You're The Voice | by Efrat Fenigson - Betrayed: John McAfee’s Death, the Cover-Up & Mission - Janice McAfee | Ep. 139

Episode Date: May 22, 2026

Janice McAfee, the widow of tech and privacy legend John McAfee, opens up about what really happened around his mysterious death. Together they spent nine years navigating an extraordinary life at the intersection of freedom, surveillance, and survival, and traveled through the Bahamas, Cuba, the Dominican Republic, and Spain as U.S. authorities pressed for extradition on tax and SEC-related charges. When John was detained in Spain in October 2020 on an Interpol red notice, Janice remained in the country throughout his nine months of imprisonment. She learned of his death in June 2021 through a Twitter DM, before any official message. Three years of legal battles followed before she received his body, and the questions surrounding his death never left her. Now channeling John's mission through the AIntivirus Project for privacy tools, she  explains why carrying on this fight is the only way to honor what he stood for.→ Please like, comment, share & follow — to help me beat the suppressing algo's. Thank you!– SPONSORS –→ Access liquidity without selling your Bitcoin with Ledn — learn more at https://ledn.io/Efrat    → Get your TREZOR wallet & accessories, with a 5% discount, using my code at checkout (get my discount code from the episode - yep, you’ll have to watch it): https://affil.trezor.io/SHUn→ Have you tried mining bitcoin? Stack sats directly to your wallet while saving on taxes with Abundant Mines: https://AbundantMines.com/Efrat - Claim your free month of hosting via this link– AFFILIATES –→ Join me in these upcoming events & use code EFRAT for discounted tickets: https://www.efrat.blog/p/upcoming-events→ Get 10% off on Augmented NAC to detox Spike protein, with the code YCXKQDK2 via this link: https://store.augmentednac.com/?via=efrat (Note, this is not medical advice, please consult your MD)→ Join me at Europe’s largest bitcoin conference - BTC Prague, June 11-13, 2026. Code EFRAT for 10% off: http://btcprg.me/EFRAT→ Be good to your eyes & health, and get the Daylight tablet - a healthier, more human-friendly computer, zero blue light & flicker. Use code EFRAT for $25 off: https://bit.ly/Efrat_daylight → Get a second citizenship and a plan B to relocate to another country with Expat Money, leave your details for a follow up: https://expatmoney.com/efrat→ Watch “New Totalitarian Order” conference with Prof. Mattias Desmet & Efrat - code EFRAT for 10% off: https://efenigson.gumroad.com/l/desmet_efrat– LINKS –Janice’s X: https://x.com/theemrsmcafee AIntivirus’ Website: https://www.aintivirus.ai/ Efrat’s X: https://twitter.com/efenigsonEfrat’s Channels: https://linktr.ee/efenigsonWatch on all platforms: https://linktr.ee/yourethevoiceSupport Efrat’s work: ⁠https://bit.ly/zap_efrat– CHAPTERS – 00:00 - Coming Up...01:40 - Introduction to Janice McAfee02:49 - Life on the Run with John McAfee: Bahamas, Cuba & Spain07:49 - John Behind Bars in Spain & His Paranoia12:32 - Ad-Break: Ledn & Trezor14:08 - Last Court Date & Final Phone Call18:45 - Finding Out Through a Twitter DM21:10 - Question Marks Around John's Death26:45 - "Is John Still Alive?" - Janice's Answer29:33 - Carrying His Legacy: AIntivirus Project, Redemption & Purpose33:16 - Ad-Break: Abundant Mines35:23 - Keonne, Bitcoin Prisoners & the Fight for Sovereignty40:33 - Janice & John's Mission & Legacy

allegedly he was found hanging from the window when they found him he was breathing and he had a heartbeat his heartbeat was faint his breathing was shallow but it was there as present he knew exactly what was happening around him at all times i just always felt that he was going to kudini himself out of the situation in some sort of way because he always had an ace up his sleeve always the entire point of satoshi nakamoto and creating bitcoin was so that we could free ourselves from the current financial system and to lose sight of that is to lose to lose that freedom and to tighten the noose that we're trying to get free from right because now they'll have total control over us how do you deal with people still telling you maybe john's alive it's frustrating

John didn't do well with restrictions. And he felt like things are closing in on him? There was actually real danger that he was in. I just saw the notification of the DM, but in all capitals it said, OMG, tell me this isn't true. Oh, shit. But I just immediately...

