You're The Voice | by Efrat Fenigson - From Debt Slave to Sovereign: The Complete Roadmap - John Burnett | Ep. 130

Episode Date: March 31, 2026

This conversation goes deep into the invisible architecture most people never see. John Burnett is an entrepreneur with experience across hospitality, real estate development, and technology. A freedom lover and lifelong student of the control system, John’s  "mosaic of truth" is piecing together how the financial system, the legal system, false history, and emerging technocracy all connect as layers of a single structure designed to extract human energy and suppress human potential. John also shares why Bitcoin held in genuine self-custody is humanity's most important tool for choking off the energy supply to the control machine, how his free digital privacy course is helping folks navigate the digital jungle, and why, despite it all, he believes we are the greatest most powerful creatures.→ Please like, comment, share & follow — to help me beat the suppressing algo's. Thank you!– SPONSORS –→ Access liquidity without selling your Bitcoin with Ledn — learn more at https://ledn.io/Efrat    → Get your TREZOR wallet & accessories, with a 5% discount, using my code at checkout (get my discount code from the episode - yep, you’ll have to watch it): https://affil.trezor.io/SHUn→ Have you tried mining bitcoin? Stack sats directly to your wallet while saving on taxes with Abundant Mines: https://AbundantMines.com/Efrat - Claim your free month of hosting via this link– AFFILIATES –→ Get 10% off on Augmented NAC to detox Spike protein, with the code YCXKQDK2 via this link: https://store.augmentednac.com/?via=efrat (Note, this is not medical advice, please consult your MD)→ Join me at Europe’s largest bitcoin conference - BTC Prague, June 11-13, 2026. Code EFRAT for 10% off: http://btcprg.me/EFRAT→ Be good to your eyes & health, and get the Daylight tablet - a healthier, more human-friendly computer, zero blue light & flicker. Use code EFRAT for $25 off: https://bit.ly/Efrat_daylight → Get a second citizenship and a plan B to relocate to another country with Expat Money, leave your details for a follow up: https://expatmoney.com/efrat→ Watch “New Totalitarian Order” conference with Prof. Mattias Desmet & Efrat - code EFRAT for 10% off: https://efenigson.gumroad.com/l/desmet_efrat→ Join me in any of these upcoming events: https://www.efrat.blog/p/upcoming-events– LINKS –John on X: https://x.com/truthinlogicBTCJohn on Nostr: https://tinyurl.com/4svum6zb Free Digital Privacy Course on X: https://x.com/DigitalPrivacyX Free Digital Privacy Course: https://digitalprivacysessions.io/ The recommended film - Thrive 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nq2MCxXn3vg Efrat’s X: https://twitter.com/efenigsonEfrat’s Channels: https://linktr.ee/efenigsonWatch on all platforms: https://linktr.ee/yourethevoiceSupport Efrat’s work: ⁠https://bit.ly/zap_efrat– CHAPTERS – 00:00  Coming Up...01:51   Introduction: John Burnett06:21   Waking Up: The Allegory of the Cave, Ontological Shock & the Black Pill14:51   Ad Break: Camp Nakamoto, Ledn & Trezor18:53   False History, Suppressed Technology & the Hidden Reset20:46   The Legal System as a Consent & Control Machine00:26:43   The Last Great Reset - in the Late 18th Century39:41   Ad Break: Abundant Mines & New Totalitarian Order44:10   Legal Cases Are Financial Investments Via CUSIPs & Securitization48:26   The Straw Man: Birth Certificates, Debt Bonds & Collateralized Humans51:03   Pillars of Sovereignty: What We Can Actually Do54:39   The Digital Fork in the Road: Technocracy vs. Freedom Tech01:00:10   John's Free Digital Privacy Course & Community01:10:51   Protecting Bitcoin from Co-option: Nodes, Implementations & Self-Custody01:22:47   John's Wake-Up & Life in Digital vs. Analog01:29:40   Spirituality, the Ever-Present Now & Grounding Practices01:32:05   Books & Resources John Recommends01:35:47   Special Treat For Awakened Souls - Avatar, Anunaki, Religions, Gods

we're born into this debt slavery system we're bonded slaves we have no real justice and we're consenting to be slaves without knowing it we have a birth certificate we are collateralized and we have a bond number the state opens up a trust in our name and that is what a lot of people refer to as the straw man that's not you fear is the killer they need us in fear of everything And so in my estimation, the biggest lie that there is, is that we are born into this physical experience sovereign. And as sovereigns, we can do what we want, right? Even consenting to be a slave. And the question is whether we know it. If we don't know it, do we educate ourselves and open our mind enough to understand how that works? And so the lawful legal paradigm is essential to

understand that it's not enough to understand the money. We're in the statutory land of commerce. Everything is financial and everything is contract. You're being shepherded from one losing game to the next and the house is always extracting energy. It is a full-blown war on us and we're still here. This one is for all the marvels. Either we're reset into another more sophisticated slavery system or we're not, what it becomes is an impenetrable barrier against siphoning off human energy over time. Bitcoin is so important and we got to work for it. It's not a done deal. Embrace the Bitcoin and we choke off the energy going into it and it's going to be chaotic. If we collectively decide to put our energy someplace else, then it's over.

Hello and welcome to another episode of You Are The Voice. I'm Frat from Bali this time. And you know how I love doing these things face to face. But this time I have to do it online because I don't want to miss this conversation with my very special guest, John Burnett. Hey, John, how are you? Hey, good to be here. yeah good to be with you even though it's uh across oceans you know we almost did it face to face in miami but we couldn't find the time but i can't wait to meet you in person yeah yeah

whenever you want and uh things happen for a reason so uh this is also great yeah i know i guess i guess like the timing needed to be now and and here and so i i completely trust the plan you know the higher plan so i'm not worried about that thank you for coming i'll start with a quick bio and we'll dive straight into the conversation so just for my audience that may not know you john is an entrepreneur with over two decades of experience across hospitality food and beverage real estate development and technology he has built and operated ventures across multiple countries including germany czech republic ireland costa rica oh my god you've done so much and throughout the United States and he's a freedom lover and I saw you for the first time

at Bitcoin Day Naples in the panel that you guys had this epic panel that I keep talking about with you and John Tarantino and and Chris Sullivan and Chris and I became really good friends after this panel just because I you know I I got all of you on my radar but you know now now i know all all three of you there was another guy that i don't remember his name but he was a little bit shocked i think i'm kind of not ready for you guys and everything you were bringing but it was epic and you guys did such a good job i encourage everyone to go listen to that panel i may put a link to it in the show notes but you were really trying to wake people up to you know you know bitcoiners just just wake up and see the bigger picture ahead of you and

where we're going because if you haven't started preparing yourself for what's coming you're kind of fucked so thank you i wasn't there i i watched it on youtube but i i really loved it yeah that that was a a really fun panel i remember uh talking with chris sullivan in line as we were going up and we're like okay should we really push it should we not and that's always the the question how far can you go before people switch off or before it's just too much to accept or to take and and we didn't go all the way i know you didn't but it's it's um but it was enough for ringing the alarm bell for those who are not aware i know exactly what you mean it's a a lot of you know yeah I contemplate on that a lot but at one point because I create so much

content you know on my podcast and when I stand on stages or videos or whatever I at one point I decided that with my podcast it's for those who have already woken up to what's happening around the world and now they want to go deeper so it's not for everyone and the normies will not understand on my podcast at all. And even though I made 120 episodes already and I would really love people to watch it, I know I'm narrowing my audience by talking in that way. And it's fine with me because I think that that audience needs also, you know, the love and care and attention. So yeah, you got to make a conscious decision because people are on different consciousness levels and you want to you know how they say meet them where they are but at one point you also have to

decide where you go like what resonates with you you can't just be there for for what people need if i if i'd be there just for what people need i'd spend all day trying to wake people up and i'm not interested in doing that you know because we understand i think you tell me what you think that people have their own choice and time with free will and their consciousness level what do you think yeah i mean it's i've thought about this probably more than anything else we are literally in the allegory of the cave scenario where when you start to see things in a certain light i kind of think about it like a mosaic of truth so i i don't have everything figured out i don't think maybe I ever will, but you start piecing it together and things just kind of sit

