You're The Voice | by Efrat Fenigson - Born Into Monetary Reset: A Russian Orphan's Path - Anastasia Canonica | Ep. 124

Episode Date: February 24, 2026

Anastasia Canonica was born in post-Soviet Russia in 1991, the year the USSR collapsed and the monetary system reset overnight, erasing everyone's savings. She was placed in an orphanage at age 4 after her parents turned to alcohol amid the poverty crisis, spending ages 4-16 in Orphanage Number 5 in Novokuznetsk, Siberia. After her father's death when she was 11, she became consumed with anger and resentment, developing a physical growth on her body. At 13, she experienced a miracle healing through Louise Hay's book "Heal Your Body," learning to release resentment and forgive. After a two-year adoption process, Anastasia came to America at 16, right as the 2008 financial crisis hit. Ana shares her awakening journey and Bitcoin adoption, seeing it as a source of hope that the parallel centralized dystopian world doesn't have to be the only option.→ Please like, comment, share & follow — to help me beat the suppressing algo's. Thank you!– SPONSORS –→ Access liquidity without selling your Bitcoin with Ledn — learn more at https://ledn.io/Efrat    → Get your TREZOR wallet & accessories, with a 5% discount, using my code at checkout (get my discount code from the episode - yep, you’ll have to watch it): https://affil.trezor.io/SHUn→ Have you tried mining bitcoin? Stack sats directly to your wallet while saving on taxes with Abundant Mines: https://AbundantMines.com/Efrat - Claim your free month of hosting via this link– AFFILIATES –→ Get 10% off on Augmented NAC to detox Spike protein, with the code YCXKQDK2 via this link: https://store.augmentednac.com/?via=efrat (Note, this is not medical advice, please consult your MD)→ Join me at Europe’s largest bitcoin conference - BTC Prague, June 11-13, 2026. Code EFRAT for 10% off: http://btcprg.me/EFRAT→ Be good to your eyes & health, and get the Daylight tablet - a healthier, more human-friendly computer, zero blue light & flicker. Use code EFRAT for $25 off: https://bit.ly/Efrat_daylight → Get a second citizenship and a plan B to relocate to another country with Expat Money, leave your details for a follow up: https://expatmoney.com/efrat→ Watch “New Totalitarian Order” conference with Prof. Mattias Desmet & Efrat - code EFRAT for 10% off: https://efenigson.gumroad.com/l/desmet_efrat→ Join me in any of these upcoming events: https://www.efrat.blog/p/upcoming-events– LINKS –Ana on X: https://x.com/nastyhodl Ana on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/anastasia_living_life/ Efrat’s X: https://twitter.com/efenigsonEfrat’s Channels: https://linktr.ee/efenigsonWatch on all platforms: https://linktr.ee/yourethevoiceSupport Efrat’s work: ⁠https://bit.ly/zap_efrat– CHAPTERS –00:00 - Coming Up... 01:33 - Introduction to Ana04:15 - Ana’s Backstory, Soviet Collapse & Monetary Reset 09:42 - Ad-Break: Ledn & Trezor 13:00 - Orphanage at Age 4 18:35 - Grandma's Worthless Fiat Money 24:44 - Father's Death at Age 11 31:02 - The Physical Side Effects of Stuck Anger 33:59 - Ad-Break: Abundant Mines & New Totalitarian Order Conference36:20 - Louise Hay's Book: Heal Your Body 41:17 - The Miracle: Physical Healing Through Forgiveness 45:20 - Ana’s Brother Adopted by American Family 51:03 - The Adoption Offer59:44 - 2008: Arriving in America During Financial Crisis 01:03:24 - Music School & Finance School 01:05:40 - Learning the Broken Monetary System & Finding Bitcoin 01:09:44 - Covid Started The Great Awakening 01:15:06 - Energy, Bitcoin & Hope

I was born in post-Soviet Russia. If you went to work yesterday, you made a salary. Tomorrow you wake up and it is worth zero. All of that money, all of that work, all of those savings were gone. Didn't matter if you were a lawyer or a dishwasher, everybody woke up poor. I woke up the next day and as if overnight, I grew up. I was no longer an 11-year-old, I was an adult in a child's body. I became incredibly angry and resentful.

I was adopted and brought into the United States in 2008. You kind of start learning all the foundation of the financial system and all of the fear from the childhood, seeing my grandparents' fiat lying around. I'm like, oh my God. Money is the soil of economy, but if you have rotten soil, nothing will grow. You have fiat, government money that is rooted in energy, vibration, frequency of destruction,

theft, death, wars are financed by it. Bitcoin is that for me as an adult, and I think for many people, is it gives you this immense, huge, amazing hope that cannot be compared to anything else. Hello and welcome to another wonderful, great episode of You're the Voice. I'm here with Anna. Hello, my dear. Hi. So good to have you. So great to have you in your hometown.

I'm the visitor, but now you're my visitor. This is so cool. I had wanted to do this for a while. We talked about a year ago about doing this and now it's happening. So I'm stoked that it's finally happened. We met two and a half years ago or so. I think first time was in Amsterdam. Yeah, yeah.

Two and a bit. Yeah. And we connected straight away and we kept in touch. And every time I saw you, I was like, who is this angel? Who is this beautiful woman, beautiful human being, soul, whatever that, you know, I just I love your energy. I love meeting you every time. Our conversations always go so deep, so quickly. And if we didn't have to like stop here now to count down and then hit record, we would just talk, talk, talk because we have this chemistry between us. And when I was here in Miami a year

and a bit ago and you and Maz hosted me at your place, I was, first of all, I was blown away by the generosity to host me so thank you and secondly you told me some personal stuff about your your life and your background and it was so moving and I asked you whether you'd be willing to do this with me here in camera so I know that this may be a little bit you know exposed or sensitive for you so I really acknowledge you and appreciate you for for doing this because I do believe that your story can inspire many people and I think that your voice can make a lot of difference and so thank you for doing this first of all and secondly you are not the first one to feel daunted by doing like a podcast or an interview Isabella was doing her first one on

my show too and carla as well yes so you're with isabella and carla the same so you're you're just ask them they had a blast and you know i i'm with you so this is this is for us to to give a gift to people you know um so yeah let's start with your background By the way, Anna goes by Nasty Hoddle, right? You can find her on my ex-formally Twitter account, Nasty Hoddle. Nasty Hoddle. That's where you can find her on X if you want to keep in touch. So let's start with where you were born, where you came from.

