You're The Voice | by Efrat Fenigson - Ep. 17: Mark Moss - A New Marxist World Order?

Episode Date: December 14, 2023

My guest today is Mark Moss, an investor, entrepreneur, content creator, an expert in economics, finance, and a teacher and mentor for navigating the world through the lens of money. Mark is one of my main sources of knowledge and wisdom in the past couple of years and thanks to him I entered the world of Gold and Bitcoin, while understanding the fiat currency system failures. Mark has a sensible, evidence based approach, and he’s also a compassionate, humble soul.  In this episode we discuss the cycles of history, specifically Europe's fourth turning. Mark highlights the impact of the broken money system, the concepts of communism and Marxism, the World Economic Forum’s (WEF) vision and the rise of technocracy. He emphasizes the importance of Bitcoin in obtaining financial freedom and Bitcoin’s role in fixing the broken monetary system. We then discuss control and permission in society, the rise of parallel markets, and the energy crisis in California as an example of excessive regulation. We end with the importance of speaking up and taking action to build the world we want. This episode is the second of 5 special episodes filmed at the Bitcoin Conference in Amsterdam, recorded about 8 weeks ago, and aired in delay due to the War in Israel;  Thanks for your support & understanding. 00:00 - Introduction & Mark’s impact 03:25 - Europe's Fourth Turning 08:40 - Germany's history and cycles 13:35 - Refugees and why money is broken 17:20 - Money and wars 22:30 - Mark’s “The UnCommunist Manifesto” book - about Communism & Marxism 25:15 - World Economic Forum (WEF) vision & Schwab’s books 33:00 - Individualism and the state 37:50 - Technocracy of experts leading to total control (with Digital IDs & CBDCs) 43:55 - The freedom to transact  45:50 - Working outside the system, parallel markets 46:45 - Energy crisis in California 49:10 - Bitcoin as a parallel market that cannot be shut down 52:30 - Message of hope: optimistic on freedom but tough road ahead 53:20 - Speaking up and getting into action ► If you got value, please like, comment, share, subscribe and support my work. Thank you! -- SPONSORS -- ►► Get your TREZOR wallet & accessories, with a 5% discount, using my code at checkout (get my discount code from the latest episode - yep, you’ll have to watch it): ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://affil.trezor.io/SHUn⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  -- LINKS -- Mark’s ⁠Youtube⁠ | ⁠Website⁠ | ⁠The UnCommunist Manifesto⁠ book Efrat's Twitter:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://twitter.com/efenigson⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Efrat's Telegram:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://t.me/efenigson⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Watch/listen on all platforms:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://linktr.ee/yourethevoice⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Support Efrat's work:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.buymeacoffee.com/efenigson⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Support Efrat with Bitcoin:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://geyser.fund/project/efenigson⁠⁠ Filming & Editing: Ohad DeGrate 

so welcome everybody we're once again day two of the bitcoin conference in amsterdam i have the most honor biggest honor to be sitting with mark moss mark is an investor an entrepreneur for the past 25 years, a content creator, an expert in economics, finance, and in my eyes, you should hear that, a teacher and a mentor for navigating the world through the lens of money. You may not know that, but you are one of the main sources of knowledge and wisdom in the past couple of years for me personally. And through you, I entered the world of gold bitcoin and understanding the fiat currency system and its failures been more important using a very sensible evidence-based approach so i thank you for

that because you have been my really i think one of my first mentors ah thank you yeah i was red pilled and starting to understand what's happening around the world and very quickly i got into the Money question. Yeah. So what's going on with money? And then you were the one providing a lot of answers for me. So I'd love to hear that. So really, thank you for that. And here I am sitting. Yeah, no, I love it. I love it. That's your impact. One of the American founding father, Samuel Adams, he said, it doesn't take a majority to prevail, but rather a small irate minority keen on setting brush fires in the minds of men. And so I try to say that often. And I try to think about that so to hear that maybe maybe my brush fire has started you and you're doing this i mean

that's just amazing exactly yeah i'm telling you that for sure like three weeks ago i was speaking in a conference in israel to 350 people yeah that have no clue about what the fiat system is what gold is what bitcoin is and i shared that knowledge that i gained a lot from you and from other sources with those people it's awesome and it's opened their heads to it so your impact yeah is has all these layers of influence yeah a lot more than what you know and what you see so i'm sharing this with you so you understand last night we had a really good conversation and i found mark to be one of the most compassionate humble people that i knew so thank you for like on top of everything else and and that's really a treat so um okay yesterday at the conference you had a conversation

on stage with Peter St. Onge, right, about the fourth turning in Europe. Can you, and I just want to quote here from the book of Neil Howe and William Strauss, they published a book called The Fourth Turning, which describes a four-generation cycle of renewals, stabilization, decline, and crisis in Anglo-American history. Each generational turning takes about 20 years, so a complete cycle takes roughly 80 years. I'd love you to share a bit with us the key insights from your talk yesterday with Peter about that. Yeah, we were talking about Europe's fourth turning, which three Americans up there were talking about Europe's fourth turning. But I think it's relevant because, to your point, it's about a cycle.

