You're The Voice | by Efrat Fenigson - Ep. 2: Derrick Broze - The Conscious Resistance

Episode Date: June 21, 2023

My guest today is Derrick Broze: an author, journalist, documentary filmmaker, and activist from Houston, now based in Mexico. In 2010, Derrick founded an activist alliance called “The Houston Free Thinkers”, organizing protests, music festivals, community gardens and more.  Since 2011, Derrick has been producing videos, articles, and his radio show “Live Free, Think Free”. In 2013, he founded “The Conscious Resistance Network” , a site dedicated to journalism that exposes corporate and governmental corruption while highlighting solutions. In 2015, he began writing books; his most recent are “How To Opt Out of the Technocratic State” and “The Conscious Resistance Trilogy”.  Derrick also writes and produces documentaries, including “Bringing Down Jeffrey Epstein” and the 17-part docu-series “The Pyramid of Power”. We talked about: Activism, journalism The bridge between spirituality & everyday life Running for Mayor of Huston - how come? Controlled opposition & trust The power of words 9/11 - introduction of security measures Global agendas leading to a controlled technocratic society Channel your energies to building new realities Derrick’s ⁠Telegram | Derrick’s Twitter ► If you got value, please like, comment, share, subscribe and support my work. Thank you! -- SPONSORS -- ►► Get your TREZOR wallet & accessories, with a 5% discount, using my code at checkout (get my discount code from the latest episode - yep, you’ll have to watch it): ⁠⁠https://affil.trezor.io/SHUn⁠⁠  -- LINKS -- Efrat's Twitter:⁠⁠ https://twitter.com/efenigson⁠⁠ Efrat's Telegram:⁠⁠ https://t.me/efenigson⁠⁠ Watch/listen on all platforms:⁠⁠ https://linktr.ee/yourethevoice⁠⁠ Support Efrat's work:⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.buymeacoffee.com/efenigson⁠⁠⁠ Support Efrat with Bitcoin:⁠⁠ https://geyser.fund/project/efenigson⁠

Hello, dear friends and freedom lovers, and welcome to You're the Voice, the podcast that reminds you how important your voice is and the role you play in the world. My name is Efrat and I'm an independent journalist and podcaster with background in tech and marketing. I've transitioned into journalism when the gap left by the mainstream media and censorship was too big to bear. In this series, I interview intriguing humans, putting the spotlight on their stories and views. My guest today is Derek Brose, an author, journalist, documentary filmmaker, and activist from Houston, now based in Mexico. In 2010, Derek founded an activist alliance called the Houston Free Thinkers, organizing protests, music festivals, community gardens, and more.

Since 2011, he has been producing videos, articles, and his radio show, Live Free, Think Free. In 2013, he founded the Conscious Resistance Network, a site dedicated to journalism that exposes corporate and governmental corruption while highlighting solutions. In 2015, he began writing books. His most recent are How to Opt Out of the Technocratic State and the Conscience Resistance Trilogy. Derek also writes and produces documentaries, including Bringing Down Jeffrey Epstein and the 17-part docu-series The Pyramid of Power. I hope you enjoy the show. Please share it forward and remember, you're the voice. there rose thanks for having a chat with me i've been following you and i really love your work and i've also been following you in this conference capturing some of the stuff you said i feel like we're on the same wavelength with a lot of things and i do want to dive deeper to

some of the things you touched on in this conference and in your book um which i now have and i'm gonna read the whole thing i started reading it's really cool thank you and um if you can just start by introducing yourself telling people who you are yeah absolutely so my name is Derek Rose as you said and I've been I like to describe myself as a freelance investigative journalist for going on 11 years now before that I started getting involved in activism in 2009 and it has consumed my life now for 14 years you know so my activism has taken on everything from doing protests and marches and to building community gardens living in a activist house organizing music festivals and then eventually focusing on journalism and realizing that i

you know i enjoy writing i enjoy investigating researching i like asking powerful people questions they don't want to answer and uh and i started doing that on a local level first with like the local police chief and the local mayor and i just you know i saw examples of how the media was not doing their job. And, you know, they I'd been interviewed a few times in my early activism and I seen them act one way to me and then report on it totally differently. Yes. And so that kind of inspired me just to dive in. And then along the way, I've written some books and started to focus on documentary films. And, you know, overall, I've so far I've put out about seven or eight right now. My biggest project that I think is most important is called The Pyramid

of Power. And it's a 17 part documentary series that we're just about to release the 13th episode and it where can people find the pyramid of power.net is the main website it's on all you know platforms but that's the main website and the pyramid of power.net yeah and my focus with that was to after doing all this research for you know almost 15 years now i wanted to put together something that could be a way that i could share this information with friends and family who aren't going to read a 500 page book or watch a two-hour documentary yes and so my idea was how can i tackle each of these pieces of this pyramid and do so in 30 minutes or less and take all the best information that's out there from either books that are already written documentaries

