You're The Voice | by Efrat Fenigson - Beyond the Physical: Consciousness, Energy, and the Nature of Reality - Jeff Booth | Ep. 145

Episode Date: June 23, 2026

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But this transition, we are so crazy early. If you own Bitcoin today, you own a part of the new internet. And everybody's going to have to go through it to get to the other side. This is the greatest transition humans have ever lived through. We don't have a model for what it looks like, because we're the model. Maybe this is just weird, but I'm fascinated by that. We can all agree this is all weird, and it's fine to be weird this morning. These are probably the most important topics, because...

Thank you, good morning! Wow, what a beautiful day! Listen, you guys, did you wake up this morning and say, how lucky I know Bitcoiners don't like that you know you're lucky you're just lucky but we are fucking lucky

how many of you woke up this morning and went this is what I get to do today I get to go to a conference and meet all the people I love and talk about the thing I'm passionate about and find new friendships and relationships and partnerships so that I can

keep building what I'm building And this is what we get to do with our time. How fucking fortunate are we? Isn't it amazing? Let's go. So I am super happy, grateful, and pumped to start this conference with all of you and with Jeff, my good friend, that has a lot to do with the fact that I'm actually here. and also with this talk, because what we're going to talk about in the next half hour and actually an hour with your questions is something that most Bitcoin conferences would not talk about

or it's not your typical talk that you're going to hear on a stage anywhere. And that's why I love it so much. I really think that when we go beyond economics and into the fabric of reality itself, consciousness, the energy, the spirituality, and the quantum nature of our existence, there is so much more that we can tap into. And if anything, we can leave that conversation knowing how little we know and how much more there is to know and how magnificent this experience is that we get to learn more and more all the time.

And so I want to start, Jeff, with your permission. this talk is titled Beyond the Physical and as we said most Bitcoin conferences don't go there why do you think it matters for this audience in this moment that we touch on and talk about

consciousness and spirituality alongside a monetary protocol the highest level is because the world is a reflection of us, right? We bump into each other. Our individual reality is a reflection of us. We bump into other people and we can't believe they see reality

like they see, but it's real for them too. And so that construct means that the change isn't Bitcoin. The change is us. And you can see this. A lot of people in this room we're attracted to this talk because you already know it. You already know that you've taken agency in a new system. You have agency and you're expressing that agency and bumping into other people. The world is for them different, but it's different for you too and you can feel it

and you're moving your energy more and more into this thing that's emergent as it bumps into more and more people and more people are making the same choice that you did, maybe later, and they'll see it too. And so these are probably the most important topics because ultimately the change of Bitcoin is a change of us. And I went through it, you went through it, everyone went through it,

because we didn't know this existed. I didn't know that I didn't live in a free market. I didn't know all of these things. So some of the same changes I've seen in me, I can empathize. I can see why people see the world like they do. I can let them just be, whether they're mad, whether they're blaming somebody else, whatever that's capturing their attention to be able to do. But I know who I am, and I know what this change has done to me, too,

is I've changed, and it's changed me. beautiful and you keep changing we just talked about it before we keep changing the world and the reality around us with the actions and the agency we take and we don't even have a clue

what kind of impact we have and that's something you say a lot we talked about it just over it's such a beautiful thing that you don't know how many people you touch because of what you do

And when you think about, just think about the number of people that have impacted you, yourself, and you'll go through your own version of the people that have impacted you, but you'll probably forget a whole bunch of people that also impacted you through things they just, how they showed up, what they did, and those impacts are part of us. they're literally part of us because we then change and then we impact other people you talked about this beautiful story about somebody coming up to you and saying that you're the reason that they're a Nostra developer today and everything else and you wouldn't how many other people are like that and how many other people will that person touch because you touch them yeah absolutely what a gift yeah all right I want to talk a little bit I don't know if you guys know a really interesting figure. If you don't know him,

I recommend you go and read some of his books. Federico Faggin, an Italian physicist. The physicist and inventor of the microprocessor. A really brilliant man. He's over 80 years old now, but he's a physicist, but he's a highly, highly spiritual man. And he writes that a living organism

acts as a unified entity with intention, purpose, and meaning. Properties that cannot emerge from a bunch of unconscious atoms interacting probabilistically. Bitcoin is not human. I guess we can all agree about that. And it does not have a CEO.

