ZM's Fletch, Vaughan & Hayley - Fletch, Vaughan & Hayley's Big Pod - October 21st 2025

Episode Date: October 20, 2025

On today's episode of the Fletch, Vaughan & Hayley Big Pod, Vaughan give's us an update on his Jimney, did he get it back... Grim hand washing stat Bed rotting upgrade SLP - How often do you change your toothbrush Whittaker's Chocolate price update Top 6 - Place's Eminem would take you on a date First date running company Fletch's exciting fruit news Vaughan's $10 Suburb What was your towns Urban Legend? Vaughan's Jimney Update Hayley has lost her mind Fact of the day When were you accidentally inappropriate to someone? See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

From the ZM podcast network This is Fleshwin and Haley's Big Pod Brought to you by Chemist Warehouse The Biggest Brands at the lowest prices Good morning Welcome to the show Fleech Fawn and Haley So I want to put my headphones on in the morning

And Bree's been in here God, she must be deaf Cranks in my ears Yeah I think it's as loud as I have my headphones Now Quite loud Now long weekend is imminent For a lot of...

We're making hours longer A lot of people, we're making hours longer. Yeah, we took the teachers' route. I decided to have a couple of teachers-only days towards the end of the week. That's right. So now we're making it a mega-mega-strike. Yeah.

People will think we're joining in. The three of us are off on holiday together tomorrow and we're all writing to-do lists of things to-do. We get in the MAZ straight after the show. 9-15 we're pulling out of here. 9-0-1. 9-0-1 will be pulling out. Well, after, because old mate over there, we'll do a plopty-loops.

you know, pre-hitting the rush? No, toilet, pre-9. Pre-9 toilet? I won't be stopping. I'll get up and have a dodgy public toilet. I have thought about what candy I'll put in the centre console. Am I going to do odd fellows? My dad and I do odd fellows.

Ooh. Well, the good thing about odd fellows is you're the only one's eating them. Yeah, that's why dad's always had odd fellows on roadies because the kids would never eat them because they're young. I'll get you some jubes. Horses love odd fellows. Do they? I don't think horses should be eating oddfellows.

No, they love them. Trust me, if you've got a horse in a bag of oddfellows, you've got a hell of a combo. No, I don't think you should be encouraging feeding oddfellows to horses. Yeah, I don't think that that's really something that we'll get behind. Bourne's $10 suburb returns this morning. We'll play just after $7.30. Where haven't we been on $10 suburb? Well, that's up to chat GPT to work out because I've asked the spread the love.

We had to Fongare yesterday. Beautiful. The top six on the way? Yeah, Eminem is dating. So I've got the top six places Eminem will take his new lady on a date Because he said he's re-entering the dating game And I was like, oh, that means he's single and on the apps and stuff But no, they've, he's met some of the dating game as

And he is dating somebody specifically After 20 years apparently of mostly being single Okay Goodness, man That's a little long time Should we kick off the show in a bit of a grim fashion Some research out of Australia actually looking at the hygiene practices of men.

Yeah, this is bad news if you're thinking of fleeing the country, woman. Yeah. You may want to think again. The ZM Podcast Network, play ZM's Flesh, Vaughan and Haley. Familiar, a great scent. Never offended when I smell it. It's an absolute classic. It is a classic, actually.

I think my dad might rock a CK one. And you're like, good on you, mate. I can imagine Craig wearing that. Fresh, bright. Love it. Now, I would like to assume that my friend's Fletch and Vaughn, every time you go to the toilet, whether it be 1sies, 2sies or 3sies,

that you... I don't even want to know what 3sies is. That you would wash your hands afterwards. Every single time. Every single time. Every single time. And if it's 2sies, it's a thorough wash. Almost to the elbow.

Do you know the other day... Surgeon style. I was washing my hands in the bathroom here at work and somebody walked out of the middle cubicle doesn't have a basin in it. No. Because the accessible toilet does. Yes.

They walked straight out after doing... I'm assuming number twosies, and didn't wash their hands. I was like, feel wild. So this is a survey out of Australia asking people to reveal their basic hygiene practices, and this focus mostly on hand washing. 20% of Australian men admit that they don't wash their hands after using the toilet, and that's gone up from the last time,

which was 2023, 20%. A fifth of men are just... That's not enough. Wiping or jiggling. And then... Shaking. Like, you were grabbing your sweaty junk that's been rattling around in there possibly all day.

Yep. On the, maybe on the building site, getting all sweaty. Yeah, doing whatever. You're grabbing onto it. And then you are... Yeah. They're not... And it's not...

Women are far less, but it's still not good. Women, 11%. Really? Yeah. That's grotty. Yeah. Men, and also, it's... The stats don't really change.

from urination to defecation, they call it. So now there's no difference. So people aren't going, oh, I only wash after I pipe. Oops. Because there will be times when maybe there's no soap or there's just, maybe the very rare occasion after a number one's you don't. But always after a number two's.

Sometimes. Always. After a number one's, yeah, like there'll be an occasional time where, you know, when you go to like a petrol station toilet and it almost feels like it makes your hands dirty. Yeah. To wash them. there's always a sign that says

if these restrooms aren't up to standard let us know. No. Like God, you've got to rip this thing out and start again. You've got to re-know here. As someone that worked at a service station though gosh people treat those with utter disrespect. Yeah, they do.

Art of disrespect. Do you know who's the worst at it? 18 to 24 year old so our younger generation but yeah those toilets are you go in and it's almost like elbows up You know, hands up and you can get your pants down and you hover over the toilet and then you just get up and you don't touch anything.

Then I won't wash my hands. Sometimes if it's like a toilet like that that's really bad, I'll get a little bit of toilet paper to open the door again. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, pull your sleeve down. Well, shit's been smeared everywhere. It'd be right to just take a sort of a barrier of sorts.

I keep a little hand sanitizer in my car for such a case. You still do. Yeah, you still do, actually. It's sort of a COVID hangover. Even if I take a wee in the wild, I always think next time I see a body of water I'll just submerge my hands. Give it a rinse.

It's really good for the people downstream drinking that, Vaughn. Yeah, well, they shouldn't be drinking. Do you know they're saying that we're in the middle of like a big regression because obviously pandemic, we up to our hand washing game. We wash for, you know, whatever, singing happy birthday. And now we've just gone back to like pre-pandemic. I think some people are too over the top with hand sanitizer. Like you can't kill everything.

No, no, no, no. You can bloody well try. You can try. Anyway, public are like Oh, come on, Aussie men And bear that in mind If you're thinking of fleeing New Zealand For the land of Australia

Yeah, the land of opportunity All the hot guys They might be hot But they're manky with pissy hands Exactly Don't touch me with your pissy hands The Fletch morning, Haley, big pod Well, I find it disgusting

What? That someone would rock away in bed all day Find it a waste of the day I don't know, I'd love to book one in I've thought about it against the lights and you're just like it's got to get up there's stuff to be done there's a day to be lived like what if the bomb drops at the end of the day

the bomb? The end of the world God that's a grim way to look at it unlike you though like even on Sunday when I woke up after Haley's after a slushy party and I felt like death it's probably the worst hangover ever had in a while and I was like you know what still getting up A friend said to me a hangover is

a choice. Yeah. It's just the price you pay. Get up. Yeah. Yeah. So bed rotting's never really been my thing. I figure I'll do that when I'm old and dying or something.

Yeah, I feel like that's what you do. Or something to roll me over and wash me with a sponge and take care of the sores. As I'm constantly like, just kill me. Just kill me. And they're like, sir, we can't. We can't. And I'm like, I can't get out of this bed. God, you'd be punishing in a home.

You'd be punishing all the poor. The nurses. With stories about your guard. I feel like I'd be doing stand-up routines, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Into a hairbrush in the corner, facing into the corner, completely off your rocker. Just into the wall. Yeah.

So bed rotting, not something I can get on board with, personally. Like wasting a day, lazy, being lazy and laying around. Gen Z trend. So now that bed rotting upgrade to a bed nest. Okay. You rot in your beard nest. This is how you make a bed nest. You have your bed, standard.

You can have your fitted sheet on the bottom, I suppose. Then you get another fitted sheet, except this one you turn upside down. So it's a cup. Like a cup. Then you fill up the edges with pillows. Oh, nice. We don't say that. We don't say that.

We fill up the outside, the circumference with pillows. The rim with pillows. And you, so then the fitted sheet is fitted around these pillows, but there's a dip in the middle. Wait, so what you're making is a big dog daybed. Oh, yes. like those like plushy, which to be honest I've seen those and thought, why don't they come in human size? I've seen a few

pop up on Instagram. They're in more like proper like posh architectural fancy houses. They do like in set like almost like a giant square couch. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's just like like a conversation pit but it's soft.

But it's soft and it just looks like the dream. But you'd never get out. No, you wouldn't. Yeah. You'd just flop in there every day and be like all right. And you'd fall asleep in front of the TV so much. You would, yeah, yeah, yeah. Then you put the pillows and the fitted sheet, upside-down-fitted sheet, the pillows are in the outside,

then you put a blanket across the top, or like a big comforter. Wait, are you doing this on your bed or on the floor in the lounge? I mean, you can do it on the floor on the lounge. Okay. You can do it anywhere, really. On top of the bed, and then your comforter, then you grab a blanket, and then you just get in and nest up. I'd rather make a fort.