How did your story start? Yeah. First of all, thank you so much for having me. What an honor to follow the footsteps of Isabella, Carla, some of the most incredible women in the space. But also you had Natalie. Of course, I have many women. Michelle, I have many. Monica is just really incredible.

What you do is so important. And the fact that you're able to recognize voices in not only just in the Bitcoin space, but I think globally is incredibly powerful. And I'm so grateful to be here and to do this with you. My background is a bit unique. I was born in post-Soviet Russia, early 1990s, well, 1991. Literally, that was the year of what's called perestroika, which is when the Soviet Union fell apart. And practically overnight, what happened is the government was reset and the monetary system was reset. So not a lot of people talk about it. But if you went to work yesterday and you made a salary, tomorrow you wake up and it is worth zero, nothing, essentially.

And back in the day, like people didn't have bank accounts. They would store cash, fiat, you know, old school under the mattress. There were no banks? I mean, there were banks, but like it wasn't only available for the rich. Like the majority of people didn't have bank accounts. And there was no, you know, robust system of debit cards, credit cards. This is like early beginnings of, you know, the system resetting. But then like normal people started having bank accounts like plebs or, you know, middle class, lower class Russians.

I want to say in the like late 90s, early 2000s. And even then it was like, oh, that's cool. I have a bank account. Wow. So a lot of people just lived off of cash and you get paid once a month, your full salary in cash. And what do you do? You plan ahead and you and you if you're able to, you save cash under the mattress. So all of that money, all of that work, all of those savings were gone practically. It was worth zero. Zero on that. Wow.

So think about it. When the Soviet Union collapsed, there's no more Soviet Union. the fiat that they had was USSR branded money, you know. So it's no longer relevant? Correct. It's no longer relevant. No more USSR and no more USSR money, you know. So it didn't matter if you were a lawyer or a dishwasher. Everybody woke up poor. Well, I was luckily I was very young. I didn't realize the severity of what was happening. I was literally just born, essentially. But the poverty level in Russia was so high is that there's a crazy statistic. More children ended up in orphanages, government-funded facilities, post-perestroika than after World War II when fathers didn't come home from war. Wow. Parents couldn't afford raising their kids? They couldn't

afford feeding their children. And putting kids in orphanages was a way to make sure your child is fed and is given clothes. So actually, a lot of families were putting their children temporarily in orphanages to at least feed them. And of course, to add to it, because the level of poverty and uncertainty was so high, many people turned to alcohol to numb. And Russia is known for loving their vodka. But vodka hits different when you're just poor and you don't know what tomorrow is going to bring, right? So long story short, I was one of those kids that was placed in an orphanage temporarily so I would at least be fed and I also have an older sister so what happened was my parents at a time young in their you know mid-20s late mid to late 20s they turned to

alcohol both of them both of them my mom was more of you know she really liked to drink and it was kind of in the family alcoholism was a thing but uh when there's just so much uncertainty when you don't know what tomorrow is going to be like Russia was a dark place so if you already are predisposed to addiction like a great way to you know uh speed it up uh and make it worse is uh uncertainty and uh poverty right yeah so long story short ah this is heavy yeah yeah right i know i know thank you so much for sharing that um ever find yourself needing cash but refusing to sell your bitcoin that's real life for many bitcoiners because most bitcoin sales aren't financial decisions, they're liquidity decisions. And that's exactly what Ledin solves. Ledin is

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And you started telling that story of how you basically never exposed that child to the world. And only now these years, you're starting to talk about that upbringing again and everything that happened. So I know it must be hard. This is definitely a first public interview sharing my childhood story, but I have I have done a little bit of the social acknowledgement to my past because I've, you know, over the years I've learned to honor the challenges that I've lived through and they've shaped me so well and they've allowed me to understand the world in such a different way.

So as much as, you know, the story is difficult, I have immense amount of gratitude of everything, how it conspired. But back to the 90s. So my parents were drinking quite a bit. I was four years old. My sister was six. And my grandparents at a time, you know, just so poor. it they're like you know what all these you know everyone is putting their kids in orphanages like maybe we should do that too you know and and the goal actually the way that my grandparents were thinking how they looked at it they were like okay well it's twofold the the kids will be fed and the parents might stop drinking and figure out their life and this way it was kind of like to motivate them to get their life together but also to make sure we're fed it was a temporary thing that the grandparents wanted to do and so yeah at four years old and my sister six we uh we ended up in an orphanage uh and this is like um it was called orphanage number five in Novokuznetsk

in the middle of nowhere in Siberia but funny enough it was actually an orphanage like in the middle of a um thriving city well it wasn't thriving at a time but it was a a city that was built actually during World War II to produce all the tanks and like steel rails for and also weapons too so it was a very industrial city and so the orphanage was actually right in the center like the main not a main street but close to the main street so you know looking back I used to just what we would walk around the city and it was like oh you know you're an orphan but like you got you get to get out and you get to explore and you get to see the world so it was slightly different from what i feel like people would imagine that orphanage would be like where you're just kind of

stuck in one place and don't get to see the world um my situation was a little bit better than you know other kids so you've experienced some level of freedom and yes so i went to a regular public school. Uh, and so the way that it was, uh, we, we lived in an orphanage, uh, there was like about 120 kids and all the children were divided by, uh, age groups. Right. So even though I had a sister, I actually didn't spend a lot of time with her because she was with the kids, um, her age and um yeah so once you turn seven you go to a local public school but in school everybody knows you're an orphan so you're bullied quite a bit oh really yes wow and you're always there's a in russia there was this system in school let's say great like first grade and it was uh a b and

c and a is like gifted kids b and also parents that are paying a little bit more to school eventually i figured it out uh b is like average and c is either you know not very smart challenged children or orphans yeah so how many orphans will be in a like a normal school like well let's say it was a common thing that yeah you had in that if let's say the orphanage is within the facility of that school it was a kind of like a partnership with that public school that they would accept the orphan kids yeah um i forgot all about this but so what happened was i would spend my year in an orphanage but then any time there was a you know uh what is it not a vacation gosh holiday like when the school was off when it's a break right summer break holiday break

