You're The Voice | by Efrat Fenigson - The Artist They Called a Traitor - Monika Bravo | Ep. 119

Episode Date: January 25, 2026

Monika Bravo is a multidisciplinary artist, polymath, writer, evolutionary astrologer, bitcoiner, and freedom maximalist. Born in Bogotá, Colombia, she spent her mid-20s in Europe studying fashion design and photography before moving to New York in 1994. Since 2020, Monika has focused on her public art, trauma & consciousness studies, human design, Austrian economics, somatic practice, and astrology, integrating them into a unique philosophy centered on liberty, value, and self-awareness.This profound conversation explores Monika's transformation from a fragmented artist conforming to the system to a sovereign individual who found wholeness through Bitcoin. We dive into her childhood rebellion against religious conformity, her journey through public art and breaking free from galleries, the moment her artist friends called her a "traitor", and how she integrated the various areas into a unified practice.→ Please like, comment, share & follow — to help me beat the suppressing algo's. Thank you!– SPONSORS –→ Access liquidity without selling your Bitcoin with Ledn — learn more at https://ledn.io/Efrat→ Get your TREZOR wallet & accessories, with a 5% discount, using my code at checkout (get my discount code from the episode - yep, you'll have to watch it): https://affil.trezor.io/SHUn→ Have you tried mining bitcoin? Stack sats directly to your wallet while saving on taxes with Abundant Mines: https://AbundantMines.com/Efrat - Claim your free month of hosting via this link– AFFILIATES –→ Get 10% off on Augmented NAC to detox Spike protein, with the code YCXKQDK2 via this link: https://store.augmentednac.com/?via=efrat (Note, this is not medical advice, please consult your MD)→ Join me at Europe's largest bitcoin conference - BTC Prague, June 11-13, 2026. Code EFRAT for 10% off: http://btcprg.me/EFRAT→ Be good to your eyes & health, and get the Daylight tablet - a healthier, more human-friendly computer, zero blue light & flicker. Use code EFRAT for $25 off: https://bit.ly/Efrat_daylight→ Get a second citizenship and a plan B to relocate to another country with Expat Money, leave your details for a follow up: https://expatmoney.com/efrat→ Watch "New Totalitarian Order" conference with Prof. Mattias Desmet & Efrat - code EFRAT for 10% off: https://efenigson.gumroad.com/l/desmet_efrat→ Join me in any of these upcoming events: https://www.efrat.blog/p/upcoming-events– LINKS –Monika on X: https://x.com/BravoMonikaMonika on Nostr: https://primal.net/monikacoMonika's Website: https://www.studioofendlessideas.com/Efrat's X: https://twitter.com/efenigsonEfrat's Channels: https://linktr.ee/efenigsonWatch on all platforms: https://linktr.ee/yourethevoiceSupport Efrat's work: ⁠https://bit.ly/zap_efrat– CHAPTERS –00:00 - Coming Up..00:56 - How We Met: The 4-Hour Miami Coffee04:36 - Monika's Bio: A True Polymath06:24 - Public Art & Breaking Free From Traditional Art Control11:55 - Ad-Break: Ledn & Trezor14:23 - Monika’s Father’s Death & Trauma Healing20:40 - Childhood, Schools & Resisting Religion27:22 - From Healing Self to Teaching Others31:48 - Ad-Break: Abundant Minds32:59 - Chart Readings, Astrology Practice & Avoiding Dependency42:01 - The Lowest Point: Suicidal Thoughts on 26th Floor45:25 - Austrian Economics, Bitcoin & Money: How It All Ties Together56:40 - Reading Graphs & Markets Analysis58:42 - Ad-Break: Expat Money & New Totalitarian Order Conference1:07:07 - The State of Human Consciousness & World Events1:15:40 - Monika’s View on Trump & His Administration1:22:45 - Monika’s Channels & Next Book1:26:00 - Efrat's Chart: Voice as Purpose & Destiny

but i didn't know i had a big hole in my heart because i kept them going i didn't tell anybody for four years the pain was so big that i didn't want to put myself in a state of like vulnerability until bitcoin i was fragmentized i saw that bitcoin was going to take me to another dimension the artist friends that i had said that i was a traitor to them i should be out in the street protesting so you started doing these things to fit like you stop being you and you want to fit into the system if we're still attached to an energy that is dirty that everything that it takes its wars and and pain and and inflation and like corruption why do we want to relate to that frequency i think that bitcoin wants to get in you're like wow there's hope

Hello, welcome to another episode of You're the Voice. This time from El Salvador. We are at Adopting Bitcoin. I have my really good friend here, Monica Bravo. Hey, Monica. Hey. Thank you for doing this with me. I love it.

I love it. And thanks for doing this with me in such a weird, chaotic manner. This is not like my normal way of recording a podcast episode. Yes, I do do that in conferences, but not after I've been going five or six days straight. So thanks for like being very flexible with me as I make this happen. Yeah, I trust you. So that helps. Thank you, dear.

Okay. So we have known each other for a year now. A little bit more. Yeah. A little bit more than a year. Yeah. Keep track. Right, right, right.

So yeah, we, the summer of 24, we met when I saw you on Instagram and I said, I need to know her. It was that simple. Like I looked at your content, I looked at your colorfulness and the vibrance that was oozing out of your page. And I'm like, okay, it feels like she's, she's like related to me in some way. I need to meet her. and so I approached you and I told you that I'm coming to Miami and you told me yeah I live in

Miami I said oh my god let's meet and we did and what was supposed to be like a one hour coffee meeting turned out to be four hours in the bakery yeah in this bakery and recognizing each other because I think we know each other for centuries exactly so that's why it lasted four hours because it was clear for both of us that we need to continue talking and that there's more to uncover there and since then we were friends it was that immediate connection it was like we recognize each other yeah totally yeah and and that's beautiful and I think I told you the first time we met that there is something in your eyes that feels familiar like my family yes that my family's eyes like we have this like a lot of people look at photos of my different family

members and they say straight away oh my god you're all the same like you all look the same you have the small nose and these big brown eyes and everyone looks the same in your family so it kind of felt like that when i met you yeah it is very for me it's very mirror-like because i know you know this but when people recognize that we're friends they always say are you related right you have the same eyes they always say the same eyes because i think there's something very intense about the gaze but at the same time playful uh-huh and uh yes yeah it's a little bit of the mischievous with like oh i got you like you don't want to fall in my net but okay it can be fun if you do you know that's exactly so and i i really relate to you a lot because you

have the level of the seriousness and you're very systematic and organized and i really appreciate that and very meticulous about many things but at the same time you have the lightness of a like childlike that I can just connect and we can do goofy stuff at the same time but then we dive into very profound themes and it's like okay let's swim out yeah like the meaning of life and the next part is like we're hungry what are we gonna eat yeah it's beautiful yeah so thank you for your friendship I really appreciate you and I appreciate spending time with you and I really appreciate the support you provide for me whenever i need a piece of advice or or direction i know i can always count on you and approach you and you'll be there for that so that's really it's

my pleasure yeah it's really beautiful so i want to tell my audience about you in case they don't know you and then we'll dive into the questions there you go all right so monica bravo is a multidisciplinary artist empirical polymath writer evolutionary astrologer bitcoiner and freedom maximalist i definitely have left out a few titles like austrian economist lover born in bogota she spent her mid-20s in europe studying fashion design and photography before moving to new york in 1994 where she developed her artistic and taoist buddhist practice for over two decades she represented the vatican pavilion at the 2015 venice biennale yeah that's oh my god and was awarded i think i knew some of it and was awarded the civitella

visual arts fellowship in 2021 yeah since 2020 monica has focused on trauma work consciousness studies human design austrian economics somatic practice and evolutionary astrology integrating these disciplines into a unique philosophy centered on liberty value and self-awareness today she lives in miami beach and shares her work through art writing and her sub stack she She has a blog on Substack and the books she writes, exploring themes across shadow work, myths, Bitcoin, natural law, and the pursuit of individual sovereignty. I think I did not leave much out. The drama, yeah, public art. Okay, so let's start with that.

