You're Never The Only One - Tempted by weight loss jabs? You're Never The Only One

Episode Date: October 8, 2025

It's a big one AND a long one this week (oo er missus)! Since April, Cat has been using Mounjaro and has been open and honest about it throughout. In this episode, Cat & Emma get into the nitty gritty of weight loss jabs - the ethics, the results, the reality of being on GLP-1s - and we're not going to lie - it gets tense between them!If you like what you hear, then please hit the FOLLOW button wherever you listen to your podcasts and, if you can, leave us a 5⭐️ review!Got something to say about this episode or any of the other episodes? Or maybe you've just got a cracking story that you know we'll appreciate...GET IN TOUCH!Email: [e-mail]: [phone]*DM: @yourenevertheonlyone Follow YNTOO on Instagram, TikTok and YouTubeBuy Cat's book The Mental Load Diaries here.*If possible please keep voicenotes to 90 seconds or less!---------------------------------------------------------------------Thank you to this episode's sponsor Cover My Bubble - an incredible family run company dedicated to offering insurance services with heart. Not only are Cover My Bubble committed to raising awareness and helping families understand the insurances available, they are there for you when you need to make a claim. Please head to Cover My Bubble now and make sure your bubble is covered.

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Well, you can call it that. I like to call it the emotional support group with good lighting and sponsorship. I love the manifesting there for the sponsorship. Thank you. The group consists of you, me, and her, Cat Sims, mother, wife, author, and in her own words, addict.

It's true. Although as we've discovered, because technically she's on more drugs now than she was before recovery. Some I'm sure we'll hear about during this episode. It's worrying how much medication it takes to make me walk through, to help me walk through this world feeling and looking like a vaguely normal human. When inside it's like crazy, 700 fucking squirrels. You just need like, if you could just add like someone with like a Spanish guitar,

it would be like a mariachi band arriving like, do you rattle when you walk a maraca yeah so should I say what I'm on just for fun oh go on yeah so searcherline 100 milligrams a day

what's that for that's anti-cunt medication YouTube's always gonna hate us they're like don't swear in the first minute I can't even manage that we're going to bleep it out so searchally in 100 milligrams every damn day people are like do you ever come off it

No, you do not want me to come off that shit. Right. Elvance for my ADHD, 50 milligrams, that is the shit that keeps me going. Okay. If I don't take that, I cannot get anything done. Oh, it's a spiral. And then I'm in a coma by about 2 o'clock. And I will sleep from 2 till 5 and then I'll wake up for a bit.

I have some food and then I'll go back to sleep again. I mean, that is also on the come down if I forget. But after a while I'll be fine. But like, I cannot get anything done without the Lvans. H.R.T. Yeah. I'm on the gel. started on the patches.

Couldn't use it because I was swimming and saunering all the time they kept coming off. Right. Are you moving around where you put it? Mozing my arms and inner thigh. Oh yeah, okay. I alternate. Yeah. Try putting it on your eyebrows because I heard that apparently

if you put it on the same spot then you go hair. No, that's testosterone. I don't have any testosterone in my, it's estrogen gel. Wasn't, didn't you say though that this, it was it you that was telling me? Yeah, I've got Fizzinickers again.

Fanny Flutters are coming back. Wait, this morning, you know, No, stop, this is my bit. Oh, okay, go on, sorry, go on. Okay, so that, and then obviously the Manjaro. What's that? Oh, I don't know. Never heard of it.

Let me tell you all about it. Right, hello, as Emma said, so fucking loving being here. Although this morning we've been a bit salty with each other, haven't we? I mean, let me tell you why, though. Go on. Oh, God, I love her so much. Every time before we shoot, every single time she's like, does my hair look okay? And I always say, yes, it looks great, genuinely because I think it looks great.

And then we film and then she comes off the camera and she looks in the mirror and she goes, I can't believe you didn't tell me my hair looked shit. And so this morning when she came and she said

does my hair look right? I went, no. And then she looked at me as if I just, the fact is I can't say the right answer. So can you stop asking me? Is that it? Are you done? No, but actually that's not my roast

but that feels quite good. Anyway. I thought you said you were going to be nice to me today. I was, I have said because I did see you stark bollick naked this morning. Kira left. Kira left where we stay at the house.

She took her boys to school and Emma came down in a towel ready for her twice daily shower first of her two showers a day. Bearing in mind, Kat has the best room in the house. She has an en suite. I am up like a chillingly terrifying

spiral staircase which I risked my life coming down and up every day. We're there. Last night, the first time we stayed with Kira I took the room with the onsuit and I said we'll swap every week. She was like, okay great.

So this week I said you can have that room. No, no, no. She hadn't changed, Kira, hadn't changed the sheets. I said to Kira, have you changed the sheets? Yeah. In my room. Yeah.

Since I was last here because, you know, it's fine. I can just go in that room again. And I said, if you want that room, you're more than welcome to sleep in that, in that bed. I'm really happy to do that. You might, no, no, no, I would not hear of it. No. You were very forceful.

No, that wasn't what I said. You said something along the lines of. No, I didn't. Absolutely not. I said absolutely not. I know how sweaty you are. And then I did say, To be honest, if you'd have said you wanted it,

I would have reminded you how sweaty I was. I mean, literally, I shower twice a day. Of course you're going to want to sleep in my sheet. You, on an episode last season, told her how you woke up and thought you'd piss the bed. It was that wet. Oh, that sounds lush. I can't wait to snuggle into your dirty, pissy sheets.

And then the dog snuggles up against me. And when she leaves, I've got like a patch of her dog hair that's stuck to the sweat. Could be a male dog. Still don't shower. A little wet white, that does it. Right. Stop, yes.

But I did. I saw you absolutely start wearing naked. And I just want to say, first of all, along with the hair, I am never hearing you complain about your body again. Never. She has got probably the best bottom I have ever seen in my entire tiny, tiny waist, gorgeous. They modelled the peach emoji on your ass. It is the best ass I've ever seen.

That's so sweet of you. so saw her front bits too. I mean from the back because they hanged down. No, you turned around and you couldn't, didn't quite get your towel in time. I saw everything.

Yeah. Got fizzy knickers. She did say, it's like, mate, is Mercury in Retrograde or something here? You are being so nice. I don't trust you.

Something's not right. You're being too. It's like the plot twist that nobody asked for. You are up to something. It is scaring me. It's like when a husband brings you flowers for the first time ever.

It's like what's going on? It's, yeah, it's like this. Who are you? Okay, who are you fucking? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, what? Can I just say, this is like when the Disney villain kind of starts being nice.

Exactly, just before it all goes, bam. She's plotting something. She's stopped this nonsense immediately. Right, so this week, let's have a catch up. Go. I'm trying to rack my brains about what I can tell you I've been up to this week that I haven't already covered. Not much, but yesterday I was fuming. fuming and so I'm going to take this opportunity as we have this platform here to just say to all

the assholes okay all the assholes out there that think it's okay to dump their rubbish outside of their car into the countryside the beaches the laybyes and even actually even in the city streets no not even that I actually I hate you I have more respect for the fly tippers because at least you know what I mean at least they've done a hard day's work and they're just like, do you know what? The tips are, it's really fucking expensive. So I'm just going to dump it in this like really like kind of like pretty labour. But I have more respect for them.

But honestly, it drives me absolutely. And I've come to the conclusion like because it's always like like fast food rappers and shit like that. I've come to the conclusion purely because I had a Mackey Deasy the other day and I had to find a bin before I got home so it wasn't in the car. I'm sorry. So I figured. In the dog car?

Oh yeah, yeah. So you were worried. I can't eat in the nice car. Just to be clear. You were worried about a McDonald's smell in that car that I've been driving around him for the last 24 hours. And the McDonald's smell was what you were worried about.

What about the pungent smell of wet dog bollocks that lives inside that car? Does that not bother you? Correction, he doesn't have any bollocks, so they don't get wet. It's not... I love... Oh, God.

