You're The Voice | by Efrat Fenigson - Ep. 8: Dr. Sabine Hazan - Microbiome Magic

Episode Date: October 3, 2023

My guest today is Dr. Sabine Hazan: a physician, specialist in gastro-enterology, internal medicine, hepatology and Gut Flora/Microbiome. This episode is all about Healing the body & the world through the Microbiome. Sabine has 20+ years of experience leading 300+ clinical trials for cutting-edge research. Since March 2020, she’s been at the forefront of Covid research, leading clinical trials for its treatment. We talked about: 2:00 - Sabine’s Covid research through the Microbiome & Bifidobacterium 10:30 - Bifido in severe Covid patients vs. immuned to Covid patients  15:00 - natural immunity to Covid: learning & researching  19:00 - how much Bifidobacterium do we have?  22:20 - censorship in science, the price we pay & building new uncensored alternatives 29:30 - Sabine’s healing philosophy 36:00 - the PCR tests lie, lack of doctors’ training for Covid treatment, and C19 jabs  45:00 - C19 jabs adverse reactions & the bad pregnancy clinical trials 47:40 - is mRNA affecting Bifidobacterium? 49:20 - ways to increase your natural immunity, probiotics 55:00 - doctor-patient relationship, and trust in doctors 1:02:20 - the autism Microbiome treatment, research on autism-vaccines connection  1:17:00 - Sabine’s words of hope  ► If you got value, please like, comment, share, subscribe and support my work. Thank you! -- SPONSORS -- ►► Get your TREZOR wallet & accessories, with a 5% discount, using my code at checkout (get my discount code from the latest episode - yep, you’ll have to watch it): ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://affil.trezor.io/SHUn⁠⁠⁠⁠  -- LINKS -- Sabine’s ⁠⁠website⁠⁠ | ⁠⁠Twitter⁠⁠  Efrat's Twitter:⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://twitter.com/efenigson⁠⁠⁠⁠ Efrat's Telegram:⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://t.me/efenigson⁠⁠⁠⁠ Watch/listen on all platforms:⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://linktr.ee/yourethevoice⁠⁠⁠⁠ Support Efrat's work:⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.buymeacoffee.com/efenigson⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Support Efrat with Bitcoin:⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://geyser.fund/project/efenigson⁠⁠

Hello, dear friends and freedom lovers, and welcome to You're the Voice, the podcast that reminds you how important your voice is and the role you play in the world. My name is Afrat, and I'm an independent journalist and podcaster with an extensive background in tech and marketing. In this podcast, I interview intriguing humans, putting the spotlight on their stories and views. My guest today is Dr. Sabine Hazen, a physician, specialist in gastroenterology, internal medicine, hepatology, and expert on the gut flora, also known as the microbiome. She's the co-founder of Topelia Therapeutics and CEO of Ventura Clinical Trials, where

she has 20 plus years of experience leading more than 300 clinical trials for cutting edge research. Since March 2020, she has been at the forefront of COVID-19 research, leading ongoing FDA approved clinical trials for COVID treatment. Sabine runs a genetic sequencing research laboratory, leading 35 studies investigating the role of the gut flora in various diseases. She's a writer, author, world-renowned speaker, and editor for Practical Gastroenterology, a peer-reviewed journal that reaches 18,000 professional readers.

I hope you enjoy the show. Please share it so others can get value and gain knowledge too. Okay, Dr. Sabine Hazen, thank you so much for being here with me today. Thank you. Thank you for having me. With pleasure. With pleasure. I feel like we've known each other for a long, long time because we've been in touch for a long

time and this conversation should have happened already. So I'm very, very glad we're doing this. Absolutely. Okay. And I want to jump into it because I have a lot of questions for you. I did a little bit of homework and I want to start just for those that don't know, what is Bifidobacteria in the microbiome? What is microbiome for those who don't know? what is microbiome it's a accumulation of microbes all around us in us on our skin in our nose in our lungs in our eyes in our guts i'm focusing on the microbiome of the gut uh personally but that's in essence it's a an accumulation of microbes all over us and that's parasites bacteria viruses

you name it it's all microbes fungi as well fungi as well absolutely and bifidobacteria bifidobacteria is one of the bacteria that's in um in the microbiome which is of interest because babies are born with a lot of bifidobacteria and we die with zero bifidobacteria so bifidobacteria is also the bacteria you see in your probiotics it's in your yogurt if you look at you know a brand of yogurt without saying a name you'll see bifidobacteria longum or bifidobacteria bifidum that's the type of bacteria that's in the gut that's in the gut but also in your probiotics okay so now you're going to take us to share with us how you discovered the connection between bifidobacteria in the microbiome in relation to covid so we found our lab was the first one to

identify whole genome sequencing of uh sequences of covid um by that i mean the whole entire virus from the head to the tail to the body the spike everything so we were able to identify it at the beginning of the pandemic in 2020 when we identified it remember at that time they were all looking at nasal. We focused on the stools. Why the stools? Because when I started my work on the microbiome years prior to COVID, I realized that there's microbes in us that exist, but they're kind of dormant. They don't do anything, but they're microbes that, you know, potentially could do something, right? You think of botulin toxin, you think of E. coli, Klebsiella, you know, those are all living in us as a fingerprint, in some of us, I should say. And of course, bifidobacteria

lives in us, Clostridium difficile, the bacteria that is like, you know, that raise the awareness of the microbiome to begin with. All these microbes live in our guts. And so what happens is when these microbes are out of balance, disease starts occurring. And that was really my research before covid when covid hit of course my focus is i bet you it's in the gut if it's in the nose it's in the gut why because the nose is linked to the gut with blood vessels anything that comes in the nose goes in the blood vessels travels and goes into your gut so the body doesn't just you know live as a one organ right it's not the nose alone or yeah the heart alone or the lungs alone they're all you know there's nerves that attach everything and that connect everything and there's

blood vessels that connect everything so you can think of these blood vessels like your tunnels right so microbes will travel up and down and you could think of your nerves as your your highway right microbes will travel up and down so to me if it's in the nose it's in the stools so when we started looking at the stools and i told this to my scientist i said look we need to look at it he said you may not find anything and this was an expensive pipeline to start developing because that was about 125 000 so to do to spend 125 000 and not expecting anything was just you know a gamble right i mean it's like get ready to trash 125 000 so i i made the call and i said i don't care if we don't look at it if we don't look for it we're never going to understand it so

