ZM's Fletch, Vaughan & Hayley - ZM's Fletch, Vaughan & Megan Best Of 2019 Podcast - Am I A Bad Person

Episode Date: December 18, 2019

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Starting point is 00:00:00 ZM's Fleshborn American, the best Am I a Bad Person podcast. Am I a Bad Person? Am I a Bad Person? If you're new to the show, it's a segment where we take a look at somebody's predicament, their problem, and we all put in our two cents. Yeah. And as a nation, yeah, decide which way to go. Sometimes I say, here's my five cents.
Starting point is 00:00:27 Keep the change. You're a big fan of Swedish rounding, though. Massive fan. But then it would be rounded down to zero cents from two cents. Sure. If you're going to quote Swedish rounding, mate, know what it is. But you're not walking out of the store with something for free. Yes, I am.
Starting point is 00:00:45 Because they chose Swedish rounding and also listed something for two cents. Okay, this is from a guy. Okay. And anonymous, of course. And this is great because I've been in this situation. Yeah. Okay. Hey, guys, I need help.
Starting point is 00:01:00 Am I a bad person? I'm at the gym a lot. And I'm always pretty focused on what I'm help. Am I a bad person? I'm at the gym a lot and I'm always pretty focused on what I'm doing. The gym I go to has men and women working out in the same area, which is not the issue at all. But yesterday there was a female at the gym who was wearing very little. I don't even feel comfortable describing what she was wearing without being disrespectful and I don't want it to seem like I was staring at her, but the outfit was tight and tiny. She was there with her boyfriend and I was quite uncomfortable around her and I could tell the other guys there didn't know what to do either.
Starting point is 00:01:31 I didn't want to look in her direction and I didn't want to be near her. I know she doesn't have to dress according to what makes me feel comfortable and honestly I'm not that type of guy, but is there some places, are there some places, where there should be a dress code in place for the sake of everyone there? I guess I want to know if I'm a bad person for thinking there should be a suitable attire for the gym or do I just remove myself from the situation?
Starting point is 00:02:00 Because you don't want to be in that situation where you look like you're working out next to someone just because you want to have a perv at them, eh? Yeah. Or even have them in your line of sight. But then at the same time, they can wear whatever they want. Exactly. But then I don't even feel comfortable commenting.
Starting point is 00:02:19 But then they've felt so uncomfortable, they need to say something about this. Look, I'll speak on behalf of sexy people. I feel adequately. We are so lucky you're here to represent the sexy people. No, that's actually not a problem. I can only speak for the ones whose ideals light up with me. I'm there to be looked at.
Starting point is 00:02:38 Right. That's what you want. I'm there to be complimented. Call me old fashioned, but I still like being wolf whistled at when I walk past a construction site. Do you? Okay. That's who you want. I'm there to be complimented. Call me old-fashioned, but I still like being wolf-whistled at when I walk past a construction site. Do you? Okay. That's who I am. Now, I can't speak for everybody, but I speak for some.
Starting point is 00:02:51 Yeah, right. Surely. I don't like being wolf-whistled at. Well, I was being sarcastic there. But what do you think? Was I? What do you think? Because you go to the gym in the morning when no one's there.
Starting point is 00:03:04 No one's there. Me and a guy that we've got an agreement with, we just go, oh, yeah, morning, then we don't talk again. Oh, that's good. See, because as a female, I totally agree with his, like what he said, that he doesn't get to dictate what she wears. But in the same token, he's saying he's uncomfortable. So, like, I don't think anyone should be able to make anyone
Starting point is 00:03:24 feel uncomfortable in a public setting, you know? But he's uncomfortable because he doesn't want to be Labelled a perv, right? Labelled a perv or like,
Starting point is 00:03:32 he's next to her working out. Yeah. He doesn't want people to look at him and think, oh, you're a perv because you're working out next to the hot girl wearing little to nothing.
Starting point is 00:03:41 Should the dress code be there just so everyone's comfortable in the situation? But what would the dress code be there just so everyone's comfortable in the situation? But what would the dress code be? I don't know. No white shoes. I don't know what the answer is.
Starting point is 00:03:50 They're wearing active wear. They're just not wearing a lot of it. Yeah. Like, what if I was working out at the gym in my Borat bikini? Well, that's what I was going to say. And, you know, had some balls poking up the side. That's what I was going to say. Is if, say, a guy was there and, like,
Starting point is 00:04:06 you know how you get skins and some guys don't wear shorts over top? Oh, you can see some bulge. And, like, maybe no shirt. You know, like, just skins and no shirt. Like, that would kind of be inappropriate, right? I've always wondered what a gym's policy would be on no shirt. Say you're on the treadmill.
Starting point is 00:04:20 I know, I know. I think you've got to wear a shirt because it's a hygiene thing. I've never seen guys, like, topless at the gym walking around because you've got to wear a shirt because it's a hygiene thing. I've never seen guys like topless at the gym walking around because you've got to wear a T-shirt. Yeah. Because you can't be like on the benches like sweating all over. But see, where does like a crop top become,
Starting point is 00:04:36 like is that enough coverage? Is that a T-shirt? But then, what's a crop top? Like a sports bra. Yeah, yeah. Right, right, right. I don't know the answer I'm just literally
Starting point is 00:04:46 Putting it out there Wear what you want That's fine But I guess it's just Some people are just Feeling a bit uncomfortable By that Yeah
Starting point is 00:04:53 Not because you look bad in it Just because they don't Want to be labelled Because this is so interesting Somebody messaged in Most gyms do have a dress code But it's not like Enforced strictly Until someone says to someone that works at the gym,
Starting point is 00:05:10 I feel uncomfortable. I feel uncomfortable with that person's lack of clothing. And this can be for guys or girls. But what is the dress code? What would the normal gym... Like, would a sports bra be okay? I don't know. And then where do you draw the line between sports bra and then crop top?
Starting point is 00:05:23 Because some of them are, you know, like... Okay, so then some dress codes they said are for... Somebody else said are for hygiene reasons because if she's wearing a crop top and boots shorts... Booty shorts. Yeah, maybe that was an autocorrect. Booty shorts. Then the sweat's going to get way more all over the machines
Starting point is 00:05:39 and other people and that's gross. Same for shirtless guys. Their main reason is hygiene. So we want to know this morning, 0800 DARZATM 9696 text in, is this guy a bad person? Is he a bad person for thinking there should be suitable attire for the gym?
Starting point is 00:05:53 What do you think? But then maybe let's also hear from those people that do wear very little to the gym. Yeah, I mean, I'm jealous because I'd love to be able to wear that. Sure, yeah. But do you think you should have to cover up? You can wear that.
Starting point is 00:06:06 Then. Oh, bless. You don't have to. You wear whatever you want. Bless your sweater. Except those when you had those imitation shape-ups. Don't wear those. We pretend that never happened.
Starting point is 00:06:18 It was a blip on the radar. This literally happened to me a few weeks ago, and you could see how awkward it was. There's lots of even females texting in that, I mean, she can wear whatever she wants, for sure. Yeah. But if people are feeling uncomfortable, like, I don't know. Because they don't want to be labelled a perv when they're not, maybe. And I tell you what, there are a lot of calls and text messages.