Talk to us about your public art. What do you do in art? Okay, so when I started doing art 30 years ago, I was just like the typical artist in New York that, you know, gets a studio. praise every day you're going to have a show like some curator is going to find you or some museum is going to invite you for the show so I did the whole thing and I started developing my own language and I did for many years I was that kind of artist that I will create a body of work and then I did find a gallery and so the system was very different than now because now is everything is very now now now but then there was this idea of like putting things through time so I will

create bodies of work that it will take two years three years to make and then they will give me an exhibition they will try to sell all the work and it was sometimes you have a catalog a book catalog something that it was like it was taking time but then 20 20 the year 2001 and onward like everything started with all this craziness with the art first and so gallery started asking craziness of what of art first where the galleries have to get into an art fair and go like gypsy from one country to the every week pretty much like a traveling circus yeah but it's more like the conference every week there's one and so it was great because more people saw your work but it was really detrimental for the work because you don't have the time enough to really complete and

mature and then you're stressed out because you have to produce something that is going to fit in that corner and it has to go oh like along the rest so you started doing these things to fit like you stop being you and you want to fit into the system and i knew when that started happening like this is not going to be good for me so at around the same time for whatever reason I was asked to start doing commission work and at the very beginning I didn't like the idea because I didn't want to be told what to do obviously but then and in commission work they tell you what to do no they give you money they say look we have this space we have this budget and this is more what we want and so I had a very good galleries at the time and he said to me let's sit down and

have lunch and I'll tell you he said you're very good at limitations so take this and also it's an opportunity for you to bring something forth as opposed to start fighting with the person he's going to own the work but he's giving you the chance to create what you want through that so I was like ah okay so I said yes to the first yes to the second and then I decided to specialize like that because I don't need a galleries to do that I can I find another way So I started doing public art more or more or less around the year 2010. Okay. So it's been 15 years, a little bit more than that.

Yep. 2009. And then I realized, oh, if I'm going to leave the art world as I know it, I have to unplug from everything but this. So I have to become my own agent and look for those jobs, which is what I do. I have, you know, I'm chosen out of like a pool of a lot of people. I have to give presentations. Most of the times they pay me for those proposals. Very competitive.

out of like 10 or 15 things that i do a year i get probably one and so has taught me not to take things personally but to really excel at my ideas and channel them so once i get accepted and sign a contract then i'm given one two years to produce the work and then i hire people okay to do mosaic or glass or if it's an animation i'll do it myself but i hire myself so it's it's like the whole production got it so for a few years for a few years and can you work on a few of them oh yeah yeah i can do that how many more i think that the year 20 2021 i had like almost four it was it was running at the same time yeah and i had a very good uh can you give some examples of like what kind of places yeah what kind of like just very so people can like visualize what we're

talking yeah so there's an art program in the united states called one percent for art and this was created in the 30s by roosevelt uh was a whole part of like socializing culture and it stayed and it's interesting because every federal building or state building that needs to be renovated or needs to be built such as schools universities subway stations airports you name it hospitals They need to allocate 1% of the total cost of the building to art. So they have an agency that takes care of that. So I work for the governments. Is that in the whole of the United States?

Yes. Or just certain states? No, it's the whole United States. All states. But every state has different regulations. Okay. Because they have a government. And they have, you know, some states are more difficult to work with than others.

So I work for the states. they have an agent that is my kind of like um handler in between but he works for me or she works for me because they have to be the translator of like all this bureaucracy and i learned to work with these people because i have a side that is very um so new york is one so new york i have some ways yeah uh i in recently you did a university in uh and seattle seattle woke country, woke central, woke central, I have to say, I'm sorry. Yeah, at the University of Washington at the Interdisciplinary School of Engineering. That's one. I just finished a big one. I think they're finishing installing this week at the hospital in San Antonio, Texas. So

there's seven murals. I just finished it, but I don't have to produce it. They're going to do all the stuff and solve me. What about the subway? Ever find yourself needing cash, but refusing to sell your Bitcoin? That's real life for many Bitcoiners. Because most Bitcoin sales aren't financial decisions, they're liquidity decisions. And that's exactly what Ledin solves. Ledin is the global leader in Bitcoin-backed lending. They've issued over 10 billion dollars in loans since 2018 with a perfect track record for protecting client assets. Here's what makes Ledin different. With their custodied loans, your Bitcoin collateral is not lent out to generate interest. No

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ephemeral and they're going to keep on having the animations every now and then in new york is in prospect avenue brooklyn yes okay grand central station then i have the big airport and what's the name of it san paul minnesota is a very good hub and it's beautiful everybody send me pictures from there because they know look because my name is there and so a lot of people just so my number one group of listeners is from the United States so my listeners if you're ever in one of those areas and you see one of those artworks please take a photo and send it to Monica or to me or both that would be amazing it was a very important one for me because of the circumstances was the East Boston Police Department in 2020 when the whole country wanted to defund

the police okay I took that job and the artist friends that I had said that I was a traitor to them that I should be out in the street protesting and I shouldn't work for that and I said no this is a great opportunity to create dialogue between communities that they don't know and so that's when I studied trauma circling non-violent communication I said I have to stop and learn how to speak to be eloquent to listen to people and that really brought in everything to me that was like it was a gift that i was giving that so let's carry on then art we can talk about this for a whole podcast but let's put this aside for a second and move on to the work you do with trauma and consciousness and mentoring people and astrology i think it ties in right so can we

talk about these these yeah so i always been very so why do you do that why do i why do other people or why why why do you find an interest in the psychology of humans in the human action in bringing trauma into the surface and and healing it with people for people for yourself of course yeah why do you why do you why are you attracted to that well I was kind of driven to it unconsciously at the very beginning my father died when I was eight so there's something that it opened like a like a big hole in my heart and but I didn't know I had a big hole in my heart because I kept on going can I ask what he died from yeah he went to buy a pack of cigarettes and he never came back and I was a car accident yeah super traumatizing because almost like the next day I went to my mom

and I said mom I know you're busy with the funeral everything but I need to change of school she goes what and I said I can't go to my school people are going to make fun of me so I changed of school immediately at nine years old eight eight years old and now I know with the studying trauma and everything and it's like the pain was so big that I didn't want to put myself in a state of like vulnerability where not having a father I thought at the time it's going to make me less and and then I just changed of school and I didn't tell anybody for four years until somebody that moved from the old school says hey Monica how you doing like I know Monica from before i remember when her father died and every the whole class went like what and i said

i was okay i was already like liked and everything but it was uh it was hard so it took me years to kind of realize that if i carry that hole i'm not gonna be okay and so it's i started doing i never really went to the shrink or anything like that when i was little because i i i was traumatized but i was uh disassociated from the trauma i remember the funeral i did not go to the funeral house why i didn't want to see my father dead oh shit i i actually wanted to fantasize and i did like that he ran away and then i could use this against my mother i know i'm saying terrible stuff but that was what you know you you just do that and so my mom when she was being hard on me i was like mom you know dad didn't go he just left you know pain and she says no he died i said

no i didn't go to i didn't see him because i decided i don't want to be that reality so i kind of like i disassociated and i didn't know how bad it was until i started doing all these trauma practices in 2020 because i thought i had a happy childhood to be honest i was like oh yeah my father died like casually i guess you did have a happy childhood but it was built in a certain way yeah and protection yeah it's just like you don't want to do it and so i so i was curious and then i went through life my 20s was okay i was very high on like ambitious super ambitious so i was always very oriented in like what I want to do and very disciplined and but this thing was there but it was it became my drive like I don't have this so I can get that so it was all about

ambitious like going to New York achieving this doing that oh I cannot do that I'm gonna try it but then I got married and then when you start relationships that are intimate you start seeing the gaps and you're still seeing that you also attract people who probably have the same gaps and he had a lot of like same kind of gap he didn't have his parents that died but they were not there for him right in another way so after a few years seven years it's like we're just mirroring this and and that's when at one point in 2002 I used to be like not healthy at all like drink a lot or smoke a lot like be completely in a different uh state of mind and then I think I was 38 and i started having dreams that i was not okay physically and i decided okay i'm gonna go