And there is no central mind to instruct Bitcoin. Yet, it behaves with extraordinary coherence. I sometimes think Bitcoin reflects the collective intention and consciousness of its community. Users, builders, miners, the architects of what Bitcoin is. Am I being too weird thinking that and drawing on what Fajin is alluding to? I think it's just depending on your level of consciousness. the so I think for this David Hawkins conscious model of consciousness is a really good thing to use and so so if you if you're operating from anxiety or fear or or or anger each different

level of conference consciousness will reflect back at you and the world of people will appear to you exactly as it appears right and and but when i say that it's very real right and so so when i um and different levels and i'm not talking about levels of consciousness that you need to be on the ladder and so i i'm better than this other person that's just more ego than anything else i'm talking about really how you see the world i'm saying that the what does it feel like to what does it feel like to you and that reflection to you in the specific example that you talked about I don't know if I actually totally agree I'm not saying I I don't I don't know but how did we evolve right how did our consciousness come into being and whether it's and we could

take this forever maybe in questions but but some people believe in God some people believe in a universal consciousness. But whatever version of that you believe in, if there was a universal consciousness, and if somebody appeared as a god that was tapped into that universal consciousness, what would that person appear to all other people who had a lower consciousness? It would feel the same thing. It would feel, because when you're around somebody with a higher consciousness, it feels good it feels amazing um if i think about the religious point in this what would then those people would be very very dangerous to control systems they would be killed right and then and then through that through that same version of reality all of the people that couldn't be in

that level of consciousness would idolize those people and you would create religions out of this So if I think about many of the religions at their root, they have the same thing, at the root. So I can't tell you, because I don't know, I have a belief, I have my belief, and everybody would have, I can't tell you which one's right or which one's wrong, but at a consciousness, something had to exist for us to exist. The universe is in us. And now you take that all the way down. Now our mind is creating that reality. What's to say what the mind, what about a dog? What does it look like to a dog? Does it have the same level of consciousness as us? What about a computer

program written by us? Would it have a feedback loop? And would it have a lower level of consciousness, but could that emerge? I don't know. But it might be able to. It might just have a lower level of consciousness than us, and it was a child of us, just like we were a child of something else. Interesting. All connected. Yeah. All connected. Well, and I definitely agree with you about the reflection of us in what we create, especially when we're talking about computer software weak someone a human creates that computer software it will reflect back some of their consciousness to to them and maybe that's what we're experiencing in bitcoin it's like based on the level of consciousness that we're in we're kind of looking at this thing that can be

so many things for so many people different people depending on where they are and it would reflect something else to them that's that's the thing we insert ourselves into the thing right and it's and it becomes you're in your mind all the time right and it has to be you you're looking at i've said this many times on podcasts but when you look at a photo you look at you first um you don't look at everyone else right and so you're always in your mind and you're part of the thing and so pulling yourself out to see what it could look like to every other what it would all look like if you were in a different, observing that, right? I don't know, maybe this is just weird,

but I'm fascinated by that. I think we can all agree this is all weird, and it's fine to be weird this morning. Okay. In my talk on Saturday that I'm going to give, I'll be showing how a value-based identity with a coherent mission is essential for living free and living in a sovereign way.

And I feel like Bitcoin, whatever this entity is for you or this protocol is for you, is kind of having an identity crisis these days. A bit like a teenager asking itself, who am I? What do I want to be when I grow up? That's how I feel that Bitcoin is at at this point in time. And to be honest, I think, again, that's like a reflection of us,

our collective consciousness maybe we don't really know who we are and our identity and what we want to be when we grow up in a way so how do you think this identity is being shaped up for

Bitcoin and for us? It's exactly carried on to what I just said and that's why it's so hard when you talk to your friends my YPO forum just recently Actually, while I was in Munich, I did a YPO, my YPO forum. These are friends that I've had for 25 years.