Like, how good was making forts with your siblings? You get the chairs and the couches and put sheets over. The adult conversation pit is an adult fort. Yeah, but you just need to drape a sheet over top, so you're kind of in like a little... And the monsters won't get in. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, what could you use? What could you use? You could use chairs.

The kitchen chairs, your dining chairs. You could make the nest and then just use the kitchen dining chairs around and get a... You'd need a huge blanket. In California King. Huge. But then the way to that, you've got to be careful. For my time, I'm building a pretty badass blanket fort. Yeah.

Pulls the chairs in. Do your girls make forts? They did. Did. We used to make forts. when they were a little bit younger. And we should make adult forts more. Yeah.

Have you ever seen that episode of community where they make the community? By the way, if you didn't even watch it, watch it or give it a re-watch because it's aging beautifully. Yeah. There's the episode where they start building a fort and the fort takes up the entire campus. It's so good. When we go away this long weekend, should we make a little fort and hang out in it? Again, I don't know where we're going.

Weather's not looking great around the country. It might be Fort. It might be Fort weather. Ideal Fort weather. We just spend five days in a fort together. Yeah. The ZM Podcast Network Play ZM's Fletchhorn and Haley

SLEC silly little pole It is so silly, silly, silly, silly that silly little pole silly little pole silly little pole silly little pole silly little pole A silly little pole today is how often do you change your toothbrush?

We gave the options every month, every three months, every six months, or every year or more. Every year or more is pretty great. Every three months, it was always like the change of the season you get a new toothbrush, right? But that was when I used the hard brush or brush, and I want to use your soft brusher brush. You've got to use your soft brisual brush or brush. And I find the soft bruscial brush goes a bit... Fleared. Yeah.

Earlier. Well, a story on the BBC, the big British corporation. Oh, we're out. Just about how much bacteria and fungi are on the toothbrush. And yet, people don't throw them out enough. How do we get rid of that? Replacing your toothbrush more. But there's no way to keep them cleaner while we've got them.

No, and because don't they say every time you have a cold or a flu should change your toothbrush as well? It does make sense. Yeah, people don't. Okay. Well, the most popular answer, by Miles in our survey, every three months. 61% of people see it every three months. Oh, very good. And that's what most kind of professionals say every three to four months.

It's appropriato. Or if the bristles become frayed, matted or worn. You know, like you see some people's toothbrush at their house in the bristles. Yeah. I've got one of those in my drawer. Like, for sure, I've got a flared one. And then I've got a one I'm using at the moment. And then I've got an electric one that's dead.

They're good for, like, cleaning the little, you know? I use it for my shower, grout lines. Yeah. You just got to remember that there's a grout toothbrush. I've got to clean my shower. Yes. Yeah. Clean shower ground

I'm doing my to-do list Surely that's not a priority Today No it's pretty grim Oh is it okay So every three months It's 61% Every six months

24% Every month 8% Or every year or more 7% Wow Yeah Yeah Some feedback on it

Laura said Whenever I suddenly feel gross About it Like right now You guys mentioned it So obviously I'm gonna need to replace

My toothbrush Yeah Let this be a reminder I guess To replace thy toothbrush To replace thine toothbrush To replace thine The tooth brush, as thineers want to do.

Tiana said, beginning of every season. So there you go. Oh yeah, so that's a good way of doing it, isn't it? Your summer brush. Do people actually do the new season, new toothbrush thing? Is this how I realize, is this how I realize I'm slightly manky? Six months isn't that bad, is it, from Kate? Yeah.

I mean, I can understand if toothbrush eye were, you know, $80 each. They're like five bucks, yeah. three or four, but, like, we get those, we have the same toothbrush, hey. The plastic, no, the non-plastic ones. The charcoal. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not charcoal, but yeah, they're good. You guys don't use electric toothbrushes anymore.

Nah, I've got one, but it's dead. Because they, my dentist told me it was a chainsaw for the gums, yeah. I've got very sensitive gums. Daughter's got one on it. It always looks macky. Yeah. When you had them, would you wash them off every time? Yeah, it's annoying.

And the base? And the base coagulates. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And if you go away for a long time and you leave it sitting on the stand, it glues itself. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a little bit, yes. Events says I've got a subscription for Christmas one year, and they just turn up every three months. That's a good idea.

That's a really good idea. But a bit of a kick in the tits if you're insecure and then someone gives you a toothbrush or something. Oh, yeah, a dental kit. And then you're constantly like, I used to love doing that, eh? How do I smell? Vicky said at the moment once a month because I used to clean my invisaline and the bristles go all out of shape

You're not supposed to scrub your invisible line like that I don't know how are you meant to Put it in your sterodent Oh okay Yeah Dental assistant here It's Melinda Chowda

Dental assistant hair toothbrushes or toothbrush heads Should be changed with every change of the season Please Every month but also after any cold or sickness Says Haley Yes She's a clever cookie

Oh that's what we get Grin, the natural toothbrush. Yes, which is $3.99. Shose Spon. Show Spon has them. Really? Yeah, yeah. Lori said, I got a new electric toothbrush recently.

One of the same models I already had, the glow-up it's had, means the app tells me when to change the head. That sucker is smarter than me. I feel like that. I feel like the app's peddling heads quick, though. That's what I hate about the electric toothbrushes is the heads are expensive. Yes, totally. It's the old razor, like, either get you the handle for free, eh, and they charge you the earth for the razors. Fiona said three months, the e-brush tells me when it's time to change the head.

Again, someone's getting e-brushes. And Tessa said, I replace it when it starts to look forlorn. For the use of forlorn alone, I'm choosing her as our contributor of the day. Oh, really? The 10th of the week. No, this is silly little poll. Sponsored by McCaffee. Yes, it is.

We've got a McCaffee voucher to give a $50. God, you're on to it. You're so onto it. Thanks, guys. You're the least on-to-it person here. But I'm so on-to-it. it because when it comes to making this company money it's his passion.

You will not find a more passionate individual. Yes, it is. So, Tessa gets to McAfee, $50. Yes, I will say thank you to our sponsor, Mick Cafe, keep the show on the road, drive-through, Mick Cafe for your morning fix. So she said, I replace her when it starts a lot forlorn, but it lives with my hairbrush,

and if I house sit for a family, I'll happily indulge in a foreign tooth scrubber. So the age is definitely not the biggest hygiene risk. So you use someone else's toothbrush? What? It is weird, eh, when you're... When you use your partner's toothbrush, it is a bit, like, into that. But you'll do other things to them that are significantly grosser.

Oh, like, leaps and bounce. Yeah, don't give an example, but you know. I've got three examples I'd like to give. I reckon we've all got the same example in mind. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We're all thinking the exact same thing. I mean, you're down there. You know what I mean?

Like, don't ignore it. You're down there in a 2025, you know? We're living. We're living? We're living or we're dying? Make a choice. So, today's a day. silly little poll, we ask how often do you change your toothbrush?

And the most popular correspondent says every three months. Play ZM's Fletch, Vaughan and Haley. Bad news for chocolate lovers. I know and I don't like bad news, Nigella. Oh, chocolate lovers. Oh, what? Whitaker's chocolate price has gone up. E.

Now, the Herald reported yesterday, Blocks have been as high, and obviously prices vary. at supermarkets around the country but blocks have been as high as $8.49. I'm not paying it. I would. I would still will.

I'm still paying. I literally, there's a block in my fridge. It was the honey nougar one. I haven't tried it yet. Yeah, that slaps. Oh, okay. Does it slap? Yeah, that slaps hard.

They're very rare that Whitaker's miss with a flavor. Oh, yeah. Other than mango coconut, that was the pits. No, that was the pits. It tasted like a vom. It tasted like absolute vinegar gone hard and a cheesecake.

Oh, yeah. Fair call. Fair call. I take it back. Well, New World's stores across Auckland were selling the regular 250 blocks for $8.49 on Monday. Just last Friday, there was $7.69. So that's an 80 cents increase. Cheapest in Auckland that the Harold could find was $6.39 at Pack and Save in Botany. There you go. And, yeah, prices varying. But, yeah, they have gone up the prices. the company said that prices have increased across its range of products last Friday and they say it's a last resort but you know this is just the world we live in now isn't it

this is our last resort suffocation no breathing 80 cents more on a block of chart yeah yeah it's confidence buddy it was good no you're funny that was funny That was funny, Papa Roach. But yeah, I guess, like... Anybody in the mood for Papa Roach? Okay, so before you got here, Papa Roach is going on the roadie... The only last resort,

as someone who did go to Papa Roach a couple of years ago. Why is it playing like... I was echoed because it was literally playing out. I was like, why isn't it playing loud? That was weird. Plug in your ox cord, please. Here we go. No beating.

This is explosive. I just talked over that. Don't give up. Oh, okay. Okay, was that the only swear word? You just played that on here. I know, we talked over it. No one heard it.

I know. That was lucky. Save Vaughn's career there. Oh yeah, there's another one. There's another one coming. Okay, well, maybe we don't play an explicit version. Well, I don't know if there's a radio. It's Papa Roach.

What are you going to pay the one? Sure. Anyway, this is the thing with Whitakers. And I said, I'll pay for it. We were talking about this before you arrived at work, Vaughn. And I said to the producer girls, I said, well, you've just got to buy it when it's on special as a loss later. And they said, what? Oh my God, I educated them

And I'll tell you what, they were impressed. I know. How good is that? Because now you've let them in on the lost leader secret. So that means they will, in turn, always see the lost leaders now in there at the supermarket. And tell more people about what a lost leader is. Producer Shannon, were you particularly impressed by what a loss leader is at a supermarket? I called you hot.