to an acupuncturist i was not an acupuncturist so i found the teacher that was teacher and i um he said he said how bad do you want to change and i said like from here to to the moon and he said do you trust me and i said maybe yes he goes close your eyes and he taught me how to stand up with my hands like this like everything he says do this every day and I said what are you what are we doing he says come and ask me another day so I think I did like one month of doing what he told me to do and then he says you like it and I said this is Qigong you want to train more and so he started training me and I started understanding cosmology from that perspective but I knew that it was a long road to heal because I was kind of like healing here but not here but it was only

after my marriage failed and 2020 really i said i have to do this so right i did a lot of work with gabor mate and that changed everything right because that's when like i thought oh my it's not that i had a bad childhood it's like i was not connected to a part of myself so i reconnected to that little child that it was scared and then i brought back seven monicas all of a sudden 2020 now we're like 19 because we start bringing all the little girls that I abandoned and for those that don't know you it's so accurate because you know it doesn't matter how old we are like a number the the vitality and the and the dynamic dynamism that comes out from you and is just so young and joyful and it's a lot of imagination yeah oh yeah very creative very yeah this has a

lot to do with my mom i i have to really acknowledge uh her because she was a great educator and she had a lot of wit and she was amazing she's crazy amazing like really out there but she always said to me and i think she was you know deep inside a big big corner in the sense that she said you want to be happy i said yes well you have to make your priority that you choose the right thing he was telling me she was telling me this from the very beginning your life and happiness depends on you so wake up and do make your things happen so i never look up to say am i doing the right thing i was like mom i'm gonna do this and she was like okay and i remember a story that i read in your book uh which is called the nature of my reality which is a great book and i recommend

people to go and buy you said how when you moved schools and you moved to the new one you kind of gave them a condition like you interviewed them like you came into the office the principal office and he said look i'm i'll move here under the condition that you don't tell me to do any religion work and you don't force me like you don't force your opinions on me yeah and i'm kind of free to bring who i am to this school and unless you confirm this sign here here and here i'm not coming to your school like was that what it was and you were nine but yeah yeah that condition was more what the school but it was on my mom because I said to my mom like I need to change school because the day after my father died it was very traumatic because he went to

get the cigarettes and then my mom kind of learned that he was dead through the phone but in a weird way so she was so nervous that she sent us to school so we took the bus we went to school and all of a sudden they start acting weird I'm really since very little very perceptive so I saw that this the nuns and the other people like and they will come to the room and everything and they said they would call me little monica i'm like what did they want because they didn't like me but then i was like the little monica says come over here and i said what's wrong where's my dad so he immediately knew something was wrong and they said no let's go and play and i'm like i don't want to play i want the truth so i i made a big fuss and so one religious teacher she started

saying your daddy is in heaven and like she told me that he died in a way like it was not even my mom so i was like bullshit get me out of here and i took my two little sisters and i called an aunt and i said come and pick me up so by the time i get home everybody's there everybody crying like like it's a disaster and i'm like okay i'm gonna get hold of this so i i knew that everybody was being very that's why i didn't want to stay in the same school because everybody was being very like treating me like a victim uh-huh like this in power like oh you don't have a daddy what are you going to do or your mom? And I'm like, don't. So I said, mommy, I'm, you know, I only need one thing. I need to change school. And she was like, okay. And I said, don't worry, I'll do it. So I

went and I interviewed three schools. First question is like from one to 10, how much is religion? Is it every day that we have to pray because the other school we have to pray. But in the other school also, if I remember correctly, you said that they were, they didn't like the fact that you were very chatty and very playful and they would tie you to the chair to kind of hold you so you wanted to make sure that the new one is not as bad as so i learned masking tape in my mouth on your mouth yeah i actually might put masking tape on yeah that was my relationship with masking tape is not the one i have right now that i use it for art stuff it was in my mouth shut up literally literally i used to like play with my shoes so they would take my

shoes and put them on the on wow on the hanger then i realized that i didn't want to go to mass and the only way i could get out of mass if i do pp in my pants but i was such a good like since i was a toddler i was very independent so my mom would say like how weird she's so good and says no she pees every day like two minutes before mass i will i will open my legs and go and then yeah i know you have to get i'm sorry sorry guys unbelievable you did that to get out of mass okay and then but they wanted to shame me okay and so they took my underwear that has my name make it wash and hang it in the middle of the field so then i was like okay they already know that i peed so i will flash everybody so then i was punished i was one punishment after the other

what a rebel oh my god it's like i don't want this so that's why mommy look and why were you resisting mass so much because they told me a lie what then my father was in heaven within three minutes i said how did he get there got it no he's in heaven everything is gonna be fine no nothing so that was after he died in the day they were trying to no no but the whole the whole behavior like your resistance towards mass was ongoing for a while was it before he died or no it was it was before and i told my mom i don't want to do these things and she was like i'm my why did you resisted so much what happened in mass that was so bad for you okay so this was the deal my grandmother i think she's in heaven because she prayed so much she's in heaven literally she

made herself okay my mom was supposed to be a nun because in a good catholic family of nine children one devoted daughter has to be a nun and one devoted son has to be a priest okay so my mom and she adored my grandmother she said okay i'll be the but once she got there she's like i don't want to do this so she actually escaped from that okay met my father got married and so she had a weird relationship with she never went to mass she never spoke anything so that's why you were suspicious of it yeah i was a little bit like mommy why are you taking us to church do you drop us and then you go she's like i i got things to do but pay attention to the sermon because granny's coming today she's gonna ask what they spoke about can she go to mass every day

so I was like she's a cheater she was always I'm busy I'm busy so I just saw that there was like she didn't really have it my father was like disconnected from the church so I thought why do I have to pray and do these things when I don't see my two parents only my grandmother so I thought she my mother was doing it more for the fear of my grandmother or something it was not real So it was your intuition and your senses that kind of guided you to stay away. Like, it smells bad. Got it. Okay, thank you.

That's what I was looking for. Yeah, instinct. All right, so let's keep going with your attraction to healing trauma then. What happened after you, after 2020, doing work with Gabor Mate, that you have resolved things for yourself? and then what led you to continue doing this with others so the thing is this is like ever since I have learned new things in my life and this is something I learned from my mom it's like if you really want to practice something you have to teach it that's the best way uh-huh and I agree

fully and if you love it you will teach it right yeah it's not like absolutely so for for a long time I didn't want to teach anything because it was not that I was not that passionate although I love doing art but I was not passionate about teaching art like no you go to I didn't even go to art school so I'm not going to teach the only thing I tell people is like don't go to art school that's my teaching in art just find out the thing so when I was giving that big commission for the East Boston Police Department in 2020 and I found so much rejection from my peers and they they didn't they never asked me why are you doing this they said you shouldn't do it and so that got me more curious why shouldn't I so they say because you know the police are bad people and I'm like

maybe but what about like what is the result and so I thought you know what I'm just gonna go dive into this rabbit hole and try to understand the communities in pain like I want to see if the community where I'm going to do the work which is happens to be a very small community of Salvadorians is the biggest community of Salvadorians in Boston the neighborhood and Colombians so the people that I was going to be talking about were like from my country and from Salvador so I decided to go and and talk to the main leaders of the communities and they were very open for a workshop I wanted to do so I wanted to do something hands-on where I will because I had done some somatic practice which is like like when you do therapy the old way you always sit down and

talk and talk and talk and the therapist like I mean you pay and you go but with somatic you actually start understanding where is that pain in the body so I learned that and I thought this is a great way to be connecting adults like from the police force with their children everybody's afraid with other people who are in the community that they're afraid that they're going to be killed like it's like fear right and uncertainty is there right and because of my father's death I have a very good connection to death I'm not afraid of death I'm not afraid of difficult situations I just go okay let's do it this is confronted so I learned how to be a facilitator I did many different courses to see how it is how can you listen to somebody say something and not

judge just give them space so I learned how to hold space and because I'm an artist I became I came up with ideas of how to create certain situations where we can have a conversation and build something together so I thought that the best way to define that piece of work was if I will construct these hanging sculptures where the people that are going to be there have to move around so this speaks about changing perspectives so the workshops that i did it was all about finding the right words for what they feel and then put it into into these mobiles and made by my paper and and use the words to express so one idea that came out that he was very frightened this is very old policeman 60 over 60 he's about to retire but he's still there

the new building is full of glass around and he cries in the middle of the session saying i don't like the new building because we're going to be vulnerable for people coming for us and i thought that and everybody everybody was like wow we were all crying in the in the workshop because he showed his vulnerability and i was like people are scared and so i thought if i can bring to communities the hope that we can actually speak by listening to one another so that's when i thought this is very huge by yeah by listening listen in dialogue yeah you know you create a dialogue and then you can disagree and that's fine actually argumentation is one of the most important things but you don't have to go and kill the other person oh yeah and

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How do you put it into practice today? Like, okay, so I do charts readings because I'm an astrologer. So I'm like people that know I don't advertise anything. So it's word of mouth. And I also do a lot of manifestation because I don't want to just have anybody come to me. People who come to me, they need to have an agency because I'm not going to fix them. They need to be already awakened to a certain extent. Yeah, and I don't want to take your sensitivity.