I know everything about them. They know everything about me. And very few of them are Bitcoiners. And it's fascinating because they read my book. They understand. And they're talking about everything that's happening in Canada and we just need to fix it. And I'm going, but you're part of the problem.

you're you're you're operating in a system that has to steal from people and you're saying it's somebody else and when i when i say you're doing that they can't see their own identity wrapped up in the thing they think it's somebody else and and that's why i mean it just is and that transition from from knowing that you matter and and every time you're saying um it's those people you're giving away how much you matter to somebody else and that change

it's so easy to do it's so easy to do and why I say this with vulnerability on podcasts is I did it too before I moved my time into Bitcoin I told myself a lie

even though I knew that what I was saying was completely true I told myself a lie because I wanted to protect what if it fails, what if this, what if it, could I make enough money? So it was about money, even though I didn't want to believe it was about money. I didn't want to believe that my actions in the other system stole from somebody else. It's really hard on your own identity. So you just put a blocker and you say, oh, no, we can never live in a free market. that won't work right because we never have so so I for I personally had to have my identity

ship kind of destroyed and and and move into the new system so I can understand how that is really hard to do because because I had to go through it myself and everybody's going to have to go through it if to to get to the other side this is the greatest transition humans have ever lived through we don't have a model for what it looks like because we're the model because we're building it as we we're we're the emergent properties of the new system yeah and you can see the the love and connection that i feel from from a bunch of people who have made this you a bunch of people in this room is that feeling yeah and it's so uh you don't want to talk about coherence I would never go back like I can't imagine what what what so when people say

what if this what if this all of the things that somebody else is going to do to take their agency okay okay if you want to live there then that's okay but I'm not yeah yeah how many of you here just show of hands feeling that you've been going through a very significant change in your life in the last few years okay oh wow almost everyone yeah that's quite a thing huh yeah that we're all experiencing these transition and then it's important though that once you're there because you're in a different spot you can feel it you can feel it in this room i can feel it in this room when you're in a different spot you know that there's a whole bunch of people hurting and they're not in that spot trying to communicate with them that you're smarter than them

or that they're, when they're in fear and paralyzed is probably going to push them away more, right? So how do you communicate with somebody that it's okay to be there, right? That here's where you are and your life, because what people observe about your life, it says more than what you say, right? Talk to your kids.

What you say versus what you do, two very different things. They follow what you do. It is very true. I admit it. I have a 17-year-old son. But I'm getting better. Let's touch a little bit about AI and consciousness. So there's a lot of fear, speaking of fear, around quantum risks to Bitcoin, around AI taking over our lives, our jobs. Very dramatic. Fagin says the same inventor I talked about, that machines cannot be conscious that reductionist classical systems can't produce the quantum correlations required for consciousness, free

will, and identity. You've been thinking deeply about this intersection of AI, consciousness, and Bitcoin. What's your take about all these scary things? Yeah, we already talked about the Fajine thing a little bit, but so what I'd like to say is what should happen in a free market if you said we're AI? AI is just a tool, a tool created by us that we will use if it provides efficiency to deliver value to other people. And if it doesn't, we won't use it because it'll cost too much. So I suspect it's going to. It already does.

And that is a staggering productivity gain. And the productivity gain comes from job losses. and those job losses our price is falling because we don't need the work anymore because we are in service of each other in a free market we can only we can only win a little bit more of the share by helping others and then then our margin that we win by helping others is under attack by a whole bunch of people trying to compete with us to provide more value to others so in that version of reality which bitcoin is anchoring all prices fall forever forever as eight billion people become in service of each other and you guys are people in this room we're so early in that most

people won't hold bitcoin through that they'll sell back to the other system they this is going to go on from think about how early we are in this think about how early we are in how many people talk about bitcoin pricing uh prices falling versus bitcoin versus number go up like it's ridiculous it's ridiculous yeah it's ridiculous even though you know for sure what i just said is true it's yeah it's so evident right it means it means we've we don't have a mental model for what i just said we're living in another mental model where where it's so easy to believe like I just talked to a good friend just before this, and he said, so today our mental model is prices go up because prices have always gone up. Why do prices go up?