on this giant table. And then you start to see a picture and then certain things stop making sense and you can maybe discard those things and certain things reinforce the image. And a lot of things just sit there for a long time, but I try not to discredit anything off the gate. And this is what happens. We have a couple of things working against us waking up. One is that we have confirmation bias of what we already know. So if we were raised to believe a certain thing, then in order for us to believe something that's contrary to that, we subconsciously force somebody to prove what we think we know 100% false and prove the alternative 100% true. And so there's this imbalance in weighing information. And then we reach a point where it's just so

shocking to our vision of the world that we get ontological shock and we turn off. And if we can get past that, then we can see all kinds of things. And we're not in Kansas anymore, Toto. This is a much different world than I was raised to believe it was. And that's really exciting and it's scary at first but once you get past the scary then it's it's there's a lot of opportunity and beauty and amazing things that we can do if we get past that scary part i agree oh my god and getting past the scary part what sometimes people call the dark night of the soul right that could be a phase in itself that many people get stuck there i think and that's where that's when i say that you know they've taken the black pill and it's very hard for them to

then you know color look at life through the through another lens like the lens becomes so dark and and it's not that they're wrong there is a lot of darkness in the world i totally get that and you know everyone goes past that stage question is how much do you allow that stage to then control you or do you decide at one point to take agency and discover I think the next step after that is to really hone in on who you are and what your gift is and your signature and your skill set and what did you come here for what what is your gift to the world and then how can you give that gift to the world how can you then use your gift to make a difference and to serve humanity so if you if you are stuck in that a pessimistic worldview and you know you understand

the power structures and you know so funny that i just released the episode with simon dixon where yeah i saw that yeah i did you okay i love him to bits i really i feel him i i think he's amazing and i love the work he does there is something a little bit blackfilled in the information that he delivers i don't think he is blackfilled he's not you can see the light in him and the hope and everything but you know when you get when you consume a lot of simon and and many people do you can get black peeled and so it's so important to in the end of the day do the work on yourself and understand why you're here and what your gift is and how you're going to give it to the world because otherwise you just get dragged into it so i can see the comments coming up to my

episode with simon and many people go like oh my god i need a drink after this you know they get freaked out and i get it but you gotta you gotta remember always who you are and why you're here because that will center you back again and then you can continue on your mission so yeah it's important to know it's important to be aware but then keep going so yeah tell me what's your tag yeah and maybe part of why we're here is to find out who we are And we have this, this scenario where we're born into this physical experience. Basically, everything is a lie. And we need to discover, okay, what am I? Why am I here? And I think from where I've gotten to, there's, I think of myself as a soul in this physical experience, right? I try to strip away all the labels of American, you know, this label, that label and all that kind of stuff. We're pre-programmed to think a certain way.

And if we can think outside of that and we can start loosening up our thought process, then not only do we see the scary stuff, but we see how fragile the control system is. And we start to discover that, wow, we're super powerful. you know we we're meant to believe that we're these accidents that you know evolve from a big bang floating on some space rock you know pond scum comes together and boom there's consciousness just randomly but that's that's not in my estimation what's going on at all and there's this uh entire initiative the entire control structure is putting immense energy into making us feel small and putting us into fear we are incredible energetic beings like if you see what people are capable of it's insane insane it is yeah we can do anything that we put our mind to

and that we put our belief behind and our energy behind and uh and if we don't live in fear and fear is is the the killer they need us in fear of everything and so in my estimation the biggest lie that there is is that the physical creates the consciousness and and it's really everything is inverted so the consciousness creates the physical so we are co-creating this physical experience and the people that want to control us or the beings that want to control us or whatever is trying to control us wants to control us because we create this thing, right? If we collectively decide to put our energy someplace else, then it's over. And so there's an immense amount of energy put into keeping us in the dark and not allowing us to realize who we really are and the

paradigms we exist in. And just so we continue to build the world that they want. We live in depression and dystopian visions and all this kind of nonsense but we don't have to we simply don't have to and i think the the person that i uh one of the few people that i've come across that really think in this paradigm shift jeff booth is really amazing in that sense and you know the whole paradigm shift of where we're going is immense but it's even more immense i mean that's that's from the technological perspective but when we start realizing that you know there's free energy everywhere and that the abundance not only from technology through deflation that's very very true but followed by abundant energy everywhere

we have the potential to cut fear and to realize if we cut the fear and the ontological shock which go hand in hand then the abundance which is our normal state is mind-blowing we're not meant to be in a cubicle and work you know these little tasks we're meant to create and we're meant to create in abundance and it was that way before but then we get into manipulated history and the fact that we're in the dark and a lot of these things okay let's go there which before when is them before you want to meet like-minded people who appreciate freedom and self-sovereignty but in a different setting you may want to join me at camp nakamoto this june 18 to 21st you'll find me chilling hanging out and debating with friends at this unusual event it's a family

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building up the foundational critical thinking needed to question one's history if we think about it we've been born into a control structure uh we can talk about that and we've been educated by this control structure and the history which we rely on is largely false. I would say maybe 95% or more, but it's really hard to wrap your head around false history because then you have nothing to rely on. And it's always, we go back to the history, we go back to the history, et cetera, et cetera. And so there's, I would argue that we were more technological in the past than we are today we have evidence all around us if we look of structures and architecture which was beautiful and geometrically perfect and harnessed energy from the ether which was the

fifth element which was on the periodic table until they erased it i think the early 1900s And so you have this dynamic of false history, manipulated science, all to try to keep us from understanding which way is up. And that with not knowing who we really are makes it pretty easy to try to control us. And so then we have all of this that we need to figure out. And at the same time, we have the extraction of energy through the financial system. And then that fuels everything. That's the source of the spring. So the reason why Bitcoin is so important, and we got to work for it, it's not a done deal, is that it can't be sound money. It can't be that there's any inflation that has to be absolutely scarce for it to work. There can be no leaky bucket because that'll be exploited over time. And what it becomes is an impenetrable barrier against siphoning off human energy over time. And that is the source of the spring that fuels everything else. It fuels the, you know, some people think that the financial system is controlling people.

That's really the energy confiscation system that can fuel everything else. It's the energy or the fuel inside of the control machine. Okay. A more abstract, more distant concept to most people because they have no exposure. We have some exposure to money on a day-to-day basis. It's not real money, but we have exposure to it. But the legal system is the consent and control system. They don't teach us anything about either system, but legal is not lawful.

And there's an incredible video that I watched some years ago. I stumbled across it. It was a British professor giving a talk, and I think it was in London, and it was called The Occult Art of Law. And it was all about the difference between lawful and legal. And, you know, it could be described as law of the land and law of the sea. And in effect, we have a situation where all the countries, what we consider countries, are not really countries at all. They're corporations. and it's almost like an entire landmass is a ship out to sea under a completely different system of rules right and this is built up over a long period of time it gets into the the history manipulation and everything so when we're talking about the united states

you know most people would think about the country the constitutional republic etc etc But there's this corporate structure which has been erected over many, many years, and we're consenting without knowing we're consenting. It's in the law of the sea, the admiralty, maritime, world of commerce. It's only contract. Everything is consenting to contracts. It's all commercial. Everything is about commerce. and it's not about common law or law of the land or natural law the problem is we don't know how

we're consenting we don't speak the language we were never taught the language there's different forms of english a word in say the oxford dictionary doesn't mean the same thing as black's law dictionary for example if you talk about information for normal people it means information data uh some kind of thought or whatever in black's law dictionary it means evidence of a crime it's almost as if we're in a foreign country like if we're in japan i don't speak japanese i can't read japanese and if there was a sign in front of me on this path that said if you walk past this sign you consent to give up all your sovereignty to us and we will control you for the rest of your life yeah and i don't read it i don't know i'm doing it but by walking

past it, I am consenting. And so we have the financial system, which is the source of the spring, the energy siphoned off from us. They erect over many years, this control structure through the legal system. And then everything downstream of that is just building upon this control structure. You can manipulate history, you can manipulate education, you can put the medical-industrial complex in there, and you kind of see how it unfolds from there. Okay, so hold on. I want to dive deeper into the whole justice system thing with you, but just a clarification question before we go there. So you're saying when many of us think that the strongest lever, I would say, in the control mechanism or the control apparatus would be

