You're Wrong About - Balto with Blair Braverman

Episode Date: March 4, 2024

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Well, you know, many of us mush zero miles per year. Welcome to Wrong About, the podcast where generally we talk about people that sometimes we get to talk about dogs. And today we are talking about Balto, the sled dog, the myth, the legend. Our guest is of course Blair Braverman, our survival correspondent and guest for many episodes in the past including Flight 571, Survival in the Andes, and Chris McCannless. Blair is also the author of the novel Small Game, which you can find wherever you like to find books. And speaking of friends of the show, Julie

Kliekman, who last visited us to talk about the Battle of the Sexes in January, has a book out tomorrow, March 5th, called Mind Game, an inside look at the mental health playbook of lead athletes. And we, as it happens, have a discount code for you. If you go to Julie's publisher website to buy the book and we'll put the URL in the show notes for you, you can input the discount code MindGame30, MindGame1WordAllCaps, the number 3030.

Val through the end of June, a deal for your rock about listeners, because you deserve it. We also have some bonus episodes for you over on Patreon and Apple Plus, and most recently, we just started our Britney Spears book club talking about Britney's memoir, The Woman and Me, with Eve Lindley. Part one is up now, part two will be up soon. We're really excited to share it with you. And speaking of things we're excited about, we're so excited for this fall-toe episode. So let's get suited up and go enjoy the trail with Blair Braverman. Welcome to Your Wrong About the podcast where we debunk your favorite Phil Collins movie.

And with me today is Blair Braverman. Hello Blair. Hi Sarah. Hello our survival correspondent. I'm here to talk about dogs. You've talked a lot about humans and you're so great at the human beat, but like this is really what you were made for. Tell me what you think of when you hear Balto.

Okay. When I think of Balto, I think of an animated movie that I watched as a little kid. I think it came out when I was like eight. I think Kevin Bacon was in it. And it's got a lady looking at the statue of Balto in Central Park and I think telling her granddaughter the story of Balto. And it's about when she was growing up and she was a toon. She's a human now in the 90s. She was a toon when she was a little kid. It's a puberty no one talks about. Yeah, it's kind of a tragedy.

And growing up in Nome, there was an epidemic. I don't even know if the movie itself bothers to say that it's set in Nome, but as a kid, I was like, there are kids in Alaska, there's an epidemic and Balto, who's in the way of many cartoon protagonists always felt a little different than the other sled dogs. Just like all of us.

All of us are a little different than the other sled dogs. And that's what makes us so great. But Balto has to demonstrate that by becoming the hero of the day and bringing what as a kid I understood to be, you know, just medicine because that's the understanding of stuff you have as a child or I did to the sick kids and saving the children. And I know from having looked up this movie later on in life, although I haven't watched

it since childhood that he has a love interest named Jenna. And there's something really funny to me about like a 1920s prospector naming a dog, Jenna. And that's the story of Balthow and, you know, my understanding of it is that he's this heroic dog and that the Iditarod commemorates Balthow. I feel like that's what I learned in elementary school and it all comes back to this one spectacular dog who kind of did it all on his own. And I also want to foreground what I suspect is the case, which is that all of the dogs in this episode

are gonna be good dogs. We're not trying to debate that. Yes, yeah, very, very important to clarify. Yeah, however, there's more to the story. You know, that sounds like what I grew up with too. And I had a book when I was little and it was called like, Learn to Read Level Two or something. It was one of those books. And I think it's still around. It was called Balto the Bravest Dog Ever. And told basically that story. And I was obsessed with it as a kid. So obsessed for years. Like, I started

babysitting so I could read this book to other children. Like I brought it every time I saw their children and I babysat a lot. And like I kind of credit this book for me becoming a long distance dog's letter today. But I don't know if I've admitted that publicly before. So um, that's so great. You know, Balto is the mushing story we hear. Yeah. But it's more complicated than that. Yeah, and I feel like mushing is a sport that many Americans would not guess still goes on today,

at least outside of the Iditarod, let alone like a way of life. And I certainly didn't know before I met you that it was a way of life. And it's so interesting that kind of, it's as if Americans forgot figure skating existed except for Sonia Hennie. You know, people tend to put mushing in the same category

as Santa and Santa's reindeer. Right. But it makes sense, because it happens in really remote areas. Like when would you get to see sled dogs if you live in 99% of the US? Or the rest of the world, for that matter. Right, and I mean, I wonder where we should start

because I feel like one of the questions here is what is a sled dog? Which again, this is why you were made for this show. Okay, so Sarah, our story begins in 1924 in Nome, Alaska. 99 years ago. 99, you're right. It's a village on the coast of the Bering Sea. It's very isolated.

It's very remote. It's the northwestern most town in North America. It was at the time. And it's like the hub for the surrounding villages. So at the time, it had about 1,400 residents and 10,000 more living nearby. And Sarah, you and I have been to Nome together. A couple of times, yeah.

Because we were there for the end of the, I did a rod a couple of years, I think. Yeah. And I just can't resist sharing my favorite Nome story. Oh, please do. Which is you had flown up there and my husband, Quince and I had taken a snow mobile that was much too small. It was literally a child's snowmobile at the last 300 miles. It was very, it was very comical.

People came out of villages and took pictures of us laughing. So it's the smallest parade ever. It really was. And your job, you like got there on a plane and you're going to find us a place to sleep. And you like found, I don't know how you found some lady where for like $100 each, we could sleep on her floor in her

living room. And so that was great. We arrived, we had a place to sleep, and then every night we were there, she kept adding more people to her living room floor for $100 each until they were just like in my mind there were like 20 of us. It was solid tourists, yeah. Instead of the floor there was just tourists. Like Nome does not have the infrastructure for the influx of people who come for the end of the I did rod who come when there's like a big event

You and I were putt puttin down through town on that tiny snowmobile and You're very tall and I'm quite tall. So This is a comically small snowmobile for anyone, but you and I, we just have like our knees sticking out. And we're, we look like we're on one of those like tiny kids toy cars and we're like putt-puttin' down Main Street and we get pulled over by the sheriff in slow motion.

We were approaching speeds of 12, Blair. And we pull over to the side of the road, like, and a little toy snowmobile. And the sheriff steps out of the car and is like the most beautiful woman I've ever seen in my life. Like she looks like a movie. Like she like shakes out her hair in slow motion.

Sheriff Maggie. Yeah. Sheriff Maggie, I forgot her name. And she just told us we weren't allowed to drive the snow mobile on that road. So we put it away and never came back. What she said specifically in my memory began with the phrase, OK, girls.

Yeah, I remember that. I mean, it was just the most comical scene. And then that night, there was a bikini contest at a bar downtown where everyone made bikinis out of weird things. I tried to enter with a bikini made of dog booties and I was disqualified because they were too much like fabric. Which is really a margin call, but go on.

