Your World Within Podcast by Eddie Pinero - Finding Your Sound - Sunday Special with Chris Moreno

Episode Date: July 26, 2020

In this episode I chat with Nashville recording artist Chris Moreno about his journey from a sales job in Boston to an award winning country music artist, having played over 150 shows in 20 states and reaching almost 1 million listeners on Spotify. IG: @chrismorenomusic

When I moved to Nashville two years ago, I started doing, again, these bar gigs for a living, starting with like the lower, like smaller gigs just like playing in a restaurant or a bar on a bar on a bar sole for three hours. And I knew, I said this to myself, I'm like, if someone can't walk into this restaurant or bar and, you know, see who's on the stage and think he's as good as Brett Young or whoever's on the radio right now, that I'm not there yet. That like that has to be step one. Step one is I have to be as good as these guys in the radio.

Otherwise, why am, how am I bring it? So, you know, I have to be just as good. And then I have to be unique on top of that. Welcome to the Your World Within Daily podcast. Today on the Sunday special, we have a good friend of mine, Nashville recording artist, Chris Moreno. Chris is he has been nominated for multiple New England music awards, over half a million plays on Spotify. 150 different shows in over 20 different states. And as, you know, I usually say most importantly,

just an incredible dude, a good friend of mine, and just stoked to have you on, man. Yeah, it's good to reunite with you, man. I was thinking the other day, actually, so it was coming up on the five-year, September will be the five-year anniversary of when I officially played, like, my first show as a singer-Solar's.

And before that, it was me and you doing writers' rounds, like the couple of months before that. Yeah, that's so amazing. It's about five years since I think I've met. I was going to bring that up. So that's been, I was going to guess three, but it's been five, which is insane. Five years, man. So at that point, we were in Boston.

And I think it was Craigslist, right? Like a songwriter's ad? Yeah, it was Craigslist. And I don't know if I, I think I reached out to you. I heard your tunes. And I was always looking for people who had a similar sound and feel. And I was like, oh, this kid gets it. He comes from that same background, and I felt something with your songs, man.

They were good. Yeah, that's so cool to see. Gosh, so much has changed in five years, right? Wow. So maybe that's the starting point, right? So from there, you made a decision to, well, clearly, well, neither of us are in Boston anymore, you know, but you made a decision to pack your stuff, to make some big drastic changes from the job.

and sort of recreate yourself, as they say. Yeah, yeah, it's interesting. The background on me is that I had a sales job right after college for 10 years. So, and about probably seven years into that is when I started picking the guitar back up. I always was in bands as a kid and in high school and stuff, but I quit it to go to college and become a, you know, get the real life job. The real deal. Yeah, yeah. And then I hit a turning point in my life in mid to late 20s, actually,

it was when I was like, man, is this kind of all there is to life now? And that's when I started diving back into music. And it was very gradual just kind of doing it on the side, right? You know, going home from work every day and just being inspired to write songs. All my free time is going to that. And so that's how I knew this was something worth going for. And, you know, took the vocal lessons, took the, songwriting classes and stuff like that and just tried to write my own stuff and eventually

started playing out and releasing it. That's one thing I've noticed about you. Obviously, you know, we talk quite a bit, but just watching your progression, it's like you take this stuff super seriously. You have an hour per day. I think it was an hour where you do vocal exercises. You're very meticulous about when you're practicing, when you're songwriting. Like it's very, very structured.

Yeah, yeah. I appreciate you saying that. It's so interesting because I was thinking about this today too before we hopped on. I'm like, you know, what's, you always question like, okay, why am I still doing this? What is it that keeping me going? And it's that journey of growth as a person, but also like within the music itself. And even though now I've been singing real, really singing for like six or seven years, it's still, I'm still wrapping my brain around the fact that it's a skill.

These are muscles that you are building. and it's coordination, it's all these things. And I think the most satisfaction that I get is, I was recently watching a couple videos like, I was actually watching a video from like a year and a half ago, not that long ago. And I'm like, oh, yeah, I don't do that anymore. I see, I see, I'm picking myself apart.