the financial system you're claiming it's the justice system that kind of holds everything in place and the fact that we give our consent to participate in the way the system is designed you think that has more power more grip on the structure of the control system than the actual money or monetary side of the the financial system or you think that you know they're both like equally important to uphold this matrix structure in place yeah it's not that that the legal system is more powerful of a control structure it's that that the energy by which to create it comes from the confiscation of energy through central banking through printing of money right this is upstream of the legal system and the legal system can't be erected as

it is without central banking you know central banking is yeah they're dependent on each other that feeds everything you can't have big tech you can't have technocracy you can't have uh the medical industrial complex as it is without the printing of money yeah and and it's the fifth plank of the communist manifesto so if anybody thinks that central banking naturally arrived at our door because we thought it was good for us it's it's not true it's it's all part of this control structure we don't live in a societal driven social contract it is there was a reset and all these control structures were built over time and uh and so the the the energy behind everything is the the control of what we call money uh this money printing do you refer to the

reset the last reset that was done as like the creation of the federal reserve or like around the beginning of the 1900s or is it earlier than that the last one the last reset that we've experienced as human yeah i i've uh been looking at this a lot and i'm still uh looking at it i I think it was earlier, probably the late 1700s into the 1800s. You have a lot of, I would say, catastrophic stuff happening in the world in that time period. It looks as though they reset the technological level of the population down to horse and wagons, yet there's all kinds of evidence of a much more sophisticated civilization, even in the United States, especially the Western United States is really the canary in the coal

mine for seeing some of this stuff. And then you had... Can you give some examples of technologies that were used back then before we were brought back to the horse and carriage? Well, think about it in a little bit of a different way. So we have a historical narrative that says there was colonists then they built up on the east coast and then sometime later they went west we have for example san francisco if you look at pictures from you know maybe 20 or 30 years after it was founded by people rushing out there for the gold rush it looks like it could house a million people or more. Uh, you have these incredible structures, cathedrals, and it looks like Roman and, uh, you know, something you would see in Europe. Uh, I've spent a lot of time in Europe

and, and it's, it's, it's very special, but I would go back to the United States and I'd see strip malls and just a bunch of bleak, you know, construction. And then you look back at the world's fairs. And you see that in Omaha, it used to look like Rome. St. Louis looked like Rome. Chicago was like Rome. And then you think, well, how can that be? And then we get back to the confirmation bias and ontological shock. And one can dismiss that and just accept the narrative that they built these things in six months or two years. And they ran these world fairs for six months, introducing a bunch of products and whatnot into the population and then they tore them all down but it's it's becoming clear and clear that these structures were already there

the capital buildings if you look for example the capital buildings of every u.s state yeah they're all incredible they're all geometrically perfect they're all built on ley lines right which is in and of itself these natural energetic lines of the of the earth and And so, you know, you can't do that with, you know, hammer and a chisel. I'm sorry that it's a stupid question. What is a ley line? I don't know. Ley lines are these naturally energetic lines on the earth.

I'm not an expert at where they are, but they go all over the place and they intersect in certain places. And you see all these incredible structures where they intersect and on the ley lines. So it's like, I mean, if we're going to get really deep, then... It sounds like Brad Hancock stuff, like ancient apocalypse kind of. Yeah, I mean, okay. It's like the meridian of the human body just on Earth, like energy channels. Okay. Yeah, so we kind of live in an electromagnetic physical experience, right?

And so these ley lines are energetic lines that just so happens every capital building is on one. And they all look the same. And so you think about the Capitol building of Idaho. Why does it look like this incredible European structure? Why are there no, you know, I've done a lot of construction. Why are there no documents, invoices? How did you do it? I mean, it's really nonsensical that there's nothing backing up these structures. And so what is it? And so how much of our history can we rely on? And there's a lot of false science that's taught. Nikola Tesla, if it was a real guy, was far more correct than, say, Einstein. And so we need to start breaking this stuff apart and understanding what is the scenario we're really living in. Okay. So in any case. Yeah, I just wanted to take you there for a second and come back. And while you were talking, I also was looking for one of the films that I want to recommend to people.

You were touching on free energy. So there's a brilliant documentary called Thrive, Thrive 2. I think you may have watched it by Foster Gamble and his wife, Kimberly. Do you know them? No, I don't. Oh, they're awesome. So there is Thrive 1, which is really like the first Thrive movie is kind of old. I don't remember when it was done, but I think about 15, 20 years ago.

But this one was done in 2021 or 2, Thrive 2. It's called This Is What It Takes. And it's all about free energy. So I'll put it on the show notes. I'll put a link to this. It's a great movie. two and a half hours talking all about free energy and yeah and consciousness in the field and everything and i think it's good to bring people up to speed on on that so if you haven't

watched it i'll give it to you it's really good yeah and you know free energy is a is very important to understand the implications of so in effect there's energy everywhere there's a false narrative that energy is scarce and you know you can for example cathedral these old structures it gets its name from cathode so it was harnessing energy from the ether re-amplifying it for healing and for electricity purposes and so if you take a look at just the deflationary effect of technology alone which is immense and then you back that up with free energy then our natural state should be absolutely abundant and of course and and something like bitcoin becomes less less important as a store of value and more important as a protection mechanism from ever siphoning off

that energy again to build these false control structures and false narratives yep so it's it's it's kind of like a check valve where if we can get past this debt slave everything is a lie scenario, then it prevents it from ever taking hold again, or at least it can. And so for me, it's much more important when we start understanding free energy and the effects of Bitcoin and technology to understand the real prize here. The real prize is not to have a great retirement account. The real prize is for complete and utter abundance to where we can actually live our natural state which we've never done oh i just think every time i hear this like i wish more people got that this is the magic behind bitcoin and not all the other stuff because if they did

then nothing matters and i mean it's like just just work to be creative and to build this system and to make it stronger so we can go past that phase that transitory phase that we're in now so that we can win but it's like a win it's a win i don't know i mean forever is a very weird word but it's a it's a long-term win it's not just like uh it's not for our generation it's for a very big cause it's a very big thing i wish more people would understand that so So, yeah, maybe maybe by following you after this episode, they will develop this conviction. And also, yeah, I've done recently a very good episode with Jeff about that, about how we view Bitcoin money versus asset. And so, yeah, go listen to that if you haven't.

OK, let's go back. So, John, you OK, where do you want to go? Because I thought we can go back to the legal lawful, but maybe there's something else that you think is more important about the control system before we go there. I mean, I think that this can take hours and hours and hours, so I don't think we need to go too deep into the weeds. I think the important thing is to understand that there's a big difference between lawful and legal. Okay.

And just as we need to understand money and we need to understand energy and we need to understand other qualities of being a good person, we need to start educating ourselves on the lawful versus legal. We are inadvertently agreeing and consenting to all kinds of crazy things. We have a series of corporations in which we think they're countries. And to give you an idea of how far back this goes, the United States, all caps, it's the corporation, they name it the same as the Constitutional Republic. It was formed in 1871 in the 1871 Organic Act, but that was only enabled by the Constitution of the United States. So you can see the forethought into that. And there's some people that have written very interesting things about how the Constitution was a big concession as compared to the Articles of Confederation. And if you do some research on that, you can see that it enabled a much larger centralized power with the federal government. And so from the beginning, we've been fighting this fight. And so this is very much different than the way I was raised, which is, you know, we're free and, you know, it's our own doing this country and how it works. and yeah, there's some problems and there's a little corruption, but go America. And it's really not the case. The Constitutional Republic and the law of the land is still very much there.