that are already done plus my own research put it together in a concise fact-based manner with all the all the sources and all the data there and then also what's most important to me is to end every episode with suggested solutions like here's stuff we can do and then if you want to learn more read these books watch these documentaries so I started releasing it in 2021 and we're about to release the 13th episode which is actually on the technocratic state and so we're progressively like went from the education system to media it's you know just getting deeper and deeper and we're on the final four episodes now and it's about to get really deep and stuff so yeah I just you know I'm all self-taught I didn't go to school for journalism I just kind of have a passion and then along the

way I've taken journalism courses once I realized I want to take it seriously but mostly everything I do is all just self-taught like my own kind of passion and and then being inspired by other people who are doing good work and learning from them through that you know and just doing this you know coming to events I started going to events in 2011 in New York and other places and just like hey can I interview you can I talk to you and and uh yeah exactly and it just got easier and more fun and better and my work has I think got more nuanced and uh and deeper as time has gone on. And I overall, I'm just a human being, I think, like yourself and everybody who's going to hear this, who cares about the direction of the planet. And I don't have any children myself,

but I have six nieces and nephews that I really feel like I'm fighting for every day because I care about the world that is being left to them. And then also coming from an indigenous background, we're taught to think about the seven generations and beyond and not just, you know, the present moment and the people that are here and even our kids, but beyond that, the people we're not going to meet as well as those who've come before us and that's really I think what fuels me too so what is your indigenous background where from so my my family is actually an interesting mix my last name is bros my father's part of my father's side of the family is Czech but the other side is Seminole and then my mother's family has been native to Texas forever you know Texas was one

time Mexico and now the U.S. but we've just been there for a long time wow yeah and you still have roots in that tradition and that culture yeah I do I mean it's been I didn't grow up like in the culture on the reservation or anything like that it's something that I've had to rediscover and I think it's you know maybe it's a familiar story for anybody who comes from this just the modern world and things change and so there's not so many family members interested in looking back but for me it's especially you know I had a personal journey of getting into uh drug addiction and going to prison that's really what started before my activism that's kind of what woke me up first but through that developing my spiritual practice as well and

that's led me back to wanting to know where i come from and wanting to be close to that and then getting to sun dance and sweat lodge and just rediscover the roots and stuff so it's important and it's it's definitely influences the work that i do for sure that's amazing yeah and that's what i love the most that that's intersection between spirituality and the the very earthy reality that we live in right now and how can we adapt into this reality with the spiritual tools absolutely that we may get and i think a lot of people don't realize the power of spirituality and how they can harness the the amazing lessons that you can get along the way from the spiritual world into your everyday life disconnected i think this you know hippie feel good kind of reality whereas if you

really try and take the lessons and apply them to your everyday life yeah you i think you start living better that's an important point you know it's actually similar to why i started so my website's theconsciousresistance.com that's i started theconsciousresistance.com i started that in 2013 so i was doing my activism for a few years and and as i mentioned i when i was 20 years old, I got addicted to drugs, went to prison, discovered meditation, got out. And a couple years after that is when I started to just after my depression and all that stuff that kind of lifted, I rediscovered that I was an intelligent person that I like to learn. When I got out of when I got out of prison and all that experience, I pretty much just had felt like I was I don't

know how to say it other than say like felt reborn. Like I felt like I was a baby because I just I the first 20 years, 23 years of my life were trauma, depression, all this stuff. And when that finally cleared up and then when i got off drugs like i felt like i was just excited about life and wanting to understand everything and so i dove into my spiritual practice i also started to get into activism but for the first couple years they were sort of like two different lives yes because i had my my activist friends and most of the activists i knew at that time especially like kind of radical anarchists like this is like in in houston so i mean i was this is also around occupy when the occupy movement launched so we i started a group called the

Houston Freethinkers in 2010 and we were pretty much just focused on what can we do on a local level so that's what I was saying building community gardens doing fundraising doing marches doing the whole everything with activism so a lot of the activists I was meeting were atheists and there's nothing you know I don't have any problem with anybody's an atheist but for me I was in a very spiritual place and so we were connecting on activism but not on that front and then I had my spiritual friends and we were doing meditations and consciousness circles and this and that but there was also some of which I think you were describing which is I think kind of prevalent in spiritual communities a bit of like floating off in the ether being too airy and

not grounded and so when I would be at these different groups I would talk to my actors friends and maybe I'd say hey guys there's a meditation going on does anybody want to come and they'd say what are you talking about you weird hippie like you know just sort of dismissive and then I'd talk to my spiritual friends and I'd say have you guys heard about this latest police shooting or this protest and they'd say don't talk about it you're going to manifest it only good vibes so you know i was just having this experience where my activist friends didn't seem interested in spirituality and my spiritual friends didn't seem interested in activism but i so i kind of lived a double life for a couple years i just would do those things and