So at the same time, I was I was kind of linked up with the National Institute of Standards because I've given a lecture. I gave a lecture there. I work with them. You know, they're the standardization of labs and everything in America. So and I said, you know, to Scott Jackson, I said, I think you need to like start looking at the, you know, the stools. It's probably in the stools. And there was there was an idea of a stool test already in China, but it was not whole genome sequencing. so he started looking at the septic and that's how the whole awareness of septic tank and looking at the virus through the septic so when we started looking at the stools of the individual the one thing we realized is wow everybody that's outside the household has a different virus right different parts of the virus so like let's say you have abcd is the virus somebody had abb ccd right so

that's another type of the virus or somebody had abb cccd so different the same um the same components but just multiplied in some areas so a bigger head a bigger more spike mutations more tail mutations so the virus took on a different shape in different families that we analyzed and it was present in a hundred percent of the people we tested who had positive nasal swab it was also present in people that had um that were asymptomatic which was a shock to us because it was you know what was it in asymptomatic again patients that had is that one patient had had symptoms of a cold two weeks prior and sure enough in his stools we isolated COVID because he had he was no longer symptomatic but he had had symptoms and the virus was still in his stools

we then started noticing that the virus was continuing to persist in people so in other words some people had it for six months and then the studies started like the GI community started looking at the stools and you know the variations and that's when so that was the beginning right so the beginning was really identifying in the stools of humans why it's this is more important than the septic is because the septic remember everything falls into the septic bacteria that's alive or bacteria that's dead so when people look at the septic tank it doesn't mean that the virus is in the septic alive reproducing it just means that you've got particles whole particles of the virus that you've identified that is possibly a dead a dead virus right in the human beings

you can correlate the symptoms with the virus it's a different story because if the patient still has symptoms or is a long hauler for example you have to ask yourself well maybe there's still COVID in the stools that didn't remove themselves, right? So the importance of looking at human beings and the stools is something that was ignored during this pandemic. And I feel that that was a mistake because the stools told us so much. So the first thing we saw is obviously appearance of COVID in the stools, appearance of COVID in long haulers, appearance of COVID in people that had like a young girl with Tourette's that we found COVID, we eradicated the virus and sure enough, the virus disappeared and the symptoms improved. So this was an amazing case that

demonstrates the gut to brain pathway, right? Because here's a kid that I identified a microbe in the gut, had a neurological problem of Tourette's. I eradicated the virus and then the neurological symptoms disappeared that's the brain access so from there what gave me the clue in this girl to look for COVID because it's not easy to look for whole genome sequence of COVID was the fact that she had a loss of bifidobacteria which I found peculiar in a 14 year old remember kids are born with a lot of bacteria and we die with zero the process of aging is loss of bifidobacteria. So prior to COVID, we already had looked at bifidobacteria because it's a billion dollar industry. So we figured, well, it's got to be some truth. Here we are giving people

probiotics, but we're not even looking at the stools of human beings to correlate it with disease. Well, lo and behold, we started discovering that, you know, people with Lyme disease had loss of bifidobacteria. People with Crohn's disease that were naive to treatment had loss of bifidobacteria. People with invasive cancer had loss of bifidobacteria. So that group that's high risk for COVID, the elderly had loss of bifidobacteria compared to the newborn babies. So that single microbe became important, right? To see, well, what is bifidobacteria doing in severe COVID patients versus patients that are exposed to severe patients and don't catch COVID? I'll give you an example. You know, I hug my patients. I take care of them. You know, the whole pandemic, I'm exposed to them. What was it in my gut that basically allowed me to be exposed without a mask and not catch COVID from that patient? Maybe my microbiome, right? So I was essentially the first guinea pig, right?

then I started looking for other people like me you know my manager that basically analyzes tools all day long and she's not had COVID and she slept over her husband that had COVID and her kids had COVID she didn't have it what was the key in her same thing bifidobacteria she has like 16 percent bifidobacteria in her gut that's enormous right so then we started looking at other people an 85 year old man who hadn't had COVID and basically high bifidobacteria. So bifidobacteria became really the path. Like just yesterday, I had a guy who had symptoms for one day with COVID. Well, lo and behold, he had 20% bifidobacteria in his gut, right? So it came in and out. He tested one day positive, the next day is negative. Did his gut take over the virus and

flush it out into the septic. So now we're focusing on the septic, but here's the guy survived, right? So what we started looking at is looking at the virus strains versus the level of bifidobacteria. So the first thing we saw first in the severe versus the exposed but never had COVID, severe COVID had zero bifidobacteria and the highly exposed never got COVID had a lot of bifidobacteria same thing with the asymptomatic or mild had a lot of bifidobacteria of course it wasn't just bifidobacteria there's another bacteria called facilebacterium pratsnitzi which is a complex microbe which also let's say you don't have bifidobacteria it comes up and it compensates so those people that have zero bifidobacteria but have a lot of facilebacterium

could still be mild moderate but the severe definitely had zero bif zero facilebacterium Pratsnitsi, loss of diversity. And, you know, for those people that kind of criticized and said, well, you know, they're sick, of course, they're going to have loss of diversity. We tested the stools at the beginning of COVID before we started anything. So it was really a true baseline of what the microbiome looked like. So I really believe the loss of diversity is what predisposed them to begin with having COVID. And then high bacteroides, a bacteria that we've been noticing. So, you know, the high bacteroides, the loss of bifidobacteria, the loss of fascilobacterium, the loss of diversity to us was almost like a predictor

of severe. And then those who had high fascilobacterium, high bifido, low bacteroides, good diversity, they were semi-protected. We believe they were protected. And that stood through the test of time over the last three years, right? So, and I'm going to be publishing these cases that I call the golden microbiome, because ultimately we need to learn from the microbiome of those who survived. What makes it that somebody can go into the forest and where there's like malaria and not catch malaria, but then another person goes into the forest and catches malaria. We need to understand that. And so this, this pandemic allowed us to do that because there were a lot of people that were courageous enough to say, I don't want the

vaccine. I don't want medications. I'm good. I'm going to trust my immunity from God. And I'm going to go out there. I'm going to go to the parties and I'm going to go travel and I'm going to live life and I'm not going to wear a mask. These people, we need to study. We shouldn't be crucifying them we should say what makes them so courageous what makes them so brave what makes them so strong maybe something in their microbiome and we should analyze that microbiome so that those that are not as strong not as immune you know strong need to learn what microbes they're missing because it's not about the microbes see the the trend of microbiology and you see all my books in the back so i've read a lot the trend of microbiology and medicine has always been

find the bug that causes the problem kill the bug and we're done wrong the trend should be yes find the bug kill the bug but then also realize what else you've killed because the lost microbes is what's going to give you the next problem so yeah it's great that you've survived this urinary tract infection today or that you've survived uh you know pneumonia today but then what did you kill that is going to cause you to have an autoimmune process down the road and decrease your quality of life so it is about a balance it's about yes i have to kill because that microbe is overgrown but then i have to reboost what i've lost to create the balance back into the the system and it's it's like life essentially yes you kill but now you gotta heal