yeah i would uh my grandparents would actually take us back uh my sister and i and we would spend time with the grandparents um so it was a little bit of like a boarding school set i i've never i don't really know how boarding schools work but my understanding is you drop off a kid for the remaining of like the semester and then the kid comes home essentially so in a way it was kind of like it which honestly I was a lucky kid because some children were did not have parents or grandparents that would go back yeah yeah so I got to see a little bit of both worlds right you know through the lens of an orphan and a lens of like oh I live with my grandparents in fact in school I used to be so ashamed of being an orphan because you were kind of looked down you

know like uh as if you chose to be an orphan um i used to lie that um i lived with my grandparents you know if i wanted to kind of hang out with the regular kids i'd be like oh i live with my grandparents yeah so but uh were you in touch with your parents throughout that time yes and no so my my father at first was visiting quite often almost in the very early days almost every day after work he'd stop in and wow and hang and he'd like everything he made he he really tried to make things better mom my mom kind of turned a bit more into drinking now she had less responsibilities right so the kids they're taking care of right she that was like actually an outlet for her where the grandparents thought it was like an opportunity to wake her up it was like

it's the other way yeah yeah exactly so um but over time it for my father became kind of like it's it's the kids or the wife uh he kind of had to take you know care of her and had to figure things out himself. So but yeah, they visited, they visited for my birthday. And I would see them occasionally when the grandparents would take us in, they would, you know, come by, but I didn't have like a very, like a strong relationship with my parents. But what I wanted to share is because I spent so much time with my grandparents, their house, because their youth, majority of their life was lived in the Soviet Union, right? So their house, my grandma would have all this Soviet fiat laying around, paper, money. And I would pay like everywhere, like

everywhere I look, I swear, I really do hope she still has it because I wish I grabbed some and just kind of show it and you know as a memorabilia but I would occasionally you know just pick it up I'm like grandma what is this you know I'm just a little girl running around and and grandma would look at me and she would have this like sadness in her face and and she'd say oh uh well I used to be able to buy bread with this like I worked this is money that I worked for but it's no longer worth anything wow and that was kind of that set this question because you know you're young you don't understand why is grandma so sad yeah talking about this paper money of yeah i guess you just don't get it just yet at that age but what you do get is the deep sadness and nostalgia and there's

this like it's almost like kids can they they can read energy I feel like when you're so like you're pure you're not yet you know corrupted by this big you know challenging difficult world and I remember just I felt this I felt this like not just sadness but I it's it what I felt what When grandma would say, I used to be able to, and she used to always say, and she'd say, I used to buy bread and I used to be able to afford a new dress every time. Back in the Soviets, I guess she was able to afford a new dress on her salary every time she got paid. But after the monetary system was reset and the prices were all out of whack and, you know, the Russian Federation and they tried to implement this, you know, their version of democracy and free market. And that really, when it came to pricing things, you know, clothes was out of reach. Like it was just so expensive.

Wow. Post-Soviet that your regular salary, you can't just go and buy yourself a new dress. you know so it's i can't even imagine you know living all your life in a in a certain world where certain things are available to you and then practically overnight your life just you know shifted upside down while the government or the state still has the power to print that money and provide for themselves or for orphanage or for schools or for any public system that's a very great way of controlling people where you take everything away from them and then they become completely dependent on you yes yeah it's heartbreaking yeah go on it's uh it's something

that kind of started this it's that a fear in my heart that what if history was to repeat itself right what if uh we were to wake up again and the money system reset and new money again you know And as I got older, I would I would kind of question it more. And it's something that's like when you're just so young, you don't get it. But there is this like nut in your stomach, like what if, you know, and, you know, fast forward when I moved to the States and I learned about the monetary system. When I went to finance school, all my fear from my childhood just reignited back. I'm like, it is so very much possible for a system to be reset when it is the way that it's set up, right? The centralized.

Then you receive the explanation to what actually happened. Yeah. Okay. And if I'm taking you back to when you're still a child in the orphanage, at what point did you leave? I mean, for how long were you there? I was there from age four to 16. And were you happy? Yeah, what meant to be a short-term kind of thing that the grandparents set out to do,

because I had an older sister at the time, after about a year, they saw, you know, the parents weren't doing any better with the drinking, but they decided, you know, maybe it's time to take the grandchildren back. But my sister refused. she actually made the decision that it's better to stay in the orphanage than to go back and live with our grandparents. And as a younger one, I didn't have a say. So we kind of ended up staying in an orphanage. Yeah, for majority of our childhood. Was I happy? That's a very good question. How did you feel living there? I want to say and that's the beauty of growing up is

between i think four to nine ten it is what it is you kind of just kids are like oh you know life yeah i i do remember feeling this like intense loneliness um i remember myself uh standing by the window a lot and just looking out and i think what you know that i kind of think about why why i did that is like waiting i think i was waiting like mom and dad are gonna come back we're gonna you know it so it was even though it wasn't like so pronounced that I wanted you know to be back with the family I think but me just literally I spent so many hours standing by the window looking out wow yeah and after the age of nine yeah it's when the when the puberty kicks in a little bit you start to really question a lot more and the hormones are

going crazy. And what something happened, actually, so, you know, between you just kind of growing up and questioning a little bit more, my father passed away when I was 11. So I guess four to 11. It was like, I'm okay. I you know, I wasn't unhappy. I wasn't happy. I was just being a kid you know but uh so i don't know do i really want to go into the there's the depth of this up to you my friend up to you you feel free to say whatever you feel so my father after all these years finally because my grandparents had this theory that if only dad left mom mom is the troublemaker. If the father leaves the mother and just continues to work at it, he'll be able to eventually take the kids and we live happily ever after. So between me and my sister, our father was

the shining light. Dad is going to figure it out. Dad is going to leave mom. You know, we just kind hear these conversations amongst the the family and so um finally dad decides to leave mom and he gets a very good job back in the day you know if a job had you travel you know outside the city for business that's like oh that's a really good job you know the company is sending you on on a work trip and so my sister and i knew he was on the work trip and uh we were like okay that's it when dad comes back from this work trip he's gonna come back and get us is this like amazing hope in our hearts like it's gonna happen and uh he comes back from this work trip he my understanding he gets paid which again money cash money in an envelope and the very

next day after he was found dead wow yeah and that was the the whole world comes crashing that's literally when when your entire life is built up to this moment like dead it's gonna get us dead it's gonna save us but you know he's gonna he's gonna do his thing And yeah, I remember when I found out that that happened, that was evening, I woke up the next day. And as if overnight, I grew up, I was no longer an 11 year old, I was an adult in a child's body. there was this sense of like someone just taking my um innocence innocence uh taking my uh whatever the the pink glasses uh you know kind of you look through this eyes of a child like i just didn't have that anymore i suddenly saw the world for what it was and it was a scary place Wow. I was able to, I knew when adults were lying to each other, when they were deceiving one another, I saw it. And as a kid, you don't know how to handle it. So I just would scream, she's lying, she's lying.