And I'm like, oh, this guy's not that good. This guy now is better. So it's like there's so much progression to be had. And that is what's exciting about it for me. It's just getting better year over year. That's awesome. because you mentioned that in the post. A lot of people think you're either born a singer or you're not.

And you're like, no, no, no, no, no, it's a muscle. No, I think, yeah, there's maybe a small, small, small percentage of, like, people just come outside and the cadale out of the womb. But I think, I think there's some things that are going to come easier to some people, rhythm and then obviously, like, you know, there's a lot of factors. But the singing part and the coordination, it's, it's reps. It's just reps, you know. Oh, man. that'll never be a false a false narrative reps reps reps right i know right like like arnold says it's all reps and sets or whatever oh no um yeah man so and what's interesting is we have um for the most part

kind of a we grew up listening to a lot of similar stuff yeah you know and i hear it in your music now obviously you're you're niched into the country uh uh space but i can and that's definitely prevalent but I also hear kind of like a lot of the Google dolls in Matchbox 20 and, you know, how do you as a creator, right, hold on to those things that are so, you know, they're you, they're Chris Moreno, they're what you grew up with. Man, that's such a great question and something I've just given so much thought to. And the best stance that I have come up with on how I want to go about it is that even to this day, I actually don't want to label myself.

So, you know, I don't have a record deal. I don't have a company saying, you know, we need to figure out how to put you in a box. So I'm not going to put that box on myself, but I don't have to. That being said, I feel in 2020,

I feel more at home in the country genre. But I feel at home as an outlier. And I say that because I have these influences. And when people hear me, they say I sound like Rob Thomas and stuff like that. And the Goo Goo Goo Goo Dolls and that kind of like 90s rock, you know, dot three, third eye blind. Those are so ingrained in me

and that's such, that music just hits me in the heart and that is, I'm always going to create in that spirit and I don't want to resist that. I don't want to fight that. But at the same time, you know, I want a current and modern sound

because I, you know, I enjoy listening to the newer stuff too. So I think the merger of those two worlds, which has happened organically, I think is, is something that I'm sort of sticking to. And I'll say a couple things. One, releasing music as an artist,

sometimes I'm like, I don't know if this song is worth releasing. I don't know how many singles can put out. But I will say every time I release a song, I learn something because it's out in the world and you're vulnerable and you're exposed and you have no choice but to then be like, okay, this is what I like about what I just did and this is what I don't.

You know, it's that act of like putting out music that you keep finding your sound as you kind of progress. Dude, that's so interesting. And I want to go further into that. You know, because I do with that as a creator, particularly on YouTube, right? And then I know a lot of these listeners do as well. There are times when you have this song that you think is going to be revolutionary and you put it out and you're like a little underwhelmed by the reception. And there's sometimes where you're like, eh, you know what, I'm going to float this. and it does super well. Have you experienced that and how have you internalized it?

How have you learned to be like, this is what I'm creating in how the world receives it? They receive it. Yeah, the more that I create songs, the less each song becomes like a precious child. You know what I mean? And it's like, it's like, and that's, it's so hard, but it's so necessary. You know, even Andy Grammer, I was listening to an interview with him for every, he's a hit songwriter. He knows how to hit, write great songs.

You know, he's basically saying for every 10 songs on an album, he releases, he's written 100. And that's at this current stage that he's at. So I do think, and, you know, Gary B is someone that I take a lot of inspiration from. And there's someone chirping in my ear to keep me on that sort of path. I feel like it's him. Because I'm someone who is a perfectionist. And, you know what, I take that back.

I'm not a perfectionist, but I'm someone who can overthink stuff and talk myself a lot of stuff real quick. And I think there's something to be said for meeting on the side of aggressiveness. Because like you said, you don't know what's going to really hit with people. You're going to be, a lot of times you're going to be surprised, you know. I think if you do something that's from the heart and the specific song that's come to heart, you probably know that that's going to work, but you don't really know what's going really like it's such an interesting thing to navigate.