Last week, she turned up, and I had a car last week, so I didn't have to use her car. I had a car last week, she turned up in this really low... She turned up in her second, her other BMW, four by four. Two, she got two. And it was black and it had beautiful tan interiors and it was pristine and I was like, nice car.

And then this week I don't have the car. So Emma, I've been getting a lift with you to where we're staying and back to here. This week she comes in a white BMW that I swear to God is going to walk itself to the fucking car wash. It is offensive to sit in that car. Like, it's... Is it really that bad? It's grim. Is it really that bad?

It is. It's like my nostrils are stuck up Bertie's asshole. It's, can I tell you why? And that shit you spray does nothing. It's like confession time. So you know the seat, you're sat in the car up. You know the seat? So the day before I drove down here, I had Bertie on the front seat.

And it's anal. clowns exploded over the living. They were all dripping down. I got the jiff out. It's all dripping down the side of the door. I gave it a really good clean and I thought... You did not

give it a really good clean. Are you joking? I've been sat in a puddle of Bertie's anal gan juice. No, I cleaned it. I'm just saying I feel a bit violated Oh my God, I'm so sorry I'm so sorry

Anyway, back on track I did think I should hide the wrappers Can I catch anything from me? No, and it's not the smell. Do I smell now? No, Ben, does she smell? Ben. Oh, don't plead the fifth.

No more than usual, no more than usual. Oh, I've got a sweaty top lip. Anyway, I am convinced, I'm convinced, I'm convinced that people are throwing out these McDonald's wrappers onto the road. They are, they can't. I think it's because they're trying to hide it from their partner. Maybe that's what it is. No, I don't think it is.

If you need to litter, if you're so scared of your husband partner, whatever, finding your McDonald's partner and you think that the better option is to litter, you need a different husband. Do I literally watch. Oh, just stop and you put a fucking bin. Oh my God, literally. Do you know, I remember, and when I was back, it riles me being in the countryside, but when I was back in London, I remember being in my house.

That's grim. And I remember looking out the window, like doing this for the baby, and looked out of the window, and I watched this guy pull up onto my street, open his car door, and just proceed to empty. The entire contents of, you know, the shit bits down the door, all the middle side.

I was like, hey, put the baby down and I walked out. I went, aye. Because I couldn't, excuse me, so I was, oh. You went a bit Peggy Mitchell? Get it out of my pub. Exactly, get off of my road. I was like, Boy, this is a nice neighbourhood.

It was not a nice neighbourhood. This is a nice neighbourhood. I live here. My children play here. Get your shit, put it back in your car, and get off my road. What did you do? I didn't say that. I went, excuse me, sorry, could you just put that?

Please, I live here and, you know, don't stab me. That's what I went with. But can I tell you something? My friend told me the other day, which was the best story ever. So her ex-husband went up a little bit in my estimations after I heard this, right? So there's a beautiful place in, so you may know it, called Arundale. And it's... I do know it because it's where all the elves live.

It's absolutely beautiful. And it's like they've got one of these big, you know, like arches where, you know, the train goes over in the distance and the cows are all there in the fields and a river meanders through the river Aren. It's just stunning. Adds Arundel to potential places to live. Yes, absolutely. Good train line too.

Nice. Amazing restaurants. Shout out to the boathouse. Now, he was there and he was in Arendall and they pulled up to this beauty spot and underneath kind of where the railway bridge is it's lovely. Somebody had emptied the contents of their shit tip car onto the floor.

What they had failed to realise is a part of that. Stop it. Yeah. He packed it all in. So there was like a letter. A letter with his address on it. My friend's ex-husband was so incensed. He picked it all. up, put it all into a bin bag, literally drove 50 miles to this guy. The pettiness level of this,

it touches me in a way. Oh, I'm almost about to orgasm. Right. Okay, he took it, he dumped it on this guy's doorstep with a note saying, I think you left this. I, that is the best thing I've ever heard. I was going to tell you a story about an ex-boy from mine who was a cyclist and he used to really get cross when people flick cigarette butts out the window because you can hit cyclists with them. Yeah. And he was at a traffic light and it was red

and this guy flicked a cigarette butt out and he picked it up and threw it back in his car. Oh my God, that's amazing. I know. I really hate it. We do quite a lot of litter picking. Good for you. It's an uphill battle.

To be honest, I've decided now sometimes if I'm about to lose my shit I'm like, I'm just going to go litter pick. Put my headphones on. True Crime Death Podcast. Listening to one about a man who's had his penis cut off at the moment. Brilliant.

Do you know what he needs? It's called Devil in the Desert. Penis embalmer. don't listen to that podcast before you've listened to this one there and I go and I just pick up the litter and it's a I mean listen there's never not going to be litter it's rampant but it can be very soothing soothing very soothing picking up other people's shit

yeah but we've got the gear because the council gave us like a little you know the ring that you put the bag in have you got the sticky clipy sticky cling thing for what cling it's a thing they're a stick they're called a cling the cling they're with a K. That's the branding. That's the brand, the clean. Nice try. Yeah, I've got everything, got all the gear and somewhat of an idea. Okay, so did anyone see Brighton after the recent heat wave, Brighton Beach? Oh, I can only imagine. What's fucking wrong with people? I'm so angry. But I don't, I honestly don't understand how you can just stand up and walk away

when there's, I just don't understand it. I just think if you can carry a massive plastic bag full of like beer cans and bottles and shit down to the beach, which are full. How much more effort is it to take them back empty? I just don't understand it. Honestly, and the inflatables and kids stuff and I'm just thinking, oh, what you're teaching in kids. Anyway, it just, it piss me off

and I just wanted to use this. Listen, I'm normally here when you get judgy, I'm normally here to sort of temper it a bit and actually in this instance, there's no fucking excuse. Amazing. We're friends again then? Friends again. Wow. Okay, what have you been up to you? So I have been up, so I've been thinking, right,

I'm, I don't know, I'm perimenopause and. and occasionally I still get a hot flash, right? I'm on the gel, so it's a lot less. Is it flush or flash? I think American is flash. English is flush. Okay. Da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da.

Yeah? Brian Blessed. My husband does the best Brian Blessed impression. He met him once and he went, Jimmy, let me tell you about the time I was in cats. He does it better than me. I was going to say it. Not bad, though.

Who does that sound like? Brian Blessed. It's not bad. It's fucking horrible. Anyway, so I get the occasional hot flush flash and I have been rethinking the whole burning witches thing. Aha.

So I think throughout the millennia, we've been playing this game of telephone that has somehow become a little bit misconstrued. And the idea is that we obviously burnt women at the stake for being witches. I think, because what they used to do is they used to put them in water first to test whether they sank or swam.

Yeah. Right? I think actually they were trying to be helpful. And I think these were just perimenopausal women who suddenly broke out in this like unbelievable heat. And they thought, love, quick, get in the water.

Cool yourself down. And then they put them on the steak to dry. Just to dry. A couple of pegs. And then these, they just combusted. Yes. They combusted. And then they were like, oh, we've lost another one.

what we're going to do? I actually think that's what it is. That's how it feels. It feels like when it's this heat, because obviously we're going through a heatway, it's this heat, people are like, oh, so hot, unless you are, okay, I will also allow you pregnant,

that's probably it. Unless you are, perimenopause are all pregnant, you need to imagine timesing that heat by infinity that you feel that you're winging about. And then I want you to put all that heat in a really hot car that's been in the midday sign. yeah, a black one

that smells a dog analogue and then I want you to put that car in a pizza oven just go with it and then I want you to pick up that pizza oven and put it in the Gobi Desert and then we need to put it on the sun and then swallow it.

Swallow all of that and then you are close to understanding what it feels like to have a hot flush flash in this heat. It is unbearable. I haven't had one then yet. I thought I had, but the way to describe it. It's literally, I just turn out and I'm suddenly wet. It's awful.

Anyway, that's what I've been dealing with. Also, my eldest went on her first, like, school residential. She's year six, so she went to PGL. Six? She's year six. I was going to say. She's 11. I said, what?

What did I say? No, I thought she said she's six. Oh, she's in year six. They send them away at six now? Well, they did back in the day. How old are you? Well, eight, I suppose. But no, this was PGL.