And so in the book, it talks about an 80-year cycle. They call it a saculum. It's about typically the average lifespan, if you will. And it's four 20-year cycles. I love cycles. I talk a lot about them. three it's about 80 so i look at like an 84 year cycle three times 84 is 252 so 200 year cycle is an even bigger one and that's the one that we're in right now but back to the fourth turning

we're in the bigger one of the two we're in the we're in the third 84 year cycle so it's a 250 year cycle right now um but in that the reason why it makes sense is that people think that history moves linear but it does and it moves exponential because we're building new technologies on top of the old ones and so things are changing very rapidly but as much as things are moving exponentially changing exponentially they also stay the same because we're humans and so uh human nature moves cyclical and so it's it's almost like we're repeating as we're moving up exponential at the same time and so you could think of it different types of energy energies like one is escalating the other one is like right spiraling through it right but as as much as they change

they stay the same sort of thing and the reason why is because we're humans and human nature and so what happens is we typically take things too far we're like oh shoot too far so let's go back and then we correct too far and then we correct too far and it's sort of like a a bowling ball just kind of correcting itself yeah a pendulum exactly right um now um specifically in the fourth turning it's um it's what's called generational theory so that each generation is different than generation before them and we've heard this many times um like uh those who have been in war hate war but the sons don't know anything about it they dream of war kind of a thing right um and so in this the fourth turning and it's been sort of uh turned into meme culture which is the

hard times create strong men strong men create great times great times create weak men weak men create bad times and bad times great strong men and so it's like this cycle um an anecdotal story is that my uh we're here in amsterdam in the netherlands uh my father's side of the family came from the netherlands immigrated to the united states and my grandfather was a farmer in middle america early 1900s very very hard work to be living on a farm at that time anytime but especially at that time uh so hardest worker ever my father was the oldest of five children and uh he had to work on the farm and they would my grandfather would like loan him out to other farms help bring in the crops so crazy hard worker but he left the farm my father did right he left

the farm and he went into construction and he's the hardest worker i've ever known he wasn't as hard as my grandfather because he left the farm he's the hardest worker i've ever known and he made me go work construction with him when i was a kid which has given me a crazy work ethic but i swore to myself i would never do a job i had to get dirty at so i hated that and so i've left and now my kids like they don't even know what work is that's four generations uh now back to sort of this talk we talked about europe's fourth turning i think you can look at the united states and europe sort of kind of and and and the developed world if you will the west has sort of synced up and it's because of what happened at world war ii which was about 80 years ago

exactly 78 years whatever you want to look at it from the bretton woods agreement 1944 when the monetary order changed it's been about 78 years about 80 years and so the world sort of synced up so i believe the western world is in this period right now where we've seen these four cycles In the book, The Fourth Turning, it highlights that the last turning is where all the change happens. So Vladimir Lenin is famously quoted saying that there's decades where nothing seems to happen and there's days where decades seem to happen. And so that's sort of where we're at. It's why this whole world is changing so fast. So that sort of frames it up where it is.

One more sort of example, I think, is just Europe overall, but really Germany. So Germany got hit probably the hardest after World War II because of the reparations they had to pay and the hyperinflation they experienced in Weimar Republic, etc. And those people went through an extremely hard time. They were literally burning cash in their fireplace because the cash was worth less than the wood was. Extremely hard. So they had to rebuild their entire country, and they had to come out of debt, and it was very difficult. The hard times created very strong men. And those strong men created really good times.

And Germany became the economic engine of Europe. They led Europe in manufacturing, precision manufacturing, things like that. and even still to this day are sort of this economic driver of the entire European continent. That was 80 years ago. However, today, the weak men have created really bad times, and so they've decided to shut all their energy off. Let's just turn all our nuclear reactors off, and let's forget natural gas. We won't get it out of the ground.

We'll just get it directly off of other strongmen in Russia. Donald Trump warned them of what would happen, and here we are. And now Germany is in a situation where they're now de-industrializing. Their manufacturing base is moving away and they don't even know what to do. They're still trying to shut their energy down. They put nuclear reactors back on temporarily to get them through and then they decide to shut them off again. Now they're burning trees and wood and coal again. And so I think that's just a good example of 80 years, these different cycles. And sort of just the last thing I'll say is this generational cycle is that you get to a point, the weak men, they are so disconnected from how the world works and how value is made. They're eating from food that they never planted or grew, right? And so they don't even know how the world works. Like, oh, let's just shut down our energy.

What do we need that for? We have a supermarket. we have a supermarket with commercial food waiting for us exactly from we don't know where and we don't we don't know where and even in the united states and like i said it's really the west um we're we're all living off of the abundance that was created 80 years ago all of that hard work the sacrifice the blood that was shed for freedom and and freedom to be able to build this system all the hard work that went into building the manufacturing base all the hard work that went into building the capital base, the balance sheets that allow us to live in high debt today.

And so we're living off the benefits, but with no relation to that. And now we're paying the price for it. And if I take you back to one of the things you said about Germany, we're hearing from people on the ground in Germany that they are starting to look for other places to leave. They're starting to leave the country. Yeah, leaving. And a lot of people in Europe are experiencing the same thing it looks like and i know you've done an episode about the whole refugees uh um topic around the world and europe is suffering also from a lot of refugees so maybe we want to touch on that because germany is an interesting case it's doing what it's doing to its people a lot of it has been driven apart from the energy war the global energy war that's

happening from also the green agenda and how they want to introduce new sources of uh of energy to the country because some global powers told them that that's the right thing to do yeah i think it goes back to kissinger we talked about him last night and you know henry kissinger said that you know control the food control the people control the energy control the continent control the money control the world yes so those are three attack vectors and we can just look it doesn't take a lot of examination to see it. Those are the attack vectors. So control the food, control the people. So here we are in the Netherlands right now, which is the number two food exporter in the world. Per the UN, there's 868 million people facing starvation in the next 24 months. That's about

one out of every eight people in the world. So we should try to get more food to them, I would think, if you care about that. And here we are trying to shut down the number two food exporter. And this isn't just in the Netherlands. This is happening all over. As a matter of fact, in the United States, John Kerry, the climate czar, is running around now saying we need to shut down the farm, shut down agriculture. It's the greatest threat to humanity, et cetera. Well, no, the greatest threat to humanity would be starving. That would be the greatest threat.