Isn't it? It's, yeah, it's wild. So almost like, would you describe? it as a muscle, like that you, you become less and less attached. You know, it's part for the course. I think so. I think it's, you know, probably the same thing with like anything in life that has rejection involved, right? Like, you know, if you approach a girl from the first time in a year and it doesn't work out, you're going to be more affected by than if you just approach like six that day already and you're doing it every day. You know, I don't know if that's a good example

or not, but it's, there's, I feel like everything, man, is just reps. It's just, you know, and if you don't use it, you'll lose it, I feel like. And that's, I try to maintain as much momentum as I can't. Yeah. That's awesome. That's awesome. And what you're doing now, like, I feel like it's pop. And I tell you this a lot. Like, I listen to your songs, a lot of them on my playlist, so I hear them a half a bit. And they are, they, to me, they sound like top 40. stuff. Like they could easily be, you know, perceived that way. And there's a lot of simplicity involved in that. And I talk about a lot of my podcast, the art of cutting away, how hard it is. How hard it is. And powerful and to say no to so much to get to that simple, effective, yes.

How has that been? I know you write with a lot of people. You have groups, but you write a lot by yourself too. And has that changed your process? Yeah, man, you asked such great questions. Because we're just, we're on the same wave like you always have been. And it's like, and you're such a constant creator that you are asking the perfect question. So it's, it's, you know, it's, it takes a lot of studying, just looking at, okay, what am I listening to right now? What do I really like about it? And how are they going about it? And even though there might be a a slight part of me that's resisting to the fact that like we're supposed to get to choruses now with the 36 second mark.

And, you know, but overall, to be honest, man, I think I have the self-awareness enough to know that like I think I have something unique and different to offer. But at the same time, I'm well aware that I'm going to sound similar to kind of like what's on the radio. And I'm not going to pretend like I'm doing this something that's just like complete the out of left field and it's never been done before. Right. What I want to do is just, I want to make the music that I love and give my own unique take in my own, you know,

hopefully through the lyrics is when it really comes through and in the way you sing and all that. So I think I'm trying to exist within that sort of class, but have my own unique vision stand out. But not in a forced way because, again, I like to write songs kind of within that format of, you know, verse chorus, verse chorus, that sort of thing. and to me it's it's it's simply being honest is being as honest as you can and narrowing down an authentic message that is coming from here and that I think you can't go wrong you know so it's but it is it's it is trimming sort of the fat of your own songs which is very hard to do because when you're precious about your own songs which you all are you might think that hey to tell this story, I need to give you a minute and a half of just a verse and then get to my chorus.

But in reality, listeners is not, you know, there's something you can cut there. And it's kind of being real with yourself on that. That's awesome. That seems to be the spot, right? Because it's like there is, and we all learn this in some capacity. You want to take that individuality and that be the leading indicator always, right? To your point, you've got to be honest. But there's also this thing where it's evident.

works and you have to marry the two and that's usually where there's there's fireworks and for me it's easy because the type of music I listen to is it has been you know like I said if I was growing up and I was listening to maybe Google dolls or something like that that's that's pretty radio accessible but one thing I thought about too with your earlier question is you know I think if I sound exactly like what's on the radio and my voice is the same as this next guy I I don't have a prayer of ever making it nationally. I think that whatever it is, maybe it's the 90s rock influence meets the country for me.

Whatever is unique about me, I'm always trying to figure that out. Because I do want to be different. And if I'm not, I just don't think I'm going to be able to cut through the noise to the extent that I want to. You know what I mean? And so I think it's,

even though I think I have maybe a pretty accessible sound, I am always trying to figure out. you're out like what what is it that's a little bit different that this guy's not doing next to me and let's double down on that figure it up you know yeah well i feel like you have right there's there's that quote if you want to take the island burn the boats i mean you've done everything you've uprooted you're in in national different world you're around it you're immersed in it you're writing you're just it's it's just chris merino now what what is what is that done for you to like totally i mean what let me even simplify it what is being in nashville does