But you know what? I think the prizes were meant to go to locals. I think like that was the spirit of the thing and that was why. And that's a great spirit, yeah. But you were selected to be a judge in the Spikini contest, which by the way was amazing. It was so good.

It was like men and women, every age, every body type, just like dancing in these amazing outfits. I think the winning entry was called Fish and Game and it involved crab shells. It was really good. So you were on the judging panel and then your co-judge was Sheriff Maggie. Yes. I know one and we realized that because you came over to talk to me and she

looked at us and she said, didn't I scold you girls on a snowmobile earlier? So that's my gnome story. It's a very small town. It's got a great vibe, incredible history. It's a sort of post-Gold Rush town, so it has this like lingering glamour and also a very beautiful sheriff who judges Bikini Contest. It's a really special, amazing place. I mean, I love that. I'm so happy you told that story because that's my favorite gnome story as well. And it feels something like maybe if San Francisco got frozen in Amber in 1880 or something. Yeah, for sure.

Because it feels like just a frontier town that didn't get built out. But tiny, like one block of San Francisco. Yeah. And we're going to go back 99 years to Nomeb then. And it was much more isolated. You couldn't fly in. You couldn't take a tiny snowmobile. What mode of transportation was even available, Blair?

What do you think they used? Well, half the population left every winter because it was so remote. There's no roads. There's no planes. There's no boats. When the last boat leaves, the sea ice freezes. How do they get in and out? How do they carry the mail?

I mean, if only you could have some kind of a sled conveyed by dogs, acclimatized to live in such harsh conditions and gifted with a heart longing to pull heavy objects. Well, that is what Noam did in the way that like, and gifted with a heart longing to pull heavy objects. Well, that is what Nome did in the way that like, our cities today are built around cars. Nome was built around dogs. Like it was like known as like the center

of the sled dog world. Mushers were famous, dogs were famous. The male coming in was a huge deal. They'd be this enormous 25 dog team would come in pulling like massive sacks of male and the whole town would come. Most people in Nome had their own dog team and the dogs would like roam loose on the streets and like come in the saloons and hang out. And then every night they would all howl together. Just, I mean, all these, I just imagined the sound. It sounds so beautiful.

And I'm gonna read you a quote from the book, The Cruelest Miles by Gay and Lainey Salisbury that's just talking about the dog culture in Nome at the time. An attorney named Albert Fink, who years later would defend Al Capone, would tip his hat whenever he passed a Husky he particularly respected husky he particularly respected. And he once managed to persuade a jury that his sled dog Pegg was acting in

self-defense when he slaughtered 28 sheep owned by the Pacific Cold Storage Company. Wow, that's some good lawyering. It's some good lawyering. Also, was that dog on trial? I think so, like there's no other explanation. I would love to have glimpsed that. That seems incredible. So in summer 1924, the doctor in Nome, whose name is Dr. Welch, is like going through his inventory and putting in his orders for the last shipment

of supplies that's going to come in by boat. And he notices that his diphtheria antitoxin is expired. Now this is probably not a big deal because he's been there like 20 years and has never seen a case of diphtheria. But he puts in the order anyway, he's a very scrupulous guy. And when the last boat comes in, the anti toxin is not on it. So we start the winter without this medication. And he tries not to think about it like, okay, it'll probably be fine. He hasn't needed it in a long time. And again, they're so isolated, it's hard

for diseases to come into. And can you talk about what is diphtheria? Yeah. So let's talk about diphtheria for a moment. It is super contagious and it can survive on surfaces for weeks. So, you know, it spreads very, very easily. And it's a bacteria that, I mean, I'm not a doctor, so forgive my layperson's explanation, but it creates a toxin that kills the tissue

in your respiratory system and your throat. And then that dead tissue forms what's called a pseudo membrane, which is like a really thick scab. And at the time it was called the strangling angel of children because it really targets kids. And they slowly choked to death and it's a really terrible way to die. It's not, you know, I think it's like 10% fatal. so a number of people do get better on their own, but it's a really nasty, nasty illness. And is it like, do young children die especially often from it? Yeah, it targets kids. So, so healthy adults tend to be able to recover. And that fall, Dr. Welch, he begins to see a lot of tonsillitis, like

more than usual. And he doesn't think that much about it, like the kids, some of them are recovering. And then he sees a kid with a sore throat on December 14th. She's seven years old. Her name is Margaret Sulvaida. And two weeks later, she's died. And this is really concerning because kids do not normally die of a sore throat. So Dr. Welch is starting to get really concerned about the pattern he's seeing. In January two more kids die. And on January 20th, he's visiting another sick kid

and he discovers something really scary, which is that this kid has thick scabs blocking his throat. So Dr. Welch, he doesn't have a lab, he doesn't have a way to do like a culture to see if this is really diphtheria, but it really looks like it is. And he does have a little bit of this anti-toxin, but it's expired. And he's worried that it might even harm the kids. Like maybe it's degraded, maybe it's dangerous. And even if he did use it, he only has enough for six kids.

So he has 80,000 units of the serum. And if this is diphtheria that's spreading in gnome and in the surrounding areas, he's going to need at least a million to prevent an epidemic, to prevent mass death. So immediately when he reports this to the town, they jump into action, they institute a quarantine, schools canceled, all the kids are sent home, buildings are marked with signs saying keep out if someone's sick is inside them. And Dr. Welch and his nurses, particularly a nurse named Emily Morgan who did a ton of work on this, start trying to figure out how on earth they're going to get more of

this medication to gnome when there's no efficient way for anything to get there at all. I mean, I'm also kid, do they have like initial rough ideas, like let's take a Zeppelin? Well, their first thing is they have to locate the serum. Like it's not necessarily, like they can't necessarily assume that the nearest hospital is going to have a bunch of it. So the first thing Dr. Welch does, he starts making calls and he's getting leaders across the state involved. And first they have to locate enough of the serum and then they have to figure out how they're going to get it across the frozen Alaska interior to gnome, particularly in time to save these kids and to

save all the other kids who are about to get sick. Now, a doctor in Anchorage named Dr. Beeson finds 300,000 units, which is great. It's not enough, but it's not that far from Nome like it's still in Alaska and it's a good start. Now, down on the west coast of the US of the lower 48, the public health service is able to collect 1.1 million units from different medical facilities. But first it has to get to Seattle, then it has to take a ship part of the way and it's still going to need to get to Nome. So Then it has to take a ship part of the way and it's still going to need to get to gnome. So there's this close smaller amount of serum and then there's more that's farther away that will take longer to get there. And their first priority is to get the 300,000 units to gnome as quickly as possible.