But so in New Zealand, they're, you know, killing thousands of cows. So they're doing it everywhere. So the food. And not just that, you know, the WEF has been running campaigns for years saying that we're going to eat less meat. They even have some of the guys, I forget the guy's name specifically, talks about ways that maybe we could introduce like a food allergy that would make people allergic to red meat. No, I've seen that. It's crazy. And so they're attacking food.

They want to take away natural food and give us fake food. So that's food. Obviously, the energy. So now we're back to the energy piece, controlling the energy piece. Part of this is that what a lot of it comes down to is that they want to take away all natural stuff and give us all man-made stuff. So it's no longer your natural immunity is any good. Now we need to give you medicine because your natural immunity is not good. No longer is natural food any good, like natural meat.

Let's give you fake meat, beyond meat. No longer is your natural energy good, natural gas, for example, or oil that comes out of the ground naturally. Never mind that. No, let's give you fake solar energy or windmill energy, et cetera. And so it's like getting rid of everything that's cheap and abundant and putting us onto things that are scarce and that they can manufacture and make money from. And the refugees part? Yeah, so back to the refugees part, you know, these are complex subjects and you very nicely, you said I was sort of humble. It's like the more that you learn, the more you start to realize, man, there's a lot of moving parts here.

There's a lot of pieces to the refugee piece. at the end of the day, we're at a Bitcoin conference. At the end of the day, it's all because the money is broken. That's what it's all about. Because the game of money is rigged, it allows people to use that rigged game to benefit themselves. And then they start to play games with the world, such as let's move people around the continent so we can make more money. So it's all about this ability to make themselves more money because money is broken in the first place. But it's also because they've created those bad conditions. So for example, we're talking about the UN saying almost a billion people could starve to death. Well, those billion people don't

want to starve to death, it turns out. So they're going to migrate somewhere else. So I think there's two things going on. One, most of these countries throughout Africa, South America, Middle East, they're completely war-torn, and now they're starving to death. Through the Arab Spring, 2011, 2012, it really seemed to come down to when people couldn't eat. People can take a lot of abuse but when you can't feed your family they say it's a nine meals to anarchy nine meals to anarchy if i don't eat for three days it were like all bets are off sort of a thing and so um a lot of what's happened is that these war-torn countries are starving to death and whatever so they're moving to try to find a better life as they should now we'd ask ourselves why

have those countries become so war-torn and back to the money being broken then i think there's also a sinister agenda on top of that, which again, back to the money being broken, there's a group of people like George Soros, we'll call him out by name. And I call him out by name specifically because he's made his wealth by breaking countries. Specifically, that's what he does. He famously broke the Bank of England and he's gone on to tear down many other nations. And when he does- Taking over layers of- Well, he likes to destroy them so then he can profit on their demise as well as profit rebuilding them, but it sends all those people other places. And so, um, there's certainly

agendas that want to move people around. Um, I read the opening borders. Well, the name of his, his nonprofit is open societies. So it says it in its name. It's not a, not a conspiracy to say that, but that's ultimately what he wants. Um, you know, there's conflicting ideas. I should say like sort of emotions and thoughts within me. Um, you know, I believe we're all humans. We're all equal um and so everyone should be free to pursue a better life um so you know i certainly feel for those people but we need to fix the problem and the underlying problem is that money is broken um and i think it it like i said it affects the the that those people might have the better life where they're at um and it takes away the incentives of some of these potential puppet

masters if you will pulling these strings to also cause us i know that a lot of the people that will listen to this would understand probably 80 90 percent what you're saying and they'll try to go and maybe research more about refugees now because you've sparked some interest what they may not do and this is why i'm saying what i'm saying because i want them to go in that direction is to go research money why money is broken we don't have time to go through the whole conversation now but i encourage people to go i can say very quickly so just to send somebody down that rabbit hole money is broken because people and it's not a conspiracy rabbit hole this is reality no this is how we live uh in in america henry ford the father of like the modern automobile and really

mass manufacturing henry ford he said if the american people knew how the banking system worked there'd be a revolution before the morning exactly so not like tomorrow no no like before they even wake up it would happen and so that was 100 years ago it's obviously gotten worse the money system that we have today is something uh it's created this what's called the cantillon effect and the cancel on effect means that whoever's closest to the money supply has the benefit and so the bankers print themselves money and then they use it to buy assets the asset prices go higher by the time you get the money the prices have gotten higher the problem is that every time they print themselves more money the existing money is worth less and so

people see asset prices going up but they don't realize it's actually the value of the money going down and the reason why it's broken is that these people have the ability to print themselves this this money. And because of that, there's no consequence or feedback. And so typically previous to World War I, wars didn't happen as often and they were very short. So if I wanted to go attack you, there was going to be a true cost. And I had to really weigh my odds here because if I lose, I lose everything. I'll lose my whole kingdom. And even if I do go attack you, it can only happen for a short period of time because we run out of money. But the fiat money system has allowed these endless wars to go on because I just keep printing my money. And that's

a big example but it happens on the business level the corporate level the political level and you wonder why these politicians never learn why do they keep making the same bad mistakes like can't they see it worked out bad why would they do that it's because there's no feedback there's no there's no skin in the game right in there and it's because the money is broken and balances because they're able to print themselves the money so all throughout history power has been able to get you wealth but now wealth is used to create power and it was never done like that sure strong men could go steal wealth sure yes they couldn't actually create wealth yes and now they can and that's why when and and we're not going to go into it but i'll just add this point that's