Starting point is 00:06:41 We'll start with Kieran. Kieran, what do you think? Is he a bad person? Yeah, I think that it's a good thing to have girls wearing next to nothing at gyms. Just being a builder in Christchurch on building sites, if there was a female tradie on site, it made all the guys kind of work harder to try and impress her.
Starting point is 00:07:00 Kieran, are you calling from the 1960s? No, no. No, it's the new way to, it's the new wolf whistle, a work ethic. Yeah, I think it is. It's good motivation. Like, if that guy's having a hard time with her wearing next to nothing, then maybe he should change gyms. But he doesn't want to be seen to be gawking at her.
Starting point is 00:07:21 Yeah, but, like, just make it fun and, like, you know, just start pumping weights and look at her and, like... That's exactly what he doesn't want to do. Right, OK. Kieran, well, you're entitled to your opinion. Thank you, Kieran. All good. Courtney, what do you think?
Starting point is 00:07:37 Is he a bad person? No, not at all. She needs to wear clothes. I'm sorry, girls are, like, taking the mickey now. That's, like, being allowed to wear clothes. I'm sorry, girls are like taking the mickey now. That's like being allowed to wear what they want. So there's, I guess there is
Starting point is 00:07:49 somewhat of a double standard argument there because essentially what a lot of people wear could be akin to underwear. And guys don't wear
Starting point is 00:07:58 underwear to the gym. No, it's like that Kimmy Hember or whatever her name is. You see her photos or videos on Instagram and you're like, what are you even wearing? Yeah, right. But if it's like that Kimmy Hember or whatever her name is. You see her photos or videos on Instagram, you're like, what are you even wearing?
Starting point is 00:08:07 Yeah, right. But if it's private on Instagram, I feel like that's different, you know? Yeah, because you're choosing to... You followed them. Oh, yeah, for sure. I think that's different. Somebody said... People are just like, they've got this, like,
Starting point is 00:08:19 obviously, you know, it's not, you can take that to a whole completely different context, but if you're at the gym, you're in public, don't, you know, don't wear stuff like that. Right. Just to be suitable. Too revealing, yeah, for sure. Somebody said they didn't know it was inappropriate. They used to wear a crop top to the gym until their boobie fell out on the school board.
Starting point is 00:08:39 Oh, no. Oh, no. Imagine if you, like, one just fell in the bottom. I know. I feel bad for him. Courtney, thanks for your call. Lauren, what do you think? Is he a bad person?
Starting point is 00:08:53 No, I don't think so at all. And I think what we're missing here is, I guess, the level of support that the crop top's giving because I've got a similar situation at my gym where a guy goes with a girlfriend and she wears, like, this boob tube that basically when she just walks, like her boobs bounce. And I find it quite, not really uncomfortable. I mean, you look at her and it's kind of hard not to look.
Starting point is 00:09:13 But then all she does is a few squats and maybe a few sit-ups and buggers off. So you can tell she's only there for the attention. Yeah, right. You know? So I think, you know. A boob tube doesn't have any support. So I just. Exactly. That have any support so like I just exactly so I just don't think
Starting point is 00:09:27 that he's a bad person for thinking this at all and obviously if you're a guy holy shit you're probably going to get turned on oh sorry
Starting point is 00:09:33 if I'm allowed to say but you know you probably would get turned on because hey it is it's really like quite you know
Starting point is 00:09:39 nice to see in some cases you don't want to stiffy on the rhyme machine though I think of all the exercise equipment that'd be the worst one to get one on You don't want a stiffy on the rhyme machine though. I think of all the exercises, that would be the worst one to get one on. Wouldn't it?
Starting point is 00:09:52 The rhyme machine. There's no talking on the rhyme machine. Lauren, thanks. Amy, what do you think? Is he a bad person? No. For me, I often wear a crop top to the gym. Okay. In fact, I'm actually in the gym car park now,
Starting point is 00:10:06 just about to start my workout. No, you tried your best. You got to the car park. That's good enough for the day. Did you get a park? Yeah, oh, it sucks when you find a park. Then you have to go. You're going to be late if you actually go in.
Starting point is 00:10:18 So just go to work. And you're on your way and the rain stops. You're like, oh, come on. Yeah. So you've never had a problem with anyone feeling uncomfortable or saying anything? No, because for me, I'm so focused on myself. I don't give a shit what anyone else thinks, you know? I'm so, I need to work hard.
Starting point is 00:10:34 And like, to be honest, I spend like an hour on the stepper, then I just wait. And by the time I'm finished the stepper, I'm dripping. I can't, yeah. Yeah, I'm crazy. It's a hard argument because you should be able to wear whatever you want and we shouldn't tell you what to wear. But then at the same time, people are feeling uncomfortable because they don't want to be labelled perverts.
Starting point is 00:10:52 So it's such a hard argument, isn't it? Yeah, but you can wear anything you want, but you're not going to go to, like, a cocktail party in a bikini. You know what I mean? There's always, like, certain elements of dress attire that's suitable. What about this, Amy? If, say, for example, Vaughan was in his speedos
Starting point is 00:11:07 and a singlet. A really tight singlet or a crop top. How would you feel looking at that? I wouldn't. I'd just walk away. You bitch. I'm working hard. I'm sorry. I dress like this.
Starting point is 00:11:22 What about if it's in your face, Amy? It's jiggling about. Oh. While he's doing some skits. I have actually seen dudes wear, like, you know, rugby shorts with no undies under it. Oh, my God. You know?
Starting point is 00:11:35 Really? What? Jiggling? I've got a big crease. So even girls in shorts, and you can see out their shorts, you know, like, you do see that at the gym. But I am doing my own thing. And grey sweatpants.
Starting point is 00:11:44 Grey sweatpants. You are totally right, too, if you're am doing my own thing. And grey sweatpants. Grey sweatpants. You are totally right, too, if you're focused on your own biz. Thanks, Amy. Somebody messaged in saying about, someone just said, I've seen a male's balls. That's all they said. She's an appropriation gallery.
Starting point is 00:11:59 Stop. Somebody said, what about grey sweatpants? And I've got no idea. I said, what are you talking about? They said the grey sweatpants? And I've got no idea. I said, what are you talking about? They said the grey sweatpants challenge. So if you wear greys, as a person, when I exercise, my penis packs in and goes home. It's just like, I'll wait for you in the car. Yeah, it's like a turtle into its shell.
Starting point is 00:12:18 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let me know when we're hitting the showers. I'll make a reappearance under a tip in water. That sort of thing. Wake me up when September ends. Yeah. Wake me up when the cardio ends. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:12:31 But apparently, so you wear grey sweatpants, undies optional, and it's showing off your member. Well, yeah, there's not much left to the imagination. I mean, you should do a little.
Starting point is 00:12:41 Imagination's my best friend, can I say. If I leave nothing to the imagination, there's not much left. Yeah. So, yeah. But that's for another, a whole other am I a bad person for wearing grey sweatpants. But what would you say if we had to. What would you say, Vaughan?
Starting point is 00:12:57 It is divided. Pretty divided. 50-50. Yeah, just kind of like some people saying that they really don't think about other people when they're at the gym. And some other people saying if there is something that catches their eye, they can't stop looking back. Right. But then that's more on them than the person. But then the most common response about it is most gyms have a dress code.
Starting point is 00:13:23 And if you think somebody is breaking it or breaching it, you can ask the gym, and they, health and safety, and there is a dress code. So you mean I can actually probably finally press that silent call button that they have on the wall? In the toilet. I think that's if you fall off the toilet. No, it's everywhere.