And they would look at me like, who is this crazy child? So because I didn't know how to take that, I became incredibly angry and resentful. I became just, I thought adults were like the worst thing on earth because they were so like, you know, always, you know, never honest, you know, always with some sort of agenda, underlying agenda. And on top of it, you know, growing up, we weren't really pushed the religion very much. But I think children naturally are very spiritual and very connected. And I naturally would pray like as a kid. No one taught me like, hey, this is what you do. And this is the prayer you say. You kind of you just feel that there is this there's something beyond the physical. and you're naturally like my sister and I would like just pray yeah dear God you know help our

parents figure it out amazing yeah so um but once my dad passed away I became incredibly angry at God right whoever you are you took the only hope I had in this world right f you this sucks be i became incredibly um suicidal i would contemplate a lot of actually committing a suicide and jumping off uh uh like a higher floor but i just never like i was smart enough to realize that just i never lived in like a high enough building like i just wouldn't do anything i would just hurt myself because it was like either second floor a third floor really i don't even think I've ever been like on the above like fifth floor you know so um yeah I became incredibly angry uh resentful and just it's it's something that you know looking back um it obviously was

a way for me to protect myself I didn't know how and so the only way is to like rebel resent and that kind of went on for a few years I also before this whole thing happened I was like a straight A student always like overachiever going above and beyond and once I was like screw this this sucks I was like just didn't do any work at school like really all the teachers were like Anastasia but you're so talented and I'm like I don't care you sabotage that yeah yeah there was there's kind of like nothing to look forward to like there's you know there's there's one world in which there's a lot of hope and there's a lot of opportunity and then there's like well this is what it is and it's me myself and I like no one is coming to save me dad is not here

uh and so this yeah so a few a few years of that uh until it until something happened actually a little bit of a miracle we're going in many directions here and hopefully i i hope to know this is great this is great uh and how it how deeply i connect with with the idea since we met yeah through the bitcoin space so i developed this uh growth uh on my body that the you know the doctors at the time so around 12 13 i think and the doctors at the time said look we can operate it um but it what what happens usually is it kind of assist things so it may grow back or may grow around. And I remember the thing just kept kind of getting worse and worse and was kind of hard to move my arm. And I used to go to this nurse in an orphanage that would put

a medicine on it to try and kind of, you know, maybe extract whatever the growth was. And so I had a conversation with my nurse in an orphanage and she just looks at me one day and she says, Anastasia you do realize this growth is uh stuck anger and resentment and when I heard her say that it's like she spoke my language I knew exactly that she a she was right because yeah the last two years I've been so angry and I've been so upset with the world no wonder I developed a growth so and then she also added something else to it she said and by the way it's not a coincidence you're in an orphanage um something must have happened maybe in the past life and i'm like what past lives i was like wait past lives what no i've never heard anyone talk about it but

i've contemplated that in my own head that resonated with you it resonated with me so much so she um she actually ended up giving me a book by uh louise hay american author translated in Russian. The book is called Heal Your Body. And I started reading the book and this woman, she was specializing in kind of connecting physical ailments to emotional and mental energy imbalance. And she herself essentially healed herself from cancer without needing chemo or anything by just doing the work that required forgiveness letting go and looking in the mirror and telling yourself you're worthy you're you're worthy of all the good in the world so um i did that i read the book at 13 yeah yeah you're 13 years old and you have that level of understanding

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also has this little mantra that you can repeat to help and yeah move that um so uh i remember i started reading the book and i immediately started doing her exercise and forgiveness was a big one so i had to be like okay mom dad i forgive you it's not your fault wow it's not you both were in an orphanage yeah well and and because there was she the only way she was able to heal herself from cancer is because she had to do the unimaginable is to forgive her stepfather who raped her oh my god which is how she developed cervical cancer for all of her life she had this incredible pain and resentment and anger towards him right so i was like wow well first of all thank god like my situation is way better here right you had a point of reference

my point of reference is like i guess i'm not doing so bad yeah i'm in an orphanage like but let's face it you know but i i started doing this she would she said you know you have to write it and even if you don't feel like it you have to like fake it till you make it like just write it push yourself, force yourself, write it. So I'm like, Mom, Dad, I forgive you. God, I forgive you for taking my dad from me. And sure enough, exactly day seven. And by the way, this thing that my growth, they were so close to operating it because it was started to get really painful. Day seven of me writing this, Mom, Dad, I forgive you. I remember just literally as I put the pen down the thing just burst wow it burst and i and i remember actually feeling like the forgive like

you know when you feel something like with your heart that you're doing something it was the an emotional release like i no longer hold yeah this resentment towards you know this thing this this phenomenon i'm sorry that i'm stopping you for a second that that's something that i have witnessed experienced but also have seen other friends of mine go through in recent years like in the last decade where they were handling and facing courageously a lot of their you know demons or traumas or you know past stories and with myself as well and when we got to the point of okay we're we're getting over this like it's time to let go of this and move to the next level then you have stuff like that happening of like literal poison or toxicity built in the body that

is being released I had that like I don't want to say where but somewhere in my body I had that so in 2021 and I went to the doctor because I didn't know how to do it myself and they had to like pierce it and stuff came out and and it was what the hell it never happened to me before and another good friend of mine had a similar thing happened as well it's as if the body is it's insane huh her her body that vessel is speaking to us is holding the energies and the frequencies that we hold and live with for so many years and when we're ready to let go the body lets go too Yeah, yeah. It's magical. This body of ours is like, it's a miraculous machine, but also you have to know how to listen to it, how to work with it. And we store everything in our body. Every emotional pain that we lived through since literally the day we were born is stored somewhere in our body. And a lot of people don't know why they have the back hurts or this hurts.