So Dr. Beeson, the doctor who found the serum and Anchorage has an idea. And he's kind of well known. He's kind of famous because he once did a house call to a village by dog sled in the interior and it took him a month, like two weeks of dogs letting to get in and two weeks of dogs letting to get out. So he saw how these dogs are able to cross really difficult terrain, push through difficult conditions. You know, if a trail is blocked, they can find a way around. They can wait out storms. These dogs are pretty incredible. And he says, what if we send this Anchorage Serum by train

to Nenana and then arrange a dog sled relay the rest of the way to Nome, which is 675 miles? And the idea makes its way to the governor of Alaska, whose name is Governor Bone, which is a great name. Perfect. Bone has to decide, like the decision rests on him. Are we going to send the serum by dog sled or do we try to send a plane? And by the way, at this point, like post gold rush, people have tried a lot of

ways to travel in Alaska because people are trying to get the gold. So people have tried horses, goats, bicycles, ice skates, passenger pigeons, hot air balloons, and reindeer, among other things. And I would say with middling success, if they have any success at all. These are not great ways to travel. So they've really exhausted their options and done a lot of experimenting.

And there's also a lot of experimental bush flying going on around this time in Alaska. Like we're sort of like entering the aviation age in this area. But mostly it's happening in summer and the coldest that these planes have flown in is minus 10 degrees, which is pretty cold. But at this moment in Fairbanks, it's minus 50 degrees. And anti-freeze hasn't been invented. The plane's engine is cooled by water, which obviously can freeze.

And oil gets really viscous in deep cold. So the winter flights that they've been doing, pilots have to land and set fires under the planes in order to warm them up again. Oh, my God, I can see that being not entirely foolproof. Right? And the plane shakes so much this whole time that like bolts and screws are coming loose, they don't have a de-icing system. And probably the biggest problem is if they put the serum in a plane and the plane goes

down, it might be lost forever. You know, it seems like you're gambling between like a technology that's in its infancy and a technology that, you know, has existed for who only knows how long, long enough for people to understand how to do it in these conditions. Right. And a lot of the mushers in Alaska at this time are native. So we have this deep well of native knowledge that's sort of being put up against like quote, unquote,

modern. I would say dog sledding is very modern too. I don't like that distinction. But you know, it's like, are you gonna trust this sort of ancient wisdom or are you gonna be too cool and too racist for it and get your shiny plane? Which is such a classic American quandary

where you're like, well, obviously, it's very appealing for us to be racist, but what if there's mass death because of it? And often we're like, yeah, let's do it. Oh my God, right. But a dog sled relay has risks too. It's slower, it typically takes 20 days for dog teams to travel this route.

So that's a long time. That's a lot of kids who could die compared to a plane that could get there very quickly. And conditions are really bad right now. It's minus 50. This is not weather that most mushers would choose to go out in because it's really dangerous. It's dangerous for the dogs. it's dangerous for the people. And Dog's Lead Relay is like old school in a way that doesn't appeal to the hype of the day for people in cities. The thoroughly modern millies, yeah.

I mean, I don't think anyone out there is like, I bet I do fine in negative 50, but like what specifically? What's the margin for error out there? That's a really good way to put it because the colder it gets the smaller the margin for error gets until it's like not even there at all You know if you take your glove off for a second if your dog doesn't have the right protective gear I mean these dogs were a lot furrier than sled dogs now, probably. And so I can't actually speak to the dogs' tolerance of these conditions because my dogs are Alaskan Huskies and these are Siberians and most mushers now use Alaskans and they

are slimmer and they're faster and they have less fur. So they need a lot more accommodations and deep cold. But you know, certainly it can be dangerous for dogs as well. If you fall through ice into water, you know, that's dangerous in any temperature, but in minus 50, like, that's a bad, bad deal. And that's something that happens, not uncommonly out there. And it also just sort of hurts when you're out in that kind of temperature. Like, it feels like you're being sort of hurts when you're out in that kind of temperature.

Like it feels like you're being sort of stabbed anywhere. There's a crease in your clothing or a seam and any sort of air is getting in. And I will mention also that these are air temperatures, not wind chill. So some of these places are going to be very windy. And that, I mean, you're going to have a bunch of wind chill on top of air temperatures that are already absurdly cold. It is really, it feels like extreme temperatures are going to become more and more a part of all of our lives, you know, kind of as we continue to live on this planet. And I feel like part of the value in learning about or understanding extreme, cold or extreme heat, you know, one small aspect of it is that it really impresses upon you how narrow a range of survival humans have and how, you know, nice it would be to maintain it.

Yeah, absolutely. And then think about, I think in extreme cold, at least, because most people haven't experienced it, the numbers become abstract. But think about the difference between like 90 degrees and 20 degrees. Snow, like that is a huge difference between 90 and 20 degrees. But that is a 70 degree difference. That's the same as the difference between 20 degrees and minus 50. It's a huge difference. And the difference between like minus 10 minus 20 is one. Mushers will start to admit it's cold. We tend to have a lot of ego involved. So like a lot of mushers,

you won't hear them say it's cold. But like once you get to like minus 10 minus 20, they'll start to be like, it's chilly out. That's sort of the code. If a musher says it's chilly, it means it's like fucking cold. And this is way past chili. It's way past mushroom chili. You know, it's just a lot to handle. So there's a lot of risks to this dog sled relay. And Governor Bone decides we're doing it anyway. We're transporting the serum by dog sled. He's like, I'm Governor Bone, I like to take risks. And this is not necessarily a popular decision. There's a newspaper editor in Fairbanks named Thompson

who was like pissed because he's like a real big proponent of aviation. He writes in the newspaper, it is demonstrated beyond a shadow of a doubt that in cases of great emergency, the dog should be allowed to sit by the fire and dream old days over again. Oh, shit.

He's telling those dogs to retire. He really, really is. Stand down, dogs. The aeroplanes are here. Is he going to be proved wrong? We'll find out. We'll find out as he twirls his mustache. So the plan is the serum is going

to go from Anchorage to Nenana on a train. That'll take it 300 miles. At that point, it'll still have 674 miles to go, and that distance is going to be by dog and musher. All of these musher are men. I actually am not sure what the deal is with female musher at that time, if there were many. Can I tell you one thing that I know that is a fact I treasure? Yeah. I know I shared this with you at some point in the past because also at some point when we were in Noam I bought a wonderful book called Good Time Girls

about sex workers of the Alaska and Yukon Gold Rush. I remember that. And there was at least one woman who the book talked about who made, because like one of the things this book describes, which is very inspiring is that you could make so much money during the gold rush in sex work and like showgirling because there were periods where men had so much gold that they didn't know what to do with it. And there wasn't anyone else around and they were just like, throw nuggets at you. He went on stage, not violently, gently. Underhand toss. Underhand, yeah, exactly. Soft fall. And one of the women this book talks about became wealthy enough to have her own dog team that she would mush, and which I feel like is really a mark of

