ZM's Fletch, Vaughan & Hayley - Fletch, Vaughan & Hayley's Big Pod - August 14th 2025

Episode Date: August 13, 2025

Mr Beast Burger The rise of greysexuals Tiktok hotel booking Top 6 mystery meat recipes Delete photos from your cloud to save the environment SLP Would you consider being in an open relationship? Could you actually sue someone's finger to unlock a device Shannon got catcalled When you did have to say sorry Johann Hari Vaughan's Injured his finger again Fact of the Day What's the best free thing you've got?See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

From the ZDM podcast network This is Fleshwin and Haley's Big Pod Thanks to animates Making Happy Happen for Pets ZM's Fletchvorn and Haley Thank you Bryn, good morning Welcome to the show Fletch Fawn and Haley Haley joining us from our Wellington studio this morning

Kiyoda, Kiyoda, beautiful here I can't actually see, it's black outside Do you know, I've said this before I think when I brought it night, yeah Or early morning Yeah, or dark outside Do you know I don't think if I've heard someone say

It's black outside It's dark outside, it's dark outside Oh dark outside, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah But this, the Wellington office Every time I've got to say They've got such a wonderful view Windows and we're up high It's lovely

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So thanks to Nia and we'll give you the chances this morning to play. Win that cash at 7 and at 8. The top six is on the way. Mystery Meat in the news. Yeah, mystery meat recipes. This has been spotted and since withdrawn from a Woolies. Sort of, you know, when you're in the deli and behind the glass, there might be some tangy slaw.

Which, by the way, is the cheapest and also the most delicious of the slaws available. But when my slaw tangs. Yeah, yeah, like a tangle swore. And all those bits and pieces. Well, there was this bin of like mystery meats and it was all like the end of salamis and sausages and bits and pieces that obviously maybe hadn't sold or... Yeah, they kind of cut them into cubes. Yeah, it was kind of cheap, but also mystery.

But I got some recipes. Yeah. I got some recipes for mystery meat. We'll get into this because he was a backlash and they've withdrawn it yesterday. Yeah. From sale from that supermarket. We'll get into that. I don't know.

I just... I hate the idea. Better than wasting it entirely. If you don't want to buy it, don't buy it. But anyway, next on the show, though. Speaking of Mystery Meets, Mr. Beast. That's not a great segue, because that just sort of makes me think of all sorts of things.

Mystery Meets and Mr. Bees. And Auckland, what have these things got in common? Play Z-M's, Flashborn and Haley. Mr. Beast, I believe, still the most subscribed YouTuber. Yeah, he is, yeah. God, his wealth. I saw this infograph. Is that what we call them?

Infographic? Yeah, it's like a graph, but it's a bit more entertaining. I think we should call it an inter-intergraph. Into-intagraph. And it was like his wealth tracking next to other people's wealth and how quickly he went from being like a millionaire to a billionaire, so fast. Yeah, so he's estimated to be worth $1 billion. Whew.

Isn't that insane? Is he? Yeah. Is he the first billionaire, like, blogger effectively? Probably, yeah, probably But he puts most of it back into the videos Which is why they're so good Yeah, okay

Well, I'm just reading about Mr. Beast Mr. Burgers Coming to New Zealand It's going to be operating out of Auckland And the ghost kitchen model To start with? Oh, so, well, like only on Like, Uber Eats and Deliverets

And DoorDash and that Are going to be delivering it But it's not going to have like And how do ghost kitchens work? They're like, Ooh, what do you want? That's right. The chefs just walk through walls and stuff.

And then the food stops, though. They're walking through the wall, but the burger hits the wall and stops. But it's not an apparation. Yes. Because they don't have those ghostly powers yet. It's crazy you had to even ask how a ghost quick kitchen works. I do apologize.

It was a dumb question. It's just like a kitchen without a front, a storefront. Yeah. And in a warehouse somewhere. Right. Yeah. Well, that's the model that's going. for other things I can tell you.

Launch time is going to be 3pm on August 29. Well, that's very soon. Yeah. Friday fortnight. It's going to be operating primarily at a Freeman's Bay in Auckland. It's kind of like where one of the, I guess, one of the ghost kitchens is going to be. More New Zealand locations planned in the future. Opening weekend perks.

There's going to be giveaways for the first 500 customers. Oh, do you reckon he's just going to chuck that gross chocolate in with every order? Oh, yuck. But, yuck, that chocolate sucks. Is this a case of a burger being any good or a burger on brand? Okay, so I did a little bit of a look into like this burger joint to see like, you know, where else it is and what it's about. And this is, so it's in partnership with virtual dining concepts, which is an American company, which specializes in virtual restaurants. Now, it was founded and it's set up by one of the people.

that started Planet Hollywood. Do you remember those? Oh, God. I wrote to Planet Hollywood. As a child, I wanted to eat there so badly, and I never got the chance. Oh, babe. I know. They have a bunch of concept places like this.

They do stuff with Pauli D. Pauli D's Italian selves. Tiger Fights and NASCAR refuel. So they must do this kind of all over the place. Did you guys see that I watched the documentary about Mr. Bees opening the first Beesburger's join? and like the stress of it had the first storefront and the first 500 people and they'd like shut down the mall that it was in

in America and it went absolutely crazy and then people were saying the burgers were good unlike the chocolate which is honestly it's virtually inedible but then he sued them there was a lawsuit in 2023 against this virtual dining concepts breach of contract because he said that the burgers the quality

wasn't up to standard so there was this whole staff so he's saying you got my name on it and it's not good enough Yes. Okay. But I mean, they're obviously still in business and they must have worked it out and I don't know. Are they using a press? Because me and Vaugh got paddy presses off of Timo.

Dude. And they're game change. Game changers. Really? And do you know what I actually used that press for the other day, Haley? Toasty? Yes. Yes.

And I put the press on its own element to heat it up and then when I made toasties in the pan, I put it on top. And it left grill marks. I didn't even thought about preheating the press. Preheat the press. Oh my problem because yeah I do it sometimes if I'm toasting a rap or a to hold it down That push and it'll hold the wrap together But then when I heated it and held the wrap together It also put like some nice sear marks on the top

Are you worried about this Timo meat press kind of leaching in some kind of toxins Yeah, it's got a chemical coating I'm absolutely dosing myself up with toxins every day What's another one in the mix? Yeah A cocktail of toxins Play ZM's Flash Vaughan and Haley How many sexuals

Do you reckon you guys know when you're talking about sexuality? Demi. Livado. Livado. Homosexuals. Heterosexuals. Heterosexuals.

Hesexuals. Hasexuals. That's it. I think that's it. Sexual healing. Yeah. You know? Yeah.

When I get that feeling I want sexual healing. Yeah, sure. Yeah. That's another one. Well, I actually haven't heard of grey sexual, which is apparently a term that's on the rise, particularly amongst the millennials and the generation Z. And this is a term, I mean, I'm sure it's one of those things that's been around for a while,

but now it's maybe in the, in the zeitgeist a bit more. It's a term we're hearing more. It's got a label now. Well, I know we didn't have pans, you know, for many years. It was your gays, your straits and your boths, and that was sort of all we accepted. So gray sexuality is kind of a mixture between asexual, which have no kind of sexual feelings ever and they just sort of like

maybe an emotional relationship but not a sexual one and your general sexuality so it's infrequent attraction very rarely will they experience a sexual attraction to a person or under very specific circumstances with quite low intensity but not to be muddled I guess with a low sex driver

it's just sort of that was going to be my question Wouldn't you just be like straight or buy or gay or whatever, but with a low sex drive? Yeah, but I think that you're not. It's different. It's sort of because it's also about, it's not about how often you want to be sexual. It's also with who. It's kind of, you're very just sort of gray and quite neutral.

And then a lot of people who say they're gray sexual are like, I don't feel anything for anyone unless insert very specific, specific circumstances here. You know what I mean? I'd just call that picky. Picky. Do you know, maybe I'm very sexual unless they're over six foot four and they've got a hairy face and then, you know, a bit of money and maybe their name is Jason Mamoire. But yeah, apparently, because they're saying that I was like amid concerns

that Gen Zs are having less sexual partners than previous generations. Right. I was like, is that really a concern? That they're having less sexual partners? Well, I guess there's not as much human connection. Not such human connection Not as much humans coming out Which I think would be less of a concern

People do get a little concerned With the lack of humans coming out Of other humans Of coming forth from other Because when we're old and retired No one will be able to pay for our retirement And I've bags my kids tax money Because I've got that's not how it works

That's how it's going to work My bags that their tax money looks after me specifically Who are you bagging it from? Like I didn't even know it was up for grabs Yes it's government For us can we bags it? Yeah. Well, if you've got kids, you don't have kids though, so.

I'm trying to see if the grey sexuals have a text us as well, 9-6-9-6. If you identify as a grey sexual, because it's a term I haven't heard before. They have, guys, I mean, I know it seems sort of, it's up for grabs. They don't have a flag yet. I'm looking on the 21 flags. Don't get me started on the flag. They'll add another thing to the flag. It's already crowded.

It's crowded. Like, it's too much. Are we going to... They do have a flag. I'm looking at it. Do they? It goes... It's horizontal stripes.

