ZM's Fletch, Vaughan & Hayley - ZM's Fletch, Vaughan & Megan Podcast - April 30 2019

Episode Date: April 29, 2019

Mark Sargent from the Netflix documentary Behind The Curve is in studio, This Is Why I'm Fat and why did you deny a flatmate?See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

ZM. Head music. Lives here. Fletch, Vaughan and Megan. The podcast. Thank you, Anya. Good morning. Welcome to the show. Fletch, Vaughan and Megan. We're interested to hear the Wi-Fi killing the sperm of Japanese men. Because today's top six coming up on the show is the top six ways of protecting your swimmers from the Wi-Fi. Okay. Maybe not want to have kids. Maybe not have it.

But then, nah. Exactly. Not have Wi-Fi. Yeah, no. That's out of the question. Out of the question. That is an absolute terrible solution. We worked so not hard to get Wi-Fi, we can't just give it up that easily.

Joining us in studio today after 8 o'clock, we have a special guest. Yes, from the Netflix documentary. Netflix's Netflix's. From the Netflix documentary Behind the Curve, Mark Sargent. A flat earther, a very high profile flat earther in New Zealand for a flat earth conference. And he is coming in. So many, where do we start? So many questions. So many, where do we start? So many questions.

So many questions. I'm excited. So if you have a question after eight o'clock this morning, we'll field some questions. Mark will be in studio. All right, you lot, listen up. It's story time. Story time. As usual, I have three news headlines

for interesting, unusual, quirky news stories. Vaughan and Megan, pick one of the following three. Headline one, the so-close millionaires. Headline two, X can't move on. And headline three, Dimmis Switch blows story wide open. Dimmis Switch blows story wide open. Dimmer switch blows story wide open. Those are your three headlines. Is that regarding last night's episode of Game of Thrones,

which was very dark, like someone had turned the dimmer switch right down? No, it's not, no. No, you're right. Because it certainly felt like something that... Oh, the memes after... No, spoilers. The memes after last night's Game of Thrones. Hilarious.

Yeah. It's so hard to see. So, I thought it was the TV. Yeah, I thought it was my dad. Internet connection. Yeah, no, it wasn't. Yeah. Well, it might have been, but no.

I don't know. So, so close, millionaires. X can't move on Or dim a switch Blows story wide open I think I want dim a switch Megan I liked X can't move on

But I'll go dim a switch Sometimes I feel You roll over for Vaughn We'd go X can't move on Just like twice or something I mean they're all great stories What would you pick They're all stories. What would you pick? Twice.

They're all good stories. What would you pick if you were picking one? The Dimmer Switch story is interesting. Nah. Meh. What if I Google that one? Dimmer Switch. They're all great stories.

That's what I want. Do I ever pick a dud? Do you want the dimmer switch? Dimmer switch. Sounds like he's putting his foot down today. Okay, we can have dimmer switch. All right. Is that my computer?

Yeah, it was. Immediately everyone looked at me. I was definitely to blame for that. Like Vaughn left his sound on again. Yeah. No, it was me. Okay, so the Dimmer Switch story. The New York Times have released an article with an accompanying video.

And they went to Ecuador because Ecuador at the moment, it's quite a fascinating story. I'll give you the gist of it because we don't have all day to watch this 12-minute expose from the New York Times. That'd be great. They went to Ecuador because Ecuador at the moment have, and I didn't, because I've been to the capital, Quito, and I didn't notice this at the time,

but there are security cameras everywhere. And apparently they purchased them from China. They're using a lot of the systems that China used to spy on their citizens. And so a lot of journalists and activists are saying that they're being spied on. Yeah, yeah, it's too much. It's invasive. In some cases, they're putting cameras

right outside like activist houses. Right. And they're monitoring them all and they're like, no. I mean, they're just there to watch after crime. Us? No. Well, Ecuador actually got invited, sorry, the New York Times, these journalists, got

invited into a secret bunker. Yeah. Into a room to do an interview with the head of intelligence. And up until, it was, I don't know, nobody knows why they granted them an interview, but they got an interview. Anyway, they were sitting up in this tiny room, they were setting up their video, to do the video, because it's mostly a video story. And

they needed to change the light. So the cameraman changed the dimmer switch and it revealed a window that went from frosted glass to see-through. And they saw all the surveillance cameras and systems behind the window that they

denied having. And all that was hiding they didn't even put a curtain on that window. It was just a... They could see everything being monitored. And it was like, it's like this Chinese system. It just follows, it has face recognition, everything. And then they even convinced them to run the interview and they said that the background would be blurred

and it would look really cool. But they didn't. They did. They did the interview in front of this room full of video screens. But did they blur it? But they didn't blur it. Well, no, you could see it in this video. What?

It's quite funny. And the whole thing's just about how they're basically tracking their citizens. Oh, my gosh. Using Chinese things. But yeah, it was the dimmer switch. The camera guy just changed it and it revealed this spy-like James Bond

surveillance room. That's an insane amount of trust to have in your lighting. If all that's between your secrets is the exact lighting conditions required. Or how do you get a frosted glass that dims

and changes? It's something like if the light is brighter in the room you're in than the room that it's... Right. It bounces it back. Right. But the minute it gets lower, it drags light. Right. It can drag light through. Well, it's how, you know, they do those lineups and you do it from behind the mirror

and the criminals can't see you. I thought they had... Because it's really bright in there and dark in your room. But I thought they had two-way special glass. So if the criminals turned off the light in there, they'd see you? Yes. Okay. Yes. If a criminal in a line-up ran up and like flicked the switch, they'd be able to see you into your room

by a higher chance. Ecuador, I just looked up, you know, what they've got. Yeah. Because, you you know Why are they so Paranoid Paranoid Their main exports are Bananas

Cut flowers and shrimp Oh okay With a little bit of petroleum on the side Okay But Must be some money in that banana stand There's been another sighting Of the

Oh yes Yes We love this Of the elusive Black panther Yeah Now wasn't it only A couple of weeks ago

We were saying God it has been forever Since we've had A black cat sighting No I think it was Last time there was A black cat sighting We said

It's been forever It's been a while Yeah Because previous So there's been A few over the summer months. Did we talk about the one just out of Picton? Somebody said there was one out of Picton. No, this one's, where's this one?

This is Picton. The most recent one. Oh, maybe it was Blenheim. There's been a semi-recent one as well. Isn't that higher than we're used to? Aren't they usually down? Canterbury, yes. Canterbury way?

Yes. So this is Picton. It's actually near Ward. So this is Picton. It's actually near Ward. So this is a woman and her partner. They were driving. It was 11.30pm. So it was late at night. When do say it's a panther

or whatever they think it is. Do they like hunt at night? Nocturnal, yeah. See? This is legit. So it's 11.30pm at night and apparently it jumped across the road and it was huge. It had a cat-like head and a huge tail and they said they pulled off to the side.

They both looked at each other. They were like, what the hell just happened? They sat there and went through every animal that it could possibly be but nothing made sense other than some sort of big cat. So how big did they say it was? As big as a dog?

Did they say it's, yeah, it's Labrador sized, but it's black and it walks like a cat. The gait, or the way it walks, is significantly different to a dog. So this is how she described it. It was in full flight. It was big and sleek with a cat's head and a huge tail. So I've just Googled panthers.

They're solitary and territorial animals. They travel hundreds of miles within their home ranges. So they can travel quite far. Hundreds of miles. So that's a few hundred kilometres. That would make sense from, you know, if you're in Canterbury. And they could have hitchhiked as well because heaps of trucks go that way. Yes.

Most active between dusk and dawn, Resting during the heat of the day. And yeah, males have more of a bigger range, 200 square miles and females 75 square miles. Right.

I'm totally down for this. I believe that there's that. But I was thinking now there's got to be more than one. Yeah.

Well, yeah, maybe. Because this sounds weird, but we've got cockatoos. Okay. I think we do too They're probably the same flock They fly towards your house From my house

It's a big jump between And as the cockatoo flies We don't So it started This is where I'm going though It started out There was like Three or four cockatoos

Yeah And I'm like Man they're annoying Because they screech heaps Yeah Now there's 30 The other day When they were parked

In the big tree They always park On this big tree by our house where they all catch up because some of the cockatoos are slow. Yeah. And I'm like, these are breeding prolifically.

And I also want to know what's our thoughts on shooting them. No, you don't shoot them. They're invasive. They could be bullying the local birds. The pigeons. They're Australians. They're loud, obnoxious.

No, possibly I think they've been out of the Riverhead Tavern and been drinking too. White with a yellow top. Okay, I can understand birds coming to New Zealand because they can fly here.

But how does a panther... No, what I'm saying is the theory, the local theory is that somebody had a breeding pair and were like, man, these are noisy.

Set them free. And has this happened? Because, you know, big cats were a big trade back in the day as like pets. So there's more tigers as pets in America than there are in the wild in India now. But in New Zealand, how would you get them here? Rich.