success that you can afford to be a musher. I love that. Yeah, now there is a lot of incredible female musher and the year I ran the I did or audit had a higher percentage of female musher than ever. It was 30%, I believe that year. So the first half of the run is going to be a relay. There's going to be like, I'm not sure how many musher, but let's say a dozen and they're dogs and they're

going to be taking it in short stints, like 20 miles, 50 miles, and each one, then we'll hand off the serum to the next musher, just like a relay race, you know? So that no one has a time to get too tired, and it'll always be a fresh team that's carrying the medication. And for the second half of the relay,

the last over 300 miles, it's going to be carried by one musher and one dog team who is the fastest and most accomplished musher in Alaska. And he is a Norwegian named Leonard SEPELA. And I will tell you about SEPELA. He is a legend. He has, at this point, he's like one almost every race he's ever entered. He's broken a bunch of records. He is known for being like so in tune with his dogs. And he's a goofball, like in the summer, he has a cart that his dogs pull and he calls it the pup mobile. He walks down Front Street and gnome on his hands just like make kids laugh. And he has a lead dog named Togo, kids laugh and he has a lead dog named Togo who he is inseparable with. So wherever Sepola goes, his lead dog Togo goes.

And Togo is as famous in Alaska as Sepola. But just like in the Disney movies, he was always a little bit different. He was an unlikely sled dog. He was the only puppy in his litter. And as a puppy, he had these like throat issues, which is sort of an, I don't know, interesting narrative parallel, I guess, to the story. So most of his puppyhood,

Sepla's wife Constance would just like hold him and like put warm regs on his throat and soothe him and baby him. And then maybe he was spoiled, maybe he wasn't, but like as he got older, he became a delinquent. Like whenever Seppla left with the dog team, Togo would run after them and bite their ears, which is just a real asshole move. And he would harass the dogs.

And Seppla was like, this dog is not going to work for my team. He's too much trouble. So he, he sent Togo to a pet home. There was a woman who wanted a pet. He sends Togo to a pet home. This woman also spoils Togo. I mean, she's feeding him steak, just adoring him. Togo hates it.

He jumps through a glass window to get away and sepulofines him back in the yard with the other sled dogs. Love it. He's like, someone saved me from this life of luxury. He took too much steak. The bed is too soft. And Sepla, so now like clearly Togo's not willing to be a pet, but like Sepla cannot keep this dog contained.

Like he just is always harassing the other teams when they're going out. And he's not smart about it. Like at one point he harasses a team of Malamutes who's running by and he gets like mauled by the Malamutes because he was being a jerk to them. Oh Togo, young Togo. He is not learning his lesson. And so when he's eight months old, Sepla's like, okay, I have to go on this 160 mile trip. Whatever you do, he like tells whoever's back at his kennel, like do not let Togo loose.

Like I do not want to deal with Togo. And so he puts Togo on a tether and then inside a seven foot fence all around him on this tether. And he's like, this dog cannot get out. And he goes on his journey and it's so peaceful. And he's loving the journey. It's so peaceful.

There's no, there's no delinquent dog chasing them. It's so great. What a beautiful day. It's a beautiful day until like 36 hours later when he sees a commotion on the trail in front of him. And who is there teasing his dogs, Togo, who had broken his tether and left a seven foot fence. Ah, Togo.

And he's like harassing reindeer and like the whole thing is a mess. So, Sepla, he's like, he doesn't even know what to do. He's calling the reindeer and hanging up and delivering pizzas to their house. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Yeah, he has like spray paint in his back pocket.

Sepla's like, he doesn't know what to do. So, he has a harness. He like catches Togo and puts Togo in a harness and puts him in the back of the dog team. And the thing about dog teams, typically the way dog teams are run now, it's like two by two by two by two all the way up to the front of the team.

And the farther back you put a dog, the less trouble they can get into. So if you have a dog who is annoying or immature or distractible or is gonna like chase cats or like whatever it is, like you put them in the back. But as soon as the harness goes on him, his whole personality changes. He like leans into it, he's super focused.

And as they keep running, Sepula is so impressed that he keeps moving Togo farther and farther up the team to the front focused. And as they keep running, Sepula is so impressed that he keeps moving Togo farther and farther up the team to the front until finally Togo is up at the front of the team, leading the team with another dog. And by the end of the day, he has pulled 75 miles in his very first day in harness. This is unheard of. He is a prodigy. Yeah. And can you talk about what's more normal for a dog? Yeah. So normally, we would wait till a dog is at least one year old. And then we

would put a harness on them and we would go half a mile. And then maybe we'd go a mile and then, you know, you really gradually work your way up to it. I mean, the odds of a dog getting hurt if they're running 75 miles on their first day are pretty high. But I also trust sepula that he knew Togo's conditioning and is able to watch that. Like I'm not suggesting otherwise, but it's just a very, very unlikely situation. It's usually, you know, sled dogs know how to pull naturally in the same way that a retriever knows how to like get a tennis ball naturally, but you still ease them into it and you condition them. The harness feels funny to them, so they have to adjust to it. There's all these ways that they learn, just like anyone learns a new skill.

Can I also ask you your favorite question? How do you get the dogs to run? How do we get the dogs to run? The answer to that is how do you get them to stop? The dogs want to run? The answer to that is how do you get them to stop? Dogs want to run. They want to run, they will be running unless you are physically stopping them at all times. Like when you stop, you have to tie to a tree

because if you don't, they will run, whether or not you're attached. Like they just want to go, it is their favorite thing. So that is very easy. They might not run where you want them to go, but they will be running if they have a choice. So that was Togo's puppyhood, this goofy prodigy. He's now 12 years old at the time of our story. So he's like an elder states dog.

Yeah, absolutely. And sled dogs tend to age very well. So it's not uncommon for a 12 year old dog to run long distances, but I would say that's like right at the edge, where it's becoming really uncommon. 12 year, like pretty impressed. Like that's a story, if you have a 12 year old dog who's running hundreds of miles, it's, you know, they slow down, just like we do.

Have he and SEPLA been a team this whole time? Like has he been his lead dog ever since he was a little, you know, a little bad boy? Yes, he has. They have traveled 55,000 miles together. Oh my God. Which is so far.