She went for three nights. And because obviously I have quite a thing about homesickness because I had quite a traumatic homesickness experience at boarding school. I was like, they were not allowed to take anything with them. So I was like, if you're homesick, just make sure you speak to this teacher. Like whatever you need, dola, la, la, la. She said, I'm going to be fine.

Anyway, she comes back and I said, did you get homesick? And she went, I did get a bit teary last night. I was like, yes. Oh, you wanted that? Well, no, I didn't. I didn't want it. Because she wanted to miss you. That's what it was.

Yeah, it was a little bit of validation. Yes. I was like, oh, she doesn't hate me. It's like Molly's told me not to come to the sports day today. You felt a bit hurt, didn't you? And she was like, don't bother. You came to Billy Elliott for two hours, sat in, you know. I love her. I want Molly to be my daughter.

Satan's buck crack. And I did one line. I think you've done you at you. She went, the only thing I'm doing tomorrow is the javelin and I'm crap at it. So just don't bother. But you know what I'm doing? You're going to go anyway, aren't you? No, I'm not.

Well, I'm going to go and pick her up early. Yeah. Because I know she's going to be. So you're going to trample over a boundary, essentially. Why don't you make it shit? I'm just saying. No, because I know what's going to happen. She's going to see me.

She's going to be so happy and I will feel good in the same way you did when she felt. No, I'm not saying, I'm not, I'm not, you go do that. When you were homesick, when you go boarding school, sorry, we just have a little trauma dump here. When you were homesick at a boarding school, like, what would you do? I just cried all the time. I cried nonstop.

I was, I can't describe. Did you have the excitement of the first part of the term? when you arrived, or was it from the minute? First week I was fine. Yeah. And then it was like the reality hit. Could you call home? Did they?

They weren't allowed to, so they do the same way you're not allowed to call home for the first, like, ten, two weeks or something. Yeah. And I just kept sneaking off to the phone. My mum used to send me, because we had on mobile phone, she used to send me letters, just with loads of ten P's cellotaped to it. Did you not have the phone cards? No. Oh, we had the phone cards.

We had no, 10 P's, sorry, 10 P cellotaped, and then I'd put 10 P and I'd go, how it's me call me back. And then she'd call me straight back. But I was just fucking painful, loneliness, misery. Just fear as well. Like, just terrified. Yeah.

I think I gave up. I think that's why I don't call any of my friends. That's what I've said before. I was like, when I, February half term, I came back from that and I stopped crying. And I remember saying to the therapist, I was fine after that. She might, I don't think you were.

I think you just stopped crying because you're like the Romanian orphans. Nobody came. Yeah, it's like my mum wants to, like, have, like, why don't you, why do I see you talking about stuff on your Instagram? It's a real honest, like, very, being vulnerable. We've got a lot to talk about, so let's get, okay, not to shit on your vulnerable chips. But my, but my mum would say, like, why don't you, why do I see you talking about stuff on Instagram? And why don't you just call me and I'm like, most of it's your fault.

No, sorry. I've never done that. Sorry, Pat. I've never, don't worry, it won't go on the social cut. She's never going to see. This does not go on the social cutdowns. But, but, but, but, I was like, I just don't, I don't call friends. I don't call anyone.

Because I don't know how to do that. We used to have these phone cards, the green phone cards that you put in. And you could get like a 50 unit, 20 unit, 10 unit. I don't know if you remember. And then we learned that you could put clear nail varnish and you could like, yeah. The things you learn. Oh my God, amazing. And you could get more out there.

But it didn't matter because with me, I was calling the Canary Islands. So a 20 unit phone card. Done. So it was supposed to be a minute for each unit. But those minutes went down like seconds. So I'd call. I just be, hello. It's me.

Come get me. Go on. So then they were like, I kept buying phone cards from the school office and then they went, she can't do that anymore. The bill's coming in and it's ridiculous. So then I started reversing the charges and then they were like going, you can't do this. So then, you know when things come back? Yeah. And this came back about three years ago and I went, oh my God, Johnny, I just remember something. And he was like, well, he said on Sundays when everyone used to go to church and I didn't go to church, I'd be sat in the basement and there was a, on the phones there, I used to put 0800 and then any number I could and just call, and I'd end up

speaking to people in call centres. But because I was too scared to speak, I just used to sing. Stop it. I used to sing. Lionel Richie. Hello. Stop it. Oh my God. Stop it. If you were ever working in a call center in the 18s. I long to see the sunlight. Stop it. You didn't. That's the saddest story I've ever heard in my entire life. I found it so funny and Johnny went, that is really sad. It's the saddest thing I've ever heard. It's the saddest thing I've ever heard. Hello. No, stop it. No, you didn't. I've got like, oh. Oh, sorry. Oh, God. They're sorry. They're not all happy tears

days, are they? I just think, imagine what I must have looked like these people. This is all making so much sense now. Do you know what I got from it as well? And when I'd finished singing, trauma. And I'd finished singing, they'd obviously put me on. speakerphone so I'd get around the balls at the whole call center and this is where my career began I think the need this for podcast and selling ship on internet need for validation it it explains a lot um okay oh it's me it's me it's me it's me it's me it's me it's me yes time to dive into this week's topic time time sorry so I say that's lower time to dive no we heard all the words it was you didn't even say really the word episode

properly in the first part. Time to dive into this week's topic. Do it like Brian Blessed. Whether it's trending. I'll do it like you do it like Brian Blessed. Mine was better, wasn't it? Yeah. Time to dive into this week's topic.

Very good. Very good. Let me tell you about the time I was in Kat. Whether it's trending, tragic or just chaotic, we will unpack it, we'll overthink it. We'll pretend we know what we're talking about. And this one, I think, I mean, I'm really looking forward to this. I think it could be pretty divisive, but I have to say that I, we weren't going to cover this topic and we've dropped one to bring this in.

So I'm really pleased, if not divisive for you, definitely for us. So let's honestly, right, listen. Dig in. We're going to go into it because when we set up the topics initially, I wasn't doing the weight loss jabs. I'm doing one jarro, but the discussion around this in households. and chat rooms and WhatsApp groups and DMs and socials.

All over the world is this chat about weight loss jabs. So I am going to very quickly, I'm going to really try and get through it, talk about this. So it is a motive. There are going to be people who are upset about it. There are going to be people who fundamentally disagree and I get it.

But I'm only going to talk about my experience. All right. So just a little heads up, a little reminder from Year 9 English. This is opinion, not fact. The fact is empirically true. It can be empirically proven to be true. An opinion is just somebody about somebody thinks.

Can't be right or wrong. So, this is my way of thinking about it. Back in the 90s, we had, you know how they had this idea about social ideas being on a pendulum, right? And so back in the 90s, we were at the extreme, and we had waifs and heroin sheik, and we had Cape Moss and all the rest of it. And it was not okay.

And then in 2004, we had the Dove Beauty Campaign. Do you remember that picture came out? All those women, I think maybe eight of them, in white bar and top and they're all there. By the way, everybody thought it was groundbreaking. Go back and look at that photo. Why? Not as groundbreaking as you think.