Starting point is 00:13:38 They're all over my gym. You just press it, and they come to you. That's if you're in trouble, in duress. I thought that was after hours when there was nobody else there. And if you're by yourself, you take one in case you're doing bench presses and you drop her on your throat. You don't like, call it. No, it's just always a red button, always on a presser.
Starting point is 00:13:53 Yes, Mr Fletcher, can I have a glass of cold water, please? It doesn't work like that. Do they do that? Yes, Mr Fletcher. I saw some balls. Do something about it. I've got anxiety about unleashing the crazy that's about to happen. Just like this is going to be a first debate.
Starting point is 00:14:13 And let's just all remember these are real people. Megan's fired up about this. Oh, I'm just, I just, yeah, okay. Should I read it? Yep. Okay, so this was an Instagram DM. Yes. It's from a guy.
Starting point is 00:14:30 Am I a bad person? Please help. I have no idea how to even put this or write this without sounding like a tool. Me and my girlfriend have been together for a while. When we first got together, she was super healthy and lean. With time together, she put on a few noticeable KGs. Wow. and lean with me as Summer is approaching very fast and would love for us to have that together. Wow. If so, how do I tell her or approach the situation?
Starting point is 00:15:13 How about that line where he said, Summer's coming up. And then he said he wants us to have this together. And it made it sound like he just wants to have someone to parade around. And it totally wasn't at all about affecting the sex life other than the vanity issue. He wants to look good with this girl.
Starting point is 00:15:29 Right. Yeah, wow. Like, wow. I mean, doesn't everyone put on a couple of kgs? Over winter? We're hibernating. No, it's all just getting older. And he's been with her for a while,
Starting point is 00:15:44 so that's just just getting older. And he's been with her for a while. So that's just what humans do. So my, I totally get there's going to be people being like, you know, you've got to be healthy and stuff. But like if we're talking a couple of kgs. Also, if you love someone, I genuinely don't think you notice when they fluctuate a few. Well, because you see them every day. You see them every day. so you don't notice.
Starting point is 00:16:06 Yeah, because there's been times when my husband's like, oh, I've put on like five kgs. I'm like, I have not even noticed. And like, I do not even care whether he would be like heavier or cuddlier or whether he was slender. Because you love that person, you know? A bit more coosh for the poosh. Yes.
Starting point is 00:16:27 Well, it makes being a little spoon a lot more comfortable, doesn't it? It's just a softer and a more enjoyable experience. It is. This is how I sell it. Yeah. I just think that maybe he doesn't, maybe he likes her, but I don't know if that's genuine love. Because I would never
Starting point is 00:16:45 write that about I would never write that about my husband. Yeah. Ever. Yeah. I don't know if that's love man. If you're genuinely worried
Starting point is 00:16:54 about somebody's health if it was a health issue I can understand and you're not a bad person for worrying about your loved one's health. Because you want them to be there forever
Starting point is 00:17:03 don't you? As long as possible. But if the line comes out of your mouth or is typed saying summer's coming up and I want her to be lean so we can have this together, indicating that you want her
Starting point is 00:17:17 to look as good in a bikini as she did a couple of summers ago, that's weird. That is weird. That's a bad person. Because he said a couple of kgs. It's not like he said like 20. Put on a few noticeable kgs. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:17:33 Yeah. And you might be then worried about her health, as you say. Yeah. But that's just what people do. She's put them all on in her feet. And she can't get her shoes on. And then he's concerned he can't wear shoes. And he's like, yeah, I bought you these Haviana Jandals
Starting point is 00:17:47 and they don't fit anymore. She's wrapping around in gumboot feet. But then a lot of people do think that they have this, I guess, need to be fit and healthy for their partner. There are people out there, you know, those fitspo couples that are hard out. And that's like there's a fair bit of insecurity there
Starting point is 00:18:08 for a long term relationship. I can understand wanting to look the best for your partner but not. But fitspo couples, that's a hobby too. Like you both got similar interests. And you're really annoying. And no one else cares. So let's take some calls. 0800 DALES at M9696.
Starting point is 00:18:23 Oh my god. I'm just like shocked at the text I think you will be surprised. I don't think this will be as cut and dry as you think Megan. I think you're expecting
Starting point is 00:18:34 everyone to say he's a bad person. I don't think you're going to find that No. People, everybody agrees with you. Maybe you've been
Starting point is 00:18:40 in this situation you've had this where your partner has said this to you. Somebody just messaged into the studio saying that they know their partner follows us on social media and he just
Starting point is 00:18:51 jumped in the shower. They've gone through his DMs on the gram and he has not messaged us. She's very, very happy. There'll be so many girls thinking that right now. She's going to be leaving the show temporarily to go and have a shower with him. Oh, okay, lovely. Oh, that's nice. He's going to be leaving the show temporarily to go and have a shower with him. Oh, okay, lovely. Oh, that's nice.
Starting point is 00:19:07 He's going to be like, what happened? What did I do? What's going on? He can thank us later. Yeah. You're not in trouble for something you didn't do. Fuel. Great.
Starting point is 00:19:18 You'll be back in the dog box tomorrow when she has a bad dream about you. Yes. That's not fair because it feels real. So wow, your text messages and calls. Is he a bad person? It's closer than I would have thought. I've got the poll result in a second. The basic story is he says that she's put on
Starting point is 00:19:38 a couple of noticeable KGs. Yeah. And some are coming up. Yep. And then we read between the lines and he just wants her to look as good as she did two summers ago. Yeah. Some text messages in. He is a bad person. How effing shallow.
Starting point is 00:19:58 You don't love someone because they're a certain number on the scales. You love them because you love them for who they are. Okay. Somebody else said, he seems really preoccupied with this. He does. If it's this much of a problem, you know, as they get older,
Starting point is 00:20:16 and if he goes bald, is she allowed to leave him? Oh, that's a good one because Sade didn't leave you, did she? No, but it was like a hot mess when she bought it. She knew she had a bit of reno to do.
Starting point is 00:20:28 She knew the wags were coming through the floorboards. The carpet was rough so she pulled it off and she's happy with the hardwood floor.
Starting point is 00:20:35 Thanks flooring first or whatever it is called. Let's take some calls Alaska. We'll hear from both sides. What do you think?
Starting point is 00:20:42 Is he a bad person? Well no he's not a bad person because there's no such thing as a bad person. But he has really twisted morals and needs to go see someone about it. If he's that shallow as a bigger girl on her fitness journey, let me tell you, there's nothing worse than a guy looking at you being like, yeah, you could be hot, but you're overweight. There's nothing worse. If you're that shallow, it's just really like you just look like a dick. And the warped perception of someone who carries a bit more weight being unhealthy.
Starting point is 00:21:16 Yeah, and it's the thing. Like, I know so many women who go to the gym who are bigger, but they could literally bench press me and it's terrifying. Yeah. So let me share our Instagram poll result. This is way closer than I thought it would be. Is he a bad person? 54% of people saying yes and 46% no.