Yeah. Yeah, she's inappropriate. She'll be at HR later today. You didn't want me the lost letter thing. It was just because I, you know how I shop. Just. Well, you don't know what lost leaders are because you buy, last, yesterday she bought

$5 chicken from the dairy. Two breasts for $5. That's $2.50 chicken. Tell me you wouldn't buy that. And that were big breasts too. That's screaming and a food and illness coming your way today. No, I cooked extra.

Yeah. Cooked an extra, so now you're eating a cheap, dry, dry chicken breast. But it didn't make me sick, did it? And I saved a lot of money. Okay, a loss leader is a pricing strategy where a business sells a product below its market cost to attract customers.

And it's always the stuff at the end of aisles. You're still going to make it up with the rest of the shit. It's always Coke. There's always a big bottles of Coke. Cokes are always the loss leader. And occasionally it'll be like, it's never stuff that's good for you. That's what I was going to say,

could you put together a menu of lost leader, like the week's loss leaders, but you wouldn't get much nutrition. No, no, no, no, no, no. Sometimes the supermarkets will discount, like they'll have a big special on apples or avocados. So, yeah, that's a flooded market, though, they do. Yeah.

But, yes, it's, I think you've got a, But the problem is if you find Whittaker's when it's on special and you do buy 10 blocks, you know those 10 blocks are in your fridge or your pantry. This is the thing. So when they did the banana caramel one, which was like right at my alley, we did get sent a bunch and I had so much at home.

And I was like, this is going to sort me out for the rest of, no, gong every day. September. I would like to put to you, too, very smart individuals. Thank you. Do you think the bachelor's handbag is a lost leader? Because often the bachelor's handbag is cheaper than buying an uncooked chicken to cook yourself later.

Yeah, maybe because then you go away and you're like, well, I'll get a chicken, but then I have to get some salad and buns. Maybe. Yeah. Because I'm always amazed at how cheap a bachelor's handbag can be. Well, at Costco, they do an $8 bachelor's handker. I know. And it's not free range, though.

Sad. No, it's a bodybuilder. It is. It's a terrible. It's on that thing. The Fletchborn and Haley Big Pod From your local community Facebook page This is the Top Sex

Eminem's dating 20 years he's been single He is dating a local stylist called Katrina This is Marshall and Katrina Oh yes Martian Cat Oh that's nice That's nice

Who's coming over for dinner tonight? I forgot We've got Martian Cat coming Oh no I know he's doing his cheese dip his cobloaf Oh he does a great She does it She's previously worked

Yes Patsy's cobbloaf is second two What is she Like we're talking she hollows it out And fills it up And then you've got cream cheese We got back Yeah yeah yeah yeah

Yeah I don't need that recipe She's previously worked on Some music videos and photo shoots Um Yeah So she's known him a while Um Is this recent

No she has She's known on them for a while Oh, yeah, she's worked on some of his stuff together. Okay. Yeah. So he said it's like 20 years. He finds, he's found romance tough previously. You always be here.

So I've got my own background music for this. Oh, you do? Okay. For this top six. Probably his, um, one of his top five songs of all time. Lose yourself. I think it would be the, you know what? I'm always like, oh, I like him and me.

He's okay. He's like, but then I, you'll see the list of hits and you're like, Oh, I love him. So many songs. I love him. It's wild. That original album, when it came out of like 99,000 was. I mean, it has...

It's... Terribly. Here it goes. Tremendously. Terribly. Remember when he sued the National Party? Yes. John Keyes National Party.

That's right. For using this as their campaign music. Sort of a... Too much like this. A version of it. Yeah, yeah. Well, about the top six places Eminem can take his new girlfriend on a date. Okay.

Number six on the list, the gym. Why? Because his knees are weak and his arms are heavy. He needs to work on his strength and resistance. Yeah, he does. Okay, of course, yeah. Can't be having weak knees, especially at his age, he's not young. No, you've got to work, you've got to keep the knees strong.

The muscles around them. Number five on the list of the top six places Eminem can take his new girlfriend on a date. Well, after meeting his parents, he'll have to stop at the laundromat. Why? He's got vomit on his sweater already, mum spaghetti. Oh, my God. Yeah, so he needs to wash him. He spewed up mum's spaghetti on the way home?

Yeah. I bet his mum makes a good spaghetti. Famously. Number four on the list of the top six places Eminem can take his new girlfriend on a date. The speech therapist. Why is he taking her to the speech therapist? He opens his mouth of the words won't come out.

Right, yeah. Okay, yeah. He's got a stutter of sorts. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Number three on the list of the total sex places, Eminem can take his girlfriend on a lot of. a day, his job in roofing. Why is he taking it?

Why? Well, before you put a new roof on, he's got to tear this mother effing roof off like two dogs caged. And many hands make light work. Yeah, right, right, right. She can help out. So he tears the roof off and then he just immediately replaces it.

Well, you've got to take the old roof off before you. Yeah, yeah. And you've got to tear it off like two dogs caged. Yeah. Number two on the list of the top six places, Eminem can take his new girlfriend on a date, the nappy store. Why is he taking it to the nappy store? Haley, it's because these goddamn food stamps

they don't buy diapers. They don't. They don't. You've got to go to a place that accepts it. Yep, text machines loving this, by the way. Are they? Yeah. Radio gold. Radio gold. It's been called radio gold. Wow. This is the easiest I just think the listeners appreciate of putting it in an effort. That was zero effort.

It's literally just Eminem's lyric. This is the easiest one I've ever done. These people late left with him hanging front. Funniest top six in ages. Oh, okay. Yeah. Number one on the list of the top six places Eminem can take his new girlfriend on a date.

What? The caravan sales yard. Why? Mom, I love you, but the trailer's got to go. Yeah. He cannot grow old in Salem's lot. No. Wow.

So anyway, God, I'm so angry. You like this so much. I loved it. It was so good. Taking his date to the day to the day. the speech therapist. That was his mouth in the news like to come out. God just got to stop past the roofers.

All right, that is today's stop. It sucks. I glad we all had fun. The ZN Podcast Network, Clay, ZN's Flesh, Forne and Haley. So there was, I'm not, I can't actually find out who the company was. Producer Shandog, do you know who this was? Because this is in Christchurch, our very own Christchurch, who we love very much. You've thrown me under the bus here. I am pulling it up.

I think it's called Social Striders. Social strike That's what it is Social Straits, it's right there It's right there So they put on a little event Where eight couples met for a blind date

Right In Hagley Park Great Right beautiful Hagley Park At the cherry blossoms at the moment Oh is it's lovely Is it the cherry blossoms time Yes

A lot of things blossoming A few weeks And they just started There's so many people Already doing the photo shoots Because you know everyone does the photo shoots Spring be spring and eight There's a street we love up in Auckland

that in the autumn is orange and then it's all ghosty and now it's got leaves. It happens so quickly, Vaughn. What street is this? Yeah, it's like a tunnel. Stop. It's similar to Franklin Road, but it's not.

Like it's near there. Anyway, beautiful. Yeah, it's real posh. So eight couples meet up for this Blind Aid and Hagley Park. They've kind of been put together, a bit of matchmaking stuff. But before they get to enjoy each other's company,

side by side, they have to run 10 kilometres together. Oh, that's enough to make you sweat. That's... I'm bucketing at 10. That's puffy sweaty times. Yeah. But are these all hardcore runners or are these not hardcore runners?

I mean, they look like fit active people. I just think that you'd have to actively sign up to it. Like I wouldn't be like, oh, okay, I'll do that. Yeah. Like 10K is not to be sneezed at. No. That is a very hard run. It's a quarter marathon.

And I'm not a good talker. When I run, I can't. Yeah, when we used to run, we didn't really, it was hard talking. I'm not a big talk and runner. I do like a talk and run, though, because it makes the time go by quicker. But your lungs, I mean, it's probably good for the lungs, right? I think it's good for you, isn't it? Is it?

Okay. Didn't do you a leaper? Didn't do a leaper say that she sings on the treadmill? Miley Cyrus does it. Get ready to do both because she's so active on stage. Is that why Lord's got a treadmill at her show? I know. She set a fast pace, Lord.

I know. That's a power walk. I can't wait to see that live in concert. Yeah, yeah, totally, it will be. But 10K on a first day. Like, if I'm a runner... I'm sorry, I don't know what you're talking about with Lord. Oh, so she's got a treadmill on stage and she's like powering.

Oof, oof, she walks on the treadmill. No, she runs. During the show. Yeah. Well, not all the sight, just one song. Well, look online. God, where have you been? It's been everywhere, Vaughn.

Christ. That's how I haven't. It's in your hour of rhythm. to the world. Change your algorithm. I can't change my algorithm. From a hot, mixed, ethnic woman. It keeps going back to the bright eyes.

Oh my God, brown skin, blue eyes. Okay. All right, bullies out. All right, get it together, guys. We're professionals. She sings and runs on a treadmill for the song Supercutt. Yes. I love that song.

