You're The Voice | by Efrat Fenigson - Israel, Chronic Illnesses & Sovereignty - Matan Hakimi | Ep. 166

Episode Date: October 6, 2026

Matan Hakimi is the creator of "Gut feeling," Israel's most-listened-to independent health podcast, author of the book "Gut Rules," and many courses and retreats.. Diagnosed with colitis in his 20’s and told it was for life, he spent eight years on daily medication. At 28, he met a special healer, and reached full remission within six months. That journey created his life’s northern star: real health starts with sovereignty over your own body. In this open conversation we discuss life in Israel, exiting the Matrix, courage to speak out, Covid and the mRNA injections, the sun paradox,  and the family unit. → Please like, comment, share & subscribe, to help me beat the suppressing algo's. Thank you!SPONSORS→ Access liquidity without selling your Bitcoin with Ledn, get 0.25% off your first loan: https://ledn.io/Efrat    → Get your TREZOR wallet & accessories, with a 5% discount, using my code at checkout (get my discount code from the episode - yep, you’ll have to watch it): https://affil.trezor.io/SHUn→ Have you tried mining bitcoin? Stack sats directly to your wallet while saving on taxes with Abundant Mines: https://AbundantMines.com/Efrat - Claim your free month of hosting via this linkLINKSMatan on X: https://x.com/matanhakimi Matan's website: https://matanhakimi.com/ Matan's book Gut Rules: https://tinyurl.com/3ts828mp Efrat's episode on Matan's podcast (in Hebrew): https://tinyurl.com/2hkuu6mf Efrat’s X: https://twitter.com/efenigsonEfrat’s Channels: https://linktr.ee/efenigsonWatch on all platforms: https://linktr.ee/yourethevoiceSupport Efrat’s work: https://tinyurl.com/zapefrat CHAPTERS 00:00 - Coming Up...01:25 - Introduction: Matan Hakimi01:56 - How Matan & Efrat Met04:55 - Matan's Ulcerative Colitis: A Diagnosis "For Life"12:13 - Ad-Break: Ledn & Abundant Mines14:41 - Apitherapy (Bees): Six Months to Remission18:37 - Spectrum of Healthy Skepticism To Rejecting Expertise21:45 - 160 Interviews Boil Down to Sovereignty24:22 - Where Courage To Speak Out Comes From28:01 - Born Into the Control Matrix30:22 - Ad-Break: Trezor30:52 - Israel's Physical & Digital Prison: Cameras, Fences & No Mistakes32:54 - Heroes, Hypocrisy & Double Standards35:58 - Called a "Self-Hating Jew": Integrity Over Tribalism39:01 - Breaking the Silence on the C19 Injections49:04 - Belief vs Faith, Handling Backlash52:44 - Efrat's Sovereignty Framework: Know Who You Are56:11 - Sun Therapy & the Skin Cancer Taboo01:07:39 - Leave or Stay & Fight Dilemma01:11:08 - Living Off Grid vs the Urge to Create01:16:16 - Living in Sri Lanka and Israel01:18:23 - "Fun Is Not Part of My Life"01:22:53 - Speaking to Israelis & Refusing to Be Bought01:28:42 - Relationships, Radical Feminism & Masculinity01:38:54 - What Gives Matan & Efrat Hope?AFFILIATES→ Want to preserve your privacy online? Get a GrapheneOS privacy phone or laptop, up to $150 off “Above Phone” products + extra $50 off with code EFRAT: https://abovephone.com/efrat/ → Get 15% off “Born To Be Free” all-natural, tallow-based skincare products on a bitcoin standard, using code EFRAT: https://oshi.link/1nvZYq  → Join me in these upcoming events & use code EFRAT for discounted tickets: https://www.efrat.blog/p/upcoming-events→ Get 10% off on Augmented NAC to detox Spike protein, with the code YCXKQDK2 via this link: https://store.augmentednac.com/?via=efrat (This is not medical advice, please consult your MD)→ Watch “New Totalitarian Order” conference with Prof. Mattias Desmet & Efrat - code EFRAT for 10% off: https://efenigson.gumroad.com/l/desmet_efrat

People are very sensitive about the sun. It's insane. They've been told to be afraid of the sun, the stain indoors, that this part of nature causes cancer. They'll say, okay, cancer, that's genetic. Collitis, that's genetic. Migrants, that's genetic.

Diabetes, that's genetic. Oh, skin cancer? Oh, no, that's the sun. There were times that I had to go to the bathroom, like 10 times a day, bleeding. Wait, no, this is like, this changed everything. Nothing has came back to normal sense. My aunt died from a heart issue from the vaccine.

My father has cancer. I see young people all around me getting diseases, abortions, new chronic diseases. The pharmaceutical industry doesn't have the best interest of people. They want to take care of disease, not create healing. When it comes to health, I think a person is the one that creates his health. Have we been conditioned to think that we need to work hard and fight the system and this is where we get value? Who the fuck are you going to tell me to stay inside? Who are you?

Why are you telling me what to do? Who are you? This is insane. Everything is so messed up. everything is a fake. I'd rather be canceled, ridiculed, than to be another person in this world that just gives up on his beliefs, his values,

his ideas just to fit in because the crowd don't like that. Hello and welcome to another episode of You're the Voice. Frat here, this time, I'm in Israel. It is quite rare. And it's going to be a very special episode because I'm sitting here with a good friend of mine. You probably don't know him.

But if you're Israeli, I have about 7 to 10% of my audience that are Israeli. Of course you know him. My good friend, Matan Khakimi, hi, Matan. Hi, Matan. Hi, Afrat. So good to sit with you here. So strange to speak in English. I'm so excited. I love the preview. It got me into it. years ago or so. Yeah, in my podcast.

On your podcast. How do we even connect now that I can remember? I think you got a recommendation about me from Oshrat Kotler at the time. Right, okay, that's good. Right. I don't think she would recommend me today for anything. Really? Because of my views on Israel.

Okay. But, and she also said to me one time, she was pretty good. Like, she was supporting me until she heard my views about Israel. And then she said, I'm not sure you can even be a journalist or something like that. Wow. Like I really offended her with what I said. People tend to take things very emotional and personal. Very emotionally.

Yeah. Especially when it comes to their identity that is rooted on nationality or ethnicity or religion. Yeah. Especially for Israeli, especially now, it's like a very soft spot right in the belly. So the fact that I spoke out on October 7th was harsh for a lot of people. I know that. get that. I'm not a fan of everything that goes on in Israel, but I have to say that I'm phased by the amount of people that are spending time and energy around the world focusing on Israel.

Oh yeah. It's almost like every real on social media. It's like, oh, okay, it was a bus accident? Oh, probably the Israelis did it. It's like about everything. Right. I can say it's like someone brainwashed everybody. Right. I get that all the time, as you can imagine, because people know that I'm Israeli. So on Twitter, on the most part, I get weird comments that people tell me, why don't you do an episode about the murderous, Zionist, regime, blah, blah, blah. But people come with really hostile approach. Yeah. And I mean, if you're smart, you know that I still want to live. I don't want to be either in jail or not be able to see my family or something like that or something happening to my loved ones.

So I have to draw the line. Actually, I have a question for you about that later, but we'll get there. But let's start. For those who don't know you, I want to give a little bit of an intro, and then I want you to tell your story. So Mattan is the creator of probably Israel, most listened independent podcast called Gut Feeling, in Hebrew, Trushat Betan, author of the book, Got Rules, Courses on Gut Health, Women's Health, Manopause, and Mindset, as well.

well as retreats recently, right? You're going to tell us about your journey, so I'm not going to spoil that, but your work centers on one idea that real health starts with sovereignty over your own body and your own choices, not outsourcing them to someone else. And I think sovereignty and freedom are kind of your connecting threads between your 160 episodes or so that you have done. by the way, a similar number now. Nice. I caught up with you. Wow.

But when you come from that angle of freedom and sovereignty, you can bring like a plethora of guests from various areas. But it would all make sense under that umbrella because you're very rooted in your values. So maybe we'll start with your backstory, like, you know, maybe in New York, I don't know, in your 20s, I think that is going to be very interesting for a lot of people. So it goes back a bit further. When I was in my military service, I started having digestive issues. I was young.

I was like 19, 20. I grew up in a home where everything you had, my mom used to say, just go to the doctor. So I used to go to the doctor a lot. That was how I was raised. There was no emphasis about health, nutrition, anything that had to do with me knowing my body. That was just absent completely. Right. And then I got all these digestive problems.

I went to see the doctors, and right away, that was diagnosed with what they called ulcerative colitis, which is an inflammatory bowel disease. And they said, okay, this is chronic. It's for life. You're going to have to take medications a few times a day. There's nothing you can do about it. And it doesn't really matter what you eat or do. That was like pretty much what I've heard.

Is it a common disease? I know many people that have it, but. I guess. I mean, chronic disease in general became very common. But yeah. And then I just remember, okay, doctors, they know. I didn't question it at all. There was no one in my world that offered any type of other different approach towards health. Maybe I wasn't open for it. So I was like, okay, that's the doctor. I remember thinking to myself, hopefully one day science will catch up and they will find the cure for me. But for now, this is what I have. And I was living with this condition for about, I don't know, eight years.

And I'm telling you, there were times that I had to go to the bathroom, like 10 times a day, bleeding. Fog and terrible. Terrible. And I wake up every morning, taking a bunch of pills and then a bunch of pills at night. And I just hated myself. I hated not controlling my body. I lost weight.

I was like, you know, your digestive system, going to the bathroom is very sensitive. And already in our society is kind of like taboo to talk about, you know. no one wants to talk about their shit. Of course. So I had, and then I had it like 10 times worse than anybody else. And I just hated my body in my life. And then when I was 28, living in New York, I started coming up with some information. Different, from different angles.