Starting point is 00:21:38 Isn't that insane? That's pretty much 50-50. Yeah, but the thing is, a lot of people who will be voting that will be men. That's the problem, is that women, there's this huge culture about the fact that potentially, you know, women need to be this ideal solution for men to be happy. The thing is, most men don't necessarily want that. I know so many men that are chubby chasers and will chase the bigger girl and will put the skinny girl aside
Starting point is 00:22:06 because they're like, oh, you know, there's not enough there to love. But, you know, you've just got to, you've got to find what your preference is. And if your preference is lean and thin, that's fine. But if his partner, and he really loves her, he'll let it go. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:22:19 Okay, nice you said Alaska. Thanks for your call. Ryan, what do you think? Is he a bad person? No, definitely not a bad person. It sounds like when he met her, they were in a place where, you know, she was reasonably attractive
Starting point is 00:22:32 and she's kind of let things slip. And I think that pushing each other to be the best versions of yourself and your partnership and trying to synergise means that you can ask them those things or you can give them the gentle reminder that, you know, hey, you're kind of letting things slip here. Maybe we just need to dial it back in a little bit.
Starting point is 00:22:51 And I think the thing that some people are missing in this conversation is that the two things aren't mutually exclusive. You can love your partner and at the same time want them to look a little bit better. People seem to be caught up on the fact that if you're telling them they need to look better, that means you don't love them. I just don't think that those two things have to
Starting point is 00:23:07 both happen. So you're saying the best version of themselves would be more slender though? I would disagree with that sentiment. Well, it doesn't necessarily... It really kind of depends on the people and what they
Starting point is 00:23:23 personally want. I guess it kind of depends on what place it what they what they personally want i guess it kind of depends on what place it's coming from like is he pushing her to to look this way simply to be selfish or does he genuinely think that hey maybe she would be happier if um if she looked that way as well i mean i know ryan can i ask how old are you i i'm i'm 24 years old you haven't had the 25 metabolism slide yet, Ryan. You don't know when that's coming. Look forward to that. I've got a little pot belly, man. I've got a little pot belly. It only gets worse,
Starting point is 00:23:52 mate. I just think there's no point relying so heavily on the aesthetics of someone or the way someone looks when just with age or anything can happen. You can have an accident. Something can happen in your life where they will look completely different. Ryan. Ryan, thanks for your call.
Starting point is 00:24:08 Ryan's not alone. It's pretty much 50-50 on this issue, which really has surprised, I'm surprised. I thought it would have been like 70-30. My main issue with this is, everyone, a lot of the sentiment is you've fallen in love with the person, right? How they look at the time. A lot of people were saying you
Starting point is 00:24:24 have to stay within what you looked like when you got together. That's not gonna, that's not sustainable for anyone. Weight wise, age wise, like anything could happen to you. You could get an illness. You could be in an accident and you're not
Starting point is 00:24:39 gonna be the same as you were when you met someone. But that's also not love. If you love the person, it doesn't matter what they look like. He's not in love. That's just the end of the story. And then there's the exception to the rule. I'm simply getting better with age. I've gone full George Clooney.
Starting point is 00:24:56 You're not wrong. You're quite cute. Everybody else is too scared to mention it. I'll come forward. I'll put my hand up and I'll say, I'm only getting better. That's why they call you daddy. By the way, I've done some background research on these people. Okay.
Starting point is 00:25:09 What, you stalked them on Instagram? I stalked them. Okay. He is definitely a bad person. Like, this is the craziest shit you can... Why? If you saw it, you're nothing. Well, you're saying there's hardly any weight gain.
Starting point is 00:25:27 I wouldn't even say weight gain. I'd say body change. There's no discernible weight gain. Come on, man. Cannot even tell the difference. Women have insecurities. This is BS. This is stupid.
Starting point is 00:25:39 It's nobody, and I'm not going to because it's a private thing, and this was no names, and, you know, no one needs to be dragged into this anymore. I hope she finds someone much nicer who respects her and loves her for who she is. We have received a message and it is not from the 1950s. It is from 2019. Vaughn, have you got the message?
Starting point is 00:26:06 Hi, guys. I have a problem with my girlfriend at the moment that I'm hoping you can help me with she's just gotten a pay rise great
Starting point is 00:26:13 what's the problem and is now earning more than $20,000 more than me is now earning more than on the higher side
Starting point is 00:26:21 of $20,000 more than me okay I'm really happy for her to do well at work. I just don't feel comfortable with it. I don't know why, but it's really getting to me. I like to be the man of the house, treat her and look after her, etc, etc.
Starting point is 00:26:34 Now I feel like she's the one carrying me. Wow. I'm really glad Megan's not here because you could just see her face get redder and redder and angrier and angrier at this. But he's not like saying... What does it matter? Because you're together. I mean, I know maybe that you're not at the stage where you're married and you pull it or...
Starting point is 00:26:52 Does he say... He doesn't say how long he's been with her, does he? No. But, you know, you're together in it, aren't you? Makes it sound like they're at the point where they're living together, though. Yeah. But is that a blow to...
Starting point is 00:27:03 It's a blow to the ego. Don't worry about that, my friend. Don't let that go. So, Vaughn, how would you feel if Sade earned more than you? I'd be absolutely stoked. Do I have to come to work if she's earning more than me? I don't know. Is it like, because, I mean,
Starting point is 00:27:20 I guess, yeah, back in the... I don't buy into all that. This might be a surprise to you. Yep. This might be a surprise. But I don't buy into all that This might be a surprise to you This might be a surprise But I don't buy into all of that Stereotypical gender role stuff Of a man must provide A woman must stay at home Is he saying that he wants
Starting point is 00:27:37 To be able to buy her All the nice things rather than her Have more money and buy him things I'm just wondering like this guy's background, this has to have come from somewhere, right? So I wonder if he grew up in a household where mum stayed at home. Dad was always saying this sort of stuff.
Starting point is 00:27:54 Yeah, right, maybe. And maybe his friends are like, maybe he's feeling pressure from his friends? Why would you feel? I don't know, if my mate has said, oh, I'm feeling Stink My wife or partner Or whoever's
Starting point is 00:28:07 Earning more money than me I'd be like Why Yeah Like don't worry about it Like money Money will tear a relationship Apart at the seams
Starting point is 00:28:15 If you let it become an issue Lots of my friends Females earn more Than their husbands And have better jobs And how do their How do their husbands take that? They don't care.
Starting point is 00:28:26 I mean, I've never actually spoken to them one-on-one as the husband and been like, are you okay with this? No, because if you do that, if they were sweet with it before, but then you're coming in and you're like, are you okay with this? Then they'll be like, no, I'm not. It's not an issue. But they're married. It's all their money.
Starting point is 00:28:40 Exactly. Wouldn't you just want as much money coming into the relationship as you can? Don't you like money? And I'm pretty sure, I haven't actually asked him, but I think my boyfriend, hello, producer Caitlin here, I have a boyfriend now. I'm pretty sure he earns more than me. But have you not discussed finances?
Starting point is 00:28:55 Nah. But what about that whole, when it comes to big purchases? Yeah. Do you think there's... Where you don't buy what you can't afford. Yeah, but do you think there's a power play when it comes to the person that earns more money? Like they get more say? They get more, like, do you know, do you think they get the overall say? Like, hey, no, we're not buying this big purchase because, you know, you don't earn as
Starting point is 00:29:17 much. This is me, but that's just also me, even if I was not earning more money. Yeah. I'd be like, do we need it? Like that's my, do we need it? Yeah. About anything. Unless it's like a power tool. But that's where the problem comes. Or something that I really want. Like you have to sit down with your partner in a relationship and say,
Starting point is 00:29:37 because that's where the fighting would come in if someone's going to shame the other person for not earning as much money and then you can't buy something that you want. If you're in a relationship where someone's like, you're not earning as much money as then you can't buy something that you want. If you're in a relationship where someone's like, you're not earning as much money as me, start. You'd be a bit like, not a relationship built on any sort of healthy foundations. We're not like that, but a lot of people are about the money, aren't they? And the status and the whole, you know.