You? Just me. And I Googled, and that's how I found out. Through a DM? Yeah. I think he was betrayed. I think he was supposed to get out of there, But I think, for whatever reason, whoever was supposed to help facilitate that betrayed him.

Hi, welcome to another episode of You Are The Voice, Vegas 2026. I'm here with Janice McAfee. Hey, Janice, how are you? I'm good. How are you? Good. Thank you so much for accepting my invitation to chat. Absolutely. Thank you for having me. My very big honor and pleasure. We had the most amazing panel yesterday.

Yes. And we only had a limited time to talk about John, talk about your message, to talk about things that are important to you. And I really wanted to take this opportunity to expand and also maybe to make it clear for people what are some of the insights you have about what has happened to you and to John and where we're going from here

and what you think with all of your experience that people should be careful about and should be more aware about going forward. So let's start with the background and maybe some of the things that you've shared yesterday on the panel. So, I guess maybe we'll start with the end, because a lot of people don't know what happened to John in Spain. So, we were actually traveling. Okay, so I just want to preface this with, we never had any issues legally.

You know, once we left America, there was no, no one stopped us, nobody harassed us. We had no problems legally, like on paper, paperwork or anything like that. But there was always an element of danger. there was an attempt to collect John when we went to the Bahamas and he chose the Bahamas because there's no income tax there. Right. And so that was what the grand jury was convened for tax related charges. And so they actually said it was for tax fraud, but John wasn't filing. So there can't be fraud if you're not filing. And so because they couldn't legally have him collected and extradited from the Bahamas, the police chief was trying to gotten word that the

police chief was just going to try to arrest him for anything, you know, drunken disorderly or something, just to get him into custody, have him shoot back to the United States. And so we left from there and we went to Cuba and Cuba for obvious reasons was the best place to go. And so while we were there, there was actually someone who came a representative from the government came and had us, you know, go and meet with a general. And he said, you know, listen, I don't want to have to send you guys back,

but we are getting pressure by the American government, right, to send you or to collect you and have you, you know, registered and back. And so instead of doing that, they gave us 72 hours to leave. And so from there, we went to the Dominican Republic and we were immediately detained. As you landed there? Yeah, as soon as we got there.

And we were on our boat, the Freedom Boat, and, I mean, immediate detention. And so while we were there, funny story, John decided that he was going to fake a stroke this time, right? Because he couldn't do a heart attack again, right? He had done that already. And so, because they were adamant on sending us back to our countries of origin. But John had dual citizenship.

And so, he was like, well, the UK. And so, he wanted to go there. And they're like, no, you have to go back to America. So, they were shipping me back. They were going to take me to the airport, and we had Robert King with us, who was also American. And he was just kind of filming with us, and then we had a couple of security, one from Haiti and the Bahamas. So we were all on our way to the airport, but before that happened, John faked the stroke. And what was funniest about it is that everyone was just standing there looking at him like,

Okay, sir, you can get up off the floor now. We know you're faking, right? like nobody was buying it and so when he comes to right he's like where am i who are you people don't touch me and where's my wine it was it was really really funny and so he's on the floor and i tell him you know what listen they're making me leave i gotta go and so i don't know what he did in that time of me going to the airport but they called and said bring her back because we're taking him to the hospital so he must have amped up his theatrics in some way and so anyways we that that was if i understand correctly that was a way to kind of postpone things if he would have gone to hospital if he goes to hospital then he can stay there for a while without them doing

anything absolutely well they were trying to once he got to the hospital they were trying to have him seen by doctors and all of that but he just kept refusing and so what he needed to do was well. By this time, we had attorneys that were working behind the scenes to kind of put a, I don't want to say a stay of extradition, because it wasn't, I don't think it was an extradition that we're, or maybe it was a deportation, I should say. And so to just try to impede that from happening. And I think the reasoning was because they were illegally detaining us. Like there was no, we hadn't committed a crime. You know, they said that we had to illegally enter the country, but they never let us enter the country. Right. Like

we hadn't spoken to immigration or anything. They just immediately detained us. So eventually the lawyers were able to work that out. And so they then flew us to the UK, just John and I. And eventually we made our way into Spain. And again, so we're traveling, not having any issues. So come October of 2020, John is going to fly to Turkey to meet with some business people. And so So when he gets to the airport, he tells me later, once he's been taken to the prison, that his passport was actually flagged as stolen. And so that is why they initially detained him at the airport. And so he had to stay there overnight. And what happened was the next day, this Reg Notice Interpol warrant then shows up in their system.