Some information was about like self-improvement, you know, just understanding who you are, why you wake up in the morning. Would you have any goals? Like, what's your routine? And then some were just like articles by doctors. saying like, oh, say gluten is inflammatory. I'm like, oh, what do you mean? I mean, I eat gluten.

I have an inflammatory disease. How do I not know this? And then I saw some videos on YouTube of people saying, oh, this is how I healed my ulcerative colitis or my Crohnzies or my cancer. I'm like, what do you mean by healing? Like, what is that? But I remember thinking, okay, if this is a possibility, I want to get that. And then I was introduced by accident or by not to this guy.

an older man that lived in upstate New York. And he was called some type of a healer. And I was connected to him. I gave him a call one day. And I said, hey, I got your number. I heard you might be able to help me. So he says, what do you have? I have all sorts of colitis.

So he says, oh, that's no problem to cure. And I'm like, what are you talking about it? I have it for like eight years. Wow. And he says, yeah, so what are you doing to take care of it? I'm like, obviously I'm taking medication. Like I'm in my sense of like, I'm doing the best thing possible, you know? And it's like, oh, medication is not good.

So I'm like, what do you mean it's not good? He's like, medication take care of the symptoms, but it also suppresses your immune system. And I'm like, why did I never heard of that? Like imagine, like, 10 years ago, I'm like clueless. Wow. And taking how many medications a day? Like, what was your routine? I had like six pills that were for my digestive problems.

There were big pills. And then I had some side effects. I took something for the hair that it was falling off. and I had zero sexual. So I used to take some stuff for that. And then sometimes I had to use enema. It's just terrible. Terrible.

You're basically, you have zero control on your body. At some point, I had zero control on my body. And, you know, they offered sometimes, like, more stronger medications, and I didn't want to use that. It looks steroids, and I didn't want that. Right. So I'm talking to this guy. He tells me all of that.

And I think to myself, he just wants my money. Like, what do you, so what do you want me to do? It's another thing we were taught. Kind of like, be suspicious of anyone that is not like the traditional medicine. I was suspicious.

And also I've read some books and I've met some people and it was like, you know, just like, so I'm like, okay, so what do you do? So he come to meet me and I'm like, where do you live?

And he says like, I live in upstate New York and the Catskills. I at that point, and for most of my life until that time, didn't make much money because I didn't make much money and never left New York City never flew anywhere almost like so I'm like how do I even get there how long does think how much of the train cost that's my thought and then I'm like okay and how much all of this is going to cost me and I'm just waiting for say to say like a thousand dollars and I'm like okay yeah and then he goes uh I believe in intent so I say what do you

mean and he says if I want to help someone I don't take money I just help wow and I remember like having like goosebumps and almost wanting to cry for not trusting. I just don't trust people. And because of that, I just immediately trusted him so much that we, he also told me on the phone about like propolis, which is something that bees used to protect the hive and that it's also anti-inflammatory. So I hang up the phone. I order some propolis from eBay and I go to my medicine cabinet.

I had a bunch of medicine for my parents used to send to me. I take everything, put it in a trash bag and throw it. in the bin of my floor. Wow. Before you even started the treatment with him. Yeah. I was like, fuck this. I'm not touching this again. Wow.

I'm not recommending this to someone that has like, you know, diabetes. It just depends on your condition. But I was willing to take that risk at the time. And I went to meet him two weeks afterwards. And he is a very wise man. And he, one thing that he does, he uses bees. So apparently happy therapy is a, practice that has been used for thousands of years, that you use the bees, the sting, the honey,

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I think that's how you do it once. So ridiculous. It's great. It's a connection to nature. It's insane. So I went to him. I got stung in Switzerland. And I convinced myself that it's all okay because what Dan said so.

It is okay. And it went away after like 10 minutes. I had, I was stung two times before that in Israel. And then they introduced me to him. But I went to him the first time. He stung me like six times. I remember going back home for a week not being able to sleep. Because I had to go to the bathroom and shower in cold water because I was just like burning.

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swimming in the ocean, not in the ocean, in the river next to his home, in the cold water. I just wanted to change my life. Yeah. And I just starting to change what I eat. And then there was the bees. And then it was just the sleeping habits. and then just, I think the strongest power is the energy of like, I'm taking control. When you take action in your life, something energetic happens.

Right. So you get out of the victim mode and you say, like, this is what I want, and then the world just gives it to. That's how I see it. And you also discover or find out how powerful you are. Yeah. And that feels you with more power. 100%. And then also you become more aware to what you do.

So I'm like, okay, wait, why am I eating grass? garbage. Why am I going to sleep at 2 a.m. after I watch garbage on the TV? Like, what is, why am I doing anything without, like, really being aware of my choices? So it wasn't, like, a matter of, like, weeks, but it was a few months of me trying and then, you know, taking a step back, two step forward, a step back, and then just understanding what my body wants, what it doesn't want. But after, like, six months, I was a completely, I can call it in full permission or healing. I had, I went to do a colonoscope. they found nothing in my, yeah.

Incredible. But I don't know, maybe it took a month. It's just like a matter of like just trial and error at the beginning. You know, just understand that, okay, maybe I stop eating that ice cream that sits in my freezer, you know, and just... And you were in the trajectory to continue taking medicine for the rest of your life, basically. I think if I would stay in that trajectory, I would just probably take more and more medications with time. Because your immune system gets weaker, the medications don't work as much. Yeah.

and more conditions get developed and it's just a cycle. Yeah. And I remember afternoisseauly, I left the hospital and I thought to myself, wait. Okay, I mean, I'm happy and everything, but why did I get this disease to begin with? What exactly did I do to make it like go away and how do I make sure it never comes back? Right. And then I just kept exploring. And then I wrote a book.

And then when I wrote the book, I realized I don't know shit. And then I had to learn to write the book. And then I started the podcast and I realized I don't know shit. And then I, you know, it's funny. You introduce me and you say he has courses on menopause. I'm like, what am I listening to? How is this even possible? I don't know.

But, you know, the more I learned, the more I wanted to share the knowledge with people. So I'm not teaching about menopause. I interview people to teach about menopause. But I see a very clear picture about health. And I obviously see, I didn't talk about it much, but I obviously see how the, let's say the pharmaceutical industry has not has doesn't have the best interest of people they want to you know take care of disease not create healing 100% so that happens in colitis that happens in cancer that happens in menopause that happens with birth control that happens with sunscreen in the

sun so it became like a long journey that doesn't really end where is that line between being skeptical like healthy skepticism of the institutions and and, you know, the pharma, the medical establishment, et cetera, and rejecting expertise altogether. Like, where is that line that you draw? You think I'm rejecting expertise? I don't. I'm asking you, how do you draw the line?

Where do you say, now this can be helpful, this is going too far. Like, where is that line? If we just address Western medicine, I think ER, how do you call that in Hirom? But like, emergency, yeah, emergency, I think Western medicine. medicine is incredible. You know, if I get in a card accident and my hand falls off, I want Western medicine. When it comes to health, I think a person is the one that creates his health. And then once there's a problem with your health, you need to understand what is the problem. What am I doing that creates it? And sometimes you did something that's irreversible. Maybe it's not what you did.

Maybe it's something that you were exposed to, some type of toxin. And I'm not saying everybody could just disregard medicine in the world we live in now. But if you take care of your health from day one, you should be healthy for as long as you live. That is a possibility. But we are exposed to a lot of toxins. So then once you're exposed, sometimes you need medication. Let's say now you are diabetic and you can't create insulin. So you have to use medicine.

Why did it happen to begin with? I don't know. Maybe you got a vaccine when you were a child. Maybe you're exposed to some toxin, some mold. I don't know. Maybe it's a trauma. Maybe you need it. many, many things can be solved, healed, improved with alternative medicine.

I don't know, I don't like to call it alternative. Right. It's the real one. You have homeopathy that, you know, the Ross Child used that the England, the royal family uses, but it's being taught as if it's like not real. Woohoo, exactly. You have naturopathy. naturopathy.

How do you say? You say that right? And you have Chinese medicine and you have Ayurvedic medicine. You have many methods to use to support your body through nutrition, through acupuncture, through herbs. You also have a lot of medication

that are based on chemicals that are also good. I use like colonial silver. You know, there are many things that just the public doesn't know about. So you have some type of infection. I think, okay, I need antibiotics. Maybe you have other options. If it's a life-threatening situation, take antibiotics.

But if you're not about to die, it's not really smart to take a medication that really destroys your gut health and your immune system. Right. So obviously, if you have zero experience, this seems very extreme. But when you do step by step, when you try to learn how to heal yourself with different methods, then there comes a moment when you have an infection, you're like, okay, but I know what to do now as well. I don't have to rely on.

I think that's very clear. And I think most of my audience is going to be very familiar with all. all of that. So you're not speaking to a tough crowd here. You've interviewed more than 160 people. Can you share with me some of the most important things that you've taken from these dialogues throughout the year, not necessarily like a specific guest, but like some of the things, some of the insights, the wisdom that you've received in that process of interviewing so many people about health from almost every direction. Oh, that's a good question.

I would love to prepare for it in a way. Right. You need to think. I need to think. Okay, maybe we'll come back to you later. We can, but I'll just say that the way you explained what I do, I think this understanding of sovereignty came from interviewing so many people. So it's like when you're a sovereign being, you can look at it from the very spiritual matter.

I came here to this world from God, from whatever you want. call it, to have an experience here. And I'm the only one responsible to my life here. It doesn't really matter what people think about me. It doesn't matter, this is my own body. I can listen to ideas of other people, but it's my choice to do what I do here. And then that notion, that understanding goes to everything. So I'm responsible to everything that happens in my life.