Why? Not that diverse in terms of body. Like, very curved, like a bit curvy, but not actually is. But I think the shock of having seen such waif people and then this. So we started that. And then we had the Kardashians. They came on. And like, whatever you think about the Kardashians, they made big bums,

curvy bodies trendy again right? So we're like okay now you can have a big bum again that's great and the pendulum starts to swing

and then we get this body positivity movement which is absolutely essential and I feel a little bit though like with that at this point in time the pendulum has swung to this side and I think we've lost the space to talk

not positively but intellectually and safely about weight in a way that people are comfortable with. Like, I think we've got to a point now where women are almost ashamed to admit that they want to lose weight. And I think that's a,

I think that's a slightly dangerous place to be. Because I think that as soon as you start squashing conversation or closing down space for conversation to happen, you're causing those problems. It's just an extreme version. like I think we're there and I think we need the pendulum to swing a little bit in and I think it's essential we are able to talk about health and weight we can't do that either because I know that there are people like Brianie Gordon she's amazing she's got a cracking body she's just

done her like body age I think she came out with the body age of a 24 year old so she's not got what we necessarily call a by social standards a skinny body she's very curvy she's got all the gorgeous like she runs marathons in her underwear but she's got a very healthy body age so I do relieve, of course you don't have to be skinny to be healthy. You can be skinny and really unhealthy. But I think that we're forgetting that there are individual people who have an individual understanding of their body. Brynie is perfect. She's cracking it. She's great. For me, on a personal level, I've always been slim. I've always been athletic until I was 40. I gave up booze. I think my hormones kicked in. Food addiction kicked in. And I was three and a bit stone heavier

than I'd ever been in my life. And I felt every pound of that. And it wasn't even to do with my body because as much as I wasn't, I didn't look at it and go, this is my ideal body, but I never hate my, I don't, for all the things I'm fucked up about,

my body isn't one of them. I'd still get in bikinis, I'd still do this, that and the other. I mean, I didn't show my legs, but that was because of the varicca veins more than anything else. Do you know what I mean? It wasn't anything really to do with my weight

or how I looked in my body, but I certainly, I didn't like, My thighs would rub together, which is not a bad thing in and of itself, but it used to hurt. I was like, I don't like that. And I'd try and cross my legs, but I'd have to like, you know, and they don't fully go all the way across. Felt uncomfortable, like getting up. I'd sort of grown a little bit, like a man in a gym. And I wasn't as physical.

I wasn't able to be as physical in a comfortable way as I'd always been used to being. So for me, it was very much what I was used to versus what I was dealing with now. What about, what about fashion-wise? So I would say, I'd be lying if I said I had no interest, I had no bearing. I would say it's 15, for me, it's 15% how I look in clothes. And 85% whether my body is going to last me as long as I need it to. Because A, we're working longer, we're living longer. Our kids are having children later.

Well, I mean, I don't know about our kids, but women are having. having children later generally or more often and I was like I want to be a grandparent that can throw my grandkids not like at a wall but you know like throw them up in the air and have a fun run around with them do the trampoline I mean I can't trampoline now who am I kidding but do you know I mean and I wanted my body to loss and I was starting to notice other things I was starting to notice that I had really bad pain in my tendons which I had just scratched up to tendonitis I could not get rid of it, like Achilles tendonitis, both of them. I'd wake up in the morning and I couldn't walk.

I'd have to, like, walk, like, flat-footed until they eased up. I'd load of skin tags coming up, which, obviously, I googled, because this episode was supposed to be about health anxiety. Yeah. Also something I can talk about freely. But, and apparently, they're, like, can be a very early sign of diabetes. Really? Excess skin tags.

Yeah, I've bought one of those skin tag removers. I'm excited to try it. And in general, I just felt, and that was the overwhelming feeling. It wasn't, I can't wear these clothes. I know, I can dress myself. Like people, I can dress myself, I can take a good photo.

No matter what size am, I know what suits me, I know what I look good in. Like I can, I'm not worried about that as much as I am. I genuinely felt older, less comfortable. And I think, and this is why it's so individual, because I knew what I'd felt like all my life until this last three years, four years, that was hard.

Like it was the change. So anyway, I tried to lose weight. Back in the day pre-40, I could go, right, I need to lose a stone, I'll just eat a bit less, do a bit more, and I could do it in three weeks. I could not do it. I mean, it didn't help that. I had a food addiction, but I could not do it. And I suddenly said to Jimmy, I'm going to try this jab.

and I thought he'd be really judgy and he went give it a go and I thought oh then his second question of course was how much is it and I went don't worry

I'm going to pay for it by selling all my clothes that don't fit me on vintage and he was like well all right then and I it was really it felt really

empowering because I hadn't an athletic I know how to lose weight it just wasn't happening and I'd got this food addiction and I'd really struggled with it because for me, when I gave up booze and drugs, that was easy, because I could just, well, it wasn't easy, but like, I could abstain. I just don't drink booze and I don't do

drugs anymore, apart from the ones that are prescribed to me. But with food, you can't do that. Like, with food, you can't abstain, you have to moderate. And as we know, it's not my strong suit, you know, so I thought, right, I'm going to try this and I approach it in a very, I approach it in a way that is, I look at it like rehab for food addiction. So if I went to rehab for drink and drugs, I wouldn't be able to use drinking drugs while I was in there because you can't have any access to them, right? And so you're forced to go dry and clean,

and then you do the work, whatever the work is, 12 steps, smart, therapy, whatever it is. You do all of that stuff while you're in that safe space so that when you come out into the real world again, you are armed and equipped to live your life on your own sober. without the support of rehab, right? So for me, I was like, I'm going to look at it like this. When I take this jab, it doesn't allow me to overeat.

I don't want to overeat. It doesn't, I don't, I stop craving the shit. The real gift, and this is a bit of a segue, the real gift. And this could almost make me cry. And if you don't know what this means, you won't understand the impact of it. But the food noise in my head was turned off immediately.

I mean, not like Jab gone, but like within 24, 48 hours, gone. And for somebody who had lived with alcohol noise, which is I wasn't always drinking alcohol, but I was always thinking about it. I'm not going to drink today. I'm not going to do.

Why am I drinking today? I don't want to drink. Oh, I'm drinking. And now I'm shit-faced and I'm hung over again. I hate myself. I'm not going to do it again. Did you have that?

Was that replaced by the food noise? It was exactly the fucking same. Right. It was like, I'm going to eat healthfully today. Why am I eating seven? pieces of toast for breakfast. Okay, I'll have a good lunch. Oh, now I'm having pasta and cheese for lunch. Now I feel ill. Well, I might as well have a packet of chocolate hobnobbs. Do it all. And then just that constant. And it's on my, in my mind,

or it's like the fucking mental load. It's the same intensity. And you were exercising as well. I was, I mean, God knows what size I would have been if I wasn't exercising like I was. Like I was, I'm at the gym four, five times a week. I swim. I walk every day. Like, I'm not, it's not, I'm not putting the work in. Yeah. And so when that food, honestly, if I never lost another pound on this injection, the gift, the absence of that food noise has been such a gift. I cannot, I cannot begin to explain. Okay, so can I talk, sorry, can I just say, so the fact is that that is not something

you've re-trained your brain to do. That is purely the drug working. So if you were, so if you came off that tomorrow, the food noise would be back. So is that what you're in training for, or are we on this now for life? No, yes and no. So A, I don't know, because I haven't come off it yet. I'm still on the lowest dose. I got really good advice from a friend of mine

because I assumed that you did, they sort of sell it to you, like you do the lowest dose 2.5 the first month, then five, then seven. So I sort of assumed you just had to go up. And my friend said, if you don't want to, don't. Like if it's working, you don't need to go up. Also, it gets more expensive as you go up. So I was like, that's why.

Okay. And so I've stayed on the lowest dose for three months. I'm on my third pen, so three months. And it still works for me. I don't have any side effects now that I've figured out. to injecting my thigh and not my stomach that it was not pretty injecting my stomach the first week

shit show literally oh I tell you Thursday injected Thursday morning Saturday night I was feeling a bit queasy and I got about 11 o'clock at night and I got up and I was sat in the toilet and that was me I was there for a long time I don't mind that

you know I was like I got my phone I was watching something I was in a safe place you know everybody was asleep was fine but then suddenly I'm there and I'm in my hoodie because a bit chilly at night suddenly I get that like The rumble.

The hot flash. Oh, God. It's exactly the same really as the peri minute. You know that hot flash where suddenly you go clammy and you're hot and you're like, I'm going to puke. Like it's from head to toe. That like, so I'm sat on the toilet, the sink's here. Yeah. Pull off my hoodie.

Because you know, I'm like, at this point I want to be naked. Oh my God. You know. And then I'm suddenly just yacking into the sink. But you're on the loo as well? I'm on the loo as well. I don't think I shat at the same time. But I was yacking into the sink.