I know you do. Well, clearly you don't. She's very fit to do that. I remember watching a video of Miley Cyrus. singing one of belting one of her like big songs and she's done on a treadmill because you're like Lord's doing this barefoot in this video I'm watching see that's terrible for your ankles I wouldn't health and safety that's a health and safety you can't do that at the gym because if your toe gets caught under that thing oh they're going to be in trouble you got me in trouble I jimed once remember

barefoot I had to remember I forgot my shoes I got asked to leave the gym because I didn't have yeah if they spot you they always they'll kick you out I sort of snuck yeah snuck by oh really but yet there's a guy at our gym in those toe shoes and that's technically Bare feet, that's barely more than just wearing socks. Yeah, you're dead right. We should ban him. You are dead right. Play Z-Ns, Fletchhorn and Haley.

Well, in the sheet it says Fletcher's exciting fruit news. Guys, I pitched this story early on and you were both on board. You're both on board. You're both on board. I'll hear about it. Guys, we are getting giant blueberry, gigantic blueberries in New Zealand. What would you say they're the size of? Ping pong balls.

Jesus. So a plum. A plum-sized blueberry. Like, how do you even eat that? Like, do you eat it like a plum? Or do you, like, gobb a whole plum? I gobb it. You'd put it all in.

And because there's no stone to move around. Yeah, there's going to be no stone. Yeah, there's little wee. It's going to be nice. Seeds. Yeah, do you reckon those are bigger? Will they be supersized? Please tell us the origins of the ping pong sized blueberry.

Well, this was reported by our comrades at RNZ, Radio New Zealand. Comrades. Good morning, comrades. They are saying that blueberry is the size of ping pong ballers. will be growing in New Zealand, Waikato and also Northland where these are Kittie and the Waikato regions and they're going to grow them

and they weigh up to 20 grams. We grow a shit. And hot blueberry and the Waikata. Yeah, okay, so I got blueberries the other day because I've been buying frozen berries over the winter. Of course. Because, you know, they're a good superfood, blueberries. I also buy them in the summer

because they're just so much cheaper. Yeah, like normally a dog. or two upon it, right? But at the moment I saw them in the supunker, they were like eight or $7 upon it. I was like, no, no, no, no, no, not yet. But like, what do you reckon you'll only need three a day? Three giant?

How many you'd have? What are you going to do? The smoothie. No, they're too good for a smoothie. And you know, I'm bad to frozen blueberries. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. For a treat. Because when you're in your 40s,

you've got to pull back on the treats. You do. It can't be chocolate or look at like yogurt blueberries as a treat. And trust me, if you're in your 20s, that sucks. Shit, don't afford to it. Moron born eating a giant almond gold after eight. Yeah, actually.

Speaking of treats. Balance. Hey look. Do you think they'll just be quite watery? That would be my concern. Yeah, like they're not going to be as nice as a blueberry. And do you know, I bigger is better. I got that in my head.

Yeah. So I'll always see a big version of a fruit and pick up. Not always the tastiest. No, no, no. The tastiest things come into the smallest packages. You got to, you know what I'm saying? You know, it's more condensed. Yes.

It's more concentrated. It's more concentrated is what I mean. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. I love blueberries. Same. Yes, same. What's your berry of choice? Raspberry.

Yeah. But they, man, you part with a small fortune when you get a fresh pan of raspberries and then they start getting fluffy mold quite quickly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the thing you shouldn't feel bad about eating those raspberries real quick because they're the avocado of the berry world. They turn. They turn.

They turn like a dime. You need to be looking out for these apparently in supermarkets. Some supermarkets, later next year. So I'm just going to scare of them. They freak me out a bit. What, when it's too big? Like, that's a bit like, have I shrunk?

You know what I? Yeah, yeah, that's a good point. That's the size of a blueberry. Like old people, they all just shrink, don't they? Yeah, everything looks so big in their hands. Are we finished on the blueberry? Why? I've got something I want to add on the end, but I will let everybody wrap up for it.

Is it a full digression? So we want to return. Yeah, go for it. Yeah. Just receive this message. Oh, okay. Bull of vernarka. Oh, Bull of anaka.

Bull of Anaka. We're sailing up the Hōraki Gulf. Just sailed our yacht, Kuwait, back from Fiji. Killeda. Churned into you guys on FM for the first time of five months. Nice to have you on board heading into the Auckland quarantine, Dr. Cleo-Clock Customs. Oh, hello. How's that.

That's fantastic. How fun. Hopefully they don't have any barnacles, or they haven't kind of accidentally towed a brick of cocaine in. Yeah. That'd be my worst nightmare. You wouldn't say anything, would you? I don't think towing a brick of cocaine is a very subtle way to get cocaine in. into the country.

No, I just meant they were sailing and it hooked on. Oh, I got hooked on something. And then they'll be accused of bringing it in when they haven't. So it's like, they were kind of sailing and the cocaine went under the boat and then just like wedged itself in the key. It's in a net. Yes, it's in a net. You're not dragging a net.

You don't need that resistance on the open seats. Right. Maybe it's just a couple of barnacles. We'll watch the barnacles. Welcome back. Jeanette, Mike and Grant, they've just text messages to get and that's her on board. I mean, people are like, can I have a shout out? And then they're just like, can have a shout out?

I'm just in the car with my mum. And I'm like, boring. Right, Shannon. We've got international travellers. Shannon would like to add something. Oh, I just want to shout out to. Yeah, shout out to Shannon in the workshop. Honestly, I do this one more time.

You're getting a ridden morning. I'm sick of it. Shout out to Shannon is. I thought she might have known Jeanette. Yeah. It's the kind of thing Shannon would say. I know them. They're from East Orkland.

And again, if I might digress back to Lord on a treadmill. Someone's messaged and they worked in a gym in Wellington in the early 2000 as John Toogood from Shihad would come in and sprint on the treadmill in black skinny jeans. Well, he's got to run around. Somebody said, what's going on? And he's like, well, I've got it. I'm on stage in the skinny jeans.

Yeah. I've got to move in the skinny jeans. So he's training and no point training in floppy light shorts and then you put on your skinny jeans. You're like, the hell is this? Yeah. Look at on them. Should we practice doing radio on the treadmills?

No. I think so. No, I'm out. Okay, go. Play ZM's Flash, One and Haley. Play ZM's Flechhorn and Haley. Letch, Vaughan and Haley. Vonn's $10 suburb.

Right, $10 suburb, if you've not heard it, I randomly generate a suburb summer around Al-Tiro in New Zealand and you have to be in that suburb to claim $10. Immediately, like after you confirm where you are, we'll run a test. We transfer, well, I transfer $10 from my personal bank account.

Vaughn has personally bankrolled this competition and has not received any remuneration from the company. No, he hasn't. Because he can't be bothered learning how to sign up to the system that pays you back for expenses. It does feel hard, eh? It's so hard. I think they're intentionally making it very hard.

Oh, yeah, it's like when we do a parking or something. Yeah, I was just about to say $15 parking. You're like, it's just not worth this bullshit admin. Yeah, I'll just cover it. I'll pay $50. Check. Yeah. So I go up to the account and it's like, write me a check.

Yeah, but I think when there aren't systems in place form, that's how people end up on the news for ripping off a company. A bit of embezzlement. Yeah, 100 grand. We're going to need to be doing a few of these before I'm owed 100 grand. Okay, let's randomly generate a suburb somewhere in New Zealand. Layed it. Today, we're going to Springlands in Blenheim.

Springlands? I've never heard of Springlins. Springlins. They probably say Springlands. Springlands. Lands. Like it used to be a land of springs. Like it sounds bloody.

Blenheim's quietly bougie suburb where people describe their gardens as well established in their seven-ion Blanc as cellar temperature. Oh! So I've looked up Springlands, Darlane, it's kind of north-west part of Blenheim. Darling, it includes shermanip an area. You know what? I know we were worried when it randomly generated Timaru and a suburb there and we were like, oh-oh, but this could be our first map, do you reckon?

It's a big suburb. It's got a Harvey Norman. It's got a pack and save. It's got a harvey Norman. It's got sun down a motel. Well, if you are listening... On the Virgil Pollard Park. If you are listening right now and you are in the Blenheim suburb of Springlands, and maybe as a local you'd be able to tell us, like, how do you rock it out? Do you say Springlands? Or do you say Springlands? Springlands?

Okay, 0,800,000 M is the number. If you're in Springlands, Springlands in Blenham, Springlands. Guys, I've got to say the... Springland's takeaways looks absolute top tier. Show me, show me, show me. Burgers and the Chinese Buffet. Load me up, a polystyrene container, a sweet and sour pork, a black bean beef. Karen joins us.

Good morning, Karen. Good morning. Are you in Springlands? I'm in Springlands and Blenham. Springlands and Blenheim. Where are you pulled over? I can hear an indicator or are you on the move? Yes, I'll just turn it off.

I'll just turn it off. Just pull over and stop exactly where you are. Tell me whereabouts you are in Springlands because we do run quite a tight ship here. We need you to prove to us that you are where you say you are. Okay, so I live in Perkins Street in Springlands and Blenham. But where are you right now? And I'm in a street called Batty's Road.

B-A-T-T-Y-S. Okay, and that is in Springlands? Yes. Oh, okay. Because sometimes... Well, hold your horses. Okay. We may need you to reverse.

Batti's Road to Bette, hmm, not according to Google Maps. Baddy's Road, Murphy's Road turns into Batti's Road. At the border of Springlands. Yeah, but the roundabout is the border of Springlands. Wait, is she not in Springlands? Oh no. Wait, does she need to drive back? Shall I go back into Murphy's Road?