why i say to people that maybe just maybe what's happening now in the middle east in israel gaza and maybe other countries that will join this uh war party is happening because of the money is happening because war is a money printing machine it's a money creation mechanism for those who play the game from very up high and we saw what happened to the stocks of the military industrial complex in the u.s the moment israel gaza started fighting right lockheed martin and all the other ones yeah all green going up well they gave money to palestine yes and now they're giving money to israel yes they're giving money to both sides and this is the history of the banking system and if you go back to world war one it was jp morgan yes that was funding both sides of the war right he

was the one profiting from this this is this is this is fact this is history and so and and i think it's an important piece of history because if you look like jp morgan was giving money to france and england to fight germany in world war one he was selling their war bonds he was raising money for them and then not only would he give them the money once they got the money they had to buy things with the money yes so then they would give the money back to him and he would procure all the stuff and then ship it back to them so he was double dipping he would give him the money and then they give the money back to him he'd buy the stuff so not only did he like again profit on both sides uh and then if you look at world going into world war one france and uh

france and england were losing that war but the problem is is that jp morgan had loaned them all this money and if they lose the war how does he get paid back they have to win it so they had to win it. So he had to get the United States in on the war. But how does he get the United States in the war? They don't want to get in the war. So he bought all the media companies in the United States, started to change the narrative in the US. Then he lobbied the politics and he made the ships that were going back and forth, taking all the stuff, the supplies over there. He changed the military where they had to take all their signs off, all their flags off. And at the time, the German U-boats, the submarines were going around the ocean. And then they changed the

policy where boats had to start ramming. They had to attack U-boats or submarines on site. And because the ships didn't have insignias on them, they didn't know which ones were merchant ships, which ones were warships. And the Germans sunk a merchant ship and a bunch of Americans died. That's a good enough reason to go into war. And that pulled the Americans into the war and then Germany lost. And the reason why that's important to understand is because J.P. Morgan has now committed over 60 billion dollars to ukraine and if ukraine loses how do they get paid back so that's one of my hypothesis that the ukraine russia engine is slowing down almost finishing and we need another war to continue powering that and we talked about iran last night

and you asked me about the game with iran i think they're just trying to pull iran into another big war because they need another war they need to keep pumping that money machine yeah it's a possible it's a possibility well it's not just a possibility i think uh the president before jfk or john kennedy who got assassinated our last president got assassinated the president before him was eisenhower yes and when he left typically when people step down or on their deathbed they kind of have this moment of like truth or whatever honesty that comes out and on his address to the american people on national television he said the greatest threat we face is this military industrial complex he warned us and um jfk came in and talked about the intelligence community

said he all tried to do something i'll splinter them to a thousand pieces of what he said and then of course they assassinate so we've known about this for a long time this is not a this is not a conspiracy and and it and it only takes a tiny bit of rational thought businesses are in business to make a profit the goal of the business is to grow my profits and so if i make military equipment then uh turns out i need to use this i i need military equipment to have demand i need i need a type of conflict and and so it's not a conspiracy that's just how the world works unfortunately yeah okay good good good i'm happy we said this talk to me a bit about your book co-authored with alex vetsky yeah the uncommunist manifesto yeah a message of hope responsibility

and liberty for all that's the subtitle on amazon people can get it tell me about the book a bit you know um i grew up at a time in america where we still learned about communism uh it that we still had the cold war with russia and so at that time when i grew up we learned that communism was bad we learned why communism that we learned the horrors of that we i remember as a kid thinking how bad that was how they put up a wall in berlin and there was an east and west and oh my gosh what if i was on the wrong side of the wall and i got trapped and i remember that growing up um we don't teach that anymore today right and now we teach marxism as a matter of fact i would i would bet most university professors are marxist they just don't know it they don't know they don't

know it they're not they're not it's not called that way it's not called it that right and so anyway you know i sort of grew up under this world knowing that and i've spent a lot of my time researching communism and Marxism and a lot even in Karl Marx. I'm sort of regretfully admitting that I actually never read the Communist Manifesto. So I read a lot about communism and Marxism, but never actually read the book. In 2020, when we had the rise of BLM, the leaders of BLM came out and said that we are trained Marxists. That's what they said, openly admitting this. So for me, what I like to always do and what I recommend everybody listening, Don't just take our word for it.

Go fact check this. When I do my videos on my channel, I try to bring as many receipts as I can. But I believe that we should go to the source and hear directly from the source, not what somebody said about the source. Let's go directly. So I read Klaus Schwab's books. I want to hear from his source. The Great Reset. The Great Reset and The Fourth Industrial Revolution.

So anyway, I went back and I read after the BLM said they were trained Marxists. I'm like, well, what is Marx? Let's go back and read it. So I read the book. this is 2020 and i read it i'm like oh my gosh like does anybody actually know what this book says because how could anyone be okay with it i i just thought right off the bat like if women read this book they wouldn't be for marxism like women are communal property okay they like they know that right like um uh to summarize communism one statement is abolition of private property

okay like people in america want that so anyway um i read the book and i was just like shocked like, wow. And I thought, man, if we could shine some light on this, maybe it would like wake some people up. And I was actually down in El Salvador on a trip down there where they're setting up the Bitcoin Beach down there. And I was with Alex Fetske and I said, hey, have you ever read it? And he said, no, I never did either. And I said, we should write a rebuttal to this. And so we did. We didn't actually write a rebuttal. We didn't like go tit for tat. We just wrote a better version of it. Almost like if you looked at the book in a mirror. Yes. And to kind of what you said right it's like it's it's a message of hope and and really we're we're hoping we're trying to

encourage people to be better versions of themselves and see the world a little bit differently yeah um i thought it was written at a at a very unique moment in time because of what happened with the pandemic and this sort of rise of authoritarianism um the we promoted the book pretty hard uh i think we sold about 30 000 copies it kind of stalled out as we were talking about last night probably need to kind of get that going because it's so important it's sort of like the zeitgeist of this time yes and um one of the things that we highlighted for example is in the communist manifesto karl marx writes writes 10 points of communism in order to have a communist nation there's 10 things that must happen and a lot of people look at them at america and say