I'm responsible to how I feel. You say something, you hurt my feelings. No, I choose to get hurt, you know. I was struck by lightning, been in an accident, being, you know, harmed, attacked, it's my life, I choose to be here and I take responsibility for dealing with it or the understanding that I chose to be here, my soul chose to be here. So it's like in every, it's in like small aspects. My health, relationships, my emotions, my choices, where I choose to live, I take responsibility for everything because I look at

myself as a sovereign entity in this world. I think that's like the one thing that I can take from everything. Yeah, I'm hearing like radical acceptance of your life and your situation, your circumstances the way they are because you're in the center of it. You're responsible for everything. I want to preface that I'm saying this. Yeah. It doesn't mean that I'm acting like this all the time. Right. That's where you come from. Yeah. I have moments where I snap and where I feel like a victim and that I'm like scared. But I try to remind myself this all the time. You're still human we haven't installed the chip in you yet. We're going to get there soon.

It's not going to happen. In my body, it's not going to happen. I said the same during COVID. They can come and shoot me and they're not going to inject this thing in me. Yeah, yeah, we can talk about it later, but 100%. Yeah. 100%. So, got it.

Okay, you said, and I think it shows that you became more opinionated or maybe more brave to speak out. That's my question. Over time, like in the last few years, as I've been observing. you and started bringing on guests with more contested or controversial views. Like you as well, yeah. What drove this change in you? First of all, I think experienced. I don't know if you remember, but I think I called you like maybe two years ago or more

when there was like this first drama from like Twitter. I wrote something about skin cancer and they wanted to interview me to the news and I was like so nervous. And then when you go through that a few times, it's like, oh, okay. Yeah, right. We get stronger. You get stronger. Yeah. It doesn't seem like so dramatic anymore. Right. Right. But I do want to say that it's people like you. And I will go like from you and I'll jump bigger like Charlie Kirk, like Andrew Tate. Like I know people don't like to hear that name, but like definitely Andrew Tate. And similar is that when you see their courage to speak their faith, their beliefs, that is really inspiring.

And I think that really influenced me when I see people and say, okay, they're willing to take a bullet, metaphorically or physically actually. I want to be that man. I rather be canceled, ridiculed, assassin, go to the jail than to be another person in this world

that just gives up on his beliefs, his values, his ideas just to fit in because the crowd, the NPCs, don't like that. Wow. Yeah, amen. Amen. Because it's, I know what it takes. It's not easy at all.

It's not easy, but I do get more courageous the more I see people that I look up to doing that as well. And I think it's needed, very much needed. Yeah, very much needed. That's why this podcast called You're the Voice, because I want to encourage more and more people to make their voice heard. It is not only inspirational and important, I think it is becoming critical. the more we progress towards the crazy totalitarian world that they're building for us. We live in a digital panopticon and in a prison if people haven't been noticing. And I think our only way out of this is poking holes in people's consciousness

and making them see how wild and extreme radical it has become. So that we can stop some of it or just pull ourselves out from the, game and start building new things outside. I think even, I'll take it a different approach. I think just having like-minded individual makes it easier. Of course. Because even if I'm not going anywhere, I'll just have, you know, if I was the only one, it would be.

Oh, yeah. It'll be hard. But then the more, the more and more people you see that are on your side, it's like, okay, I'm not just fighting, you know, evil by my own. And I'm not crazy. I'm not the only crazy one. Yeah. There are other crazy people like me.

It relaxes me a little bit, especially. as I go to Bitcoin conferences and I meet crazier people than me. Bring it on. I love that community. It's like wild, brave people out there that really don't want to be part of the matrix as we know it. I cannot say that I am there. I do have my foot in both worlds, but it does inspire me. I totally get what you mean.

It makes it easier. I was trying to remind myself that I was born to the world. the Matrix. It didn't come after me. I was born here and maybe I was, I lied to myself for a long time thinking that this is a free world and it's not. But every day, it's like, I remind myself of like, oh my God, there are so many things that are just like, is it some type of prison? You cannot, there's like so many things you cannot do if you want to do, you know? Yeah, you want to give some examples, yeah. I think I was, I was just thinking today that, you know, even. presentation wise or?

I was thinking about like the marriage constitution. Arrangement. You want to get a divorce? Oh, dude, I went through it. Okay, now you have to pay someone. They decide for you so many things. It's like you have zero control on your life.

And you get humiliated when you actually go through the divorce ceremony if you're Jewish and you're doing it in Israel and you have to go through the religion institution. It is completely humiliating, especially for the woman. You're being treated like you're his property so he's being asked by the three

rabbis sitting there are you sure you want to let her go? It's like it's only up to him. You know you're being asked a little bit but he's the one that they're talking to trying to convince him maybe to stay together or you don't want to break it because you don't matter

and we're going to get to feminism soon but it's not about that And it's just about, hello, I'm here. You know, I'm also getting divorced. No, 100%. No, I was just thinking in one way. But, you know, I ride my bicycle in Tel Aviv because, you know, it almost feels like it's a different type of jail driving in a licensed vehicle. But I go on this boulevard on my bicycle and you'll see six cops or like, like, inspectors.

Inspectors. With guns. I mean, they were, I'm saying guns because they went two. through some type of training to be able to protect people. And they're just there to give tickets to people on scooters. And it's like, what, there's no more crime that six of you are here just to give tickets? And it's like the system is not for you. It's against you in every aspect.

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And you just see how Israel is just getting more and more. It's like experimental. Yeah, it's a petri dish for many things. So once you start noticing it, you know, the amount of cameras in the street and these tickets and it's just like, what is this? And, you know, we have one of the only things we have here, nature-wise, is a very long strip of a beach. And it's slowly being cut down and fenced off and corralled into like public spaces that you have to pay for. and you only can go in that lane and know others. And, you know, my experience coming back here after almost a year I haven't been is that life is becoming really unbearable.

Like in the public spaces, you don't have much physical. I'm talking about third dimensional physical space to run to. Yeah. Right? Because, you know, all the wars and everything that's happening is like corralling people anyway into the already dense places. And then they're fencing off stuff. and putting cameras everywhere. So you kind of feel like, you know, you have to behave very specifically.

Right. Where do I go? What do I do? You know, I live in Sri Lanka and in the wintertime. And it took me a few, I think a few weeks the first time that I moved there that I have like a motorcycle. I live like in a small town. And then it took me a few weeks to realize that what is different here? Oh, wait. There are no, there are no like traffic lights. Right.

I mean, there's nothing to tell me to stop. Like energetically, there's nothing to tell me to stop. I stop. voluntarily when I think I should because it's a dangerous intersection and then even if you go to the city where they have these lights there are no cameras still

you have a responsibility to do act properly and no one is trying to take your money for every mistake it's a you should be allowed to make mistakes in life mistakes should be a part of life and this word is like no you can't make mistakes or you can we'll just profit off of it

or you can and you profit or if you are part of a system you can make mistakes and then it's fine. I have to tell you something that maybe this will piss people off, but it depends who listened. Two years ago, exactly two years ago, my best friend died in the military when he was in a rescue unit. His helicopter was trying to land in Gaza and the pilot made a mistake and it crashed and he and another guy died. After that happened, there was like a ceremony in like a university in Israel and she came there. Who is she?

The pilot. She was a woman. She was a woman and a man. But I think she made the mistake and then the helicopter crashed and he died. She is invited to this ceremony and they welcome her with applause. Because she is a woman pilot and she now is a war hero. And you think to myself, but wait, she made an accident and someone died. I think she never came to even say to apologize to the parents.

No. And then you think if this was not in the military, if she was a bus driver and she would make a mistake that will kill two people, she would probably go to jail, right? This is so wrong. But if you are a pilot, if you're in the right circle, then you become a hero for some reason. And that, I was like, I was just thinking about everything is so messed up. Everything is fake. It really just depends on who you are and what the circumstance is. but what, you know, you know?

Of course I know what you mean. And it pisses me off. Every time I hear stories like that. Yeah. I think that's the, I think in a way, and I enjoy life. I think life is beautiful. But there's so many things that are just fake in science of systems, you know? Fake, hypocritical and distorted, completely distorted.

Yeah, it's very hypocritical. I think we lost the compass somewhere. I think we just rely on, like we just, we need some ideas. Like, we need to call. the woman pilot or a pilot a hero we need that how can you look at the differently you know we need to call every soldier a hero I mean I we talked about in the beginning but how people in in the world judge Israel for their war crimes I think and you see an American saying oh Israel is evil but you

America killed a million people in Iraq a million why are you looking at a different country okay are there are there no more things to judge in the in the states that you're looking to find Israel as the oh or did we make you look good go to Iraq. So, I don't know, it's like people, no one wants to take responsibility and everybody's looking for a story to rely on to justify their belief system. And just everything just feels fake. And yeah, and I get what you're saying.

And I think people are just choosing sometimes the easier way. So for Americans, it could be easier to just look at someone else and not themselves. Same for Israelis. It's very easy for Israelis to look at. 100% you know, Palestinians or whatever or anyone else but us. And when I come out and I call out the crimes of Israel, they say, you know, they can't call me an anti-Semite. It's impossible. So they call me a self-hating Jew. A self-hating Jew. Self-hating Jew. How is that? And I love myself, especially in the last few years when I've done a lot of work.

Maybe you also love Jews. That's fine as well. I do. I had a boyfriend for nine years now. I'm Jewish. You like me as well, right? We're fine. I mean, my family, my friends, my son. I've noticed that when... The point is that people cannot look at themselves and see where we can criticize ourselves, where we can criticize others.