do those things how did you start connecting well and i to me it just seemed obvious because because of my experience in prison having the spiritual awakening and then afterwards waking up to politics to me like they naturally went together but in 2013 i kind of had one of those experiences you know where you're up all night researching watching videos and this I don't know how to say it other than this phrase the conscious resistance was just whispered to me and that's when I realized like I can't separate these things anymore and so I launched the conscious resistance in 2013 as a multimedia outlet where I could talk about everything from meditation or spirituality to political corruption to just as deep as I wanted to go because those are all my

interests and and it's who you are yeah and i think it's also like that's necessary you are to the table exactly and that's the most powerful thing because trying to fit yourself to the audience or trying to fit yourself to the people that are around you is just not working like you gotta be all of who you are in order to shine fully in order to bring your powers to to implementation in life so i i this is something that i'm struggling with now like how do i combine these two worlds because i cover a lot of earthy things sure and at the same time i do a lot of spiritual work and i know that the spiritual work that i do it helps me a lot in life yeah but it can also help other people who are following just because of the earthy stuff share that share both

them yeah so that's where i can say figure out how from my experience some in the audience aren't going to get it yes and they're just going to tune out yes and they'll watch the other videos but that's fine like i i see that too and it's it's for me it's an unfortunate thing i noticed with Over the last 14 years of me doing videos, if I do a video about Jeffrey Epstein, it's going to go viral. If I do a video about, hey, here's how to heal your trauma, it's going to get a lot less views. And I wish it wasn't that way. But the people who get it, see it, and the people who understand will. And also, I believe those who maybe are like, oh, what is this hippie stuff?

Whatever, I'll wait for the next video. In time, I believe they will get it. So you have the struggle for freedom in the external world, but there's also that internal world what I call the struggle against our internal tyrant, which can be your doubts, fears, insecurities, limiting beliefs, which hold us back. And I personally believe that at this point in time, we need everybody to be able to work through those things because we happen to need the best version of everybody's selves right now. And so my work really does explore that, you know, I do reports on, you know, really dark topics in terms of child trafficking and things

like that. But also I try to bring in motivational videos and discussions on meditation and healing trauma and sharing my own personal story as well and just explore that intersection that's amazing yeah it's fun we need as much space internally as we can in order to hold everything that's coming in and not be triggered by it so that we can process it and do something with exactly and also let it out a lot of people forget that part but that's really amazing and one detail about you that you forgot to mention is the fact that you're running for mayor i'm running for mayor as well Can you say something about that? Yeah, yeah.

As an activist, that really fascinates me because, you know, a lot of people tell me go for politics and I just can't stand the thought. How are you doing that? With very carefully trying not to throw up in my mouth because it makes me sick at some point. And I say that as a joke. But I mean, so if anybody who knows my work or checks on my work or checks on my book, I mean, I'm an anarchist. I don't believe in government, really. But I do believe that we're in some really consequential times. And so I, as I mentioned, like, you know, I use my voice however I can, whether that's writing documentaries, writing books, speaking publicly, music, whatever it may be. And to me, running for mayor is just another avenue that allows me to speak to people who don't know about my work, who don't know about BitChute or Odyssey or don't know about the Better Way Conference. These are just average people who pay attention more to maybe mainstream politics.

And so I'm originally from Houston. That is where I ran for mayor in 2019. And I'm running again this year. Actually, you know, after this trip here in the UK, I'll be going back and pretty much moving back to Texas just for the rest of the like it's about to get serious. um but how long is the campaign going to be until november so i've been campaigning since i started i launched in february in the elections in november but it doesn't really on a local level it doesn't really pick up till this summer basically next month becomes official you can file to be on the ballot and that's when all the debates and forums and tv interviews and radio

interviews and stuff start and that's why i'm doing it because it it's and i really i hate this but the fact is that playing that game gives me access that i don't that derrick bros the journalist doesn't have access to so i mean i've been doing my work in houston for over a decade and i've my my reporting has been featured in local media and i've been covered in this and they know who i am for sure like the cops know me by name whether i like it or not but for the most part i'm derided as local conspiracy theorist or you know local crazy person whatever but derrick bros candidate for mayor gets invited to old folks homes to high schools to rich neighborhoods to poor neighborhoods to Republican groups to Democrat groups it just opens up all these doors and again