capitalism has failed yeah well capitalism has failed per the 10 points of communism the united states has seven of those ten so is america capitalist or communist well quantitatively we have a 10 points quantitatively it's actually more communist like for example here we are talking about the money being broken point number five is all means of money and credit in the hands of the government central banks so the central bank is communist in its essence in its essence all all all education free education for all right that's public public education uh so many a heavy progressive tax system so these are all communist ideas people must read the book i have to read the book because you're creating so much content and i'm

your student i keep watching you instead of reading the book but i have to read the book yeah and i'm on your newsletter as well which is an amazing source one thing we did that i that i think was really good is um i'll just break this one idea down so um people think like capitalism has failed but we don't have capitalism they say well it's it's crony capitalism well crony capitalism or corporatism is fascism that's not capitalism and so in in the original communist manifesto he broke down all these different versions of communism yes so what we did is we broke down all these different versions of what people call capitalism and we kind of dissected each one. I thought that was pretty good. And then one core concept that we have is that we made that

Karl Marx framed up that there's a struggle between rich and poor. That's what he framed up. Today, we have neo-Marxism or cultural Marxism, and there's a struggle between everybody. What we framed up is the real struggle, the real axis of struggle is actually between the individual and the collectivist. It's between me and you as people and the government that wants to co-opt that yes that's the real struggle and we sort of framed it up that capitalism and we redefine this word capitalism is natural and emergent so what it is is it's it's private property and as humans have creativity ingenuity we try to become more efficient with the scarce resources that we have so it's emergent so for example i have kids and when the kids were in

preschool they're trading chips for crackers yes like we just that's just what we do naturally we just naturally trade. That's capitalism. I started a fire. You killed an animal. Hey, cook your animal on my fire. And so it's private property. You have your private property. And we collectively work together to progress. So it's not a political modality. It's not a version of politics. So what we argued, and we drew a diagram, is that all politics is over here. And in politics, there's a left and a right, however you define that. Fascism is right somehow and socialism is left, they're both centrally planned, you know, collectivist ideas. We argue that capitalism is way over here. Yes. It's not in this. And so if you think about it

in that lens, it's a different dimension. And so really capitalism is natural and emergent and all of politics, whether it's left or right, is more like a parasite. And the parasite attaches itself to this capitalist society to extract wealth. Yes. And the goal of a parasite is not to kill the host no if you look at off of it it's to live off the host but if you look at like um the bullshit revolution in russia um hitler mal's greatly forward china they killed the host yes it went too far yes now mal is greatly forward was killing the host in china and in the 80s they let they lightened up and they brought in more capitalism and now they've almost found like this balance of the maximum amount of wealth extraction without completely killing it

and this to me is the the manifestation of that to me is the modern world in the western world where we are taught to believe that we need to work in order to pay the taxes in order to pay the mortgage in order to live in this difficult life but does it have to be that way yeah do we exert our powers and our energies for the sake of someone else to get rich or do we really sustain ourselves yeah and i think we we also feel that with covet in the past three years i think a lot of where i i meet your your um your ideas is in the sovereignty as well it's the emerging power of capitalism i totally get that i think it also goes back to the natural power of sovereignty that people want to develop an independence and a sense of trust in themselves and what they can

produce, what they can create in the world and how they can sustain their loved ones and the people around them. That is also natural and it's creation. And so COVID came to disrupt that in a way and to tell us, no, no, no, you're not safe on your own. You don't trust yourself, trust someone else we know better um and also give us your powers and allow us to set the rules and the mandates for you we will that's also that's also marxism that of course and that's like taking it another step right forward and accelerating that that marxism i'd say yeah to to it and and then people get confused and think that that's for the better of society that's the hoax about it like they they manipulate people to think that this is you're doing something good if if you're going

along that path rather than taking care of yourself and thinking for yourself and you know and yeah creating stuff the problem is i say yeah i think i was i don't know i think it came from like a spider-man movie but like with great freedom comes great responsibility yeah and so these aren't like linear black and white issues and so there's a lot of nuance in there and unfortunately most people don't aren't able to think with nuance and so i want to be individual And I want to be thinking for myself, but morally, I also want to think about other people. And so like we, as humans, we work in our own self-interest as all animals do as well.

We don't want to die. So as animals, as humans, we're motivated by surviving and procreating. Yes. That's, that's, that's what we do. Animals are the same way. Um, but where my interests align with your interests, we work together. I have a fire. You have an animal.

Hey, let's work together in this. Hey, there's an enemy attacking both of us. Let's get together. but it all starts with the individual um and uh a great book everyone should read it's murray rothbard's book anatomy of the state it's like a booklet and it helped motivate us to keep our booklet very short so uh uncommon uncommon manifesto is about 10 000 words it's like an hour hour and a half read anatomy of the state is also but it breaks down sort of what the state is and there is no state the state is an idea is an idea and it's made up of individuals yes right

and you know you mentioned kind of going back to um us being independent and us wanting to do these things well we that's what the world needs because the world needs people to do things the world needs people to invent things to solve problems to create value for each other and if we're all turned into sort of this like dependent class then who's going to advance the world forward right so i think they can both be true um we should all be individuals looking out for our own self-interest working together collectively when our interests align but that doesn't mean that you can't be compassionate and still help other people so those aren't mutually exclusive but the state wants both you can hold both but the state wants to legislate this morality they want to legislate that i'll

steal your wealth to help some poor people out yes and and then what happens is if you're a parent or if you've experienced this in your own life you'll realize that the greatest joy you can get in life is by helping other people. It's not the pursuit of your own happiness. That's empty happiness, right? When you help other people genuinely, it's the greatest joy you can get. Um, and also if you've ever been the recipient of, of maybe some needed help that you needed, like you felt gratitude. So what happens is if I give to somebody, I feel amazing. You've received it. You feel grateful. But when the state gets involved, they shortcut, they short circuit that whole thing because now they've stolen from me. So now I'm angry and now they've given to you.