Yep. And it goes purple, grey, white, grey, purple. Because the asexual one goes, stripes, horizontal, black, grey, white, purple. So it's a variation of that. That's the asexual flag. And then there's the demisexual looks like the South African flag. Does it? Except the exciting corner bit.

Yep. It's just a black triangle. No springbok. No springbok. And now what's a demisexual? Because for some reason I'm thinking sort of monsters and, you know, like a demigod, sort of a stranger thing situation. Let me give this a quick Google. It's a sexual orientation where someone only experiences sexual attraction after forming a strong emotional connection with another person.

Oh, no, I don't require that. So they can't have a mindless shag. What's the opposite of a demisection? What's the opposite of that? What's the opposite? Because then you've got your Haley Sprow definition. What's your opposite of them asexual? Opposite of demisexual is considered fray-sexual

Frais-sexual They listen to the fray The fray they have sex The 2000s band Fray-sexual individuals experience sexual attractions to strangers or those they don't know well With the attraction fading as they get to know the person

Fletch Fletch! It's Fletch! Play ZM Fletch Forne and Haley Well TikTok has teamed up with Hotel platform bookie dot com and uh you will now when you're on ticot if you see a travel influencer at a hotel like

i don't know they're in europe or they're in bali or uh on the goldie wherever yeah and they're like oh my god look at my room look at the people here at the hotel yeah you'll be able to book it uh through ticot sick sick so cool easy well i mean so it's like immediate that's the immediacy of it right is going like you like this literally come click on this and you can also be here. Does that mean we're just going to be like, you know, bombarded with travel influencers now? Yes.

Showing off hotels and then we'll click on them and they're going to be really expensive. Yeah. They're already doing. They're not bluntly sharing the Holiday Inn. Holiday Inn. You know what I mean? Like they're not promoing stuff that you could actually afford. We can't talk about Chingi

twice in a week. I thought we could revisit two Chingi references at the holiday. in one week. The show's getting too chingy heavy. I'm going to say it, okay? Okay, I apologize to all of our

non-chingy-based listeners. But no, producer Shannon Hose in charge of our social media, New Zealanders can't make money, eh? Oh, we could do it. What do you mean? I forgot we even had a TikTok. We're going to show TikTok.

We can do this. We're verified now. American influences have been able to TikTok go, right, and monetize their content, whereas New Zealanders can't. So we're not a part of the creator fund. But obviously there's lots of Kiwi-based TikTokers and they make their money through brand deals and stuff.

Okay. We also don't have TikTok shop. But I will say using TikTok every day, Karwin and I constantly are sending each other ads and I've actually bought stuff because of TikTok ads for sure, especially makeup products. It's a real great market for it. Totally.

Really? Yeah. Like lip stain. Yeah. I bought a lip stain, you know. You don't want to stain your lips? Yeah. No, you do.

You do want to say, you're lip-y all day. You do want to stain your lips. I didn't know. Yeah, well, you know, Carmen and I, some of our favorite creators, you find someone who looks a lot like you. So, like, I know Carmen found someone who has a similar hair color, and then we'll be like, that looks good. Is that confronting them finding someone that looks like you?

No, it's so helpful. So I'd have to find, like, is Adriya Ahjornah, you know, Jason's girlfriend? I'd probably find her. Like a real model. What would you do when you found it? So, because did you hear just Shannon was saying before when you're looking for influences? I definitely heard what Shannon. I definitely heard what Shannon.

I just don't know how it relates to you. So what she said is, what you want to do is to, is to see how a product would look on you you find someone who's similar looking to you so I would go like Adria Ajona Yeah right Why are you looking at her again Because Shannon said you find someone that looks like you

Can you, is his headphones on Fletch So what you're doing You're asking me to jump a canyon Between two wild topics You're saying He's just intolerable listen I see what she's saying Yeah

She's saying she looks like Very funny Very funny Haley I'm not doing my jokes Are you not doing comedy right now? I'm not only jokes. What I do, sometimes Vaughan, as I do comedy and sometimes I'm just trying to relate to the information

that's been given to me. Now, what Shannon said is you find a model that looks like you and I'm saying, Jason Momor's girlfriend, Adria, that's he's got a type. Oh, okay. Obviously, obviously does, yeah. God, you're thick. Yeah, I am a bit, but I have it, I'm going to have it, please.

Let me have what? I'm just, I feel, is it, because I'm in Wellington, I'm not, we're not on the same wavelength. Maybe. Right. Yeah. I think the Zoom links breaking up there. Can we get a carbon dioxide check in the Wellington studio?

Someone's a little delulu down there. Play ZM's Fletchbourne and Haley. Play ZM's Fletchborn and Haley. From the Fletchforn and Haley group chat, this is the top six. Well, in Auckland, our metro supermarket has ended the sale of its $15 per kilogram mystery meat selection. Woolies, I saw this on Reddit. Someone's like, is this a recession indicator? it's a stainless steel tray in the deli it says

meat pieces mixed $15 a kilogram I can see in there Savloi I can see in there salami ends I can see in there chopped up sausages I can see what looks to be some sort of chicken meat I mean this is all meat I'd eat it like this is all meat I'd eat yeah but why was there an outcry because initially the post was on Reddit but then it went mainstream news

And the cost of it, $15 a kilogram for that slop, said somebody. It's a lot safer assholes and eyelids. So they compared it to some other meat for sale. Bone and pork shoulder roast at the same store, $12.95 per kilogram. But you've got to buy the whole pork roast and you've got to cook it. And you've got to cook it. A kilogram of boneless, skinless chicken breast, 1290 per kilogram, but usually 15. So usually the same price.

But again, you've got to cook it. Yeah. Yeah. This would rule as like a go bag for a tradie. I don't like that term go bag I'm talking about meat A go bag You know horses

They have those bags strapped to their faces Well I've got the top six recipes For mystery meat And I was just trying to write like silly things And then I said I would turn to my age old companion And someone who helps me meal plan

And stick to a budget chat GPT And I've eaten it up with actually Like good recipes It's out really Okay sell it to me Because so far I'm trying not to be sick Okay Number six on the list

Creamy pasta and Meat Bits You know, no, no, no. So you buy a mac and cheese, a box of mac and cheese. Yeah. And you cook that up. You saute the meat mix and butter and then stir it into the mac and cheese and you've got a meaty mac and cheese. Oh, I don't know. But are we getting chicken?

Are we getting the gnarly bits of the chalk, you know? Norley. We're getting anything we want. Also, like, you can pick out, you can, this is a good thing about the mystery meat salad is you can pick out what you don't like and say, or one of that specific thing and save it for later. But, you know, when you get the shritid chicken, you. chicken in the deli. It's just from the rotisserie chickens they couldn't sell. You know it is.

It says here optional on the creamy pasta with meat, but it's add spinach or peas for color and vegetables. And a bit of, yeah. Bit of edge. Number five on the list of the top six recipes for the mystery meat selection is mystery meat pizza. Pizza bases or peter bread, but

a bit of Tom sauce on top. Oh yeah. Put on your mixed meat selection, top of some cheese and grill that some bitch. Yum. Okay, actually this is pretty good. I'm not mad at any of these so far. It says optional, you can fry up some onions and capskins and put those on there for a little bit extra. Unions makes everything better.

Fried onions does make everything good. I like so far, Chat GPT is adding vegetables. We don't have... I wonder if it's because my history is often like, we need that, but also veg. Okay, right. Got to work the veg in, so it knows. Next, and number four on the list of the top six recipes generated by Chat GPT

for the mystery meat selection. Meat and Cheese muffins. No. Savory muffin. batter, so you like a cheese muffin. Yuck! Excuse me? Sorry, with a bag of chicken jiblets and salami crusts.

And then you chop up the meat mix fine. Yeah. And then you fold it into the muffin mix. How do you fold it in? So you've got moolly up the meat mix. Fold it in. So you make the batter and you put the meat in and you like, you don't like mix it in hard. You don't know how to fold.

Is this a reference to Shits Creek? Yeah, it is. Creek reference. He's making shit's creak reference. He's making shit's creak. You fold it. So you folded in. Chuck on some spring onions and some shredded cheese on top.

Bake till golden. Hello! Okay. Number three on the list of the top six recipes for the mystery meat selection. I feel a little bit safe. Hearty mystery meat soup. Get some stop. You can't put deli meat soup.

in a soup. Well, apparently you can. Yark. You absolutely can. Dice up some veg. You carry your celery potato and simmer it in a chicken or vegetable stock. And then stir in the mixed meat mix and keep it going. Right.

Sorry. Yeah. Add a can of tomatoes and some paprika for a smucky tomato soup twist is the optional. Number two on the list of the top six. That one, I don't know why that. I think it's because I couldn't imagine it boiling. Oh, now I've got a funny feeling in my tummy. Okay.

Number two in the list of the top six. recipes for the mystery meat selection. Cheesy meat and potato bake. This actually sounds pretty good. Parboil dice potatoes, dice meat mix, onion cheese sauce on top. Lay of the potatoes and the meat in a baking dish. Pour over the sauce top of some more cheese baked

to a golden and bubbling. Love that sounds good. Cheese fixes it all. Do you know anything with cheese? Yeah. Add broccoli or corn is the variation or a vegetable option there. And number one on the list, this has got mystery meat written all over it.