Rich. You're rich. Not too many questions get asked. But do you reckon somebody, or a, because wasn't there a circus theory at one stage, a travelling zoo theory? Well, they said their first sightings date back to the early 1900s,

but it's always been the South Island, so they haven't gone on the entire island yet. And if only one escaped, I hope it was a female. And, you know, if there's been breeding with, like, local cats and stuff. Like, because, like, a stray cat. It could, though, right? If you're a stray cat, you'd rather be the male mating

with the female than being a female stray cat having a black panther mount you. That would be size-wise problematic. Just thinking out there. Because how is the breeding continued if there's no other if there wasn't a breeding pair of panthers? And what if it bred with a tabby? Would it be all

tabby, manky tabby? Well, that's what I'm thinking. And what did you see? There's been a photo in the past, hasn't there? It was a photo taken at distance, but it looked like a big black cat. But you're saying when he was in the jungle? Yeah, what did you see in the jungle? Oh, a jaguar.

Allegedly. A jaguar. Nobody asked it. I mean, we'll believe there's a Black Panther in New Zealand, but we don't want to believe Fletcher was in a jungle where these have proven to be. Yeah. Thanks, guys. From the ZM Think Tank, this is the Top Six.

Hello there. Japanese scientists have looked into the health of sperm in Japanese men. That's because they were in Japan, I assume. It was easiest for the local scientists to look at local sperm. And how was it affected by Wi-Fi? And apparently it is affected by Wi-Fi. It can affect the health of one's swimmers, being around Wi-Fi too much.

Yeah, I've always heard that you shouldn't have like a router in your bedroom. Yeah, or too close to where you sleep and stuff. Yeah. Because like we're around Wi-Fi all the time. Look, there's one above you on the ceiling, Megan. Yeah, lucky I don't have swimmers. Would you ever live under a power pylon?

No. No, neither. Aren't they rowdy too? There's a bit of a buzz to it. I drove past, went and saw my parents, drove past their old family friend's house. They've got a cell phone tower right behind their old house. They don't live there anymore. I was like, who buys a house with a cell phone tower?

Literally, literally right behind it. Who can't afford anything else? But then I'd just keep renting, I think. Rather than live behind it. Well, aren't there cell phones? Who can't afford anything else? But then I'd just keep renting, I think. Rather than live under a... Or who's okay with the places like, hey, we'd like to build a cell phone tower right behind your house if that's okay. You're like, yeah, sure.

I don't think that's how that conversation goes, though. Hey, do you mind if we just build this here? If it's your property, you can say no, right? I don't know. I don't know. Maybe not for pylons because they've got to follow the line. See, I'd be like, oh, sweet, I've only got one bar. I'd love a cell phone tower in my backyard.

Sounds good. Give me cancer or whatever. So the top six today, the top six ways of protecting your swimmers from the Wi-Fi. Number six, wrap tinfoil around your balls. The tinfoil hat will protect your thoughts From being spied on by government satellites I'm assuming Maybe go double Would you have to do everything though?

No you could just That's the good thing about tinfoil It's malleable Yeah You could just get a strip And put it around the testicles It's sort of like a Wi-Fi to get into the penis

And then go through Well I mean there's a slippery slope Once you start wrapping your bits in tinfoil You might be Best just wear a whole tinfoil, you might be best to wear a whole tinfoil suit. Okay. Yeah.

The balls there. Number five on the list of the top six ways to protect your swimmers from the Wi-Fi. If you're not so keen on wrapping tinfoil around the testicles,

wrap tinfoil around the router. Okay. What could go wrong? As long as there's tinfoil at one end of the Wi-Fi. Is that bad for it? I don't think the signal will get out well.

Oh, won't it? But then, safe for your testicles. Yeah, true. I mean, no good for your Wi-Fi, but safe for the testicles. Number four on the list of the top six ways to protect your swimmers from the Wi-Fi. Now, this is variable as to where you live, but have the Wi-Fi router situated in the part of the house six ways to protect your swimmers from the Wi-Fi. Now, this is variable as to where you live, but have the Wi-Fi router situated in the part of the house farthest from the scrotum. Farthest.

Farthest? Farthest. This is of today's top six. Of today's top six, this was what I spent the most time on, working out what the right word is. It's farthest. Didn't Hilary Barry tell us off for that one once? It's farthest.

Farthest, yeah. Farthest. Because we said furtherest.. Farthest, yeah. Farthest. Because we said furtherest. Furtherest is not a word. Farthest. Furthest is. Farthest is also. So have it in your house.

Farthest from the scrotum. Yeah. So where do I... In the kids' room. I take my scrotum into the kids' room when I go in. Yeah, but you take your scrotum to every room in your house. Correct Megan. So the ceiling. Yeah.

Because my scrotum is closer to the floor than it is to the ceiling. Mounted on the ceiling. And as I get older the closer and closer it gets to the floor. Mounted on the ceiling is a good idea. Yeah. There we go. That's it. Good. Told you we'd come to a solution. Number three on the list of the top six ways of protecting your swimmers from

the Wi-Fi, teabag the router. Why? Just putting them right on it. Here's why. He just said that. I wrote it down. I wanted to say teabag the router.

Here's why. You only want the strongest swimmers left to produce the strongest children. And if they can't handle some electromagnetism in the testicle, in sperm form, what sort of wiggling are you going to be raising? Yeah, right. So sit on the router for an hour a day. Only the strongest will survive.

And you'll be left with super children. Sounds great. Thank you. Number two on the list of the top six ways of protecting your swimmers from the Wi-Fi. Put your testicles in the microwave. Just your testicles. Because the microwave stops the rays getting out. So technically, it'll stop them getting in.

Yeah, good. Just remember to take your testicles out of the microwave before you make your porridge. That would be my only. Oh, and that's the thing, too, because every time I microwave, if I'm in the kitchen, my Wi-Fi stops on my phone. If I'm right next to the microwave. Isn't that scary? Does it really? Yeah, it just goes meh. And

like, if I'm like on Facebook or something scrolling through, it'll just stop. Won't load videos. Because I'm right next to the microwave. What about your data? Your 4G? I don't know, actually. No, because... It'd be fine.

It'd be fine. Yeah. Which is even scarier. Yeah. Microwave will stop your Wi-Fi, but it won't stop your cell data. Yeah. So there's no protecting your testicles

from the cell data. It's getting us everywhere. And the number one way of protecting your swimmers from the Wi-Fi is to live in the jungle. To get away from Wi-Fi entirely. Yeah. Where the biggest threat to your testicles is the big is to live in the jungle. To get away from Wi-Fi entirely. Where the biggest threat

to your testicles is the big cats that live in the jungle. I mean snakes. Testicles have been in danger since they were invented and left hanging

outside the body like a little boxing bag. Shouldn't we be putting these precious jewels somewhere a little safer? Yeah. It feels like we probably should have. Yeah.

That is today's top six. ZM's Fletch, Vaughan and Megan, the podcast. The most trusted brands in New Zealand. The list has been released for this year. This is done by the Reader's Digest. It's been done for years and years and years. Now, that means the most trusted individuals list is coming out soon. And I'm hoping to break the top ten this year.

Were you on it last year? No, but I hope to break the top 10 this year. And that's what you mean, break into the list. Yes. And the top 10. Correct. Okay, right. Correctamundo.

Are you trustworthy? No. A top 10 debut. Right. Would be great. So for the eighth year in a row, number one. Oh, I think I can guess Shall I guess?

Whittaker's Yeah Or Air New Zealand That's quite a feat Eight years in a row Number one spot It's because they make delicious chocolate Yeah

We trust them And like they're there when you break up with someone They're there when you're hungry Emotional moments Yeah Because aren't we, isn't Air New Zealand number one in the Australian most trusted brands?

Isn't that weird? That's Australia's most trusted brand is Air New Zealand. That was the list, wasn't it? It was the most trusted large company. Right. Which is crazy. Not brand,

I think it was a large company, wasn't it? Well, just looking at this list, I don't see Air New Zealand on it. This is the top 20, but I'll give you the top 10. Okay. Starting with Fisher & Paykel, their place number 10. Samsung is number nine.

Okay. And the most trusted brand is Dettol. Because they just do what they say they do. I don't trust Dettol. It always stings when you put it on with braises. It's like, don't hurt me this time, Dettol. Don't hurt me too much this time, Dettops. Dettol, you've done it again.

I thought I could trust you. Everything says it's antibacterial, but I feel like you know that you can trust Dettol is because it stings so much. Yeah. It's the sting that makes it trustworthy is what you're saying. Yeah. I've been looking at this the wrong way all along.

Number seven is raisine. I thought you were going to say risotto. I thought you were going to say rice risotto. Oh, my God. We had that as a kid so much. Always trust rice risotto. Mum chucked some chicken bits in there and a tin of crushed pineapple. You guys have a lovely chicken, pineapple, rice risotto.

No, then she'd branch out and get Thai green curry and she's like, it's a bit hot. Spicy? I'll go back to just chicken next time. It's peppery. Number six is Toyota. Oh, yeah. The top five.

They'll go forever, won't they? The top five most trusted brands in New Zealand. Westpac Rescue Helicopter. I feel like that could have been higher. So not Westpac, specifically the Rescue Helicopter. Yeah. That's weird, isn't it? Why?