It's not about the nationality. It's not about, you know, I'm anti-that-is, pro-that, what side am I taking? It's about being in integrity with being humane, appreciating life, honoring, and respecting people's dignity and right to live and live with dignity and not just kill for the sake of killing, for the sake of someone's wars and someone's agendas to happen.

If you're grounded in that integrity, then you can call out anything, even your own. But people find it very hard to accept. First of all, this entire country is raised on a belief that we are, you know, a very, first of all, the most moral, you know, military in the world. and that the only reason we're surviving is because we're fighting the enemies

that want to kill us. There's no discussion about the industrial military complex that just need to make money in pharmaceutical companies and political and geopolitical agendas. No one's looking at that, which is fine, I get it. But it will just collapse your entire identity

if you start judging the system. But what I've noticed is that when you have a claim that people can't comprehend or don't want to accept, they'll do one out of two things. that it'll try to cancel you the person that you are or the person that you are.

All they'll try to take that information and just get out of context. Oh, you said something? Oh, so you're just self-fahating Jew. What does it have to do with what I said? Why don't you address what I just said? Ad hominum, completely. You can just refute that, no problem.

But why are you talking about me or a different theory that happened? And I find that that happens to me all the time. Yeah. It's almost impossible to debate anything because no one is actually addressing what you said. Yeah. Because the debate itself,

is very painful. Yeah. So they don't want to go there. Or they just don't know how to debate and use their voice. That's right. And probably going into such debate would require some studying,

some work, and some humbling down. Maybe you'll have to admit that you're wrong about some things. People don't want to go there. But then they probably also think the same thing about us. I think I've humbled myself

several times during the last few years. No, not about humbling, but when I talk about like a vaccine, it'll be like, you need to study more like, I studied. You think you study maybe you have, I don't know. It's like I'm not trying to say someone's wrong. Come on, people don't.

And speaking about vaccines during COVID, you didn't speak much about the injections and their harms. And later, I think around 2023, I noticed you increasingly speaking about it more, more often and make people more aware. And I felt that something opened up. and which I congratulate you for, and I think it's amazing. I know many people found it hard amongst your listeners because they were probably ones that have taken those vaccines. It was hard for them to deal with that. But I'm sure it was a process.

Do you want to share with me like what was that process like to decide to do that? And I know you're getting a lot of flack for speaking about the topic of vaccines. you recently just released an episode about that on your podcast. I've seen some things in the last few days. I've seen also, we have the tennis player, Djokovic, that didn't want to get a vaccine, and he talked about it, and he was willing to give up on, you know, the world title and being bad out of Australia.

And I thought, like, that's such an impressive, man. And then I've seen something else. I think about maybe one of the big soccer players, I don't know if it was Roland Lino. I'm not good with the names. But also something that was from like 2021, that he said something about it. And then his sister replied on Twitter, this is the biggest scam in the history of the world. And I was like, and I've seen this in like the last few days.

And I thought to myself, I wish I have spoken like that back then. But back then, it was just the beginning of my awakening. So I was very afraid to speak. I've seen how people lashed. I lost friends. Right. When I spoke in groups, like WhatsApp groups of friends, I was like. dashed out at, so it seemed like there's no much point, maybe.

And I didn't really understand much. I knew I don't, intuition said, don't do it. There were some doctors that talked about not doing it, and it made a lot of sense. Just, you know, there was this Israeli professor, Yoramlas, remember him? They used to bring him to the news to ridicule him. I think that's what the news does. They'll bring you the truth, but they'll make it sound like it's stupid. Of course.

So I really, I listened to him and say, okay, this makes a lot of sense. I mean, I have an immune system. Let's let that do the work. We have a herd immunity. Let's try that. Why inject something that's experimental to your body? And then, in a way, it got out of, it stopped being popular and did talk about it. You know, it just kind of faded away.

And then I started understanding, you know, when people kept talking about COVID after COVID ended, at the beginning it was like, but it's over. Why are you talking? And then it's like, wait, no. It's like, this changed everything. Nothing has came back to normal sense. My aunt died from a heart issue from the vaccine. My father has cancer. I see young people all around me getting diseases, abortions, messed up period, new chronic diseases.

I see it. And I'm not saying diseases came from, all diseases in the world came from this, but something is different. So then I started like going deeper into it. Yeah. And then. And then, I don't know, with my confident, with stuff happening, you know, online, there's a desire to speak about it more and more. And I feel that recently I have even more and more, like I want to talk even more. That's great.

And I think it's never too late. No. I think people need to understand what we went through. And I think you're very right that nothing is the same as it was since it started in 2020. And when we met in 2022 or three, it was three, I think. Probably. Yeah. And we talked about, we talked extensively about money, but we actually talked about mind control propaganda.

And we talked about some of the climate change agendas and the global agendas. And I think the reason why that episode resonated with so many people in Israel at the time was because someone was willing to open a window for them to something they have felt but did not know how to articulate. Exactly. That's what I learned from you. Right. And I did that for them. And I was careful, if you remember, not to go into COVID too much because it was so sensitive at the time in Israel. I did speak about it on my own channels, but I didn't want to do it on yours. But I felt like this opening is showing people that it's okay to ask questions.

It's okay to be critical. It's okay to go beyond what you're just being told on TV. It's okay to just like expand your horizons. Because not only, I mean, many people speak about awakening in a spiritual sense, which I definitely concur. But there is the intellectual side of getting awakened. So you're discovering, as you said before, all the places where you're misaligned or not aligned with your true purpose and

integrity you're not you're out of integrity and you try to bring it back in and you see the hypocrisy and you see the lies and you see many things so also on the intellectual level there's a layer of of awakening that happens that if you stop your awakening process in I'm just spiritual and you know I love doing ceremonies and taking medicine like a natural medicine and stuff like that and and I love doing like you know sound therapy and stuff like that but you never look beyond to the intellectual part 100% then you're you're like lying to yourself somewhere because it's like there's more to life on the spiritual side but there's not more to life on the here and now because you're still living in this world you can't ignore it

I don't want to be Buddha. I'm sitting here. I can't ignore it. It's like people think, oh, now I'm spiritual, so I don't care about anything. Exactly. And especially for people that know,

like you, like me, I think, like many of the people that listen to this, that they have a role to play in the coming years or decades in this world. Like, they came to this life

for a purpose. They know that. They may not know exactly what they're going to do, but they know they're here to do something. If you are in that position, and you're choosing to ignore many things around you or not wanting to know,

not wanting to speak, all that stuff, you're like selling out for yourself because you're not going to fulfill your full potential if you're not going to, like, be real with yourself that you're not telling the truth to yourself on all the different layers of becoming truthful and sovereign. I think it's just part of it. I mean, I was observing you because I knew what you thought about the vaccines and all that stuff. And I was thinking to myself, I never said it to you before. We said it now on camera.

I never said it. But I was observing and I was saying to myself, he's doing such a great job. So smart. He knows where to go. Like he's in the right direction. But he's afraid of the heat to like put his finger in the fire. He's afraid of poking that demon too much. And I can't wait for that demon to blow up for him.

Because, you know, then. And then I think. you went through this beautiful journey in the last couple of years of, like, expanding your intellectual understanding of what's really going on, the different systems, different players, the different, like the mechanisms and the relationships between them. And I'm so happy that you came back full circle to the vaccines, which is your, you know, it's your pillar, health. Uh-huh.

100%. Right? But you had to go through something to get there. I was definitely afraid of the heat. And then also there were a lot of times where I thought to myself, you know, it's a matter of like self-understanding, you know, but it was like, what is my agenda here? Do I want to wake people about vaccines or do I want to teach them about healing? Do they have to come together? Is this benefiting my business or not? Right. There's a lot of questions, and I still have these questions, but I've heard a beautiful talk the other day by Charlie Kirk. He did this talk in front of men, and he said something about how he met this guy, and this guy tells him, wow, I wish I could have speak like you telling the truth, but I'll lose my job. He says, like, why don't you? He says, I'll lose my job. He says, so what? And then he says, well, it's scary. And he's like, so what? And he's like, oh, I lose my money. He's like, so what? When you finish your life and you go to heaven, what are you going to tell them? I was afraid to lose my job. That's why I didn't speak.

Bingo. I love that. I love that. I was like, that's fucking right. That's what I said in 2021. I said they're going to fire me and bring it on. They're going to put me in jail. Bring it on.

I'm saying you, I feel nausea. I feel nausea when I think, oh, I can't say something because I don't want them to cancel me. I'm like, fuck. I can't. Right. My entity does not allow it. Right. You know, and obviously, the more you grow, the more you make money,

then you become more confident, which is also important. There's a big process of like being, allowing yourself to speak. you see, Elon Musk. He says whatever he wants to say. That's even, I mean, that's like 10 steps. Well, he's got a different level of protection. I'm saying, yeah, yes. I'm saying, like, the more protection.

So also we can talk about, like, protection from God. Like, if you really believe that he's helping you out, he shouldn't be afraid of anything. Right. And I think that's like the last part of my journey when I'm trying to really understand. I had this type of guardian around my life. And the more I took action,

it even got better. So I'm like, okay, if I want to take a step forward, I need to trust the process, you know? 100%. So that's like, that's my thing, like just trusting that, you know, I have like I have a guidance and the guardian and everything will be fine no matter what I say. I was listening to Alan Watts talk a couple of days ago

and he was discerning between belief and faith and saying how faith is really, rooted in trust, whereas belief is like on a more superficial level. You're like, you believe someone. You agree to think a certain way. That's like a belief. But faith is putting your trust there. It's like a way deeper level. And I love that distinction, right? Because that's what I feel. You can believe in terrible things as well. Right. Or you can believe something that your mom tells you, right? Yeah. And then you can change your mind later. But when you have. faith. It's like it's a knowingness. It's way deeper, stronger. I think that's, I think that's

the different, like when I think, I don't know, like, when, even if it's vaccines or healing or sunlight or, let's say, climate change, when you have faith, these things become non-issue. If you think the sun makes, causes cancer who don't have faith, if you think the world is going to collapse on you and the only way to save it is because we stop using strong. You don't have faith, you know? If you think disease controls you and you need medication, you don't have faith. If you think the only way for the human population to survive is by injecting a substance to your muscle in your shoulder, you don't have faith. I believe that I was sent here for a reason and that everything has some type of logic behind it without any other, you know, help from any type of industry or whatever.