Nothing more humbling is there than doing that. And it was really chunky. And the sink's one of those flat. basin sink so it was awful anyway i couldn't deal with it that night i went to bed woke up at six in the morning and had to get a spatula because you got it was so i had to get a spatula and pick it out and put it in the toilet anyway so that was grim but one i did some research injections no side effects whatsoever and for me it works but now coming off it i'm doing a lot of work while i'm doing this so i do like another 12 step program for overeaters and binge eaters and eating

disorder people and things like that. 12 steps works for me. It doesn't work for everybody, but for me I find that really helpful. I've also been reading a lot. The best book I've ever read and I, it's changed my life is ultra-processed people by Chris Van Tullochan. Talks about ultra-processed foods and it really helped me because it said in the first few chapters it said if you're one of these people that really wants to not eat the food

they're eating but can't stop eating that food, you're not a terrible person with no willpower, you've got a disease, you've got an addiction. And that was what they said to me in AA. You're not a terrible person. You've got a disease. But also the food is made to get you hooked. Totally. And he said, this is overweight and obesity as a disease has been on a steady increase since the late 1970s. Yeah. He's like, that's not because in the late 90s 70s, everybody suddenly lost their willpower. Yeah. That's because that's when ultra-processed food started to come in. Yeah. He said, so this is what's happening. And that really helped, A, me come to terms with the fact that this was a solvable problem

and also helped me figure out how I was going to manage my eating because obviously I can't abstain from food but if I know that I can abstain from ultra-processed food I'm like I've got a plan you're right okay so I don't know whether the cravings will come back

I know people who have come off it maintained the weight I know people who have come off it and put the weight back on and that's not great because you lose muscle mass when you lose weight in general and then when you come off it if you just put weight back you're just putting fat on so you could find that your body

composition post injections if you put weight back on is worse than it was before you started so that's the other thing I'm doing I'm doing a lot of strength training and very lucky in that respect because I used to be like an athlete as a kid so I think you get a certain amount muscle memory and that I benefit from I don't have to do you know I've got quite good tone it's just normally hidden under an extra three stone but for me I'm approaching it very uh you know it's my responsibility to look after myself when I come off this and I don't plan on being on it forever. Yeah. But also, I think it's a little bit like,

I think people still don't understand overweight and obesity as a disease. I think they still think of it as just a consequence of your actions. And I think that it's a little bit like how people used to view mental health and addiction, which is like to put yourself together. fuck sake like just stop eating it or stop doing it and I think now we are very at peace with medication for mental health in a way that we wouldn't have been before and I think that this is a medication that

A is going to save the NHS so much money Yes and it's now available on the NHS It is I mean yes but I think you have to have a BMI of 37 and I think you have to hit four out of five weight related illness You know, through what's in the news currently at the moment because of the research and under the side effects of... I'm not going to get pregnant, by the way. I know that can happen. Pancreatic issues and birth defects as well.

Let's just, let me just say... Just on that quickly with the side effects. Yeah. Every single drug that you put into your body. 100%. But this, but this people are getting on this in a way that people aren't on other drugs. True, but this has been a drug that's around for 20 plus years. But it's going, it's going crazy and it's like, and people are not necessarily getting it through... That's the problem. you know, through the NHS or that's a problem.

And even with online pharmacies, it's easy to get around stuff like that. I've done it myself in the past when I got on the skinny pen, the Saxander. Years ago, this was. Yeah, so this was about kind of replicating the hormone that essentially tells you you're full. So it's different to Manjara and these ones,

but that's what it was. That was easy to get, you know, it was so easy to get. Other people are just getting, I've been offered it, people are, I can get old of it, yeah, this much month, how much you want it? I got a nurse friend, essentially the black market. I did it really legitimately. I went through a company called,

they're they're not cheap for me personally if i'm going to find a saving on anything it's probably not something i'm going to inject into myself although that being said god knows what i put up my nose back in the day it didn't seem that bothered then did i definitely still reading the neurofm the packet audio though such an idiot um and they have a very clever thing so i had to send in my passport i had to send in photos of me in my undies uh and they had they sent me a digital scale that connects to the app that's the only way I can input my weight. I can't do it manually. So I can't lie. Yeah. So once I get to a weight where they're like, you're done. Yeah. It may be that I can go, can I have a maintenance

dose? I don't know. Listen, I know you're doing the right way out, but what I want to dig into on this is kind of like, A, I want to know your take on kind of how it's coming across on social media because it's flooding my feed. Like I've had to put it in, I've had to put it in is one of the words I don't want to see coming up. I was very open right from the start about the fact that I was on it. And I did that for a reason because if you're on a platform and you start losing weight, people are automatically like, how did you do it? You've lost weight, you look great or what are you doing, whatever. Give me your diet plan, give me your exercise plan. And I did not want to be one of those dicks that's like, oh, just eating less and done more. Like that's not

honest. Yeah. Like I'm on medication. And so that was, and I was nervous. Yeah. about doing that? So why do you think it is people are not being quite as open about it? Because you and I both know that enough people are doing it. I think people feel ashamed to admit that they want to lose weight because there's so much discussion around embrace your body and don't know. But particularly when there's accounts out there who have, you know, use the body positivity movement to elevate themselves to the point that they are now.

But let's just be honest about it. Totally. People feel better when they are. Sima. Yeah, they do. And we've been so scared to say it. I think we are. I think that you're right. I think that you're very brave and I'm going to follow your lead. But I do think in general. I hate that I feel like that. Yeah. And I know it's because we've been indoctrinated with it for years. I hate it. I hate it. It's not being, it's not being. It's not being. That's the difference. That's the difference. That is the difference. For me, it really is about healthy. But I'm saying, like, if you're a person where it isn't. Yeah. You have to be honest with yourself about this. And I had to be really honest. speak to my sponsor. I had to, oh God, I mentioned fucking AIA again. I'm going to, she's going to dump me in a minute. I had to speak to people. Yeah. About it to really make sure that I was being, because I'm not generally honest with myself. Would you, this is my question to you, and you've said this to me before the podcast and you said 15% is about. Would you, you genuinely

believe that? I don't even think it's not much. I think it's more. I don't even think it's that much. I, based on what, how, since I've known you and how you've referenced your body in the past, you would talk about how banging your body looked but you never spoke to me about kind of how it felt do you know what I mean you were never like That's what I'm saying so how it felt is the health thing for me Yeah but you felt like you looked good in pictures And like when you show pictures

I would say I wouldn't say 20% No I swear on my life We can settle on 20% I've inventoried this I've done it I swear on my life It is the one thing I'm genuinely not that fucked up about Yeah I promise you.

And I think individuals have to be really honest about this. I think that you're never going to be less healthy if you lose a bit of extra weight. Like obviously if you get really skinny and all the rest of it, that's not great. But you're never going to be less healthy if you lose a bit of excess weight and your BMI, whatever you think of BMI is, it is something that they use is in that range. So I think health-wise, it's good. that my tendinitis has disappeared. And you were saying this morning I was saying about aching,

you're saying the inflammation, it brings that down. It's also, because it works with the pleasure reward system in your brain, the impulsivity I get with ADHD, especially around spending way down. That's mad. It's got so many benefits. It's got so many benefits. There are, of course, side effects.

And you're right, the more people use it, the more those side effects are going to increase simply because of the numbers, right? These aren't any new side effects. these are always side effects, just we're seeing more of them because there's more people using it. But why do you think people are lying about it? Because I think people are scared to say

they want to lose weight because I think that there is this thing where you have to embrace your body. And I think the problem is everybody who has a body wants everybody to be okay with that body. And it's like, I am not, my natural state,

if I ate like nothing but, like, as fuel, nothing for enjoyment right my natural state of body would be slim there are people who would be bigger there are people who would be smaller you know if we all ate exactly the same thing we'd still all look different you know our natural bodies are slightly different and I think we have to start the body positivity movement has done so much to educate women it is essential it's even essential that it's gone to that extreme it needed that I don't think women of our generation will ever fully recover from the 90s if I'm honest but I do think that it needed that but I also think that all that learning that they've given us, they need to let go of us a little bit and

let us put that into practice. And that might look different. It might not be, I'm totally happy at a size 14 or 16. It might be, I'm going to be happier in myself, how I look, how I feel at a size 10 to 12. And if you're doing it because, and this is what I'm saying, I'm doing it because I know I am more comfortable, I feel better at a lower weight. But I think that's the thing. My healthy, comfy weight is completely different. This is somebody else's healthy comfy weight. I don't think a focus should be on I am healthier at a size 14, 12, whatever it should be.