I don't know. I guess it is a brand. I don't know if I needed to be like... We had some, but it's not a brand. It's weird, isn't it? Why? I don't know. I'd trust them if I needed to be like it's not a company. It's not an emergency service. It's an emergency service. Of course you should trust them. Well, they're not the only emergency service in there. St John's. Wait. Just bloody wait.

For Canon. Well, they don't do emergency services. No, I'm getting there. Canon. So that's printing. And cameras. Cameras. Cameras. Great cameras.

Printers. Yep. Number three, tip top. I don't trust them. They use ink too quick. I've got a Canon printer at home. It told me yesterday. Do we get the same sort of printer?

Yeah, mine was very thirsty. Mine was $68 and to get new ink was like $400. Oh, yeah, because that's to give you just a little taster of ink. Cheeky bastards, that's for sure. Number three is tip 400. Oh, yeah, because that's, they give you just a little taster of the ink. Cheeky bastards, that's for sure. Number three is Tip Top. Oh, yum. Delicious ice cream. Number two, St. John, New Zealand.

So Air New Zealand wasn't even in the top 10. Not in the top 20 even. I looked Australia's most trusted companies for 2019. Yeah, Air New Zealand, one. Qantas, two. JB Hi-Fi, three. And Toyota, four. JB Hi-Fi. JB Hi-Fi three, and Toyota four. JB Hi-Fi.

JB Hi-Fi! Do it again! Toyota's in there for New Zealand and Australia. But yeah, number one again for the eighth year in a row

is Whittaker's. We were talking about St. John's because they were number two. Yeah. And we thought it was bananas. We talked about this.

That the police are funded by the government. Yeah. The fire engine people are funded by the government. Yeah. The fire engine people. Fire service. Fire engine. Two people on a big red truck goes, wheel, wheel, wheel.

And I put out a fire with a big hose. But I am well ported and we've got a fun big truck. The fire service. The fire service the fire service yeah sponsored by the government yeah sponsored

funded paid for funded funded ambulance aren't I know it's not it's because they made this thing up saying oh we're not

you know we're not all the ambulances have got all writing on them it's crazy that they're not yeah they're protesting aren't they I know

we don't have a non St. John's government paid for ambulance, do we? That I've just not heard about. I don't think so. No. No. If only we had a direct line to the Prime Minister and we could bring this up.

I'm not asking you next time. Make a mental note. Why don't we have a government funded ambulance service? Like fully funded. Yeah. It's weird. It is weird. Would we be allowed free NOS though?

Is that why they don't do it? No, no. It's just like we're not allowed to squirt the hose or tase people. You know, there's rules. Just because you're a taxpayer, you can't be like, hello, Sergeant Rogers, can I borrow that bat for a minute? Yeah, no, thanks. Here you go.

Have it back. Have it back. That guy was just really annoying me. Blackout movement. This is why. Bat. This is why. Bat. Here you go. Have it back. Have it back. That guy was just really annoying me. Blackout movement. This is why. Fat. This is why. Fat.

This is why. This is why. This is why. Fat. Wow, wow, wow. Look who's come crawling back. But I'm excited and I'll take you back. Cookies and cream in a two-litre tub is back.

This is, there's been cookies and cream. This is the tip-top cookies and cream. Yeah. In the two-litre tub is back. This is, there's been cookies and cream. This is the tip-top cookies and cream. Yeah. In the two-litre tub. You could still get cookies and cream at an ice cream store. In a Memphis. No, no, no. Like, you could get it in the,

it still came in that massive box. Right. But you, I mean, they judge you when you take one of those home. If you want to buy the whole box. But was that tip- Top or another brand? No, it was a Tip Top one. It was a Tip Top one. Yeah, so they still made it.

But it was the greatest reason you could say, Meme, Meme, Meme, can we get an ice cream? And mum would say, there's ice cream at home. And you'd be like, ha, there's not cookies and cream at home. And she'd be like, damn it, they've got me. They've got me on a mum technicality. Our parents always bought vanilla. Like, you just want, I was like, please it, they've got me. They've got me on a mum technicality. Our parents always bought vanilla. Like, you just want, I was like, please get us an Neapolitan

because then at least you can have vanilla and I can have chocolate. Neapolitan. You can have everything, yeah. Yeah. It was like real basic bitch ice cream at our house. Yeah, well, that's a people pleaser. The good thing about vanilla is it often led to parents allowing a teaspoon of Milo. I was going to say, we'd always sprinkle Milo.

Milo. No Milo. of Milo. I was going to say, we'd always sprinkle Milo. Milo. No Milo. No Milo. Ma'am, ma'am, you've got the plain ice cream. Yeah, but I've got it here. You can put Milo on it. Okay, ma'am, you win this time, ma'am. But they supervise how much Milo you put on it.

That's why I have a teaspoon in my hand. I have one teaspoon and you tap it to get a nice even spread around, like putting icing sugar on strawberries. You only get one. You better get a good spread around. Well, there's no need to with cookies and cream. Because cookies and cream is back in a two litre tub. This was effectively 2017. They said, oh, we're putting a halt to the two litre tub of cookies and cream because

we're going to make our more popular products. And people were like, what? What did you just say to me? I love that this is a news story in New Zealand. Yesterday it was slushies in prisons. Yeah. Getting your lips around the slushie machine. And today it's our ice cream's back, baby.

We got it back. We got, the people spoke and it took a while, but they finally listened. Now talking about cookies and cream, this is in no way a paid endorsement. Have you guys tried the Ben & Jerry's cookies and cream? It's like a slice. It's in the ice cream.

Like an ice cream sandwich. It's like an ice cream sandwich, but it looks like a giant mint slice, but it's an ice cream, and it's cookies and cream in the middle. So in the middle there's cookies and cream? Yeah, and it's coated in chocolate. So it's like an Eskimo pie,

excuse the possibly racist use of Eskimo, but it's cookies and cream ice cream in the middle. What do they call those pies now? Do they not make them anymore? They're still called Eskimo. But it's cookies and cream, ice cream in the middle. What do they call those pies now? Do they not make them anymore? They're still called Eskimo pies. Yeah, I'm really, I don't know about Eskimos. I don't either. The word Eskimo, I dance to like the lollies and the that.

Yeah, right. Yeah, so it's like that. And they are amazing. Aren't they? But they're real, I mean, they're not. They're real small. I could eat two. I could eat three.

But should you be eating three? No, no, you shouldn't. So I stick to one. I haven't been to Ben and you be eating three? No, no, you shouldn't. So I stick to one. I haven't been to bed and juries often, but this is what's happened every time. I got two scoops last time. I didn't need that much. It made me feel sick.

How many scoops? Two scoops. Damn it, I've done it again. You have, yeah. So, yeah. But great news. Yeah. And while there was,

Tip Top started making cookies and cream again. It was because that Much More, have you seen them in the ice cream? Yeah. No. It's a brand Much More. They still made a cookies and cream, and they were just getting all the cookies and cream love. And Tip Top were like, hey, ma'am, ma'am,

Ma'am, Much More is making ice cream. Well, you didn't want to make cookies and cream anymore. God damn it, ma'am, you're right, but I don't like men till they're three. This is why. Fat. This is why. Fat. This is why.

This is why. This is why. Fat. Fleshfauna Megan, the podcast, ZM. Do we have any Capricorns amongst us? No, I'm not. Producers, any Capricorns? Do we know?

What's a Capricorn? That's December, start of January. Okay, well, a woman in the UK has been turned down for a flat because she's a Capricorn. Well, my dad's a Capricorn. He wouldn't be invited. He wouldn't be allowed. He wouldn't be allowed. So what is it about Capricorns that they didn't like?

Well, they're a goat. They'll eat your washing. Well, apparently the original poster that turned down this flatmate said that Capricorns are known for being know-it-alls, unforgiving and condescending as well as good managers, disciplined and self-controlled, according to an online astrology resource. Oh, yeah, that's my dad too. He's a Capricorn.

Is he a know-it-all? Yeah. Dad always thinks that he knows it all, but sometimes he does. Well, he's a dad. He's got life experience, isn't he? Yeah. I know I wouldn't consider my dad a know-it-all. Okay, well, apparently that's what Capricorns are known for.

That's what Capricorns are known for. Yeah, okay, that's a sweeping generalisation of a whole bunch of people. Yeah, I mean, you've just effectively described exactly what star signs are, Megan. A sweeping generalisation of a whole bunch of people. Yeah, I mean you've just effectively described exactly what star signs are, Megan. A sweeping generalisation of a whole bunch of people. Have you ever, and this is what I wanted to talk about, have you ever been in that flat situation where you've all gathered around to review the applicants

for the flat, like the new flatmate? Yeah. I didn't like any admin involved in communal living so I just said, I'll trust you guys. And that's how we ended up with that guy at the SpongeBob duvet and the nunchucks. Who never came out of his room. That guy was weird. It was unusual.

He came home super sweaty. Have you ever followed up on him? Is he in prison? No, I can't find him. He's just disappeared. I remember his name because he shared a name with a very famous person. Right. I've read the same name as a name with a very famous person. Right. Did he have the same name

as a famous person? That's right, he did. It was really weird. But nunchucks. I mean, it was good because he was on our team. You don't want that sort of person not living with you.