I'm not here to fix you. like i'm just gonna mirror whatever you need to hear at the moment and you can ask me questions i can go back but i'm not here to take care of you like hold the hand and show you and i'm not interested in that because i'm interested in sovereignty so i do that uh now there's some people sometimes they say look i really like the session very much is there any way and this is what i would like to do so i we do some mentorships where i say we can do six sessions i don't want more but you can come in a year because i don't i don't want to impair them the ability that they have to reconnect dependency yeah because I have a chart when I do the chart you call it a map

it's a floor plan and if you have a floor plan you just go and play with it and but and I am okay when people ask me questions like that but if it's just like tell me everything you don't need hand-holding no you want to build them as independent yeah I want to mirror what they need and I meet them where they're at yeah and and I'm listening and you know I'm always curious about where they're at so I offer that kind of mentorships I also do study groups I love studying so i created these ideas that why don't we study together and you pay me i love it yeah what do you teach so i do human design evolution astrology um bitcoin i started doing me for beginners for beginners and it worked really well yep now i'm becoming more effective because it was very time

consuming to do this one-on-one and i could do it i love it but i have x amount of hours in a week so i started pre-recording them and i'm sending out like a package it's like okay you get the recordings and then if you want me time you pay a little bit more but you don't have to have the me time okay and you can i can unpack and integrate i like it yeah okay and then okay so we have we've touched art we've touched psychology and trauma astrology when did you start doing that oh since i was little i was always looking up and say daddy so that's saturn or that's jupiter so he and then i and i was looking at the playa that's incredible i was looking at the playa and i was like i come from there and my dad he was into ufo we don't we ever talked about that no but

we are the the ones that i am yeah that's why i say we're sisters we're we're connected and then i'm going to tell you something else you have to check the star that's called alfeca alfeca with ph because our moons everybody was the same moon it's attached to that uh that uh pacific star yeah i won't talk about because it's very profound it is very symbolic and so yeah so i will look up and say seven sisters you play others and so my father was very much into astronomy and astrology but he was also into ufo so he had all these journals of all like sightings and area 50 whatever you call that area and i was like daddy i was like oh yeah with his friends it's like let's go to the mountain and try to check if there's another sighting because there were a lot a lot of

sightings in in Colombia back in the day so he was into all this stuff as well it was very conspirational okay and I was used to hang out with my father like can I stay and he was like no but we're going to talk about this boring stuff no no not boring I'm listening I will listen to the story so I was very attracted to things outside so he saw my my my curiosity so he said first why don't we learn to like the name of the planets that will help you okay so I knew where everything was wow and then years later i bought an oh you know this is the stories in the book it's like uh we had a driver because my mom oh yeah i remember that story but this is hilarious i mean it couldn't it couldn't possibly happen she gave you money to go because i buy books all

the time so and i belong to these like book clubs when i was little but there was no internet so the book clubs like you physically have to go to the place borrow the book and you know and there was this book fair they have a very good book fair in colombia bogota so i said mommy mommy i want to go to the book and she goes ah senor beltrán you know the mr beltrán he's gonna take you and i was like the driver the driver he was like the family driver of the house so we just go over there family was wealthy to have a driver or is that a normal thing because it i don't know like we were well off let's say but my mom didn't want us in the streets and she wanted us to go from school to another activity yeah dance horseback riding right french italian whatever you want

because she was working so she wanted us to be educated in different things so she couldn't take us okay and she was not remarried so senor betrani was like the guy was taking us he was a beautiful man i we torture him like hell because so i learned how to drive like a 12 and did he teach you yeah of course but i wanted to learn horse yeah and then it's like oh my god he was like senorita your mother's like she's never gonna know so the guy was like when he left we were all crying okay okay so let's go back so the driver is taking you to buy books yes and you'll buy books so we go to the fair i get the time my mom gave me whatever 20 whatever equivalent and then i have there's this table

with this older man he's probably in his 60s but you know he's a big man with a red book and i said what is it he goes ephemiades or something like that it's called it's like a book where all the planets it's like the things it's a list of all the situations it's like a dictionary for yeah but ours yeah but it tells you where they're at from the year 1900 to the year 2000 so their movements yeah before you had to chart your you have to chart the chart by hand uh-huh it was a whole thing with a compass now you have the computer two minutes you have like oh you're scorpio rising before you need to know the clean it you need to know astronomy so he had those things and i was like i want that book but the book was like let's say my mom gave me 20 it was

like 50 uh-huh so i said okay he goes he saw me i was very curious he goes give me your your date and so he's kind of make it very fast he says if you have this book can you learn how to do this so he told me two or three things about me and i was like whoa and then i said i want the book he says do you have the money i said no but i have an idea what why don't you come with me and senor beltrán and we go home and my mom will give you the money yeah and so they're like senorita and i'm like my mom is home so we go there and my mom is like uh hello mommy mommy uh thirty dollars thirty dollars like immediately it's like where's your wallet where's your wallet because this is the way we were always she gives me the money she goes like what is this book and senora your

daughter is very curious yeah we know it's like oh she really wants this book and at the very end she ended up paying say goodbye to the guy say oh my god take him close to the train station whatever bus station and then my mom is like don't you ever do that again like i'll give you money but do not bring people you don't know so i thought what the hell he's like it was difficult so that was my first thing and i started getting very curious about it at the mapping i was like oh you can so you can actually find a way so for me it was like i have to learn this because this was kind of a um the code of reality like how you can read life that it was a code and i said this is going to be a code i'm too young but i'm going to put it up here

in the note you know like one of those posters and this is going to find me when i'm ready wow then when were you ready oh i found the teaching at 11 in in an airport the teaching book i was like mom i need this book and she was i said i need it for later so i was like always putting niche call you it's like i need this for later collect stuff and you know that later in the future you will use that i really i said this is all connected so when when like how old were you when you felt ready okay then use that first time i did a astrology class i'm like 29 years old amazing just go amazing find the right teacher he's still around but i didn't like the way he taught not what he taught but it was but you were already feeling ready to take yeah i know i wanted

to do it and i did for like i did for a year i paid the whole thing for a year and i will go ask questions but there was something about him that it was like he's not my teacher you know one that you go and do it but just like that's not my teacher right he's teaching but he's not my teacher and then I did another one again and I was like I am I'm gonna be ready one day the day I was ready is when I was at the lowest of my life I have left my husband I had no money I have no self-esteem and I didn't know who I was I was completely stripped from an identity yep of everything and I prayed to find a way where I will jump outside of a window because he was that was that desperate and so you wanted to yeah but one day kill yourself yes yes it was very horrible

but something miraculous happened that day is like a woman that wanted to interview me that she was studying art alexandra she's a dear friend right now she she she said i said oh i have an interview this is an old time with skype there was not even zoom she was living in morocco and i was in miami visiting a friend and she had an apartment 26 floors and i was not in a good place And I actually just looked down and I said, oh, this is the way people feel when they want to kill themselves. And I thought, OK, I started thinking about it, really thinking about it. And then I called a friend that she was in China. She had seen me that I was not in a good place.