Number one in the list of the top six recipes for the mystery meat selection. Mystery meat fried rice. So you left over rice, you fry that up, diced onion, mixed veg, some eggs in there, fry the onion in the beet mix. Pineapple pieces. Yeah, but a pineapple, tin pineapple. Yeah, it did. And a little oil and fried the onions and the meat and then add the vegetables, rice, soy sauce and beaten eggs and stir until the eggs set.

And hello, salt from the meat means you can go light on the soy sauce. There's a tip. Okay, great. If you're worried about your sodium intake. Yeah. Well, you're going to have to buy all your different bags of meat now because this supermarket has withdrawn on the mystery meats from the deli after the outrage. I feel like I put all this

effort into a recipe cookbook and it's not done not done anything for me. That is today's stuff so. Play. ZM's Fletch, Vaughan and Haley. Well, over in the UK, it's dry. It's apparently the driest six months to July since

1976. Wow. Oh dear. When we're away, July, I was in London a couple of days and it was crazy seeing London with like dry brown grass? Grass? Because the UK's famously super wet. I know and they have like

a sodden nation. Yeah they have like three nice days in summer a year but it was weird being over there and like friends saying it's so crazy hot like you know you see the grass like when you're in the South Island or Nelson or something and it's really dry because it's the middle of you know it's March and stuff but yeah apparently

five areas are officially in drought six more experiencing prolonged dry weather And so the government's like, look, you've got to save water at home and they've released all of these tips. You know, your usual stuff like maybe you don't flush number ones as much. Turn off the tips. Shower together. Yeah, when you're brushing your teeth. And one of the points that they made, which everyone's talking about and what I wanted to discuss now, is the advice to delete old emails and pictures as data centers require vast amounts of water to cool their.

systems. Oh, that would have called. And so everybody's got all these photos on the cloud let you think about it. You just snap, snap, snap, snap, snap. You leave all these photos on your phone and you might have like tens or hundreds of thousands of photos. Yeah. And you just leave them there.

I would have never thought of the water and environmental impact because I pay for storage on Google, I pay for it on Apple. I didn't even think. I was just like, it's the cloud. It's the cloud. But clouds make rain. and we need to save the rain, I get it.

And apparently this is going to be like quite a big thing going forward, especially with like how much we're using AI because it all needs, like, to be water called. Yeah, like, how they use a dirty water? I don't know. How may use a dirty water? Like, I don't know what. Why can't it be wheeze called?

I don't know. We save all of our wheeze. I don't know. Imagine the smell. Wees goes to room temp and then we call it with weeds. But if you make one chat GPT request or question, how much does that use? I don't know.

Like, have they worked? out like what one search But it could be as little as like a fifth of a mill A miller later Everybody's doing it All adds up Yeah

Everybody doing it It's a different situation But apparently this is going to be A big crisis going forward Is like our reliance On AI and the data centres And stuff So yeah man apparently if you go through

And you delete like loads of old emails You don't need them on the cloud That it helps the environment Who knew? Who knew? Who thought? Every now and then I do like to look up an old email

and I'm grateful to have access to it. But do you need the 8,000 photos you took like last year? Like, do you even look at them now? Yes. Do you know, I'm just looking through my photos now to be like, what could I get rid of? And I just love all the memories. You know, you're looking at them.

I mean, there's four photos that are exactly the same. Yeah, exactly. There are apps that will delete the duplicates. Yeah. Were you using one how one? It was like a swipe one every day. You just go through your album? Yes, yes, yes.

I've seen this. Yeah, it's called swipe white. So every day it allows you, if you're not paying for the app, it allows you to do one month's worth and then also like the photos from that specific day. That would be a good way of doing it every day, right? Yeah, and you get to reel of the old memes. Yeah, so I think I'm back in 2022 at this point

because it's like you swipe left to get rid of it and write to keep it. So like Tinder, put photos. And then it will go into your albums and delete them. I just feel like there's also those some things that I like to have buried in there. Do you know what I mean? And I don't know if daily,

I want to be sort of having those things presented before my eyeballs. Yeah. Well, do you care about the planet or not? To a degree. Play ZM's Fletchbourne and Haley. Play ZM's Fletchbourne and Haley. Fletchporn and Haley. Silly little poe.

It is so silly, silly, silly, silly that a silly little poe, silly little poe, silly little poe, silly little poe, silly little poor. Silly little pole Silly little pole today is would you consider being in an open relationship? Definition, please. You just, you're in a relationship, but you, or Haley, you do it. Just the thought of being in a relationship

made fetch sick. So first of all, you're kind of with one, but then you only sleep with, if you're in an open relationship, you have your primary partner or partners I guess and then you are open if you're open then you can have sexual relationships with other people outside of that primary relationship

if like if you're a polyamorous thing that's different that's emotional and sexual so outside of your primary relationship so your husband your wife or whatever it's not emotional you can have sexual relationships with other people what happens if you catch feelings yeah this is a problem

listen to I listen to such a good podcast on ethical non-monogamous relationships recently. I think it was a Diary of CEO episode. And he was like, they're great, they're the way of the future. However, they have very low success rate. For this reason that we're human, and particularly women, when we have sexual relationships, we develop feelings, be they big or small. Yeah.

Well, we asked this question because there is a rise in ethical non-monogamy. And, yeah, there's a couple that were on a, there was a UK, a TV4 show, called Open House. And since that show, this couple have kind of, I guess, showed their life, blogged and YouTube their life and kind of got a following from it. How are they going? Yeah, they're going great.

Yeah. They've been practicing E.N.M. Ethical non-monogamy since 2022. Yeah. That's where they only harvest the wood from the forest. That's renewable. And they got into it. They got into it because their relationship had lost their spark.

Okay. Has it more the spark back? to their relationship? Is that something that everybody else says it also sparks it up? And made the bond stronger than ever. Yeah, a friend of mine who is married with children, very, very happy,

but they have very mixed-matched sexual drives. So he wants more and she doesn't want as much, but they don't want to break up, so he's allowed to go and source it elsewhere. How fascinating. Well, the question that we asked. No. Would you be open to this?

Would you consider being in an open relationship? No, basically. is what people said. 89% of people said no. 11% said yes. I wonder of that 11% how many people would be brave enough to show their partner

what they voted for in it. Laura said if you had asked me 10 years ago absolutely not. But with age, experience and wisdom, yes I would. One person shouldn't be responsible for meeting all your needs. Yeah, that's maturity.

That's maturity. That's maturity. Taylor said, I'm currently seeing a man in an open marriage due to lack of for him. Does that count?

Well, you're the other person. Also, like, how many times do they say it's open, but it's really not? And the wife doesn't know. Guys, we've had a little message in. On what? On what? Oh, go on. Treat me.

Big Sandy's on the text machine here. Big Sandy here. I have a partner in multiple sexual relationships. And he is an observer of those in a certain chair. Big Sandy hits it out of the park again. Big Sandy, I think Big Sandy, we need Big Sandy's Bible. To be totally honest, I would take life advice from Big Sandy. Yeah, me too.

When has Big Sandy ever messaged into the show and we've not all been back foot in agreement? On board, yeah. We're on the back foot, Big Sandy, but we can't find fault, Big Sandy. All right, sorry, Big Sandy. We've just got to leave you there and get back to the, so Taylor's seeing she's the other person that he's not allowed to catch feelings with, I guess. So, yeah, I guess, kind of. Sam said, why would you want twice the drama? These things sound nice in a book,

but not in real life. Yeah, yeah. Do you know, if you're considering this, if you're ever thinking about this with your partner, there's an amazing book called Mating and Captivity, Este Perel. You know that very famous. Yeah, she's so good.

I've watched a few of her podcasts, yeah. Yeah, mating in captivity, basically about how you can't expect your partner to be everything. And so this is why open relationships are quite a good idea. Okay, anonymous people. plays, if this is brought to attention, monkey covering eyes emoji. Okay.

Okay, so they obviously don't want their name attached to it. I've only ever been with my husband, and I'm so incredibly curious. My fantasies are wild, because it's just my thoughts leading the way. Oh, okay. But you don't, like, that's why you should communicate with your partner, because he could be totally into it as well. Yeah. Yeah, totally.

What's the worst it could happen if you bring it up? They get a bit offended, and you say, well, don't worry about it. Yeah. Can't tell you anything. That's what you say. In that tone, too, that always helps. I can't tell you anything! That's exactly how I would handle it as a professional.

That's my professional advice as a marriage counsellor. Just do that thing about, oh my God, I was joking. I'm joking. God, as if, take your clothes off. I suppose I'll have a look again. Marie said it's just too much admin for me. Oh, wow, okay. Emotional admin too.

There's a lot to deal with. I consider it with my ex, but now I realize it's because I didn't like him. it wasn't an open relationship thing. Lolls. Get out there, get it. Britt says, shit, best of both worlds. We aren't meant to be monogamous.