right so you demolish a city you burn a city to the ground now you gotta rebuild it right so that's it well isn't that the perfect description what you're describing and with the microbiome and the bifido's role of natural immunity isn't that really natural immunity and how people were some people that did not take the injection simply had it like me for example by the way did you have covid yes i did um i did the first time with delta it was about four or five days i had fever for about three days and i had really strange pain in my legs which i never had before when i had the flu because all the other symptoms were like flu but this was different like the legs really really hurting um and uh i only took vitamins a lot of vitamin c d zinc

quercetin um and yeah and i was and a complex of vitamins that i had and i was fine after four or five days nice that's it yeah so we discovered actually after we discovered loss of bifidobacteria we discovered vitamin c increases the bifidobacteria so we published that data we also quit i took the liquid one yeah i mean the you know the vitamin c we discovered like increases your bifidobacteria of course you got to make sure patients some patients can't tolerate vitamin c because of kidneys etc but that's what we discovered and then we discovered um you know we started testing vitamin d ivermectin so all that data is coming out on the effects of bifidobacteria so maybe but before i go to the next one about hydro which is connected to what

you're saying i i have two questions for you about what you were saying before how can a person check how much bifido we have is that possible how can any how can i know so unfortunately it's all in research right now this is research we want to bring out this is something that so you can know through research you can join one of our clinical trials and we basically enter you you participate in the research you send us a stool you sign the consent and we tell you you know based on what we've seen so far with our results of our papers. The technology is not cheap. So those who want to pay for the technology can pay.

Those who don't want to pay, we put them on a wait list. And we raise funds. We have the microbiome research foundation.org is what raises funds for us. And also I've treated a lot of people over the pandemic. So a lot of people have donated to my research. So that's how we are able to do these stool samples. My goal is to eventually put that to the world. So the world can get tested and utilize our data, utilize our, you know, our normals, our clinical data and to facilitate, to empower the patients.

But we want to go through the doctors because we feel I feel that, you know, all this technology has essentially gone through, you know, to the consumer. And the consumer is not really, you know, equipped. Neither are the doctors, frankly, to understand all these microbes. So we don't want to confuse. The problem is when you start developing a test, right, on the microbiome. Yes, you're going to see loss of bifidobacteria. And that's your focus of looking at bifidobacteria, fast-food bacteria. That's an easy test.

We can tell you that. However, that test also gives you other microbes that we don't have any idea what they're doing. and so until we have a good understanding of the microbiome and it may take years uh it's very difficult to put out that data because that data you know will confuse people will will will i don't want to say the word freak out but will make them panic and that will create more anxiety which will kill your microbiome from the anxiety of knowing you've got some microbe that nobody can do anything with or about. And the complexity of the microbiome is also the fact that the microbiome changes at different areas of the gut. So I'm lucky because I'm a gastroenterologist, so I have

access to colonoscopies and I can kind of know, you know, how to interpret my results, right? Because, you know, I've seen what it does in different locations. Most people don't understand that when you do a stool test, the stool test is just a one second representation of what your microbes that you're getting rid of. It doesn't necessarily represent the microbes that you have your baseline, right? So you have to be very strategic when you do the data, when you do the recording of the data that you understand that phenomenal. So we're not there yet. I'm not ready to publish all of it i think the world you know what we've seen with um unfortunately with the microbiome and what we've seen with the research is there's a censorship going on and until that

censorship is lifted until doctors are allowed to be doctors until researchers are free to publish their data even if it contradicts the narrative um you know then why should i publish anything else right because look you've already pinned me as you know you know and nobody's really called me a quack but I'm just saying if somebody pins you as something why should I put out anything else because it's not gonna help me or help others it's not gonna bring up light it's only gonna help the person that's copying my data and my research to develop the next product himself so So, you know, to me, I feel that we need to have ethics in research and science. And we need to. And so if my work, you know, brings a light and that light is not continued, then we need to relook at why is this not continued?

Why is there why is there censorship on a paper? Why is a hypothesis on a journal like Frontiers being retracted? It's a hypothesis. You know, my hypothesis was ivermectin increases the bifidobacteria. Why was that retracted? You know, it's a hypothesis. Prove me wrong, right? Did we take the work of Einstein or other scientists and say, I'm sorry, we're retracting it?

No. Albert Einstein had a lot of people that were against him. In fact, there was a book that was written on him, 100 Scientists Against Einstein. And he said, it doesn't take a hundred scientists to prove me right. It takes one scientist to prove me wrong. That's it. So if I'm being censored, maybe there's some truth to this. Maybe there's some secret that's being sheltered.

But here's the problem with hiding secrets is that it doesn't help the next scientist because science starts with a hypothesis that a scientist proves or disproves. And then that scientist discovers something else that was missed in the first, you know, research experiment. So we cannot build on top of each other. A hundred percent. It's a blockchain. It truly is the essence of blockchain. It's you start with the first brick, you add another brick, another brick.

That's how you build that building or that house. but if you destroy that first break and that second break goodbye your foundation doesn't exist you'll never build that building yeah if we want answers in research if we want to understand life we cannot interfere with research yes i and i i joke with people i say i could be full of it or i could know it but ultimately let's talk about it yeah why send to me so thank you for giving me a situation wow my pleasure everyone needs to hear you and it's crazy that that you're being censored so when you're saying you're going to be publishing your golden stories where are you going to do it if there is so we you know the doctors that are righteous are you

know recreating a new system because clearly the one that we have right now is not working so we have to reinvent the wheel we have to recreate our own irbs that are not paid by venture capitalists that are independent that are non-profit that are irbs uh regulatory boards independent review boards so remember they're they're supposed to be independent but now they're the majority of them are bought by venture capitalists so they're no longer really independent right so there's a money that's sustaining them so when the money sustains you the money dictates what you're doing yeah so same thing with the journals so the journals are paid by you know big businesses that are supporting the ads supporting the the stage the presence

the publication the reach so unfortunately when your money depends on your publication or your next journal you know how can you be unbiased you know so it's you're setting up new boards or new magazines new journals new irb um yeah that's what we're trying to do amazing where and and more of an open you know kind of like a you know a level of for doctors to kind of feel free to just be in there and publish and not have to worry about you know being censored and and letting the public decide letting the doctors that are redoing the you know be the judges right so ultimately if something is helping someone your judges are the people that it's helping right I've saved thousands of people from COVID nobody came out and said oh my god Dr. Hazen gave me

a dangerous drug that killed me you know everybody was very thankful for the treatment and the fact that they're alive and they survived covid those are our judges right the judges are the people we help so you know and you know ultimately you have to be able to distinguish you know we live in a world unfortunately where everything is businesses and there's trolls on every different levels to try to you know destroy so you have to kind of like make your own decision yourself go with your gut trust your gut instinct see what's true from what's not true and i encourage everyone to listen to both sides let's not let our division or our hatred for other humans guide what we don't listen because that's going to impact us in the end you know i really feel that you know hate stops us

division stops us from seeing the truth. We need to look at the truth and see it and judge it with both sides, listening to both sides. That's it. You can't just take one side, one party, because you're biased for that party. The world is too divided right now. You know, we're divided with men and women. We're divided with black and white. We're divided with religions. We're divided with political agenda. And now we're divided with who's a vaxxer and who's a non-vaxxer, who's a pro-Ivermectin, who's a non-Ivermectin, who's pro-hydroxy, who's non-hydroxy. I mean, all this is great for marketing and creating fear and keep on selling stuff, but it doesn't really help us. No. And that leads me perfectly to a question