And she said, I don't care the time that you call me, just call me. So I called her and I said, Lucia, I'm not feeling well. She goes, where are you? And I said, in the 26th floor. She's like, where can you sit down? And I said, the beach. She goes, have you been to the beach today? And I said, I don't feel like it. She goes, let's go to the beach. And she walked me through it.

And so it was a thing. That afternoon, I had a call with this lady. And she was very enthusiastic. She had just been to Venice to see my work. Oh, my God, I love it. And you're Colombian. She was like admiring this person that wants to die. Oh, wow.

And so by the end of the conversation, she said to me, I will do anything to get a workshop with you. And that opened everything. immediately the opportunistic part of myself and went like oh yeah we can do that and she said when how fast can you do you can you come to morocco and i'm like no we're gonna do skype i'm already technology so i said great so give me some a couple of days i already did a workshops like this for universities i am going to cater to you and in the last part of the workshop i was just doing a little bit of the sign sign like oh you're a scorpio you're this and that yeah and she loved that part she told all her friends so I had that summer I was booked and then I had a calling of

like okay I need to learn this and I one day I go YouTube and this person speaks to me and I text or whatever email and I said I need a reading I'm in Colombia four o'clock in the morning because I don't have another time I'm in my pajamas listening to my chart but the person doesn't know me and he spoke to me it was like I like I found my way and at the end of the session with Simon I said what can I do to learn everything you know I'll pay I don't know like show me the way I've been looking for you so I he he he did my human design and evolution astrology and I started studying with him I did four years with him every week and and obviously after six months I'm like Simon have an idea he goes what I'm gonna start doing charts and we're like of course you

are and um at that time I was a lot in Facebook so I got a lot of people saying look give me 20 bucks and I'll read something and then when I learn more you hire me again and you pay me a little bit more until I become a master and that's what happened so I was practicing amazing okay so now I want to get to the whole topic of money Austrian economics Bitcoin what led you there and then how does it all tie in yeah i mean the answer to it's like the answer to this question is 42 42 yeah like in the the hikers guide to like the meaning of life 42 it's like that's it that's like me yeah this is how it all ties in the logo 42 it's like my embodiment yeah monica Monica Bravo, this is all it all ties in.

But I still want you to take us. Yeah, sure. Because I have to say something with that question. It's like until Bitcoin, I was fragmentized and I was familiar to fragmentation because I already did that when my father died. So I was there were compartments that I wouldn't relate to one another. And I did very well, like keeping them separate because I was I was good at that. and and so when I started in the astrology I started doing more to friends and there was a moment that it's going to be an exhibition and I I had an assistant that was a writer I said

Pedro why don't we start writing a little bit about synthesizing I like that word and he goes what do you mean and I said I want to make a piece that actually speaks about many levels and he goes but what are you going to I was like we're going to go crazy I'm just going to open up and so i started saying for the exhibition that i wanted to do readings and they invite me to a podcast of artists and i started doing because the woman that ran the podcast she did the chart and i said i'm gonna come out of the closet and people say are you gay i said no i'm an astrologer it's the same thing it's the same thing i will just say no no disrespect to anyone who's gay no problem with that it's just like about you it's funny yeah and i was like i'm gonna come

out of the closet like in in the hour like saying that you're doing um you're doing this kind of stuff it's a little bit odd yeah so people were it was funny because many people came and they were like but that's the beauty about us we're odd right exactly like not a cookie cutter thing that we're like everyone else we are who we are yeah go on sorry i came out like 2018 at the time i already knew about bitcoin but the funny thing is it's not funny haha but it was funny that the moment that i was ready to buy bitcoin i realized i have no money because my divorce was a disaster so i said okay so get the money first like get jobs yeah and then while you do that make money and then learn because you're not going to take not the not the lack of knowledge and throw the

money like if it's down the you know not in the drain so i made a plan and i said it's going to take time and it's going to be whatever it's going to be so i'm not going to you know harm myself saying I should I would never do should I just like this is where I am I'm gonna go so 2017 I find the astrology I find human design I start practicing it I start making money not a lot but I started getting more commissions and but with the thing like this has to lead me to where I'm supposed to be I saw that Bitcoin was going to take me to another dimension but I knew that I had to have the discipline to understand what it was because I was not going to go and I'm already in my 50s early 50s I'm like I'm not a young person although I behave like one

I have to be a little bit more strategic because before it was all about emotion right now it's like yeah it's fun to have the emotions but like strategy for like two minutes girl you know so I started doing more strategy and seeing myself already projected in a place where I would know how to take care of myself in the term so for self caring and value because I didn't have value myself my my whole life because of circumstances I was always in still are very capable of being very nurturing which I mean you you've received my nurturing but now I don't put you first as much as I love you I will always put you in the place that you belong after I know that I'm okay but I

didn't know how to do that before so I was always like missing something and the missing was me it's not my dad it was me yeah so i that led me to to start having a little bit of money but then you know bought different coins and i did not understand that this is the interesting thing it's like i wanted to understand it but i just like i will see a financial chart and i will be scared like even if it was up or down it was i got a break and i said oh my god because i didn't understand it was like the the thing is like you're doing something you don't understand you might as well start understanding so the charts were telling me dude you have to study and um you have to see me i'm sorry that i'm laughing you're funny but yeah i totally relate

to the the the anxiety associated with dealing with money i made a mistake because i didn't take care of my needs during the divorce i didn't put myself first okay so i was always afraid and I've been working a lot with trauma like right now I know how to do that but my fear was I'm going to repeat the same mistake so when you're so afraid of the mistake you're not living you're reliving the mistake you're reliving the past and that can make you feel like anxiety so I have to work with that anxiety because it's like I always say to myself in a very sweet way Monica we're not at the same place we're in a very different juncture we have different information right now Now we know about Bitcoin.

Now we know what it is. But then I didn't. So that's why I started educating myself in Bitcoin. I hired a woman called Tansy, and she was teaching online in England. And she was great. I learned a lot. I was asking many questions. And she had a community, but the community was not what I wanted in a community

because I want to, like, talk about podcasts, and I want to, like, hey, did you read this? Like, you know, everybody was coming to class and just waiting for me or the teacher to go like, whoa. And at one point I said, guys, this class is boring. So that's when I said, okay, I think I know what I have to do. I have to find a way to get in touch with more Bitcoiners. So the Miami conference was coming and I live literally two blocks away.

So I said, oh my God, I want to do something I've never done in my life, which is volunteering. Never. Which is? Volunteering. Volunteer. I always charge. so for me volunteers a friend said like you're really into it because you're volunteering I

never said like you saw me yesterday saying yeah sure but that's very different like I mean giving your deliverables your goods to someone for no return unless it's a charity right which is like someone wants to give a charity to someone fine that's your choice but giving that away consistently I don't see that as volunteering I see volunteering as an opportunity to learn yes if you want to exercise through learning you can learn sorry through volunteering you can learn something but I didn't know that because you see I was living in New York for x amount of years 27 and though in like the exchange was always something that it was better for them than for me you saw a conversation yesterday about donation like yeah donate no I'm not like

oh but it's going to be great for whom like yeah so i i'm very like let's talk about values and do like that so i basically went and i was so proud of myself i was telling this this is the first time i'm volunteering people like so and i was like it's a big deal for me so but i arrived and i loved it because and it was a big one so i was able to see the behavior of everybody and i was trying to measure the temperature of like okay are these bitcoiners i mean what kind of people are this let's have normal conversation from just stuffing bags to being at what did you discover it was great because i discovered that i have social skills that are really good i can be a clown and i can be very nice so i can really break the ice and i knew that before but i i

i was getting into trouble so i say how can i use this good skills that i have in something that is going to be good for the community so i started being more mindful about communication and i found like there are places here that I want to be I still don't know what they are because I still need to learn more so I met uh I had read the bitcoin and the fiat standard and I met Saifedean personally and I spoke to him for a little bit and I said to him are you as incredibly funny as you were Lex Friedman's uh and he started just laughing was he funny I was like oh you're the best you know this and that and he goes he started laughing we're just making fun and i said all right he's got a good sense of humor right oh my god yeah people don't know that oh no he's