At one point, I mean like the stories about Togo are endless. There's a reason this dog is famous throughout Alaska. But at one point, Cepula and the team were crossing sea ice, and the ice they were on broke off from shore, and they start drifting off to sea, and they're drifting for at least 12 hours on this ice flow, like just waiting to die. And then the wind changes, and they're sort of blown close to shore, but they're not against shore,

and it's like the only chance Seppala has to save his life in the dog's lives. But they're still like five or six feet from shore, which is too far to jump. And the water is frigid. He doesn't know what to do. He has this like last ditch effort to save the team. He picks up Togo. He ties a rope to Togo's harness. And then he like, chucks Togo over the open water and Togo lands on

the floor. And he's like, maybe Togo can like pull the entire ice flow to store to save us. And Togo starts and then the line breaks, the line between them. And Togo sees that the line has broken and fallen into the water, the frigid water jumps into the water, picks up the line in his teeth, climbs back on shore and pulls the line, like holding onto it himself and pulls the entire ice flow to shore. So the entire team is saved. Oh my God. Togo.

I know. I know. That's incredible. So, and he's a lead dog. And I want to also just talk for a moment here about lead dogs because that's something a lot of people have heard of when it comes to mushing, but they might not totally understand what it is. I give talks sometimes like to companies about sled dogs and leadership, which is really fun because it's dog stories.

And there's always two things that surprise the audience the most because they have these ideas about what a lead dog must be and The first thing is that they think the lead dog must be the alpha dog like the dominant dog And you've done it you're wrong about about alpha dog. So your listeners know yeah, but lead dogs are not necessarily dominant at all People think they've like fought their way to the front of the team, which is just it it's like, to me, that's like a male fantasy. It's just, like, it is just not true. They've backstabbed their way into leadership. It doesn't work that way. Like, lead dogs are often quiet and shy and introspective. Their position at the front of the team has nothing to do with dominance. It has to do with

liking, having an open trail in front of them. It nothing to do with dominance. It has to do with liking, having an open trail in front of them. It has to do with independence. Like, are they comfortable finding a route when they're not chasing another dog? Cause they're pack animals. They like chasing each other. So it's somewhat rare that you find a dog who sees an open trail and thinks like, I can do this on my own.

I can find this path. And then the other dogs are able to follow them. So they have a lot of skills and they could be shy and they could be quiet and they could be submissive and none of those have anything to do with their leadership abilities. They're good at finding the trail, breaking the trail in deep snow, navigating,

setting a pace, listening to cues from the musher, pushing through storms, like using their own instincts. And it's energizing for them in a way that other dogs on the team might find it exhausting to be making those decisions. Like when Tina Brown took over Vanity Fair. I have no idea how that went, but yes, I'm gonna agree. It was great, because she's a lead dog. I mean, can you also talk for a second about like the bond between Mushher and lead dog specifically? For sure. So I always relate it to like, if you see a kindergarten class, or if you're a teacher and you participate in this,

or if you're a kindergartner and you participate in this, but if you see a class walking down the street and there's like a teacher on one end and a teacher on the other and then all the little kids are holding hands and they are like chaos but they're between these two adults. That is sort of how I think of the relationship between Mushroom and Lead Dog. Like you are the adult on one end and they are the adults on the other end and they're not working for you. You're working with them.

And the other thing, people have this fantasy of like a single lead dog. And it's actually very uncommon. Almost everyone uses two lead dogs at once. They like companionship. So there's always times where you might have one legendary leader like Togo, or I have a dog named Peppy, who's just not as famous as Togo, but she's exceptional. She's extraordinary. But I will still put other dogs with her because she can like the company or she can teach them. So there's almost always two upfront. It's not just like one single solitary lead dog who is, you know, fought their way up there and is unilaterally making all the decisions.

It's almost like these ideas in masculinity culture about the natural order and leadership are made up by, you know, traumatized humans. I know. And then people try to use dogs to justify it. Yeah. And I'm like, find like a fictional metaphor because these dogs are not supporting your theories at all. Yeah. They're just way, way more collaborative. Yeah.

Then people give them credit for and fluid a team is fluid The dogs are moving around a lot and they all have different skills And you know one dog might only lead in blizzards and not really care to lead any other time But like go up there when there's a blizzard and that's when the team leans on them So it's sort of like a very beautiful fluid thing But then every now and then you have a prodigy like Togo and you know, Togo does it all. So, Sepul is going to be doing the hardest and longest part of this relay by a long shot. And that's partly because he's so fast that he's like, he's the fastest musher in Alaska and his dogs are the fastest.

And also because he and Togo are the most qualified because this is the most dangerous stretch of the trail. They're going to be crossing the frozen Norton Sound, which is sea ice. And other mushes would probably have to go around shore, which would add a whole day to the trip. This means Sephila is starting in Nome, mushing 300 miles down, picking up the serum and mushing 300 miles back. It is a long run when the other teams are doing like 20 to 50 miles. So, sepula immediately starts preparing.

On the other side of the route, the other dog teams start preparing. The serum arrives in the Nanna. It's wrapped in fur. It has these instructions pinned to it that like every time the mushers traded off at a roadhouse, which are these sort of shelter cabins, places where travelers can stop along the trail, they have to warm it up by the fire, you know, so it doesn't freeze too deep, although obviously it's going to freeze.

And then off it goes. And like once it's gone, no one's going to know where it is. Like it's just going to, you know, you just have to trust this relay is working. So the first musher is a guy called Wild Bill Shannon. He has a 50 mile stint and he is known for being wild. Like you'd, like if you're called Wild Bill at this point in Alaska, like you're pretty, you're pretty wild. It's not a clever name.

It's just literal. He has a nine dog team. They're pretty young. Most of them are like two years old and conditions are awful. It's 50 below zero and horses have been on the trail. And while this is a real problem, if a moose has been on the trail, there's these things called moose holes, which are just these like deep cylindrical holes that a dog can step in and twist their ankle. And I have never shared a trail with horses, but I imagine it's exactly the same,

that they would punch these deep small holes in the trail. And it's really dangerous for dogs to run on that. So not great conditions. Wild Bill steers off the trail. He's on a river thinking that that's safer. He gets caught on black ice. He's getting dangerously hypothermic. Like if it's 50 degrees on the riverbank, it's always, always colder once you go down

on the river ice. And he's not showing up at the next place. People start to get worried. When he finally arrives at that roadhouse, it's 62 below. His face has turned black because the tissue has died from frostbite. And unfortunately, three of his dogs have serious cold injuries as well. So already things are not looking good, but they hand off the serum to the next musher, whose name is Edgar Callens.

And I really want to emphasize here that these are not conditions that mushers or teams would choose to run in unless it was a life or death situation. They were pushing on through these conditions. The mushers were making this decision, putting themselves and putting the dogs in this position because they were trying to save countless kids from dying a terrible death. So very sadly, those three dogs from Wild Bill's team ended up passing away.