No, I mean, you can need to change that. But I mean, this is the mindset, I think, that we need to be in it. It's like, do you know, because I think I know, the bigger I am, the harder I find it to motivate myself to exercise. Yes. To work, to move through the world. Like, own it and just be like, you know what, I don't feel good about how I look. You know, if this is driving me to... No, but this is what I'm saying. You've just said how I look.

Yeah, I know, that's what I'm saying. Whereas I would say, I don't feel good about how I feel. Yes, but it's all inculminated. And this is what I'm saying, it shouldn't be about how, oh, you know, I feel better at a size 14 or a size 12. It should be, I feel healthier at a size 12. So, funnily enough, one of the questions... So let's incorporate the health within the kind of body... Because I don't feel the body positivity has focused on that.

No, because they can't... On the health side of it. I don't think it has. It's still been about the visual. Because it undermines a lot of what they're saying. That's the difficulty. There is a, you know, it is a fact, not for everybody, but certain people who are severely overbeats,

overweight, no obese, or obese, whatever, they are scientifically going to have medical side effects of that weight. Right. That is a fact. Right. That doesn't mean that you can't be bigger and healthy. You absolutely can. But the bigger you are,

the more medical issues you're going to have. So that's a very difficult conversation to have because we only talk on the internet and there's no fucking nuance on the internet. So it's difficult to have that. And it's the same from the other side. People who are skinny and gym bunnies and all the rest of it,

like you're just not healthy, like you're just lazy. It's not true. Like, it's not that cut and dry. Yeah. Which is why we need to let women on their own individual level make that decision for themselves. I get, the two things I get asked the most, why you want it, you didn't need it,

which is a really interesting one. A, listen, I'm not the, I don't think there's anybody who posts pictures themselves on the internet post one and puts that on. Like, I'm posting a good picture. Yeah. I know how to dress. Also, I carry weight pretty well.

it's fairly evenly spread and I'm big boned that's not a joke like I actually have we've talked about this you just got a little bird bone here I've got like something Bertie would like to chew on do you know and I've got quite a lot of muscles so I'm always I was 85 kilos when I went on Manjaro which is just over 13 stone yeah I was five foot six so I had a BMI of 29 30 so I was overweight at 30 years obese onwards now this is the thing I didn't look what society thinks of as obese but for me I was carrying weight that was making me not healthy so whatever you think I think we we have this idea of like obese looks like this overweight looks like this healthy range looks like this underweight looks like this that's why the bMI scale doesn't

work because we are approaching it with a visual and actually it's not it's not a visual yeah it's it's about naming a disease and overweight and obesity are diseases yeah so for me so that's the first question I get asked I was a weight that was not healthy from my body yeah the second question I asked is how are you doing dealing with it with your girls because I have two girls and my biggest fear when they're going through high school isn't drinking drugs I can deal with that shit. It's eating disorders and self-harming. 100%. So I said to Jimmy, we had a big chat about this as well before I went on it and he said, how are we going to deal with it? He was like, I don't want you to tell the girls. And I said, a, already I'm like being dishonest. Like,

I'm not going to say, so we agreed. I wasn't going to mention it until they came to me and perhaps said, oh, you have lost weight or, you know, whatever. And funny enough, Billy the other day came and said, Mommy, you've lost weight. And I was start bollick naked. so you know did she say you've lost weight and did she say you're looking really good at the moment she just said you've lost weight right okay and I said yeah I have I said um I have been eating better true yeah doing more exercise yeah so true and I said and I'm taking a medication to help me get healthier with my weight because I'm 40 over I wish I was 40 I'm over 40 things happen your hormones slow down it's harder to lose weight and I didn't want to be

unhealthy and I felt a bit unhealthy so they've got this medication to help me and she was like oh okay fine I did I don't even think she really yeah took it but we've always talked about healthy food we've always talked about healthy bodies I've never you know mentioned anything other than you know let's go for a walk it's really fucking good for our heads you know I walk for my head not for my ass yeah all of that stuff is true and I can't protect them from everything but for me and this is for me I want to show them

that I am healthy enough to have a body that lasts me as long as I need it to and that I swear to God I know you want me to up it to 20% if I was really honest I'd probably down it to 10 but 15 feels like

I it I, listen, I'm fucked up. I can't take a fucking glass of wine. Do you know what I mean? It's like, I'm not perfect, but with my body, I'm very lucky. Yeah. I also trust, because I was so sporty and athletic

and active as a kid, that when I do lose the weight, my body's there for me. Yeah. Like it's fit and it's healthy and I, you know, I really think if you're not a really active kid who just builds up that, I mean, I had six pack and as a kid

and all the rest of it. Like that doesn't fully go away ever. Yeah. But I, for me, it's the right decision. And I don't, I think I worry that people don't want to do it because they're like, it's sort of some sort of shame. Because it's like lazy or it's easy. Let me tell you, it's fast.

It's not easy. Like, it isn't easy. There are some things that I, like, I do get very lightheaded sometimes. I've witnessed that. I did have one, didn't I last night? Yeah, yeah. Do you get very lightheaded. not all the time mostly if because I don't feel hunger

I like the fact that you also it's like I eat three meals a day yeah and you're not and you're not saying oh I'm full you're just like I've just had enough it's not like you feel like oh I can't eat any more I don't have enough and you're not craving this like chocolate and stuff the sweet stuff content satisfaction yeah never felt in my entire life so we've had this conversation and I eat three meals a day and you do and you know and I'm with her you get up you exercise

it's not just for show on Instagram you she does it And it's like, and I love that. And, you know, when I've said to you, the food noise thing, when you talk about, God, if I never lost another pound, you know, and just got to that food noise, that appeals to me on a way, I honestly, like, viscerally, I'm just like, that sounds incredible. And I feel like I have to wake up every day and fight with myself to go, don't go on it, don't go on it.

You don't need to go on it. I'm trying so hard to kind of, because I, you know, I feel like I'm living a really healthy lifestyle. This is the thing. I feel like I'm living on a really healthy lifestyle but still What's the resistance? Because

I'm not I'm genuinely interested because Obviously I keep saying to you Just get on the fucking jab Because I spoke to like when I spoke to about this in the last episode it's like I have to go to extremes And I love the fact you're doing

But you can't on the jazz Yes but if I start it I'm on it for life then I'm on it for life Well why is that different to being on Medicaid on surgery lean for life. I mean, it's probably like in the same way where I, I don't know, I just feel like I need to do it without it. I need to prove to myself I can do it without it.

But the problem is my body is not reacting in the same way. But if somebody had like cancer and said, I'm not doing chemotherapy, I'm going to fight this myself. Yes, but it's not cancer, is it. It's about, it's about, but I'm, but I am healthier than I've ever been. I'm stronger. Totally, but you yourself. I'm going to live for longer because of my self.

But if we talk about the weight. It is about how I look. Right. So if we talk about that. Yeah. And we, and you do. everything well, yeah, you eat well, you do exercise, all the rest of it, and you're still not at the weight you want. Yeah. That is not you. That is maybe your age. Maybe it's

portion, maybe it's all sorts of things. You know, why not take the medication that will help you get to where you want to go? Because of the reasons why I want to go there. Because that's, okay, that's great. That's you being honest. Do you know what I mean? That's like, hold on a minute. Like, this should be okay. My kids should see that this size, I'm healthy, they see my lifestyle, they see all that kind of thing. They know, you know, that I'm careful.

