carr, struggles with her death.
Starting point is 00:09:30 Kind of in shock. Bexstrom, the 20-year-old National Guard member, died yesterday. She ended up being shot ambush style on the cold streets of Washington, D.C. DC's Attorney General, Janine Piro, announced new charges against the suspect on Fox News. We are upgrading the initial charges of assault to murder in the first degree. The FBI continues to investigate 29-year-old Romaniola Lockenwall. Officials confirmed he worked with the U.S. government in Afghanistan and was among the roughly 86,000 Afghans evacuated to the U.S. as it withdrew from the country in 2021.
Starting point is 00:10:11 Lockenwall settled in Washington State with his wife and five children and was granted asylum this past April when Trump was in office. A June Department of Justice report reviewed thorough multi-agency vetting of the Afghans who relocated to the U.S. U.S. President Donald Trump bristled when a reporter asked why he blamed the Biden administration. Because they let him in. Are you stupid? Are you a stupid person? because they came into a plane along with thousands of other people that shouldn't be here. In a Thanksgiving night post, the president vowed to permanently pause migration
Starting point is 00:10:48 from what he called third world countries, but didn't specify which ones. Citizenship and immigration also announced a full-scale, rigorous re-examination of every green card for every alien from every country of concern, pointing news organizations to a June proclamation from the president which named 19 countries, including Cuba, Iran, Somalia, Sudan, and Yemen. All states, regardless, have human rights obligations. In Geneva, the UN's High Commissioner for Human Rights, Jeremy Lawrence, with a careful response. Particularly when it comes to when there are protection concerns of people who have fled countries. The president and the vice president and the FBI director are trying to use this as a political cudgel.
Starting point is 00:11:35 While Sean Vandeva, who works with a charity that helps re-settle Afghan evacuees, says the administration is playing politics. Which is pretty crazy because I know that both the Biden administration and the Trump administration approved various things for this man at any given time. As the administration moves swiftly to take a harder line against migrants, the condition of Andrew Wolfe, the second National Guard soldier shot Wednesday, still critical. The man alleged to have shot him also still in hospital. Katie Nicholson, CBC News, Washington. The United Nations is condemning Israeli security forces over the killings of two Palestinian men yesterday in the occupied West Bank. Israel's militaries, as it's opened on investigation,
Starting point is 00:12:22 the incident was caught on video and appears to show the unarmed men being shot by soldiers after they'd surrendered. Tom Perry has more. In the video, two men can be seen emerging from under a large metal garage door after a standoff with security forces. Both men have their hands up and raise their shirts to show they're unarmed. Roughly a half dozen troops in green helmets and combat fatigues approach with rifles drawn. A couple of them kicked the men and then appear to direct them back toward the metal door. Then there's gunfire. Both men are shot dead.
Starting point is 00:13:03 Police and the military say they were wanted terrorists who had hurled explosives and fired at security forces. Islamic Jihad has reportedly identified both men as members of its military wing. But in Janine, families say the two men didn't have to die. It's a brutal and hideous incident, says Mahmoud Asasa, brother of Yusuf Asasa, one of the men who was shot. It's a crime because he's. surrendered. Why did they kill him? asks Rula Abdallah, wife of Mustassar Abdallah, the other man who died. The United Nations has condemned the killings. Jeremy Lawrence is a spokesperson for the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights. We're appalled by the brazen killing by
Starting point is 00:13:50 Israeli border police yesterday of two Palestinian men in Janine in the occupied West Bank in yet another apparent summary execution. The UN says, Israeli security forces and Israeli settlers have killed more than a thousand Palestinians in the West Bank since the attacks of October 7, 2023. More than 40 Israeli soldiers and civilians have been killed in that same period. The Israeli military and police say they're investigating the shooting in Janine, but Sarit Mikhaili, of the Israeli Human Rights Group, Batsalem, puts little faith in that process. It's absolutely clear that the Israeli investigative mechanism is unwilling and unable to hold Israeli forces accountable for these types of crimes.
Starting point is 00:14:39 Israel's far-right national security minister, Itamar Ben-Givir, went on social media to offer his full support to the border police and soldiers who fired on the two Palestinian men. These fighters, he wrote, acted exactly as expected of them. Terrorists, he says, must die. Tom Perry, CBC News, Jerusalem. The chief of staff for Ukrainian president Volodemir Zelensky has resigned amid a corruption scandal. The country's anti-corruption agency searched Andre Yermak's home this morning. Yermak is Zelensky's closest advisor and head of Ukraine's negotiating team at U.S.-backed peace talks. An investigation into kickbacks and money laundering has ensnared numerous top officials in the government.
Starting point is 00:15:26 For decades, humans have made progress in the fight against measles. But those gains may be slipping away. According to the World Health Organization, measles is on the verge of becoming the first vaccine preventable disease to make a comeback. The WHO says there are a number of culprits, war, disaster, and misinformation. Jennifer Yun reports. A packed line snakes surround a makeshift vaccination center at Mexico City's University Olympic Stadium. Thousands are getting vaccinated as a measles outbreak simmers in Mexico.