Only one reason, because we debase money. So we have prices really high everywhere because we don't live in a free market. We live in this crazy thing. And people are measuring from that same market and measuring Bitcoin from that. And if they're measuring Bitcoin from that, and they can't live with prices going up in that version, they're very likely to trade their Bitcoin for a yield, right? Centralize their Bitcoin for a yield because they're trying to buy the house that they can't afford that's artificially too high because the money's being debased. And they're back in the flywheel again, and they gave away their Bitcoin. And unfortunately, what I just said is going to happen.

It's going to happen to tons of tons of people. And it's going to happen to many people in this room that will trade their time, their freedom, their agency, their sovereignty, back to the old system. And it's okay. It has to happen for us to make this transition. But it's going to happen again and again and again because we're so early in what I described.

and because the way we learn as humans is through experiences so maybe we need to get punched again and again and again in order to learn and that remember that mental model that that is true that we haven't lived in a free market and prices fall in a free market and that bitcoin anchors but all of those things are completely true if bitcoin stays decentralized and secure and we have agency in that new emergent property there is no mental model for it because we've never seen it so it's easy to believe other people telling us what the world should look like and we want to give them our agency because we believe them they're those are the experts right we they're constantly in the news in the money and everything else and because they have

more money people follow them more right and so it's so easy to give away your agency back back to that and so you have to be guarding against what i just described because that's where that that's that would have to be the way the world looks on this transition because it's never looked the way i describe it ever find yourself needing cash but refusing to sell your bitcoin that's real life for many bitcoiners because most bitcoin sales aren't financial decisions their liquidity decisions. And that's exactly what Ledin solves. Ledin is the global leader in Bitcoin-backed lending. They've issued over $10 billion in loans since 2018 with a perfect track record for protecting client assets. Here's what makes Ledin different. With their

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and has raised their hands that they're going through some kind of significant change in their lives is spending time on discovering their strengths and their purpose and who they really are and their identity and hone in on it to then move everything to do what they're good at and be who they really want to be how important is that process for each person that's critical and I like having three kids and watching the kids go through this what the world wants to tell them what who they are they're already enough they're already perfect they already have every every single one every single person in this room has a genius that is better than me at something and

a genius it's something that is just and when i walk around and i meet people that genius and and celebrating their genius they light up yeah they they light up and then they see that what they can do in other in other areas and they understand how much how much what they do influences the world around them and the people around them and it keeps on marching on and I don't think the majority of the planet believes they have

the genius because they're in this nonsensical world of manipulation I'm not saying the system has to be like that because it's built on a lie and so it has to

aggregate all of this information and we're inside that information I watch people scrolling all day long. Do you know that in the last 10 years there has not been an actual viral movement? You wouldn't believe that. All the viral movements have been clipped and paid for people to be able to sell their soul

in this marketing engine. And they're designed to create these viral movements. And everybody's inside that viral movement, looking for everybody else's attention and everything. Most of the stuff you see is not out of an organic growth. Yeah. It's not out of something that would be natural at all. And people are looking, your kids are looking inside of this

and giving credit to these things that have been inserted into your brain, that that's the way the world looks. It's so perverse, and it's everywhere. so how do you how do you breathe how do you breathe deeply and understand your own power who you who you are what you what you mean how how that could show up to other people and and and that emergent property of you me everybody else and how that's all connected to create something totally different beautiful okay you guys have heard that right go go act on and take agency in your life.

We have time for a Q&A, which is fantastic. So I hope you guys have prepared some questions because we're going to open the floor and the mic and let you ask Jeff whatever you want to ask. Yeah. Okay, Patricia, wait. We've got a mic for you. Do you think that Bitcoin is that viral moment?