And so now he's being detained by Interpol. In Spain? Yes, in Spain. And they took him to the Breon's prison. And so it took a little while for me to be able to hear from him. So you were back in the States? No, I was still in Spain. Okay.

Yeah. So we, I'm sorry. We, we eventually made our way from the UK to Spain and we were staying with friends of John's there in Spain and, and we, it was a good time actually. I want to say it was the most peaceful time of our time together because there was always chaos and sometimes created chaos by John yes that's just but um that was him that was John yes it was just a very peaceful time a good time and so um he had just celebrated his 75th birthday of that you know not long before his arrest so anyways it was good to hear from him eventually

I was able to talk to him every day. We spoke every day, three times a day, but the phone calls were only eight minutes a piece. So, and then in those phone calls, he would dictate to me his tweets. Okay. Yeah. So that's how he was tweeting from prison. I was doing it for him. And so it was just, I will say that maybe he might've been having a more difficult time that he let on, but i think um just trying to protect me and so we we um he didn't want you to worry about him and he didn't actually want me to come and visit him you know i wanted to but he's he was concerned well mostly he said he didn't want me to see him like that but also he was concerned that if i went there maybe somebody might follow me back to the safe house we were staying at yeah and so very uh

switched on in terms of privacy absolutely and the security absolutely it took um i want to say it took maybe a month or two before we were able to communicate with the outside world because um the our electronics were being uh protected shielded whatever and however that process whatever that looks like that's kind of how long it took us to be able to take our devices outside of where we were living, you know, and be able to communicate like normal. You know, because John didn't do well with restrictions, you know. Tell me about it.

He needed what he needed, you know, and so... And he felt like things are closing in on him? I think there became a shift just before he was arrested. There was an uptick in his... I don't know, I wouldn't call it paranoid, but I would say that he became just more alert of what was happening around us. Whereas, well, when we initially got there in that first couple of months, you know, everything was really chill and we were able to just relax and breathe easy.

And so I'm not sure if he got word about something or... Or just his intuition. It could have just been intuition, but I do feel that like a full transparency, I feel that he knew something was coming down the pike Because that morning before he left to go to the airport, there was just something different. You know, there was just a shift in his energy. And obviously for me, whenever we separated, I was always on edge, you know, because I was just always concerned about him and he wasn't with me, you know, because not everyone took the threat seriously, right? A lot of people just assumed he was just paranoid.

there was actually a real danger that he was in there was substance absolutely paranoia if you want to call it and I was actually fears and you felt yes but I was the paranoid in our relationship because I didn't know exactly what was happening I just had my instincts right tuition but he knew exactly what was happening around him at all times so Wow so and and when he got arrested when he while he was in prison I just always felt that he was going to Houdini himself out of the situation in some sort of way because he always had an ace up his sleeve always you know and so I've there we've never had a discussion about it it's just again just an intuition thing because I had spent

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my friends and family enjoy my five percent discount on treasure product by clicking the link in the show notes and using the code flat amazing yes yes and nine years is a long time yeah yeah especially when you're an adult and you don't have little kids and what you do is just being with each other and getting to know each other so it's a lot of time for you to really feel and read the intricacies of his of his behavior and identity and persona okay go on sorry and so So again, we were at the, you thought he was going to pull in Houdini. Yes, absolutely.

And I'm fully persuaded about that. Well, fast forward now, he spent almost, I believe, nine months in the prison. Oh, and that whole time you were in Spain? Yes, the entire time. Still at the safe house where we were. And still haven't seen him? No, haven't seen him. You must have died from missing him.