very funny and i laugh we laugh so much because i can be goofy it's like so what i said is like i already i'm a member of your academy but on the first tier but now but promise me if you're this good i'll be there so i joined immediately and i saw that he was very approachable and answering questions I was a little bit concerned that maybe the people who are going to attend are very like brainy and economics and not boring but like they don't have a sense of humor right or like too logical but no Saif is great it's like I asked first question that I asked was like what's the difference between psychology and praxeology and he went just like okay you have to start reading this and that so he was very forthcoming and I realized that day this is going to be great because

i have many questions and i have somebody who is really willing to give me the information perfect in a beautiful way so education was important and i thought okay i'm going to keep on learning as much as i can so i can make sense of those decisions so austin economics really for me and i said over and over it's like bitcoin really can become much better understood and and in practice if you understand at least three principles of of the austin school you don't have to do all of them but non-violence and property rights is super important human action you know the decisions that you make and opportunity cost and the last but not least for me the most important is low time preference so if you just work with these three and you weave them together

you're good because you can apply them totally into the bitcoin space and they are logical so you don't need to go around too much trying to make sense because they are actually make sense if you know how to relate to them they're not emotional axiomas they're logical yep so that's what changed in me and what changes like I had always been very emotional and I suddenly realized that being logical does have weight yes and I decided okay I'm going to choose certain things are going to be done with praxeology and the other one psychology but for me they're all related it's just i i know how to make use the different tools a different time whenever it's correct okay and then today your work in bitcoin spans over the public speaking you do the coaching you do like

the sessions with people but also you learn how to read graphs and trade a little i mean you don't use it for trade but but you you like doing that for forecasting and for understanding the market right can you say a bit about that so my wish this i okay so this i love that what monica does is she takes the the graphs and she colors them in her brand colors like the the dark blue and the red and everything look great it's like feminine bitcoin graphs i love it yeah i cannot see like a super graph is like i have to color it so you should follow her on instagram the stories and everything that's where she puts them yeah i started to do accountability with those because i'm studying and so i i'm gonna there's a friend of mine that is very anonymous uh but he he was

somebody was very important for me to get there so this is somebody much younger than i am and he reached out 2022 and he said i know you do astrology because he's connected to to somebody and i said yes and he goes can you teach me astrology because i'm learning to read charts and i said sure you want to do it in an hour and he was like yeah we can do it in an hour i'm like that's not going to happen in an hour and so what do you want this for and he was into nfts and i was like and i said okay but i really love this this kid and so i said let's meet so he started reading and then he was really really really interested in understanding the reality and asking the best questions and so i said so what are you doing goes i'm actually studying to read

financial charts with this woman that she has this system it's not hers but she learned to read it through ichimoku it's a japanese thing that is all about averages and i like patterns so i said oh and so we started studying i proposed i said why don't we meet three times a week for an hour it ended up being three four hours every time there was like two years that we were connected so many hours learning you teach him he teaches you tired of feeling like your freedom and future are fading away? Do you live in a country with growing inflation, crazy housing prices, weird culture and a chaotic economy? You're not alone and my friend Mikel Thorpe and his team at Expat Money can help. Mikel is the world's leading expat consultant on a mission to free you from broken

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It addresses challenging global agendas, mass formation, transhumanism, consciousness, societal change, and the path to transformation. Click the link in the show notes to access three and a half hours of exclusive presentations, in-depth content, and my fireside chat with Professor Desmack. Use my code AFLAT for 10% off. I hope you find great value in it. We're not teaching, we're just talking and showing. oh look what i found look what i found so it never became like a tutorial never it became like and this is a this is a boy or a man that is like born in 1988 and i he's an old soul like immediately like we need to connect so i became his mentor but he became my mentor at the same

time there was no value exchange this is the first time like we're going to do this like a like we made it was value exchange it's not money yeah not money yeah but we decided that from the very beginning it's like we don't know where this is going to go but you're going to go all the way so we did for a long time until last year I he wanted to start teaching and he was ready so I said train me like use me because I asked questions so we did not that many classes but I asked the right questions I have he translated one of the books in Spanish so I got the book and then at one point I said you know I'm just going to do what I do it's like I have to practice so I started looking at the charts and kind of taking notes and sometimes i would send it to him he says yes

and then i thought i don't want to depend on like he's saying yes or no he's doing his thing he's a trader i'm not and so i said is there anything else than calling yourself a trader yeah it's technical assistant technical not assistant analyst analyst so i thought i want to be that's you know when you're like when i'm grown up i want to be a technical analyst of bitcoin and i said yeah i'm just gonna materialize that so i started saying yes and i said but i have to show up okay i have to do it so i trained i'm into ai like big time so i trained like a year ago i've been training a lot of assistants and one of the ones agents eight no this is an assistant agents are when they have their own agency so assistant is like you have a project and you

feed it with a lot of information and you train it in your own language got it blah blah blah direct and so I trained this assistant to be my tutor and it has to behave like a tutor I don't want too many applause but I don't want too hard I want just to have the flowing so you know he has to call me by yes Monica bravo Monica but no it's good so I started reading every day the first thing I do in the morning after I do my meditations is I look at the charts and I dictate dun dun dun dun dun dun dun and then I take some snapshots and then I say give me an analysis of my analysis and most of the time she says you know out of 10 two are not okay come back to me and tell me why they're not okay so i have to think okay so i've been training

myself with nice and i decided to have accountability to so i have to show up and say because i can say i know how to read it where is it so yeah i that's what i'm doing and it's fascinating because one of the things that i discovered in the last two weeks is like it is helping me self-regulate my nervous system because i'm why because okay so we are full of vibration yes and the nervous system is vibratory that's why i do polyvagal and do humming and hypopressors there's a lot of interior things that is going on and so i'm learning how to hold my my breath and do breath work like that and when you look at a chart it's pulsating and when you look at this like loss of you know eleven thousand dollars in a week it's like what happened i mean

what happened to that breath and how did it go down and it's a is it lack of air like how much volume so you start translating how the market is behaving so of course i have found a lot of anomalies like people who are analysts they're saying there's all these things going on but then you can start seeing how the people that are in the know you start tracking how they behave because they have a behavior are they doing it at the end of the month are they doing it at the end of the week i mean what is it that they're playing so you say is the market manipulated i don't want to say that it is but there are people who actually know how to do this so what i'm learning is to read their behavior so i'm not surprised i'm not surprised i'm a little bit worried for the

people who have lent money and they don't have collateral because they want to get rich very quickly because to have collateral you should have as i say you should have parked many batteries because the moment that it keeps on falling you have to put more more and more so the variant is it worth it no and i that's my word leveraging bitcoin is a dangerous business if you don't know or trading or trading yeah on bitcoin yeah it's like don't trade and that's why if you don't know what you're doing yeah no but for me it's like don't trade and yeah i don't have the stomach to trade yeah but i i just want to be responsible also about how we talk about this there are people that this is what they do and it's fine it's legitimate yeah we're not saying don't trade

we're saying no for me no if you are not an expert i'm saying to myself yeah be careful don't trade yeah become an analyst and i always say this is for entertainment purposes or whatever but i'm not you know like do whatever you want to do and that's one of the differences i think i see between men and women in that respect i mean obviously generally speaking that a lot of men have the courage to risk more so they would in order to learn they will trade even if they don't know exactly what they're doing and they just want to experiment and learn and they will fall on their face and fail and that's how they learn and many women are like okay i'll just become an analyst i'll just observe and when i feel confident enough i'll go deeper maybe but i think that's one of the

like main differences between women and women in that sense i will be like you i will never dare you know i'm too but i'm not gonna say that i will never conservative in that sense i will say right now that i'm not ever not gonna do it i didn't think that yeah of course no you will just maybe prepare yourself more or more than the average man i understand the reason because right now for instance i prefer to earn lots of fiat and put it into this year whatever buying the dip yeah that this helped me to buy the dip like no other thing yeah and uh and then see uh do i need to land i said what basically i want to get rich what how much more it's like it's just not sure sure opportunity cost it's not worth it absolutely so i know my limitations and i work