for you. That maybe Boston, you know, as we love it, it's home, but that Boston wouldn't have been able to do. Yeah, it's a great question. I think, you know, so I quit my day job basically the day that I moved to Nashville. So Boston was me working full time and doing music on the side. And I think since moving to Nashville two years ago and quitting the day job and now having 24-7 to devote to it, I've grown a ton in those two years. One, because I started playing shows as a living, I did like 150 last year. And that practice has helped me grow,

but also because I can devote time day in and day out to the songwriting and to the vocal practice and to all those things. I will say, I am surprised at how little time there still is in 24 hours. I would have thought, If you told me five years ago, like, oh, yeah, you're full-time, I would have thought I would have been able to accomplish so much in just a year. Yeah.

It's, you know, it's- It goes. It's a lot of monotonous things that you're doing. Songwriting itself is very, is a process. It must be validating to see you, like, I'm seeing you pop up on country playlist on Spotify. I mean, you're out there now. Like, it's, you know, because there's this long period, and you're right. I totally forgot that you spent a lot of time in Boston kind of making your way to the, point where you could jump. You couldn't just do it immediately. Yes. You know, there's a lot,

there's this precursor that people don't know about where you're putting a lot in and you're getting nothing. And so that's why I always smile when I see you pop up on these playlists. I'm like, yes, yes, this is incredible. And I appreciate the compliment and the reminder because I still feel sometimes like I'm putting all this in and not getting as much back. But no, I mean, I've been lucky to get a little bit of a fan base for sure. That's, that's, that's, that's, that's, to be coming diehard. And, you know, right now I think I have about 10,000 monthly listeners on Spotify. And, you know, I'll get DMs from people all the time.

You have over 12, by the way. You're selling yourself short. Too humble. And, you know, I'll get DMs from people. And they're saying, like, this is my new favorite song. And this song is amazing. And that's why you do it, you know. Right, right.

It's the idea that you can affect somebody the way that music has affecting you. That's literally why you do it. Oh, man. I love that. I love that. So how would you package it? Like, what advice would you give to someone? And by the way, it doesn't have to be music or video or creativity, but like, I refer to it as the cliff. You know, how would you advise them to compartmentalize that transition?

Yeah. Yeah. And a lot of times when I think about things, you know, if I'm giving advice, it's not usually in a musical context because it applies to everything. Whatever I'm doing now, whatever success I've had to this. point has been what I would apply to anything in life, which is basically like, you know, I actually, I actually like what I did as far as doing it on the side while I had the day job. Right. Building it up and getting it to a point where I felt like I reached the crossroads because

I had accomplished something. You know, I had released music. I had been playing shows. I had been building a fan base and something like that. I think, and when I moved to Nashville, it was pretty overwhelming. And I think to do that effectively, you need to have built confidence. I'm convinced, man, I think, put it this way. The guy that was five or six years ago that started doing this music thing,

I knew, I visioned, I saw what I could be. But when I watched videos from five years ago, I didn't quite sound like I thought I did in my head. You know, there's a lot of reps and practice that I need to do to get there, but I had such belief in myself that I knew that I was just going to get there somehow. And so I was willing to put in the work and make the sacrifices and stop going out as much with friends and all that kind of stuff. And, you know, it started with, hey, this is just as important as me going on the weekends

now. In fact, it's more important. It started with like something inside me. But I think the whole cliche about like, Just going step by step by step is very true. Like, okay, let's sit down and see how good you can get and sing. Let's take the vocal lessons. Let's try to write one song.

Okay, that song? Okay, no, let's write two. And then eventually you'll get to a point where, okay, let's go record. So I think it's those baby steps because, man, I'll tell you, I still get super overwhelmed all the time when I think about how I'm not where I want to be. But I feel really good when I think about where I was five years ago and where I am now. Yeah. Oh, man.