I think it's stupid that it takes that yes you know also kind of side note to that and this is I think part of the programming in our society is I might meet somebody and they have no idea who I am but off anybody on the street they don't know about my work at all but if they hear I'm running for mayor they want to take a selfie with me all of a sudden and it's just like to me that's part of the programming oh you're a candidate you're a politician you must be somebody important but I feel like everything I've done beyond that is way more important than just running for office. But ultimately, you know, I do have ideas. And we're talking about a lot of radical things on the local level. I'll say in 2019, I was the only person saying that if I became mayor, I was going to

pass an ordinance in the city to make it where nobody could be forced vaccinated. And that was six months before COVID. And I was saying that because in the US, they were saying at that time that measles were spreading because of anti-vaxxers. And so there was already that conversation happening again like you if you're paying attention you could see where it was going and that year actually 2019 the world health organization had declared that anti-vaxxers were one of the top 10 global threats to public health and that was a year before covid so in that sense you know i'm able to come back now and say hey i was right about that issue you could see what happened but also i think the what i think is to me the most important or the coolest aspect

of it is that in my i mean in my experience as an activist and a journalist i've gone to city council maybe hundreds of times at this point for a variety of issues and I've seen how ineffective it is and how it doesn't really make a difference and particularly in Houston where there's four million people there's a 16 member council and one mayor who is the mayor in Houston is the strongest in the entire United States they he that person whoever has that position male or female they have the ability to decide what goes on the weekly agenda and that means they get to decide what gets discussed what gets voted on so let's say that you lived in houston you had a topic that you were concerned about you call your council member and say hey i'm worried about this this

and that you come to city council to speak you tell them what you want to speak about if your issue is not on the main agenda you get placed at the very end so you might be there two three four hours on a tuesday afternoon where most people are working or going to school and they have to go downtown and take all the time and nobody's listening by time you get the chance to speak half the council's gone the rest of them are playing on their phones they're not even paying attention and so it's a very dissatisfying experience but the times that i have had success for example was trying to get fluoride out of the water we had four different council members willing to listen to us but they said but we can't do anything the mayor decides what goes on

the agenda so even if all 16 of us agreed they can't do anything so clearly this is not a good thing and so my activism showed me that directly so i brought that into the campaign and uh in 2019 when I was running, I said, you know, if we become, if I become mayor, we're going to change the city charter so that if one third of the council, three members support an issue, that it automatically gets placed on the agenda, regardless of what the mayor thinks. And then it can be discussed, debated, potentially voted on. And it's, to me, it's at least one more step to the people actually having a voice because, and the thing about Houston is there's three and a half million people in the greater Houston area. There's only 200,000 registered voters in the entire city and

only 100,000 people even bother voting. So 100,000, only 100,000 people decide the mayor of the fourth largest city in the United States. I mean, my belief is there, I think there's multiple things. For one, the other thing is the statistics show that the average voter in Houston is 70 and older. So it's only the older generation that's even paying attention on the local level. And so because of that, the other candidates, they don't even bother going to the campuses. They don't do, they don't, they only have to focus on the people they know are going to vote. Whereas we're running a very atypical campaign trying to activate people who normally wouldn't care to say hey I'm not a politician I'm an activist I'm doing this to come change things and shake things up

and so I kind of see that as like there's a chance then if you could activate enough people to totally just shake things up at the very least freak these people out and get them to maybe you know change their ways but I'll say that in 2019 when I was running on that I was calling for changing the city charter to take away the power of the mayor and people started resonating with the idea. People really loved it. The other candidates started to steal the idea, started to say it on stage as well. But more importantly, I didn't win in 2019. I wasn't expecting to. But after that, a bunch of local activist groups came together and they took that idea and they gathered more than 40,000 petition signatures. And now this year, Houstonians can

vote to take away the power of the mayor. Wow. And in addition to the race, it's going to be its own resolution that people can say, do you want to change the city charter to take away the power of the mayor and give it back to the council? So something very hard. I don't believe that would have happened without me running and so i'm running again this year to kind of make sure that that goes all the way to the finish line like to say hey even if you don't like me or my ideas like vote for that because that alone could change the history of the city and it could ideally in a better world get mean that your voices actually matter if you call the council or you come speak they can actually do something about it now instead of it just being so even as an anarchist

even as somebody who i don't vote myself i don't participate in political system but i'm trying to hijack the system for six months and get a message out there. And I know that I have the intelligence and the ability to articulate the message that when they give me five minutes on TV, I can say what needs to be said. And I did this last time to great effect. So like I said, after this trip, it's just about to begin. So I think people can expect to see lots of clips coming out of me. Way to see it. I have fun doing it. I mean, to me, it's like a challenge. I get to be on stage with politicians and call them out to their faces. There's really nothing else more fun than that to that's amazing well done and by the way texas was one of the states that was a bit better with