And he took a long time to recover from his cold injuries. And I have to say in my 15 years of mushing and talking to old timers and talking to veterinarians, the cold injuries these dogs had are not something I've ever even heard of a dog having, even in temperatures down to like minus 40, minus 50. So it just reinforces for me how incredibly extreme those conditions are. I mean, horrific. And whenever Wild Bill talked about the run, you know, all these, all these mushes were asked about the ceremony for the rest of their lives. He would always, always, always talk about those three dogs whose names were Cub, Jack,

and Jet. Meanwhile, the diphtheria is spreading in no. And the whole country is watching. They're wrapped and they're horrified, and people want to help, but they can't. The whole country is just holding its breath. And at this point, seeing how things are going, Governor Bone makes a new decision. He changes his mind about Leonard Zeppela doing half of the stuff on his own. And he decides the whole relay should be made only with short stints. However, Zeppela has already started Masha, Sepula and Togo, and there's no way to contact him.

So they can only hope that somebody along the way who knows this new plan is gonna intercept him. Meanwhile, because they're hoping to add more Masha's to the second half of the run, they call another Masha near Nome called Gunnar Kosen, who is also Norwegian. And I'm not totally sure what his deal is if he's a handler, an assistant, or a junior musher, or just a musher who works with Seppla,

but they tell him to get ready. And for some reason, he is using Seppla's remaining dogs rather than his own team. It seems like he doesn't have his own dogs. And Seppla has given explicit instructions that if someone takes a't have his own dogs. And Seppla has given explicit instructions that if someone takes a team from his remaining dogs for any reason, the lead dog should be a dog named Fox, who's very experienced. And this is an important rule of mushing. If a musher tells you to do something one way

with their dogs, you do not mess with that. They know their dogs better than you do. It doesn't have to make sense to you, like you do what mess with that. They know their dogs better than you do. It doesn't have to make sense to you. You do what they tell you. So it's like a huge fo- I mean, if you don't do what a musher tells you, if a musher says, feed the dogs this way and it doesn't make sense to you and you do it differently, that's it. That could end a friendship.

But Gunnar decides, what the heck? I'm not going to listen to Sepola. I'm not going to take Fox as my lead dog. Sepula's not here to stop me. And he picks a dog who he thinks is cool to be his leader. And that dog's name is Balto. And there he is. So according to this new plan, Gunnar and his secret lead dog Balto are supposed to take the second to last portion of the relay to Gnome. And he takes his team, he gets situated,

and he's just waiting for the serum to arrive. Cepula, he's still mushing 300 miles. He has no idea what's going on. And the relay continues. A musher named Edgar Callens delivers the serum to Manly Hot Springs. His hands are frozen to the sled when he gets there and they have to pour boiling water on him.

In Calteg, there's a musher named Tommy Patsy who picks up the serum and takes it to this final portage over the coast which is like 70 miles and I'm fond of that stretch because I once got trapped there for like two days. But once you get over this land mass then you see the coast and there's storms rolling off the coast and it's very intense. He makes it to Unilec Leap. He gives the serum to a mushroom named Miles Ganang Nan. And Miles now has a decision to make.

Is he going to cross the sea ice, which is what Seppala would have done, or is he going to stay on the shore and go the longer route? And the sea ice is shifting. It's dangerous. He decides to go on shore. And he doesn't know that at this exact time, Seppala and Togo are on the other side and have decided to cross the ice. They're going to miss each other. So Gnagnan, he has a tough run, heavy drifts, he finally arrives in the next village, Shaktulik,

and he passes the serum to a musher named Henry Ivanov. And at this point, everyone figures like they've missed sepula. Like who knows where sepula is. But sepula is still crossing the sound and he sees the team in distress. And he's like, I'm trying to save all the children of gnome. So he's planning on just ignoring this team. Like he's going to mush on by like they can fix themselves. And as he's mushing by sort of not super close to this team, the musher waves his arms desperately

and screams, I have the serum! I have the serum and flags down SEPHILA. Oh my god. And the serum gets passed into SEPHILA's hands. Now, is SEPHILA even supposed to have the serum at this point? Nobody knows. Like, it's chaos. But they now have the hardest portion of the trail. And they get caught in a blizzard offshore where there's like water like spraying up between cracks in the ice. The surface is heaving beneath them. They cross the section of ice and like after they get off it, the whole thing floats out to sea. They have to climb a series of ridges to the top of a

mountain called Little McKinley and they like they do it all beautifully. Back in Nome, of course, Dr. Welch is just like watching and waiting and panicking. And he sees this bad weather coming in. He sees the storms. He knows how dangerous it is. And he begins to second guess the whole thing because he is afraid that if a musher goes off course, the serum will be lost permanently. and it's not worth it. So he calls the board of health and he asked them, please end the relay, cancel it. Just like save the serum, we'll find another way to get it here, we'll wait till conditions are better.

And the board of health says, okay, good idea, we're gonna cancel the relay. But they can't reach the mushers. Nobody has a way to tell the mushers that the relay. Wow. But they can't reach the mushers. Yeah. Nobody has a way to tell the mushers that the relay's canceled, just like they couldn't reach Seppla and tell him they didn't want him to do 600 miles. Like Guna Kosen, the musher who took Balto, was like sitting there waiting. He's supposed to get that message and he does not.

So he's sitting at a roadhouse. He's waiting for a musher named Olsen. And when Olsen arrives, things are looking bad. You know at this point, like you know the pattern, like these are bad conditions. Nobody's finishing their run wanting to do it again, except for Sappala maybe. And Olsen's hypothermic, Gunnar helps Olsen and all his dogs into the heated room. And Olsen is like, whatever you do, do not go into that storm. It has hurricane force wind.

Like do not leave the shelter. You're going to lose the serum. And, you know, Klosson, does he like listening to people? No. Learn this about him. He's like, whatever. And he goes into the storm. And it's just a mess. Like he's in snow chest deep.

The dogs are like swimming in powder. They cross a river. They get caught in overflow. And they get caught in a blowhole, which is like this wind tunnel with 70 miles per hour wind. And the sled keeps getting rolled off the trail. The team is being blown around. Kostin just keeps like dragging them back into place and as he's doing it, he realizes the

serum isn't on the sled anymore. Oh my God. And he's in this wind tunnel. He can't see. The dogs are being blown around. He's being blown around. The sled is being like, it's been rolling like a tumbleweed for miles. Like how far back did he lose the serum? How will he possibly find it? And he just starts crawling, just crawling, stretching his arms out. Like just, I mean, imagine what you would do. Like just flattening himself, trying to touch every surface possible, like praying, terrified.

He searches and he searches and he searches and then his hand touches something hard and it's the serum. He finds the package and he's able to get it back to the sled. He ties it back on and they make it through the blowhole. The conditions get better and they make it to safety, which is the last stop before no. And Sarah, one of the pleasures of being on your podcast is that I can tell your audience about things you do that you don't tell them. That's true.

So I want to share a cute thing Sarah did a couple of years ago when she was staying with us for a while. And I was finishing my book Dogs on the Trail, which is a book about life with a sled dog team. It's a beautiful book. Aw, thank you. I was stressed about it and I was under deadline. And like just overthinking everything. Sarah goes, you've made it to safety.