But it's also okay if it's not okay. Yeah, I know what you're saying. But then we're all just going to end up as these like skinny women walking around. But if everybody's going to go on it. Then think about how much money the NHS is saved. That side of it I get. But what I'm saying is, is it's there.

It's only people who are severely, who are ill. People with eating disorders. People who are super skinny who are on it. like that that is not okay it's not okay but if you and i understand like what i'm saying this is where the nuance comes and i get this where the nuance comes right what i'm saying i'm not saying i'm judging them for that i'm not like if people are super skinny and they want to be on these jokes like with respect there's probably an illness there right there's something going on but if you are feeling over curvier overweight whatever and you want to lose that weight

it is not you're not a lazy person who dives head first into six bars of chocolate and a bottle of wine every night it is not something that you are doing it is the way our bodies are reacting to the ultra-processed foods

that we've been putting into them for years the way our bodies are reacting to hormones and you get to a certain age and suddenly it is not as easy anymore and I am sick and tired of women being made to feel like they have to be unhappy in their bodies A, they're not allowed to say that they're unhappy

and B, they then have to stay with it because otherwise it's bad. But that's not dealing with the root of why they're unhappy. No, and that's your job when you're on it. That's the rehab part of it. That's what I do. Yeah, I know, but isn't that going back to again what we have been, it's ingrained in us

that this is how you should look? No, because you can want to be slim for your health and to look nice in your own view without it being because you want to be Kate Moss. I think the majority of people are not doing it because of their health. I don't think it fucking matters. I think they can do it for whatever reason they want. If they're not ill and they're not abusing it

and it is getting them into a place where they feel healthier and they look better and they feel better, why are we making people feel bad about this? Like I get so angry about this. A, get out of everybody else's fucking business. If people are not abusing it and they're not ill and they don't have an eating disorder and they are allowed to be happier

because they are slimmer and they are allowed to be happier because they are wearing a smaller pair of jeans. It doesn't mean, doesn't make them selfish, doesn't mean that they've been bullied into society, it means that they are allowed that. And I'm really, really passionate about this.

No, I know, I love it. Because I hear you, with all love. I hear you and I know you and I know how unhappy you are about your body. I mean, I'm not that unhappy about it. Well, it's something, but it's, I think it's just, I find a disheartening, because it's like, my God, you know, we know we get to this age where it's like, fuck, I can't eat what I wanted. Oh, I can't, like, my stomach doesn't react in the same way. Like, yes, it is, so it is, so it is, so, for, like, that's your own fucking fault, the medication's there.

But I can, I don't think, I couldn't legally get it. You said that, because we looked at it, didn't we, the height and working out the BMI, I couldn't get it anyway. What was your BMI? I can't remember that. That's numbers. You know what I'm at my number. I reckon if you're above 27, you can probably get it. But you, and actually now, it's not even a question of it's taking it away from diabetics or whatever.

No, no. You know, they're producing it. I tell you what. Like, whoever's making Manjaro. Oh my God. It's now worth more. I know it's end up it's worth more than Coca-Cola. It's worth, I mean, everyone's going to be on it.

Everyone's going to be on it. But here's the thing. Yeah. It's going to make the global health of the population. A hundred percent. 100%. But this, again, the nuance. That, I'm so behind, but this, I can only talk from my personal perspective and that's what this is about. You're never the only one. So I can't be the only one that feels like that.

I just think that you're overthinking it. Yeah, well, I mean, I am overthinking it. Unfortunately, I'm thinking about it every fucking morning when I wake up. Shall I just stab you in your sleep? Would you mind? No. Who is going to sit here and love you the way that I do, no matter how big or small you are? But here's the thing, like you, I love you and I think, think you're beautiful and as I said at the beginning I saw you start bullet naked, she's got a cracking figure. It's not up to me to decide whether your figure's cracking

or whether I think you should want to lose weight or not. It's not on me. It's up to you. And those reasons, as long as you know that you're not going to be like an anorexic abuser, whatever, God, I'm sorry to everybody's anorexic, I'm not trying to make it sound like, I'm not trying to undermine it all. But like, it is not unhealthy or mentally ill of you to want to be a bit smaller.

No. And even if you do want to do it because you've been conditioned by the 90s, even having an awareness of that and keeping that in mind is fine. Yeah. Like that's the 15%.

I know that's there. I mean, this goes back to the advice you're always giving me about kind of not my problem, but I think there's a part of me I probably get a bit riled when I'm like, okay, I'm a little bit more... So you're funny, you're one of two things.

You're either like, in everybody's business making it your responsibility, like, to fix everything. And I'm like, it's none of your fucking business. No, no, no, but my mum said, no, whoa, whoa, whoa, blah. It's not your fucking business. They're growing people, like, let them fight out. I'm going to fuck sake, I can't keep saying it. Let them. Yeah.

This is the other, we need to talk about that briefly as well. Or, or you don't realize it's your problem. I'm like, that's not your problem. It's so true. This is your fucking problem. It's so true. I'm like, no, this is you. Listen, right, listen, we're running at time.

We said it, I said it would be divisive and I was right. Right, what are the emails? I'd love to hear what people are saying about this. So we've got emails from Sam, oh, I forgot about this bit, yeah, right. From Sam, just saw your message on Instagram about wanting feedback about weight loss jabs. My nurse told me she would like me to try them as I'm very overweight and a type 2 diabetic. I have fatty liver, so perfectly, obviously, legit. Fatty liver, high blood pressure to almost likely attributed to my weight.

I was nervous, especially as some of the opinions of people are strong. I've seen, I was nervous. This woman is ill, because she's nervous. Bless her. It's not right. I've seen posts by friends slating them. Oh, slating them. So this embarrassed me.

I feel that I am cheated. This is what makes me so mad. I know. It's going to make you mad. And so I have only told a few people that I'm on them. I've heard from people who haven't even told their husband. I'm on Monjaro. I managed to lose some weight before going on to the jabs, but now I've lost five stone in nine months.

My quality of life is better. I can walk my dog more, and that is life changing, as I felt so guilty every day that I was struggling to walk her as far as I used. used to be able to. But this is who it was made for. Right. Okay. People like Sam, that's who it was made for. Hang on. A few weeks ago. Initially. So God, why is she

feeling guilty? That's like... But that's how far this is gone. But that's because people are incensed by the people that are using it for reasons that aren't this. Well, that's none of their fucking business. I agree. I agree with what you're saying. I'm not showing at you. I'm just shouting at the concept. I know. She says,

I've had such positive time since starting the jabs. Hope this will continue. To be able to call my mom and tell her I'm not diabetic anymore. We're so amazing. That's amazing. My life's going the right way. I still have weight to lose, but I'm pleased and grateful to be on the jabs. P.S. I love you too so much. Cheer me up. No end. You talk perfect sense about most things. Most things. Most things. Not all things. Hello, Cat and Emma. So happy you both are back. My mother has suffered with yo-yo dieting her whole life and has done every form of weight loss group and fad diet. A lifetime of this means she has terrible

relationship with food. And I was raised to think that you are either being good on a diet or bad on a diet. We all were. I asked if I could look something up on her phone and saw that she'd been watching a video on YouTube about a woman and her Manjaro journey. Since then, about five months has passed and my mum has lost around six stone. When, pardon me, when staying with her one weekend, I saw buried within the bottom of her fridge with two Manjaro injections. I don't have an issue with her being on the jabs. Good, because none of your fucking business. As I believe the, people need to realize. I believe the effects of those outweigh the lifetime of being obese. I believe if they can help stop the cravings and reduce the hunger for you to learn good food habits and this

should stop the yo-yo dieting. I am pro weight loss jabs. My mother, however, refuses to admit that she is on it. I'm not surprised. Everybody's so fucking mean about it. She will still order takeaways. Let her just have a thing. And eat terribly whilst boast, none of your business, while boasting how she lost three pounds this week, I meant to cheer up and applaud our hard work. That doesn't bother you. No, it's none of my business. People want to behave badly or make silly choices, whatever. Fucking let them. It doesn't affect me. I need this. I need to be more like this.