with my limitations now if somebody else wants to do it go ahead bump yourself yeah and then learn because this is what we learn yeah so but it's about responsibility as well okay so let's just before we wrap up, because we can do this for hours, but I don't want to be too long with the audience. We can film another episode another time, no problem. But what I want us to talk about is the state of the world and the human consciousness at the moment. And actually, I think this ties into it, even though it feels unrelated, like Bitcoin and money, how is this related to the state of the world and the psyche of the human right now? But that is something that you and I talk about a lot. And I think it is being reflected in the behavior of

the masses towards money, towards Bitcoin, towards taking risks or taking responsibility and trying something new. So can you make that connection and talk about how you see the state of the world that is like zooming out to the Pleiades and looking down at earth and and our you know our the little the little groups of retarded humans so I'm gonna tie it up with including me when I say retarded we're all retarded I have a lot of compassion yes um the way to speak from my perspective about that is about behavior yeah that's why I love human action because it's the you know the behavior of of oneself and then politics is the behavior of the people so how we collectively make choices so the markets is the behavior of like how people are interacting with

it you know by supply and demand and so when you see the behavior of things countries politicians people with no judgment but you see it as a as a as a chart it's going up it's going down it's going to repeat itself over here is gonna so i use the tools whether it's a financial chart or an astrological chart because i i also can do astrology with bitcoin and and events and people i'm just studying history and correlating so i do a lot of that i do charts and i go back to history and i go wow this happened already like for instance in the book um i speak about dante that time because we had similar situation and he at the time he wrote a book for me he's a bit coiner because he wrote a book and he gave italian to the italians because until then it

was latin so he wanted the language the language italian it was tuscan where he came from but he wrote it in tuscan and and tuscan became italian he he just basically said fuck the uh church that they're like so scholastic i'm just going to give them because he was exiled like he was he was really excited by the pope he's a it's a beautiful story and then when you read the divine comedy and another book that he the the new life is just my favorite books you see that we're repeating our history over and over again only that at the time was the 1200s and end of the crusades and then in the 1500s with the when the church of england same repetition and then the american war same thing and now it's like oh shit we're the new world order yeah exactly so

i'm not that surprised so the thing is this is like if you look at the behavior you see for instance there's a there's a conjugation in the on february 2026 of two planets that they meet every 36 years the last time they met was the 9th of november 1989 do you know what was that day 9th of november november 11th november 11th 1989 i was nine years old okay nine and a half years old the fall of the wall oh okay big day i was i was in berlin wall i was there you were there yeah i knew it was going to come down and i have friends and i went over there it was like it was it was the moment of my generation okay because i grew up with the cold and the whatever like you know the russians are the bad guys and i mean it's just crazy things and everything

changed so much and every time they meet which is every 36 years for some reason it's all related to russia because the time before was when stalin came to power and the one before is the bolshevik and then you keep on going and then the one before they met is the communist manifesto so you go back and you go like what happens every time these two planets meet is like society merges into a place of like we don't understand what's got retardation retardation lack of every 36 years but certain with the certain degrees now this time is going to be different is because they're going to meet at zero degrees of areas which is the very beginning of the zodiac this is like reset this is a real reset and hold on what again that so the two planets are saturn defines reality

yes and tune is back to source which is more like how we connect to god so one has definition and the other one has no definition and they meet every 36 exactly like more like exactly 36 years they all okay you can read charts or or history by how this plan is meet from time to time i love it okay and so and this time why is it different why is it like the big reset because they're going to meet at zero degrees it's like the beginning of of everything zero zero not one degree night i love it and it's 26 of uh no it's february february 20 2026 where am i going to be at that time we need to be together but we're already living it what we're seeing the last few weeks in the shit show yeah it's it's the last peak retardation yeah humanity but it but it's the

last moment where you can see the truth and you go oh my god i'm in the right track and that's what i've been telling everybody here in the like in in the conference when i'm meeting people i said what is your plan b and everybody's talking about plan b and i go everyone no no no no because they're already in the plan b i know i know this is so good because if if we would have taken us and put us in a different conference not bitcoin let's say it was a crypto conference and we would ask that question to every person we would speak to they would freak out yeah but when you ask bitcoiners they're like preparing they're like oh yeah i've got my place in the united states here in el salvador and i'm in costa rica and i'm also in australia and i've got this and that and

have two citizenships and people are aware they're aware and i didn't i've been told thank god people they they say but should i because then they start like being aware and they go should i do it faster and i go well i wanted to sleep on it you know like if you already have half of your food there just start packing or have the plan have the plan and that's why you reckon february end of february 26 we're going to see like a massive event or something no we're going to see the effect through 2027 28 it's but this is so something will begin at february it already began it doesn't begin in that day that day they meet so this is my analogy is always like we're all on a little boat individually and we need to get to the other shore okay so you have to learn to navigate

with your little boat yes nobody can drive it for you it's your life now somebody says can i go and i person says do you have a ticket no sorry you can't come you selfish little shit yeah i am i need to get to the shore i'm sure you're going to be drunk and i have to boot you out of my boat so i'm going to be responsible for me and i'm going to get to the shore and everybody else is responsible so when we meet at the shore which is at the other side then they start building but we already know what we have to build because we've been already doing plan a plan b and we've already started building a long time ago but now it's like okay this is it because we're not going to care if the president or or the prime minister whatever is going to say this is going to happen it's like

you already know like yeah try harder it's not going to happen we're going to make it happen so for me it's very optimistic to think that we have the tools and that's why i really also love australian economics and astrology in the same sentence is because there's one that is a tool for yourself and australian economics is a tool for the collective to be able to work individually right so it's like a manual you have a manual for society and if you have the manual for your chart you will know how to deal with that at your level so then we weave the future together and i think that this is quite fantastic. I know I didn't plan to ask you that, but now it just came to mind. So I'm going to ask you that. What is your opinion about Trump and about the pool of the U.S.

government in the world to what what they're doing, like plans they have? Well, it's very interesting question because, OK, so Trump and all his administration have been watching their behavior and you can tell that first of all like in the first presidency he learned a lot and this time there's no space for any mistake so he he did a very good job electing the people that are going to support him not only they're good at what they do you can disagree with what they're doing but they're good at what they do like and they know how to defend that port so you see you listen to you listen to the guy from the ministry of defense everybody ruby oh my god like everybody is like i'm defending this i'm standing for this so they're very tight and this means that there's

a good leadership now you can agree or disagree now i like to read between the lines because that's where all the so i know that they have a this is my personal opinion because you have to tied up that with money because it's not separated so there have made a scheme that is very big about you know moving us to the next step whether they say that we're not going to have cbd's but we're probably going to have something similar yeah because one of the things that trump is doing that he's very good he's a magician disruptor so he says a and then he goes b and then he ends up doing c and you go like and he goes i don't know you know like that person is whatever so he has a way to disrupt so he said like at the conscious level donald trump came to disrupt our collective

now if you just engage in the you know the syndrome of hating him that's going to be a little life but if you say oh you know what he's giving me the opportunity to actually do something else then i can go to my plan a b c d because it's actually challenged my life because maybe i like it or maybe I don't like it. So for me, it's been a very incredible challenge. It's the first time that I ever voted in my life. Actually, I voted two weeks ago for the mayor of Miami because I want to be more conscious about the kind of decisions. I never cared. And what about the pull to technocracy that his administration has? Okay, so here's the thing. Whether it's Government A or B, this idea about, like, taking your life away from you

has been there for a long time. This is not this administration. We have been taken as slaves even before the Federal Reserve. The United States has a constitution that is legal but not lawful. So even, you know, this is common law and stuff like that. So we've been slave. We've been promised as slave for a long time. So this has been a slow, slow process. Now, I personally don't think that Trump is on that side, but he's an agent. I don't know if it's controlled opposition. He's playing a very big role. and the thing is that as as long as we're divided we're dead we're done because they got us and that's what they have and when i say they is as very dark forces it's it's something that is bigger