Like you're so close. You've made it to safety. You're almost to numb in this book editing process. And the Roadhouse at Safety now has dollar bills taped all over the ceiling. Like people just attach dollar bills to the ceiling and walls. So Sarah taped a bunch of dollar bills to the ceiling in our house. And one of them is still there two years later. And people are always like, why is there a dollar to your ceiling? And I'm like, it is because Sarah told me I'm in safety. And I'm so close to gnome and that reminds me when things are hard, like you're in safety.

Sarah believes in you. God, I really do. I believe you could go 55,000 miles. You've probably gotten some significant portion of that. I don't think so. I think in my big, like a very big mushing year is like 5,000 miles. Well, you know, many of us mush zero miles per year. No.

I wonder which of your listeners has mushed the farthest. Please write in and tell us. I am so excited to learn that. I suspect that podcasts are like, especially beloved by people who have to spend a lot of time working on their own in a way that allows them to listen to something, and that's my surest, baby. However, I also think a lot about something, I remember you saying, which is that it's so hard to get from the couch to the bed at night because it's safety to gnome.

Sometimes that last stretch is the hardest stretch. Yeah. So Gunnar reaches safety, Gunnar Kosen, with Balto in lead. And the Roadhouse at safety is dark. The lights are off, which means the mush are waiting there. Ed Roan is asleep. And the protocol is to go in and wake him up and pass off the serum. And then Roan would take his fresh team and continue on to gnome.

But Kossin decides not to. And the reason he gives is he says that it will take too long for Ron to hook up a new team. That he just figured he could get there faster than if Ron hooked up a new team. But it's also true that if Cossin skips Roan, if he doesn't hand off the serum, he's gonna be the one who carries it into no and gets all the glory. And I don't know if that was his reasoning, but I think there's a strong argument to be made

because it doesn't take that long to hook up a team, right? And then a fresh team is always faster than a team that's been running. So, I mean, there's even races that have sourdough starts where the mushers all start in their sleeping bags and like a whistle blows and then they like hook up their teams as quickly as they can. And like you can do it in minutes

if you're very experienced. And I feel like over time, you can, you know, come to believe that like, no, it was entirely because of the timing issue. But even subconsciously, even if you believe that your reason is something else, on some level, I'm sure you're still like, but this way I'll judge the make your own bikini contest. Right. Or if he's like, look, my dogs are doing well, I can do it.

Yeah. Anyway, later there's going to be a lot of debate about this. Mm-hmm. And he always sticks by his story, but, you know, there's some who do not fully buy that it's the full explanation. One of his dogs spoke out. So he slips past the roadhouse. He doesn't wake up the other musher. And the last 20 miles are easy. You could get a storm or something, but they're flat. They're pretty smooth, you know, and the

wind is behind him. So he gets to Gnome at 5.30 in the morning on February 2nd with Balthau leading the way. Trotting into history. Trotting into history. And this relay has carried the serum in an incredibly short time. Normally it takes almost 20 days for dog teams to cover this distance, but they have done it in five days and seven hours. Oh my God. Within a few hours, the serum is thawed and ready to use. And they're still going to have to get more serum there. Like there's more plants, but the worst of the epidemic is averted.

It's also like it makes sense that the rest of America followed this so closely because we just been through such a giant epidemic. And it feels like, you know, we would be fascinated by, you know, the hope that something like that on a smaller scale could actually be averted. Yeah, absolutely. And that the 1918 flu was horrific in Alaskan villages. I was actually up in Unilec Lee when COVID hit. The 1918 flu was horrific in Alaskan villages. I was actually up in Unilec Leap when COVID hit, and people were talking about it, and there was one woman there who said

that in her village, only four people had survived the flu. Oh my God. And I think it was her grandmother who was one of them. She had been a little kid and one of the only survivors in the entire village. So the memory was deeply traumatic and very fresh. And I'm sure it was on people's minds as they were figuring out how to save these kids.

Yeah. Now, of course, the country had been following along, holding its breath. And there was instant national glory for, I would say, all the dogs and mushrooms, but particularly for Cawson and Balto. The publicity around the run helped to get diphtheria vaccines popularized in the US. Ah, the great diphtheria vaccine fad.

Mail came from all over the country to Nome. Most of it addressed to Balto. The newspaper Nome published an apology because they couldn't publish all of the children's poems to Balto because they ran out of space. Oh my god. And most of the mushers and dogs who had been in the run just sort of returned to their daily lives. Like, a lot of them were young. They were 18, 19, 20 years old. When interviewed, a lot of them would say like, it was sort of a day in the life. Like it wasn't actually that different from a lot of, you know, what we had to do. And lives were on the line all the time

where they'd be carrying people who needed medical care. And this was another instance of that. The last surviving serum run, Muesher, his name is Nolner, and he died in 1999. He had been 20 in the serum run. He had more than 200 grandkids at the time he passed away, which is also, I would say Togo had a lot of children as well. That's great.

So we love to see it. Do you remember the editor in Fairbanks who thought the dog should sit by the fire and retire? Yes, I do. He had to eat his words and he wrote in the newspaper, we believe in the airship and we believe in the dog. The airship will go when it can, but the dog seems to go whether he can or not. We take our hat off to the dog. It's so beautiful. And Cossin and Balto are instant national celebrities. They get a movie deal, they get a national tour.

There's of course the statue of Balto in Central Park, which I loved as a kid and is featured in the Balto movie. And a promoter ends up buying the team. I don't know what a promoter is, but it's shady. These dogs become celebrities in a way that it is not great for a dog to become a celebrity or for anyone vulnerable, you know, like you have to worry. Yeah, what happens? What are their lives like? Well, I'll get to that. But what's going on with Seppla and Togo at this time, Togo has gone missing. So Seppla is like not involved in this hubbub at

all, because he's afraid Togo died. I mean, he's worried that someone shot him and thought he was a wolf or he got caught in a trap and he's just searching desperately for his best friend and then after a week, Togo just walks home. Like he had just been like, that adventure wasn't enough. I had another one. So. I love Togo. So all as well with Togo. You know, and Sepla is like not thrilled with the media attention because newspapers

are giving Balto credit for things that Togo did. There's this weird question about whether Klausen skipped the last mushroom on purpose. And also like, you know, Sepla is really proud of Togo. And he feels like Togo should be honored for what he did. And Balto did great things too. No bad dogs.