I wanted to ask you about the connection between this divide and your philosophy of healing. Well, my philosophy of healing is, is essentially we, we have a disease because like I said before, it's not about the one microbe that's overpopulating your gut, but it's about the lost microbes that you're missing. So my theory is that, you know, or my hypothesis is that you basically attract what you're missing so if you're you think of like a person that has a clean head and a person that has lice right it's going to gravitate towards the clean head because it's saying wow you know free reign right so microbes will always go to an area that they can that they see that there's space to move in right so vice versa if you're missing microbes you're going to

gravitate, you're going to be attracted to a person that has them. So are we, you know, are we divided so much that really it's an imbalance of the microbiome that really, you know, and I have to encourage people not to have enemies because maybe your enemy might be your savior. Maybe your enemy is what's going to show you the light. How many times in research and in medicine have I been conflicted with someone that was so the opposite of me you know I'm a huge spiritual person you know I follow one path but there have that I have treated people that are completely the opposite of me right what would have you know what if my hatred towards that person ruled I would have never save that person. I have to find in me every day, the ability to remain in balance,

to treat someone that is the opposite of me. We all need to find that balance. We all need to reach out. And it's a bigger success. It's a bigger, you feel so much better when you conquer your hatred and you help someone that you hated because then you're you feel good about it you go you know what I've conquered my hatred and wow amazing right you know and that goes for everything you know like you can hate someone you know like you you know and I'm gonna joke in this but I can hate my mother-in-law right but then when you stop and you go you know I'm not gonna hate my mother-in-law. She loves her son. I respect her because in a way she's kind of like me, right? My son, my husband came from her. I know there's a competition there for affection from

her son. So instead I'm going to love my mother-in-law because I love my husband. And that creates peace in the house. And you become a better person when you look into yourself and say, i'm not gonna hate i'm gonna heal i'm gonna heal myself to to embrace yes it's gonna kind of drive you nuts but you take it on yourself and you go i'm gonna find the truth and let me tell you you know there's people in my life that i've come you know that hated women and i worked with them and then i came to realize they didn't hate women it was just a perception so we all have these perceptions of someone that hates us because we're a woman or we're because we're certain or a certain race but come to find out they weren't you know they weren't who we thought

they they were they were just angry at the moment and our own perception made us read something else and our and the whole world that's so divided brought that hatred so that's that's my it's It's very easy to spark hatred. And I love what you're saying with your philosophy about the microbiome, trying to attract or find the complement microbiome in someone else. It almost reminds me like spiritually, the notion of we're all one, right? If we're all one, if we have a collective consciousness, we also have a collective health, maybe with with complementing each other. I think that's beautiful. And I think I think it gets us to do things that eventually we regret. Right. You think of like, you know, the atomic bomb and you look at the movie of Oppenheimer and you go, wow, this guy has a huge, he's, you know, probably eternity in remorse of the lives that he's killed, right?

So, so to me, it's not, we, we should stop escalating the, the hatred and just stop and say, you know, we got to like, go back and say, let's heal the microbiome. Let's heal humanity. Because let me tell you, we're so far from the garden of Eden, the garden of Eden was this beautiful, you know, microbiome garden. And, you know, it was, it is told that Adam and Eve lived till 930. And if that's the truth, we've killed the planet, we've killed the microbiome, every action leads to a reaction. You know, you damage one population, you damage the whole planet. So we really have to think twice about every action we do in the world, because the repercussions of those actions continue on to the world. and again the atomic bomb you know it wasn't just in that sector it it went throughout the planet

you know the radiation you know affected the whole planet the core of the planet the microbiome of the planet we've got to stop the destruction because we're going towards an extinct planet pretty soon so yeah well the wars are definitely a good business for someone but at the same time ruining humanity and ruining earth 100 so one last question about the first thing you're talking about you were saying that testing for covid through the stool was something that was very effective and you were able to detect the virus with very high probability. And so what is your take about the PCR tests, which have been proven again and again to have false positives and not be reliable? So what I think people need to understand is what is a PCR test, right? A PCR

test is just a portion of the virus. It doesn't tell you if that virus is alive or dead. it's a piece of the virus of the body it's a piece of the spike protein that basically is amplified and that says oh this piece is common to covid and therefore that person has covid it's not specific it's not sensitive and more importantly you should not base the treatment on that you really we should have focused the treatment on symptoms and and whole genome but whole genome sequencing is very expensive yeah so and we need to bring down that technology to make it much cheaper you know and that's something you know i'm sure the companies that are selling the reagents are looking into to develop better reagents to do whole genome sequencing at a

fraction of a cost because ultimately whole genome sequencing is the key but also the symptoms right and the other thing is training the doctors we didn't have any guidelines in this pandemic of, you know, what is, we were all pushing vaccines. We were all pushing treatment. We did not push the diagnostics. So what does Delta look like? Delta looks like loss of smell, digestive problems, you know, respiratory problems. You need to unify, right? What does this strain look like right now? Sore throat, mild congestion, mild cough, no respiratory distress, no desaturation that's different i'm not going to treat that person with those symptoms the same that i'm going to treat delta who had oxygen desaturation when your oxygen end out should

have been the first marker of to the physicians to say pay attention to the oxygen saturation if the oxygen saturation is starting to go down you got to hit it with everything you've got you've got to hit it with hydroxy, Z-Pak, vitamin C, D, zinc, ivermectin, PAK, you know, Paxlovid, monopurivir, remdesivir, whatever you've got in your cabinet, even though some of these drugs, you know, have side effects, the patient is dying. Your first step is save the life. So if you're in a hospital and they give remdesivir, well, unfortunately you're stuck because that hospital has remdesivir they're not going to give you vitamins right then you should have thought twice about going to that hospital yeah right so if the hospital is pushing you know paxlovid then you