Do you think that is becoming a viral movement? So I think Bitcoin is us, right? At the bottom of Bitcoin, we are the nodes, right? We either have control by that decentralized control or we don't, right? And so Bitcoin, there is no Bitcoin without us. We are Bitcoin. And so you are both defending it, using it,

expanding it with your energy. And so, yes, you have all of that. We have all of that. And what Bitcoin is, is because of that, it's imposing a new discipline, one that's bounded by energy and is decentralized and secure that nobody controls. That new discipline is imposing everything I just said. And so by taking action in it, you're part of the emergent properties that are creating this new version of reality

that is different from the version of reality that people are in from a fiat. Why it feels so different is because you're not just observers of it. You're part of it. So how many people in this audience run nodes? Wow, that's a lot. So when I say you're part of it,

you're part of it. you know when and if you're running a node and you're taking agency and you're and you're looking at knots versus core or you're looking at you you um or you're looking at the quantum risk or you look you're taking agency so now you're aware of all of what what would happen out of a centralized system trying to shake you out right and you're and you're aware of uh of that as well and i'm I'm not saying you should take this side or this side. Lots of people will. But you have a choice.

And the choices of all of that is what Bitcoin is. Thank you. Yeah, Paola. I want to say one thing. Think about running a node like you're running the node of your life. If your life is a node, if you are a node in your own game of your own life

then wouldn't you be interested in what the next version is and what you need to download or what you need to choose and yet often times we live life on an automatic pilot without even reading the manual or stopping to look at the upgrades. It's like what's

happening to me? What should I choose now? Like start taking those lenses into your life and looking at how you live your life from those lenses of Bitcoin. And that's why it's such a reflection and manifestation of who you are. Deep stuff.

Yeah. Just something light to open the morning with in Prague, you know? Jeff, you said that even people in this room will sell their Bitcoin for fiat money. What does it take for that not to happen? Is it a spiritual awakening of some kind? so I can't tell you that for any single person

nor be mad or anything else it just is right if you understand human nature if you understand what people will tell themselves to protect their own family and there might be a choice that they should

right and okay I just want to and everything else and it's okay I'm not judging anybody in this I just realize that this transition is so big that that's likely what's gonna happen and though those Bitcoin will go to somebody else right and it will distribute further and that and it and it just is that's what it so I'm I'm not here to tell you what you should do or shouldn't do I'm just telling you kind

of what is likely to happen what I'm going to do right what or I think I'm going to do right you don't trust verify the and but this transition we are so crazy early on this transition you were owning you if you own Bitcoin today you own a part of the new internet um how many people if you could have hold held part of the new internet from 1969 to today would hold it or would they have have sold their stock in the internet to somebody else. And so that's actually the representation because this is a protocol.

That's the representation you should think of. You own a part of the new internet and that's how early we are. Beautiful, any other questions? Yes, Dr. Jessica Rose. You guys, if you don't know Dr. Jessica Rose, you should. She's a speaker at the conference. She's a friend.

She's a surfer, badass, Bitcoiner. She's got like five PhDs in math. Can you please say who you are so that they know, and then we'll move on? Sure. Thanks, I wasn't expecting that. You raised your hand. I know, he put up his hand first.

Do you want to go first? Just go, and then he'll go. Here, you go. No, you go first. Oh, she's gorgeous. She's also gorgeous. I'm going to be quick then. I'm Bernardo from Brazil,

and I'm going through a personal journey that's very conflicting because I'm a content creator and I am a Bitcoin educator there and we have a YouTube channel, we're growing a lot and my personal experience and probably is the same for many people in this audience is

if you haven't escaped the rat race yet because you're still in the early stages of stacking and you have a responsibility towards your family of protecting them every single day I get the experience that it's much easier to stack harder and accumulate more wealth and buy more Bitcoin if you do the number go up thing. Because all of the consciousness of the people who are in a

lower stage of the scale of consciousness, they are more inclined to speculate. And if you build around number go up products or that kind of aspect of Bitcoin, a lot of people are more interested. So I'm curious about, Jeff, if you have practical tips, because most of us, we want to build the things that say, okay, accumulate Bitcoin, lower your time preference, be a part of the change. But I feel every single day, if I do that, it's much harder to get to people and get a bigger audience and make money actually. Yeah. So I think that's why this is going to be really hard so what you just described is i'm making a youtube audience there's more people on youtube i can make more money on the youtube audience and at some point you're going to be