It's nice to have comfortable companionship with an established partner, but the lack of zing and a new... But the lack of zing of a new partner in a long-term relationship brings it down. Yeah, we are one of the only animals that do it, so... Us, penguins.

Penguins? Penguins, yeah. Penguins. And maybe a cumberbatch. Maybe otters or something like that. Otters are so cute I want a pet otter so bad Same so do I we should build a little pole

I'm swaying away from pet otto far more towards red panda I'm getting a lot of red panda content in my algorithm The red panda on the on the big ice block Yeah he was so hot He was so hot He was real hot and then he couldn't sound on the ice block My husband and I have an open relationship

The only rule is 100% honesty with each other straight away So far it's working with no jealousy floating in Hilda Because the thing is it's when people get emotional emotionally involved that the problems happen like they're jealousy and stuff yeah you could catch the feelings

you can sleep with other people but she has to be uglier than me that's a fair rule that could be a rule that could actually be a rule yeah but what happens if you're like a two man they are

he's catching a he's catching a midnight train to mingertown he's catching a midnight train to mingotown dating's hard enough joys of a relationship you can go back to wearing sweatpants and no makeup. You're doing a great job making yourself seem appealing, Rach.

WTF, would I keep forcing myself to make an effort in my appearance when I've already got a guy hooked? Oh, well, if you're happy. Yeah. Just keep tabs on that, I reckon, though. Just keep tabs on that. Jordy said if I wanted to disappoint two people at the same time, I'd take my parents out for dinner. Boom!

Boom, boom, boom, boom! Singer. Self-singer. Self-zinger. So we asked you today in silly little poll, would you consider being in an open relationship and an overwhelming 89% of you said no. Play ZM's Fletchhorn and Haley.

Early this morning, producer Carwin and I were discussing fingerprints. Why are we doing a crime together? This was a pretty wild convo. Because you walked in mid... I kind of arrived as this conversation was happening. Carwin's had her fingerprint access to her laptop revoked. Oh, yes.

Due to a security threat. Yeah, because you... They updated your computer and it used to have touch ID. Yeah, I used to just be able to put my little finger there fast as. Now I just typed the whole password. In case someone really wants to see the show plan so they cut off Carlin's fingers to access her laptop. I know, it'll be the other radio stations. Yeah.

Yeah, what are they talking about? Carwin's finger and then they'll access all of our plans. Yeah. No, this is what I was discussing because there are so many TV shows and movies where someone will cut off the guy's finger to get in their phone so they can access the next plot or the next bit of the story on the TV show or the movie.

Yes. You know? Yeah, we've got to get into their phone to find out where they, or who they were calling and who they were talking to. Well, and I was like, is that actually a thing?

Like, could we just cut off Carwin's finger and then always get into her laptop? And I googled it. Is this what's happening right now? Are we cutting off Carwin's finger? This just feels like too much for a bit. I'm sitting on my hands right now. Yeah.

I mean, how many times have you seen? seen this in a movie or a TV show like I watch a lot of police procedurals and so many times they pluck out the eye or just no just last week I watched Untamed which is one of the big shows on Netflix at the moment Sam Niels

Sam Niels in it, Eric Banner Set in Yosemite National Park Oh my God, so beautiful and there's a scene it's not a spoiler but there's a scene where the dead girl they need to get into her phone so they try to unlock it with her face but because she's dead it doesn't work

Because you're all droopy and sort of slack George. What have you hung the dead body upside down? So gravity kind of like pulled up a little back a little bit. The guy in the mortuary put something on her skin to make it look alive and it worked. Rosie. He probably used the benefit. I think he used the lip and cheek. But I've googled it.

So apparently once your finger tissue is dead, like once your body's dead, it loses all electrical charge and it will fail to activate a phone's fingerprint sensor. It's surely it's just reading the last. No, because it's got to have the, it's, you're right, especially without the, the old home button might have been a different stitch. No, but that was a fingerprint too? Yeah, yeah, but was it, like the touch screen now with the fingerprint? I don't know. But yeah, it says here, because there's no electrical charge and you're a live finger, it won't work.

So all these TV shows and movies have been wrong all this time. I mean, it's not the only thing these TV shows are getting completely wrong. It is. Everything else is purely. No, that it's quite a loophole. Like, it's quite, like, you'd think we'd all know this now. Do you think, like, forensic scientists and stuff watch these shows, and they're like, no, no.

That would ever happen. Yeah, they must hate it. We all know you can't just get a random, grainy, blurry photo and be like, enhance, enhance, enhance, enhance, enhance. And get it sorted either. But we happily will see it in a crime show and be like, yeah, good work. We've got a facial match. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

He's in the system. You're like, okay, where, what system? How did he get in the system? What's the history of the system? Yeah, I mean, I guess you do have to suspend some kind of belief. Yeah, you've actually really spoiled this for everyone now. Why'd you do this? Why'd you do this?

Why'd you do this? Why'd you do that? Why'd you take away? In a world, in a world, in a world, thin on the ground with joy. You're ruining our escapism. What do you do this? Yeah, tell her. Why'd you do that?

Why'd you ruin Christmas? This is all we had. Play ZM's Fletchhorn and Haley. Now, producer Shannon, yes. This was yesterday, wasn't it? Yeah, I was walking to our lovely show, Spawn, so I was taking a trip. Which one? To a chemist warehouse.

Because animates. Yeah, she could have been having a pet, but I know you like chewing on pigs' ears. So I don't know you want to be popping in for a little animates pigs' ears. And now that the mystery meets gone from the supermarket. You needed something to chew on. Yeah, no, I was walking on Queen Street, which anyone who's been to Auckland knows is just a trip down. It is the cultural hub of Auckland. It is really where you go to.

See you all. Yeah. I look forward to the Central Rail Loop reinvigorating the city centre. Yes. Me too. I do too. I do too.

Yeah. As I was walking, you know, people often try talk to you or get your attention and I just tune it out. That never happens to me. Well, I walk home every day through Central Auckland. Nobody tries to talk to me. But you have a very aggressive, closed-off energy.

Yeah. Whereas Shannon is a warm, open-hearted, warmer. Yeah. And so I hear this guy going, hey, hey, hey. And it was that tone of. you've dropped something or something. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, miss, ma'am. So for once I, like, engaged, I turn around and he goes,

you is fine. You is fine. You is fine. You is fine. What did this guy look like? What you'd imagine on Queen Street. Okay. You was, what is that?

Is it from Forest Gump? You was smart. You was clever. I don't think it was a Forrest Gump reference, Vaughn. I think you might have been quoting Forest Gant. No, I don't know if he was. You was smart. No, isn't that like.

You was important. No, it's from the help. You was kind. You were smart, you was important. Yes, that's why I'm talking to the kid. I don't know if it was, no, I don't know if it was. I just don't know if it was. I just don't know if you knew grammar super well.

Right, yeah. Yeah, but it... Who's grandma? Did I say it weird? No, grammar. Oh, grammar. Yeah. I didn't really know my grandma very well either.

I just lost my grandma. I don't want to talk a bit. Yeah, it just, something about it really tickled me because I was telling you out this morning. Normally when I get cackled, the number one thing I hear is give us a smile. Come on, love, give us a smile. What is to give us a smile? Because they want women to look pretty and presentable.

And if you're not putting on a smile for them, they're like, oh, Kimmer, what's you doing with you? And I think there's like a bit of a feeling of like, you should be stoked I'm cat calling you. Give us a smile, could you say, give me a reason? Like, have you seen, have you caught the news lately? This world's falling apart at the seams, my dude. I don't know if it's just because, you know, the people I'm surrounded by and obviously being feminist, that this, I just don't hear of this happening, like, or see it ever happening. No, your mates aren't catcalling anymore or not.

No one I hang out with would ever catcall someone. No. And I just like, I was like, oh, this doesn't happen anymore, but it does. No, it's all the time. Yeah. Yeah, it's still happening. And like, normally you just brush it off, but I will say, it's the first time I've ever been catcalled that made me smile.

What did you say? Well, just you as fan. It just made me love so much. I was just like, thanks, mate. What did he do? What was he doing? Sitting asking for me. Oh, okay.

Oh, I was like, was he fine? Because that's a different thing, you know. If the guy catcalling you's hot, is that different, is it? Well, no one cat calls me anymore. And look, listen, I'm not pro-cat calling, but it is a moment where you notice it stops. But definitely when I was younger and more Shannon-esque with radiance. Would you like me?

We're on Zoom now because you're in the Wellington studio. I'm in Auckland. Would you like me to cat-call you over Zoom? Has anyone ever been cat-called over Zoom? I'm going to walk past the camera, and if you wouldn't mind, it's been a while. Okay, ready? I'm just down the street.

yeah no just sorry that no was that not how you don't okay hold on walking past walking past walking past can you not think of anything do you want me to do do do no thanks sorry I can hear that do you know those sort of essence of cat calling it's sort of like hey good looking or oh show us a bit of one no no okay okay okay okay keep walking Okay, you know, you totally I'm so sorry, I just, I don't, it's not in me, it's not in me. No, it's not, it's not, just a nice guy. Play ZM's Fletchbourne and Haley.