But also, like, those are kind of the perfect flatmates. The ones that just keep to themselves and you never see. Yeah. And if there's a ninja invasion, he'll stand the best chance

of defending us all. Because he's got his nunchucks and ninja stars. We had a blanket ban on accountants, but it wasn't, it was because we had an accountant and we found out interesting things about him after he left.

So we were like, oh no. Had he been cooking the flatbooks? No, no, he was really good at the flatbooks, but his extracurriculars were a little bit interesting. What do you mean extra? Go on.

No, I can't. I literally can't say it on the radio. He was a bit of a deviant on the sideline, which is very odd. Are you talking a sexual deviant? Are you kink shaming? No, I'm not kink shaming. Sexual deviant. He can do what he wants, but I just didn't really.

I'm just going to put the music up and turn our microphones off and you just tell us quickly what he was doing. Wait here, please, listeners. We're back. That is odd, isn't it? Yeah. Never heard of that before. Yeah.

But I feel like maybe you are kink shaming. He can do what he likes, but I just wasn't comfortable with it. You can't say that all accountants from now on can't live with you because of that one accountant. No, but I was just like, they have a straight edge job. You never know what's happening behind the scenes. That's why these people with the jobs that are a lot of numbers or a lot of reading, they get bored at work.

Like if you average out your life. Yeah. And so like we do fun, semi-cra get bored at work. Like if you average out your life and so like we do fun semi-crazy stuff at work and then outside of work live an average life so we're good

but if you have a really boring job it's way down here and so in your spare time you've got to make it up for average and that's when you get into stuff like

having a shaving fetish. That's what he was into. Without the details. I meant. That's what he was into. Well, without the details. Without the details. I meant up to you what he was shaving. So this is a question I wanted to ask.

Why did you turn someone down for a position in your flat? Yeah. Why did you say no to a potential flatmate? 0800 DARS AT M 9696. Because there would have been an interview.

Maybe they came around. Maybe they got a second chance to pop around and impress. And maybe something you were just like, oh, no. Or they came around for the initial look through and you were like, oh, no. Because you can't say. No, you can't say. You can't tell them why you're denying them. That's the whole issue with this Capricorn at the moment.

She's saying it's discrimination. They told her. They told her. They told her. They're discriminating. They said they're discriminating against me by the month I was born. They're saying

you can't live here because you're a Capricorn. But I don't know, maybe there was a reason why you said no to a potential flatmate. 0800 DARS at M. Give us a call.

9696 to text. We want to know why you denied a flatmate though. What, when someone came around. A potential flatmate. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. What made you say, no thanks. Or we'll call you. We'll let you know. Yeah. What was it? What was the. Would you have let that guy move in with his ninja stars if you'd known about the ninja

stars and the SpongeBob duvet? Yeah. I'm fine with the SpongeBob. I'm a big fan of SpongeBob. Still all this. I know you are. I know. And I like nunchucks.

Yeah. It's more of a jealousy point than anything there. Rachel. with a spongebob big fan of spongebob still i know you are and um i like nunchucks and probably more it's more of a jealousy point than anything there uh rachel what why did you say no to a potential flatmate um well first of all he said he was on the benefit so he could keep paying rent each week which is no problem but then he said i have a huge boat can i store it in the backyard and we were like no if we can't afford a boat while we work how can you afford a boat on the benefit so what so you're saying there was a bit of an iffy question there? Because there's nothing wrong with being on the benefit. You can still pay your rent, but...

See, I almost would have let him park the boat there because you're not thinking about the seabiscuiting, Rachel. Yeah. No, no, no. When you said massive boat, what kind of boat? I'm thinking sailboat. No, not a sailboat, but like massive enough that our backyard, I don't think it was even possible to fit it in.

It might have just. So we're not talking like a 17-foot Haynes Hunter with a 160 on there to get a bit of bloody biscuitting down the local lake. We're talking about something bigger. Something bigger by the sounds of it. And I was just like, dude, no, one, you'll take up our whole backyard. And, you know, if you can afford a boat but yet not work, how can we work and not even afford a boat?

It's not fair. You're saying there's some questions there. How's he getting the boat? Yeah. Okay. He stole the boat. Well, you can't. And maybe he was.

He's a pirate. Maybe. Pirates never have jobs. They collect all their bounty in cash so they don't pay tax. So to them they can Sure Well that's the thing You're assuming a lot aren't you

I am assuming When you're judging a potential flatmate All sorts Some other messages in About why you rejected a flatmate Somebody said We were all keen to have them move in And they said

Just before actually Just before I go 15 pet rats gonna be a problem Yes they said, just before, actually, just before I go, 15 pet rats going to be a problem? Yes, they said. Oh, my God, that's disgusting. Yes, even one pet rat? No. Absolute deal breaker.

One rat's all right. It's just like a little rabbit. Somebody said they wanted to move in, but they came around like they already lived there. They opened the fridge and said, okay, so whose shelves is who? Which shelf will be mine? I want this shelf. Oh, no. Oh, you came in too hot. Yeah, came in way too hot with their rules

and regs. Worst thing about when you move into a new flat is like, where's the space in the kitchen and the fridge? Because it's all taken up, isn't it? It's hard. Somebody wanted to move into our flat and they worked for a lawnmowing company and we were like, this is fantastic. Like lawnmower and hedge trimming and the lot. and we were like, this is fantastic. Like lawnmower and hedge

trimming and the lot. And they were like, this is fantastic. We'll be able to get the lawns mowed and everything's going to look spick and span. And they said, well, if you want me to do that, I'll charge an hourly rate and it'll have to come off my rent. Oh my God. It's working for free, isn't it? Wow, it's your flat, isn't it? Everyone brings a little

something to the flat. Generally your occupation adds something to a flat like when I was flatting banter and Justin Bieber CDs yeah yeah yeah the early Bieber stuff

yeah early your early baby baby baby woo your baby baby baby woo I remember your flat you had the Jesse McCartney poster signed Jesse McCartney

poster on the wall that's what you brought to the flat. It was covering a hole, but it's also served a purpose. People would be like, oh my God, Jesse McCartney. I'd totally forgotten about him. ZM's Fletch, Vaughan and Megan, the podcast. Four out of six of us are a bit snotty at the moment. Is that right?

Calculation? Just Vaughan and James are... Not snotty. Not snotty. No, you were sick before though, before I used to Vaughan a little bit, weren't you? Yeah. A bit under the weather? I had shingles.

That's right. That 50s, 60s disease? Yeah. Virus? Well, no, I learned that many people get it of all ages. I know because I got a bit, next time I go to the doctor,

I'm going to see if I can get the vaccinate, the vaccine. The vaccinate? Yeah, I would 100% recommend it. 100% recommend it. 100% recommend it. Yeah. Great too because the government uses vaccines to mind control.

So that would be great. They'll have you sorted. They'll have you ship shape actually. Iron out the creases and the dark corners of your life. Dark corners. Yeah. Dark corners.

People will be like, people in your little, you know, corner of life will be like, what happened to Fletch? Oh, he got vaccinated and he fell under government mind control, so he doesn't do this. And now he wants a capital gains tax. He doesn't do this anymore.

No. So, yeah, we were talking about our boogers this morning and there was descriptive words being used. There was a bold claim by Megan. So, Caitlin was like, oh, my boogers have turned green, so I've got to go to the doctor. And I said, no, when your boogers turn green, that means you're getting better.

So it's boogers and phlegm. Mucus. Should we call it mucus? Green. And then you also have the normal yellow colour, don't you? It starts off clear, right?

When your nose is running, it's clear. When there's lots of it. So you're saying that one colour of booger is better than the other. Yeah, when it off clear, right? When your nose is running, it's clear. When there's lots of it. So you're saying that one colour of booger is better than the other? Yeah, when it's clear, you're like sick. It's running. Just clear is good. No, but when you've got a cold and you feel real crap,

that's when your booger's clear. Why is that good? Well, it's better than being green or yellow. No, but when you're getting better and coughing it up, that's when it's green and when you're getting rid of it. Doesn't that mean your body's fighting the infection? It's always green when yellow. No, but when you're getting better and like coughing it up, that's when it's green and when you're getting rid of it. Doesn't that mean your body's like fighting the infection? It's always green when you're sick,

but when you start dislodging the green is when you're, I mean, this is great breakfast chat. No, when it turns green, you're getting better. You're not. That's your body fighting it. I thought green was bad.

But why do you always get green at the end of your sickness? I thought you got it at the start. No. Because I've got green now, but I'm getting better. I was, when you have a runny nose, it's clear. You're dying. I've never heard this ever in my life.

We need medical professionals or someone who just thinks they know better than us. That'll do as well. Someone's mum. Someone's mum. Yeah, mum. Mum. I know you're getting better because it's greener, Sermon. That's 100%.

You always get green mucus. Clear is just a runny nose. The darker the colour, the more infected it is. No, Megan, clear is normal and you're not sick. And green is bad because you're sick and there's germs. Okay, this is what health... Somebody said, also, great news, I've just started drinking my green smoothie.