cut off from youtube because what you're saying is is against a centralized system but you are going to be and so you you can't see the risk emerging from the centralized system because you're part of the centralized system and so you I can't tell you when I can't tell you how and everything else but I do know this that every single thing that's centralizing creates a reflex of action to what we're talking about now and so let's talk about it in conferences right now there's two conferences coming up I'm aware of one that was just mentioned in New Zealand one in Miami next year, they're both named, one's sovereignty, one's sovereign. And they're a reflexive action, this is too, against conferences that are centralizing

everything, right? And you can feel it, and you can feel the reflexive action, and what happens in the free market is, if everybody's over here, it creates value over here, right? And so right now what you described is most of the world is where you are, trying to make more and more money inside the system that is centralizing more and has to cut you off if you say something that's against it. I can't tell you when. I know Efrat, my friend, has been cut off.

I know some of my videos have been downgraded lots because of what I said. Think about what I say. shouldn't every major shouldn't all the major talking heads be talking about it does it tell you something that it hasn't been

anywhere and so so I can't tell you when you should do exactly what's right for you but I would be conscious of what's going to happen and I would start thinking about developing other audiences

and other things that can't be shut down because you'll be better protected. It might be a tiny bit of revenue today, but it'll be a bunch more tomorrow. Thank you. And from a personal experience, I also want to give you some hope as someone that is going through that transition exactly

and have consciously decided not to fight that game of views and talking about an NGU and all that stuff, which is not me at all. and I'm paying a price for it but the moment I chose I'm going all in with who I am and what I have to provide the world with

I don't know how it happened but the world just aligns and you know you would ask me three, four years ago if I would sit here doing what I'm doing now for a living having a podcast with three full-time sponsors to make me live in a very dignified way,

financially speaking, and earning money in Bitcoin, wow, I would never imagine that. But the universe just aligns with you the moment you decide to take action that is aligning your values and your mission. Once that is aligned, you know, you're on a track.

So, yeah, and it's not easy, but... It's funny. It's really easy. Okay, yeah. Not easy meaning you get kicked out, you get censored. That's not easy. You've probably heard me tell my story about when I was... All the boards, all the companies I was in in Fiat land,

and I went to my wife and I said, I can't do this anymore because now I know. And that was the creation of Ego Death. Most people don't know on Ego Death because when we raised the money, FTX was collapsing and everything else. We had $40 million for our first fund. We said we were going to raise $30. we oversubscribed it to 40 only 11 closed it was brutal this is after I said like take away all my

revenue of everything else saying I'm going all in and it was brutal but it aligned everything and I couldn't see what I see today if I was still in this other world kind of pretending to be to be So what you said, it feels hard because you have this thing in your mind that I need to do this thing to make enough money inside the rat race. You might find it's way easier. Yeah. I found it's way easier. Everything became easy.

It's liberating. Yeah. It's liberating and then you tell yourself, I wouldn't have it any other way with the hardship with the everything that's the way okay Jessica yeah self-sovereignty for sure I'm just wondering if I'm new to a lot of these ecosystems AI quantum bitcoin too do you know of anybody who's developing AI agents that would say be aligned with defending something like the bitcoin infrastructure because like you know I'm kind of a yes it's being built everywhere so I'm going to do a talk on Noster yeah about this this

topic but yes so it's the same thing that's happening in bitcoin you're seeing the centralized AI right you're seeing seeing this yeah giant money centralized kind of everything inside the inside that system is creating a reflexive action for decentralized open source. What's happening on Nostra, the agentic tech that's happening there very early still. But yes, it's absolutely happening. Maple AI, what's the name of the tool

that you pay per use of the decentralized? You guys know what I'm talking about? There's an AI where you pay per use on a decentralized platform built by Bitcoiners. Yeah, and Eric Kaysen is also working on a model. What's that? Brand? Pren, maybe.

Anyway, there are, yes, many projects like that happening. And you didn't say who you are. Oh, right. Can you just say? Yeah, I'm Jessica Rose. I'm going to be speaking on a panel tomorrow, health stuff, if you're interested in that. And the next day about mining, which I'm also very new to.