Play ZM's Fletchbourne and Haley. We're not about to get political on it, but show favorite Chloe Swarbrick refusing to back down in Parliament and she's been given a one week suspension. She's been kicked out of school for making us. yeah and like rightly so yeah and having to apologize over like i've heard way worse things in parliament i know they were calling another example of it was when like john key said someone to like not grow a spine but a similar you know sort of thing and then it was completely ignored yeah because it is a left-wing young woman she has been absolutely who haley's got a crush on

a hard crush on oh that's by the bye but anyway so she's refused to apologize and has to be, well, it's been suspended for a week. Yeah. But we want to talk about when you were made to apologize. Like, maybe your parents dragged you to somebody's house because you, I don't know, tagged their fence or... Or you were made to apologize as an adult. Oh, my God, like at work, like, HR's like, look, we can make this go away,

but you've got to apologize. Oh, yeah, outside of a relationship, I don't know when was the last time I had to apologize. Oh, sometimes I apologize to you when I realized that my period was just arriving and that's why I was being unreasonable. But I remember as a kid, me and my friends were prank calling. We were prank calling Jack Wiley's house. Okay.

And we got caught. His parents told our parents, and then our parents, as punishment, called the local policeman, Scotty. And then made a whole thing out of it and made the policeman come over. Like we were in big trouble. And the policeman took us to the house

that we were prank calling and made us apologize at the door. Like in the police car? Yeah. Yeah. I remember being terrified I guess I go to prison This is where I died

Sick and a ride in a police car though Like if you're not actually You're not in prison No but I thought I was in trouble trouble And then did that sort you out? I never prank called again Until I used to prank call I'll say it

The Edge back in the day Good Hey wait a minute That was probably when we were there Oh no that's not good You're son of a bitch Got ya So this is what we want to know

Whether it was when you were a kid Or as an adult When did you have to apologise and say sorry, 0,800 dials at em, give us a call now. You can text her as well, 9-696.

Right now, though, we want to know when you've had to apologise either as a kid or as an adult. Yeah. Chloe Swarbrick's been asked to apologize

for her telling the government to grow a spine. Yeah. And recognises the situation in Gaza. Yeah. The state of Palestine.

Yeah. And she has refused. So she's been what? Been for a week. Have you ever? She said her, and they confiscated her phone, and she's not allowed to go on Instagram. Oh, okay. Bees silly.

Oh, yeah, and she's been sent to her own. No, Instagram for a week. What is she like, yeah, 14? Yeah, yeah. She's not allowed Snapchat either. She's grounded? Yeah, she's grounded. You ever watch, like, Parliament TV when you're flicking through the channels?

It's insane. It's so immature. It's insane. It's wild. It's an embarrassing zoo. Yeah. But it's like that around the world. Yeah.

Well, as an adult or as a kid, when were you made to apologize? Steph joins us. Steph, when did you have to apologize? Oh, this is so embarrassing. When I was maybe like old enough to know better, like probably eight or nine years old, my sister and I were playing in the garden and I really needed to pee

and I didn't want to stop playing. So I popped a squat in the garden. Yeah. And mom called it. We do what we do. And she sent me inside until I wrote an apology letter to come back outside and play. Who did you have to apologize to?

Her and dad. And the garden. What happened? Was there any citrus around? around. I'd actually welcome you as my child if you were outside and needed to urinate to pop a squat over the lemon tree. No, it was just kind of the stripped out and down the side of the driveway. Yes, I had to, I will say, Vaughn did make me apologize when I peed in his bush at his house as well. You're an adult. You're an adult. You should know better.

Oh, yeah, that was the problem. That was disgusting. Thank you, Steph. Some messages in when we made to apologize. Okay, we try to get this person on the line. I'm going to rip this one off because this rules. I was 14 years old in camping with my mum and her partner and my best mate I had to go and apologise to mum's new partner

for laughing at him with my friend we both laughed at him but I had to apologise why were we laughing at him he walked out of the tent and he got a spontaneous erection oh mortimer

how you're not going to laugh how you're not going to laugh at an instant stiffy an unexpected insistence you're going to laugh I'd laugh now I'm 43

sorry for it yeah he should have said sorry for it pitching a tent while pitching a tent. Yeah. It's ridiculous. I won't stole a lip balm when I was 12.

I felt so sick and so bad. I buried it in the backyard. A whole group of girls at intermediate stole lip balm and the school found out we had to go down to the chemist and say sorry. I've never stolen again. Wow. Probably they buried their treasure.

Yeah. What if it's still there? Oh. The plastic will be. The lip balm might have gone. Yeah. Oh, there's so many. Working at a fast food outlet,

I was told by my manager to apologize to the egg rings that we used to cook the eggs because they threw the rings onto the grill. God, that's so good. Apologise to the egg rings? You're a bloody egg ring? I'm not apologising. You're not to an inanimate object. Yeah, I'm not doing it.

Keep your text coming in, 9-6-9-6-0-800-Darles at M. When were you made to apologise? Chloe Swilberg, you've got to admire someone sticking to their guns. So far, we'll not apologize and probably just get a week off. Yeah, nice. Nice. I'm going to refuse to apologise to stuff if it means I get a week off. I'll take a week.

I'll take a week off. And you were made to apologise here at work once upstairs. Remember that? Because you were naughty. Yeah, you were naughty. You were all nodding. I can't remember you were. Oh, yeah.

That was a couple. That was naughty. I actually, I thought of three other times I've been told to apologise before I know that one you're talking about there. Yeah, no, there's been a few times. He runs his mouth, doesn't else? He runs his mouth. Well, next time, I'm not apologising, and I'm taking a week.

My brother told the neighbour's kid that it was her birthday, but it wasn't. That kid's mother went and bought her a birthday present. Mum made her take the present back to the mother, and apologised. Mum was born away. Wow, that is pretty funny. My brother and I had a party when we were young, dad, came home from holiday and made us apologize to every single neighbor in person. I'll never forget the embarrassment, and it's been 14 years.

Oh, wow. My brother and I are playing with rocks in the backyard when it was about seven or eight. Somehow a rock ended up smashing the neighbors outside light. was one old lady we were all terrified of and mum made us go next door admit that we were the ones that smashed her lights

and apologise I was getting sweaty just retelling this story I think I cried the whole time I had to do that too through a rock through a window oh god I stole a pencil

that was made to look like a cigarette from a shop in Havelock North when I was nine and man my dad smacked my bum so hard go back to the shop and say I'm sorry

yeah yeah also if you just take the last part of that and change the sentence too daddy smacked me so hard that's kind of a hot you grow into these things you grow into these things

you do don't you do don't you yeah yeah like when you're a little kid having your ass smacked and having a nap sounds like punishment but as an adult two of the greatest things in life two of my simplest flexion a nap and an ass smack some other text messages

mechanic here I got made to apologize to a customer after I called him an eff an idiot to his face his face my defense in my defense he was an eff an idiot Well, that's fine then. Not apology necessary.

When I was 15, I had a major crush on a guy who was a couple of years older than me. I wrote him a very explicit love letter. He was not into me. He showed his mum. She showed him at my house showed my parents the letter and I was made to apologize. No. Tell me, that sucks. Oh, no.

That's embarrassing. Can we see the letter? How bad was the letter? That person's 273. Can you let us know what the letter said? What the letter said. How bad? It must have been somewhat explicit.

It must have been. God, oh my God. It's my worst night. I'd be having it read back to you and your parents just looking at you. Oh, my God. I was made to apologize to my mum last week because I didn't come home because I was busy being ravaged by my new friend. I'm in my mid-thirties.

They're in their mid-thirties. They were being ravaged. Wow. I bet they had a nap and a smack on the bum. My mom made me a ride an apology letter to her and dad when she caught me at about eight years. old, doing a poo and a pooh and a pooh.

It's like a person before. Yeah. Who had to apologize to doing it. Now a poo outside. A poo and a boche. Way outside. Okay. Well, it just could be like,

you're playing. You're having fun. You don't want to go inside and have to take a break and do a poo. Nothing interrupts your fun like needing to poo. Yeah. Milk tokens. I had to take milk tokens to a door of a house and apologize to them in person promise I would stop stealing their milk tokens.

Oh, okay. Yeah. I was forced to apologize to my friend Hannah Combs. I stole earrings from Decker when we were 11 years old, it was mostly Hannah's idea. Hannah sounds like a bad egg. Yeah. And I don't, oh, where's it gone? And I don't think we got in any other trouble other than having to apologize to Decker.

Ticka, and now they went out of business, so I hope you happy. Yeah, I hope you happy. You did that single-handed, Lou. My ex-stepmother, so ex-stepmother, found my diary which literally was just full of me calling her a bitch. Dad made me apologize to her and make her breakfast and bed. Man, she was a bitch though, and dad eventually woke up to the fact that she was a bitch, yeah. She's a bitch, I was right, Dad.