Yeah. I was concerned, very concerned, because the attorneys, now at this time he had five attorneys, right? So he had two U.S. attorneys, one for the tax-related charges, and then the SEC later came and filed some bogus, and so we needed an attorney for that. And then he had two Spanish attorneys. The initial attorney was someone that his friends had arranged for him. but we got an additional one who was more his expertise was extradition and he had gone up against the US before so we needed someone with a little more knowledge of how to navigate that and then he had an intern in the UK working

that you know dual citizenship angle right so when he when it came time for that last court date when he went to court there was already a plan in place place we already understood that he was going to be the extradition was going to be granted right we knew that was going to happen was a surprise to no one the attorneys we had discussed you know next steps after that how how what that's going to look like and so um he wouldn't have gotten extra extradited within the next week month or even year right there would have been a lot of appeals that would have been happening so i'm i'm only saying that because i've i've seen people say well he raged quit you know and and he just you know was you know so distraught about the

extradition be granted but that's not true at all it's just not John McAfee so again the day he went to court we spoke early in the morning before he went to court and you know this his mood was kind of monotone you know nothing concerning right obviously you're going to court so there's a seriousness to the conversation and then I spoke to him again in the afternoon after he went to court and I told them I said I said oh you look good with your white hair and he was like wait what do you mean I was like oh because I saw you like they showed you in the courtroom and he said they weren't supposed to do that and so I don't know why that stuck out to you so much but it's like what what do you mean they weren't supposed to do that and so again now this just goes to my

intuition of he's he's gonna do something here to wiggle out of this situation right and so again we talk um also what i was doing was i would i would collect uh headlines for him nude like the whatever was happening in the day and i would kind of read that to him so i asked him you know you want to go over the headlines i was like no let's just let's just talk and so again there was a different tone to the call but it was nothing that I would say concerned me for his safety or concerned me about anything again the assumption was that he was gonna Houdini him his way out of there so a goodbye was going to happen this is what I yeah had known just because you know we couldn't stay

together for forever although I wanted to know but there was gonna come a separation. He just had no idea it was going to be through his day. And so just before we got off the phone, you know, he said, I love you and I'll call you later. So I went about my day. I might have smoked some weed. I don't remember. I was going through collecting, you know, articles, you know, the news of the day. And I happened to be on Twitter around 4 p.m. ish, which would have been a little earlier than than what he would have called me and someone sent me a dm and in all capitals i just saw the notification of the dm but in all capitals it said omg tell me this isn't true gosh and so um i'm not sure why but i just immediately you just me and i googled

and that's how i found out through a dm yeah oh yes and then the attorney it was already in the paper or something already so that so the prison uh leaked the information oh my and that is how his attorneys found out as well oh my god so they didn't even have the decency to call the attorneys first say so first of all what was their official version now what happened to you so what was reported in the news was that he was found dead in his cell that's it that was it right and then what kind of information did you receive on top of that um that took a while to get that information and so um so immediately like maybe the next day the prison opened up an investigation into john's death and from what i was told this is not normal practices all right just the body

whatever and life goes on so the fact that they opened up that this investigation already is you know shady and so through now that investigation took um it took them eight months to work through that right to bring to come to a conclusion yes and so from that I was able to look at the security footage and I was able to get the prison's report of what happened like so they had still shots from the security footage and they had pictures of John's cell how the mattress was um they they didn't have they had a picture of the window because allegedly he was found hanging from the window okay well not hanging actually because it wasn't high enough for his feet to be off of the floor so his feet were actually still on the floor touching the

and they also had pictures of John's body on the on the bed and so when I finally decided to watch the security footage when they found John his cell door was like cracked open and and this was all I'm putting this out because all of the other cell doors were closed and they you know notify someone to open the door they have the guards come and bring his body out into the hallway and then the medical response team comes and they begin doing chest compressions and they have the um i don't know what it's called but the bag over his mouth oxygen yeah pumping pumping oxygen okay so that goes on for about maybe 20 minutes right and then i guess they call it and then yeah and then they

put him back in his cell which is really strange right why wouldn't you take him out right the clinic right and so these pictures that were included and this in the prisons report where we're staged photos right after there yes right and so that is where I understood that that they had performed CPR on him what the news around this thing now i i someone had commented and said you know if you know i'm trying to save a person's life i'm not going to care about this being around their neck you know i'm just going to go in and do cbr but you have to clear the airway right and if he has something around his neck the assumption is that it's going to be tight enough to block the airway right so