You know, chances are it's not just because they're sitting in the wrong chair. Oh, yeah. But also the chair might be the issue, but it's probably something having to do with emotion, emotions, limited belief systems. And also a lot of it has to do with, yeah, just pain and resentment and not understanding why life deals you a certain thing. And the way that you deal with it is actually by just storing this intense energy in your body. Yeah.

Yeah. All right. Let's go back. So this happens. This is the growth is being released. And I mean, that was the beginning, you know, of kind of my rebirth in the way. Because by witnessing that miracle and just and the relief, not only it was so profound. I'm 13, right?

I'm a child. and here i'm learning that by just thinking and feeling you can heal yourself wow and the doctors was supposed to like do this big operation they were telling me how this is all you know a serious thing and it may come back it just bursts and in the release and and so long story short that reignited my i think my belief in god and my belief in okay there's something beyond this that I don't understand but I can no longer first of all I can no longer be angry because I don't know I don't want another one of these I can't be I can't have like care like go around this world and be this angry kid as I was for two years like I didn't I don't want to feel that pain ever again

but also part of the work that I you know kind of forgot to mention in the book alongside of writing the the forgiveness letter to whoever's hurt you possibly you know if if the ailment is connected to that she does uh she talks a lot about mirror work where you literally have to look yourself in the mirror and you have to tell yourself you're worthy of all the goodness in the world and i love you yeah and for me you know it's hard for so many people oh my god it's so hard i remember i had a girlfriend in college and she was having all kinds of life issues and i was like michaela we're going to the mirror and you're gonna look at yourself in the mirror and you're gonna say i love you she couldn't do it it broke my heart it's so hard like i didn't realize i mean

as a kid you're kind of like i was willing to try anything yeah but especially as we get older the more we carry those like feelings that that's why you know that emotional pain and ends up calcifying in cancer yeah because with time and continuously giving it energy yeah that's how unfortunately people get really really sick so anyways i you know i've witnessed a miracle and that reignited my interest in okay what else is there I don't know and I was just so hungry for knowledge I was like I need to know more this is amazing but also because I was giving myself love and I was doing the mirror work it turns out when you are nice to yourself you're nice to others I was just like so nice to others suddenly they didn't bother me I didn't bother me that the

adults lie i'm like let them be you could still see it but it didn't trigger you it didn't trigger me because uh it's it's almost like if you're in the frequency of just like joy and love and and you're just like i was still i think it took me a while probably to actually kind of come down from this cloud of the miracle that i witnessed you know it's like it was actual physical pain like i couldn't even move my arm for a while i still still have this scar i think you know, it was like God's way to be like, hey, remember this, of course. Yeah. Yeah. So fast forward what happened because I've lightened up and I, you know, stopped being an emo child, suicidal, crazy kid. I got back to, you know, doing really well in school, showing up, doing a ton of

extracurriculum activities. Oh, my gosh, I did it all. I danced, I sang, I played guitar, I ran track. I mean, I don't even know how I did half the stuff that I did. And fast forward, I was 14. Well, actually, so at some point in this whole story of before my dad passing, trying to remember if it was like, what year it was, my mother got pregnant miraculously somehow, again, while I think i was i think i was eight i was eight when she gave birth but i we never saw the baby my mother uh gets pregnant she gives birth to uh a brother of mine his name is sergey and almost instant well not instantly but he was she leaves because she was at that when i say miraculously at that point her level of disease like alcoholism like she has completely

given up on even trying like wow she's i don't even know how her body was able to hold a baby right like the level of intoxication that she was in on a regular basis right so but she gives birth to this baby boy and uh shortly after you know i think he was maybe one and a half or the timeline is starting to really feel blurry but he was adopted by an american family and uh we knew my sister and i knew okay we have a brother and we were told that he was adopted we i may have seen him once but this was so long ago i i do i think i saw him once literally once like as an infant yeah yeah so never heard about it again never been spoken about until I'm 14 years old you know and now I'm like this happy kid who you know is just willing and able

to do all the wonderful things in the world there was just such uh I was so happy like I the way you saw me you know oh who is this girl like that's I think something happened in that moment of healing and letting go of anger and resentment it gave me this lightness to like be playful again to enjoy life however difficult or challenging it was I was able to find I was actually actively looking for positive you know things to focus on it really works turns out if you focus on the positive you get more positive things come your way so out of nowhere this gentleman uh from saint petersburg he traveled he was a journalist he traveled to our small little city in siberia to the orphanage and he basically was somehow got in touch with our

brother's family and they were looking to reconnect with the boy's sisters and uh the parents at the time posted on this uh um like a forum like a where a lot of american parents were kind of kind of sharing their experience with adoption um and so yeah my brother's family uh they reached out on this forum and said hey we know our son has older sisters we do not know how to get in touch with them somehow this journalist uh was able to see the message and He's like, you know what, I'll help you find them. And so, yeah, he traveled, found the orphanage and connected with us and did a little like a video story about us to send to the family. And he left an email address to the family to connect with.

And so I remember this was like early days of the Internet in Russia. so but as an orphan turns out not very few places schools even had the internet is like you have to go to like a special place the uh local library had internet connection and you you know you pay certain amounts but as an orphan you get to use the internet for free which was great so i remember going to this local library and um creating my little email address and starting emailing with uh my brother's family and back then the google translator was terrible you could you could barely understand things but uh you kind of get the gist of the because you weren't speaking english at the time no no i didn't speak in english at all and so i started emailing back

and forth with my brother's mom and i fell in love with this woman i remember thinking to myself who is this person to show me goodness in the world because Russia was at the time I just it always felt like this gray gloom sad place like all the people are like very closed off and they have a big wall and I now understand I guess as an adult I'm like well yeah if I woke up one day and all of my life savings were gone it makes you very yeah you don't trust the government you don't trust your neighbor like things makes you rough makes you very yeah yeah so so but communicating with someone who has this and remember I had this like lightness and joy in my heart so to be able to communicate with someone with that same level of joy and love and hope it was like a breath of