So this is what I've Googled from healthline.com. If you see green or yellow phlegm, it's usually a sign that your body is fighting an infection. The colour comes from white blood cells. At first you may notice yellow, then progresses into green. The change occurs with the severity and length of the potential sickness. In biology, we were taught green boogers are from the dead antibodies fighting the infection.

So that's good, right? It means it's the end of it. See, it says here on my Google, you might have heard that yellow or green mucus is a clear sign that you have an infection. But despite that common misconception, it isn't due to bacteria. Well, my Google's saying chemtrails cause it. So my text messages in are saying Claire is viral, green is bacterial. I don't think any of us are educated enough to.

A nurse says green boogies are bad and you might need antibiotics. No, I'm alright. I always have green boogies at the end of my cold. It's like when you're coughing it up. I feel much better than I did. It's only the start of the cold.

You've had a light lead in and then the green is the bulk it up. I feel much better than I did. No, I never had green. It's only the start of the cold. You've had a light lead in and then the green is the bulk of it. No, I haven't had a light lead in. I've been sick and I'm good now. You've been clogged. I've been clogged. But now that it's loose, it's green. Is there anyone else on my side? My Google search is on my side.

That's all I need. Megan is right and Megan is wrong. So people are divided. People are very divided. Okay, so I'm just going to listen to the people that agree with me. And we're going to start a little society who's going to get very vocal. The Green Booger Society. Yeah, we might make a Netflix

doco. Alright, spies. Beyond the booger. ZM's Fletch, Vaughan and Megan. The podcast. So I did have a wee cry at the TV. This ad came on that caught me. I hadn't seen it before, and it caught me by surprise because it was, one, it was quite long,

and two, I didn't know what it was for. And so I sat there and went through the whole journey of this ad, and I watched it, and I had a cry. Those are the good ads. Did Caitlin cry? Who else? Did this get you, Caitlin? No, James.

I didn't turn on you. No, it was me. Oh, right. I was, yeah, there were tears streaming by the end of it. There was streaming? Yeah, it caught you off guard. Yeah, because I didn't know what was happening. And then you didn't know what it was for, so it got you.

And then by the end of it, I was quite upset. Right, you've got a clip there of the ad. Let's have a quick listen. Some idiot told me that life was made up of good and bad days. It's not true. They're all good days. Hidden inside every day

is a moment worthy of laughter. To the most beautiful bride, Sammy, and to her most wonderful husband, John. May all your days be good days. What's happening? Yeah, I just watched it just before when the song was playing.

And I thought it was going to get me because I've been picked up immediately. It was a father-daughter. Now these get me since I've got two daughters. These destroy me. The father-daughter. Now these get me since I've got two daughters. These destroy me. The father-daughter things. Yeah. So the scenario is that she,

the daughter's getting married but as you go through the journey towards the altar you also go through the journey of the dad having it seems like heart issues or he's unwell.

Right, yeah. And so he's talking to her the whole time doing his speech at the wedding and then it's revealed at the end that he actually recorded it from his hospital bed and he's no longer with them. It's really sad. Pretty intense.

Yeah, and it gets here because you've got a dad and you think about your wedding day or your upcoming wedding day or your future wedding day and it just scorned me. i played it to born and i thought it would make you didn't even cry oh it was because at the end the old man um was holding his phone in portrait but it was been played on a tv so if he turned it to landscape it would have been a better fit you're using humor to stop from being upset Are you using humour

to mask your tears? Am I using humour to cover my mouth? No No? Bloody humour Right But what are uncontrollable tears?

Yeah they were coming out of my face and my husband walked in and he's like are you alright? and I was like it's just the ad on the it's just the ad on the TV

You know if that gets here you should watch Inside Out. You know, I've told you about that movie. Yeah. Or Cars 3. I've told you about that movie too. Yeah. Made me cry on a plane. What a great podcast so far, wouldn't you agree, Fletch?

Yes. And it's all thanks to Spark. Get one gig of bonus data with the Spark U25 pack. Now, back to the podcast. I'd say about, what, four and a half, four years ago, we all spat in a tube and it was sent away to Ancestry.com. This is how...

It was in 2015. 2015. And you send it away and they analyse your DNA and with a database of millions of DNA matches from other people around the world, they work out your connections, your heritage, your ethnicity. Well, there is a news that Ancestry.com, one of the biggest sites, and that's the one that

we did ours through, is changing its database. What does that mean? Well, it's bad news for some, Megan, including me. So changing its database. Because we've got a wider collection. So they want more DNA collections. Yeah, right. They can get more specific, right?

Yeah, so they're putting out a huge update. For me, it's already updated my results to the database. And that is changing the ethnic origin of many of its customers. They've said that it's rolling out next month. But for some, you can already find out. Simone, who refused to give her last name, is upset because her son went from 31% Spanish to 11. But it doesn't change who you are. No, it doesn't.

But do you remember you? How much Viking? I was 8% Spanish. I always remember that. Yeah. Hola. Is that Spanish? Because people are always like, oh, you tan so well.

Like, what's your like? What's your style? I don't know. Well, no, I've been, do you remember that lady that came up to me? No. She said, I didn't know you were, she goes, I didn't know you were married. That's her words. Her words.

Her words. Her words and also her pronunciation. Her pronunciation and words. And I said, oh, I'm not. I'm just like plain English. Like my dad's British and my mum's, you know, European from Nelson. I don't know. And that's the thing I didn't know really.

And mum didn't either. So doing this was quite interesting. Yeah. And I think we all came back a little bit. Because you were a bit, were you a bit? We all were quite a bit Viking, weren't we? Yeah, yeah. We all had a Viking.

Well, guess what? My wife's was a real. She did it as well. A bag of boogers. Yeah, right. She had everything. She had a preserved dried pea in there. She had some pretzel bits.

A raisin. Yeah, she had a raisin. A yogurt covered raisin. It tastes like human. She was a real mixed bag. I think I was like 17% Viking. What's that? Scandinavian.

Yeah. Yeah, okay. Well, I was a little bit there. And do you remember I was a little bit like Spanish as well? Well, all that's gone. I'm 78% Great British and 22% Ireland, Scotland, Wales. Like I'm none of the hot European countries

anymore. Boom! So where does the tan come from? I don't know because you know I saw some British people in Bali, they just go pink. Oh yeah, like a prawn. You know they cook because they've gone bright red. But it does, when it encompasses Great Britain on this map that I've got,

it does include the Netherlands, Belgium, France, and a little bit of Germany. So maybe there's a little bit of, I don't know. Look, I don't tan. Those aren't nations known for their particular credibility to tan. So I sent this to mum and she was also upset too. She was like, oh, that's quite plain, isn't it? Very plain.

But yeah, so you've logged on because we all got to log in. Yeah, well, unfortunately, I've lost my Italian and my Spanish, even though collectively they came to 6%. I also lost 13% of my Scandinavian. I, too, now, am a poster child for Britain. For Britain. 62% England, Wales, and Northwestern Europe, and 38% Ireland, Scotland.

Because I remember watching Vikings, a TV show. Some call it the poor man's Game of Thrones. And I was like, great, this is a part of me. That was probably my, you know, great, great, great something. Granddad Red and Red and Lothbrok. But now, nothing. Nothing. Nothing exciting.

Pretty plain. But you've forgotten your login, Megan. Yeah, I can't log in. And then I forgot password and I don't know where that's gone. Classic Megan. I'm just still going to claim that I'm 8% Spanish and 17% Viking. Si. Hola.

Fleshforn and Megan, the podcast. ZM. The Netflix documentary is behind the curve. Now I go into chat rooms and people freeze. Mark Sargent's here. Just be normal, be cool. I didn't want to wake up and do this. It was something that just seemed to happen.

I didn't choose Flutter. Flutter chose me. And we're joined in studio by Mark Sargent from the documentary. Good morning. Good morning. Thanks for having me. Welcome to New Zealand. Yeah, it's a great country. Good morning. Thanks for having me. Welcome to New Zealand. Yeah.

It's a great country. Love it. Did you fly here? I did fly here. Look out the window. So you knew they meant 30,000 feet? Did I see the curtain? No, because it was nighttime.

I flew. We never saw daylight the entire trip. That sounds like a conspiracy in itself. I know. I don't want you to see what's out the window. You've been in New Zealand. There's been a Flat Earth conference. How many people came to the New Zealand Flat Earth?

Oh, not that many. It was less than 100, but it was a really enthusiastic crowd, and we had a science group debate us at the end, and it was wonderful. In New Zealand, and I don't know if this is the case in the United States or around the world, but in New Zealand, it seems to be quite tied to religion. The Flat Earth movement, I saw some people talking about it, and they were also quite

heavily involved in religion. Is that kind of a thing around the world? Yeah, it really is. I can't speak for the other four main religious houses, but in the United States, at least half of the Flat Earth community are strong Christians. Right. No question. Okay.