Yeah. Actually, Dad should have to apologize to her. Yeah, actually, I'd be after a dad apology on that one. My 45-year-old farm worker contacted my mother and told her I was being mean to him and mum made me apologize at the age of 34 to a 45-year-old. Okay, that's wild. Yeah. Work made me apologize to someone I'd only just met in that meeting

because she'd overheard me, made a comment she didn't like. I had to apologize in an HR meeting for making a joke about a co-worker's fat wife. I'm sorry, I shouldn't have laughed at that. And now I'm going to actually do an apology. Yeah, yeah. I'm sorry that I laughed at Fat Wife. Okay. You can only take so much at work, but someone wound me up.

Sorry, I can take so much at work, but someone wound me up to the point where I yelled, you effing idiot, and I was made to apologize to them. I said, I'm sorry that you said and did so many stupid things that I had to yell at you and call you an effing idiot. That sounds like a way I would apologize. That's a terrible apology. Play ZM's Fletchhorn and Haley. Coming out today, later this morning, is a special podcast that we're putting out.

We spoke to an author, a New York Times bestseller. He's had many books in the New York Times bestseller list. You may have seen him He's been on the Diary of a CEO podcast Quite a few times Yeah, that's where I was introduced to him I think you sent it to me, Fletch Because you know, because we've been talking a bit about Ozenpik

Not us personally, you know But just sort of as a global movement And he did a whole episode basically With Diary of the CEO on Ozenpick Yeah, well his latest book is called Magic Pill That came out kind of mid-last year Midway through last year And he actually went on it

for an entire year and interviewed like 250 people around the world yeah about the good and bad of OZempa and it's a fascinating read I know it's like I'm trying to convey to the listeners that this chat how amazing this chat was it's 30 minutes right that we're going to be dropping

this afternoon talking to him and it was so like man it was interesting because he's written so many books about so many different things like I think one of his earlier books was about anxiety and that and you know depression. Yeah, I want to read that one. Yeah, Lost Connections is another one of his books. And Stolen Focus, that's another one of his big ones that he interviewed on a lot of podcasts about.

Stolen Focus, it's all about why you can't pay attention. We've got a massive crisis of focus and attention. I don't think anyone needs any statistics to back that up. We are all struggling to focus and pay attention. And I spent three years going all over the world and being the leading experts on attention. I learned there's scientific evidence for nine factors that can make your attention better or can make your attention better. them worse. Loads of those factors have been getting worse. Your attention did not collapse. Your attention has been stolen from you by some really big and powerful forces. But once we understand what those forces are, we can start to get our brains back. We've been talking for a while.

Are we okay if we just have a quick Instagram break? I just want to do a bit of scrolling and then we'll come back. Do you know what? After the book came out, someone came up to me in the street and said, I saw you being interviewed. I'm really interested in this subject, but I don't have enough attention to read a book. Could you just tell me what it says? Jesus, I mean, that sums that out right. I think when I was listening to this book, it took me, I think there was a break halfway through about a month or so where I'd lost attention and then I had to come back

to finishing stolen focus. But it was, it was fascinating. And I know one of the things you talk about in there is, like, how important sleep is, Haley. I've been telling Haley, how important sleepers. I did three last night. I think Vaughn did three last night, two the night before. I mean, we work funny hours, but I know, I know.

I know. Oh, I felt like he was a just. He's dead. He's worried. It's totally fascinating. So this, I interview one of the leading sleep experts in the world, this amazing man named Dr. Charles Seizer at Harvard Medical School. I never forget what he told me.

So the whole time you're awake, your brain is building up something called metabolic waste, which you also called brain cell poop, which helped me to understand it. When you go to sleep, often in the seventh or eighth hour, a watery fluid washes through your brain and carries this brain cell poop out of your brain down into your kidneys, eventually out of your body. If you don't get eight hours to sleep a night, you don't have a feeling when you wake up and you feel clogged up, that is not a necessary. your brain is literally clogged up, right?

It's why you process everything more slowly. So you've really, it's so important. I know it's harder go through, obviously, install and focus how you can do that. But prioritising sleep, if you stay awake for 19 hours, which doesn't sound like much to me, your attention deteriorates as much as if you got legally drunk.

And so many of us are sleep deprived. In Britain, the average kid, the average child, sleeps 85 minutes less per night than they did in 1945. You also talk about in the book, I guess, how the tech companies have kind of, you know, rigged it against us. Yeah, every time you open TikTok, Facebook, Instagram, those companies make money out of you in two ways. First way is really obvious. You see advertising. We all know how that works.

Second way is much more important. Everything you ever say or do on these apps is scanned and sorted by their artificial intelligence algorithms to figure out who you are and what makes you tick. What makes you angry? What makes you angry? What makes you sad? and they're learning and harvesting that information to figure out what to show you next to keep you scrolling.

Because every time you open, yeah, every time you open the app and begin to scroll, they begin to make money. Every time you close it, that revenue stream disappears. So I interviewed people who'd designed this machinery, right? And the thing they said to me, the things that is,

we built a machine designed to hack and invade your attention, and we are unbelievably good at it. And the thing that most struck me about them is how sick with guilt and shame they feel about what they've done. And one of them, an amazing guy called James Williams, said to me, and he was speaking at a tech conference one day, where the audience were literally the people who designed the stuff your kids are using today, right? And he said to the audience,

if there's anyone here who wants to live in the world that we're creating, please put up your hand and no one put up their hand. So that is Johann Hari. and he's talking mostly there about his book Stolen Focus but we chat to him about his book Magic Pill and about OZemPEC being on OZNPic Because he himself has been on OZMPIC right So he's written it from that point of view

But yeah, so fascinating And we had half an hour with him It's all going to be on a podcast special That we're putting out later this morning So definitely check it out Because he's so fascinating to listen to And he's really good at like speaking in layman's terms For you to understand

the complexities of things like the brain. I was like, I absolutely loved it. And he was a good laugh. I felt like we could have had a wine. We could have had a wine. Could have had a wine with him. But then that's also not good for your focus. But he knows that that's terrible for the brain.

Isn't it? Isn't it? Isn't it? Play ZM's Fletch, Worn and Haley. Play ZM's Fleshworn and Haley. I munt my hands a fair bit. I'm making anything I might have some sort of coordination issue. Right.

Or I'm just unlucky with my hands or I put my hands in harm's way. I mean, yeah, because you're handy. Like a lot of people go home and just sit and watch TV. You go home and do man jobs. You do man jobs. Man jobs. Well, you remember that time that my pig was stuck on the fence

with his tusk and I had to like pull it, but then my fingers got caught between the wire and the pig tusk. And that was a messy little squash. And then at the weekend I was trying to get the most out of my razor that I shaved my head with and it was a little clogged and I tried to open it and slipped and sliced the end of my thumb off. Stop it.

And then I was playing with my pocket knife and it was a little bit sharper than I thought and I took a chunk out of that. That's still there. That's a good toy to play with, isn't it? I love my... I have beautiful supple soft hands. You do have supple soft hands.

Because I don't do silly things with my hands. As genuine friends walk down the street, people often don't know this, but the three of us do hold hands. And I'm always in the middle, and I can feel which one's fletch and which one's born. Yes.

You do have big dad man Thank you It's all I ever wanted I remember shaking my granddad's hands And even the last time I shook my granddad's hands I always remember thinking There's a massive hands I'm an adult now and you have big huge

Farming man hands So it's my dream So thank you you've made a dream come true But last night we were doing homemade pizzas Right Yeah never cheaper No it is it is if you don't overload it If you use stuff you were really like

Hey we already had ham and cheese and a tin of pineapple in the thing. Indy used the can of spaghetti. My daughter is Bill English. Yeah, that's right. Remember that? When he was trying to be Prime Minister and everyone's like, oh, we're not voting for you now on. No, no, he went for his walk runs and it was like,

Sh, stop that. Indy would have voted for him because she loves spaghetti on pizza. She said, look, the sauce is already in their dad. It's the carbs on carbs that I can't quite. Get on board with his 43-year-old man with his zero metabolism. But sure, you're youthful. Enjoy it while you can.

So I said the trick is lots of grated cheese on top I said but be careful with that greater Because the cheese was getting down to like a nubby bit Oh yeah Oh you're gonna get your fingers quite close Yeah and so I was like And they were like oh yeah and they were getting it I was like yeah I'll do it and I'll do it quicker

And straight after I said be careful I went great And just took the biggest chunk Out of my finger And again it started bleeding And they were there when I chopped the end off my thumb And the blood was everywhere And they're like What is up with you and your hands

And the blood everywhere? You're traumatising them. Didn't get on the pizza. But that's another hand injury. So if you see them in, I'm covered in like plasters of the hand. That's why. That'll be white. And that one's one of those ones where, you know, when you have...

Or you can see white. It goes all white. Don't take the plaster off just to show us. You can have a lot. No, we don't want to see it. No, it's white and wrinkly. It needs to dry out. It's awful when you've got a handful of plasters, eh?