Starting point is 00:29:59 So, I mean, I think he is a bad person. Same. Yeah. But I'd love to know, and, you know, we're asking the question, is this guy a bad person? But also, like, have you been in the situation where it has been a problem,
Starting point is 00:30:13 where your partner or you have earned more, and there have been arguments over it? Because I just can't imagine in this day and age there is, but there obviously is. But then, like, okay, so then a text message comes in like this, you are a bad person, work harder lazy bum. So what if she's
Starting point is 00:30:30 in an industry that just has hire and he has workers ass off and he's not earning as much. So I don't think it particularly helps to say he's a bad person because he's not working hard enough because we don't know the circumstance. Because he could only be able to earn a certain amount of money in this industry. He might have hit the ceiling of the pay for what he's qualified to do.
Starting point is 00:30:47 Okay, well, I'll wait $100,000 at him. 9696, is he a bad person? Because he feels insecure about the fact that his wife earns, or no, his girlfriend earns more money than him. 20k more. It's 2019. Yeah. Like, make her a macaroni card.
Starting point is 00:31:04 Princesses love macaroni cards. And just, you're together. It's all your money, right? Yeah. Well, not in some situations if you just started out. Thinking about the future, if you're going to get married, it's all good news, right? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:31:18 Well, that's what I think as well. Pan of worms. Yeah, isn't it? Like, man, we've had some text messages in. Because I thought it was such an old-fashioned way of looking at things. Same. But it's honestly some people, it's not. It's like a real hit to the ego and the manhood,
Starting point is 00:31:32 isn't it? Yep. I earn twice as much as my partner. I'm a female. He has told me he feels emasculated by this. Two years since I got onto this pay, he seems to have just tried to embrace it and tells people I'm his sugar mama. So time,
Starting point is 00:31:48 he got over it, he got used to it. He saw the benefits of it. Yeah. Somebody said that their wife is the bread earner. She owns her own business and makes a lot more money than he does. But for
Starting point is 00:32:03 15 years, he supported her trying to get it off the ground. And he's like, absolutely no worries with her making the money until she publicly announces herself as the family's bread earner. And he says, for 15 years, I never bought that up. Oh, yeah. So now that the boot's on the other foot, I don't think it should be something we throw around. Okay.
Starting point is 00:32:20 Well, let's take your calls. Natasha, is he a bad person? I don't think he's a bad person, but I'm in this situation. So I just got a new job about six weeks ago. And I am earning a substantial amount more than him at the moment. But he earned a lot more than me. But he just got into a new job to develop his career. So it's like complete opposite shoes at the moment.
Starting point is 00:32:45 Right. Yeah, so he used to buy everything and he was like the breadwinner in our relationship but now it's kind of me. And so how is he taking that? I think he's happy. He was, you know, he's like, oh, can you buy me this? Can you buy me that? And I think he's
Starting point is 00:33:01 quite happy about it now because I can afford to pay for stuff. Right. And you said he's made a change because of his career. So he obviously sees the value of being happy with what he's doing and working towards earning the money versus being miserable and earning more money than you. But no, I don't think he's miserable that I earn more than him now.
Starting point is 00:33:25 I think it's, but he was always in that kind of old school approach that he wanted to earn more than me. Right, but it's just, and now he's kind of comfortable with it. It's so, it's just taking a bit of time. Yeah, it's so weird. Okay, all right, thanks, you call. Let's go to Emma. Your ex-partner, you're in a similar situation.
Starting point is 00:33:44 Yeah, this ended up actually, it wasn't a main driver, but it kind of ended up tearing our relationship apart. Because you earned more money than him. Yeah. Well, it would, yeah, definitely. Like if we needed something new, like for example, we needed a new TV. And it was like, okay, cool, let's save up. Like, you you know we had droids accounts and that kind of stuff and then i was just like actually i can afford this so i just went out and bought a new tv and he like lost his mind he was
Starting point is 00:34:13 just because he came from a um he comes from a family where it's like father the family bread earner you take care of your wife you take care of your wife, you take care of your children, all that kind of stuff, which is really old school. But I was just kind of like upset that I was like, I'm doing like a nice thing. Yeah. And I mean, come on. Can you appreciate it? And it's gonna come around eventually.
Starting point is 00:34:37 Like I don't care about money and all that kind of stuff. If you're gonna be present in the relationship. Oh, we've lost it. She's not present in this conversation. We'll do that a lot better. Oh, you're back. We just lost you for a bit there, Emma. But great, great points.
Starting point is 00:34:51 We'll go to Stephen now. Stephen, you've been in the same boat as well? Yes. How's it morning, guys? Morning, morning. So do you think going back to the email, the original question, is he a bad person? No, I don't think he's a bad person.
Starting point is 00:35:04 I look at it a bit differently because, you know, boys and their toys. Is he a bad person? No, I don't think he's a bad person. I look at it a bit differently because, you know, boys and their toys. So when I, my missus was earning more money than me at the stage. Times have changed now, but like I've got a job and, well, in a position now I'm earning more money. But, yeah, it was difficult. And if I wanted, I'm a bit of a fisherman and I play golf and I do a bit of everything. So whenever I wanted to pop into the shop and, you know, get a fishing rod or buy anything extra,
Starting point is 00:35:31 I had to kind of call the missus and be like, oh, can I maybe get this? Is that all right? Whereas now it's a bit different, you know, making a bit more money. I feel, oh, if I need something, I can get it. Right. But that would be the same for her if she wanted to go buy a new pair of shoes or a fishing rod. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:35:48 Oh, I don't know. It's just different. I just felt that way. She never minded. But I just felt it. I just felt, oh, you know, I'm actually using more of her money than my money. You know, I'm very different with her.
Starting point is 00:35:59 I'd love to spend all of her money. I don't know. I'd see a problem with that. I'd spend all of it. But you just had a problem with it because you feel the man should be the provider. Is that what you think? Not really the provider. I mean, I know, you know, like you say, times have changed and, you know, she, a woman,
Starting point is 00:36:17 provide now and things like that. But, yeah, it's just that goes on with that. You know, I've just always, you know, I grew up in a family like that and I can see where he's coming from if it's that case. My dad was always a breadwinner. My mom never worked. She looked after the kids at home and, you know,
Starting point is 00:36:32 so that's how I was brought up and she's in a career. She's an occupational therapist. Okay. Yeah. All right. Okay. Well, thanks, Stephen.
Starting point is 00:36:40 Good to hear that side. I think this text sums it up pretty well. I had a boyfriend who bought me a new car, a new TV, and threw money around because he had it, but wasn't there emotionally. Money is not the be-all and end-all of a relationship.