But I think it breaks down to, we are born into this physical experience sovereign. And as sovereigns, we can do what we want, right? Even consenting to be a slave. And the question is whether we know it. If we don't know it, do we educate ourselves and open our mind enough to understand how that works? And so the lawful legal paradigm is essential to understand that it's not enough to understand the money. If somebody does really well in the statutory world of commerce, the whole machine is designed to extract that energy from you. Even if it's in Bitcoin, even if it's in gold, it is designed to do just that. And so we just need to understand these these paradigms that they exist and really start digging in. And once we do, it's kind of like the

cypherpunk era of the legal system. You know, the cypherpunks were like, okay, I see the state coming. I understand what's going on. I understand the money is a problem. I understand cryptography is needed. And they start understanding the dynamics and building tools. And the same thing with the lawful legal paradigm, we need to understand the dynamic and we need to educate ourselves and then we all need to start working on this problem together and there's a lot of people that have not a lot but there's a handful of people which are doing amazing work and i can send you you know stuff on them later and perhaps you can talk with them but uh it's still early days but uh it's incredibly powerful to understand this and you start realizing wait i don't need

to be a slave of this system and i can find my agency but i i don't think you can do it if you don't understand this part of the control system. So I would just impress upon people to educate themselves. Thank you. I'm with you. Do you want to share a little bit about the case? You sent me some information about the justice system, you know, how courts secretly convert legal cases into financial investments, bought and sold in financial markets. Do you want to give that example maybe just as one way to show people how how corrupt what's called the justice system is and the justice is probably not even there i mean we're seeing what's happening to samurai today i think everyone in our community kind of understands that you know justice is the

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It was a commercial hotel loan dispute kind of a thing. It took 10 years, so it's too long to explain. But it always felt that we could never tell our story. It always felt like everything was very biased and rigged. And it got more so as we went. And aside from the way I am in trying to learn things, I had also this issue where I'm like, why is this happening like this? And so I go down the lawful legal rabbit hole. I immerse myself in it, start learning things.

I start hearing about bonds being issued on cases. And at first I think it's like bail bonds or things like that. But it's not. Again, everything, we're outside of the law of the land. We're in the casino. the casino rules right so you step into a casino everything is financial everything is contract okay and and so you have you're you're being shepherded from one losing game to the next and the house is always extracting energy and you have these casino ushers called attorneys

that some are good people some are not good people it's just a mix i know some great ones i've experienced some bad ones and they're kind of guiding you from one casino game to the next now they may try to help you out if there's some dispute and your money gets eaten at the slot machine but they're not going to go against the casino they can't right and so uh we're not representing ourselves we're not presenting ourselves we're being represented by casino ushers not even knowing that we're in the casino okay and so if we if we just zoom out and we're like, okay, we're in this statutory world of commerce. Everything is contract. Everything is financial. So what happens in court cases is that they will run, it's basically run like a

business. And you'll have a case with a potential outcome. Say there's going to be, you know, some financial institution against somebody that took out a loan and there's going to be a judgment potentially. And so they'll look at that case and they'll say, what's the revenue potential? What's the judgment potential? And then they'll issue a short-term municipal bond at the front end of the case. And then they receive that revenue by selling that bond. And then the legal maneuvering is simply to get the case to the predetermined result. Okay, hold on. Who is issuing the municipal bond? The municipality. For example, county, court.

Is this like a normal practice that happens in every municipality? I would say that most of the world is under this system of commerce. And while it may not happen as much in smaller jurisdictions, it's definitely happening like a mafia racket in large jurisdictions. and they issue what's that bond called is there like a name for it that kind of conceals or hide what it really is well yeah that's uh that gets into the disclosure requirements for municipal bonds it's very sketchy uh it's very hard to find these bonds unless you know that they're there They're not going to be, hey, I'm a court case. Yeah, that's what I mean.

If I was living in a, I don't know, wherever in the United States, could I go to my municipality and ask to see that bond? No, no. But you can look up, okay, so here's the thing. Every security and every bond has a number associated with it. This number is called a QSIP number, and it stands for Committee on Uniform Security Identification Procedures. And it's a committee that was in the 60s that created this numbering system. And so every bond, every stock has one. And so those that have access to look up these Q-CIP numbers can take a case number and look it up and see if it's securitized or not.

And it's quite wild. In my experience, I was able to do that. How did you get to that? I had a connection. And I looked it up, and mine was in a big fund. So you imagine these court cases being predetermined, going into retirement accounts. You know, you have to protect the bond value, so you need to skirt justice however you can. So it's the absolute opposite of fair and impartial justice.

Unbelievable. Okay, so you say that there's a fund out there, that your case was inside that fund, your QSIP number was there, so you managed to figure out that they are trading your case in order to make revenue off it if they manage to get to the desired outcome of it. And that's how they financialize it. Like they securitize it and then they financialize on it. And you say that this is what they do with cases all the time. They make money on legal cases. We're in the statutory land of commerce. Everything is financial and everything is contract. And when you see how far gone everything is, if people realize it, it's soon to be game over because we're under the illusion that we have a justice system. And the amount of lives being ruined by the system is incredible. Incredible. And not only that, when I got the information, not only was it being traded in a large fund, there was a note that said this QSIP is associated with another trust. Okay. Okay, so I gave very minimal information.

There was somebody else involved in this case. That explains the other trust. But what is the trust? That is really bizarre because I'm not a trust fund baby. You know, not that I know of. Yeah. And so what's happening even deeper than the legal system is us. We are the collateral for this system. Okay.

Upon our birth, we are registered. We have a birth certificate. We are collateralized and we have a bond number. And that's what it's referring to. The state opens up a trust in our name. And that is what a lot of people refer to as the straw man, where it's if you pull out your driver's license, it's in all caps. That's not you. That is a legal entity that we think is us and that this statutory world of commerce can only engage with other dead entities, only other corporations or legal entities. And so we're given one upon our birth, and we're bonded slaves in this system of commerce, receiving no justice and extracting our energy at every level. And it's generationally implemented to where our parents never knew, our grandparents never knew. And so you can start looking up when birth certificates became a thing. and it's uh around this time where some very sketchy stuff happened in the 1800s up into the early 1900s and so without knowing it we're born into this uh that slavery system we're bonded slaves and we have no real justice and we're consenting to be slaves without knowing

it and so they're like well our hands are clean because you're consenting and we're like well nobody taught us this and i didn't know i was consenting and then they're like well who cares because you're sovereign it's nobody's job to teach you right and so this is why it's so important for people to take full responsibility for their lives and learn all these things nobody cares if you don't know it you're consenting every day you don't know it you have no justice and you were born into this and so what do we do you know yes yes let's go there what do we do so let's say I've taken your recommendation and the initiative and I started learning about this then I go into a process in which I can resist some of the stuff that is being thrown at me

by communicating with the system in a different way yes you know the way I've tried to gear my thought process around this is that there's certain, I think of them as pillars of sovereignty, right? How do we get back to full agency of our lives? We have to take full responsibility, but we have full freedom within natural law. So the money, I think, is quite clear now. And, you know, there's lots of avenues to go down. There's the law, which that'll take some looking into and understanding how we're consenting learning to speak the language it's like if i went to germany which i did i can't just have somebody tell me what to say i need to speak the language in order to interact with that environment and so i think the first thing is

understand the paradigm and then there's uh you know many people doing many great things but there's some books to read there's a whole bunch of stuff out there if people look and then start getting into that. And there's ways you don't need to consent. There's very powerful, powerful things that you can do. It all requires not having fear and educating yourself. I mean, there's no USB stick, plug and play, hey, turn off the system, you know, and it's protecting itself. So you have to be willing to do stuff. But generally, the solution is a decentralized solution. If we work on all these pillars, it's the food, it's the medicine, it's the education, it's all of it. It's, you know, the digital part. Maybe I can explain how that plays into

the control structure a little bit. Absolutely. Let's go there. So how does the whole digital paradigm, I mean, this is, you know what, I'll give a quick background to this. So there's one thing that I bump into again and again with some of my audience that really cares about freedom and wants to have sovereignty, but maybe it's because of their age or generational thing. You know, they were not born into a digital reality, so it's harder for them to kind of embrace it now. And so there's this inherent fear of anything digital. I mean, they are watching us right now through a digital meme they wouldn't be able to consume this content if they weren't on some digital platform but they draw the border or the line way earlier than you and i would