anyways it was just very strange to me and so once i saw that it's like okay well that's why he's dead because it also talks about in the in this report that when they found him he was breathing and he had a heartbeat his heartbeat was faint his breathing was shallow but it was there as present so i'm not even sure why they needed to do chest compressions or put you know oxygen into him when he's already breathing and he has a heartbeat so right so from there it just became a situation of okay i need the autopsy report right and so after the eight months they tried to just close the you know the the investigation but the attorney that was working uh with john on his extradition he stayed on after his death as well so it's the same attorney but anyways

he said that if i allowed them to close the investigation that i could never come back and say, I want the autopsy report. So I had to file the appeal at that time. And when I did that, they refused to give me his body. So they kept his body until the closure of this appeal, right? So that's eight months after he died, right, that they were going to close it. So I spent an additional year and a half almost. It was almost three years before I got his body back. December 23 December 2023 was when I got his body back and there was no autopsy done there how can you can you do an autopsy after so long there was an autopsy done so when they had me I because I had to go and identify his remains and so when I

did that no it's okay I don't mind talking about it so they were in the middle of doing the autopsy and so they wouldn't I wasn't able to see his full body they just allowed yes and he was covered up yes she and so so you did identify him yes and his hair was done something I did something I didn't speak about before he's here and I and I bring that up because you said it was he would have he would have changed because remember I said he said why did they do that yeah right so he would have found a way to change his hair color back from what was seen publicly right very interesting and so all of these things are things that i've like literally

tortured myself over just trying to figure out you know playing a detective trying to understand those clues what actually happened and who's behind what actually happened yes and and and for a long time some of the conclusions you reached if any or did you just drop it in one no i i think i think he was betrayed i think some i think he was supposed to get out of there but i think for whatever reason whoever was supposed to help facilitate that betrayed him betrayed his trust betrayed whatever agreement they might have had i don't think that he was planning from that i don't think that you know when you only have limited options those are your options i don't think death was on the table for him i don't think that he he didn't plan for that possibility

right and so um i mean that's the only thing for me that makes sense otherwise i feel like i would have heard from him yeah i would there would have been something i would i i absolutely believe a thousand percent i would have heard something at some point that he would have given you some information or or it'll be five years yeah and june sorry five years in june now yeah and i absolutely would have heard something for sure wow thank you so much for sharing all of that yeah of Of course, of course. How do you deal with people still telling you, maybe John's alive? Because some people do say that, right?

Yeah, and it's frustrating. It's frustrating because I've just shared intimate details with you of the things that I've gone over, like literally torturing myself, going over these things. Like maybe he did get away, and I've seen people talk about there was a suspicious flight that happened the day that John died and and maybe that is true I don't know allegedly it came to the area where John would have been so why I don't know but I don't think it was if if that is true and if it was related to John I don't think it was because

they ushered him out of there I think maybe they gave him the bad news that listen we're not we're not getting him out of here you know there were some tweets that he had me tweet out that seemed to allude to maybe uh sending an sos out i hope i'm not sharing too much but these are these are the things that i've thought about right and so it again it is frustrating so we can just tell people drop it drop it stop it like it would be great right right or or if you have more respect and just exactly then show me i'm willing to i'm open-minded you know i would love i would love nothing more for him to be alive somewhere right enjoying his life i would absolutely love that and i would absolutely love for his end to come peacefully dying peacefully in his sleep or

having the best sex of his life i don't know right yeah absolutely i would love for that to be yes I know as opposed to What happened because because what a waste that was, you know, what I don't deserve that No, you know irrespective of what anyone thought about him. He didn't deserve to die in that prison that way well, I am a hundred percent sure that the audience of his podcast loved him and Appreciated so much his rebel spirit his

dissident voice his uncompromising stand for freedom and and for you said he didn't like limitations so like complete permissionless living he was such a legend really what do you think he would want you to carry forward family's legacy or or us forward not just you right all of his lovers followers fans like i think just to uh i'm sure you spoke about that like that yeah i think well not really with me per se i think it's just something perceived i so for me i'm wanting to carry on his fight for privacy and so i'm working with the antivirus project and and that's what we're doing we're bringing the the products and the projects that he was working on before he was arrested and before he died, trying to bring those things to the market. And so that's kind of