Starting point is 00:16:08 We have already vaccinated more than 10,000 people, says the university official leading the drive. Immunization efforts like this around the globe have led to remarkable progress in fighting the disease over the past 24 years, has a new report from the World Health Organization. Diana Chang Blanc heads the WHO's essential program on immunization. Measles' deaths have fallen by 88% since 2000. But Chang Blanc warns that progress is backsliding. While deaths have fallen, cases are surging worldwide, notably in countries where children are less likely to die of measles
Starting point is 00:16:44 because of better nutrition and access to health care. We are seeing signals of risk and alarm with the growing number of outbreaks. 11 million people were infected with measles globally last year. That figure doesn't include. include data from this year when Canada saw an unprecedented outbreak and officially lost its measles elimination status. Dr. Brian Ward is an infectious diseases microbiologist at McGill University Health Center. The vaccine preventable diseases are less dangerous when people are well-nourished and have access to good health care. But that doesn't mean that they are
Starting point is 00:17:20 not dangerous. Ward says mistrust and misinformation appear to be driving vaccine hesitancy among parents in Canada. want is to be reassured that they're doing the right thing. They're making the right choice for their child. And with all of the vaccine misinformation that's circulating, that takes time. In a lot of places, people really want to vaccinate their children. In countries torn up by war, conflict, and environmental disaster, it's about access to vaccines, not misinformation, says Dr. Anne-Marie Pegg, a Canadian emergency room physician who has worked abroad with Doctors Without Borders for 12 years.
Starting point is 00:17:59 There has been times when we've actually lost shipment of vaccines because of transport delays, sometimes because once we arrive, there haven't been enough personnel to actually administer the vaccine. The WHO says measles could be the first of the vaccine preventable diseases to make a comeback. Pegg says
Starting point is 00:18:18 health authorities will need a varied approach to beat measles back and improve vaccination rates, tailored to the needs of different communities around the world. Shadofer Yun, CBC News, Toronto. Singer Olivia Dean is having a breakout year with a number of hits, and she's hitting back at the company that sells tickets to her concerts. She added her voice to the artists and millions of fans
Starting point is 00:18:43 who have targeted Ticketmaster and parent company Live Nation. They're angry about high prices, high fees, and especially for giant markups on resale tickets. Mac Degabris Lassa reports. Olivia Dean took on ticketing companies and got her way after fans shared their frustration because of sky high resale ticket prices. The UK artist called Ticketmaster and its parent company Vile and wants them to be better. I do think she's part of a generation of pop artists that is inheriting this ticket master monopoly.
Starting point is 00:19:20 Liz Duff is a pop culture podcaster in Halifax. She says Grammy-nominated. Dean is in demand, having a breakout year. She says this is the time for her to put her foot down. Protecting the ability for fans to get in the door is a way that we're protecting art in a time where that should be one of our most important pillars of pop culture. Dean's call out did the trick.
Starting point is 00:19:42 Ticketmaster now says it's capping all future ticket resale prices of her tour and refunding fans who paid more for resale tickets. The platform says artists can use face value exchange. that would stop buyers from reselling tickets at a higher price. No word on why that wasn't in place at first in this case. Recently, regulators have been going after Ticketmaster. The U.S. Federal Trade Commission is suing it and its parent company for illegal resale tactics.
Starting point is 00:20:12 And in the UK, there's proposed legislation that would make it illegal to resell tickets for more than face value. So Ontario proposed it. Many countries have proposed it. Like we said, it's impossible to enforce. force because people can exchange tickets outside the jurisdiction. Pascal Cordy is a professor of economics at the University of Victoria. He thinks a better solution is to have nominate of tickets.
Starting point is 00:20:38 Because only the person who buy a ticket can attend the venue, meaning that a reseller does not want to buy the tickets. Or let's see, I don't want to buy 10 tickets if I'm not going to be able to use them. But some entertainers are coming up with their own solutions. The Savannah Bananas, a group that mixes baseball, and entertainment regularly sells out games in the U.S. It's launching a verified secondary ticket marketplace. Jesse Cole is the owner.
Starting point is 00:21:04 We've had thousands of fans who have been either scammed or have paid thousands of dollars for tickets. To see a family of four that could get four tickets for under $200 that they're paying thousands of dollars, you know, that hurts. It seems Olivia Dean felt that hurt for her fans too. Even after the Ticketmaster update on the situation, she continues to call on the industry to keep the live venue spaces accessible for all.