now you're entitled yes and so the whole breaks the paradigm the whole paradigm yeah paradigm okay good um do you think the wef and other globalist powers are trying to pull societies into marxism these days well certainly i mean they're certainly doing that right uh the wef has stated goals and it's basically i i don't i want to say marxism rebranded but it's almost not even rebranded. So, uh, Klaus Schwab pounds the table on what he calls a public private partnership. What does that mean? Public governments and private businesses working together, which is corporatism or fascism or whatever you want to call it. Fascism used to be a bad word, right? So like, that's what he's literally calling for. He calls it stakeholder

capitalism, if you will. So in stakeholder capitalism is no longer capital. So again, And we define capitalism in the book as private property and then using that private property for efficiency and cooperation. But he calls it stakeholder capitalism, which means that you don't have your private property. Now, everybody who has a stake in what you may or may not do actually has the power and control. And so who are the stakeholders? Well, this is governments and this is other businesses and big things. They're stakeholders. And so what they've done is now they've, using ESG scores and DEI scores, they've put a quantitative metric of how they can now regulate you.

And so that's just Marxism, right? It's centralizing the means of production in the hands of the state or the state body. And what they've gone on to do is so they say that you'll own nothing and be happy. Well, Karl Marx wrote in the Communist Manifesto, to summarize communism in one statement is the abolition of private property. it's a direct quote so uh communism you'll have no property the wef says you'll own nothing be happy i mean it's the exact same thing just rebranded and and like i said not even really rebranded it's just the same thing yeah just without calling it marxism in the end the infuriating thing is that i guess you know i think it was mark twain said that those that don't know

history are bound to repeat it and we don't have to look into ancient history like as i mean in our lifetime in china in the 40s and 50s we saw potentially 50 million people die at the hands of communism just in this last century over a hundred million people have died because of this so if you if you would just take the time to think about this and discuss it openly you would understand it wouldn't work and you could understand why it wouldn't work but we also have at least three well not even really we have even more than that but you know between russia uh hit you know, Germany and China, 100 million people have died. But even right now, today, look at North and South Korea. Just look at those two. It's the same continent, the same people, the same

ideology, everything. You just put a line down the middle and there's two different political ideologies and one flourishes, one doesn't. In Germany, again, I referenced earlier, they put Berlin Wall. I mean, these are the two best AB examples that you could ever have because you literally took the same people and, you know, and just put a line in the middle. And so we have all these examples like it doesn't take deep thought it just takes a little bit of retrospect and humility to admit and humility to admit so so certainly the weft is trying to do that um and where do you think they're taking us like what's their vision that technocratic new world order that they're trying to create yeah so technocratic right so so technocracy

where we must rely on on experts yes right uh klaus schwab is very open about uh the fact that he thinks that we should no longer be voting people don't know what they want um which is partly true uh and and i and you have to listen to this with some nuance but unfortunately most people probably shouldn't vote because they don't know they haven't even taken the time to understand issues everyone should have the right to vote but if you don't know what you're doing you probably should just abstain that's sort of my opinion on it now i want everyone to get educated i'm not saying we should take away klaus says we should take away the right i'm not saying we should take of the right but he is right that most people don't know so he wants he's openly admitting that

he wants the world to be run by this technocracy these technocrats um which is marxist so for example um hitler wrote this book uh mein kampf and in the book he talks about how he couldn't get uh the germans to kind of rally behind him moving forward um until he went and learned the language of the marxist and when he came up with language of the marxist he was able to get them and move them forward okay so then what's the language of the marxist well they use this thing called the dialectic so this dialectic is the way that they talk about things and it's specifically used to push their agenda specifically to push us into this technocracy so of experts so for example um james lindsey uses uh dr james lindsey he's the expert in this uh so if you're interested

go listen to him uh but like they would say that like a red and a green apple are basically the same thing because they're both apples okay well they are both apples but they are different well then they would say well then oranges and apples are basically the same thing because they're both fruit fruit men and women are basically the same thing because we're both humans yes that that is true but the but the but the nuance the difference means everything yeah and what happens is they do that to blur the lines of things uh i got into sort of almost a little heated debate last week with someone uh talking about i think that we should protect babies and he says well then how can you be okay with the death penalty because they're both humans

i'm like oh that's not the same thing you're talking about a little baby right here that's that needs to be protected versus someone who's brutally raped and like but that i and i told him i said look you're using the language of the marxist you just don't know this yes but they've done this to blur all these lines so we don't know anymore and specifically um in the united states we were there was a black lady kenanja brown or whatever they were um put it before a committee to bring her into and and they said that do you know what the definition of a woman is and she's like no i'm not a biologist and and what she's saying is i don't know i need to consult an expert yes a technocracy yes and so that's what this is achieving it's sad we don't even know

the difference of an orange and an apple anymore and in the money front they're taking us to a cbdc central bank digital currency world and then there's a cbdc thing and so and so part of the technocracy is that uh and the cbdc and really the end game if you will is total control it always has been marxism is always centralizing the means of power and production in the hands of the government and so what they want to do is they want everything to have permission and so it doesn't take a lot of thinking but most people don't have this that if i must have permission then that permission could also be taken away now right now the permission is only to keep bad guys out but what if i'm on the wrong side all of a sudden and so how do you know which side that