Starting point is 00:36:53 Spoiler with time, because the initial email said that he's worried he can't treat her. Spoiler with time, rather than getting a job that takes all your time, because she's in a relationship with you and not your money. Yeah. That's a really good text. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:37:09 That's how we should look at life all the time. Yeah. But time can't buy a new TV, can it? Can it? Has anyone asked? Hey, clock, can you buy me a new TV? No, don't ask clock. That's just the purveyor of time.
Starting point is 00:37:24 Oh, right. We've got to find out a way to communicate with time itself. Itself. Okay, right. We'll go into a story. Daddy time. Daddy. Daddy time.
Starting point is 00:37:32 Daddy time. It's the new take on father time. Daddy time. TV, please. So what do we sum up from that in terms of is he a bad person? People aren't saying it's weird. It's a weird one. He's he a bad person? People aren't saying it's weird. It's a weird one. He's not a bad person.
Starting point is 00:37:47 They're just saying he's just got to get over this thing in his mind. So if you were going to put it on one side of the coin, you would say bad. Bad habits. I was hoping I could get you help on something. Bad person. I'm too embarrassed to talk to my friends about this, but I'm hoping that I'm not alone in this dilemma.
Starting point is 00:38:06 Am I a bad person for flirting with other men while I'm in a relationship? I love my partner. We've been together three years and I couldn't be happier. But sometimes I find myself wanting to flirt with other men when I'm out. Wanting to flirt? When I'm out without him. Intention's there. It's not like it's just accidental and they're just friendly
Starting point is 00:38:25 and it comes across as flirting. God, the judges coming on thick and fast from Smithy. We haven't finished the email yet. I wouldn't want it to go any further, but sometimes I can't help myself from having a little flirt with hot men that I see out and about. It's not getting any better. You've not won me over.
Starting point is 00:38:41 Is this just me? Is this just me? Right. Oh, my God. So, yeah. Do you want to know what our Instagram poll says? Yes. So we asked this question are they a bad person?
Starting point is 00:38:54 Yes, 47. And that's normal 53. So people saying it is normal if you are in a relationship to have a little harmless flirt. I always think if your partner was there, would you be acting that way? Yeah, actually that's a good way of looking at it.
Starting point is 00:39:15 Because there's harmless flirting that you can do a little laugh and have a joke around. And your partner probably wouldn't even... That's weird to me. That's not flirting. That's just being friendly. No, that's what I mean. Like if your partner was there that probably wouldn't, that wouldn't upset them. But like what are we talking about here?
Starting point is 00:39:32 But is that still considered flirting? That always blows my mind that people are like that was a bit flirty and you might have just been like polite and friendly and had a laugh. But if that's to a stranger that's also hot of course that's flirting. Oh so it's whether or not they're hot that makes it flirting. If they're not attractive it's not flirting. It's to a stranger that's also hot, of course that's flirting. Oh, so it's whether or not they're hot that makes it flirting. Right, okay.
Starting point is 00:39:45 Whether you're attracted to them. If they're not attractive, it's not flirting. It's being a nice human. I know, but what are your intentions, though? It's all about the intentions. Like, are you, are you, you know in yourself if you're flirting or if you're just being friendly. This email sounds like she is going out of her way.
Starting point is 00:40:03 When he's not around, she's flirting with hot guys. Is it because she wants to feel some love? Like, I've still got this. It kind of sounds like it. I've still got this, like... Girl still got it. Yeah, it's just attention-seeking, isn't it? It's another form of attention-seeking.
Starting point is 00:40:18 Yeah. Is she not getting out of the home? If you know that if your partner was there and they'd be upset by it, then I don't think it is good. I think you're a bad person. What about now that you've got a boyfriend, producer Caitlin, how do you feel about this?
Starting point is 00:40:30 Well, yeah, because I went through, no, I didn't go through this dilemma. Before I got a boyfriend, I would always say to my friends, oh, but like how do you like not flirt with people? Just because I've had 28 years of trying to flirt. Obviously there was something wrong that I was doing. Because it didn't work until now. And a few of my friends definitely won't tell you who they are. We're like,
Starting point is 00:40:51 oh, you still do. But just not go any further. You don't carry it on. Yeah. But then I don't know what they... I didn't go into it with them, so I didn't know what their intentions were. But then also I'm saying that, like,
Starting point is 00:41:05 some girls, I'm like, they are so flirting with that person and they've got a boyfriend. But then they just, as you said, Megan, like,
Starting point is 00:41:11 or Vaughn said it, they're just being nice. So I don't know. But I don't, I don't think I do flirt with guys. I might like go a bit, but I'm not really a flirtatious, I go a bit giggly and shy
Starting point is 00:41:23 if I find like a guy hot. But like I just think if you're satisfied in your relationship you don't really feel the need. I forgot once but then I remembered that I had a boyfriend. I forgot once. I think it was, I was like and I was like, oh I've got a boyfriend.
Starting point is 00:41:39 But then I was like, also Caitlin rate yourself. But like laughing. That's weird because that's, surely it's the intent that makes it flirting or whatever. If you're just laughing at someone's joke, you're just having a laugh. Yeah, but that's the thing, like, I don't know,
Starting point is 00:41:54 like, twirling your hair could be seen as flirting. I don't know. And, like, touching, like, having a laugh and then, like, touching them and being like, you're so funny. But it's also what you know. Oh, my God, your abs are so... Oh, my God.
Starting point is 00:42:04 Can I just run my fingers up? Actually, do you work out? Oh my God, how often? Oh my God, harmless flirts. Do your abs. Can I see? So, okay, well, this is the part where we take your calls. What do you think?
Starting point is 00:42:15 And judging by the voting online, it is 50-50. 0800-DARLS-AT-M. You can text 9696. Is she a bad person for wanting to flirt, even though she has a boyfriend? Maybe you've been in this situation like where do you draw the line? Because
Starting point is 00:42:29 a little bit of flirting it could carry on if it's at work maybe at work drinks everyone gets drunk and then that flirting turns into kissing in the stairwell.
Starting point is 00:42:39 It's just a harmless kiss. And then it's yeah exactly. Came home because he had nowhere else to sleep that night. I was being charitable. This all went pretty quick.
Starting point is 00:42:49 It's a slippery slope porn, is what I'm saying. It all flew by. Somebody said, I always think in these situations, what if the shoe was on the other foot? How would she feel knowing her boyfriend was out flirting with hot people? And it's not, yeah, you're finding hot people to flirt with. What's your intention there?
Starting point is 00:43:08 It's changed in the last couple of minutes. Our Instagram poll asking on our page, it is actually 50-50. It's evenly split. Is she a bad person? Yeah, it really is. Rachel, what do you think? Is she a bad person? I do, I'm afraid. Okay, so I mean, you obviously wouldn't flirt.
Starting point is 00:43:25 I assume you're with someone. You wouldn't flirt? You wouldn't find that acceptable? Absolutely not. If he was either? Okay. No, no way. I agree with that text message and the fact that put the shoe on the other foot.
Starting point is 00:43:36 That's always my rule of thumb. Yeah, same. How would she feel if he was out there doing that with other chicks? I'm sure she wouldn't be happy. That's exactly what I do in the relationship. And that's with other chicks, I'm sure she wouldn't be happy. That's exactly what I do in the relationship. And that's how I justify whenever I'm hurt. I'm like, flip it around. If you were doing
Starting point is 00:43:52 this, how do you think you would feel? Thanks, Rachel. Jess, what do you think? Is she a bad person? Yeah, I do. It's exactly what I said. If she wouldn't be comfortable with her partner doing that, then you can't do it. It's not fair. Yeah, she should be getting what she needs out of her relationship.