covid no it was better for the most parts i mean obviously texas is a big state and in the u.s and i think maybe maybe lots of parts of the world the cities are were controlled by the democratic party so like houston major city austin the capital like there's three major cities that are all run by Democratic politicians. But then the rest of the state is more conservative and the governor is conservative. So for the most part, like the state itself didn't lock down and didn't do that. But then you had on the local level, like this current mayor, he he did since he didn't have the power to lock people in their homes. He tried to, but the state stopped him. He did the only thing he could do, which was to mandate the vaccine for all city employees, which is still

thousands and thousands of people. So he used the only power he could. He clearly wanted to do this. And, you know, that's the other thing, too, about everybody else in this race. There's 12 people running, including myself. But the media, the way they work it, too, is they like to report, here are the five candidates running for office or the five main candidates. And they don't even mention the rest of us. Those five main candidates are all have all raised millions of dollars already. They're all tied to the Democratic Party. They supported Biden.

So even though officially on local the local races in Houston, there's no party. So, like, when you see my name, it's just Derek. Just my name. Which that's the only reason I'm doing it. I wouldn't run if I needed to pledge allegiance to a party. But in the case of them, you can these people are publicly, you know, they're either career politicians who have worked with the Democratic Party. So they're very much a part of this agenda. And that's the other thing, too, is I'm trying to get people to see that, like, this is a chance to maybe throw some wrench into the gears on the local level.

And that's the other thing I'll say is, like, I don't plan to do this ever again. You know, I'm building a community in Mexico. That's more important to me. but if people feel inclined on the local level you can do more than you can you know we focus so much energy on the united nations the world economic forum and those are important but at the same time these policies are implemented on the local level in your town council in your city council you know that's where it's actually happened so you could potentially if each of us were focused in that way whether you're running for office or just as an activist

focusing our energy there then we could potentially stop it on that level maybe not everywhere and some places will probably get worse but maybe some places hold out and we do maintain freedom there you know amen okay so i've got a few questions for you okay yesterday you said in one of your speeches you talked about like how we can get together and find the commonalities rather than the stuff that divides us and i feel like we're at a stage now with the let's call it like the global resistance movement sure that is finding a lot of things inside our camp that divide us and who's controlled opposition and who's a shield and who's you know and and i hate seeing that it's not that i don't think that some people are controlled opposition but i just feel like

people are starting to be less trusting of the of each other and there's a lot of fear and doubt even inside our camp and i just feel like we're going back backwards and and playing the same game that we came from that we we want to we saying we want to build something new but we're playing this the exact same game yeah so what's your take on and how do you see the the how can we reach unity in this kind of you know polarized environment i definitely see what you're describing as well and it's something that i try to speak out against especially as somebody who there are websites right now that have my name and James Corbett's name and Whitney Webb and other people who've done great work names on lists of shills or controlled opposition because we don't talk

about this topic or that topic like you guys will be the last people on earth that I would one of the things I think that is the problem with these different movements so personally I will say I as time has gone on and as my work has progressed I think my views have matured I don't consider myself to be a part of any sort of conspiracy theory movement, not to say that I use that word in the way the mainstream use it. But at the same time, there are conspiracy theorists within our movements, people who see conspiracies behind everything, who have gotten so far that they don't trust anything or anyone and everything's fake. And this person is this. And I don't think that's helpful. I think it's actually a dangerous mindset where you lose like, you know, you go from the point of questioning. We know that the mainstream is lying to us about a lot of things, but then you get to the point where you lose all your foundation.

And that doesn't mean we shouldn't, that everything shouldn't be questionable or we shouldn't inspect everything. But I do think there is danger in that. And also, you know, to the point of the reality that there is controlled opposition, as you mentioned, like not to say these things don't happen, right? we know for example in the u.s and there's been other documents from other governments but particularly in the u.s uh the counterintelligence programs that started in the 40s 50s up to the 70s they claim they ended but none of us believe that and this was before the internet where they were using things like just going to activist groups and listening or starting rumors or you know sending letters to mlk to tell him to kill himself that's the equivalent of a digital troll

somebody's saying you're an idiot you know imagine that digitally so these practices have we know they've existed but now it's gone to the digital age and so that is much easier because anybody can be an anonymous person on the internet and say hey i think this person's doing this oh i heard this rumor about that or in the case of content creators they can try to get in your head and like just taunt you mess with you and so sometimes those are real people who are just unhappy in their own lives i assume other times it might be government agents it could who knows but so those things do happen and we shouldn't just say oh come on that doesn't happen but going around everywhere and trying to apply that to like not it's just spending your time like that

i feel like if you're doing that with your time you're probably not actually doing anything to help yourself like my message is all about exit and build build new systems get off their systems i imagine if you're somebody who's just spending your hours and time talking about other people doing this and that and especially with no evidence you're probably not spending much time taking care of your own self. You know, that's one thing to think about. But yeah, I've just, I've noticed this a lot. And so the reality COINTELPRO programs, but to bring it a little bit more modern, there was this, there is this professor, he's still alive, his name's Cass Sunstein. And he was part of the Obama administration. He wrote a paper called