Yeah, I reckon. How badly do you want $10, Karen? Wait a minute, how far down Baddy's Road are you? What number? Are you before, Laking's Road? Um, by the nursing home. You're going to turn around and go back. Wait a minute.

Wait a minute. What exact... Okay, I can have a number? Do you have a number? I can see the lifestyle village. The lifestyle village is inside. Literally the lifestyle village is on the cusp. Oh, okay.

Oh, Springlands. Are we getting another fence jumper? Do we have a number? Is there another number? Any street letterboxes or street signs? Yeah, I don't know. I can't say. They can only see Lifestyle Village.

Okay, okay, what's over the road? What's over the road from where you are on the other side of the road? Some houses, so that would be Laking's Road. So you're before Laking's Road? Yeah. Is she in Springland? Is she in Springland? I'm just like, shush and hold your horses.

Okay, sorry, just running some checks. Got it's some checks here. Okay, okay, okay, okay. There's some houses. There is a sign on the side of the road. Can you see it? It's a yellow sign. Yeah.

What does that say? Ducks. She's there. Ducks! Ducks crossing! Ducks crossing! It's one of New Zealand's rare Ducks Crossing's signs. Because of Springlands, there's springs.

Ducks love springs. There's natural springs. The minute I saw that duck sign, I'm like, it's the perfect question. There you are, Karen, congratulations. She is literally just inside Springlands. That is how this game works. It's sometimes by meters. People have missed out.

Lakeys, yeah. Springlands take away the best in New Zealand. Okay, I just wanted to. to ask Karen, because online, the photos looked delish. It is delish. It's the best. Great Chinese. What's your order?

What are you getting from Springland's Takeaways? Do you do the Buffet? Are we going to do that thing? We should tell everybody to go to Springland's Takeaways tonight. The buffet's really good, but the burgers are often as well. Okay. Do they, are they a stickler for shutting the lid, though, Karen? Because you know, some places are like, well, if we can't get the lid iron.

They squeeze it and wrap a rubber banner on it. They come in a bag. Oh, they come in a bag. Okay, good. The Chinese takeaway comes in a bag while they just slop it into a bag for you? Oh, no, the burgers. The burgers?

Yeah, but what about if you're going on the Chinese buffet? Are they like cranking it? You know, sometimes if you can't get the lid on, some places charge you like $2.50? Yeah. I don't know. They usually go, yeah, you're fine. Oh, good.

They do. Good bastards. Good people. Yeah. Okay, well, congratulations, Karen. You are today's winner of our $10 suburb. And stay on the line. Well, you can do an online order.

Oh, good. How good is it when a takeaway place does an online order? It's good stuff. Mindy there's something authentic about ringing them and getting that. I know. How long is it going to be? 10 minute. Stay on the line, Karen.

We'll grab your bank account details. 10 bucks. And Vaughn will transfer you the $10.10 you've ever heard. Immediately now. The Z&P Podcast Network. Is this a show real? Play ZM's Flesh Foran and Haley. Well, the other day we were talking about what was banned at your school.

Like what got banned? What was... Six seven. Six seven's been banned. Why then number plate is still available. $1,000 if anybody wants to constantly have kids going, scatinate them when they're driving around. I've thought about it, but no.

And then I think, Varnie, it was you, you sort of, where I said, I thought every school had the urban legend of siblings that had hooked up. Yeah, yeah, that's right. The weird, the weird family from school. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And people were like, I heard they hooked up. And you're like, what? No, they didn't.

Of course they didn't. Fingers crossed. And then I was sharing that one of the, was that there was a girl who had peed in this little, like, tube thing. In the playground. That was like a concrete tube and you could just go in it. Of course she never did. No, she didn't.

And also I was the school peer, you know? So then we wanted to... Nice to have that taken off your plate, though. Really? It was such a good day. Really good. We said we were going to come back to this, and here we are right now. We want to know what was the urban legend.

Should we do in your town? Yes. Rather than just at your school? Yeah, sure. It could be a school-related one, but could be, like, in the town as well. Or there was that man, you know, and he's a bit mad. Because we had Mad Max. We had Mad Max, and he was this guy, and he drove around, like, a giant adult-sized tricycle,

but he'd chase, and people would taunt him, and he'd chase them. And, like, looking back on it, it was insane. This poor man who was maybe going through some shit. Yeah. And was a little unusual. Yeah. Yeah. And didn't fit the societal norms.

Had kids running past his house screaming Mad Max, Mad Max, so he'd chase them. Yeah. Like, every town had it. that you're like a legend that got passed down and you're like I don't even know My big brother's friend said that their cover Yeah

And it was something just that they lived in a big scary Like haunted looking house Totally And then someone started a rumour And then it became a thing It's good as well Because I grew up in a like a little town You know like a small little village

And everyone knew everyone's business And then yeah like my brother would pass down The legends to me So this is what we wanted to today What was the urban legend in your town growing up? Like your Galeigh and Louise's message did. Okay. She's hot off the back.

Um, it's not, she's kind of misreaded as the urban legend. She said, um, there was an, uh, a charismatic pink Duran Duran t-shirt wearing, uh, they called him the Pied Piper of Ash Burton. Right. The Pied Piper of Ash Vegas. It was Simon Barnett. What was the Pied Piper? She's misreaded as like, who was your urban legend? Oh no.

No, she's misread it. What, do you reckon there was, he was doing a little Pied Piper in? I mean, I, I, I, I do like to think of Simon Barnett with a sort of small flute. Okay, 0800 dials at M is the number, 9-696 to text in. Okay, we need, we need, we need, some of these you're just putting in the subject and we need to explain. Dennis and the cow in Cambridge apparently very famous.

No, you've got to tell us what was... What's Dennis and what's the cow? What do we could... Oh, and we don't, obviously, we're not going to defame people. No, no, no, no, no. If he did something to the cow, and he obviously didn't do anything for the cow's privacy. Oh, my God. Mad Max, the Morans of a legend, I was talking about before. Just text him?

He left all his money to the SBCA when he died. Someone messaged in. I nursed him. He was actually a really nice guy. He did chase me on his trike when I was 14. Because kids behind us yelled at him, but I nursed him and when he died, he left all his money to the SPCA. Oh my God. And do you reckon it was like millions of dollars?

I hope so. Someone else just yelled out. Someone just messaged in. Dennis and the cow! We just explain it. Okay. Oh, 800. Probably absolutely never going to make it on here, by the way, when someone does explain it.

9-696 to text in. What was the urban legend? Oh, I was right. I'm trying to quickly vet them. Someone put some tea on. Someone brewed some tea. Were you? Someone brewed some tea.

I was okay. I guess they were talking about. By the way, some of these will never make the radio. No. For litigious reasons. I kind of remember this guy in Eastbourne. That's where I grew up. Yeah.

We had a man who thought if his feet touched the ground, the world would blow up and he wore metal-like skate things. without wheels to stop him touching the earth. I sort of remember that, but I'm also like, is that an urban legend? Or if I miss, you know, like... And so many people say it, you just think it's true. And then you're like, no, it wasn't. Yeah.

Darrell, what was the town urban legend? Oh, Keral, good morning. Long time, listener, first time call it. Oh, good morning, good morning, good morning. No ma'arama. No ma'am. The legend that I had in my town, so grew up, it was a main road,

and it was quite a busy main road with lots of cars, and there was a fish and chip shop flunked pretty squarely on the main road, pretty busy. So the legend was that the fish and chip shop used the road to kill possums. Yeah. Of course, not a white meat.

Yeah, okay. It was delicious. Have you got a cheeseburger? It was a possum? Yeah, exactly. Did you just say it was delicious, though? Because then you're like, oh, who cares? You know what I mean?

Oh, well, you're like? Well, it was the thing. I mean, no one seemed to not go there. Yeah, it obviously wasn't true. So, yeah. I'm guessing, as a person from also from small town, New Zealand, I'm guessing the people that owned the fish and chip shop were immigrants to New Zealand? Oh, possibly.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Sounds like some white slander to me. Daryl, thank you. Some messages in. Someone said the metal feet dude in Eastbourne was an inventor and he thought it was a more efficient way to move long distances. There was an inventor in Eastbourne.

For sure there was. When I was a kid in our little town in the middle of nowhere there was an old man who lived on the corner three doors down, he always had his log burner burning 24-7 even through summer. He was a recluse and you'd never see him anywhere in town except driving slowly around in his yurt. He creeped out the kids.

I'm 36 now and a couple of years ago listening to a true crime podcast about a woman that was murdered many years ago. Guess my utter shock when they named the main suspect was log burner guy. No! Dunt! Dunn! He was slowly like burning her away bit by bit.

Yeah. You can he chopped you're up and put her in the long burn. 100%. You would, wouldn't you? Growing up, my dad thought that the local town drunk was an urban legend. Turns out she was very real, and I bought her her sweet little Christmas cards that she handmade one year and in the octagon.

Oh, okay. I met her. I told Dad I met her and he was like, no way. But if you don't know her name, do you write Dear Town Drunk, Merry Christmas? Probably not. Just Merry Christmas, I believe the name's out of it. Certainly no need for a name calling on the situation.

Hello, Town Drunk. Someone said, did everybody's school have the urban legend about the girl in the test tube? The girl in the test tube? What? I mean, I went to an all-boys school, but I've just imagined what that could have been. And it broke.

What about eggs? That was ours. Was a raw egg up there and then a crack from all the shelves. Oh, wow. And there was also the biscuit, the soggy biscuit. The biscuit. Yes, yes. I would like to know if that game has ever been played once at all.