fresh air right never in the million years have i thought because i was like 14 15 like this is around that time that this family would ever come and say hey guys let's all live together but guess what after like about a year of emailing each other my brother's family with him they come all the way from new york long island new york to siberia small little town of novo kuznetsk and i remember um we all said my sister myself we didn't speak english so there was an interpreter the orphanage um director you know this is like a big like meeting room wow and the first question that comes out of my then brother's mom the first question that comes out of her mouth is like do you guys all want to live together wow and when the trend when the interpreter translated it i was

in shock i am 14 my sister is 16 yeah i think normally no one wants to adopt no it's that unheard of it's unheard of teenagers to be adopted it's very rare and there there were some stories but typically they don't work out very well because you know as a grown-up child like you just already are so set in your like a lot of kids yeah at the very end of the adoption process right there's stories of them like pulling you're pulling out of the process like oh I can't do it you know so so what did you say so I mean I was in shock my sister was like America she was so excited wow my sister was so excited and I remember just thinking to myself wow first of all what an opportunity but at the same time you know i'm the smart kid i'm like i

didn't i i was immediately started thinking of like logic here like i don't speak the language yeah i cannot understand like it would take me a while to even understand but very practical Very practical. And then in my head, I'm like, you know, I'm like, I kind of I had it good for the what I like the cars that I've been dealt. I figured out my way. And I knew if I just had a good head on my shoulders and continued the path that I was going, I would do very, very well in Russia. Right. I just knew it. I knew I was going to go to the best university because, you know, the government did support the orphans quite a bit. They allocated a lot of funding to like some of my friends from the orphanage. They eventually, once they graduated, they received like a free apartment. right like you get like a living yeah it's like millions of rubles essentially just like here you go so i knew if i just did everything right i was going to be a very successful person in russia and here i have this family this lovely family of my brother who i just met for the second time they're like hey do you want to go and live in america and so it took me like a day or two but

i of course i said yes yeah i mean what what and you moved uh at 15 16 well so because we were older my sister and i it took two years the adoption process was very um long long and it was just yeah but i guess hope came back because you had something to look for well it was one of those things where it's like because it takes so long and now like i'm older two years is nothing right you're like but when you're a child it's forever it's forever and everyone in an orphanage were like oh you're so you're so silly you think this angel woman you're delusional it's never gonna happen yeah she's gonna come and save you and take you to the land of the free you know like kids were so mean and would like just make fun of me and even the adults even the

teachers in the orphanage they were like you really think it's gonna happen you know it's like two years is a very long time so but it happened and uh i remember well one thing that unfortunately so by the time all the paperwork was done my sister turned 18 which legally you cannot be adopted at 18 years old wow so uh she couldn't be adopted um although my mom my now mom my mom that adopted me she wanted to bring my sister maybe on the student visa figure something out but uh my sister was already like she graduated the orphanage she was living on her own she was enjoying her freedom and at the time she made the decision that she didn't want to take the chance yeah yeah so you went on your own I went on my own and I did take some English classes

throughout the two years of waiting it was interesting because my mom would send me kind of like this to like a tutor money yeah to pay like the English tutor and you know out of four classes i take like three and then i would like i was the only kid in an orphanage who had like pocket money i was like yes would go and buy like things you actually need yeah um but yeah no i i i remember uh when the there was a court uh day yeah when you go to a court and the judge assesses the adoption situation and they actually you know because i am you know a teenager they give you a say they're like anastasia with all the facts presented are you still willing to go through with this and you know be adopted and i was like

yep i've been i was ready yesterday let's go and yes so everything was final uh adoption went through i got you know we were on the plane everything felt so surreal honestly it just like looking back i'm like is this like how is this happening and honestly if i really am being um if i'm looking at the facts what happened was you know speaking of like the the stock resentment and anger and things that hold us back as humans in life right i don't think like have i not forgiven my past have i not witnessed a miracle of healing have i not released resentment and anger i don't know if this door uh how things played out with the american family i don't know if uh that would open up or if it work out that is very possible that you created that timeline

In the way I saw, you know, as a kid, you're just so much more aware. You're so much more in tune with what's happening. I remember just that moment of release. It was like giving you a key to a door. And now the possibilities are endless. Here you go. You just open this door, this heavy door full of memories and anger and resentment. in and by such a young age you were able to restart yeah like many people i mean this and

look at your story you started this the story with the fact that when you were born the country restarted yeah and then at 13 you restarted and it's like you are very advanced like most people go through a whole lifetime without having even one reset in their life like they never level up They never really process what has happened to them and let it go and then move on to the next phase. And you, in such a young age, went through all these things. Yeah. And, you know, bringing you to a situation in which you're a young woman and, like, the whole world is ahead of you. And everything is behind you.

And you have this perspective that most people don't have. It's incredible. well things get even more interesting because i was born after soviet union fell apart monetary reset i was adopted and brought into the united states 2008 and then financial crisis bang look at the timing you have girl timing i joke that i i tend to enter countries during during financial no wonder you got into bitcoin yes yes um so obviously again absolutely we all have something karmatic with money with us i don't know if you've heard the story from carla or from natalie or they came from communistic countries as well i mean their parents from poland from romania

with me my grandparents i mean my surname fennigson fennig is a coin in germany it's the it's the penny of germany back in the days and and it's the smallest coin and zon is sun so it's like the poor sun and so i have a connection to money somehow as well ancestral yeah some kind of ancestral lineage so i it's just that i'm discovering that so many of the women in this space have some i don't know some kind of karmatic connection to money it's really interesting so you come to the states and then great financial crisis in 2008 yeah yeah it was again i i had no idea i had to figure out my life this brand new life i have to learn the language it was uh quite difficult honestly because i was the smart kid i i knew how to navigate life in russian and all of

a sudden you're in this underdog position i had the same when i moved to australia at 21 and i i spoke english but not great so i had to like spend good six months in getting up to speed with the language it was hard i definitely i didn't look back and wonder have i made the right decision like the decision has been made like there's no turning back by any means but i remember just for days on after after coming back from high school i would just cry in my room like i'm never gonna learn english it's hard it's very hard yeah but i do now that i'm a little bit older i realized that because of the difficult childhood that i had once i was adopted and new life started i wanted nothing to do with the old life right i kind of completely shut down uh the the the