I'm more infamous than famous I suppose for speaking out against the tyranny that happened in the last five years I'm a data analyst primarily but yeah I just I don't like being told what to do

really that's why you're here the stuff you're talking about going within and pulling out who you are is like it's exactly where I am right now it's day to day it's going to be for a lifetime but like it's true

it's like the more you align and sometimes it's just about stopping and thinking about stuff and why you're doing something or why something happened it's like things kind of just fall into place and you don't have to do anything I'm still poor but you know

I kind of like it that way it's a humble way to live yeah anyway do you want to say a word about abundance? Yeah. Once you feel like you have abundance, you will have abundance. So in 2017, I was worth exactly zero, actually probably under zero. We lost everything. But most people don't even see that. What I realized I had with nothing is I had everything. All of the learnings, all of the everything else. I had my health. I had every friend. I had my family. I had everything I

could ever want and to be build back the money part of this was so easy yes from a because it wasn't the thing I was chasing it was never the thing I was chasing I realized you you have it you already have it all right and once you realize you already have it all things start to appear before you a hundred percent yeah I was going to speak last year and one of the things I was going to point out is that you can have all the money in the world all the bitcoin in the world but if you're not healthy it doesn't mean anything so it's for me it starts there i shouldn't say that i'm poor because i don't feel that way about myself at all i feel like i have absolutely fantastic thanks jessica last question here yes yes you with the cap yeah you

so i first wanted to thank both of you that you bring up such a topic at such a conference because I think it's so valuable and nice to do that and also very unexpected. Right. So thank you very much. I think that's what we really love doing, like exploring more and beyond and not just get stuck on the popular topics, right?

So that was a very nice experience. My question is, I really like your picture of Bitcoin being a teenager in an identity crisis. and the question is how do you see the past this teenager becomes a loving compassionate grown up

and not an angry person who is just bashing on people and knowing better yeah that's why I said that is coming from ego and that is if you've seen David Hawkins map of consciousness so take a look

at it just google it afterwards and And if you found, I'm not saying this is good or bad, if you found Bitcoin because you were mad at the world, then it is very likely that you'll grab your identity in Bitcoin and be mad at the world. And it'll show up like that. It'll attract other people that are mad at the world.

And that will feel like love to you because it'll feel like group identity belonging. and because it feels like love to you you won't want to move to the next level of consciousness because you would be leaving something behind a whole bunch of your identity

in the thing that feels like it's attracting other people and so when I said that identity is us and it's kind of from whatever level you're looking at it you can see everybody getting caught in their own identity in this

I'm saying what Bitcoin will do I think for sure it will happen because it's the best of us inscribing ourselves in something for the best of us and as that does

it's going to impose this thing that's going to raise consciousness around the world because people are going to see they don't have to act the way they used to act inside a system that created that They're going to see who they can really be, and they're going to take steps higher and higher consciousness.

Your consciousness actually drives everything. It drives who you are, it drives the quality of your consciousness, it drives everything in your life. And so that will emerge, a higher consciousness. Operating on an honest foundation will force a higher consciousness around the world. People don't see that yet. They don't see how they will change through it. But I'm sure many people in this audience have changed through this.

I have changed through this. And we can expect that to happen globally, every single person, because this is going to be the new system. Beautiful. Thank you for the question. All right, guys, we have to wrap up. I just want to say in the next three days as you're here, remember that your energy is everything.

I mean, energy is life, right? So where you put your energy, that's where your focus goes, your attention goes. That's where you build. Be kind to people, put your energy where it's needed, guard your energy where it's not needed, be mindful of your energy and of who you are. And I really want to acknowledge each and every one of you for being courageous enough to say, yes, I'm going through a change, and you're here listening to this. It says something about who you are.

You have courage being inside of this, experiencing this, being with us in this conversation. So thank you so much for who you are. We appreciate it. I appreciate it. Yeah, you have no idea what kind of influence and impact you're gonna make in the world So go out there and make it and thank you so much