I doubt it. I doubt. Because a lot of talk about it, a lot of talk about that. As a first year, like, go as a, you know, first year at an all-boys school, and you hear that, you're like, oh my God, I hope that doesn't happen. And then you realise when you leave school, that it was never, it never happened. It's always sort of haunting the back of your mind, like, oh, it's today the day. At Tahotto school, we had to run cross-country past the nudie man's house.

He was an elderly, incredibly well-tanned man who used to garden in a bizarre fluffy loincloth. Everyone was scared of him, but my grandma used to take a meals on wheels, and she said he was actually a very nice man. I reckon grandma and loincloth guy. Yeah, do you know what I mean? Grandma on wheels. Yeah, hello. She was the meals on wheels.

Keep your teens coming in, 9696, your town and your school's urban legends. We are talking about the urban legends in your town. And some of these are wild. So wild. So wild. And so we want to know them. What have you got floating around your town?

Shout out to the dog roll urban legend from Toonga girls. I reckon that's... That's all you need to say. That's all you need to say. You fill in the blanks. You fill in the blanks. I reckon that'd be an urban legend

in a lot of girls' schools too. Yeah. Girl schools are toxic. Is that they... Aren't they? It's crazy. Did you hear? Went to a Catholic girls' school legend

has it that a nun toppled up the top of the tallest building. Oh, like a ghosty. Ghosty story. Avondale primary in Christchurch there was a rumour that magpie stole children and peck their eyes out. And when you were a kid, like, that was pretty scary.

Oh, that's haunted. There were rumours at our school that there were tunnels built in World War II underneath the school. Most people didn't believe it into one of the borders, electrocuted himself and died in the tunnel setting up lights.

Oh. But is that an urban legend? That could be an urban legend. That feels like a second urban legend. You're building a legend on legend. Yeah. Someone said, this isn't an urban legend,

but remember in the 90s when you put half full bottles of water on your lawn and it would stop dogs pooping on it. Someone said, Our town kept doing that for decades after everybody knew it was bullshit. Yeah. Yeah. There's Johnny Bubblegum in Narawahia. Did he eat Swallow bubblegum?

No, he used to eat the dried-up bubble gum off the park benches. Oh, Johnny Bubblegum. Yeah. Johnny Bubblegum, no. Johnny bubble gum. Poor Johnny just probably ate chewing gum and someone said that about him once and now it's a thing. And now Johnny Bubblegum's probably a father of three, you know, had a very successful life. And now eats gum free.

Can afford his own gum. He can afford his own gum because he worked hard and he dragged himself up by the bootstraps. That's our Johnny Bubblegum. Somebody said, following on from the fish and chip shop on the main road that used Yes. Possum said a fish and chip shop

opened in our sub and all of a sudden the wild cat population got taken care of. Oh, that's not. They were putting the cats and the fish and chips. The O'Hawker cow poker. Not going to say anymore. I'll just say that. Yeah.

Okay. At our primary school, among a foe primary, we believed that the Ninja Turtles lived in the big drains on our field. There was a huge crate, so we would spend lunchtime yelling out to the Ninja turtles

to come out. I was actually, people went down, there was a big thing about going down in the pipes looking for the Ninja Turtles when Ninja Turtles first came out. It's crazy because they weren't real. No.

Small town Taranaki, we had an old fellow called Mike, Mike the pole. It was what we called him. He was an old man used to walk around with his walking stick throwing it in there and twirling it like a baton.

Oh, okay. He was a, hoot. Right. But what... Catholic primary school that the devil lived in the P.E. The devil!

That was just the Catholics keeping you in check. Everything to do with being scary and Catholics to keep you in check. If you knocked on a certain part of the P.E. She'd head knocked back. And then you'd go take a peep and you'd see through the door

and see Mary's whose eyes would glow as a sign of the devil. Everybody swore by it. What are you scoffing it? No, so I teach at a high school in Christchurch, our urban legend is that the first principle of the school is buried under the sacred lawn.

The staff fully perpetuate this lie. Reality is we just don't want them destroying that part of the school because it's the entrance. Oh, they want it to look nice. Want it to look nice. Don't disturb the dead. Yeah, but they don't need you putting your snack wrappers all over the lawn. No, get your snacks out of here.

Palmerston North, we had a guy called Naked Pie Man. Oh, yeah. He owned a dairy and sold Nangs. Classic. Naked or... He was famous for having long white hair and never wearing a t-shirt when he was running a store.

Even in the middle of the day in Parmy. Okay. Somehow very tanned body. No shoes or a t-shirt. Well, he never had a t-shirt on. And his shop was nearly open 24 hours a day so I don't know when he did his tanning. When's he doing his tanning?

There's so many. There's so many and yet none of them are true. Yeah. Some people are asking about something we mentioned earlier. Google that on your own time. Oh, so glad rap was banned from our school.

Yeah. And whenever we asked why it was banned, the teachers just say, because. And then there was an urban legend that after you ate your sandwiches, you unwraped your sandwiches, you used the glad rap as a condo. Oh, shut up. So they banned the gland rap,

so kids couldn't be having sex with a glad rap condom. I mean, had a punch. Yeah. The Z&M Podcast Network. Play Z&M's Flesh, One, and Haley. Recap Yesterday if you missed it on the show I finally told Fletch and Haley

that I had given my car to a complete stranger for the weekend A guy called Jaden Messaging me on Instagram Going back a couple of months Been like, do you know anyone that hires out jimneys We do this weekend every year It's like win a wish

And you kind of get to plan It's like a yes day for adults basically People do that with their kids But they're not sick They're not sick They just win a wish because life's for living And I messaged me, do you know anyone that hires out jimneys? It's like my dream car.

And I was like, no, I don't. Why don't you just borrow mine. Hurtz, Avis, National, Alamo, easy. There'll definitely be professional places that do it, not the guy from the radio. So I'm like, eh, just borrow mine. And he's like, what? And I'm like, yeah. And then time goes by.

And I'm like, yeah, sweet. And then he's like, we're staying in Mangare. I was like, sir, I'll drop the car off. Try the keys in the letterbox. You left the keys in the letter box. Like, what? You didn't have this guy's ID. No.

You didn't have anything. other than his Instagram. I just liked his vibe. Insane. I'm pretty good. You've got to admit, I'm a pretty good judge of character. You are?

I meet someone, I'm like, don't like them. But you didn't make them. I know, but I got his vibe. You got his vibe. He didn't even have his phone number. I checked his vibe. Now, how did you get your car back yesterday? He just dropped it off and put the keys in a letter box.

And then I, a friend picked it up. Oh, my God. I got it back though, right? And it's just great news. And then in the back, in the back seat, there's a bottle of Telemore Jew, one of my favourite Irish whiskeys. These Chewback of Star Wars socks. I mean, he knows you.

He doesn't know him. And I don't know him. You don't know him. I'm super almond gold. A super almond gold. Wait, so when a super almond gold is like a big fat almond gold. It's like a big fat almond gold. I didn't know this.

Super almond gold. I mean, they come in a three pack at my 10, which is exclusively wear by my arm and gold. Did you eat the almond gold? I have a card that says thank you so much. Oh, he knows your rainbow too. And then, I'm an ally, and then a whole bunch of polaroids of the chimney on an adventure. Why do you want a photo of a stranger? Why not?

It's a good story. And he wrote your whole thing in the car. Yeah. Using radio station puns. Oh, okay, yeah, right. Thanks to living life on the edge and letting us have more fun. Oh, we don't say that. It was a hits.

Oh, we don't say that. My friends thought that it sounded good. Too good to be true that you rocked and driving it was a breeze. Absolutely magic. There's no Zet M in there. No, and he said, let the marketing team know. know that the ZDM's very hard to work into a plum. Well, what about flavour?

Oh, I don't know. They left a few out. What about Life FM? Or are they anti-Christ? I mean, come on. There's more. I don't know. I don't even know their religious persuasion.

I didn't meet them. So still, to this day, you haven't met this guy. I haven't even talked to them. You've got your car back. You never saw what he looked like. Wait, so we just ditched the car. This is absolutely wild. Yeah.

Did you even speak to him verbally? No. What the hell? I am just absolutely gobsmacked. Well, for the first time, Vaughn, you can speak to the man that used your car over the weekend because we've tracked him down. Jaden joins us.

Good morning, Jaden. Good morning, team. How are we? Go ahead. Listen to that voice. That's a trustworthy voice. I'd lend a guy. That's a trustworthy voice.

He sounds like if the chimney broke down, it'd be all right, it'd sort it out. He'd sorted out. He'd sold it out. He filled it up when he returned it, too. Oh, he'd be it out. I didn't have a full tank when he got it Jaden, were you surprised that

Vaughan lent you his car for the weekend? Oh, I still can't believe it. Like, I tried so many times to give him an out, but he was... We heard. You gave him, like, three outs. I did, yeah. I tried to, like, send him as much info as he wanted. I gave him my IRD number.

He didn't even care about that. I don't know what I had an idea. He was more chill than we were. Why is the chimney you're... Because I've driven Vaughn's Jimmy, before and I needed to get to a doctor's appointment and I was late because it's so slow why is the chimney

such a favoured car of yours I don't know I just my dream car is a bright pink Barbie chimney Of course it matches the sound of your voice Jane and look I'll be honest It's definitely lived up to expectations Wow okay

So you had a fun time in Vaughan's chimney Yeah we had a great time in Vaughan's chimney It was, yeah, we did get it up to 100Ks on the motorway. Oh, nice. But, boy, you can hear it, can't you? Oh, boy, yeah, she's screaming. Help! That's exactly what it sounded like.