you know since we're in bitcoin since we have accepted to to embrace a lot of different types of technologies and we're not afraid of technology many people are seeing you know and this is part of the control psychological control operation to make you think that anything digital is bad and that the control system is digital and digital id coming into play cbdc is coming into play that's gonna you know hone in and clamp down on any last bit of freedom that we have left so i totally understand the concern but what i try to educate people all the time about is the distinction between you know technology as a tool you can use it for good or bad depending on what kind of technology it is and how it's built and what it's designed for including bitcoin including

many other privacy tools etc and so you're doing great work in that field too so can you take us through the concept of you know our digital lives and what kind of work in the road we are facing right now when we are being led to a very technocratic digital panopticon surveillance state ai kind of world versus the freedom tech and and privacy tech and all that that is on the other side of the spectrum yeah and it's always confusing because there's so much noise out there technocracy versus davos versus all this stuff right but if we understand the control this is why i wanted to understand the control structure because all of that is noise yeah it's always been about human control for a long long time so we have the energy which is the money we have the

consent and control structure which is the legal statutory world of commerce both are in process of getting digital upgrades so you have central bank digital currencies or you have programmable stable coins same thing yeah it doesn't matter who it comes from so you have all of that on the money side and then on the legal side to go into the digital age with consent where it's all digital all algorithmic all the checkbox that is so much easier to manage the herd right you don't need to go through this analog process of managing the entire population and so technocracy is just an evolution of the human control structure which already exists now who the people are behind it and who gets what i'm not sure but it doesn't really matter to me i don't want a part of it

And so when I started learning about Bitcoin, it kind of ripped open my worldview and then I just started going with it and started trying to understand everything I could because I could see very quickly that technology was going to be a problem. I used to be a Google guy, not anymore. And in order for us to... Say Google guy, what do you mean? You worked with them or you used Google? What do you mean? No, I was a big fan of their products. You know, I use the the Gmail and the, you know, all their other stuff.

Yeah. But again, the source of the spring allows them to co-opt all of these technology platforms and so on. And so if we embrace Bitcoin and keep it decentralized, secure and don't let it be filled up with spam and all that kind of stuff, then you're effectively shutting down the energy inflow into the control structure. right at the same time people wake up and they realize hey this is what's going on and if we can live a digitally private life the only way that they can keep us under control is if they cattle herd us into this land of convenience and technology to where we willingly go into it into this technological control structure right they we have every tool we need to not go there yeah already yeah and if we cut off the source of energy through bitcoin specifically if we wake up

to all these paradigms and we are brave enough to say i'm gonna conquer my ontological shock and if we at the same time say look i'm in a jungle right now i can't be walking around with a Hawaiian shirt and a whistle and bells around my neck. I need to learn how to survive in the digital jungle. And then that's where digital privacy and sovereign computing come in. And where they intersect is all kinds of amazing things like, you know, Start9 and all these great products that we have already if we just learn to use them. And so it's really the solutions are not centralized solutions we put all of our energy into these existing control systems where if we realize that we're in a casino and the elections are in a casino right and all of the

protesting is in the casino and all of the the ways that we go and try to make a difference locally or otherwise they're all corporations the county the state the all the countries it's all in this casino and the voting all the voting all we're doing is giving ourselves power of attorney as slaves for somebody to control our lives there's some people that really go in depth in this the resources are out there and so instead of putting our energy into that nonsense we need to find the exit and we need to understand the paradigm to begin with and so the the beauty is that for one, we have all the tools we need to be free. We cannot do it if we don't open our minds and if we live in fear. So that's, that's really what we have to do. And then we have to take

action and these different categories, educate ourself and utilize the tools. And the reward is immense abundance and living a life that we never even thought were possible. It's, it's really incredible and so you know for people that have kids i have kids and you know it's uh what could be more important and so nothing um yeah nothing nothing could be more important can you say a bit about the digital privacy course or website and course that you put together yeah yeah so So it's been a journey. I started working on it two years ago. So I started diving into digital privacy and learning as much as I possibly could. And the problem is it's a very abstract concept for a lot of people. We can't see what devices are doing. Just talking about it is

difficult. Like if I start talking about legal stuff, or if we start talking about, you know, Bitcoin code, it's very easily lost. And the most important part of the journey is the beginning. It's, it's, we don't need everybody to be super spies. We just need everybody to be aware of how to navigate the digital jungle. And so I tried a few things. I was teaching some stuff. It was always too much talk. It was always too wordy. And the question was, how do I get all this information about this abstract concept into a format which people can go from zero to 60 very easily and in a very short amount of time? And so where I came to was I had to learn web development and video editing and stuff. And then I started putting these videos together where I use a lot

metaphors and graphical representation to start introducing the concepts to people and how they how are they exposed and how to deal with it and it's for it's for my parents it's for you know people that are not technologically uh you know into it it's for beginners and it would be wildly boring if it was just me talking for 45 minutes for any particular topic and i would lose people and nobody has the time so uh the longest video is 10 minutes and they're usually less than five so it's a privacy digital privacy course for beginners right and it's a few hours long and it's on that website that i just showed and i will put the link to it in the show notes as well but anyone can enroll and take this course uh it's free it's it's yeah it's a right now it's

free i don't have any plans to i i just want to get people going and then the network effect and you can join a signal chat and i'll start doing weekly q and a's and and just getting people going i'm definitely signing up i'm going to be in the signal group i'm going to take the course yay yeah and and look the prizes we talked about is freedom and abundance that's right you know so So let's learn how to do this. And that's the end part of the control structure. Don't get into the technocracy. Learn the lawful legal so you know how not to consent. Embrace the Bitcoin and we choke off the energy going into it. And it's going to be chaotic and it's going to be wild and scary. but the more of us there are that wake up to this and take action all we have to do is change our own lives we don't have to change the world the world will reflect the changes in our own lives oh amen perfectly said and i think i know why our episode was delayed until now because recently

i've been locked out of my sub stack account and i saw yeah right after i've been also banned from telegram last year and so i made some videos that went viral and and the awareness is is on the on the rise now for for you know losing our freedom online which is great i mean it's not great that it's happening but we knew it's coming and now it's really happening because they're accelerating their kyc over just access to the internet and i think this is the perfect timing for people to learn more about privacy and privacy tech and and their digital freedom so yeah i think the timing is perfect for people to really do this because now they're a little bit more open to it if we would have done this a year ago they'd go oh yeah it's somewhere in the distant future that may

happen it's happening like if you are western and you live in the uk australia canada france germany you are already feeling it high probability but you're already feeling it what was the recent thing in the uk starmer said that they're gonna ban vpns was it's a thing right like in the last few days they talked about banning vpns it's crazy how fast it's rolling out and it will get more egregious it has to it has yes this one is for all the marvels Either we're reset into another more sophisticated slavery system or we're not. And so this one is the system will do everything it can to protect itself. In so doing, it's going to wake up a ton of people, which creates a counterbalance.

And so they're going to try to ban VPNs. There's a lot of ISPs that already do that. You see a lot of web pages. Hey, it looks like you have a VPN on. well make the choice stop using them stop putting your energy to these places i think it's very clear and getting more clear with all the recent disclosure documents from that was just the tip of the iceberg with all the epstein stuff that we don't live in the world we thought yeah so you're already in the jungle yeah there's no safety they don't care about you where the the leaders of the

slave system are sick sick people yeah so we we need to then just take action and start getting out of it right and um so it convenience is a killer yeah you know when i log into a website i have password managers i have two-factor authentication yes it takes me another 30 seconds every time but what are the benefits convenience is you know it's like um it's like for Bitcoin, you have the trifecta. You can only have decentralization security. You can only have two of decentralization security and, say, throughput for transactions. And in digital privacy, you can only have privacy security or convenience. You can only have two. And so we need to reject convenience. We need to start getting our warrior spirit back. When did we

become so docile and domesticated and asking permission for everything? Boring. It's really boring it's boring and and it's weak and it's weak and it's like you know when people started asking so what do you do now you're not in telegraph you're not in sub so you don't fuck them fuck them i don't care how many subscribers i've lost because i've earned my freedom because i i became a little bit stronger out of this you know and i knew it was coming i always know it's coming that's why i am decentralized that's why i have channels on every platform and that's why i've been moving my energy and time into noster in the past year to to double down on that and continue building my my audience there and moving as many people as i can there because i know that