know you're you're again have to go with that pattern so but treatment early treatment was number one if the patient is desaturating if the patient is not desaturating mild congestion you know sore throat what you did for you knowing your body for delta was the right thing because you knew you survived other flus in the past you survived influenza and you were fine you just took a bunch of vitamins you were fine because you know your body the person that knows their body like that and I'm the same like you I'm not a pill pusher you know I know what my body likes I know what works for me I've survived on this planet for x amount of years and I've survived you know MERS and I've survived influenza and I've survived all that so what made me think you know and my

grandmother and my mother and my great-grandmother survived the worst thing you know my great my grandmother survived the my great-grandmother survived the bubonic plague so you know I tend to think the microbiome is passed on from generations to generations but I think we know what our body is capable of now you're healthy you're doing everything right you're trying to eat well you're trying to you know take on some vitamin d etc the person the person that had a problem this pandemic was the person that was not doing it right the person that was eating the dozen donuts every day the french fries from mcdonald's and if you saw the narrative of the vaccine it was get a free donut and get your vaccine get french fries and get your vaccine

they were guiding the health care towards that population saving helping that population So, you know, to me, you know, when I look at the whole pandemic and how we, you know, took care of this, we went for a test that was suboptimal, you know, with PCR. We didn't even look at the history of the patients. We didn't even have guidelines to say, this is how you treat a young person versus an old person. You know, all that is something that I'm trying to write because that from my experience of having treated thousands of patients and losing no one, I've developed my own set of guidelines

that, hey, if I have a young person and I believe in my mind, so you asked me before, how do you know the bifidobacteria level, right? If you're the person that survived COVID and you had mild symptoms, most likely you have high bifidobacteria, right? I mean, until you do an expensive test, but if you want to save yourself some money, look at what you've done. If you're healthy, you're exercising you're doing good you don't use drug you don't drink out too much alcohol one glass of wine improves the bifido you know more than that may not so if you do all that you know a certain way and you survived so far then keep doing what you're doing and don't worry about the bifido bacteria don't worry about covid but this is the problem what we've done in this

pandemic is we've pushed everyone to be the same we said well you know what you who did everything right is the same as the person who's 300 pounds eating donuts and french fries and therefore we're going to vaccinate both of you and we're going to get rid of the pandemic but we what we realized is actually we didn't really stop the virus in that person because they got a virus after three to four shots and i think people realize that themselves you know when we started vaccinating in the beginning with polio well we didn't really think we didn't we don't see polio anymore right we eradicated it right so why are we still vaccinated we're on like seven shots now and and probably for those people and i'm again i'm not an anti-vaxxer i'm not anti-vaccines or

pro-vaccine or whatever i'm just saying that we need to stratify the population better to say maybe for those people that are surviving there are 300 pounds that did it the wrong way maybe that's a good solution for them right because they're still standing and that's the reason that we're so divided because we are you know oh my god the vaccines are bad or oh my god the vaccines are good but what about the middle point the midline that says maybe the vaccine is good for some people maybe the vaccine is good and maybe no vaccination is good for other people that middle point where we're in balance and we say freedom of choice you feel better getting vaccinated it allows you to go to work it allows you to go to to feel comfortable that you have

this band-aid that this you've got this shot go for it keep doing it it's your life your choice you know the risk we told you the risk you saw both sides of the risk right hiding the side effects hiding the risk to in my opinion is a mistake educate the patient to take and to make an informed consent so in other words what is the risk of the person that's 300 pounds having the virus versus the risk of the vaccine right what is the risk of the vaccine to a person that is healthy that survived covid that got covid that's immune what is that risk way the risk and benefit that's what it's all about medicine is all about that i wish they would of uh disclosed the side effects and really created uh informed consent but they didn't

and they're not doing it now either not with the covid vaccine so i don't think you know putting that label of safe and effective on it as is possible right now which which they're trying to do again right you saw the pregnancy well they say safe and effective for the majority right that's that's their their narrative is we vaccinated millions and everybody's fine but are they really fine because every time i get one of my lectures and i talk about you know the vaccines effect of bifidobacteria people come to me and they're like no wonder i've had digestive problems no wonder i've had neurological problems no wonder so are people really fine yeah you know we're gonna find out we know they're not by looking at you know the the

reporting of VAERS and yellow card and many others and following work that people like Edward Dowd are doing from insurance companies etc we know that people are not okay with disability levels are on the rise etc but the hiding of it yeah have you seen the pregnancy data yes so the the study was supposed to go four thousand so I've been in the clinical trial business for almost 30 years okay and I have never seen in my entire career and I've done over 300 trials and I talked to my sister who's done also over 300 trials and I said have you ever seen a drug come out as safe and effective that was supposed to be for 4,000 pregnant women and went down to basically they tested 174 in one group and 174 in the other group. And out of the 174

in the vaccine group, a lot of loss to follow up. I've never seen a drug being deemed effective and safe in pregnancy with that little data, 174 vaccinated patients versus 174 that didn't get the vaccine and majority of patients were lost to follow-up that is the worst study and the worst research ever and the fact that we vaccinated you know pregnant women to me that's so bad and and and what happens when you vaccinate the mom you breath the mom is breastfeeding the baby and the messenger rna is still in the breast milk and now you're vaccinating the baby at nine months or a year with the same thing i mean aren't you triple dosing yes that's dangerous in my opinion and that's very dangerous look at the dosages the dosages were not weight divided so is a 300 pound

person getting a lesser dosage than 120 and is that the dosage for that person versus the 120 may have been too much so there was no there's no weight weight uh dose you know measurements which is crazy to me and is the is mrna or spike protein affecting the bifido we saw it we saw it in 34 patients 39 patients actually um we published it we at the american College we presented it last year um it got a lot of controversy and basically but it did win you know a research award um so it got the attention of the GI community you know I think unfortunately there's so much pressure with everybody with everything the journals the academic centers getting their money from you know pharmaceutical companies that it's very difficult

to put, I'll always remember a pharmaceutical company, a representative of a pharmaceutical company coming to my poster when I presented it at the American College of Gastro and saying, well, you know, this kind of data is going to create vaccine hesitancy. And I looked at him and I said, you want me to not publish my data because it's creating vaccine hesitancy because it's affecting the price of a stock? No, research and science is all about being the negative, the opposite, right? My job as a scientist is if someone tells me to look at the right side, I'm going to go look at the left because that's science. Science is contradicting the narrative. Science is about look at all the options to discover the truth.