There was three of us in it, which was a bit of a squeeze, but we made it work. Yep, okay. And, yeah, we got up there, and it did start smoking a little bit, so you might want to get it checked, but it happened, that was fine. Jesus. It's absolutely wild. I almost feel like, Jaden, you should have robbed him just. You know, to make them learn a lesser. No, because, like, now if we want to borrow it at Christmas time and stuff, you know.

Oh, wait, wow. Now you're coming back to boring. Good. I should just run a rental company. The only thing is just leave some surprises in the back seat for me. Yeah. So these socks are awesome. Like, you leave, almond, super gold, and it's all good stuff.

You've ticked out. A bottle of whiskey. You got worn a great care package, Jaden. You've really nailed that. Yeah. Well, I felt like he needed it. because, yeah, I mean, it's wild. Yeah.

It is wild. Someone just messaged, though. Anytime you're in town, mate. Told you guys, love and faith. This was the person who messaged yesterday. Love and faith. Well done, Vaughn. Maybe the world isn't as shit as we think.

And if you give people the chance to be good, that they might surprise you. You know? Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Or they might rob you and take your car. You'll never hear from them again.

Rob your chimney, yeah. Not this time, but maybe next time. I do want to just say, though, like, he wasn't our first, like, we didn't just think, oh, well, message, for. We did try rental companies and nobody rents out gymnas. Oh, really? They're a stupid

car. Because they're dumb A.F. Like, you'd pick it up from the airport and go to put your bags in the back and be like, oh, shit, because there's no room. There's no room. Chuck them on the roof on. People came back and said, do you want a Suzuki Swift? I'm like, that's not the same thing.

No. No, no, no. No. 19-year-old girl on the way to course. Yeah, that's a course car. Yeah, it's a course. Jayden, thank you for speaking to us this morning. Thank you for looking after Vaughn's Pride and Joy. No, thank you very much.

Thank you. And you'll be a return customer, Jaden. You're going to sort of hit up the dates of new years and whatnot and see if it's available again. Yeah, absolutely. Five stars, Google Review, definitely Wood's, you know, Wood trade again. Oh, yeah, you're great. Yeah, fantastic.

I love that, that's so good. Jaden, thank you next on the show. Somebody actually messaged in, Vaughan lent his car to a perfect strange for the whole weekend, no questions asked. Yesterday I saw Fletch on a lime skier and I said, Fletch, Fletch, and he didn't even look. Wow.

I didn't hear, to be honest. You're such a piece of shit. Wow. He was hit down. He was not even going to the fan the time of day. Haley knows how fast I go on those. I don't hear anything. He does Hone.

He goes faster than the bloody gym now. And he'll take a wife. Play. Play. Z.N. Fletch, Vaughan and Haley. Do you remember, a couple of days ago, I was looking for a package in the mail room

and I was like where is this package? I ordered some tops from a fitness brand because I need some workout tops and I looked at the delivery thing and I was like it was delivered a month ago it was like the 18th of September and it was signed off by our receptionist

and then our mail will go into the mail room and you go and you collect it and I was like I've been waiting and waiting for this order and then I just went and looked and said oh my okay it was a month ago went into the mail room, nothing, it was gone. And then I started saying, like, gosh, someone's taken it or it's slipped. I was looking through all the shelves and everything like that.

Did you see Haley was looking at the staff meeting what everyone was wearing? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was like, who's got a Lorna Jane sweat top on? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Who's got there? I had my Lorna Jane tights in the sweatshers earlier. No, but I didn't, I know you've already got your Lorna Jane leggings. Yes. And I know those are yours.

Yes. Yeah, because they've got the peeling between the thighs. Yeah, because of the rub. And also the gap, it's kind of starting to, you probably need new, Lorna Jains. Yeah, you're on a chance. Yeah. Because when you squat, I'm starting to see the panties.

Oh, like it's thinning out a little bit. It's thinning out. Yeah. Okay. Quite a bit. Well, I'm going to wait for a Black Friday sale. Totally, totally. Oh my body now. When's Black Friday sales? Like real soon, eh?

Soonish. Good. Soonish is a laterish. Soon as mid to late November. Well, I was like, God, where is it? I couldn't find it. It was gone. And I just thought it's must, it's been lost in translation. And producer Carwin's had a package delivered before and that's

it's upset. It was delivered. It was missing. and I was like, oh my God. And I went and I looked at the invoice and I was like, this is actually like quite a bit. Like I'd spent like 150 bucks or something. Wait, you didn't do that thing that I did

when I accused everyone of stealing it. And then when I got home, it was at my home address. Oh, no, you're working. No, no, no, no, no. Because at my house, it's like front door. Like, it's not hidden. Yours is a bit confusing because of the apartment. When I was fitting your cat, I did notice

that your courier just leaves it right on the front door. You can see it from the street. Yeah. But I live in a nice community. You know what I mean? Like my neighbour will, my neighbour will. No, your community. The community's got...

It's a bit rough. It's got its... In my community is a gang of young men that drive around on mobility scooters and play music quite loud. It's really weird. Mobility scooters? Yeah, like old people mobiles.

But they're young people. Yeah, they'll be in their 20s and they've got American flags on them and they like right around the streets like blasting music. Oh, they've got a U-E boom? Yeah, yeah, it's really weird. Interesting. So maybe I should ask them to put it on the back porch.

Anyway, so I was just, I was frustrated and I wanted this thing. And I've written it off. in my head and I was like that sucks you know 150 bucks wasted and then this morning I was getting ready to um for my day and I was putting together my gym gear and I went into my gym uh gear drawer and it's like all in there folded and like I've had it already like I have received the package taken it home taking the tags off folded them and put them in the drawer and I have no memory of it remember even getting them.

No. Jeez. Okay, that is I've never done that. How bad is that? I'll forget things. I'll forget things but not that. Like, I've been waiting for a package that I have received and put into my life. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You've integrated that into your... Because I went to go

grab a top and there was the Lorna Jane new one that I haven't worn and it was all folded up and like I had consciously done that. No memory. I've lost a day. Like I've lost an afternoon along the way. It is. It's the wise card all over again You did this when your wise can't got delivered

And you're like, Who hasn't come? It hasn't come And it was in your wallet It was in my wallet with a pin number all set up And ready to come Yeah, yeah, yeah. What is that? I mean early mornings fry the brain

I was reading like stress Just makes your brain not If you can just do something on autopilot It's like I'll take care of that Don't dwell on that I'll take care of it And your brain does it but never like locks in That it happens

Yeah, it doesn't record it into your memory. Apparently, stress can just fry your shirt ability to form short-term members. Someone did message saying, am I going to say and as Haley told this story before? No, that was the wise card.

Where is it? It's not arriving before I'm going overseas. Yeah. And it was. It already set up. And sleep. I think it's like a sleep.

Sleep, stress. I'll get some sleep. I'll get some sleep on our friendship. We'll go on a friendship holiday to have fun together and I'll sleep the entire time. What good company? That actually doesn't sound bad.

It's like delicious. The Fletchborn and Haley, big pod. Fact of the Day, Day, Day, Day, Day, Day. Do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do. It's rhubarb week here at Fact of the Day. Sure is, ma'am. It's a short week for us. We're taking Thursday off because we're school teachers.

So after our industrial action on Thursday, we will be having a teacher's only day Friday. We'll see you Tuesday. We're not taking a dig at the teachers. I support everybody that's striking. Yeah, I do too. Nurses, fire peoples, teachers, you all deserve it.

Cutting your apple there, you're right? Just while you do back to the room, can you hear how loud that is? Well, let me tell you about rhubarb today is rhubarb week, a fact of the day. And is one of them going to be, that's what the extra say on the movies? Background.

Rubarb rubarb. Nah, that was going to be a, tomorrow I was just going to hit you with a compilation of rhubarb facts. A slew of rhuboury. A slurry of facts about rhubarb and that was going to be one of them. But, yeah, we can talk about that more tomorrow. I want to tell you about when rhubarb costs more than opium. Excuse you.

Excuse me indeed. How much is opium costs? I don't know if rhubarb fact of the day is excessive. It's not calendar week though. It's, well, you keep saying that, and I'm going to bring calendar week back without a doubt. Well, you do have to make amends for sure. Well, your nana's rhubarb,

Latisha's rhubarb thriving. Yes, thank God, because I nearly ended it after her death in 2011. My parents left their house and pulled the rhub out and gave it to me for the time that they were overseas and I killed it and Vaughn saved it. It's back. It's got four big leaves and I'm expecting some yummy stems. But it is the root of the rhubub that was.

the most expensive part of the rhubarb being more sought after and more expensive than opium. Now this was back in the 1700s where opium was kind of like oh you've got a headache, smoke some of this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, lovely, it feels so much better.

And you'd be like, man, need some more of that headache smoke. And then you'd become an opium addict and life with spiral. I can't wait to see in another couple of hundred years what now's opium is. Vaping. Yeah, but we kind of know that's not great.

What about the 2000s when all the housewives were on those? BZP, the diet pills. That was nuts. And it was the same active ingredient as the party pills, the BZP. Yeah. And it was... That's P. Yeah, it was... That was insane.