Okay, so why do you think that is? Is there like Bible verses and stuff? Yeah, yeah. There's a lot of, I don't know if you want? Is there like Bible verses and stuff? Yeah, yeah. There's a lot of, I don't know if you want to go into chapter and verse here, but yeah, there's a lot of Bible verses. We have, in fact, there are Christian conferences that are tied to flat earth in the United States.

And yeah, just about every verse, chapter and verse in the Bible talks about some sort of flat stationary of the earth with the exception of Isaiah 40, 22, which says, he who sitteth upon the circle of the earth. Well, circle isn't globe. It's not ball.

It's not sphere in the ancient Hebrew. I mean, look, your dinner plate is a circle. It's round. So, yeah. Right, you're saying, okay. You've got your own technicality here. How's life changed since the documentary? No, that's a great question

because before the documentary came out, well, actually it was before it hit Netflix. Because we were already on Amazon and iTunes and YouTube movies and stuff like that. I had no idea that everybody under the age of 30 owns Netflix, at least in the United States. I had no idea. I don't own it. I'm a little older. And then when it came out, my email load doubled.

And then all of a sudden the conferences just exploded to where we're on tour now. And after this, I go to Calgary, Stockholm, UK, Mount Shasta, California, Dallas, Texas. All around the globe. Yeah, yeah, all around the globe. Yeah. So you've got some models here. You've got the flat earth. Now, I see the ring of ice.

That's the theory, isn't it? Right. We're surrounded by a ring of ice. And recently, people have been saying they want to do a trip to get over that wall. Right. Will you be interested in going on that trip? I would love to.

By the way, that trip was a complete myth that was conjured up by some media guy in the UK. He had talked about how Logan Paul was thinking about moving to Antarctica and other people that were talking about it. But there was nothing tied to the Flat Earth community at all. Oh, right. So everybody jumped on it, and all of a sudden there's like 20 stories, and I'm answering questions.

It's like, so when is this cruise ship going to take off? I'm going, from Miami? No, the Flat Earth Conference in the United States in 2020 is leaving out of Miami, but it's just a cruise ship. Right, right. It's not going down. No cruise ships go from Miami to Antarctica. For those that are listening now

and haven't seen the Netflix documentary, what is, can you just sum up your theory on where we are right now? Sure, sure, sure. And I know I'll try to do it for radio and video at the same time, which is no, because I have props. You guys don't know I have props sitting in front of me. You've got a small globe.

Yes, I've got a small globe. I've got more in my bag, which is most mainstream scientists say that we are on this tiny little rock that's covered with water and a little bit of smoke. And it's flying through space in impossible directions. And that we are insignificant. We're just a little accident. Flat earthers say that no, you are living in a planetarium, a terrarium, a snow globe. A building, for lack of a better term, with walls and a floor and a ceiling.

And there is no space outside. This is it. You're living in a building, for lack of a better term, with walls and a floor and a ceiling, and there is no space outside. This is it. You're living in a building. No, it isn't. Who made that? Who made the planetarium or the terrarium? Good question, and a big question. Flat earthers don't have an answer for that. Well, it's not us.

I mean, whoever built it is much older and much more powerful than us. So then you really go into one of two tracks, which is, is it an advanced civilization or is it the divine? And really you're just splitting hairs at that point. We're like a game of Sims for an ancient... Yeah, yeah, yeah.

In a lot of ways. I mean, who's this... Like a zoo. I'm sorry, what? Like a zoo. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Who's to say this isn't some petri dish? Who's to say that this little model

isn't sitting here on a desk that doesn't have 7 billion people in it right now? But I just, all respect, why is it hard to understand that there's a rock flying through space, but you can understand that someone made a terrarium? Excellent question. And I should pose this to anyone that's listening right now, which is, can I prove this to you right now?

No, I can't, but I treat it like a court case, which is, can I prove this to you right now? No, I can't. But I can create, I treat it like a court case, which is, can I create so much reasonable doubt in the globe that the only place you have left to turn is something like this? Yeah, yeah, I can. I can do it all day long. I can give you some quick examples. I don't know how much time we have, though.

But what about the International Space Station and the cameras? Oh, my Lord. Why would you believe the American? In fact, no, it really surprises me. Outside of the United States, you know, I know like, oh, the Americans went to the moon. But if you're in the U.S., wave the flag, rah, rah, go team.

I get that. Why outside of the United States people believe? It's like, oh, yeah, whatever the Americans put out there on television is the absolute truth, including the Apollo mission. Come on. So you think that the Apollo mission, the International Space Station, the Mars rover, all of that is all set up? Yep.

If the opportunity arose within your lifetime to go into space and see it from, would you believe it with your own eyes or would you think then you were being tricked? No, that's an excellent question. And absolutely I would go up and know I wouldn't think I was being tricked because everybody that goes into Flat Earth

says the same thing, which is, in fact, the t-shirt literally reads, I became a Flat Earther because I tried to disprove it. Everybody hated Flat Earth. I hated it for nine months. And what happens is you say okay this is horrible and then you keep trying to lean on this and the more you lean on this you realize there's more loose threads and by the time you're done it's like i can't prove this anymore in a court of law and it's like okay then you start this becomes a lot more palatable at the end of the documentary

yes spoiler alert there's a um a scientific test that doesn't prove what the people are hoping for it to prove, the flat earth theory. And then the field just gets adjusted of, well, that's not going to work. Let's find something that works. Want me to comment? Yeah. Okay, sure.

First off, you've got to remember, the director by the time we got to the end of this thing, I didn't make this movie at all. It was made by a team out of Los Angeles, Daniel Clark. By the time we got to the end of this thing, I didn't make this movie at all. It was made by a team out of Los Angeles, Daniel Clark. By the time we got to the end of this thing, he hated Flat Earth. He hated it so much, mostly because, and spoiler alert, when the 12-year-old kid came up to me during the conference and was asking me questions while I was on stage, and they said this in the director's commentary,

they said that was the moment we had to take a stand because it's all fun and games until the children are involved. It's like, I'm not recruiting kids. But anyway, so he was going to, so I'm sorry, the short version is power of editing. Poor Jaron and the test. First off, Jaron should have known better. Rookie mistake and you hate to see it. Which is, you do not do a test for the first

time live in front of cameras. He should have done this way beforehand. But the second thing was, he didn't even have line of sight and they edited just about everything out. The power of editing, don't get me wrong, I mean, I love it, but at the same time it can go against you, like the green button that I supposedly didn't push. So are you saying that the test did

work but it got edited out? No, no, I'm saying the test failed but it was going to fail since minute one because you never had line of sight to begin with. Right. So there wasn't much I could do but they left just so many things out but that didn't surprise me. We shot for seven months and they had to whittle it down to 100 minutes. Right. Have you ever spoken

personally to an astronaut? Yes. Yes. And how did that conversation go down? It went horribly. It went really, really bad. Well, no, I wasn't blindsided. I was done. I was doing Piers Morgan, Good Morning Britain with Terry Vertz was the

astronaut he was one of ours uh not one of the canadians and i'm sorry uh piers did everything he could to deflect absolutely everything he could i mean i couldn't i could only get one answer in and terry would not talk to me directly i mean the first question i even asked him they wouldn't even answer which was okay why when the americans took the first blue marble shot from the earth from space in 1972 why was that the only picture taken for 43 years? Why didn't they take a second shot until 2015? And Terry is just silent. He wouldn't even address me by name.

It was amazing. I know, right? Trust me when I say this. No, look, man, I did not want to get into flat Earth. Flat Earth is a horrible, terrible thing. In fact, to your listeners, I'm going to say, look, if you like not want to get into flat earth flatter. That is a horrible terrible thing In fact to your listeners I gotta say look if you like your life the way it is if you wake up every morning and thumbs up everything is awesome Don't do it. Well, that's what I wanted to ask you because you're putting yourself

Well out into the open and people are very vocal again. Yeah, why why bother? Why do it? I don't know I don't know honestly it was in the, which was I didn't choose Flat Earth. Flat Earth chose me. It was like an amusement park ride just pulled up in my living room one day. It said, get on. And honestly, if I live long enough to write an autobiography,

it's going to be called unsolicited. Everything that I've done, including this conference, including this interview, I don't have to pick up the phone. People just keep contacting me and saying, look. So if Elon Musk or Richard Branson said,

I'm giving you a free ride to space next week, you would do it? Of course I would. And by the way, Elon Musk is a total fraud. I hate that guy. Oh, I love him. No, no, no. But what about spacey?

Everything he has ever done, we'll get to the Tesla in space, everything he has ever done. In fact, even the New York Post, our own New York Post actually ran a headline, said, I was so happy when they did, said Elon Musk is a total fraud.

He never falls through with anything. Remember he was supposed to send two people to Mars last year. Or I'm sorry, two people to the moon and back last year and he didn't. Well, I don't think it's like that easy, Mark. It's not just like,

I'm going to send them to Mars. No, no, why say it though? No, everything, look, he also said he was going to make a bullet train underground from Los Angeles to San Francisco in a super airliner that was going to go to China in two hours and cost about as much as a coach ticket. He's ambitious.