And you've got to wash your hands after your whee's and poos and stuff. And they're like, oh, now they're soggy. That one needs to breathe, actually. I might not put. a plaster back on that but it's one of those ones that um and it's the same with this guy still bleeds at night so i chuck a plaster around at nightly bleed yeah i do a nightly bleed okay maybe you need to buy grated cheese and just avoid the greater for a while yeah get them yeah the pre-graded cheese is trash yeah that's why it's coated in cornflour so it doesn't stick together yeah but flitch

don't you rinse yours who rinses the pre-grated cheese that i don't rinse my cheese no i know Do you see someone is rinsing their cheese? I can't remember who it is, but they rinse off that kind of flour coating that they put on so that it doesn't all stick to moolly together in the bag. Who's rinsing their cheese? Name and shame right now I want a list. If everyone you've ever talked to grated cheese and who rinsing it, just grate your own.

And they eat it from the bag. These are not chickpeas and you're about to make hummus. They don't need to be rinsed. No, that's mad behavior. Is that a potato pre-boil that needs a rinse and a scrub? Or maybe just buy a new block when you get to the, last inch and then just eat and just eat the slab of cheese

nibble the slab like a little mouth I'm worried about you okay yeah I'm worried too play ZDM's Flesh for one and Haley Fact of the day Day day day day Yeah

I do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do Well it's chocolate week here at fact of the day and we're down to facts of Hello chocolate lovers. He's very good at his Nigella, isn't he? Fletch is actually the best of it. Hello chocolate loves. In fact, credit with credits, Jew. We've got some Miter 10 content coming out soon

where you'll see Fletch absolutely delve into some of his finest character work. He was in a scene with a toy for Cardi New Zealand Drama School graduate and he outshone her and that her was me and I knew it. I felt it. Yeah. Credible acting from him recently. So credit with credits Jew, hello chocolate lovers. Hello chocolate lovers.

Today we're discussing the Dutch. Okay. Discatching. It's not appropriate to say that we're discussing. We're discussing to Dutch. And the Hagenslag. Would you call me? How I don't know if you can say that.

Oh my God. You can't call Hagenslag. Hagenslag. I have a big word of Hagenslag for many years. Huggardslslag. Huggleslag. It's one of the Netherlands's most charming culinary traditions. Okay.

It's chocolate sprinkles eaten on bread. Oh my God. Yes. know this of the Dutch. The Hargan... Fairy bread. We use... No, because we use hundreds and thousands.

Or multi-cut, like, this is chocolate sprinkles. Right, no colours. Literally translates to hail storm in Dutch, referring to the way that the chocolate hail. Because we call it chocolate hail, right? Yes. Are we the only ones that call it chocolate hail? And it's weird that we call it chocolate hail.

Unless we get it from the Dutch. How cold, though, during a weather event, you got to go outside and say, oh my gosh, you start harsh. Slug. Harklet schluck. Bill grabs the umbrella. There's a harkensslug.

So you can have dark milk or white chocolate sprinkles on your hark and slug. And there are also, it's a popular breakfast food. Yeah, dude. Yeah, dude. What a way to start the day? I know, perfect for it. If you are going to eat an star anus, star anise. Star anise.

If you're going to eat, um. Anise flavoured sprinkles. Grow up, born. That is not haggleslag, although it is, you know, recognised as a member of the extended haggleslag family. Right. How you do it? Fresh white bread.

We all know how to make furrow bread, but I found a step by step on how to make huggleslachlars. Spread a layer. Do you guys, sorry, just interrupt and go back to traditional New Zealand for your bread. Do you guys add honey or just go margarine? Oh, it's my. Do you use honey in place of margarine? No, no, no. Sometimes we'd have margarine honey sprinkles.

But if we were pover, you'd just go margarine sprinkles. Yeah. Also, the honey's an additional drizzle. Yeah. Just feels like the scenario doesn't need any more sweetness. Doesn't need any honey, yeah. I like honey under my sugar sprinkles. So you spread a layer of butter or margarine to make the sprinkle stick to the bread.

Sprinkle on a generous, very generous amount of hugger slag. Yep. And eat it like a sandwich or if you're daring, an open-faced slice. So you could do a folded sandwich. Yeah, nice. Or open-face. It dates back to the early 20th century. the Dutch company called Vens began selling chocolate hail in 1936,

although there had been star anise-flavored ones before. It's marketing as a treat for children. Star-en-east, you'd have that in a mold wine. It's an aniseed-eat-y taste, right? Yeah, okay. So, legally in the Netherlands, only products with at least 32% cocoa can be sold as chocolate agen-slag. Lower cocoa content is called Coco-Fantasy.

We have those every night, don't we as a trio? Cockaw fantasy as well. We do. We do. What did your dream of last night? Did you enjoy a cocoa fantasy? Well, no, because my dream was over 30% cocoa, so I had a dream of a chocolate haggenslark.

In the Netherlands, approximately 750,000 haggleslark slices of bread are eaten each day. Holy. Three quarters of a million. That's not healthy. Slag eat in a day. That means over a year 14 million kilograms of chocolate hail is consumed

in the Netherlands alone. That's wild. So that would be one hugglschlag sandwich for every 22 people per day. So today's fact of the day for chocolate week is the Dutch love chocolate sprinkles

on bread and you can call it the hagglschlard. Fact of the day, day, day, day, day, day. I do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do do-do do-do do-do do-do do do do-do do. Play Z-M's Fletchhorn and Haley. The University of Canterbury did a big, um, did a big research. Wait, our one?

Yeah. Wow. Wow. Okay. Normally we're like the University of Blambo, blah, blah, blah. Birmingham. Yeah. University of... Birmingham. him, no, our very own university

of Canterbury, Canterab, looked into the psychology behind freebies and how we absolutely froth them. Even looking into things like collecting stickers for freebies, I'm talking your smeg knives, I'm talking your kitchen aid, you know.

My new world's out of the big one. Oh, are they? My new world's out of the big one, everybody wanted the big one. I got sent the big one and it arrived broken in the mail. Oh, Haley. I'm sorry to hear that. That's calmer for you being a. I thought it was a cast iron.

No, it's ceramic. Oh, sorry to hear that. Thank you very much. That's quite funny. Anyway, it's a really interesting study around like the feelings associated. Like the kind of dopamine hit that we get when we get something free. Even if it is something like a little utensil tray or just a little like, oh, you know, you bought a suitcase and with that, you get a free keychain. And you're like, oh, and you like it, even though you wouldn't have gone out looking for a keychain.

Yeah. Or you're just at the supermarket and the free sample ladies there and you're like, oh my God, yes. Yeah. And it does come back to this kind of compulsive behavior of like hunting. We're always hunting for things. Like we're treasure hunters as animals. We're always looking for things.

And it gives us these little like tickly moments. Anyway, great study. If you want to look at it, it's on RZ. That's so interesting. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So it's like... It comes from the hunter-gatherer thing.

Like you've got to take it because you don't know when you could get the opportunity again. And then that thing And I have this feeling sometimes I'm like oh I might use that actually Like I wasn't you know like Buying that wasn't on my list But now that I could get that for free actually Oh yeah I really like that

We get motivated to like Keep looking for these little freebies These little perks Anyway talking about free things I was like I want to know from our listeners this morning What is the best free thing You've gotten

You know maybe it was just a little like Free with purchase And then that thing became something that you held on to for like 15 years and use every day. No, you're not talking about winning competitions. No, no, no, no, no. No, lot of, feels far from.

You actually paid. But if you enter, we're not talking about entering competitions, like on the radio. No, not winning. Like when you just got a free thing, so you've got a little, like, additional thing. Or like you say, you've got a little sample from somewhere, and you're like, oh, my God, that is nice. Or you're a little find and you're like, oh, my God, that's free. Absolutely. I'm taking that.

Do you know, because my mother and father, when they were selling up their house, wanted to get rid of a lot of their things. And so my mum was selling stuff on Trade Me, and then people would come over to pick it up and be like, oh my God, you've got great style. And mum was like, I'll chuck that in for free. I'll chuck that in for free.

Imagine that. Going through Patsy Sproul's house and she's chucking in a nice... Well, because they had to move out, they needed to get rid of all the crap. Get rid of the crap. Maybe their crap has now become someone's treasure, and you're like, I want this for free.

Or like, we use... Like, I love when you're going past a house that's doing a garage sale or a clean-out. They put a big free sign on the side. And then you drive past and you're like, oh, my God. Organic rubbish collection used to be such a fun way going shopping. Yes. Yes.

Okay, 0800 dials at M. We want you to give us a call now. You text through as well, 9-6-96. What is the best free thing you've ever gotten? We're talking about the best free thing you ever got or found because just an awesome study out of the University of Canterbury about why free stuff just makes us as humans, like, so excited. It makes us just want to get more.

We get excited, don't we? Yeah. Yeah, well, we'll have a free bee. Some messages, and we're not talking about winning. No, no, not winning a comp. No. But we are taking someone made a mistake and you ended up getting it for free. Oh, yeah, like that.

We're taking those. Love that. I bought a mint handbag from a garage sale. I got home 20 bucks in the inside pocket. Oh, yes. Oh, that's free. Free 20 bucks. Free.

I got a Toyota Kaldina for free How? I was having my third child and I needed a bigger car and my pastor gave me his What like Alfredo? No no no no no Pastor

Diamond Passer at the factory She loved that joke by the way She really did Georgia you're giving that one too much Like Ravioli Yeah yeah you don't need a follow up one No I thought well you nailed it with the first one Anonymous

Anonymous Good morning What was the best free thing you ever got Um, so, first-time caller, long-time listener. It's long-time listener, first-time caller. You've got that in the wrong order. Try a game. Oh, no. Oh, no!