you're on and so uh in the un they have these 17 sustainable development goals sdgs uh 16 as part of agenda 2030 if you don't know it go to this is on the un website again don't just go look it up go on the un website and look at the sustainable development goals uh number 16 specifically is digital ids and so they say that it's uh in the un language they've been very clear to start using the word human right and not inalienable right you see uh inalienable rights is written in in our founding documents in the united states is that we have rights that were given to us by our creator human rights are ones that have been given to us by humans it's more than natural law versus right so they say that so they use the word human rights and they say that um ids are

a human right and so every baby everyone needs to have an id which sounds great i mean i guess like why not? Well, but then if I don't have the ID, then I am not allowed to participate in society. Now, going back to the WEF for a minute, famously, I'm sure everybody listening has probably heard, you know, you'll own nothing, be happy. I referenced it earlier. Where did that come from? It came from an article that this Ida Alkin had written. She used to be with, I think, Belgium, and now she's with the WEF, I think it was. And in the story, she said, the year's 2030. I have no privacy. I own

nothing and life has never been better. She painted this picture. She painted this story of I have no privacy. So even my thoughts and my dreams are being read and this is in Klaus Schwab's book The Fourth Industrial Revolution where basically all our thoughts go into this giant AI cloud.

I wrote an article about it about mind control. Yeah. So chips and whatever. So the part that I want to talk about though specifically is she says I feel bad for those people living outside the wall. They don't have all of this that we have today. So what she's talking about is this secondary class of people who haven't taken the digital ID and don't use the CBDCs

and they're not allowed to participate in society. That's what she's talking about. And so that's the vision that they have for us. It's written in the goals and that's what it means. which leads me naturally to talk about bitcoin and freedom yeah so um well we're at the big so i want and this ties in nicely also with you know a lot of my audience is quite an awake audience to what's happening around the world these days and and they want to know how to prepare for what's coming so please give them yeah your thoughts so i think we talked about

of the money being broken. I think of it like this giant tree and maybe this giant oak tree with like a thousand leaves. And every leave is like a problem in society. The obesity rate, the incarceration rate, the homelessness rate, and every single leave is a problem. And then all of that is on a tree. And at the base, the root of that is the money print. So we talk about fix the money, fix the world, so to speak, right? And so we want to fix that. But also I think the other the way i look at it is that really every freedom in life really comes down to the freedom to transact so freedom of speech well we're transacting value we're transacting speech so it really comes down to the freedom to transact and so if they can stop that which is why control

the money control the world yes if they can stop me from transacting they can take away all my freedom in the united states we have a constitution that guarantees freedom like freedom of assembly yes number one yes however if i can't pay to put gas in my truck how do i go to the assembly yeah If I can't buy food when I get there, how do I go there? If I can't get a hotel room, right? So everything basically hinges on that, and so they want to control that. Now, they do a pretty good job. Essential bank digital currency will be the next step

because certainly now the government can freeze your bank account. They froze Russia's bank accounts. Certainly they can do that, but it takes a lot of work. With CBDCs, they can program it in in advance. So I think it's just a lot more control. Now, what do we do about it? How do we protect ourselves? Well, the map is already laid out for us.

We don't have to reinvent the wheel here. I like to look at the fall of the USSR. So when you look through the rise of the USSR and the fall of it, you'll see that life became so oppressive, became so authoritarian. They didn't have the technology we have today, but it became so oppressive that people really couldn't live. I mean, 25 million people starved to death. And so they had to go start working outside of the system. I can't speak for every other country. I would imagine most of Europe is worse than the United States, but you can't do anything

without a permit anymore. Yes. I can't even have a party at the park for my kid without getting a permit. You can't put a tent up on the beach in Israel without a permit. Yeah. So everything requires a permit. And if I don't have a permit, technically I'm in the black market. Yes. Okay. So what happened is it became so burdensome and so heavy and so regulated, everything had to have permission that people had to start working outside the system. Hey, you put price controls on bread. So I can't make bread. So we'll sell bread on the black market. Now here's a real story. Um, in California, this is how insane California has gotten. They're banning natural gas in the state. So, uh, in the United States, natural gas is so abundant and so cheap that in

most of the U S we don't even capture it. It just leaks in, in Europe. It's desperately needed, but we have so much, it's so cheap. We don't even bother to capture it. Okay. It's our most abundant cheap source of fuel in california our energy our electricity prices are more than double the rest of the country so in some parts of the country like texas it's eight cents per kilowatt eight cents per hour and in california it's up to 60 60 cents okay every summer our electricity grid goes down we're having to shut power down we don't have enough electricity they shut down our nuclear reactors they shut down the natural gas and now what they're doing is now they're banning natural gas from even being used in homes and they're making everyone use electricity which

we don't even have enough of oh my god okay so we have gas in our homes still because they don't make you take it out you just can't add new homes with it no no new homes can add it so we want we have a fireplace that burns wood yes i wanted to have my fireplace burn natural gas so we drilled a hole we ran the gas in there and in so we go online to buy gas logs for the fireplace no one we'll ship them to california no way my wife had to go on to craigslist which is like a peer-to-peer thing she had to drive 30 minutes away and meet someone in a back alley and do a cash deal to get gas logs like taking people exactly ussr and so that's back that's that's that's black market so we literally had to move to the black market in order to get something that we needed okay so

this is the point so in the ussr just like that people had to move to this black market to get bread to get whatever. And what happens is, if we're having a party, and we start kicking people out, eventually, all those people go start their own party, and we have no more control over them. So when people exit the system, when people exit the monetary system, the political system, the market system, there's the state has no more control over them. So during the USSR, all these people started leaving to create parallel markets. Okay. And when that happened, the state lost all the power they couldn't manipulate them they couldn't control them and they eventually crumbled and fell and two things happened one it crumbled and fell but two

when that happened the cushion it cushioned the blow because there was already all these parallel markets that were set up and so the answer for us is that i think you know as of now and i think what we should do before it becomes violent is peacefully just exit the exit system and bitcoin and we can do that so we can we can exit the system with bitcoin right now We don't have to participate in that system. And so they want to continue to print more money and inflate our money away. Well, we don't have to use that money. We don't have to use it.