That's faith. But if people don't have faith, it's very hard to transcend that to them. Beautifully said. I love it. Thank you. We both face resistance, criticism. We talked about it a little bit. Where do you draw the line? How far are you willing to go with your truth or your knowledge?

And how much do you factor in potential backlash before you speak? I always think through, like, what is this going to cause? Actually, many times I'm surprised that the things that I didn't expect do cause backlash and the things that I wanted to cause backlash, don't do anything. I know, isn't that funny? The thing that I won't talk about are the things that are really not relevant to what I'm doing. I chose the path of sovereignty over my body, and I don't think I need or benefit anybody if I start talking about the war or about politics,

right now at least. You know, maybe it will happen one day. It depends on where everything goes. but I think it's important to have some type of agenda, you know, so I won't get lost inside of it myself. So for now, it's more about your entity, your body, the way you use it, and then also rejecting what is irrelevant or the lies that are being sold to you to try to separate you from that. So when it comes to health, your body, your mind, being in control of your life,

but if it's about like, you know, about what I told you about, like the police and, and giving you tickets or the war or let's say, you know, I don't know, less, you know. There are many things that I know that I feel strongly about that look stupid to me, but I'm not going to talk about it now. It's really relevant to talk about if we landed on the moon or not. It doesn't really help me. It's just, I don't care about the heat, but what is that heat going to help me right now, you know? We can debate it forever.

Right. No, I totally get that. you talked about being sovereign. And I recently did a presentation in Prague about my sovereignty framework. And the first layer was the spiritual layer, spiritual, physical, digital layers of sovereignty. And I spoke about, I mean, you know, it was an audience that is not very spiritual. So I had to like kind of match my words to the audience. So I said on the spiritual level, if you don't know who you are, it's very easy to destabilize you.

but knowing who you are I don't mean your name and address and ethnicity and religion and where you live and all that crap I'm talking about why are you here and what's your gift to the world and are you acting on that gift and what are your values and what is your mission in life

and once you are grounded in those things it is very hard to disable you so even when they come at you with ridiculing with threats with I don't know you're going to lose your job like the example you gave you Charlie Kierke and all that, all that doesn't matter because you know who you are and you know that what you stand for is way more important than any external threat or risk or any of that.

I'm not saying be irresponsible. I'm just saying, you know, it's very hard to destabilize you. And that is, to me, some kind of spiritual sovereignty because you're rooted in your mission and your values so well. that it's very hard to get you to compromise, to get you compromised, right? No, I love that. What you said. To blackmail you, to threat you, to, you know,

to sell out on your truth, on your values. I think what you just said is... You should watch my presentation. That was my dad, though. It's beautiful. I love it. You know, I get to think a lot about education, you know, if it's from the system or from your parents at home. Right.

And when you look at people, I have friends that are parents. I don't know how you parent that are wonderful parents. They love their kids, but they don't really teach them anything. No one ever taught me what it is to be a man. I don't see people teaching women what it is to be a woman. I don't see people telling their kids, okay, why are you here? Asking these big questions, do you believe in God, you have faith?

Why do you think you came here? What do you want to do with your life? These are questions that are not present in our life. So then obviously most people don't know. I never thought about it myself until a few years ago. And then when you start asking these questions, why are you here? Why are you doing what you're doing?

What is your purpose? These are big questions. But once you allow them to come to your life, it's like, oh, okay, wait. So if these questions are relevant, everything in my life is relevant. If these questions are non-existent, then yeah, I can just go to work for a corporate

from nine to nine until I die. And it seems logical because now I have health insurance and pension plan. And it all seems like, oh, wow, I won this. I won and you're depressed and sick. And sorry, not trying to generalize. I know a lot of people do these jobs and they're happy. But I'm talking about the big thing that's happening,

that people even don't understand what it means to have a life with meaning, you know, with a goal, with, you know. So, I mean, that is something that's super relevant. Once you start contemplating these questions, your life become more meaningful. And you act in a more meaningful manner. 100%. I love that.

But okay, I almost don't want to talk about diet and stuff, but we'll see. I do want to talk to you about the sun because it's one topic that my listeners have been familiar with as well. A lot of Bitcoiners are very well versed in the light therapy mode and they always say go touch grass and go watch the sunset or the sunrise. I've had various doctors on my show that have spoken about that in the past. I know you are speaking about that topic a lot. Can you share a little bit what's the best way to approach sun therapy, like when it comes to light?

Why do you think that is something that people often skip? And why is it so useful? And maybe why is it so sensitive? Because I know you're being attacked a lot for the cancer thing, like the skin cancer and all that shit. People are very sensitive about the sun. It's insane. Why is that? I think, you know, there's a Plato's terrible about the sun.

Yes. But the people that are in the cave and then one scaves and says, oh, you have to come outside. It's beautiful. And they're like, no. Yes. I think it has something to do with that. You've been told to be afraid of the sun to stay indoors,

that this part of nature causes cancer, which is a very big thing to tell a person, you know. And I think it's one of the few, it's crazy. You look at Western medicine. They'll say, okay, cancer, that's genetic. Colitis, that's genetic. Migrants, that's genetic. Diabetes, that's genetic.

Oh, skin cancer? Oh, no, that's the sun. It's like, what? Like, how did you come to that conclusion? Right. So, first of all, when you look at the data, there's no real conclusion, no relevant conclusion.

No one ever took a person, a human being, to the sun and correlated it with skin cancer. There's actually a study that I read not long ago. They did like a big study on 470. thousand people to try to understand what are the causes of skin cancer. And then they write in the study that they found a paradox that the people that have skin cancer also used sunscreen. And obviously because they are scientists and they have to in a way adjust to the system, they try to find

inside of the study reasons why this is happening. So they said, okay, one theory is that people that use sunscreen stay too much time in the sun, which is actually a good theory because when you put something that's not blocking the sun, but it just filters some parts of the sun. Yeah, that's not a good idea to be a long time in the sun. When I'm without sunscreen, when it's too hot, I just go to the shade. Right. And then the second theory, they said that people don't rub it again and again every hour. And it's like, what, you're trying to protect now the sunscreen? So let's talk about what they didn't say. So melanoma has been correlated 100% with lower levels of vitamin D, which you get from the sun. Right. So,

not exposing to the sun will cause you skin cancer. That's why you see people that live in London, never seen the sun develop skin cancer in their groins or in their foot. And then they say, oh, it's from the sun. It's like, wait, what? There is no sun in London anyway. That area never saw the sun. You're pale as you're. Right. It's insane. So that is one theory. And the other theory, it's like, why don't you ask the question? Wait, maybe the chemicals that are in sunscreen, maybe that's what causes because when you look at the ingredients, some of them are carcinogenic.

So it almost seems like people are trying to do their best not to see the actual proof, you know, that chose something different. But let's just take a step back. You know, there's nature. If you just eliminate all infrastructure, buildings, cards, we are part of nature. There's human being, and nature, we are one.

Part of nature is sunlight. So the sun is definitely a very strong force. It gives without interruption endlessly. It's a very masculine energy. It doesn't stop giving, but it also can be too much. We all know it. You can be too much in the sun. You get dehydrated.

You can get burned. If you stay in the car, you can die. But you need to understand the limits. But in general, it leads life. No one likes darkness. The light enters your eyes to the soul. That's how you see everything. That's what gives you energy.

You're happier. When you're in the sun, We'll address in a second why people don't feel that. But if you take a human being to the sun, you let them, you know, lay on the grass and get some sunlight on them. For a few seconds, it feels amazing. Then maybe you get warm. You start sweating. Maybe you get burnt.

But it feels amazing for a reason. And then there are many reasons that makes it unpleasant for people. First of all, there's the fact that we don't spend time in the sun. So the average person will get up in the morning, be in a car, be in an office. and then maybe on the weekend we'll go to the beach and because it has no the body doesn't have any relation

with the sun, it will get burned because there's no gradual introduction. And then you have your nutrition. The studies on rats that show that rats develop skin cancer is, first of all, they use artificial light, UV light from like, let's say,

yay high, like it doesn't make sense. And then to prove it, they had to feed them with a lot of seed oils. So the average person eats a diet that's very oxidative, inflammatory, seed oils, you know, fried foods, processed foods, and then that allows alcohol, all these things create sunburn and then then worse conditions. If your diet is based on antioxidants, fruits, vegetables, etc., then your body is more ready for the sun. And then the more you expose gradually,

your sun creates a pigment called melanin. That's why I'm dark now. The more you do it gradually, you become dark and then that's also an antioxidant and it also protects you from the sun. Yes. So it's like a very big... Also protects you during flights from the radio. True. Yeah. I saw that recently. I love it. That's why before I get on a plane, I get sun-tanned. I just learned that recently. It's amazing you know that.

It actually is felt. I've done it several times. So it's very clear to me why some people will find the sun very troubling. If they don't expose the sun at all and they eat it. bad diet, et cetera. They use sunglasses and sunscreen.

But if you have a relationship, if you wake up in the morning, get out to the sun first thing, a few minutes, and then maybe

you see it in the lunch break, and then for sunset, then you have a relationship with it and then it will never burn you completely.