Starting point is 00:44:09 I agree. Right, so you think if you do find the need to be flirting with guys, maybe you should look at your relationship and get out of it? Well, if she wouldn't be comfortable telling her partner that that's what she wants to do, then she shouldn't be doing it. And also, she's waiting until he's not there, so she doesn't feel comfortable doing what she's doing in front of him. So it's not harmless.
Starting point is 00:44:26 Thanks, Jess. Josh, is she a bad person? Hey there, yeah. I just think it's a bit of a dog move because when you think about how the partner would feel if he knew that she was doing that, look, if it was me in his shoes, I'd just feel a bit stingy.
Starting point is 00:44:40 Yeah. Yeah. Look, like, yeah, like the same thing when you flip it around, like it's just not, it's just a dog move. And serious conversations need to be had in that relationship, I think. True. It's interesting though, Josh, that nobody, it's 50-50 on our online voting,
Starting point is 00:44:56 but nobody is actually calling to talk to us and say, no, she's... Maybe they don't want to get found out that they're actually... It's a pretty hard sell. It is, it is. found out that they're actually... It's a pretty hard sell. It is, it is. To put your voice to it, it's a pretty hard sell. Thanks for your call, Josh. Some text messages.
Starting point is 00:45:11 Somebody said, you're not a bad person. My bet, he's doing it behind your back as well. Well, you don't know. He might be really into her. I get the feeling that she's like, yeah, missing something. She needs to feel a bit more special in that relationship. Because she doesn't feel attractive or I don't know.
Starting point is 00:45:30 Someone said, flirting's okay. Just remember, it doesn't matter where you get your rapid heart as long as you eat your meals at home. That sounds like some 1950s. Let me take this like 2019. What about Instagram liking hot girls or hot guys? How do we feel about that? Are you a bad person for doing that?
Starting point is 00:45:48 But that's more admiring. You're not directly having a connection with that person in front of you. But you could be, I'm talking like... Trying to slip-slide into their DMs is significantly worse. Yeah. I mean, you're a DM away from it though, aren't you? Yeah. I'm not talking
Starting point is 00:46:04 like Hollywood celebrities. I'm talking like, you know, they could aren't you? Yeah. I'm not talking like Hollywood celebrities. I'm talking like, you know, they could be local people. Yeah. Like the neighbour. I don't know. Like the hot neighbour. Could you just be like... Right.
Starting point is 00:46:16 Kimberly, Kimberly, you are the first person to call and say that she is not a bad person. Yes, can you hear me? I can, yeah. I was thinking, like, people are saying what if it was on the other foot? What is that relationship like? You know, they might have
Starting point is 00:46:33 a relationship where that's okay. You know, they've been in a relationship for three years. You know, maybe it's something that you can't get from that one person. And, you know, you just, it's harmless flirting. You know, it's something that makes you't get from that one person. And, you know, you just, it's harmless flirting. You know, it's something that makes you feel good. And it might be something that their partner can't get.
Starting point is 00:46:52 You know, if they were both happy to flirt with other people and do that, you know, it's nothing more than a harmless flirt. Or sometimes you don't even know what it comes across like. You know, you're just being friendly and then it's what others perceive as flirting. Two things though, Kim. He doesn't know, so they're not both doing it. It doesn't sound like it's an agreement,
Starting point is 00:47:16 but I totally get what you're saying with that. And also, if she's not getting what she needs from him in a relationship, do you think that the relationship's got, like, long-term legs? No, I don't. I think everyone has different ideas about what a relationship should and shouldn't be. And we're becoming a lot more progressive in regards to you don't just have one friend and you just stay there and they meet all your friends.
Starting point is 00:47:45 You have a lot of different friends with different needs. So, you know, in order to feel... In order to, you know, it takes a village to raise a child, right? Yeah. And in that same sense, you have a village to kind of... Satisfy a person. Yeah. It takes a village to satisfy a person.
Starting point is 00:48:04 I like that. It's a good one. Yeah. That's a greedy person. It takes a village to satisfy a person. I like that. It's a good one. That's a greedy person. It is a good point, but it's a conversation that she needs to have with him. She's doing it behind his back. If you're on the same page, then you agree. It's definitely a conversation.
Starting point is 00:48:19 If she's going, am I a bad person? Definitely have a conversation with him and go, hey, I've been doing this or I've been thinking this. You know, what are your thoughts? You know, it might be something where it's completely fine or it might be something like, hey, well, you know, I've noticed this. Are you okay with me bringing a hottie home occasionally? Yeah, exactly.
Starting point is 00:48:43 Kimberly, thanks for your call. Would you say text message wise would be 50-50 as well? No. Really? Swaying which way? Swaying very much towards you're a bad person. Oh, okay. I'm going to just have an update of this poll.
Starting point is 00:48:57 Yeah, still 50-50. Wow. That's nuts, isn't it? I think we have a more vocal one side. I don't think the people who think that she's not. It's the much easier side to be vocal for. People who think she's not a bad person don't want to say anything. So this is anonymous.
Starting point is 00:49:14 It's about a relationship. This is the message that was sent in. I used my boyfriend's laptop the other day and his Facebook was logged on. I had a sneaky look and I saw that his ex had messaged him and that they'd been chatting. It's nothing salacious and just a friendly chat, but I still find it really weird, especially that he hasn't told me. Am I a bad person for wanting him to stop talking to her? Firstly, if he was hiding something, he wouldn't just leave his Facebook open like that.
Starting point is 00:49:48 But she was on his laptop. Maybe she would have no reason to ever use his laptop. Yeah, true. He wouldn't expect her to be on it, maybe. Yeah, okay. But it's not. She's obviously scrolled through all the messages and seen that it's not. But did she open it up and it was there,
Starting point is 00:50:04 or did she open up Facebook and then go into messages? It says that Facebook was logged on. And you know how late they just pop up? Or that would be your defence. You know how you just go into your partner's Facebook page? It's just like the messages have just popped up on the screen. So I don't... Oh, okay.
Starting point is 00:50:20 So she wants to know... She's not asking if she's a bad person for looking at his messages. No. She's asking if she's a bad person for wanting him to stop talking to her. I mean, technically she has broken the law. Broken the trust. Broken trust and the law. I've never looked at Facebook messages.
Starting point is 00:50:36 At Mr. Toyboy's Facebook messages? Never at Facebook messages. Why? Because you're not crazy? No. But what have you done? No, Instagram DMs. Have you really? Oh, accidentally DMs. Have you really? Oh, accidentally.
Starting point is 00:50:47 It was just like, just like. But were you looking? Don't look at me like I'm crazy. No, look at, you're getting a look from even Caitlin like you're crazy. Like Megan. Ages ago. Ages. Mike, he was in a boy band.
Starting point is 00:50:59 Sue me. Oh, yeah, true. He was traveling around the country. Come on. And I never found anything, just so you know. Because he probably deleted them. Probably. That's all right.
Starting point is 00:51:10 He's smart. But did you, you were looking over his shoulder. He left it logged in or he left his phone around and you purposely went in. Explain yourself. Oh, I didn't think we'd go deep into this. No, so his phone was, like, there. You know how sometimes you go on someone else's Instagram for, like, fun because their timeline's so different to yours?