We don't have to operate in that system. Apart from maybe taxing and whatever, which we still have to participate in. Sure. If we're, you know. Well, maybe. Citizens in a state. Yeah. Maybe.

But sure. So sell some Bitcoin and pay or whatever. But the point is, is that what I think we should all be doing is trying to set up more parallel systems. Exactly. So, hey, you're not happy with Bud Light using a transvestite as their spokesperson? Great. Then start a beer company that's the opposite of that. A great example, Ben Shapiro's company, Daily Wire.

Jeremy Bowen is one of the founders of that. They were sponsored by this Harry's Razor, and Harry's Razors got mad at Ben Shapiro because he said men couldn't get pregnant. So he said, we're going to pull your sponsorship. He said, you know what? Actually, we're going to cancel your sponsorship, and instead of Harry's Razors, we're going to create Jeremy's Razors. and if you go to the website it's called jeremy's razors and it says uh stop giving your money to

woke corporations i hate you and so but what we need more of that that allows us to vote with our feet uh and so i think i'm a capitalist so i think through competition through free markets the ultimate vote is with our money and maybe our feet um and so i think entrepreneurs should stand up create these parallel markets and bitcoin back to the freedom to transact underpins all of that So they're going to try to shut that down, but we have Bitcoin, and I think that's really our most peaceful way to change the world right now. And for people listening in my audience that don't know Bitcoin well enough and should know it by now, it cannot be shut down. I mean, they can try and manipulate it in some ways, but it cannot be shut down. They could try to manipulate the U.S. dollar value or whatever dollar value of it is.

Yes, which will try to sustain people from coming into it, but they can't shut it down. they'll have to shut the whole internet forever and that will shut down life i guess yeah which is like a zero percent chance of happening exactly um so it's it's it's theoretically impossible to shut down and for people that don't know the reason why it moves peer-to-peer so it's like cash but it can be done over the internet yes yeah good um okay if anyone's not following mark on youtube do it 500k followers by now twitter um sign up to his most wonderful newsletter almost every day i can't keep up with them one one big piece a week one big piece a week and then i send out little ones yeah for like videos please i don't but there's so much happening

around the world you just have so much content to talk about yeah the pace of things right now is so exaggerated probably about 50 of it's kind of more macro economic focused about 50 percent of it and the other half is more sort of freedom geopolitical stuff where can people sign up to the newsletter yeah just go to one mark moss.com exactly and everything's linked there so all my social media is linked there all my youtube channels are linked there etc one mark moss.com it's the number one number one yep um what's your final message um a message to drive people to action, but give them some hope. Yeah. You know, what I like to say, what I like to end it with is, one, I'm bullish on humanity. I'm bullish on human ingenuity. When I say bullish,

I'm optimistic, right? I'm optimistic on what happens when a million entrepreneurs are back against the wall. I'm optimistic on human freedom. Yes. But we have a tough road ahead of us because we have a very powerful group of people who want to take that freedom away from us and want to control us and want to enslave us. And unfortunately, they have almost enough technology to do that in a way that could potentially break the cycle of this sort of freedom revolution cycle

that we've seen throughout history. I think we win, but it's not guaranteed. And so I just like to tell everybody, we have to do the work back to sort of what we started out with starting brush fires in the minds of men don't just listen and watch this and and and read this or whatever however you're getting it go discuss it yes go talk about it with your friends your families your co-workers we have to continue to spread this information two we need to do something about it so i think back to my father was in vietnam my grandfather

was in world war ii um the founding fathers of the united states um they gave their life for freedom and luckily for us we're not asked to do that right now um but you know think about world war ii there's the famous you know the storming the beaches of normandy and the soldiers 18 year old kids were literally running storming the beaches as their friends were getting blown up around them but they continued moving forward and today we're just required to speak up yeah that's all we don't have to die but like don't be afraid to speak up my friends do unfortunately some of your friends had to die. And yeah, uh, I, I, I don't want to be insensitive to that. You're right. I'm just saying it's a reality. It's a reality. But, um, I think we all need to be

willing to make a sacrifice and some of us might have to give the final sacrifice, which is unfortunate. Uh, but we all need to sacrifice our time, our effort, our energy, and probably even our money. Yeah. Even our money. So maybe I need to start that business or support that business, even though it's more expensive or whatever, I'm going to do it anyway because I'm willing to give money. I'm willing to give my time, effort, energy. So I say build the world that we want. Stop being a victim. If you want the world to be different, then you should go do something about it. We talked about politics last night. I don't want to do it. You don't want to do it. But someone does. Someone has to do that. And so we need to give our time, effort, energy,

and our money to go build the world we want. And only if we do that, which I'm optimistic we will, but only if we do that will we get the world we want otherwise we're gonna get someone else's world and stop and look and see what is your inner calling where is this taking you when you're listening to this what is it calling you to do go inwards check with yourself what is what can you create yeah and start following that path yeah and um yeah this is an amazing conversation lord yeah it was fun thank you so much i learn from you all the time every time i speak to you every i watch you whether you're with me or just with me on the screen so i really appreciate you yeah good this conversation thank you so much welcome son and thanks for joining us ciao