Starting point is 00:21:31 Magda Gapra Salas is CBC News, Toronto. Ottawa and the BC government are taking steps to crack down on extortion by criminal gangs. Federal and provincial officials are committing $4 million to fund a task force. It'll be made up of police and border services officers. Another $1 million will go towards supports for victims. Here's public safety minister, Gary Hernandez. Sangory. We all have a right to live and work in safe communities, free from threats and intimidation. One of the gentlemen I met this morning said all he wants to do is have a
Starting point is 00:22:08 peaceful night at home. That's not a lot to ask. And our responsibility is to make sure not only this individual, but all those across British Columbia and Canada are able to do that. More than a hundred extortion-related incidents have been reported in B.C. so far this year, including dozens of shootings in Surrey and Abbotsford. The extortions have been mostly aimed at families and businesses within the South Asian community. You're listening to Your World Tonight from CBC News. And if you want to make sure you never miss one of our episodes, follow us on Spotify, Apple. wherever you get your podcasts, just find the follow button and lock us in.
Starting point is 00:23:02 Today's Black Friday, a start to the holiday shopping season that began in the U.S., but has definitely taken hold in Canada. For months, retailers have been pushing by Canadian. Well, new data suggests Canadians aren't doing that, at least not as much as expected. Experts say there is something that matters a whole lot more than where something was made. Anise Haydari has more. Every second customer will ask where everything is made from. Louis Nandu is working the front counter at a Maker's store in Calgary.
Starting point is 00:23:35 Everything there is Canadian. I'm starting to realize a lot of people are realizing locals a way to go. But while Buy Canadian is catching holiday shoppers at Makers, that's not a universal experience for businesses over the last six months. at least according to a recent survey from Statistics Canada. The agency said more than two-thirds of businesses have not seen an increase in sales for their Canadian products. The talk of 51st state annexation has died down. Francois Neville is with McMaster University.
Starting point is 00:24:05 He says while by Canadian sentiment is still there, people might not do the actual buying when they aren't as provoked. That emotional motivation to perhaps lead them to take on a little bit. bit of an additional financial cost or a non-financial cost in terms of search time or inconvenience to find a Canadian product is not quite as strong as it might have been a few months ago. There are other motivating or demotivating factors as well. Canadian products can cost more. And across the board, payment processor Menaris says it's noticed pressures on how much
Starting point is 00:24:41 Canadians spend. It's being consumers, not necessarily pulling back, but trying to do what they can to keep their heads above water. Sean McCormick is a vice president with the company. He says he expects customers to prioritize low prices as the year wraps up. Credit to all of the Black Friday marketing campaigns because a lot of time the deals aren't as awesome as they sound, but they're deals. And if it represents an opportunity for a Canadian to save money, right now there is a high
Starting point is 00:25:09 probability that those Canadians are going to close the deal. Once Mindy heard about Walmart's Black Friday deals. So not buy American, but buy a American. into the American tradition of Black Friday bargain hunting. McCormick predicts it will be the biggest shopping day of the year. And according to the Business Development Bank of Canada, if at least some of that shopping is shifted to Canadian products, it could mean billions of dollars.
Starting point is 00:25:40 Pierre Clouroo is chief economist at BDC. We're not in recession, but the economy is slow. So the fact that Canadian will spend about the same amount for the holidays this year. It's not surprising. So what we are saying is when you make a decision to buy something, try to make a choice that will have also an impact, a bigger impact on the Canadian economy.
Starting point is 00:26:02 So even if Buy Canadian may not be as motivating as it was, Black Friday shopping could still put the Canadian economy in the front seat. Any Cedare, CBC News, Calvary. Finally, there were extreme wind warnings for huge parts of Ontario this week. week. But that did not deter Matt Vermet from getting a little fresh air near his home in Kingsville south of Windsor. Yeah, I said, I'm going to go for a walk, and my wife said, you're nuts. The wind was so strong, it pushed the water on nearby Lake Erie more than a hundred meters away from the shore. Vermet found something unexpected as he made his way along the temporary beach.
Starting point is 00:26:43 I mean, when the water goes out that far, you're bound to find something. And it was just really cool. I saw some birds sitting on a structure. I thought, oh, maybe it's an old dock or something, right? And as I got closer, I said, no, that's definitely a shipwreck. Vermet runs a scuba diving shop and says he's seen hundreds of wrecks in Lake Erie, but not this one. Bear timbers lying flat in the mud, about 22 meters long, the skeleton of a schooner. Vermet talked to some local historians who say it could be the wreck of the Deming or the
Starting point is 00:27:14 Overton, both sank more than a hundred years ago. Historian Robert Lynch says the wreck is on the northwest shore where the lake is very shallow, but can get huge waves. It can create havoc for ships. So more shipwrecks are in this portion of the lake than the rest of the lake. When it blows that hard from the southwest, it just shows the water down the lake. That's the time when you go to find things that you've lost, like ships. Vermet posted pictures of the wreck on his social media.
Starting point is 00:27:45 And once the wind died down, other locals tried to go take a look, including Jennifer Wright. And I guess a whole bunch of us are out trying to find it, and that's what I'm doing right now. And I don't see it. The waters kind of come in and covered it back up, and that's why we can't find it. So he was just in the right place, right time, and lucky guy, I guess. Lucky, indeed. And that's your world tonight for Friday, November 28th. Thank you for being with us.
Starting point is 00:28:14 I'm Stephanie Scandaris. For more CBC podcasts, go to CBC.com.

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