You're not supposed to be pale and white. And I just so you know that when I started talking out loud about these things, I had a good friend of mine that was a big part of my

beginning, he helped me create the podcast. And he told me once a few years ago. He said, Matan, listen, you know, you're doing a good job, but I'm telling you, people are saying things, you need to stop talking about the sun thing. It's too much. Stop talking about it. And he's like, I'm telling you about myself. When I go to the sun, blah, blah, blah, I can't, I'm white, look at me. And I don't remember what I said to him, but two years

after that, he tells me, you were right. I get up every morning. I go out to the sun. Look at me. I have a tan. It feels amazing. I feel better. He had gout. This feels better also. And you need to experience in a good manner gradually, and then you understand how powerful it is. But basically, vitamin D and other aspects are extremely crucial for your health. You need the sun. It makes you happier. People that are in the sun are less depressed, you know, they have more energy, they have less diseases. I think they found in a study that lower levels of vitamin D were associated to almost every disease existed.

Amazing. And then they tell people, don't be in the sun, put sunscreen from chemicals, and it's like, so I talk about it. Yeah. I think it's great that you talk about it and please continue. I try. It is super important, especially in a country like this. One of the only things we have going for us is sun. But then you look at this legacy toxic media and they started creating these like.

No, no, no. They create fearmongering in the population. So now there's a new thing talking about it's like a new thing, like a level of like. UV index. Index, yeah. Now they talk about the index. It's a new thing. It's high and low of radiation.

I know it's a new thing. The sun is there. Go, if it's too much, go back inside. Put a hat. You don't need it. You don't need another meter to tell you something. But they got everyone, they got it normalized during COVID when they showed you numbers of cases on the TV, right? How many cases?

What's a case? A case is just someone that has been next to someone that has been positive on a PCR test that doesn't test anything anyway. But they normalized the fact that you. You need data and science relies on data on the TV. That's the way you believe to science today. You know, when I was young, I'm 39. When I was young. Still young.

Yeah, but when I was like, you know, when I was like, I don't know, 10, 15, growing up in Israel, I remember summers are hot. They used to have this like the weatherman. And there was going, okay, this weekend, I don't know, 38 degrees. I don't know, making this up, the highest possible, 40. and it was like marked as like sunny, green, beautiful. It was like a positive thing. Now it's like 32 and it's red because you need to be scared of it because it's too much. Yeah.

Now you need to be afraid. This is like because of climate change. Now it's dangerous. You need to stay inside. I'm like, who the fuck are you going to tell me to stay inside? Who are you? Why are you telling me what to do? Who are you?

This is insane. And I think that's why COVID is so relevant. Yeah. People who were accepting the government telling them what to do and no one said like, no, you know what? This is too much. I don't accept this. And look now. It's just accelerating. And there's more and more rules, mandates, crazy ideas, things that we would never think would be allowed that are happening. And no one's saying anything because people cannot.

They're too, you know, they're under the water. They're just trying to swim and survive. They cannot. There's a new documentary on Netflix on 9-11. I haven't watched it. I just saw this trailer. And I don't know if it's like a good one. a bad one, but they said one interesting thing.

They said that since 9-11, the United States and the entire world has changed. And it didn't change on the efforts to fight terror necessarily. It changed about the way we treat people in general. Secure airports. Exactly. Secure places, public places. I was arrested once in New York for flying a drone, and they said, I was like a threat, a terror threat.

And it's a fucking, you know, it's a small drone that you can buy and be an age. It's like, so these scenarios that change the entire world. So 9-11 was one of them. And then COVID is just another one. And people think, oh, no, it's to protect us. It's to save us. It's to, you know, make our lives better. It's to clamp down.

Yeah. No, we know. Your rights and, yeah, introduce even more. But listen, also, I think Joe Biden said once about, like, people that are against the government that like say it's something like yeah when we have F6 scenes when you think about the world you live in

we gave so much power to the government and now they have a military so if you want to fight the government they have you know of course they have the power so it's very hard to fight it you just need to find a way to enjoy it like a game

that's why I think most Bitcoiners understand that you can't fight it you have to build something new outside that system but is there what is the outside What's outside? What is not part of it? Oh, that's a whole other story. Invite me to your podcast and let's talk about it. Oh, you know? Is there a place that I don't know about?

No, there is no one place. There are many bubbles. Oh, okay, not like a country that we don't know about. Well, there is one called El Salvador where it's easier than anywhere else. But, you know, it's not perfect. And it's still a third world country. But there are some smart people there. I think that if you want to escape Western civilization completely, it's fine. But I don't know if I want that as well, you know what I mean?

No, I don't think that there is a perfect place today. No, I'm talking about do I want to be really off-grid for my life? Or do I want to be part of the system and fight it at least or play the game? That is a good question. Yesterday I had a conversation with two Canadians that one of them is in Alberta that wants to separate from Canada. The other one is in Ontario. And they're both anti-government in a way. And they both decide to stay and fight for Canada.

even though they hate the current government and the prime minister and all that and they think the country is going to ruins they still decide to stay and fight so we had a bit of a discussion about that how do you decide if you leave or you stay and fight you see me I'm leaving like I'm not staying here

I've decided that two years ago already and I've started nomading and I still under the opinion that for me that is the best thing to do but maybe you're leaving Israel you're not leaving the system You're still doing these podcasts. You're still doing your thing.

That's what I mean. Like, do you want to be off-grade completely or do you want to still be able to influence? It's an interesting parallel or topic, what you're saying, because is it the same staying and fighting in a country to staying and fighting in the matrix? You know what I mean? Is it the same?

I think it is in a way because when you decide to make such a big change in your life to move to another country and not because you're trying to just improve your lifestyle, but because you really suffer from what's going on in the country you're leaving. Or because specific values that you don't want to be part of. Right. Then you're necessarily also trying to leave some part of the matrix behind you. Because there's something that in the place you're leaving that you cannot take anymore, you cannot bear anymore, or you feel like a hypocrite or it's too much. So I think it's very similar in a way to leaving a country and leaving the matrix.

Because leaving the matrix, there is no such thing. No, what I meant, you know, some people like they just go live on a mountain in Costa Rica, let's say, without cell phone, without Wi-Fi. You're talking about off-grid. Yeah. Right. And so living off-grid is a personal choice. I don't think everyone can live like that. I'm thinking.

It's very hard. It's very hard. I lose my, you know, what... Comfort? No, the... I think it's like losing what I was meant came here to do, you know? It just would be too easy in a way. Really interesting.

Too easy. What I'll do is just I'll cook food and raise my kids. I think you'll also be bored. I don't know if that's what I mean. But that is not easy. Being bored is hard. Oh yeah, no, but it's like a,

it's in a way that, you know, everybody can do nothing, you know. You're saying it's the easier way out. I get that. I agree with you. And actually I have a question about that. So this is a perfect segue. Because you did,

you did mention in that last interview of yours that I watched with the Utah that you have a conflict between living in nature to lower the levels of stress and on the other side your urge to create to share to impact people why does that live as a conflict for you why can you not have both why do you see that as an either or it's not it's not like nature it's like it's about this awful weird thing I think you know I think I think I think the I think there's a question in general that we can, you know, contemplate it's a philosophical question, but are we, have we been conditioned to think that we need to work hard and fight the system and this is where we get

value or satisfaction or maybe actually just raising a family off-grid should be the meaning of life and that's it, you know what I mean? It's like, it's like what is, there's no right and wrong. Absolutely, and I think it's a very personal individual question. Exactly. So I think that's where I find my answer is within you. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, there's a chip on my shoulder to keep fighting, but it creates also stress and a lot of negativity sometimes and, you know, also satisfaction, but it's just like an endless cycle. And then I think, well, maybe when do I say enough? Why don't I just go, I mean, I live in Sri Lanka, but why don't I just really go somewhere and just surf all day long and raise kids and eat good food and be happy, you know, just enjoy life?

Why am I staying here and fighting this? It's a question. My first question is really why, Mutant? Why? You'll share with me. And second, why do you call this fighting? Is it fighting? In a way, when you have a lot of, yeah, when you choose to say what you believe in and it doesn't correlate with, you know, if I want it just

to be popular, I could just also fight the same fight. It's like, okay, listen, where Israel is being attacked, and we need to fight the good fight, and I'll be very popular in Israel. But you are popular. You are becoming popular for speaking out as well. Yeah, but in some in some, you know.

No, first of all, in some circles. Second of all, because I don't talk about everything that I think about out loud, you know? I don't know that you're fighting. I think you're using that word. I think you're fulfilling your potential. No, 100%. I mean, like, I'm also fighting just because, you know, I pay fucking 50% tax. And I'm fighting because, you know, just everything is just annoying and people are angry.

And, you know, it's just like, there's a lot of stress also in my life. Right. It's nice sometimes. And also sometimes it's like, fuck this. Right. So why don't. you then? Because you are living half half, half Sri Lanka. Yeah, but also when I'm there, I do the same. I still hustle the same.

You work a lot. I still, you know, yeah, I work on my computer half of the day. So I go surf in a nice beach and have waves in Israel. It's wintertime. But I'm not like genuinely doing like the off grid, off technology, which sometimes seem like it could be amazing and then also it could be challenging, you know, just being with a group of same people every day and just cooking and, you know, enjoying my kids, whatever. I guess I'm not there for now. Well, I can answer you for myself why I am not doing that because I'd be bored.

I'd be bored. I mean, I do want to grow cherry tomatoes. I do have a dream that I'll have a beautiful garden somewhere next to a river and I'll be growing some vegetables in my garden. But if I only did that, there will be something missing for me. I need that intellectual stimuli. I will not get it just from... you know, walking in nature. You know, maybe it's a...