Vaughn is going to need it again before he dings the bell, because he's a stickler for the rules. I, I anonymous don't care as much. No. Okay. Long-time caller. No. No. No.

Well, you made it even worse, actually. Long-time caller. Long-time listener. First-time caller. First-time caller. Long time listener, first-time caller Yeah Welcome, welcome

She is welcome Hi-to-bye Now what did you get for free The best thing The best thing I got for free Was two things actually It was a king-sized bed And a chest freezer

How did you get those for free? So Oh, she's got a yarn I went into a store with a lovely long-term finance card. It went through, apparently, got home, there was no, there was nothing on the car to pay. Rung the store, they said, don't, they're all done, we're delivering your stuff. I said, okay, rang the long-term finance, they said, nope, there's no payment on there. They said, so we decently put something on there.

And she said, no, no, you didn't. I think you should just close your account. She said that. Long-term finance is like, I mean, you tried. I did really tried. Yeah, and has it been a while? Like, you've definitely got away with it? Yeah, it's definitely been a few years now.

Oh, my, amazing. Do you sleep in the bed, though, riddled with guilt? No. No, she doesn't get a shit out. I love that. I love that. What a great story. Thank you, Anonymous.

Some messages. I got a six-year-old jet ski for free. For free jet ski. People buy these things I would never buy a jet ski What a stupid thing to purchase But if I got given one You're damn right

That thing would be in the driveway And people would be like Sick jet ski I'd be like You ain't seen nothing yet Get me my pit vipers Because I'll wear pit vipers Will them and they say

Don't you wear prescription lenses Shouldn't you be able to see while you're in your jet ski And I said I'll let the vibes guide me Shut up Yeah Guided by the vibes Yes

Jetsky in in the night I've crashed into a boat I am drowning now severely concussed why did I do it I literally just picked up from the side of the road a gorilla-shaped lamp it's sitting next to me in the passenger seat

it's hideous but I had to have it 1100 can we please have a photo you won't be able to text that in you'll have to email it or send it to our socials F-E-H-ZM I want to say it that sounds like Haley might buy that something Haley would buy like $500

I'll buy off you for a thousand dollars. I'm a fool. Somebody said I also got a king-sized bed, a gas lift, king-sized bed. A gas lift? Yeah. Oh, wow. Sit you up so you can get out of bed for free.

They just effed up the payment over the phone. It never went through. The bed got delivered the next day. No one's ever followed it up. I called them and I said how I got the bed, but I haven't received them. They're like, oh, well, it'll get taken care of. That's a law, though, find as keepers.

Yeah. I think in the second part of the law, loses they have to be weepers. Weepers, yeah. Keep your text coming in, 9-696-0-800-0-800-in the best thing that you got for free. Some of these are unbelievable. I don't even want to spend money on anything ever again. Shout out to the person that got a free 65-inch television because the purpose in delivering it came to drop it off,

got their dress wrong and see, can I just leave it here? Yeah. And I'll come back later and get it. And then they never came back later and got it. And then they rung the company that, and they just had no record of this TV. So it was like an insurance. And they just wrote it up to insurance? left it in the box for a couple of weeks.

Oh my God, the guerrilla lamp pictures just come in and it's gorgeous. If you're just listening before, someone just picked up a free gorilla lamp officer. Haley is... You'd be strong for that. Oh my God. Haley, you should get this. This would look great. Where is it? It's in the...

Facebook chat. Facebook group chat. Oh my God. You're loading. Loading. Who was throwing it away? Who dared throw out that gorgeous piece of art? Oh, my God. And also, to the person that message that in,

please put the seat belt on that. Oh, yeah, that's right, actually. That's Vintage as well. Look at the wiring. Okay. Haley, what's your offer? I think $5,000. Two million.

That looks like it's on an American plug. I'll get it rewired. Yeah, get that rewired. Yeah, you don't want that burning down your house. It's a nice soft bulb. Ask this person, I'll read out my address on here and just get them to drop it off. Okay. I don't reckon read your address on here.

Okay. Let's get a Ruby. Ruby, what was the coolest thing you got for free? Morning a team. Thank you, Paul. Fantastic, there we go. Hello, we to have you. Welcome to the family.

When I got engaged, my parents bought me a lechusay-cassian casserole dish. Oh, gosh. I know. When it got delivered, there were two in the box. Oh, shut up. Amazing. Bonus, lacrosse. Yeah, so $2,900 le crusade cast iron casseroid dishes.

Oh, my God. And the best part, two different colors. Oh, gorgeous. Perfect, perfect. Oh, my God. Do you know, one of my life regrets Ruby is not purchasing the Star Wars ones when they did a, they did a co-lab with Star Wars. You could get an R2-D2 casserole dish.

Yeah. He wanted that one. I said it doesn't exist anymore. So then he went straight to the poo bear collection that they had out. And I said, oh, God. Is anyone else super horny right now? Yeah. No, I'm so horny.

It's undeniable. I've dried up. Yeah, the mention of Star Wars doing a La Crucette co-lab, oh, instantly so aroused. Oh, I'm sorry you don't want to eat your casserole out of R2D, like the rest of us! Ruby, thank you, and enjoy that extra free La Crucette. Do you want to see a picture of the Gorilla Lamp, Ruby?

I think we just put it up on socials. Yeah, we'll check it on our socials. It looks really good. F-E-H-ZM's going to have the exclusive photo of the Gorilla Lamp. Actually, that's going to look nice in our little collection with Lady Die, you know. Yeah. Some more message is in. The best thing you've got for free.

I got an outdoor furniture set for free. I chose click and collect and pick it up. For a couple of weeks, they kept calling me to remind me to collect it. Eventually tell me they cancelled the order if I didn't respond. And then they cancelled the order, so I got a refund and the furniture because I'd already picked it up. Okay. I mean, you tried. You tried.

You tried. I never got charged for the extraction of four wisdom teeth. So I guess you could say I got that for free. That's good. Where did you go? Haley needs hers out, so. I've got really, mine's sore. Tell me.

I got a free bed, bed frame and bedside table. Same thing. Confirmed sale and store was told to pay on delivery. Delivery man said to call the store, called the store. They said we can't take payment over the phone during the week and they had to call back during the week. Yeah. And I forgot in 10 years later, I guess they have to.

Wow. 10 years. Man, these places need to run a bit of, I don't know, account system. Yeah. Yeah. Um, oh, I don't know what's just, I'm just going to pre-read. Okay. I was hitchhiking from, go on.

No, no, no, please. I was hitchhiking from Palmerston, north to Dunedin, stayed overnight in Kaikolra, woke up early, started walking in a guy off of near lift. Whilst I was in the car, he started talking about flying. We stopped at the Whale Watching Company airstrips south of Kaikora. Next minute, we're in a wow-watching plane flying down to Timaru. What the hell?

Cool. Free trip. Free trip, wow watch, plane ride. Amazing. That's good stuff. There's so many. I got a free TV with my new TV purchase We didn't realize until we

Until we rang it up at the till And they brought out this other TV And we're like, what's going on here? And they said, we're not exactly sure But the machine told us to give you another TV Okay, well, if the machine says it They used to follow the machines. Who will we argue with the machine?

Yeah, I ordered a box of 12 Savvy Bs online. That's your 7-on-Blancs. Yeah, Savvy B is only what I'll call it from here on out though. Sevy B is so good. a very reputable wine online website. Got delivered five box of said Savvy Bee, but it was only charged for one. They delivered one a day over five days.

I just kept coming home to more and more Savvy Bee. That's right. Do you remember when I had a broken box of that gin bottle broke? Yes. And they, instead of giving me one replacement bottle, they gave me one box. Yes. Oh, hell yes.

Yeah, and I've still got a few of those bottles. Mm. Free. Beautiful. Best thing I got was a four-person spa. Went to some show where there was spas and there were half price and we decided to hire a purchase one.

Did all the paperwork that got delivered, but no payments ever came out. I'm still enjoying that spa five years later. Five years? How does a company that specialises in spas not realize that a spa has never been paid for? Yeah, like short-balanced a stock tank or something. I've got to balance the books, eh?

Wild. Oh, yeah, this is good. Okay. Time zone. I'm in time zone. I go into top up my card, $20. Accidentally, they topped up my game card $2,000. Shut it.

How long would that take to get through? It's so long. So long. That's so many trips. So many Mario Carts. So many basketball games. So many punching machines. I'd go straight to the claw machine, guys, and just see how many goes.

I could. Oh, yeah. Yeah. One every 500. And you actually end that $2,000 with nothing. And you're like, when some, you lose all of them. Oh, another podcast in the bag.

The plastic bag. Are they back? No, no, still banned. Okay. They never left. That's where you come in with the line, boy. Boy, man, if you enjoyed that... Okay.

Oh, and if you enjoyed it, give us a rating and a review and be sure to tell all of your friends. God, I need some sleep. Play ZDM's Fletchhorn and Haley.