That's quite the, quite the sound bite, dude. I always think about that in terms of dancing before the music plays, right? Because if you don't believe it, you don't have a shot. No one's going to tell you that you're incredible and drive you along. Yeah, man. It's so true. And, you know, again, I was even watching a video from me just doing an acoustic set a year ago. And then someone commented a couple months ago and they're like, you really look like,

you belong on a stage now. And, you know, I was fine three years ago. People were like, oh, yeah, you can give a great look. You're awesome. But like, no, now, now it's, it's more unreal. It's more undeniable. And actually, when I moved to Nashville two years ago, I started doing, again, these bar gigs for a living,

starting with like the lower, like smaller gigs, just like playing in a restaurant or a bar on a bar still for three hours. and I knew, I said this to myself, I'm like, if someone can't walk into this restaurant or bar and, you know, see who's on the stage and think he's as good as Brett Young or whoever's on the radio right now, that I'm not there yet. Like that has to be step one. Step one is I have to be as good as these guys in the radio. Otherwise, why am I, how am I ever.

So, you know, I have to be just as good. And then I have to be unique on top of that. You can't copy them. So to me, man, day and day out is just, you know, to me it's those reps. And it's just getting trying to get as, trying to get as good as you can't. Yeah. Whatever it is. Do you, by the way, do you get Brett Young comparisons?

I've made that before. I feel like you guys have a lot of similarities. I mean, I think he's been definitely an influence as far as like I really like his, his sound and how he's kind of merged the pop world and the country thing. So yeah, I mean, I'd love to tour with them someday. It'll happen, man. Put it on the vision board. There's a really cool, I don't remember when I saw this,

but he's got on YouTube, if you go down his rat hole, he's got this channel where he does like, I might have sent some to you. Taylor Swift covers like way back in the day. Okay. They do not sound like he does now, right? It's the same exact thing. I have actually seen him back, yeah,

for six or seven years ago doing covers and stuff like that. that and that's another piece of advice man um this is my view maybe the most important is that um what what got me to move to nashville and what what helped me along this road with everything was not looking necessarily at like kenny chasney or the massive artists but look i've always looked at the artists that are like maybe they just got the record deal maybe the first songs and then trace back what they were doing. You can go through their Instagram. What are their posts?

What were they doing five years ago, three years ago? And then listener interviews with them and just kind of retrace their steps of how they got to where they were. And for me, all of them had moved to Nashville. And that's when I knew. And I could see why they did and what happened once they were there and stuff like that.

And while everyone's path is actually super different in the field of music, It still helps to look at people that are where you want to be. But in the social media age, we can kind of see like, what were they doing before they ever made it? You know, oh, they were posting videos. Okay, like the Brett Young example and stuff like that. That gives you a piece of mind like, hey, this guy, nobody knew who he was. His YouTube videos got 20 views at first.

You know what I mean? Stuff like that. Yeah, that's a beautiful perspective, huh? It's like everyone's been there. Yeah, everyone's got to start, everyone's got to start somewhere, right? Right, right. So how do you manage that? Like the top of the mountain versus the steps? You know what I'm saying? Like, do you, do you ever, do you primarily look at what's in front of you and just stay really focused on the minutia? Or do you ever look up and trying, like the big inspiration, what pulls you forward, what reminds you why you started to begin with type things?

Yeah, yeah. And I think maybe you've gotten some of this. too. It's like the more you're in the weeds, sometimes you do need to take a step back and remind yourself why you're doing it you know, and whether that's like watching another artist and watching one of your favorite artists and

watching a video of them and just like them playing to a massive stadium that you want to play some day or something like that. You definitely need to remind yourself of the fun part of why you're doing it and you know whatever it is. But for the most part I've tried to

to train myself to just you know I read one one book by this guy Aubrey Marcus and he's a big influence on me and he was talking about just man just trying to do three things in a day. If you try to do

more than like more than that you're gonna and this happens to me all the time this is this is the worst thing it's just you try to take you try to do 10 things in a day and basically you half ass all of it and then you you end up feeling this sort of anxiety like you didn't do anything.

Whereas if you just did one thing all in, that would give you momentum and you'd feel good about that. So how true that is. Like just when you put your head on the pillow at night, you feel like someone that crushed it versus, oh, I had eight things and I did three. Yeah. And this might be helpful for somebody listening to.