the childhood the you know call it you know my inner child but it was interesting I didn't realize that it was also a way of protection and a way to move forward right but yeah I finally you know I graduated high school was great my mom to this day she's like she has no idea how I did what I did. Wow. What really helped actually with English language is I because so because in Russia we take chemistry, physics, all these like heavy duty courses very early on, like fifth grade, sixth grade. Wow. Somehow some of the school credits got transferred. However, they evaluated me here in the States at the high school. They're like, well, she already is done. She's done all this stuff she really just needs algebra english and uh american history uh to to pass this um

yeah you know high school level uh whatever the diploma environment yeah so there was this school in long island where you went to it was like a trade school but they had a music program and uh my mom knew i was you know singing dancing doing all this stuff back in russia she's like maybe you'll be okay in the music school and i basically half of the day i went to that school half the day and i went to a regular high school half the day and i was learning music theory music history and singing in english and also other you know it was like some classical in italian whatever but i think it really allowed me to learn the language beautiful quite quickly but also So because you're literally singing it out, you're able to hear the pronunciation.

And I was trying so hard not to sound like a typical Russian accent person. Like, I didn't want it. Amazing. So I was really, like, listening. And I would practice. I remember. And if, you know, certain words, I couldn't really understand the difference for a long time. But once I got it, I'm like, yes.

Beautiful. Yeah. And take us, since we're going towards the end of our hour, take us to what has brought you. You said you wanted to connect this with how we met and what you're doing today. Yes. Like, how does this connect to us? Time flies, right? So what happened was I went to a finance school.

So first, I couldn't figure out what I wanted to do with my life. Music was a big part of my teenagehood. So I actually wanted to pursue a music therapy program. But the school I ended up going to was like a state university school in New York, upstate New York. I didn't like the school. So I remember having to kind of figure out, OK, what do I want to do? I knew I wanted to make a comfortable living and I wanted to have financial stability in life. So I remember just calling my mom and I said, Mom, I'm going to move to New York City.

I found this finance school. It was like a city Baruch College school. Actually, Frank Gorba taught there. Really? Not when I was there, but he was teaching there. Okay. Funny coincidence, small world. But my mom was like, okay, well, do you know how much rent is?

She was like, how are you going to, I'm like, mom, I'm going to figure it out. So I worked two jobs in the summer, saved everything. I'm like, I'm going to pay rent. I'm going to this finance school. and uh sure enough econ 101 you kind of started learning all the foundation of the financial system and all of the fear from the childhood seeing my grandparents fiat laying around my knees reset i'm like oh my god wow this system is so broken it is so corrupt and it's literally is holding on by like band-aids at this point like the way that i saw it then i was like

something like this is not uh sustainable this is gonna this is a house of cards that is going to fall and it's gonna fall bad bad and i also remember it's going to erupt just like your growth right at one point it's going to release yes all that toxicity building up um they're i don't know if they still have it uh brian park there's a building on 42nd street in new york city that um they have the national debt clock on the building uh-huh it's not the one that they have on like the website online yeah it's a little bit more simple it has the the national debt amount and then your family's share underneath first of all think about it like to me i remember when i saw it for the first time like something feels incredibly wrong about this

and then i looked deeper into the the um the national debt and i realized that based on this national debt every child that's born in this country is instantly in debt uh last time i checked 111 000 the minute you come out the minute they cut the cord you're indebted to this country because it says uh debt per citizen right because they break it down debt per citizen of course because it's on you that's what people don't understand they think it's a national that it's someone else's it's the country no no you're a part of that country if you're a citizen you hold the burden okay so luckily what happened around the time i was in school i i met my now husband's boyfriend at the time you know michael um muz muz yes and he was obsessed with bitcoin at the time

i remember he would have like a tone vase in the background on youtube like these are early days 2013 you know and i instantly understood the premise of what it is here to fix however i was still a bit too young to like just go all in and also i didn't wasn't making a lot of money but also I was like in my early 20s trying to like graduate college find you know the big girl job I was I remember every time I tell Michael I'm like why didn't you orange pill me harder he go he always kind of jokes he says that I was crying I wanted to pay taxes at the time because it's like I thought that like being a productive member of society means paying your own fair share like looking back who i am today and the person that was crying wanted to be texted

i'm like oh my god okay he has a point he could not have orange filled me if i you weren't mature enough no no i wasn't mature enough i you know i i knew like the big picture like i kind of started kind of making sense of the broken system uh and of course my childhood did help to kind of understand the severity yeah what could happen right but you know the the beautiful thing of the u.s dollar being the world reserve currency is that you can constantly do this thing called quantitative easing you can find all these very clever ways to continue to keep the can down the correct mitigate the further but so um it wasn't until covid is when everything and i know covid was also a big time for you like i think for many people it was a time of awakening absolutely and

i remember uh i was i woke up one day and that's when like the vaccines came out they were starting to force vaccinate. They were also they were printing out of the wazoo to literally pay people to sit at home. I had a small business at a time. I was feeding my neighborhood a cafe. I couldn't find employees because people were making more money sitting at home collecting unemployment check instead of coming to work. Yeah. So I remember just sirens in my head going off thinking, oh my god bitcoiners were right they're printing so much money hyperinflation is going to follow obviously that's what happens and then the the the forced vaccination part was okay so this is like you mean the mandates and the yeah yeah the this is beyond just uh

the money like something else the overreach dark somewhere something dark something evil is going on yeah and it was like this wake-up moment where before i would i knew things were wrong but i was like ah ignorance is bliss right to the light i was the same best yeah and then here it's like so in your in your face you can't ignore it anymore yeah you can't ignore it and that started my, I remember just everything I made money-wise. I'm like, we're buying, like, what are we doing with our lives? Let's sell everything. Let's buy Bitcoin. I even told my husband, you know, I became so crazy obsessed and, you know, that kind of started my Bitcoin journey, like really starting going to conferences. But at some point I looked at my husband and I said, should I,

should we sell my diamond ring beautiful buy some bitcoin and he just kind of left and he's like i like the way you think but keep keep the ring keep the ring beautiful um i think you know kind of to bring it all back because i shared a little bit about you know the the healing journey the i think ultimately what bitcoin represents um you know in my in the way that i see it and through my life journey that i see it is covid started something where the this this this energy split in the world like not energy split but as we we're seeing it very profoundly right now it as if there's two parallel worlds happening you know on the political level you have left the right everything is a little upside down you know the the medical system that's supposed to heal you