that's coming so i don't care that i'm losing losing you know data points it's it's subscribers who cares it's not about the quantity it's not about winning a game it's it's just about living free and and to to worry about you know i've really come full circle on the whole money thing i can't get myself excited about money i can barely get myself excited about bitcoin as money because downstream of this whole thing is so much abundance that money is not going to be what it is now and you know so we really have to just say what are we doing this for yeah exactly it's it's so much bigger than oh i need to maximize my yield or my revenue oh and you know one thing about bitcoin those questions yeah i'm with you john because i don't like why do we do

this why do i wake up every day and do what i do when you have a good enough convincing answer to yourself and you're like yeah hell yeah that's why then come back to the game and play it and see you play it then you know you know give me an example of what they do they try to get us to think of certain concepts in certain ways you have war movies and there's always soldiers storming the beaches or you know kinetic fighting you have slavery in movies it's always whips and shackles right now that can be those things but they want to condition us to where if we're not in shackles and if there's nobody storming the beaches we're not in slavery and there's no war going on but that's simply not the case you know we're being bombarded from every angle from every single angle

whether it's um the food or the programming in the media or whether it's the lines in the sky electromagnetic frequencies all of that stuff it is a full-blown war on us and we're still here and so maybe we're not weak creatures that just get sick and need a doctor maybe we're super strong beings that even though they're bombarding us to no end we can wake up and we can find all the solutions for all of those things and we can just get to it and if we do then it's pretty incredible what we can't even imagine what the world could be. And I think specifically on Bitcoin, how much Bitcoin one has is not near as important as the knowledge of how to operate in and out of that network outside of the fiat system. Whether it's BISC or VEXL or these other

solutions, how do I function if I'm completely cut off from the financial system? Because I think that everybody will be put in that situation at some point okay excellent very very good i want to ask you about bitcoin something because you know many people would especially the audience that is listening to this that is not a bitcoiner or don't have bitcoin or just curious about it or beginning stages of their journey they may say okay you guys are talking about all these good digital tools and and and privacy tech and all that stuff but you don't put bitcoin in i mean when we talk about bitcoin we just take it for granted that that is a key into a world of freedom and sovereignty but i think it's important to make the distinction about how bitcoin also is

co-opted not on the protocol level but in the perception to create a trajectory for the masses or most of the people that are becoming familiar with bitcoin to consume it or get it or hold it just through intermediaries that would then make it something else than what it's supposed to be so can you say a bit about that and how bitcoin is also prone to the weaknesses of the control system yeah i would say that what we see is any institution that can be infiltrated in this world is is infiltrated i mean uh governments have been sidelined now there's corporations you have institutions whether they're for you know i don't know fda whether that was ever good or not i don't know but it's definitely not now you have the source of the spring the

money being used to then co-opt and infiltrate all of these things bitcoin is no different but what is being infiltrated is not the protocol it's the implementations it's the centralized points so the spam uh debate was a big issue there's a uh bip 110 that's come out now uh to address that now what do they do they put a bunch of noise out into the world right they make people get confused as to which way to go and uh and so it's the same playbook right there's some issue they they fund both sides of the arguments they do all this kind of stuff in my estimation Bitcoin has as we talked about it is the barrier against siphoning off human energy over time but it can only do that as money it has to patch that hole that the money causes right so any other use

to Bitcoin is probably an attack or maybe it doesn't have to be an attack but then you don't need all of this spam on the chain and so what we need to do is take agency with what kind of software we run regarding bitcoin as well there's knots which i run and i'm running bit 110 as well all the arguments against it are the same arguments you see in every other institution and every other propaganda piece right we don't need bitcoin is absolutely worthless as a technology right it is not important because it's a cryptocurrency it's important because it's the advent of absolute scarcity and it stops the confiscation of energy from energetic beings right so it is so far nonsensical to argue that we need to have gross picks on bitcoin so we need

to pick the implementation of the protocol just like when we're browsing the web there's the the internet protocol and we need to pick the implementation that we use in order to interact with that protocol so i don't use safari or chrome or even firefox anymore we're using you know a movad browser libra wolf potentially brave and things like that so we need to ignore all the noise we need to say okay what is bitcoin it's a protocol what are the implementations doing Okay, here's what they're doing. And do I understand how it affects my life in the context that Bitcoin is meant to do one thing, protect our energy, right? And so maybe that helps a little bit to clarify what's going on now. Every implementation could be co-opted. So we need more, right? I think we need a lot more implementations, not just nots. I think Luke Dasher is great. He's really done a lot. I don't know where we'd be in the Bitcoin sphere without people like that. So hats off. But again, you never know what compromising situations, you know, technology and companies and people can be put into. So we need alternatives and we need to always understand that there's a constant cat and mouse game with technology, whether it's Bitcoin or whether it's digital privacy.

If you're using a VPN and that VPN is compromised, you need to understand it and you need to jettison it and you need to go to a better solution. And it's the same thing with with core or with any other implementation. We need to understand it for what it is and protect it. We need to let Bitcoin be what it really needs to be in order for us to reach this point of abundance. Okay, wonderful. Great. Thank you for saying that. I just want to add maybe to what you've said that even in the less technical realm of what kind of Bitcoin software version you're running, just in the way you acquire your Bitcoin, if you're doing that through an ETF or a KYC exchange, you're also prone to compromise through the system, right? Because then they have you by the balls, so to speak. They have your identity. If you want to redeem your ETF, you're getting fiat money for it.

You don't hold the actual asset. So you need to be aware of that. This is only for the even more beginners than people that don't run nodes, etc. But also understand treasury companies and their stocks before you go ahead and buy them because you're excited about getting Bitcoin through those companies. You don't. You get their stock and they hold the Bitcoin, not you. So you need to also educate yourself about that. So the only way I see to get as close as possible to the vision that you are drawing for Bitcoin is to either mine Bitcoin, not either, is both to mine Bitcoin or to end to acquire it peer to peer through other people in a non-KYC fashion. And that is harder, but possible.

Yeah, I think, again, convenience is not our friend. We need to understand that whenever we buy things through an ETF or through a Bitcoin treasury company, it's not Bitcoin. There's even a lot of people talking about the fact that it's a centralization attack on Bitcoin. I mean, there's all these different avenues. Bitcoin is a completely different paradigm. So if you don't hold your own keys in self-custody through sovereign computing and spend it and receive it in a non-KYC scenario, then there's exposure. So I think that should be the goal to understand how to do that and then make calculated choices from there. You don't need to do that with everything, but you have to understand the risks.

If you buy Bitcoin through an ETF, you don't own it, right? In kind of making a comparison to the lawful legal situation, for example, when people own land, they don't own the land. They own a certificate or a ability or right to occupy it for a certain period of time, but they don't have a loydeal title to the land. and a loyalty title cannot be granted by some government it is supreme claim to that land and there's people that know a lot about this and and go into a lot of detail the only thing that i can think of right now that we can achieve a loyalty title and easily is bitcoin is bitcoin yeah and And many people think that, you know, when it's harder to acquire Bitcoin through peers in a non-KYC fashion, and I totally get that, the other option is really mining it because that gives you a lot of privacy. Because when you mine in it and you get the sats through mining and it goes directly into your wallet, it's like you've just minted new Bitcoin off the blockchain.