For me, songwriting, if I go too long without writing a song, I get this anxiety, right? Because I'm a songwriter. I'm supposed to write songs. Songwriting does not come easily to me. And there's a Matt Nathanson quote, who's one of my favorite artists, and he says,

I hate writing, but I love having written. And not every artist is like that. Some people genuinely love it. I don't. I love the feeling of finishing it more than anything, but I don't like the process. It's hard. That's so interesting.

So it's discipline to like. Oh, God, dude. I think to be honest. Okay, all right. I focus probably 80% of the business, and then the 20% is the creating the songs and stuff like that. And for me, it's like, all right, because I'm a little bit type A,

and I like to be on the go, and I like to just get shit done. Songwriting is like, okay, you're going to sit there and be vulnerable, and you're going to figure out what's really going on. You might get emotional, because those are the types of songs that I write. I don't write just like fluff, you know? Right.

It's either real or I'm never going to sing it. So it's a little bit of a process. And I feel like maybe that's unique to me because some people do love sitting down every day and writing. But that's a real, it's been a little bit of a struggle, to be honest. It's something that I'm still working at to try to find the balance of how to do it. Yeah. Such an important message, right? I mean, there's things we all have to do that don't want to do, right?

And then I'm sure the icing is, you know, when you get to play them live and be on stage and be on stage. Yeah, that's the meeting. Oh, man. That's everything to me. That connection of performing. Yeah. It took me, took me, I probably only realized that in last year or two. Like, okay, I'm not cut out to be a songwriter who writes 300 songs in a year, but it's worth it because I love performing.

And you know what? No one's writing these songs for me. I'm going to need to do it myself. So let's, that's right. Let's do it. Really cool. So now that we really haven't, you know, you couldn't be live for four months. You've had to pivot, right?

It's such a big part of entrepreneurship. And that's what artists are. That's what musicians are for entrepreneurs. Is adjusting and pivoting. How have that been? What changes have you had to make and how have you found that? Yeah. I think pretty early on in the whole quarantine thing, I realized that I'm not going to be an artist

that just goes off the rail or, go super quiet for two months. If I was writing an album, sure, maybe I would do that. But, you know, if you have fans in this, they need to be entertained now more than any time. So even though you might be tired, you might be, I mean, heck,

we're all a little depressed during that time. And I think that's totally normal. But I was like, you know what, this is going to be a good thing. I'm going to go live, started off doing a couple of them, and then it transitioned to now it's 20 weeks in a row.

I've done it, you know, I've done at least, one or two every single week, live on Facebook and Instagram. And it's been a huge blessing because I am stronger with my audience now than I ever have before. That's incredible. More personal relationships with them. It's more of a team effort.

And it inspired me to go and start fan club, which I just recently did. And, you know, I did that because I saw this momentum. And I'm like, man, I just want to get everybody in this sort of same place where I can communicate with them. share stuff. So I'm, yeah. I love that, man. I mean, in every crisis or catastrophe, there's an opportunity somewhere. And I just hit my cap for you finding that and really, you know, making, that's really cool. Yeah. Yeah, thanks, man. Appreciate that. Cool, cool. And then I wanted to make sure I asked, where do you get your inspiration?

Like, do you get it from other music or do you get it from different life experience, life events, all the above? How do you? What inspires Chris Marino? As far as the songs that I create. Yeah, yeah. Well, I guess your songwriting and, you know, the, you have to be inspired to be disciplined and keep going and go on like the way, like you do. And I'd be curious to hear about that. Yeah. I mean, to me, man, like, I mean, when I was a kid, I always knew music was something that I just, I think everyone connects to music.