Starting point is 00:51:32 No, no, no, no. It's the same app. Everyone looks the same. No, you know how everyone follows different people, so their timeline just looks way different. Megan, that's a really weak excuse. Megan, that is a weak excuse. Whatever.
Starting point is 00:51:45 It was ages ago, like early on in the relationship when I was feeling a little bit vulnerable, okay? Oh, it's okay, babes. And then like, yeah, no. And you didn't see anything? No, I didn't see anything.
Starting point is 00:51:55 So good on him. Turn the music back on. He had nothing to hide. Anyway, that's not all we're discussing looking into like... I actually honestly can't believe you just admitted that.
Starting point is 00:52:06 I know. Can we not make... I actually honestly can't believe you just admitted that. I know. Can we not make... I don't want to see this anywhere after today, okay? Oh, make it into one of those video highlights. Only people who are listening right now know that this happened. I'm 100% going to hear about this later. So, okay, so back to the person with the predicament. She's seen that her boyfriend is talking to an ex.
Starting point is 00:52:24 Is she a bad person for wanting him to stop? So she wants no communication with the ex. What do we think in the production studio here and the producers both? I've got a boyfriend now. Do you? Yes. Did you know? Would you go into his DMs or his Facebook inbox?
Starting point is 00:52:42 What about his Instagram DMs? No, he's not never good with Instagram, so I don't think I know how to do that. You don't have anything to worry about. No. Oh, shivers. I think, like, because it's so new, I might, because I know that he's got exes, so I might.
Starting point is 00:52:57 But then in saying that, I don't know, I think he just, like, he's a bit, you know, I don't want to say that. This is what? He's trying to say that. This is what? Do you want to say something? I don't want to sound like, oh, like I can't decide what I want to say. No, I don't want to say that he's like, dumb.
Starting point is 00:53:20 That's not the word, but he just doesn't really like, he's not, he's fully onto it, but he doesn't, he wouldn't be thinking about that. So do you think, I think maybe a conversation just needs to be had being like, hey, I just feel a little bit uncomfortable with the fact that you're talking to your ex. Because I've gone on your Facebook when you weren't looking and I don't agree with this. Well, my boyfriend has a hundred messages still left in his inbox.
Starting point is 00:53:38 So I'm not going through that. He's not cheating on you because he's not returning any of their messages. He's got no time. Okay, well, we want to take your calls now. Maybe you've been in this situation because you do hear of people going back to their exes. It's just uncomfortable. That's someone you were in a relationship with. I think she's got a right to say, don't talk to her anymore.
Starting point is 00:54:00 But at the same time, like... Or it makes me uncomfortable. You can be friends with an ex. Yeah. You know, you've broken up. Okay, make me sound like a psycho this whole break then. Call Wes. 0800 dials
Starting point is 00:54:11 an M. 9696. Is it okay? Is she a bad person for wanting her boyfriend not to talk to his ex? No. I'd like to know who broke up with who. If it was him that broke up with her and he moved on, it's probably, you know,
Starting point is 00:54:29 it might be her that's trying to get back in there or vice versa. Because if he got broken up with, maybe there's lingering feelings. Exactly. We don't have that information. But is she a bad person? What do you think? Stacey, is she a bad person or not? I don't think she's necessarily a bad person,
Starting point is 00:54:46 just a very insecure one. Okay. I think maybe she just needs to work on her self-confidence, her trust in her partner. Are you talking about Megan or the... Hey! Kind of think Megan's a little bit more self-confident than this person. Yeah, it was ages ago.
Starting point is 00:55:02 Yeah, just a little bit. Yeah, right. What if it makes her uncomfortable? Do you think she has a right to say something to her boyfriend about that? Um... No? I think he needs to bring it up with him, but not necessarily give him an ultimatum, you need to stop talking to this person, because that's just, yeah, ridiculous.
Starting point is 00:55:17 Okay. Okay, Kerri, is she a bad person? Yes or no, what do you think? Yes, I think she is a bad person for wanting to control who he talks to. But what, it's someone he's had a past relationship with. Yes, exactly. She's an ex
Starting point is 00:55:33 and she, for a reason. And he's a real man. If you were in that situation though and you just saw that your partner was chatting to an ex, would you just leave it and be like oh well well exactly
Starting point is 00:55:47 as to her own confession there was nothing malicious or nothing salacious in it yeah there was no flirting in the messages and I guess
Starting point is 00:55:55 if he's gonna cheat he's gonna do it regardless this is true Cheryl is she a bad person no I don't think she is to be honest I've been in that situation and it didn't turn out great for me.
Starting point is 00:56:06 And I'm not a bad person and I did all the right things. And I guess at the end of the day, what is, you know, what's going to happen is going to happen and you can't control the outcome. But I definitely think that she should communicate with him and at least express how she feels about the situation. Then it makes her feel uncomfortable. Yeah, for sure, definitely. And sort of see his reaction too,
Starting point is 00:56:28 because sometimes that can say a lot about it as well and sort of give you an idea of where you stand with him and your relationship as well. So for your situation, was the chatting really platonic? I don't even know because it was kept from me. I wasn't allowed to because it was kept from me. Right. I wasn't allowed to see any messages or anything. It was hidden from me.
Starting point is 00:56:48 When I asked him about it, he got defensive. He denied it, et cetera, et cetera. Wow. Okay. All right. Cheryl, thanks for your call. Some text messages. You'd say people are split though, eh?
Starting point is 00:57:00 Yeah, really split. And this is from a guy. My girlfriend talks and goes and hangs out with her ex. It makes me uncomfortable and all I can do is express how it makes me feel, but I feel like I can't tell her not to talk to or hang out with someone. So I think that's really good.
Starting point is 00:57:15 At least you can say, look, I don't feel great about it, but saying you can't talk to them is a whole other thing. And it depends how long they were with their ex. If you were with someone for like five, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten years. Yeah. And you're still friends. You can't, some people just can't walk away from that, can they?
Starting point is 00:57:33 They might just remain friends and that's fine. Not a bad person. Totally acceptable to want him to not communicate with his ex. He needs to move on. You can never just be friends. She's not a bad person. My boyfriend did this for ages. I suspected but didn't know for sure
Starting point is 00:57:48 and it got flirty and inappropriate in the end. I did check his Facebook messages. He left it open on our joint laptop, they've specified, and I confronted him. I shut that shit down. Someone said, you need to know if she still talks to her exes
Starting point is 00:58:02 because if she's still talking to her exes, why is she not comfortable with him doing it? It's really split. Someone said she is a bad person. Stop being so insecure with yourself. I mean, that's easier said than done, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. So I'd say
Starting point is 00:58:18 quite literally 50-50. And what about you? Are you going to do some more snooping on Instagram? On MrToyBoy's Instagram? I don't know what you're talking do some more snooping on Instagram, on Mr. Toyboy's Instagram? I don't know what you're talking about. I've never done that ever. Megan's now denying what happened five minutes ago. I'm in so much trouble.
Starting point is 00:58:34 Tomorrow on the show, what happened when Megan got home? Yeah. No, that never happened. I was just joking, guys. I would never do that. I just said it for the radio. Mr. Toyboy. He's like, it for the radio. Mr. Toyboy. He's like, why are you calling me Mr. Toyboy?
Starting point is 00:58:47 I don't know.

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