Wigging them all out. Well, in the 18th century, dried rhubarb root was very, very valuable as it was used to treat everything from fevers to stomach cakes to plague symptoms to melancholy. Melancholy. Feeling a little melancholy. They'd dry the root. They'd smash it up, powder it up. you'd take it. And it was also how

they described it as a perjure. Now that means you would take the rhubarb root and then violently shit! Oh shit, I thought you're going to say vom. No, not vom. It would just blow straight through you. A horrendous diuretic but people often didn't feel well

and they'd have a system clean out and they'd feel a little bit better. Right. Tried rhubarb root was so valuable. It sold for 10 times the price of opium more than gold per weight and was the most secure item in apothecaries. Because they didn't want people steal.

All in gold. Yeah. One British merchant in the 1770s wrote that a pound of the finest rhubarb from China cost near a guinea. More than the same weight as gold. Did they pay with guinea pigs? That's insane currency.

Because they scurry. But also, like, that's the cutest money ever. Guinea pigs are cute. I don't want to own one. No, neither. But I don't want to know some of the dogs. Imagine owning your person and you've got five guineas. And they're little.

They're real little. The price is four and a half guineas and you're like, sorry, one of you's getting cut in half. Yeah. I imagine there'd be some, like, health issues. Like, you know, you go to McDonald's pay for your quarter pound of combo with like two guinea pigs. Yeah, and then they're scurrying around the back of non-olds. Yeah, before they can get them in the cash register. You get in the cash register, cage register.

Oh. And they've got the cash register's got one of those little things that come down and they look at it for the water. Should we get a guinea pig for the shop? No. Okay. No. No. So rhubarb traveled the silk route as well.

You know, the silk route up through Asia? No one's knowing what the silk route is. The silk route, of course. The silk route from Asia, up through India, up to Europe. It was where they would trade their silks. And it would also be how they transported drugs. Like the opium to Europe. We know the silk route.

So rhubarb also went along the silk route, established itself along the way. And people turned it from what was primarily a medicine and into the culinary rhubarb we know today with the thicker stalk. Wow. It's heading towards calendar week, this, but carry on, Vaughan. I never thought we had such lows again.

Luckily, we are away from Thursday. Okay, I'm going to save the origins of the term rhubarb for tomorrow. Thank you. Stay tuned. I don't know. You've got me a slurry of rhubarb facts tomorrow. Gosh, isn't rhubarb delicious. I'm staying tuned only because it's my job.

Today's fact of the day. for rhubarb week is rhubarb once cost more than gold. Fact of the day, day, day, day, day, do do do do do do, do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do. The ZN podcast network. Play ZN's fleshed one and haley. I'm locking in some interest rates for my Morgiage at the moment.

and so I was on the... I'm about to lock in a rate for a mortgage. Yeah. But I'm waiting. I've been waiting. Didn't we have another? Yeah, we do, but then we're going to have a loop. This is the same guy that was waiting for it to go from two to minus two.

I wanted to be paid to have a mortgage. And then it went to seven or eight. I wanted the economy to tank so badly. I was being paid to have a mortgage. Yeah, no, no, no. I think we're like nearly there and I just don't want to be floating around for long. Let's not be greedy this time, people. No, no, no, no. I'm locking in.

Dude, imagine. Imagine not being a greedy guts. I'm greedy in every hour. I'm a little greedy guts. When I get enough, I say more, more, more. 2.15% I said, for five years, no. What an idiot! We learn, don't we?

No. That's the good thing about being dumb. You don't learn. You don't learn. You just keep me in the same mistakes. You just repeat the same mistakes over and over. Until you die. Well, I'm locking mine down.

I've been waiting and I'm happy with the often. I was talking to the bank manager about it and we're bandying back and forth different structures and whatnot to split up the whopper of the mortgage that I carry and I said to her and I was like, oh can I just, I'm just going to review this with my financial advisor, brackets

mum, brackets, and then I will lock in tomorrow morning with you to confirm, appreciate all of this information from you, XX, X, X. Oh, geez. I beg your pardon.

You don't say XXX to a bank person? on the email. Kisses, kisses, kisses, kisses. Yeah. Because that's what it means, right? X-O-X-O, kisses cuddles, kisses, cuddles. Only sometimes it's ironic. You could be like, X-O-X.

Like, every now and then, if it's someone like I'm familiar with, like say my agent who, like I deal with a lot, every now they'll be like, thanks so much for this, and I'll go X. Yeah. And I started to think the other day, I was like, maybe this getting a little bit inappropriate, but I think X, X, X, X, X, to your bank manager. Yeah, that's, um, inappropriate.

It's a little bit inappropriate. And it was just a knee-jerk thing, boom, gone. Yeah. Now she hasn't responded in saying, I love you too, or I didn't know you felt this way, or when can kind of cash in on these kisses. Yeah.

But it's, I think I was accidentally inappropriate. And I know this happens because sometimes it's just, you don't mean to be. My God, have you ever hung up the phone and said, love you? Love you. Yeah. Yeah, all right, catch later. And I'm just talking to someone at a call center.

I bet if people working in call centers, I bet people accidentally say that all the time. Well, this is what I want to know. When were you accidentally inappropriate to someone? or when was someone accidentally inappropriate to you? And it's not being inappropriate consciously. It's when it just sort of slips out or you make a mistake or you say something that you absolutely should have

or you call your teacher mum. You say I love you. Oh, it was always great when someone accidentally called the teacher mum. Yes. Dude, they wore it, eh? They wore it. And so they should have. Like, you know, they were up there with the pantswitters.

Yeah, they were. And all the criers. But you knew where it came from because they were. or maybe being yelled at or something, and it was like Mom was telling you off. Sorry, Mom, it was just a reflex. Thanks, Mom. Like, it's just something you say so often.

I like how the only interactions you had with your mum was when she was either yelling at you or your eyes. Wasn't I the teacher did something really nice in your reaction. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it was always the teachers yelling at me. And Mum yelling at me. Okay, 0800, Diles at M is the number. Give us a call.

You can text through 9-6-96. When were you accidentally inappropriate to someone? When you were accidentally inappropriate. Yeah, I just signed off an email to my bank manager, X, X, X. Too many X's. Too many kisses for the person that works at the bank. Yeah, it is to way too many kisses. You know what I mean?

Unless see your partner. And then it's okay. Or unless she was going to give me better interest for us. Jordy, when were you accidentally inappropriate? My mum would you drop me off at school for 13 years and then obviously to work as well. Every time I would go out of the car, I'd say, thanks, Mom, love you, and I'd lean over and give her a kiss on the cheek. Yep.

I'd hop out of the car and go off to school of work. And then one day I was having a driving lesson, and it was my first ever driving lesson in a different car. And the guy dropped me off at home, and I went, thanks, love you, and I leaned over, and I gave me a kiss on the cheek. Oh, my goodness. You went a whole way. I did.

I didn't even realize. I was just like muscle memory. And then was there a whole way? moment when you did realize what you'd just done? Like I got to the door and I was like, oh God, I just did that. You just kissed him. And now I guess you've got to get a new driving lesson

instructor guy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, Jordy, wow, that's so good. Thank you. Love you bye. Love you bye. Keri, when were you accidentally inappropriate? Oh, well, when the kids were little, we used to have this game if they said, and guess what, I'd say, I love you and they'd go, no

mom. And I'd say, oh, you don't love me and then it would, you know, all create a bit of a love. And of course that was great at home But when it was I walked into the boss's One day Boss's office one day Carrying stuff

And he said Guess what And I just said I love you And there was this dead saying Oh No No

Oh my God I'm so embarrassed for you Oh Guess what I love you So good And then did you Explain it to him

And it just made it worse Yeah Yeah And he did know The family and things But I mean He still He carried that for a while

It's just saying Guess what And I'm looking at So So good. So good, Kerry. Thank you. Some messages in.

My manager said her hair was dirty once and without thinking I just blurted out, yeah, you look like a dirty bitch. And just died. Yeah, you do look like a dirty bitch. Just died. Oh, God. I once said, so what is your wife wearing in the middle of a 1-1-1 call as a caretaker? When asking for a description.

In hindsight, the couple stopped arguing and the husband should look at me for asking that apparently I asked it sleazily. So what's your wife wearing? So what's your wife hearing? Describe it to me in great detail. Does she? No, because I need to know for my job. I was signing the contract to have some electrician work done.

Struggle with that word. Good boy, yeah. The young guy showing me where to sign said, it's just the usual T's and A's. And I laughed because it's T's and C's. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Tiz and A's nice. Yeah, and I laughed and he turned bright red and he said, I'm so sorry about that. It was on his mind.

I work as a vet. Listen, I work as a vet. I wasn't inappropriate. An owner was inappropriate. I was being my normal bubbly self. And as the owner left, she said, I'm picking up what you're putting down, stroked her hand down my arm,

winked and walked out of the console. I'm looking at what you're putting down, my bubbly personality. That's not an accident. That's not accidentally being inappropriate. That's being inappropriate. Very outwardly. Oh, another podcast in the bag.

The plastic bag. Are they back? No, no. Still banned. Okay. They never left. That's where you come in with the line boy. Boy, man.

And if you enjoyed that... Okay. Oh, and if you enjoyed it, give us a rating and a review and be sure to tell all of your friends. God, I need some sleep. Play ZIMS Fletchhorn and Haley.