there's no one that received that bitcoin before you did so it's like it's a very high level i mean depending on how you do your mining high level of privacy if you use certain pools and even if you do remote mining through abandoned mines for example which are my sponsors for this show just a disclaimer but when you do it through them like you can do it privately i mean yes there's a risk that they could know who you are like there are many ways just be just ask just if you're aware and conscious about it and you ask the question there are things you can do to preserve your privacy and get bitcoin directly to your wallet without many yeah whatever you know what i mean right and these are the skills that we need to learn you know perhaps in other times it was

and still is you know growing food and and learn how to build a house and all of these things we need to add the money, the lawful legal, and the technology bit because we're in a different era. And those that do that the best are going to reap the rewards of that. So it's only in our best interest to learn how to do these things and learn the differences between the pools and between the payment models and what is Ocean doing different, what is Datum. and and now we even have convenient resources where we can look anything up in an instant

and we can uh you got to be careful with ai that's its whole thing and it's makes a lot of mistakes but you know you can have it summarize data for you and you can double check the sources and you can save a lot of time that way and the only thing keeping us in this slave system is complacency convenience ignorance not waking up not taking action not using the tools that we already have so it's um we're sovereigns whether we know it or not and uh that only comes with ultimate responsibility nobody's gonna come and save us nobody's gonna there's people yeah maybe there's people inside of the system working to something better and that's great but I'm not banking on that. We need to, you know, cover all these pillars of sovereignty and put

in the work. You know, it's so much more important than, you know, 401ks and seeing the sports game. I mean, I get all that stuff. We all want this normal life. We all have some nostalgia to what we were born into, we thought, but it doesn't exist. And it never did. That can be sad. That can be scary, but something far better is an option for us if we will put in the work to do it. So I, I, I I'll never forget. I'll never forget when I was building restaurants and projects and stuff. Uh, we had some good times we've been through the ringer. Uh, so part of this is necessity that I've had to learn this stuff. And, uh, I remember somebody asking me, you know, how, how do you, we had some, uh, uh, great taco restaurants and we're in all these TV

shows and stuff. And he said, well, how big do you want to take it? Do you want to franchise it out and have like 50 stores or something? I'm like, you know, I don't know. I just don't feel like I have the runway. I feel like something's going to happen. And like two years later, COVID hit Wow. And, and we went from 130 employees to three and I'm like, this is, this is crazy. And I was never asleep, but I was like, that whole world doesn't make sense to me. I kind of marched to my own beat. But then when things really started getting crazy, then I'm like, okay, I got to figure this out and so on the downside the uh the 80s lifestyle that we grew up in didn't really exist but on the positive we're so much more than we thought we were and our future can be so much

more than we ever dreamed far better than the 80s you know so if let's seize it you know i i think that um we don't need to invent anything crazy it's all right there oh yeah i i'm with you a thousand percent i'm so bullish on life especially after this conversation this is perfect john i and and while i totally agree with you that in today's day and age it becomes so important to hone in on your digital skills and you know now you need to understand digital money and digital privacy and all that i still want my future husband slash boyfriend to know how to grow plants and build a house yeah i still do that that's that's definitely yeah my mother for example she's the uh regenerative agriculture guru um she's gonna do her own course uh and help people

and uh it's all of the above we need to yeah we decouple our lives from the centralized systems the food we we don't need to feed the world we need to feed ourselves we need to feed our families and we need to have good communities that we can trade and the world will be fed if everybody does that. And so if we look, you know, there's no centralized solution for this. It's a decentralized solution for an incredibly centralized problem. And so it's all of the above. Yeah. We need to get back to nature. We need to put down these devices. They're not good for us. They're psychologically controlling us. Go walk in the grass. Go spend time with your family like i go to the store and i don't bring my phone and it's fantastic it is so good it is so

good yesterday i went to the beach here in bali so it's like 15 minutes walk from where i am and when i got there it's on a cliff so when i got there and i was on i was in a pool that they built like those indonesians they're insane i'm telling you it is so unsafe the kind of stuff they're doing but it's wild so they're building on cliffs all these structures that come out of the cliff and every time they're the current is really strong of the ocean so every time you get like the waves hitting the cliffs you feel the whole structure moving and it's like that for years and years and somehow it doesn't collapse i was just praying the whole time there that that won't be the day that it collapses but you know i was there for like four or five hours and

there was no reception no into no you know data 3d all that crap like phones is good only for a camera i was like hey god thank you thank you i can have the next three four hours without the deliberation whether to open it or not it's just this brick right now that i i can take some wild great photos and videos but that's it so it was in my bag the whole time it was me with the ocean with nature with the sun and it's such a bliss that we forget that that that time with no technology with no internet is just so important and it will always wait for us it's always there when we need it it's just so important to take the time and disconnect i i'm with you 100 and i i'm not there so the cliff held me no and with with phones in particular it's uh i i used to live in germany

and uh in east germany in east berlin and we had a tour company that we would take people different places and one of the things we did is we set up an old apartment and bought vintage furniture and set it up as it was in the former east germany and we take people to the stasi museum yes and and you see what they did with surveillance and hidden cameras and microphones on heaters and saying all kinds of stuff and they had to work for it and they were very prolific and now it's so much easier we buy the devices to surveil our lives we pay for them we carry them around everywhere and they're far more sophisticated and your phones can be activated anytime gps altitude you know velocity in various directions i mean all of it and so uh you know we

need to understand that and just say no and there's solutions already and then be outside and and be healthy and get rid of you know all the wi-fi stuff around us and all the towers and all the emfs and and it's uh you feel so much better when you do and you know i i remember one time i just quit it all quit all the social media because i was like like you go to an elevator and then you just start scrolling you just start flipping and i'm like i'm programmed to do this stuff so it's it's we gotta we gotta we gotta reprogram the page yeah yeah absolutely okay john um we're coming to the end of this beautiful talk i want to ask you one question about spirituality consciousness and then and then we'll wrap it up so what are your preferred habits or

Or, you know, just daily things you do to ground yourself back into the spirit world, into, you know, your higher prediction, your higher calling. Do you do, like, okay, I'll leave it there. Just talk to me about your... That's a good question. I'm working on this a lot. I think a concept that was introduced to me was the concept of the ever-present now, that the past is just memories and the future doesn't exist at all. In fact, I've read and heard that the concept of the future was not always in our psyche

and that our minds are just chattering all the time, all the time. And I am mildly successful at trying to turn that off. And I think about it a lot. I believe that we are co-creators in this physical experience, that this is not our first life. It won't be our last. Another reason not to have fear. And so I spend a lot of time with, say, trying to be in good vibrations.

And I have a Rife machine that I sleep with every night. And I, you know, 432 hertz or 528 hertz or different things. And I try to just be in the moment and turn it all off. The mind control is real. And I think the mind control is partially trying to get us to believe in something that isn't real. It's not our reality. And also pulling our focus and our consciousness out of the now into the past or into the future. but i think the now is where we have all of our power and where if we follow our passion and we're in it we can really create amazing things so that's what i try to do and i'm like anybody else i'm just a soul in this experience trying my best but but that's uh that's that's what i endeavor to do you're an amazing soul thank god we have you with us on this journey

Are there specific books or people that you recommend following or reading? I mean, I think in order to understand the financial system as an energy system, a book called Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars is incredible. Okay. It has a bit of a lore behind it. It was apparently found in a government copy machine at an auction as a kind of a indoctrination manual for the control structure. But it has a lot of math and it really describes the financial system as literally an energy system. I would start looking at things like My Lunch Break and there's others. Start understanding what are the implications behind false history.

Where do we live? who are we what year is it anyways and uh start really trying to push those envelopes as far as bitcoin there's a million books everybody knows them uh just keep reading keep understanding but i would just say in all of these different categories endeavor to try to not believe or trust anything just always try to see how you can reconcile things even if you have to reshape your own world view how do you draw it back to energy how do you draw it back to something verifiable and uh and go on from there beautiful and some spirituality related books or recommendations something that there's so many you maybe i'll tell you one that that is uh from the end of the

depression uh it's a think and grow rich and uh it's about money because it was at the end of the depression, but it's actually about the effect of your thoughts on materializing the world around you. And I think, uh, you know, when we start to realize that our thoughts shape the world and not the other way around, then, you know, our, uh, our thoughts are so important. Our words are so important. And then everything downstream of that is actions and who you become. That's a good one though for people that that lose it when it becomes too out there spiritually right yeah this is from a period in time where people needed to be able to remake themselves and and it talks about the ether it talks about the infinite uh intelligence of that we're all connected uh it's

very interesting beautiful and then i would just say that generally we're not what they say that that we were, you know, who are we really? We're the observer in this thing. We're not the body. We're not the label. We're not the profession. We're not the religion. We're not the nationality.