Cognitive Infiltration. I think it was in 2009. And he specifically discussed how the governments and intelligence communities should infiltrate activist groups and conspiracy theorist groups and create conspiracies within those groups to divide them to slow them down we have uh documents from the gchq british gchq talking about uh creating fake profiles on youtube twitter facebook to dissuade disrupt delay you know like that's their goals they want us to be fighting amongst ourselves to not get things done to not be doing these beautiful things so they're definitely using these tactics and they are and i and the other thing is like so maybe one person could come in a chat room or a message board or on Facebook or wherever. And maybe that person works for a

government agency or for the local police and they just seed a rumor. But then the sad thing is people within the community then take it and run with it. And then you have people like myself and others whose work gets tarnished by people who will believe anything like, oh, no, I heard that person is this thing. And that's exactly what they want, you know. So question everything, question everyone. But ultimately, the way I see it, too, is if you're not putting me on a pedestal or putting you on a pedestal and blindly following anyone then what does it really matter if they're controlled opposition yeah because if you're just following your heart take some information if it works for you but if you happen to be working for the cia then and i'm

not you know letting you lead me around then what does it really matter like so that's the other thing is so we need to stop also looking to each other it's great like i appreciate that people value my work and want to talk to me and and and that feels good of course but don't put me on a pedestal so that if you think i'm controlled that somehow is a personal emotional thing for you right like if i was controlled it shouldn't affect you it shouldn't matter to you because you should be leading yourself and following your own solutions yeah not just going from the mainstream follow these celebrities follow these politicians to like no i'm going to go to the freedom movement and then follow these people like yeah you should exercise your discernment exactly if if that

doesn't feel right for you and you said yesterday you're you don't want to talk to a bunch of zombies you're fine with people not agreeing with you right it was in the context of climate change or yeah and just different narratives that i think that again like we're we're you just getting stuck i loved your message about respecting everyone no matter what their opinion is yeah as long as they don't you know bodily autonomy themselves exactly we should be able to sit down and have discussions and say okay you have this viewpoint and i have this viewpoint neither of us are going to punch each other in the face we're going to have a healthy discussion if that's the case then you're respecting my body the autonomy and if we're working towards similar goals i don't

necessarily care if we agree on all the details you know because why should i spend my time you and i agree on 98 of everything but these two percent we don't agree on now we can't work together you know exactly what that doesn't doesn't really that's a waste of time you want to find the 98 that we do agree on and move on with that exactly and that's the only way we can find unity because i don't think we're going to find two people that agree on everything in life exactly and we don't need to necessarily we don't need to and that's what i was saying at the talk is you know for me my principles come from the philosophy of voluntarism and the idea of creating a society based on voluntary relationships removing force fraud coercion violence and

you know two people so every time anybody engages like this we're choosing voluntarily to communicate to talk to have this relationship here this connection nobody's holding a gun to our head forcing us to be here this is anarchism in action this is volunteerism in action it is free and so people don't recognize that that that's really what we need and then when you apply that that ethic though and you look at okay what about things like government well that's not necessarily voluntary that's coercion if you don't pay this tax if you don't do this thing they'll take you away they'll take you know so it's important for us to understand that and for me since i operate from that viewpoint i can sit and talk with somebody i'm a vegan i can sit and talk with

a meat eater i you know i question climate change i can talk to somebody who wholeheartedly believes in it um i can talk to somebody who doesn't believe that the covid virus exists and or any viewpoint really i feel like that all that does is make me more uh well-rounded to understand and i think a problem that i see especially the internet it kind of social media i think it amplifies this is when it comes to these different controversial topics people are either in one extreme or the other yeah and they and they often bounce from one extreme to the other so it's like okay wait i recognize that this person is pushing this issue in a very extreme way then the answer must be the exact opposite polar opposite of that and there's no room for middle and i think that's

a mistake that some in our movement are making yeah it's a polarized world there's a third dimension yeah in all its glory okay um you said don't be afraid of words right and and you gave some examples of like that's how we don't trust people because we take a word for what it means and we get stuck onto it it's just like keep flowing just take whatever resonates with you right yeah and words are magic too i mean words are yes i'm sure you're familiar with the four agreements and those who are not should you know the idea that words can be poison or they can be healing they can help and and these folks what i call the predator class they play word games they play word magic as well. And so they use words in a way that is very deceptive and not with the