wow so if i do want to consume more bifido how can i do it through food through products something that is reliable how do i know that's the problem a lot of the products out there are not reliable we have a paper coming out uh that showed that out of 29 product 26 products only three of them had bifidobacteria in them people ask me all the time what are they because they want to buy it right i don't say it for two reasons it's not my job to regulate i'm not the fda i'm not the national institute of standard i'm sabine hazen i don't need to kill businesses because they did poor quality but i can say look you guys i'm watching i'm paying attention other people are going to be watching and paying attention start doing the right for humanity and

if your label says bifidobacteria make sure there's bifidobacteria in there because if it's not then you're basically you know um mislabeling which is basically you know consumer fraud misleading consumer so that's the reason i i wrote that paper and i didn't really talk about the products i also didn't want to talk about the products to protect the products frankly you know competitors that are not doing the right thing may want to you know destroy that company with poor marketing or whatever so i don't necessarily want to support products i just want to put them on stand to say hey the consumer is going to be watching people are going to do the research like i did i'm not the only one others are going to mimic my research so i think

that's the main reason so you can't really trust obviously if something affects you you're drinking something and it affects you then you know stay away from it because you were fine before and then you're drinking it and now you're not fine if you're doing fine and you're healthy stick to what you're doing that's the best advice i can give anybody don't change anything because you've survived covid whatever you did whether it was a certain brand of vitamin whether it was a certain brand of yogurt whatever you did you survived covid keep doing it okay um decrease the stress turn off the news you know calm your life decrease the anxiety you don't need to fight with your husband or your wife or your your kids decrease the anxiety meditate a lot breathe explore the

planet go outside into the forest don't be afraid of the trees don't be afraid of the forest don't be afraid of the mosquitoes and the bees you know you're part of the world and it's okay to just walk in nature and breathe in that that air full of microbes and good microbes you know work in your garden plant plant something um you know good honey from local companies vitamin c vitamin d good quality products that you trust not something that's made in a factory where you know basically they don't believe in toilet paper so you know i think at the end of the day you've got to be more conscientious as a consumer of everything fine ask the farmer are you vaccinating your cows are you giving antibiotics are you giving hormones you know maybe that beef is not good for you

maybe that's why you've gone vegan and you're better right so educate yourself read my book let's talk sh.t um you know that says a lot in there there's a lot of recipes i have another a book called Regenesis. It's on our website, progenobiome.com. So that's basically what I would say to people. Make sure your vitamin D level is above a certain level. Get followed by your doctor. Check your cough. Check your zinc. Go outside. Decrease stress. Fermented foods, sauerkraut, you know, all that is really good. Oh, really? Fermented foods are good? Yeah, I'm not a fan of yes, sauerkraut is really good. I'm not a fan of green lettuce or lettuce in general, because I don't necessarily trust the process. I don't trust that they didn't put pesticide. Remember, pesticides have this big poison on the back of it. That's a skeleton. And now you're spraying it on your lettuce to avoid the bugs. but it's poison on your lettuce right so now you're washing the lettuce are you really washing

it perfectly so because of that i'm not really a fan of anything that's like above the ground i know some people love that or fiber uh but if it was above the ground and it was free of pesticides and pure and you know purely done uh and i trust my farmer yes i will be inclined to eat it but otherwise no I'm not a fan of that I'm a fan of a lot of vegetables that are under the ground you know your potatoes your you know things that are above the ground also your coconuts your your um you know your avocados um you know I'm a fan of things that have skins hard skins but a nut squash pineapple you know all that um I'm a fan of so and pineapple you know green onions have a lot of quercetin so I like my quercetin from my foods not necessarily from a

pill because I'm not sure of the quality of that pill so I went I went above and beyond this pandemic in the sense that I even created my own vitamins for me and my family and my patients because I felt that you know that's gonna at least I know these vitamins I test them on me I test them on the microbiome and you know I know there's no arsenic I know there's no you know, the capsule is vegetable. I know the, I know the factory, I visited the factory, you know, I'm working with a few probiotic companies also, nothing, no one that I can talk about right now, but because I saw the, the, the facilities, I went and visited the facilities. I saw the cleanliness. I tested the products in my lab. And you know, when an owner of a

probiotic company gives you a product and says, look, put it through your machine and see that we have the right probiotics in there and actually I find the right probiotics, then that's gold to me. So, but that's the first step. The second step is making sure that the probiotic actually works on the gut, that it implants, that it implants for everyone, that it's alive, that it's not dead, that the stomach acidity doesn't kill it. So there's a lot of factors that come to play in healing and in health. And, you know, unfortunately you have to be a detective and you have to play to figure it out with the patients. If you, and I give this example to my patients, I say, you have a fire in your gut. I'm giving you water to turn off the fire, but you're putting

gasoline on the other hand, you're never going to turn off the fire. So I have to be very, you know, it's, it's really a relationship between the patient and me to tell me what they're doing. if they're hiding from me the fact that they're taking alcohol that they're drinking alcohol what's not going to really help me heal them right they're going to say well doc i followed your protocol and i took everything but it's not working i'm still bad and then i have to go back are you sure you're not drinking are you sure you're not taking drugs and then they come out and say okay i have a confession to make i'm drinking five glasses a day so it would be much easier for the doctor to know the truth that's why the patient doctor relationship is so important

and that relationship really is what helps healing it's not a simple you know people text me all the time what do i do about my gut it's a loaded question i can't answer that i gotta know who you are i gotta take a history i don't get to know you and that's how i can help you when you develop that relationship and sometimes the relationship just doesn't work you know people have these blockers like they're not going to listen so I always tell all my patients I say go see 10,000 doctors when you've seen everyone come back to me and then I'm your I'm the buck stops here okay but go see everyone first go do everything because who has time you know nobody has time to deal with you know people that are just like one way yeah I learned that from a very

good doctor who uh did in vitro on me and he wrote the book on in vitro uh to get birth to my child and he basically um he he taught me that how to be like if you see something and you know something is working you got to stick to your gun on that and if patients don't follow then you cannot do anything to change their minds on that so you know i was that that you know doctor that was challenging him and he said this is the way you do your way or you do my way my way might get you pregnant your way i don't know so i listen i go you know what confident i'm going to listen to this guy and sure enough you get he you know i was pregnant you know so at some point if you see a doctor that's like seeing something and doing something maybe trust them you know that

that's so important what you're saying because i feel like for the past three years you know all the horrors that happened on so many fronts have really shook our trust in in the doctor patient relationship and it's so hard to trust doctors again and we need to remember that they are also human and they are good doctors and bad doctors yes and you know test it and trust yourself that you know to to go to the right doctor i mean if it's not the right doctor for you you will leave but at least try it again you know um i think we've we've put doctors we've we've given too much we we've given too much um what's the term we expect too much from our doctors too much you know like a doctor should be autism when there's no cure for autism

a doctor should be fixing what do you mean all my doctor you know and then the criticisms of those doctors well what you know for example my research it's research it's the beginning doctors are just seeing it right so to go out there and criticize doctors who don't know this research listen they're busy they're not going to see that research so you have to be understanding of their situation you have to work with them you have to support them you have to you can't we've again we've divided the doctors by making the doctors fearful all these lawsuits you know you go after a doctor and you sue your doctor well it's great you're getting paid for a lawsuit but then at the same time you just stopped that doctor from innovating and then you stopped other doctors

around him that were that saw what happened to that doctor from saying okay you know what i'm not going to do this think about what happened with ivermectin so many doctors were at risk of losing their license you know in california you know if you were against the narrative you could lose your license there was a bill that just on that the misinformation you know so to me it's sort of look at the end of the day um if you block your doctor if you don't support them they can't do anything yeah the public needs to support when that bill passed the public should have said absolutely not don't don't alienate your physicians your physicians are the people that are going to be taking care of you in the hospital, they're overworked. They're overwhelmed.