But I like really connected with it. Like, it's just one of those things where like, you know, I would, even before I started playing guitar, I would, lock myself in my room after school and listen to music for four hours. Like, just like, it just made me feel, I don't know, music just has this incredible power. I'm like, it's just the most incredible drug ever. And the artists, you know, it can make the worst day be amazing. And you take the worst situation, like a breakup or some, and it can just make you feel like everything's okay and inspire you and it can make you move, you know.

try working out at a gym with no music and then throw music on. You can physically do like twice the amount. It's incredible. And so that's sort of the overview of why I do music. But I always thought to just be the coolest thing ever to be able to sing and affect people to affect people with what I wrote the way that I was affected by the artist that I love. And at the same time, for selfish reasons, you know, there really is nothing better than a song that, you know, I read a lot about relationships and stuff like that. And I've sort of tried to expand to kind of get this message that I believe in of taking chances and stuff like that.

I try to incorporate that in the music. But, you know, you take a song, like I have a song called It Was You, and I wrote that about a breakup and, you know, literally like, fucking tex. tears on the pillow, like while I'm writing the song, it was just, it was, I wrote it in a raw space, and it's my most popular song. It's got 300,000 streams, and it's the one that I get the most messages about. And it's an incredible thing that that is the one that's connected maybe in the highest level. But when I wrote it, I also connected to it on the highest level. So it's just this weird, crazy, beautiful thing, music in general. And I'm just thrilled to be a part of it. Yeah. I mean, You definitely sound like someone that loves your craft.

I'm excited for you, man. I really am. Yeah. And it was you. You wrote in Boston, right? Yeah. I really, being a Boston. Yeah.

Or based in Boston. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. It was, I had it, I had started writing it as like a love song and I had a chorus idea. And then went through a breakup and I just sat down one day and I was messing around and I just changed all the words words and rewrote it in like 20 minutes and just came right out. That's awesome. I'll play a piece of that at the end.

of this. Cool. Yeah, John Mayor had a quote about breakups and that they, they're great because they create the best, the best music, right? They do. Yeah, it's like the price you got to pay.

I know, yeah, that honeymoon stage too. When you first meet somebody, that can be a good time to write some, some good love songs. But yeah, breakups are, uh, breakups are a great,

great thing to wear. There you go, man. So what's, what's coming around the corner that, uh, you'd like people to know about or point people to or, or,

yeah, um, busy writing trying to make the most of the downtime that I'm not not touring anymore right now so I've got one song that's on deck I'm actually very very excited about it I think it's possibly my best song yet and then maybe what's the name do you know yet it's called it's called used to this okay all right and it's it's it just has this sound that I've been searching for which is a hybrid of like the kind of modern rock meets this pop country thing. It's just production-wise.

It just came out incredible. So I'm excited to release that. And then I'm going to just keep working on releasing more music. And just keep trying to take more at bats as far as like, you know, getting songs out there and seeing where they go. But, man, yeah, touring is a big thing for me. So as soon as I can get back on the road. You know, at the end of last year in the past six months,

before the quarantine started, was I transitioned from playing acoustic to playing full band. So that's been a whole other, you know, talking about like stretching your comfort zone, just like, you know, learning how to navigate that and put on the best show and all that. It's, uh, I'm always looking to, like, challenge myself to go to that next level of whatever.

So, um, but the putting out music is going to always be the consistent thing. So, yeah, More stuff coming soon. And that's Spotify, Chris Moreno, Instagram at Chris Marino. Yep. You got it. Awesome.

All right. I always say, you know, you're one creation away from a totally different life. Obviously, your work speaks for itself. You've been crushing it. I think you're one hit away from being a literal household name. And I mean, I'm calling my shot. I'm going to pull this back up in the next year. Yeah.

Because I think the world's even your stuff. You've been such a positive influence, man. I have to say, of all the people I know, like, you're up at the top, man. And you put out such amazing content. I thank you for all your support, man. Right, I got you. Appreciate, appreciate your time. And guys, make sure you follow Chris and hear everything good.

He's got coming down the road. So, all right, buddy. Bye, bye, bye. I don't know what went wrong, where we got lost, just. know that you're gone but I still see you wherever I go you're facing my rear view haunts me like a ghost and I can't just forget that it was you in the middle of the night the one that I'd always run to I hold on to those nights when I had

you by my side and was you when there was something that I couldn't fight through you were the one that I turned to to pull me through I couldn't bet you were by my side I don't know the fact that we both