meaning that most of us would assume. So when they say sustainable or decentralization, I don't really trust that that's what they mean. Or equity. Or equity, diversity, inclusivity. Yeah. So people in our freedom movements and health movements and, you know, all these different intersecting movements are questioning those things. But then again, the extreme reaction is, well, then anybody who uses that word must be a part of that plan instead of just like look at the word objectively and in the context of how it's used like if somebody like me is saying hey let's do permaculture and we're going to create a more sustainable ecosystem diversity then that doesn't have to be a bad thing right if you look in the context now if it's coming from the un and they're saying this

and that and then you look at the details and you're like okay there's a little more to it then yeah maybe question those motives but i there's it's the same thing it's polarization It's like about words. It's about ideas. It's this person's controlled. And again, I think this is serving somebody's purpose, but not ours. 100%. Okay. You touched a little bit in your talk about what's happening in New York and tracking carbon. I love, this is how I put it as well. carbon credit is the is the twin brother the western twin brother of social credit score because i don't think if they bring social credit score to the west people are just going to take it because they're going to say hey that's china and that's going to create resistance so they call it carbon credits which is a lot more uh intelligent and western which is again another way to play

with words yeah but we're seeing this unfolding already in new york where the mayor there has officially declared in this press conference that they're gonna track and your your consumption habits yeah and your food choices yeah and it's being put on that dashboard very similarly to covid we're seeing that in australia playing out in the banking applications where they track your carbon we're seeing in brazil there's a pilot running in the c6 bank if you know them and They're already they've called my friend Simon Goddick, which is here after he has reached his limit of carbon credits and told him, you want to you want to pay now 100 bucks to get your credits up again? And he said, fuck off. No. And they said, well, now it's voluntarily. It's still voluntarily like they're running some kind of of pilot program, but that's what's coming.

So how do you see this playing out, especially when it ties in with the whole money thing and CBDC for those people that don't know what it is? Yeah. I mean, that's I hadn't even heard about that in Brazil yet, but that's that's that's how all this stuff starts is in a voluntary way. And I mean, like COVID, you can see, I mean, before COVID going back to 9-11 and a lot of the policies there, it's the same thing. It's like and where we're at now. And a lot of this, I think, for those who have only woken up from COVID should go back and look at 9-11 as well and start to question that. early then well just different programs like so for example in the beginning after like in the u.s before 9-11 we didn't have the tsa we didn't have the department of homeland security all this stuff then of course 9-11 terrorism creation of these massive new departments searching people at the airports yes and many of these measures were supposed to be temporary and voluntary they

say and they eventually stay forever and then they become long term so that includes things like the body standards at the airports yes which they you know you can either go through that microwave or you can get searched and groped by the people at the airport the other thing now is they're starting to roll out and this is all around the world but in the U.S. right now facial recognition in the camera in the airports and right now it's voluntary so for example on my flight over here when you're boarding the plane right as you're getting they have this tablet set up and you're supposed to go up and it turns green if you look at it well for the U.S. you can kind of say hey I opt out of that and they'll cover it up and then you can go by and just do your normal thing for now and

this is going to be phased out in the next year like I've been warning about this for years they've talked about by 2024 in the u.s you won't be able to fly without doing it and i noticed when we came in as well yeah when we came into the uk we couldn't say no to it already so it's already done here and and i hear from friends here it's the same kind of style like they use the same patterns this incremental strategy to get people comfortable like you said if they sort of jump to social credit it's not going to happen yeah they've seen we've seen that with the 9-11 i mean go back to the post 9-11 these people were rolling out this plan right they wanted like even before covid they wanted to do this right away but there was more resistance back then you can look up a

program uh if people haven't heard of it it's called total information awareness and it's actually really creepy this was the office of total information awareness so just that name total information awareness the u.s government announced it it existed but only for i think less than a year yeah the literal logo of this department of the u.s government was a pyramid with an all cni looking over the world no shit and after there was pushback and protest and like you know some politicians back then spoke up they closed the department down like it was it was closed but since then they just took all those pieces and repurposed it put it other places other names but it just shows you how progressively they wear people down and then with covid those

advances but they were trying 23 years ago right after 9-11 they thought they scared people enough to do it but people still weren't like okay we'll let you grow up us at the airport but not that far and then with time they wear people down so we're seeing similar things now with the social credit with facial recognition you mentioned central bank digital currencies that is i think one of the huge components of it because we know if you control people through finances like you can limit them in a lot of ways we saw that with covid with you control their life you can and and so right now you know people have the ability to use cash if they want um i wouldn't say cash is like the ultimate goal for me i think there's steps even beyond that but in terms of having some level of