Think about it. They risked their lives on the front line, you know, because nobody told them, you know, so many doctors quit. I know an ER doctor that quit because he's like, I'm done. I'm not risking my life for COVID, right? Imagine if all the doctors had quit, right? So they risked lives. They risked themselves taking the shot first. We got to bring them back. We got to bring them back to educate them, to see the new research, to see the new technology. You know, that's my goal. That's why I think like it's more important to me with this technology rather than making it a consumer product to make it available to physicians so that physicians can help their patients because there's so many ways to heal you know and I've seen that I saw that in Malibu where

you have it's not only to the physician that heals it could be a chiropractor it could be an acupuncturist it could be someone the important thing is healing right and achieving improvement so that we have a better humanity that's less in pain and less chronic disease and less burning of the of the the money on the health care system i gotta ask you about your research uh on autism can you tell me what you found there so what we're discovering is that not all autism is the same uh i really believe autism is is a three-part component there could be more but i think it's either neurological primary could be a brain gut pathway problem or it could be a gut primary or it could be all three or it could be none of the above so I think you know that's how I look

at autism I really don't want to put myself in a rabbit hole to say oh my god it's all gut all disease and I've said that I mean I say all disease begins in the gut because we have to look at the gut right um and we cannot just isolate the brain without the gut because they're kind of connected right so to me it's um autism you know we've seen fecal transplant working uh with Dr. Adams study, where he showed improvement of neurological symptoms in 50% of patients post fecal transplant. Of course, he used a donor that was, you know, a proper donor for all these kids. My protocol is a bit different. My protocol is more familial fecal transplant. In other words, I take the stools from a sibling that is neurotypical. We have the

technology now where we can look at the species of all these microbes and we could say, you know what? I think this kid is neurotypical. Well, she is neurotypical. I see her, she's thriving in school and her microbiome looks amazing. She's got good diversity. She doesn't have an overgrowth of a certain microbe. And then we look at the child that has autism and try to find. So what I do is I look at the family as a as a group and I try to isolate the microbe that the kid with autism has too much of and then I try to isolate what he's missing and then if I find it in one of the siblings then that sibling is the perfect donor for me because when you do fecal transplant you're not only transplanting microbes but you're also transplanting DNA right I mean like you know poop

is not only just poop it's got red blood cells got white blood cells in it yes you could extract all that and just leave the microbiota alone um but for the most part you know fecal transplant for those of us who have done it for a long time you know it's it's really you know the natural poop um so so what i'm saying is that when you do transplant and you see a neurotypical sibling and you put the stools in the kid with autism and you notice that the kid with autism is improving and then you see his microbiome is improving that's what we saw in that one case that we submitted to the FDA so basically and it was a 19 year old who was not speaking non-verbal started saying mama and baba after first month he progressed I believe we still need to do you know

he's not a hundred percent there yet time will tell but I believe he probably needs more fecal transplant problem is it took us three years to get approved fecal transplant for this kid with the protocol that i wrote um you know and it cost three hundred and eight thousand dollars just of regulatory documents for this one kid so it's not cheap to put through the fda um so that's that's the problem we need to start seeing that i'm hoping dr adams because he's kind of under the umbrella of an academic center is going to push more data so that we can get, you know, moving with our 30 kids. Of course, it doesn't help that the FDA has these revolving doors and, you know, people that are in charge of moving a protocol forward are now moving on and working

for pharmaceutical companies. That doesn't really help us because they have, they're biased and they don't want to see this protocol moving. We've tried for four years now to advance 30 kids to have the same protocol as the number one kid that I did. You know, that kid went to prom, you know, with a girl in May. So this is an incredible case. The parents are very happy. You know, he's calm. They've been able to go on vacation.

They have quality of life again. They're able to sleep at night. What happened was one of the parents was always staying up at night because they were afraid something would happen to the kid. He would start wandering in the middle of the night. so one parent was always there and essentially now they're both sleeping the kid's sleeping at night uh he's not as he's not aggressive um you know so this is an important case it's an n of one that we want to see as an n of 30 so you know it's it's very costly to put these protocols so

again microbiome research foundation.org please support us because this is how we get the money to advance these protocols to the next level it's extremely difficult to do these cases there's a lot of factors involved you know because it's not just the microbiome in some it's also the brain so we got to fix the brain at the same time um you know and so there's a there could be you know in the future it could be multi the treatment of autism might be multifaceted it might be you know medications it might be fecal transplant it might be neurological treatment but i think we need to kind of understand it better so my my job is to kind of look at these analysis of the microbiome and look at the cat scans of these kids look at the neurological exams look at everything

in that kid the blood work you know there do they have jcv cmv ebv you know what viruses are living in them as well you know because it's not just about the bacteria it could be viruses so to really um taking these kids and looking in depth at the clinical to say what is make what is creating autism what is how can i improve these kids first attain a cure and then you go back like in that kid we attained a cure in the or attaining a cure or improvement and we could go back into the microbiome and we saw a bacteria called lactobacillus animalis that was possibly the culprit because his sister didn't have it his family didn't have it he had a ton of it he had a ton of proteobacteria and then that kind of disappeared um you know post-fecal transplant so he was

improving but his microbiome also improved so the microbiome tells us the story in a way but that's an expensive path to take because you're supposed to do stool testing genetic stools testing once a month. You have the fecal transplant. You've got all that. None of that is sponsored by NIH because this is precision medicine. This is what we need to reach, right? Precision medicine. Understanding the N01s so we can perfect the protocol to say, okay, this is the population that we sponsor. You know, so many people you hear, oh, probiotics helps autism. Well, maybe there's a population where probiotics are helping autism. Maybe there's a population, you know, some people have said ivermectin well maybe there's a population where ivermectin helps why what's going on there you

know so i encourage anybody that's autistic first of all if they're going to try a protocol and they see success please contact us to get us to test your kid at baseline and then let us see the stools after they've improved so we can see what changed in the microbiome that allowed that kid that's the only way we're gonna achieve you know improvement in figuring out autism and working together i don't have all the answers but i'm willing to step into this field to say look i'm taking it on i'll take the beat the beatings i'll take the you know the trolls i'll take all that i want to help these kids i'm taking it on please support me don't kill me you know what i I mean, if the future is one in 10 kids is having autism, we all need to be part of this.