where my passion is right now. And then also because of how we met, I was in a very abusive situation. And so the goal is for those projects and those products to help people in similar situations. Because if you cannot financially provide for yourself, support yourself, then you can't really get away from the situation that you're in so that's um that's like to break that dependency yes absolutely in abusive people relationships absolutely so that's that's my passion and and i think and you do it through the antivirus project it's called anti antivirus ai antivirus it's a play on the antivirus and what kind of organization is that it's a crypto It's a crypto organization so we are we have crypto related privacy products so

we have encrypted email we also have a cloaking device I guess if you want to call it that for your as you're going browsing on the websites and all of that so we also have eSIMs as well that you can buy so all of these things you can purchase anonymously and and not have to give your your KYC and yes can you use bitcoin yes you can use it but it's it's on the solana um the solana chain we also have a way for you to purchase gift cards as well so now you can um toggle between fiat and crypto it's just a way to stay anonymous for people to stay anonymous as they're we'll put the link to it absolutely at the show notes but uh but that's what so that's a legacy yes yeah that's what i would love to do

but personally i don't i think john would just his concern was that i would go back to the life that he found me and so i hope that i have made him proud that i have not done that you know i could never ever go back to prostitution is that's where how we met i was a prostitute on south beach And I had a pimp who was beating me, and it was just a crazy, crazy life, you know. And was John super protective of you? Yeah, he was. He was absolutely, and he loved me, which was just... The best thing in the world.

Absolutely. It is, it is. You know, and I still struggle to see what it was that he saw in me. What do you mean? I do, I do. Well, not just that, but obviously you saw something more. Of course. But that's the thing about love.

Yeah. When we feel it, it transcends all those weird dialogues that we have with ourselves in our brain. How we judge ourselves, how we see ourselves. Someone else can see us way greater, way better, way much clearer than what we see ourselves. and that is the most beautiful thing about love because it kind of breaks all that crap. Yeah, absolutely. So he loved you.

Yeah. That's amazing. Absolutely. And I just want to honor that love by doing what I can to make sure people don't forget, you know, and to make sure that people know what happened. I want to introduce you to Abundant Minds because they take a very different approach to Bitcoin mining.

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I think your mission is beautiful. Are you looking for volunteers or whatever? What if people are hearing this and they want to get in touch and help you? Please reach out to me. I'm on Twitter at the Mrs. McAfee. You can reach out to me. I'm on Instagram at Official Janice McAfee. I'm on Telegram, Janice McAfee, because any way that you want to reach out, please feel free to do so. And we'd love to have people helping out. So the community that's helping out with the project now are just people that love John, love his message,

and are wanting to do their part to make sure that that message doesn't die. And that is so important. We need so many more freedom lovers out there. Absolutely. Absolutely. Because it makes it, just to touch a little bit on Keone's situation, Samurai's situation, Ms. Warren. Please, which was part of our panel as well, yes. It's so much easier for them to sort of knock us off in this way when we're not united, you know? Or when we look at the situation and say, oh, that's just happening to them. That won't happen to me, you know, because I'm not doing anything criminal. But neither was he.

He wasn't doing anything criminal. You know, even Ross was not doing anything criminal, you know. And so, and I'm sure this is true for all of the other prisoners. That's correct. As well. So, I mean, to have this stance that, you know, because it's not me, you know, sort of out of sight, out of mind. you know that's their problem not mine you know it's kind of selfish right because we should be all in this together right the the entire point of satoshi nakamoto and creating bitcoin was so

that we could free ourselves from the current financial system right that's here to peer transactions right and have complete autonomy over our finances right that's what that's what the plan the goal of this was and to lose sight of that is to lose to lose that freedom right and to tighten the noose that we're trying to get free from right because now they'll have total control right well we're rapidly getting there yeah absolutely they're on the way to roll out their new digital money that is has expiry dates and geolocation capabilities and switching on and off digital wallets and programming your money to use it for this and not for that and they're so proud of of building that digital prison and we're just like yeah come on in we welcome you here it's