Maybe if I'm on mushrooms all day, that would be different. No, you know, you know, these videos where they ask people when they're on their deathbed, what do you wish you have done more? And then it's like, oh, just like spending time with my family and doing less work. And then it's like, maybe it's a cliche. They ask only some certain people, you know? Maybe if you ask someone else, it'd be like, oh, I wish I'd just kill more people or just, you know, fight the system or I don't know.

But it's like, okay, what is the purpose of life? but we still don't know. Right. I think it's just experiencing and being fulfilled and satisfied with what I choose. And if I am experiencing what I came here to do and fulfilling on my, as we said, gift, purpose and all that stuff, then I'm very satisfied. And I try to blend in in a good amount the relationships I need, the love, the family, the friends.

I think what we're doing will be less exciting in like five years. I think like the amount of talk. Let's bookmark this and come back to five years from now. There's like so many talking heads growing online. It feels like every other person is like talking. So it's like it will be very hard to be relevant, stand out. And then it just will lose points. Something will have to change.

Yeah. We may also be bored of that. Yeah, exactly. So I'm saying like for now I'm still doing it because I feel like stuff are still happening. But I think you're an entrepreneur. And I think you'll be doing other things. if not that probably

in a few years time. But it may just look different. So speaking of Sri Lanka, so you chose to live there part of the year. Why did you not choose

to just leave Israel completely? Why are you doing half and half? First of all, you know. If I may ask. Yeah, no, I'm an open book. First of all, in Israel, I still have my parents. And I like Israeli people,

you know, I like the language. It feels like home. So coming here for a few months, something I enjoy so far. When there's no war. Of course, yeah, 100%. Choosing Sri Lanka was not a choice that I made completely from full awareness. I didn't, I don't know if I ignored it because I wanted to achieve a dream, but I didn't really think to myself, okay, what is this country?

What is going here politically, tax-wise? Right. You know, is this the best choice? I did choose it because it's a tropical country because it's relatively, close to Israel, it's like seven-hour flights. If you need to go to Mexico, it becomes 20 hours. So it was relatively close, and there was a lot of opportunities. But now that I get to know when it comes to tax, to work into the banks, to, I don't

know, even the political energy or the energy of the Sri Lange people, it doesn't feel like something that will probably enjoy long term. I think it's like a few years' experience, and that will be it. If I would have to choose again, with everything that I know about the monetary system, probably choose like Panama. I don't know enough about El Salvador, but there's something about Panama would like, you know, don't pay tax and all of that. It still has dollar and a lot of Jews and close to the States. Maybe that would be a more, a smarter choice, but then I probably wouldn't come to Israel as much. I don't like the flying so much. And also,

I work with Israel, so then having the clock, you know, like when it's, the time difference between here and Chinanka is like two hours, but if it's Panama, it becomes a whole day. Got it. Well, I'll tell you how Panama is on my next trip to Central America. No. Oh, you go to Panama also? Yeah. These are my places to check.

Beautiful. You also mentioned we're almost addicted to suffering for their rewards it brings. Is that related to like having that, you know, we talked about that conflict between living in nature to working hard and. When did I speak about suffering though? In the same interview, you said that you think that we are addicted to suffering because of the rewards it brings. Is that for you, is that related? Like, do you need to work hard to almost feel like you're suffering to reap their rewards from your work? I can't remember exactly why I said it, but I think in some parts of the day, in general energy, I suffer.

because I take a lot of myself, a lot of stress, a lot of projects, a lot of deciding to bring my truth, get backlash. I think in a way, you know, I became,

I stand for something. I'm known for something. And I just talked with a friend yesterday. There was a time in my life when I began the podcast that I was just like a beginning, a new journey of my life. I add an episode every week. And then for income,

I used to work for this company that I used to create videos for because I have background in like film. I made a tenth from what I make now, and I was so happy. I was so happy. I used to go surfing every morning, come to the office at like 12, either record a podcast or make a few videos, end my day, thrilled with life. Thrilled.

And the more I grow and take more challenges and more opportunities, I suffer more. It's more stress. And it's like, I don't really enjoy life as much, you know, because it's like, it's always like, okay, another project, another time. you know, and I want to do so much things. And so I can't say that like life is fun. Life is satisfying. And I think I chose a role in life, which is to stand for what I believe in.

You know, it is like a sense of duty. Right. But fun or chill is not really part of it anymore. Uh-huh. Wow, that is super interesting. I wasn't aware of that. I thought you're having more fun than that. No, fun is not a part of my life at all.

Wow. Yeah. I really struggle having fun. No, but hey, don't say it all. You've got new family, like new babies in the family. Listen, I'm having a great time sitting with you now. I love you as a person. You're smart.

You're challenging. I mean, it's not that I'm, but the general sense, it's like I'll enjoy something because, okay, if you would want to sit for a coffee, it will be harder for me to create that compared to this. Because this is work. Yeah. But also, I did. not come here to gain anything. I came here because I think you're a smart person and I wanted to do this with you,

but I enjoy doing stuff when they have a purpose. Right. So everything becomes a thing of like, okay, wait, does it benefit anything or not? And having a coffee is it like, no, okay. You know? We get to shake you and bring you back to like. But a lot of my relationships are based on creating. Like, you know, a really good friend of mine is helping me with the project in Sri Lanka.

I love her to death, but I rather work on the project than just have a coffee and talk about life. And then on, in the same time, we'll just talk about life sometimes, but I like doing stuff with people. I'm like very goal-oriented. Wow. It's easier for me to justify something, but it has like a clear motive. Wow. Yeah. I didn't know you're like that.

Yeah, there's like I, there's like a theory by Carl Jung. It's called the personality types. And one of the personality is the producer. It's very common in Israel because. You learn from a young age that you are relevant. You get a good grade and your parents are like, oh, amazing. And you get a bad grade and they disregard you. Yes.

So it's like, okay, I need to be producing something to be relevant. So it's like my entire nervous system is not relaxed when I'm doing nothing. Right. So even if I'll go to the beach, I'll meditate or I'll just take a board and surf a bit. So it's like, okay, I did something to my body. I did something to my mind. It's funny because meditation is supposed to be like the antidote of that. Meditation is doing.

Meditation is doing 100%. Wow. Like doing nothing is just like sitting in the sand and just playing. I'm doing in meditation so I'm doing it. Yeah, it's definitely a doing thing. Yeah, wow. Nothing is just like nothing. It's like playing in the sand, just chilling, you know, just enjoying someone without doing nothing.

That's like nothing. It's very hard for me to do that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I love it. I love that you're authentic about it. Why is your mission of healing the Israeli people who are willing to listen, of course? Right.

Why is that important for you? Why did you choose that? Because you could have decided to go on a global trajectory with your English, with your, you know, with your background and everything. That's a great question. First of all, I lived in New York on and off for 10 years from when I finished my military service until I was 32. Exactly 10 years. On off, it was like a complete on for like five years.

And when I was there all the time, it was very, I didn't really find my place, you know, with Americans. And when I started creating content, I still lived there. I wrote my book in English. But just something didn't really feel natural. And then when I came to Israel, things started to really happen. I think I have, even though I'm really enjoying speaking in English, I have this a sense to like, for the Hebrew word or for the Israeli people, that's something that I feel a part of. Strategic-wise, I think what does Matan Khakimi has to bring to the American people when you have so many smart people that bring.

these voices from all around the world. Why should I go there? And I think my voice is more impactful in Israel. So it's a matter of like an identity where it just felt like there's a rhythm that just happens naturally. Interesting. And speaking of that, you also chose not to take any sponsors for your work, for your show from the moment you started, right?

Right. And that is a very conscious business decision that relies on your business generating whether it's, you know, digital courses, subscriptions or retreats or all that stuff. Why did you decide to act that way? And do you ever, you know, question that? So I'll tell you something that I've learned recently. I've interviewed someone for my podcast. It's from what it's called the 12-step program for like a...

For like rehab? Rehab. Okay. So they have the 12 steps and they have the 12... For anything, right? not just alcohol. Yeah, for anything. So they have 12 steps,

and they have also, I think 12, what they call the, like, morality or something like that. Okay. Virtues. Virtues. And one thing that this system does and it doesn't allow money to be part of it.

So no one is paying. Okay. They can't have any sponsors and they can't have anyone paying for anything. And he said it something in a way, that's something about, like, no one can be bought. And I think that I realized

that in that moment that I didn't take sponsors because I don't want to be bought. And I know you have a very special case, but for me to have, when I saw anti-establishment, when it comes to medicine and food, and to have people telling me what I can't say or can't say in my podcast, I didn't allow it. But it created a life for me that I had to work a lot harder.

Yes. Maybe it influenced my name. I don't know. When people want to try to refute my identity, they say, oh, he's just trying to sell. digital courses. But if I would just take sponsors, they wouldn't say anything.

Yeah. Or they would. They would say, oh, he's taking money from this and that. Yeah. So I am working hard, too hard, in my opinion. It would have been really nice

to just have an episode, getting paid a lot of money and not having to do a lot of courses and lectures and whatever. Right. But at the same time, I feel like my episodes,

their ideas, their conversations, are not time relevant, they're timeless. Absolutely, people can listen to them. I don't want someone to listen in 10 years and hear a commercial. That would just disgust me, you know?

It's not like YouTube that the algorithm can change the commercial. It's the same commercial I did now that would just stick in the same file forever. So something inside myself doesn't allow me to even contemplate on that. But if I would have like someone, you know, saying, I don't know, I don't know what you,

but if I had someone saying, oh, I want to support you in any way without having a... First of all, that exists. Patrions. Right. People do do that. I'm not talking about the platform Patreon. I'm talking about people being Patreon.