actually hurts you. Everything just feels so broken and so out of whack. It is because the underlying thing that's holding it all together is this terribly broken money. They say money is the soil of economy, but if you have rotten soil, nothing will grow. Absolutely. And honestly, you know I know we only have a few minutes but as I get a little bit older and as I'm witnessing like I'm also understanding this shift in society shift in just people kind of starting questioning life I really think what's going on is the sub like we are essentially moving into this there are two parallel worlds that are emerging and one is centralized dystopian smart city take all the boosters like do everything the government says and the other parallel world

that is happening where bitcoin is thriving where a lot of people that even maybe don't even know about bitcoin just yet yeah but they're waking up in other different ways they're finding ways to be sovereign they're finding to be more decentralized yes decentralized right so uh no single government and of course we still have a long way to go but what uh bitcoin for me what bitcoin allows is complete up out from the matrix from that sick system the sick dirty awful system And the thing is, is like how I saw Bitcoin essentially and why it's I know it's the only true, honest money that exists today. It's actually probably the most important thing, the most important innovation. I think actually the Internet was just to like it was good.

You know, it was made life great. You know, you can communicate with people across the world like you can do all this trade. but i think the internet was like a setup for bitcoin to emerge yeah because essentially the most broken part of our lives is money and a lot of people don't know like they feel something is wrong but they just don't know it's the it's the money that they're using on on daily basis and i really want to go into this whole idea of um energy a little bit because you know tesla he's like famous now right he has this quote um if you want to understand the secrets of the universe think in terms of energy frequency and vibration yes nikola tesla nikola tesla uh he was obviously

he was always living like beyond his years when he was understanding how the universe works And Bitcoin, essentially, if everything is energy, if everything is vibration, you have fiat government money that is rooted in energy, vibration, frequency of destruction, theft, death, wars are financed by it. it is this heavy awful and plus also it is stealing exploitation exactly stealing from future generations and then you have this honest money that no one controls you can't print more of it you can it cannot be stolen from you if you know how to properly store your bitcoin no one can take it away from you it's the only truly unconfiscatable asset you can have in life you know so i think ultimately what's happening is like if humanity is to evolve if we are and that's i think the whole point of life is evolution like we've always had amazing technology of all

like we we don't live the same way humanity lived a hundred years sure 100 200 500 years ago we've always had evolution but the money hasn't evolved right with technology until now and um if if we are to evolve we must choose the path of money that is rooted in honesty uh that is rooted in pure energy right productive and pure yeah you you cannot it's almost like the fiat system is holding humanity back absolutely it's holding us back in so many ways because you go out you have your gift you have your time you give up your time to earn something that is carrying this energy like very heavy energy of essentially like theft and death yes you know yes and then we bring it into our life and we're like something feels wrong i don't know what's going on like gee i wonder

pocket you have money that is like based on theft and debt yeah theft and destruction yes absolutely this is a beautiful way of putting it yeah i love that i love that and i it resonates with me so much because once people move to the bitcoin standard and some of us are already living our lives on the bitcoin standard even though nation states haven't adopted it fully we can still do it in our own lives and i think that once you see bitcoiners living that way you see how liberated they are yeah and the type of frequency change and the energy that they are carrying um in their lives is so different than before yeah we have to wrap up this was incredible anna you're so courageous and so generous in the way you share yourself i hope this was okay for you right yeah

it was i do wish that uh we you know maybe talked a little bit more about bitcoin because i was like there's more and then like i know so like ah but ultimately we'll do it again yeah we'll definitely do it again and uh i think you should write a book i think i truly do i think i think you bring the world of spirituality and money and uh and childhood and education so well together it will be fascinating to read your book oh my gosh i oh yeah that was always the goal i i always joke is like okay one bitcoin is one million dollars i think i think that would be a wonderful book from you is there anything you want to say just to wrap this up and where should people follow you we said nasty auto but yeah anything you want to say well first of all thank you so

much for having me i it it definitely if you asked me to do this interview a few years ago i probably wouldn't want to share my story i think it's it's quite a an intense right uh there's so many moving parts and it only like once the it's like peeling an onion yes like in this and then this and then the father dies it's like what well what else is there it's like yeah and people sometimes say like russians have like the most dramatic lives and sure i confirm that we do yes um but uh i think you know my my desire my my intention i think for the for this podcast for this interview with you is i hope that whoever hears this story not only does it inspire them in the sense of you know no matter what life throws at you there's opportunities there's always

a way to to find uh to to make sense of it but also to find a way out in a weird way but ultimately and that's why i wish we talked a little bit more about bitcoin because i think once I fully understood once I went down the rabbit hole and it finally clicked it gave me this sense of freedom that I've never felt before I've never I it was like the light at the end of the tunnel it was one of those things where I didn't even know if I wanted to have a family because i didn't want to bring kids into this broken world and suddenly i'm out here like yes let's all get married let's have 10 babies there is a light like we're not you know we're not doomed absolutely i'm with you yeah and and that feeling you know kind of as now that i shared

my story that feeling of lightness and joy that i experienced as 13 year old where suddenly there was awakening you know okay life is worth living yeah bitcoin is that for me as an adult and i think for many people is it gives you this immense huge amazing hope that cannot be compared to anything else because it just makes things like okay we're gonna make it like we everything is not broken. Like this world has a chance. Yeah. Like we have a chance. Yes. And I think that was the most beautiful feeling that the, you know, Bitcoin and this also this community had offered me. Have I not become so obsessed with it and started going to conferences? I would have never met you. Right. Never worked in the space. And, you know, and now I just do social media like a

crazy person i always kind of joke that i should post for a living but it's yeah so that's that's kind of my final thought is you know if if if you're still wondering what is this thing bitcoin if if a if a russian orphan with a crazy life story is able to find hope right in it right then maybe it's worth exploring and learning about i love i love this i love your message it's so beautiful and it's so hopeful and so inspirational i love you dear thank you so much for doing this with me this was fantastic thank you thank you very much thanks for being with us please take a minute to give this episode a like a comment and subscribe or follow and please share it with your friends so they can also get value and choose to take some positive action in their

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