I don't have a kid with autism and I stepped into it because I may have a grandchild with autism and then I'm going to always go. I could have, should have, would have helped, but I didn't. Why? Because I was too cheap to spend the money. Why? Because I was too obsessed about a certain protocol. Oh, you got to be humble.

And you got to do things for the right reasons to help these kids. These kids have no, you know, they're banging the, I'm not talking about the kids that are high achievers, you know, on the spectrum that are super geniuses. And I tell, and I have these discussions with the parents all the time because I have these genius kids that come into my office and the parents want fecal transplant. I'm like, your kid is the next Beethoven. Why would I want to mess that up? Right?

So I'm not talking about those kids. i'm talking about the kids that are tortured banging their head on the wall can't speak have pain in their belly but cannot talk about it and to everybody else they look like they're abnormal but they're suffering those are the kids i'm talking about that kid that came to me i spent the money out of my savings because this kid was banging his head and breaking his teeth he was in pain you know and now he comes to my office and he looks at me in the eyes before he couldn't even stare at me he was like all over the place jumping all over the place I couldn't even keep him in the office now he's looking at me in my eyes and he has a smile and he's

vocalizing some words and when I say to him I say so shit helped you as a you know as a fun day he's shy he's you see the you see the expression that basically you know you're not supposed to say this word Dr. Hazen you know what I mean so he's coming out I see him coming out his parents are seeing him coming out it's beautiful you know that's beautiful that's amazing oh yeah and it's amazing that you're doing what you're doing because it is alarming the rate of autism that we're seeing that needs to be researched but obviously we also need to research the connection between vaccines and autism even further here's one thing okay because i'm not one to say vaccines cause autism by no means i'm not gonna say that because i didn't do the research on all these

vaccines i only looked at covid19 in a small subset of patients that it affected their bifidobacteria i'm continuing to follow some people are re-improving their bifidobacteria so post-vaccination so maybe it's temporary from some maybe it's you know we're looking we're continuing our research on that so i'm not one to neg the vaccines again and kill them but i am saying we need to be deterministic but to say we need research we need research and we need to be humble to say maybe, maybe, right? Because I'm telling you, I've interviewed 300 moms with kids with autism, 300 plus moms with kids with autism. And inevitably, the majority, like 90%, 95% of them have said something to me about the vaccine. Now, these women do not talk to each

other right they they like the the question is you know have you has your kid been having all these vaccines and I go through all of them right and then the majority and I'm not going to say 90 because I don't know I haven't analyzed completely but you know I know that some patients will say some families will say the moms will say look I gave my kid the MMR and then right after the MMR he stopped talking. We've got to pay attention to that history of the mom, right? Medicine starts with a history. These moms are not crazy. They're not trying to blame the vaccine injury. They're not going after the vaccine companies. They just want to know why they noticed something. It's up to us. And here's the, again, the rebuttal of the narrative is, well, why did all those other kids

not have autism right again just because the majority does not have autism does not make it that we have to close our eyes to the minority that is having a problem maybe that minority has a microbe that doesn't tolerate maybe we need to understand the microbe so we could say stratify better the vaccines and say you know what in that population the risk is too high we should not because the kid's going to stop talking but there's one thing you have to acknowledge and i agree with rfk on this point we're doing too much we've gone i i had like seven vaccines as a child yeah you know we're up to 70 and now with these covid vaccines you know one every three months one every four months i mean come on are we supposed to be born with a vaccine i mean is

that the purpose give me a child give him a vaccine and give him a probiotic it's not gonna work guys it's not gonna work i know it's beautiful as a business model you know every kid that's born gets a vaccine and a probiotic amazing we're making money on the probiotics we're making money on the vaccines but it doesn't work we've yet to reproduce blood what makes us think we're gonna to reproduce the immunity of a human being when we don't even know what human, we're just starting to tap into the microbiome space. We're just starting to look at it. So up to now, immunity was just at the cellular level. Now we're able to see these microbes. We're able to see the interaction of these microbes. We're able to see what happens when one microbe is high and one

microbe is low and that balance right that's immunity immunity is in your gut it starts with your microbiome and i'm gonna right humility humility is so important you know nobody knows it all if there's one human on this planet that has figured out how to live forever i'm gonna figure i'm gonna follow that guy but right now everybody dies we need to be humble to realize that if we want to live longer, we need to understand science and we cannot interfere with science and we cannot censor papers or hypothesis of people. Right. Amazing.

On that note, I want to ask you to just say a few words of hope for those people watching us, listening to us. You know, they're sparking up again another pandemic or another crisis. You know, it's always coming. So what would be your words of hope for the people listening to us? I think, you know, turn off the news, breathe, go for a walk, you know, search, have faith over fear. You know, the one thing I learned about the microbiome is how perfect all these microbes

are together, how different we all are in our fingerprints and in our microbiome. And therefore, there is a divine power. And we must acknowledge that. We are just humble humans on this planet trying to seek to live a little bit longer, and we should be here to understand life. What a beautiful opportunity to take COVID to unite us and to understand life and to understand the microbiome. That's my hope, my light. I'm here to hold the light. I'm here to fight for humanity.

i'm here to save the biff because the biff is in the babies and the kids so if we lose the bifidobacteria we lose the microbiome we lose humanity this is a very serious topic for me this is why i stood up this is why i'm talking this is why i did my research this is why i spent my money at the end i'm not taking it in my grave i'm here to be an example to the world of what it is to do something selflessly to help another human being I put out my protocols to the world I did not monetize on them because I wanted to save humanity and save the world and my research is there for humanity it's not there you know for profit or anything we're here obviously we'd like to have some you know something to bring us fun so we can continue doing our research but ultimately

it's all going into research. I want to understand life. I want to understand the microbiome like everybody else. I want to live longer like everybody else. I want to make sure my kids are healthy like everybody else. We cannot interfere with research. We need to let research do what it's supposed to do, which is opening every can of worms. And I'm sorry if I'm controversial and i'm sorry if i'm you know uh microbiome disturber but the microbiome needs to be disturbed to save it we need to save and protect humanity we need to save and protect the microbiome of humanity and we need to save the biff and we need to let doctors be doctors and we need to support our doctors even if they don't have the answers that's it namaste no no apologies needed on my side just

a huge thank you your mission and your voice are super inspirational so thank you so much dr hazen for who you are i love this conversation thank you so much for taking the time thank you so much