And then, no, I'm sorry. Megan also has a huge crush on him. Elon Musk? Yeah. All right. Oh, no, no, no, no. I'm not going to pick on you. Who invented Tesla Motors?

It wasn't Elon Musk. He just bought it elon musk made his money he's a great businessman yeah no no he was a good programmer he he helped design paypal and that's what a great thing to get into and he made billions of dollars so so what about the tesla that he put in space with the astronaut the we tore that thing down in fact when somebody sent me the first image of that, I initially thought, I started buzzing people. I go, who photoshopped this? I go, was that Jaron?

Was it Glowbusters? Who did this? And they go, no, man, that's a live link. I'm going, what? I started to develop like a facial tick. And so I started calling around. We broke it down. No, no, that car was impossible.

Every pressure in that system should have detonated. The windows should have spider webbed in two seconds. The tires should have exploded. Not to mention there was no marketing on it whatsoever it's like are you kidding me there's a there's tesla and spacex and you don't have a single logo that entire car what in fact why did you use the convertible in the first place why didn't you use your flagship put four seats you could have sold the whole thing to disney put boba fett in one stormtrooper in the other iron man and groot you could have paid that for that thing 10 times over. And he never did again.

And he turned off the cameras the second it started heading towards the moon. No. No. No, no, no, no. Terrible. You're buying it. All right, well, we've got Mark Sargent in the studio. If you have a question for him, 0800-DARLS-IT-EM right now.

You can text her as well, 9696. And we're going to come back next, and you can take some more questions, Mark. Oh, these are going to go well. You're loving this. You're loving this. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. We have in studio with us Mark Sargent from the Netflix documentary Behind the Curve. We have a text that has come in,

and I feel like this is very true to how I'm feeling at the moment. Daniel said, I've never liked someone that I completely disagree with more than Mark. So while we disagree with you, you're still a very likeable person. I tried. I am a nice guy, believe it or not. You're just a flat earther. Yeah, I'm just a flat earther and a nice guy.

But yeah. So we've asked for your questions now and your text messages in. I've got a question just before we go on. In the documentary, there's an underlying love story between you and Patricia, a fellow flat earther who does a podcast.

What's the story? Because we were all rooting for you there. We thought we were going to get some romance. You know, that was... When we shot this, I had just come back. Patricia and I had parted ways for a little while. She went to London and I went to Canada.

And we did our thing for about a year. And we came back and we're still really, really close. Don't, don't get me wrong, but we realize now that, that Flat Earth is kind of bigger than us. And so there's this sort of team aspect. So we do stuff all the time. I mean, she's here and, you know, we've been hanging out and doing stuff, but we realized that, uh, we don't want to, you know, ruin the team, break up the team, you know, in case, you know, so we'll see what happens. We'll see. Yeah, we'll see what happens in the future. No, I love her to death.

And she's a wonderful person. And yeah, it was really sweet to see what they did in the film. Never say never. Okay. Yeah, but thank you for rooting for me because I heard that from a lot of people. Even trolls are going, rooting for you, man. I don't agree, but gosh, I hope he gets it.

We've all been there. Hamish, what's your question for Mark? Kia ora. I was he gets the gal. We've all been there. Hamish, what's your question for Mark? Kia ora. I was just here earlier on. You were just more or less completely wrote off everything produced by NASA or the Americans. Yeah. And I was just wondering,

how do you feel about all the information and evidence and work done by the various other space agencies around the world, including India, Japan, and even New Zealand Space Agency? Sure, sure, sure. And I'd like to preface this by just saying that, because I've known NASA people, 99% of the people that work at NASA aren't in on this. I mean, you know, there's people that make fuel systems and polish capsules and do all the other stuff, but telemetry guys, those are the only guys that have to be involved. So other space agencies

like the Europeans and the Japanese and the Israelis going to the moon recently. Those, the same sort of blueprint. They just followed what NASA did. So if you want to make some money, you got to remember NASA gets $54 million a day from the government as a budget. So if you want to make some money and employ some people, it's not a bad thing. But yes, every other space agency,

anything that's made from space is a lie. What about Google Maps? Google, you know, when you're... Really? Where do they get those pictures? A drone? No, you can take high altitude photos and, you know, as high as spy planes.

And a lot of them, you know, we actually hook up cameras to our commercial airliners, kind of like what they do with Google, the local Google Maps. I don't know if you have cars with cameras that drive around well down that they do them anymore. But you can do those and then just stitch them. It's just

programming. Just stitch them around. Maggie, what's your question? Hi, Matt. Hi. I'm like the most open-minded person you'll ever meet. And good on you for standing up for what you believe in because I could not be bothered. That's what I think. Okay. Stand up for what you believe until it becomes too hard. Right. Yeah's what I think. Okay.

Stand up for what you believe until it becomes too hard. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. You said that, why would we believe anything that came out of the States? Right. But then you said your documentary

was made in Los Angeles. Yeah. Yeah. And it kind of just, like, are you American? Am I what? Are you American? Yes, yes, I am American.

I see the contradiction there. Yes, I understand. No, what I'm saying is, look, the United States government, I'm going to probably get in trouble for this, but I'm still on, I can fly, so I think I'm fine. Which is, look, I'm just saying, when it comes to the United States government, take it with a grain of salt.

Our government tends to lie about everything. We're very, very good at it. Oh, governments do. I should catch up. Thanks, Maggie. Steve, what's your question for Mark? Hi, Mark. Hi.

I'd just like you to explain the rotation of the sun in the seasons. Because if it's flat, if it went behind, everything would be dark. We wouldn't have a daylight zone. Right, right. You know, the time zones, it's a great question, and I should have clarified.

It's a short segment, so there's only so much I can do. Which is, not only are we in a building with walls and a floor and a ceiling, but the sun and the moon are inside here with us, and they are very, very tiny. So the sun isn't, I'm not going to convert it to kilometers for you guys, hundreds of thousands of miles across and it's not 93 million miles away. The moon isn't 2,000 miles across nor is it 237

7,000 miles away. They're both about the same size, less than 50 miles. And when the sun, you think it's setting, it just goes off into the distance. If you ever have any doubt of that, take a glass of water, put a flashlight behind it on a flat table and move the flashlight back. The flashlight will set even though it's on a flat table.

There you go. There it is, Dave. Yeah. Why hasn't someone flown to the moon? Probably not the sun because it's hot, right? Is the sun hot? Well, sure. Sun's hot. So why doesn't someone fly to the moon if it's close? Well, they probably have, but that's just it.

I mean, you've got to remember, we militarized space. The United States government did that deliberately back in the day, which was, that's the first thing you want to do. First off, you want to seal off the outer edge, which is Antarctica with the Antarctic Treaty in 1959. And then you seal off the upper edge, the dome, by militarizing space, which is what we did for the longest time. So you're saying the Antarctic Treaty,

which is where everybody kind of agreed not to mine and go down there and ruin it. You're saying that it is to protect the border. Yeah, because that's what you would do. And that was one of the keys for me, which was what conspiracies are bigger than money. And the Antarctic Treaty basically says that no corporation from any country, no matter how much money they have involved, can go there. And that goes against everything that we are as a people. I can only speak for America. We're ruled on greed and power and money.

So the circumference of the world is about 40,000 kilometers. Is that how far you believe the plate, the flat earth that we're sitting on is across? Roughly, yeah. Well, no, no, no. Roughly across. I think we worked it out. Again, this model has flaws, no question. But our best guess is between 20,000 and 25,000 miles across. Across? Give or take, yeah. Okay. across i think we worked it out again this is this model has flaws no question but we're our

best guess is between 20 and 25 000 miles across across give or take yeah okay why don't you fly a drone into the end of the wall that's a wonderful question and actually they banned drones two years ago for whatever reason once we started seriously it was it was addendum to the antarctic treaty where because people are getting hey why don't you do drones and all of a sudden this new thing popped up drones are now forbidden in antarctica it's like what why would you do this no they do they they listen to us a lot are there many rich benefactors of like people involved in flat earth like could you go undercover and that scoot across to the also a great question yeah yeah which is could you get a very rich person a billionaire to take his private jet and just get

a pilot and say punch it it, just go for Brooke. Well, there's a couple of things there that would be wrong. First off, you'd have to bypass the GPS system because remember the GPS system is an American military system and that would also tell you where it wanted you to go. It would steer you in a certain direction. You'd have to bypass compasses. And what pilot's going to be crazy enough to do that?

Because the military is going to ward you off. Once you get out over the ice, they're going to be like, turn back, turn back, turn back. And yeah, it's not worth it. Look, if you have a billion dollars, you have a lot to lose. Right. I know, right? Mark, thank you so much for coming in.

We can honestly sit here and talk to you all day. I have talked about it all day. I think you've got a lifetime ahead of talking as well. I hope you get your flight to space. Thank you. To prove right or wrong. I hope you get your flight to space. Thank you. To prove right or wrong. I hope you get a flight to space. Thank you.

If I won, why not give you the ticket? And by the way, can I ask one request? Yeah. Could you say, hey, to Patricia out there, say, hey, you know, we're rooting. You want me to put a good word? Yeah, put him a good word for me. Hey, Patricia, it's Vaughn here.