Who am I? I'm not God. Who am I to say that you should need a takeaway? Honestly, it's amazing. It gets so cross. Anyway. What else does she say?

It's six and nine men, she's not telling anybody. I believe her, hang on. I meant to cheer and applaud her hard work. Yeah, do you know what? Do it? How wonderful would she feel

if you just went? Good job, ma'am. You look great. Good job for making that choice. Like, what choice? The Manjaro choice. Taking medication for an illness that you have. The takeaway.

Why can't she have? take away? Because aren't you, isn't it about retraining your brain? Isn't that what you're saying? What if she decides to be on it for life and enjoy takeaway every Saturday? Oh my God, that sounds amazing. Right? I know. The fucking point. What's every problem? Yes, you are cheer up at hard work.

You're not her fucking dietitian. When I asked her how she lost the weight, she said it was purely through counting calories. Well, now that's a lie. But again, but you're not there. No, you're not there to take her inventory. So you just have to go, okay. You know, you know you. It does frustrate me. I understand that. Like, I understand if somebody's lying to you.

Also, why don't you just ask her? Why don't you just go, mum, I found the pens. Like, I'm fine with it. I'm really happy to support you. You don't need to hide it from me. My friend, her sister and husband, have been doing, like, on a diet, trying to lose some weight together.

And he... Oh, I can't think of anything worse than doing something like that when my husband. Oh, no, I wish Johnny would do, like, healthy eating with me because it would be so much easier than cooking, like, three different meals every night. But she was like, I don't know why it is

that he's, like, doing so much better than me. and then open the glove compartment and there was his prescription there in the glove compartment. The thing is, I think I understand why people lie. Like I do get it. We've talked a lot about it. Yeah, that's a betrayal, so it's different, isn't it? Yeah, because of course they're doing it together.

I understand why people are, yeah, that's fucking sly. I understand. I don't think that we can judge people for making that decision because the evidence suggests that people are unkind to people who are on it. People decide that they can get into people's business and tell them that they should or shouldn't be on it. But I just think, okay, okay, sorry, sorry. That being said.

I think, I think if you're doing it to change your life for the better, this is just my opinion, to lose weight, to be healthy, to be around for your kids for longer, fucking go for it. That's amazing. But I just don't think. Some people are more private, though. Like, it's with the anonymous stuff. Like, some people never break their anonymity to anybody.

You know, they're in the program for their whole life and their husbands don't know. you know that's right for them it's also okay for people to keep it a secret like if they don't want to tell their friends and family I mean it's not me yeah it's not their problem that it makes us feel like yeah so we've got a couple of voice notes

and then Ben's getting itchy he's getting itchy bum hole because he knows he's got somebody coming in and we aren't finishing but I will do a couple of voice notes and then we'll fuck off right then yeah good chat right here we go because season three I should have been

more prepared weight loss jobs listener chat here we go me again sorry um the weight loss yeah i am on mjano monjourno called it mj um i've been on this since january because my weight just went crazy and best thing i've ever done um i've lost two stone in six months and i feel so much better um yes i pay for it which is good distortionate but then i look at the price of what i was spending on food and shoveling into my gob which those hob knobs don't come cheap so feeling a lot better clothes are fitting a lot better it it's you know some people love it some people come back to in a minute clothes are fitting a lot better that is also a comfort thing as well do you know what i mean yeah yeah yeah

Not being like, not being like, I'm wearing these jeans and I'm so uncomfortable. I look great in these jeans. That's like I can actually wear jeans comfortably. It sounds dreamy. Here we go. She's it. I'm loving it. Loving it.

I haven't got a bad word about it because I've had no side effects or anything. And I've been sensible, taking it very slowly. So it's not a quick fix. So I was going to say six months, two stone. And I was an absolute, you know, big knickers, pickers in the fridge. constantly. So yeah, there we go. Big knickers. So lots of pro, as expected, Kat, because of, you know, there's a lot of people pro. I would have liked to have heard somebody putting their neck out a bit more, to be

honest, which is ironic because, like, people are not, people are not putting, being, like, honest about it on social media because they're worried they're going to get trolled for it, whereas on here, people are putting it out, they're not. Rightly fucking so, because it's people getting involved in other people's fucking business. If you don't want to take it, don't fucking take it. But the point is podcast is about talking about your opinions on things and how you feel about things. So we have to have both sides.

How you feel about things for you. But if you're going to come on here and start telling me who shouldn't, shouldn't take it, fuck off. No. Not for you. None of your business. Nobody's going to have,

but they could be able to show their opinions on here. Their opinion. When did it get said that everybody has a right to say their opinions about everybody else whenever they want? No, you get to say an opinion about your own experience. and your own feelings. Okay. You do not get to tell other people,

your opinions about their decisions. That is not a fucking given right. It's not a human right. That's being a cunt. I am so tired of this. This is everything that's wrong with the fucking internet. I'm really, I'm feeling, I'm gonna stand up. Get her a bucket of water, right, listen.

I am so cross. All right. Listen, I love everybody and I, but I will not, I will not fucking stand for people who think it is their right. to tell somebody else what they think they should or shouldn't be doing. I am done. But everybody has a right to their own opinion.

They can say what they think. If they go, I would never take it for me because of this. This is how I feel about it. Yes, yes, yes. If they start going, well, I saw Sally and she's the size eight and she's on it and well, none of your fucking business. I don't think doctors should be giving it to these people. None of your fucking business.

I don't think that these, none of your fucking business. And I will think less of you. So now we've got that cleared up I really needed that If you have any thoughts On my wrong Our topic Shut up Kat

You've had you say Send them our way You can have your say too Believe it or not If there's time On this podcast As long as you're not I can't

I'll tell you If I'm reading something I'm listening to it I'll be like none of your business Listen I tell you what If I offended you today I don't give a fuck if you want to tell me Me neither

You can have your opinion On it We'd love to hear from you It can be voice note, a DM, I don't care if you want to send us a video of you telling us in the form of interpretive dance. We are open to it. I would really love that. That would be great. We're not picky. We're not picky. We're not picky. We're slightly stressed out. We're just not picky. Oh, I'll take them as well. Oh, God, send me a vagina pick. I'll do that. I'll send you one.

Yeah, I want yours. You actually want it. Do you want it or a picture of it? She's got like, a picture to start with, babysat. She's got like fair, downy, like pubic hair. Like most of us look like it's Brian Blessed's beard if he spat on his finger and stuck it in a socket. Yours is like this, down, it's like, it's like if there was an elf with curly hair. It would look like your pubic hair. Go on, spin it out.

Go on, go on, go, go. Why don't you give us the email? Okay, yes, so. Tell us anything and everything. I'm always happy to be disagreed with. that's great you're never the only one at gmail.com it's y-o-u-u-re or send us a message or a voice note on 07457402704 or dms at instagram at you're never the only one and with that we are done got very heated in here yeah it did i've had a moist top lip all day we'll be back next week

where emma is going to be in the topical driving seat what are you talking about we we swapped things up a little bit here didn't we did i'm quite excited your first topic that we had wasn't great, was it? I don't even know why we okayed that. No, well, I didn't really want to, but I thought I don't want to hurt feelings. Oh, well, that's just your opinion. Yeah, she said. That's why I did. That's exactly what I did. Prove my point perfectly.

Never gonna win, never gonna win. So hard. Okay. Next week, you're never the only one who has embarrassing losing their virginity story. Listen, every time we do sex stories, it's brilliant. Do you remember the one where we lost it? Oh, my. I'm not going to spoil.

it here, but go back and listen to the embarrassing sex stories. Embarrassing sex stories previous this season. We just want some of those. I was talking about losing my virginia yesterday and we thought this would be a good topic. But any kind of first sexual experiences. Hand jobs. Yeah, exactly. Blow jobs. Yeah, a friend

of mine. Oral. Anal. Yeah. Wow. Threesome. Ever. Have you? Have you? Yeah. Two men, two girls? Lots of coke. On that note. I think we should probably sign off. Bye! You're never the only one is written and presented by Kat Sims and Emma Nicolay

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