So we should endeavor to understand what's meaningful and that we're all souls in this together. So let's make the most of it. Yeehaw. Amen. All right. What gives you hope, Joan? Us. All of us.

that it's only decisions that we have to make to change everything and to uh i mean all of the noise we can cut away all of it all the politics all the this all of that all the countries all the russia china this and that it's all noise i need to change my life i need to understand this stuff i need to try to uh learn these pillars of sovereignty as best i can and spread the word and i've done my part and i don't need to uh feel that that i have no contribution or no power it's really not the case it's it's it's a you know if you change one pixel at a time on a screen eventually there's a different picture altogether you know so that's what we're doing we're little nodes in the network making our choices that's right i love it beautiful john where should

people follow you uh for digital privacy or in general it's digital privacy x on x and digital privacy sessions.io i'm on nostr2 and then personally i have a truth and logic btc on twitter on x and i'm also on nostr so anybody can reach out and and i'm happy to share my journey and resources and links and okay start here and whatever so just hit me up and i'll happily help in any way i can yes from experience you are very helpful so for sure your door is open i will put all of the links to your noster to your eggs to the website to the course everything in the show notes so people can can find you easily anything else you want to add no thank you i mean uh i really appreciate all the all the work you do i was a big fan and then i'm like what's gonna happen

with with uh sensitive things like october 7th and and it's just like certain souls like keep rising above the propaganda and the happenstances and they don't sway with the wind and i think we just need more people out there doing this no fear let's just speak our minds let's break our view of the world let's see how it all pans out but let's do it and uh there's there's more and more good people and in fact i i uh side note i kind of call it the barbershop effect where i go get my haircut and i see what kind of comes up and it's wild like the the the last barber was talking about giant trees and giants and the smithsonian and all kinds of cool stuff and i'm like wow we've gone a long way from politics you know wow the discourse is changing you're saying

yeah and people aren't talking about it so whatever you see online it's it's coming around people don't like to talk about all this stuff but uh when you give them the the the open door then they walk through it's really heartening to see that the stuff that that just comes up in conversations is so much more advanced and awake than it was five years ago so i think we're yes i am i'm with you this is fascinating what you just said because the um yeah it's like the more darkness that is being exposed and it is being exposed the more light becomes stronger and just more energetically present and I feel it too in the questions I'm being asked or the conversations I'm seeing but also the willingness of people to you know to

embrace that there is something there that they don't know which is so good it's such a good shift that is happening I'm not saying it's like we still have a long way to go but it's so exciting to be alive these days in this wild transitory phase that we're in just a thought i'm going to share one thought with you before we we you know we can stop the recording but i watched the avatar movie uh the other day with my son it's the third one and i've watched all three now and after after watching i love it i really do but then after watching it i walk on i touch grass and no bones and all that and you know just thoughts keep popping into my head and and i go hold on the whole avatar thing i remember the name of the holy god or spirit that they're called it's

It's called Yehwah, right? Yehwah. Something like that, yeah. Yeah, so Yehwah is like the God. And then it's like, hold on, Yehwah is really similar to Yehovah, which is God in the Torah, in the Bible, in the ancient, how do you call it, the Old Testimony. And this is in Hebrew how we call God as well, how we write God, Yehwah. And they call it Yehwah.

And it's so similar. and then it's like and okay so if this is how they call their god and they're the blue large creatures which is very similar to the anunnakis in the way they are described or the nephilim right in the way they're described in a lot of the scriptures it's like are they seriously bring to the forefront normalizing like the understanding of the whole concept of anarchy's geoengineering not geoengineering um sorry uh genetically engineering the species like the third movie specifically goes deep into the whole and genetical engineering which is what the Anunnaki's were good at anyway it's like genetic modifications and and building us as humans like

that so it's like wild to me that through this series of movies the avatar and there are many other movies that are touching on that but through the avatar that they're bringing look it's the third one in like a few years and the space between the second one to the third one was only like a couple of years so i think they're also accelerating showing normies and humanity more of like the truth and where they are taking us i find it fascinating i just wanted to share my thought this is really raw i'm sorry i did not phrase it yeah it goes it goes even further yeah i mean there's so many things um okay so on the whole we said we're wrapping it up but we're real exactly those of you who stayed with us good for you go on yeah so you have these giant trees

everywhere yeah right so we have uh whether in venezuela or devil's tower or you you start seeing that wait there were giant giant trees here and they were cut down and they're they're they're i think it's talked about in the the book of enoch maybe and and so you have that aspect of it you have the aspect that the media is kind of telling us these things kind of propagandizing things but also uh it's kind of disclosure so well we told you and uh and then i don't know if you've heard about uh mauro biglino's work no um so he's a an italian translator he worked for the vatican for yes i think i did the one that is researching gods yeah so he uh went to the vatican and said hey i want to let you know that your translations are yes wrong yes and uh

and he said to his surprise they agreed with him but they never changed anything and so he starts going through the definitions right and i've always had this problem how do you reconcile like aliens or non-human life with the bible etc etc well one of the big translations is that elohim was translated to god yeah but it doesn't mean god it's a non-human and also plural plural and plural when you have in in the end you the man which is two hebrew letters it's a it's what you use for for plural singular is elo elo but when you when you add the in in the end it makes it plural so it's like why is it plural if it's like a single entity yeah and and so for me it only reinforces that that there's no there's no external god

we are all part of the collective consciousness we're all perhaps the collective consciousness or the supreme consciousness or source or whatever experiencing itself from different perspectives we're co-creators in this thing but there's some non-human stuff out there and uh and so what is going on in the the avatar movie i think uh the giant trees the connection with nature the the disconnection of nature i mean if you look at some of this uh more out there stuff talking about giant trees and you start seeing them and look at devil's tower and realize that that's not magma that that's the cell structure from plants and you and you start seeing some of this stuff and then you start seeing that uh plus uh all the stuff

that mauro baglino is doing and it really starts to make sense you know we have we're running in the grass right now we have these giant structures uh giant doorways giant trees giant everything Oh, and what I was going to say is if you also look at a documentary called Fantastic Fungi, have you seen that? Oh, I love that one. Yes, sure. Yeah. So there's kind of the mycelium network in there. I even heard that some Bitcoiners were trying to send a transaction over the mycelium network. Oh, wow. I didn't hear about that. yeah but i think uh yeah i think the the true state of things is much more

harmonious and organic in that in that sense and they're only telling us i think we've lost our connection with the earth with each other stay six feet apart you know don't put your feet in the grass yeah i love it okay i knew i i can share my wild thoughts with you about the avatar you're someone that would understand me it's you so um yeah i highly recommend watching it it's really interesting and what was it i need to say something else anyway i forget ah yeah about god i do believe there is like you said there's no external god like i i think there is higher power i do think there is god okay maybe that's like a another rabbit hole but i feel i mean the the more I practice talking to God and building relationships with God and, you know, listening

to, I know it's going to sound funny to people because I'm Jewish, like by, by birth, I'm Jewish. And I think that religions are a psyop and they're another label, right? So it doesn't really matter what religion you were born into but jesus is a fascinating character and it's about christianity and the more i listen to jesus and to his teachings especially the ones that are hidden from the the masses the more i can relate to god and understand how we are how we have this divine spark in us that can help us navigate through what's happening and discover our great abilities as you were referring to them yeah and i think i think you know obviously don't want to offend anybody i i think that um that religion is part of the control structure

and i kind of see it as spirituality in a box like pick your box where the truth i think is far more beautiful than any one box can can describe uh and if you think about like you know i have a long way to go to dip into this but jesus for me seemed to be a very spiritual character you know not a you know uh you know look within and everything i can do you can do and and i read a book uh autobiography of a yogi which which he seemed i i've heard he went to india and all that kind of stuff and so i think whether we again it's labels right god no do i think it's a white man in the clouds or a white bearded man in the clouds no i think it's i think we're all part of this thing you know i think it's it is within i think you know our physical vessels are just one little

piece of us and uh and we're far more connected than we realize so i i think um i think whatever the truth is i think we will eventually discover it and uh i think it's far more beautiful than any box can describe i love it yes okay i think that's a wonderful note to end on i think it's amazing that we pulled on that thread too john i appreciate you you're amazing thank you so much for having this conversation with me. You too. And yeah, it's been a blast. So anytime.

Wonderful. I look forward to meeting in real life. Yeah, just let me know and we'll figure it out. Next time, Lord, for sure. All right. Thank you so much. All right.

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