They're all great. But like Togo did a lot and deserves his recognition as well. But actually in the end, Togo sort of ends up better off. Like Balto and his teammates, remember that quote unquote promoter? They end up in a sideshow in Los Angeles and people can like pay a dime to go into a room and see them. And it is, it is not a good place for a sled dog or any dog and they're there for a while until someone finds them and

rescues them like buys them for $20,000 does a national campaign to raise money and The dogs are rescued. They're brought to much much better conditions. So it has a happy ending, but it's also very sad that they just sort of had slipped through the cracks like that. Yeah. And that like, Balto the Hero dog is destroyed by the wheel of fame, much like Judy Garland. Yeah, right. I mean, it's like once you become someone who makes money for other people, they don't really care what condition you're in. Yeah. Togo does well. Togo just keeps being a

sled dog up in Alaska. Good for Togo. That's his life. That's what he's meant for. That's what he loves. And he's getting older. You know, the serum run, he was 12. So he's slowing down, but he runs as long as he's able to. And Sepula said, this is, this is beautiful. It's sad. It makes me cry, but it's beautiful. Sepula said, um, it was a sad parting on a cold gray March morning when Togo raised a small paw to my knee as of questioning why he was not going with me. When he stopped being able to go on runs.

Oh, Togo. He had a beautiful old age. He lived to the ripe old age of 16, you know, sleeping by the fire with the people he loved. So may we all have that kind of old age. Yeah. And may we not end up in a sideshow? Never. No side shows.

The last official dog sled male in Alaska was delivered in 1963, which I think is surprisingly recently The last official dog sled mail in Alaska was delivered in 1963, which I think is surprisingly recently by a musher named Chester Noonlach on St. Lawrence Island. At that point, like sled dogs just sort of were being replaced by machines. A machine, you turn a key and sled dogs are a lot of work and they have personalities and it's a whole relationship you have with a team. It's not like a car you can park in your garage or a snowmobile.

So they started fading out and there was actually a concern for a while that sled dogs were going to basically go extinct. A lot of people have heard of the Iditarod race, which is a thousand mile race across Alaska by dog sled and believe it commemorates the Sarum run, which it doesn't really, it actually, it actually was developed to save sled dogs when sled dogs were in danger of going extinct and to save the lifestyle of long distance mushing. And it was very effective. It made a big difference. You know, this race sort of rekindled interest. And

now there's, you know, I live in northern Wisconsin, although I spend a lot of my time in Alaska and, you know, in a town of 500, we have three mushers. There's a lot of mushing that's sort of being rekindled. There's a lot of urban mushing, which is, you know, dogs pulling. If you have one or two pet dogs in a city, you can have them pull you on a, on a bike or a scooter. And I think it's really interesting to see how mushing is going to change, but it's also very healthy now.

You know, sled dogs are very healthy. They're very healthy dogs. People fall in love with them. And they had this brush with extinction, and now there's beautiful communities built around them again. So the Iditarod, it's linked to the serum run. It follows some of the same route. It was not established in honor of the serum run.

However, one of the most highly respected awards in the entire race, at least among mushers, I don't know if spectators, casual spectators probably don't follow this, but it's the Humanitarian Award, which is chosen by veterinarians. And it's just like exceptional dog care, exceptional bond with your team, just like exceptional dog care, exceptional bond

with your team, just the best dog care out of everyone in the race. There's so many mushers who are just doing everything they can for their dogs. And it is called the Leonard Sipola Award. So that's a huge honor that goes on to this day. They're all good dogs, but by making it the story of one hero dog instead of emphasizing,

you know, that there were really these two remarkable lead dogs and then all the other dogs and the, you know, the teams working together to make this possible. Like it feels like what the Balto story that I grew up with and seeing as more connected to the Editarod than it is kind of hides is that, you know, this isn't a story about individual excellence so much as what the bond between a team and between dog and human can do. Absolutely. And it's that same instinct where people want to think there's one lead dog who's bossing

around the whole team. Like there's one lead dog who's bossing around the whole team. Like there's one representative. This wasn't Togo's Seremon and it wasn't Seppla's and it wasn't Baltos and it wasn't any one persons or any one dogs. It was an incredible teamwork effort. I think by the end there were 20 different mushers who were involved. That means 20 different teams and, you know,

every one of them deserves that kind of praise. We like to choose a figurehead and give them the credit, but it's always more collaborative than that. Yeah. And I feel like that's something that I love about the way you talk about Mushing is that, you know, from the time I first met you, it feels like you always lead with emphasizing the fact that, you know, you are privileged to join their world. Oh yeah, absolutely.

And I was just talking to someone the other day because they were talking about sort of how grueling distance mushing is. And I was trying to explain that like, I will put myself through a lot. And it is not necessarily fun for me in the typical sense all the time, but I will not do that to my dogs. Like I want them to be having fun all the time, but I will put myself through a lot so I can be there out with them and learn from them and see things with them and I don't know. It's just incredible to see their instincts and experience the world as they do. Yeah, and to kind of it seems like be out in a place where they're totally in their element and you get to share that with them.

You've been mushing. How do you feel like it is? Yeah, it feels like you get to be part of their joy and like you get to be part of their secret world. You know? And like I feel very grateful to the dogs for letting us into that. I love that, their secret world. That is what it feels like. They have their secrets, but sometimes they let us in on them. Yeah, well, they're not very sneaky. Claire Braverman, I am so lucky to know you.

You're the person who taught me I wasn't entirely an indoor girl. And you've written a book called Small Game. You've got, you know, just always a ton of great projects going on in addition to whatever adventures you're planning with your dogs. What are you up to these days? Well, I have some dog projects in the works and some book projects in the works. And none of them are quite at the announcement level yet, but I cannot wait to tell you when they are.

In the meantime, my novel, Small Game, came out in paperback on October 3rd. And if you wanna learn more about dog sledding, my husband and I have a book called Dogs on the Trail, which has a lot of photos. It's very kid-friendly, and it just follows a year in the life of a sled dog team and shows you behind the scenes. So if you're intrigued by this episode, that's one way you can learn more. And you can look at pictures of Peppy.

They're really cute and Sarah's in it. She's also really cute. It is really a such a beautiful book and I don't know, I think it's such a special book because I can imagine, you know, the kids especially who get to see it and feel like this way of life is in reach for them because they have photographic evidence of it. Well if you want to brainwash your child into becoming a musher, you have more options beyond Walter the bravest dog ever. Aww, and you did that for us.

You can branch out. Thank you so much for everything Blair. Oh, thank you Sarah, I miss you. I miss you too. Well the dogs say hi, they love you very, very much. Hi dogs, and you can please tell them, tell them I love each and every one of them and also that I say I will tell them I will play the podcast.

And that was our episode. Thank you so much for listening. Thank you so much to Blair Braverman, author of Small Game, for coming on our show and exposing us to truth and joy yet again. Thank you to Miranda Zickler for editing. Thank you to Carolyn Kendrick for producing. Thank you to you for listening. It's a great team we've got here. And we will see you all in two weeks. Music