Yeah, so if someone would offer that to me, I would love that, but I never made any effort to find that. No one ever offered that to me, and I didn't think of me I should find. Sure. Obviously, that is everyone's dream to have a Patreon. That doesn't want anything from you and just wants to support you, regardless of the outcome. The sponsorship part, just from my point of view,

is great as long as you can vet and filter the sponsors to be in alignment with your own values and know in advance that they can never tell you what to do with your content. If they agree to those things and you vet them and say, you know, I believe in what you do, it's like I'm in alignment with that. then for me it's great.

I mean, and I've turned down many sponsorships, and I've taken only the ones that I believe are. So I'll tell you one thing, and maybe this is a limiting belief, or I haven't checked enough, but when I used to listen to podcasts that are kind of similar to mine in the States, in the States you have incredible company

that generate enough money, but they're still not a corporation, and they do good. If I'll collaborate here with some type of these companies, well, they give me like 100 bucks for an episode, that's not worth it. Of course. So I think if I had a good company that would pay good money, I would just, I'd probably do it.

You will consider, yeah. Well, if they listen, they should think about it and give you a call. I think it's healthy to check it out. Okay, wow, that is, we've covered a lot. I do have a few more, but we'll keep it. You know what, I do want to ask you one last question. It's about relationships because I think both you and I are kind of grappling with that area at the moment. And so it's, and I think it's very relevant for people.

You are grappling with... Oh, dude, I've been single now for a year and a half, almost, yeah. You came out of a long relationship. Yeah, nine years. So I'm now... The grappling is kind of weird. But a year and a half? Nothing?

Like, nothing? I'm ready. But you're traveling constantly. I know. I know, but I meet a lot of people. By the way, that's something that's became really... I got out of a relationship not long ago, but understanding this Sri Lanka. thing is an issue.

I realize that I'm finding someone that's being like, okay, we met two months ago. You want to move with me? It's like, oh, it's harder. Right. It is harder. But it's possible. No, for sure. Anything's possible.

So. Especially, I think, me offering someone to get out of the state of war and. Yeah, right. Come with me somewhere else. A tropical heaven. Yeah, no, it's not a big. It shouldn't be an issue, dude. I read your last newsletter.

I read your newsletters. I think they're great. Do you remember that I told you to start a newsletter? That we walked on the beach together. I don't remember that. And I told you did. But thank you so much. Of course.

And you said, really? I said, of course. You should totally do a newsletter. And you did. You started like a week or two later. It really improved my life in the sense of like the ability to express who I am, what I feel. And I became like I'm a really good writer. It's insane.

I'm just saying it because I'm not saying it like as an eye. Look at me. We talked about my substack. And then I shared with you, like, why do I write? I just want to say it so it doesn't come off like I'm thinking I'm amazing. I'm just saying like writing every week for a few years really got me to. I can write a newsletter in like an hour. Just like give me two ideas and I'm like just write it and it's happening.

It's like, you know what they say? You do a thousand hours. It's like kind of like that. Yeah, yeah. It's a masterful. Masterful job. Skill for sure. So the last one you did, you spoke about feminism.

actually I think what you spoke about was radical feminism and where it has taken us and I totally agree that in light of the agenda to destabilize the family unit which I believe behind it there's even a darker agenda to maybe depopulate and really control how humans multiply in the world we are seeing many other symptoms as well

radical feminism is one of the teenager gender ideology is another sexual education from a very young age in kindergarten or schools is another one. And all the way to like, you know, the crazy shit we're seeing with pedophilia coming out of the Epstein files and all that. And I think it's all related. A lot of women are just being brought up to hate men. Also is very.

Absolutely. The mind control, the indoctrination around it for sure. So let's touch on that. Where are you seeing the impacts of those agendas? influencing how you are experiencing relationships, like dating, like, you know, trying to find, you know, a woman, a wife or whatever. The relationships between men and women. What has happened to?

First of all, I'll say that many of the things I write about are just things that I think about. I don't necessarily have an opinion. Right. I just think about them out loud. I realize, you know, we talked about it earlier, that I wasn't brought up. up as anything. Like, no one taught me what it means to be a man. No one told me what should I expect or not expect from a woman.

And I first of all, realize about myself that I don't even know how to hold my masculine energy inside of a relationship. I'm just starting to understand that after my last relationship that I wasn't playing the car drive. I wasn't being the man I thought I was inside the relationship. Right. And I think at the same time, my ex-girlfriend, didn't really understand what it means to be a woman and what is her part.

So I'm not blaming any agenda. I'm just saying like no one taught me what I should expect, how I should behave or what is the purpose. But I know I've seen myself going through a lot. You know, I think when I was about like 18, it was the first time that a woman told me, oh, you don't need to pay for me. I want to pay half. It's like, and then you find yourself for some years actually wanting to pay half or

wanting her to offer to pay half because you think that. make sense because why should I pay for her? And then you, you know, I came up with people like Charlie Kirk and then they said like, why should you let her pay? You want to, you know, you're the man. And it's like, oh, wow, there's so many pieces of information when we all think different things and, you know, it's so many triggers inside of this. So I think what I'm taking to my life is that, first of all, I'm understanding what type of man I want to become. And I think that a man should be very stable, consistent, understand that women are emotional,

different creatures, and you need to stay strong no matter what and be very strong, consistent, present. Yeah, which I wasn't. I used to allow every mood swing to be like, oh, maybe she's not the woman for me. Why is she so moody, whatever? And it's like, okay, wait,

I need to bring some type of energy to allow her to also be confident and relax. and so that's what I'm learning first of all. But I think we're all, not all, but many people are very confused because no one really taught us about that. So I'm in a sense of exploration. And I think the more I get like more open

to also religion a little bit, I see that even in a clearer way. I'm not talking about like the wedding or whatever, but just like, okay, this is my part as the man. I do want to be able to provide. I do want to be consistent and then strong, et cetera. And then when I look at what type of woman I want,

I'll find myself seeing that women that really, really want to work very hard, but it's very hard for them. It puts a lot of stress on them, and they don't even know what to do. On the one hand, they want to be a strong woman, like they're being taught. Like Beyonce told them, you know, they want to make money, but also it's not always for them. They don't have the skills, but they're super stressed.

And then also I've been in relationships where the woman didn't do nothing. just like, oh, I just want to be a mom and do nothing. And then she's completely bored or dependent on you, not like financially, but just like she doesn't have what to do with her life. So everything you do or don't do rattles her world. That's also not very healthy. So it's very, it's like a big question. It's huge topic.

It's huge. It's huge. And I'm not coming as like, I know, I don't know. Right. But here I can find a lot of humility to say, like, I don't know. I just want to become better at this. I think it's a beautiful exploration. journey, even though I've had two significant relationships in my life, my ex-husband and my ex-boyfriend,

I am learning. I am learning too, you know. I definitely don't know it all. And what happens from one cycle to the next is that I know me better and I know what I'm not willing to compromise on anymore and I can humbly admit where I have been selling out on my own values or dignity, self-dignity, self-worth, self-respect in some of those relationships and recommit to myself on what I will not take any longer from anyone in my life. At least that's what I'm aiming for, right? I still do not have the next relationship. But all I can do is, is, you know, learn me better and then come to the next relationship more mature, more stable, more wise, I would say. I think it all comes down. Like we talked earlier about, like, you know, asking these questions, you know, what is the purpose of life? Why am I here? So then it's like, what is the purpose of a relationship for me? Like, what do I want to gain from it? What do I want? I want to give. Why do I even want, why do I want that woman? It's because she's sexy. I don't know if that's long-lasting. I don't know if that's really what I need. Can I admit to myself that maybe I'm unstable and I need someone stable? That I'm afraid of to be abandoned and I need someone that's very consistent. I think we need to also ask our questions, as these questions ourselves, because maybe I'm attracted to something, but that thing doesn't really support my needs in life. So then you need to be really honest with yourself and also be really strong against your own.

all of your desires that are not necessarily compatible with what you actually need. 100%. I think it does get easier with time the desires thing as you grow up because you kind of, I don't know, just something changes. I feel like I'm okay with like facing the temptation of some stuff and not acting out of phomo and just, you know, I need to go to bed. So I go to bed instead of like doing stuff that I will regret later. it gets easier.

I meant like in the sense of like even choosing a girlfriend because she was just like cute and sexy and not necessarily because she's. Sure. No, I get that. That's a yeah. And for men it's, I think it's hard because it's very compelling to select, you know, a young, beautiful woman. And also sometimes just very hard to be alone and just want to fill that up, you know, really quick. But then see if you fill it up quickly and not because of the right reasons, then it's like you're in the wrong relationship.

Right. Life can be very confusing. I think we can agree that we can meet here in a few years' time and talk about relationships after we have had some success again. For sure. Amen. Okay, so, Mutan, what gives you hope? What gives me hope? I think, like, maybe the desire to have a family for now and good people that are like-minded or in. inspiring me, and I see them doing good stuff.

I think those are like the two things. You know, it's crazy. It can also make me sad. I'm super sad that Charlie Kirk was assassin. I think, like, he brought a lot of hope to a lot of people because he showed us how people should behave, and especially how leaders should behave, and they wouldn't allow him. So they took him down. And it's very clear that he would probably become president.

And I think he would also change the world because he's an honest person. So, but basically people like him. they've been taken down or really give me hope and then I think the desire to just have a a cell you know a family a unit yeah well maybe you need to be the next charlie kirk maybe you need to discover the next ones maybe because we we there are a lot of good people out there and what gives me hope is to see people like you doing what they're doing um I love your work. I love you. Thank you so much for coming. Wow, this was incredible. Really. You're really good at what you do. This is amazing. Thank you so much. I love this. I was waiting for it for a long

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