than us you can call them aliens you can go i don't care i don't care but it's it's the darkness and that's why i think talking about consciousness and talking about light and awareness i did a conversation today about awareness awareness is pure light it's like i can see and i'm not going to fool myself with trying to believe something else so as long as we have light inside of ourselves we always have a possibility to change and to evolve yeah and if we want to go under the light we're going to win and win means we're going to have a good life and it's not about like having more money it's like we can do this if we are committed to our own state of consciousness and so it doesn't matter if it's trump or if this other one is like if you're aware you are not

going to attract that so for me I speak a lot about frequency so I want to tune into the frequency where I can be with people like you that you are like responsible those things so then we can grow together inspire each other have dialogues talk to other people and you know give inspiration to people provoke inspiration that there is a way I'm an optimist so and there is a way we know it we live it we live a different way than most other retarded people I mean we are retards too but we embrace our retardedness and we build something beautiful with it yeah i love that i mean that's exactly the message i always try to convey that yes technocracy and i think also transhumanism on a very probable path to being inevitable to like they will happen but the question is

what is your participation in that reality because even if they are this reality is coming and it's happening you can you can choose you can still choose you have agency to choose you learn the syntax of what is the only thing that's going to protect your rights so the first property right that you have to protect is your body people don't understand that that's the place where you start yeah fuck your house and your farm it's okay you're gonna but your body yeah when they have your body oh yeah and they're the owner of like whatever you put in or receive you're done yeah So learn to stand up for your rights. If you live in any country that is part of a commonwealth, they have common law.

You can learn. You just have to go and learn. I'm not going to tell you where, but if you're in Europe, it's a little bit more difficult because it's a civil law. It's Roman law. There's nothing else to do. Leave. You can leave Europe. Seriously.

You can leave Europe. I tell people just run as fast as you can. Grab whatever you have. They're going to take it away anyway. So if they're going to take it away anyway and you cannot rescue it, at least rescue your life. And then you start somewhere else. And don't be afraid. But you cannot tell people what to do.

No, of course. I can say yes. But the people who were aligned with this, we know we have options. And then embrace a different type of honest money. Yes. Saving hard money. That's it. Stop the shit coinery.

Right. Bitcoin is also fiat. Of course. It's like that's not going to... The thing is, this is like energy is money and everything we do. So if we're still attached to an energy that is dirty, no sense that everything that it takes, it's wars and pain and inflation and corruption. Why do we want to relate to that frequency?

Exactly. And I think that Bitcoin, once you get in, you're like, wow, there is hope. Like what you told President Bukele. there is hope that's exactly what i told him yes yeah wow okay monica where is the best place for people to follow you follow your work and what kind of message do you want to leave them with okay so you can i think the best place is to arrive to my substock that is monica bravo that blog and you have links to the sessions that i do with astrology or you can read my weekly

newsletter i write a little bit about everything that i spoke to today and i highly recommend that because if you're like me and you're busy and you have many things to do you just listen to it and i if you have the substack app you can just listen and monica speaks the words so you don't have to read and it's much faster you can do your dishes and listen so that's a good place x whatever instagram like i'm i'm all over there but that's the one that's the one that you really want to get like listen to my thoughts or even learn about the way i'm writing about the charts it's not that i'm teaching but i'm showing everything yeah if you're smart you will learn of course and the book okay so i have a second book coming but the first one where can they get it same the blog okay you

go to the menu and i'm halfway through the second book it's called the the art of synthesis and the architecture of my value and it's a very fun work uh because i decided to have deep conversations with Dante, Borges, Calvino, Aristotle, Satoshi. Like, I have conversations. Light stuff. Yeah. No, but I'm like, dude, have you seen this and that? And so it's fun.

Some of them are really fun. I'm sure it will be fun. And it's conversations. And then at the very end, I write a synthesis of what I learned or what I think that they told me. And so I'm doing that. But, you know, I start, like, the first chapter is, like, on violence. Like, let's talk about violence because it's something that is very important

to be understood what it is and the way that i i created i i really need to have like a concept it's like i'm going to take 33 we have 33 vertebrae in our 33 what vertebrae what is vertebrae like the spine okay oh yeah and so i guess i had dreamed that i have to do it like the vertebrae is really holding your heart is it like the links the yeah they're 33 but then you have the they're divided you have the cervical the thoracic thoracic and you have well you have all of them and they have a purpose in the body but they're also there's one like the first one here it's what unites your conscious with your unconscious so we are spirits incarnated so the body is the most important place where to practice is the most so what you put into your body what

you think all that is going to make your reality different so i'm using the idea of the vertebra uh to hold space for this conversation so it's a very structure and it gives me a pace and yeah when are you planning to launch i want to more or less for the for the conjunction of february 26 wow you're ambitious okay yeah i can do it of course you can if anyone can it's you okay and and last last thing that i want to finish off with is um and this is also quite spontaneous i didn't plan this but i think it will be fun for the audience to hear how you see how you read just quick one me and my podcast oh i love that you asked it okay so when i met you like i remember like i was very impressed by how you called your podcast and i guess that it came

in a very intuitive way or probably not but very intuitive yeah knowing you right now i know it it yeah and so and then the more I think about it and the more I know you and I've done your chart several times it's like you knew that that was the way so what I feel that is very important and I've been telling you this privately is that part of your path if not you already started but you're going to keep on doing as you go deeper is that your voice is you're giving me voice right now here but don't forget that your voice is also the anchor of mine or whoever's sitting on this side now your voice needs to be heard not just little but really broadcast because you're very interested in really bringing about a lot of connections that is not just about money it's

not about cbd's it's not about double x's like you really have also a capacity to be very capable of of of having a wide range and so what you bring is the opportunity for me and everybody who's listening to learn even more through listening to the voice of something so I feel that you have how would I say that it's like a destiny without giving you like okay this is the only thing but it's a purpose that is very well defined and the way you name it what you're doing and how you're evolving because I've been seeing you evolving and I'm sure that I told you like you're going to another level and that level is like it's going to really help the place where you come from but not only the place where you come from but everybody else is going to be able to relate

because of the way you're dealing with it or you're relating rather than dealing because dealing is like yeah you're relating to it and you're being very courageous and i think that you're one of the most courageous persons and of course sometimes it could be a little bit frightening for anybody but guess what not everybody has your courage so you're you're warrior of light and your voice is your meme thank you i love you i love you too more women should be in this space right they will come um they will come i think that um like you can show women i can show people not because i want more women i just want people to be empowered and and just speak their mind get educated in the way you want to to to communicate

and and just find that courage i was just telling somebody today if they know the meaning of the word avant-garde so back in the day when the bottles were really done on the field the most important and more dangerous part to be was the first two lines because they're the people actually are ready to die they're really ready to die and then when and you were like saying okay we're gonna meet on thursday we're going to have a battle that was so planned and they will have all these strategies and then oh yeah i loved all these movies because i i know that i was a warrior not a life so i i want to understand these um strategies and the art of war is a great book to read so you just go and most of them died but they died with so much courage with the shield here it

going like i believe in this thing so i was just telling somebody today about like okay they already broke that uh line they need to go to the next step because they didn't die on the battlefield now they have to get into another level and once you're another level the way you deal is different because it's another language yeah because you're you actually that's evolution yeah evolution is movement energy human action human action energy what did you say today about vibration that it's energy in motion yes and everything we're all vibrational beings we're all made out of energy and if we understand that every decision that we make it has energy so we're going to be more mindful about how we put the energy where we put it who we attract what we eat you become mindful

and then you become like a superhero if you want to be one because it gives you that power and that's what i learned tai chi and all that it taught me back in the day it's so powerful of course i was in at the very beginning because my teacher could do tricks with energy and i was like wow i want to learn like i always ask like can i learn this thing it's like no you're not here for that wow because you can actually direct the energy transmute it yeah that's amazing i probably they did it in another life but this time it's like you know stay on the earth be more practical well thank god you're on earth thank god you're here thank god for who you are thank you so much for sharing yourself oh no generous for giving me the space i'm i'm honored to be in your podcast

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