digital it's so convenient what it's wild so i think john would be very disappointed to see I agree with the space. That's right. Heading, you know, but maybe we can do more to just kind of bring awareness. And and maybe if we united and it doesn't have to be uniting under one cryptocurrency or under one project over this project, we should just all be able to work together. Right. Well, we all should be working together towards that common goal. Yeah. Right. Of financial autonomy. Right. Absolutely. And freedom tools, privacy. goals. So it goes hand in hand because Bitcoin is not perfect. Every, you know, Bitcoin, especially Bitcoin maxis, they know that there is visibility and transparency on the base layer, on the blockchain so that, you know, immutability could occur and the final settlement of transactions

can happen on the blockchain. But because of that, it's transparent. There is no privacy. you're sort of anonymous and so if you do want to have privacy you have to embrace more tools other tools other technologies which are being developed and created all the time so if we are not aware enough and conscious enough and put our energy our time and our support in those who are building those things we're going to be haunted just like john and others absolutely so it's it's I see it as an individual call for each and every one of us to take this seriously and to learn from this start educating ourselves more about how to be more careful private anonymous online this digital world is a

double-edged sword and this is a scary place it's a scary place and honestly you can have you can have your transparency and then also your privacy good for some things of course right and i think and i think that is the difference you know i like i have multiple wallets you know and and it's all about how you onboard with your privacy you know and so why not why not have like a little dummy wallet you know where maybe you give all of your kyc but you don't keep much there right because if someone was so inclined and wanted to unwind and figure out who owns the wallet oh let's see well okay it's not worth it right but But where the real money is, you know, that's somewhere in a private, you know, under a private system, if you will.

Right. And so I think people just need to become more aware of of the true nature of human beings. Right. We are loving and gracious and kind and all of those good things. But we also can be liars and thieves, right? Manipulators, manipulators, evil things, especially lately with all these disclosures that we have been seeing. seeing with people who are being unlived and scientists and all that stuff like it's all happening in front of our face we're living in very very dark times so i think i agree we need to take this seriously absolutely absolutely wow janice you are awesome you're a force to be reckoned with and you are badass i mean the fact that you are continuing to speak about those things be

active in the community to build them to put them out there to create more awareness for people in harsh situations that you know need to be liberated from this is awesome and so i really appreciate your work appreciate you i'm so glad we met thanks to this conference yes and i hope we can keep in touch and check check out like in in a few months from now even what's going on and how those projects are yes right now we're developing still in beta um also i just got back well i won't say just got back but from spain march of 24 so i'm still kind of getting my bearings you know a little bit but definitely be on the lookout i'll definitely keep in touch with you and um yeah you know full steam ahead right we've got work to do and i don't want to i want

to make sure that i'm doing my part so that my children do not inherit the world in a much worse shape than which i'm i'm living in it now right i want to do my part to make it better for them for my granddaughter i'm a grandma now are you oh my god yeah she'll be two she'll be two in august yeah that is so much fun oh my god my son's only 16 but i'm dreaming of the day i'd be a grandma Oh my God, that was so much fun. Yes, for sure. This is why we're here. This is why we do this.

Yes, absolutely. Wow, we want to make the world more fair, full of light, like a better place to live, for sure. And I do not want to see, I don't know, nation states or cities or towns just places being erased off of the the face of the earth because people are just like self-destructing themselves we have to get better than this so I'm with you and I think also educating the younger generations so so important so yeah we've got a lot of work yeah we do yeah we absolutely do let's roll up our

sleeves and amazing so you find hope in the next generation yes yeah my granddaughter as you can see she brings a smile to my face and she likes my the heaviness of my heart is it your daughter's daughter yeah yeah I just I just want to make sure that I'm doing my part and this is something that John was very passionate about as well making sure that he shared his knowledge with anyone who would listen very generous yeah because that's a point right otherwise what are we doing because we're here to face of all first of all figure out ourselves and our shit and like why are we here what's the mission

what's the purpose and once we've got it it's about being of service for humanity absolutely absolutely and then it also becomes a little bit easier because the focus is not just about me me me all the crap that we're doing it's like it's not about me anymore it's about this it's about them and i'm here to serve so let me do the best work i can do absolutely just be with me god to help me on this mission absolutely absolutely god bless you janice thank you so much thank you for having me no no worries um okay thank you very much for being with us please reach out to janice if you want to take part of her beautiful missions and put some links in the show notes yes so that people know how to reach you thank you thank you

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