being anonymous then yeah that does provide that and we're seeing i know in the u.s and here since i've been here there's places that are increasingly saying no to cash and we're only digital only you know card only well that obviously can very easily switch over to a digital wallet that can have your track your carbon your social credit and your whatever depending on where you live government digital currency and everything in there you know i call it the one app to rule them all and you know that's like the the china's wechat app i mean that they use x elon musk so that that idea that it's going to be one device that it'll be so convenient it'll be you know you don't need all your cards and all these different things just one thing and you can use that

everywhere and then you can go to uh check out in the store you don't have to talk to a human being so that's the way they're going to sell it convenience entertainment better for the environment all that stuff but again it's all about controlling people's access and i'll give a real world example that we've seen a couple of them in the last couple of years, but one of them being, I think, the more well-known one, the people donating to the Canadian trucker movement and then getting their bank accounts and PayPal's turned off. So that's, even without CBDCs, that they can shut people down.

But of course, with social credit, CBDCs, facial recognition cameras, they can see you anywhere, they can locate you. You said the wrong thing on the internet, turn them off. They can't ride the bus anymore. That's what happened in China just recently. There was a number of, you know, China's been dealing with the zero COVID policy for years now, and it's one of the most authoritarian, if not the most authoritarian in the world that we've seen. And people were trying to protest that, but also people were recently trying to protest the banks and they organized some protests. And of course, the Chinese government found out about it. They found out who the organizer, they turned off their devices.

so when they went to go catch a bus to make it to the protest it said sorry you can't you know you you're lost privileges because rights become privileges in this technocratic state as i call it you know the blueprint that they want exactly it is and and the other thing guys it in a much more sophisticated they're going to sell it in different ways but ultimately it's the same system the other thing i'll say about that in the chinese document where they describe the outline of their system they say that their ultimate goal is to make it that anti-social people can't take a single step from their house that's where they wanted to go that you lose all privileges to even leave to even leave your to even leave your own home which what was the lockdowns it was a preview

of like that yeah so that's i mean and now it's of course climate lockdowns and these discussions people just need to know like you know we're talking about some really heavy things that this these are a reality i don't think these are 100 guaranteed per se because we have the power we do have the power you know as we were talking like on a local level but at the same time we would be ignorant stupid too foolish to not be aware of these things and then to choose rather than to be stuck in a place of fear to be proactive and to say okay if you can see that there's a train wreck coming ahead do you know what do you do you start making a plan start making an exit plan you know i talk about exit and build so if you see that the banking system

is going this ways find ways to get off that system you know if you're if you're a person who's in a situation where you've got credit card debt and you're using a mainstream bank big bank that's doing all these horrible things start getting involved in like a local credit union or a small bank you know take steps in that direction it's not going to happen overnight but you know start reducing that debt start moving over there if you're you know start participating in local uh barter networks or community networks where you have the opportunity to use cash and if you're open to things like private cryptos like monero use those you know while you can and i do believe myself i've been using crypto since 2012 as a journalist i started

doing research in 2012 and going to events and learning about it but also i i even before i kind of had my wake-up experience i just didn't trust banks and i wasn't very good at it so i just kind of quit in 2008 i've never used the bank since then and i don't have a relationship money in the bank i don't have money in the bank and i don't have a relationship with the uh irs and the us people can interpret that how they like but i've tried to stay out of their systems for these reasons and with time i've realized wow this is why i was staying out but now i think more and more people are recognizing the value of being outside of these systems but it's not just about being outside of their systems the bigger picture is to build something up and because i think that's

the real answer i don't see you know despite yes i'm running for mayor but i don't think real change is going to come from politics i know the answer is not going to come from violence and i know it's not going to come from apathy i believe the answer is for us to let's okay we see what's going on take a breath take it in be aware yes and an act from a centered heart centered place knowing that i you know i believe this is why we're here on this planet i believe that this is the mission that we have that this is why we're here so that we can help those that are coming after us so we can honor that those who have come before us and stand for what we know is right and if we choose to do that each of us collectively around the world i think we will see

something better and not that it'll be easy not that there won't be struggle but that it'll be possible and i know also know that if we don't start to try if we don't even bother then we know what's coming and okay listen i i have two more big topics that i want to talk to you about but i don't want to take too much of your time and i i want to dig deeper sure those two topics with you so we can do this online that was amazing i want to talk to you about sai stratosphere aerosol injection i just wrote an article about it and you touched upon it yesterday so i've got of new information about it wonderful and i want to talk about depopulation and eugenics so if we can do online session later that would be amazing that works for me and i want to like i thanking

you is not even it doesn't even describe what i want to say but just thank you for being who you are and spreading your light and your your messages because we need that we need people to speak out to understand their power their freedom their sovereignty and give example to other people just by doing it and not just by feeling it and and and you're just walking the talk and it's very inspiring and thank you thank you for so much for who you are thank you so much for your time We'll see you then.