We're all rooting for this fella, right? A lot of shared interest, if you know what I'm saying. There was some undeniable chemistry going on there. Mark Sargent, thank you so much for coming in. Thank you very much, guys. Fact of the day, day, day, day, day. Today's fact of the day is that Israeli scientists discovered that there is a odorless pheromone in female tears that reduce male testosterone levels.

So when we cry, you feel less like a... Less manly. Less masked. Well, Ellie, I don't know if testosterone exactly makes you feel... Mask. Does it make you feel mask? I don't know. Because it's the...

If you've got the injections of steroids, right, testosterone, is that one that makes you... I don't know. Should I Google? Well, testosterone's... I know it's an imbalance of testosterone that makes... Because when you're going bald in your early 20s, you're like, what's happening?

And you Google a lot of it. And it's like a testosterone imbalance that makes you lose your hair, but the ability to grow a sweet beard. So there's a So is that why when you cry, guys are like, you're right there, mate.

You good? And a little cast on the shoulder. You good? I'm just going to go over away from you right now. You know, cheers. It's also theorised that that's why men don't particularly like watching sad movies. Right. With women that they are interested in your primal functioning would be to reproduce. And you feel less manly if you're watching a movie and there's tears.

Right. You're just crying a lot. You're like, ugh, ugh. That's too uncomfortable. I'm going to have to go and find a different mate. So what does it mean when they cry then? I don't know if there's been a lot of reverse. Because women quite like, don't get me wrong, women, they don't mind a crying man, do they?

Where's this going? No, I don't mind a crying man. No,? Where's this going? No, I don't mind. Women don't mind a crying man. No, I think it's sweet. Shows that they've got, you know, the emotions. I think they're in touch with their emotions. Yeah, yeah. It means that you're not going to like have to deal with therapy

and other issues later on down the track because they're expressing themselves. Yeah, and rather than one day just being like. Snap. Yeah, it's good to express yourself like that. Get it out there. You are not afraid of a cry, Fletch? Sure. It's a sad movie behind closed doors.

Literally never seen you cry. Maybe you can stub your toe or something once. Oh no, just get angry and swear. Yeah, he's an angry... Have you ever stubbed your toe as an adult? Yeah. Yeah, it really hurts. It really hurts.

It's real weird, eh? You're just like... My kids also don't stub their toe nearly as much as I did when I was a kid. Put me and Jandles on a footpath. When I was a kid, I'd stub my toe within five metres. Yeah. Is it because I spent more time on footpaths? Probably.

It's painful though. They're adapting. But yeah, as an adult, no good time stubbing your toe. So today's fact of the day is that there is a odourless pheromone in female tears that reduces male testosterone. Fact of the day, day, day, day, day. ZM's Fletch, Vaughan and Megan, the podcast. Apparently over the Easter break, some people got an accidental tax refund.

Doesn't say accidental, did it? Well, this is, there's an accountant that's come out. He's warning people to be wary because he's saying you may have to pay it back. Because apparently over Easter the IRD updated their systems and from now going forward if you're like salary and wages

it's going to be automatically done for you. And at the end of the year, rather than going to one of those places, you know, those tax refund places and doing it yourself, it'll just happen. If you get a refund, it'll be in your bank. We have just had the end of our financial year. So isn't that the tax refund that you're supposed to get? Plus it's already been spent. Did you get one? Well, yeah. It appeared.

I think it might have been Andrew's. But it appeared over Easter. We were like, ayo. It said it's from the IRD. And it's now gone. So I can't give that back. Good luck in that. Yeah, what do you want me to do?

See, they shouldn't be allowed to make mistakes. Like, you're not allowed to make a mistake when you're filing your tax. Are you? No. They're like, no mistakes. They've made a mistake. And you should say no mistakes. I'd charge them a bank fee.

Yeah, you gave it to me. No maxis. It didn't say this is accidental, so it's gone. Don't spend this, we're not sure if you should have it. Imagine if that was the reference. It gives you your IRD reference in particulars.

Don't spend this, we're not sure if you should have it. Right. And you always assume that the IRD doesn't make mistakes. So it wasn't as if I looked at it and was like, well, not sure if that's supposed to be there.

A spokesperson, according to this news article for the IRD, said it was aware of the issue, but it was not a problem with the system. It's a matter of how a few people have used the system rather than a problem with the system itself. That sounds like you'd... I just said system lots. This accountant, though, is saying if you're worried, you might want to check with your accountant or the IRD.

But from mid to late May, all salary and wage earners will hear from the IRD with around 1.6 million people due a refund. Hey, money. 1.6 million people. That's a lot, eh? What did we say yesterday? How many taxpayers were there in New Zealand? Three point something.

Something. Because we all paid 27 cents for the slushy machines. So that's half of the taxpayers. Pretty good chance to get a little refundy there. Right. Well, I'm not calling anyone. They need to come chase me if they want it back. If Monopoly's taught us anything, you get to keep bank errors in your bank.

Yes. Shush. Exactly. Flesh, Vaughan and Megan. The podcast. ZM. Tomorrow on the show we launch our

Food Fight Chippies edition. We're on the hunt for New Zealand's favourite packet of chippies. Now we asked you last week for your

ideas. Yeah, we did. We asked on Instagram as well. We did. We composed a list and look,

are we above even editing this list if someone comes in last minute with a smoking hot suggestion that we've forgotten? We asked, didn't we? We put it out there, you had your chance. I don't know if the graphics Above even editing this list, if someone comes in last minute with a smoking hot suggestion that we've forgotten.

We asked, didn't we? We put it out there. You had your chance. I don't know if the graphics department will be good with that, Vaughn. I'll do it. Last minute. I'll do the graphics recheck. Vaughn Smith Photoshop.

I'll do the graphics recheck. It'll be MS Paint. If I, yes, and there's nothing wrong with that. So we have been a show. Intern Anya, how many chippies are on this list? Because there's a lot. Do you have a number? Nah. That's not been a shame. Intern Anya, how many chippies are on this list? Because there's a lot. Do you have a number? Nah.

That's not what I was expecting. It's like a whole page. Yeah. Jeez. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24. See how boring that was? You could have counted in your head. It could have been avoided if you put numbers beside them. And we could have talked about something else. 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24. See how boring that was? You could have counted in your head. It could have been avoided if you put numbers beside them.

And we could have talked about something else. Oh, yeah. 24. I think I've done the math right. By the way, one of the 24 is cassava chips. Yeah. They're a rose chip. They could be a winner.

I spit on the cassava. No. It doesn't deserve its place amongst the corn and potato. They're the plain ones, aren't they? And cheese flavoured? on the cassava. No. He doesn't deserve its place amongst the corn and potato. They're the plain ones, aren't they? And cheese flavoured? Yeah. Cassava. No.

Okay, so this is them. Do you want to know all of them? Yeah, I think let's go through them. So what we'll do. In no particular order. From tomorrow, over the next week or so, we're going to have round robins. Yeah. They will go up against each other and it's elimination.

Round robin. So if a chip loses, it's out. Will we also have a bag of each of these chips in studio so that we might crunch at the time and make a direct taste comparison? Producer Caitlin, you might need to go to the supermarket today, I think. And I'll bring in my sealer, my little vacuum sealer, so that we have a chip each and then we seal the chip bag so that we can open it again

next time and make sure we're the next round. Only one? No. One chip each. One chip each. You guys just have to

get rid of the diets for the next week because we're going to be eating chippies. Why do you have a vacuum sealer? It's so handy. Not for leftovers and stuff

but all sorts of things. What do you put in bags? Well, if you're going to marinate a lovely big steak you put it in there and you squeeze it and it forces it all in there. Right, okay. It makes things last way longer in the freezer. Right, if you're going to like marinate a lovely big steak, you put it in there and you squeeze it and it forces it all in there. Right, okay. It makes things last

way longer in the freezer. Right, okay. Yeah, I've got some chillies from last season that I'm going to make a sauce out of. Hey, you asked, don't hurry me. So these are the chips in no particular order. Mexicano corn chips, cheese. Those are yum. Bluebird green onion. Cheezels.

Delicioso sweet chilli relish. Oh, those are so good. Eat a ripple cut. Bluebird green onion. Cheezels. Delicio sweet chilli relish. Oh, those are so good. Eat a ripple cut. The works. Yeah. I said that wrong. Eat a ripple cut. The works.

That's one flavour. Twisties. Sour cream and onion Pringles. Yeah, okay. Shouldn't it be sour cream and chives Pringles? Shouldn't it be? Is that a typo? No, it's sour cream and onion.

We'll find out when producer Caitlin goes to the supermarket. Salt and vinegar Pringles. Muncho spicy tomato. I thought you were going to pipe up there. That's your favourite flavour chip. One of my favourites. It's either that or cheese balls for me. Cassava barbecue.

Yeah, okay. Delicio Greek tzatziki. Tzatziki. Tzatziki. He was the monkey in the Lion King. Great god of kirkens. Doritos nacho cheese. Wait, do we have Doritos sour, the sweet chili?

Thai chili. Because that's one of my faves as well. The purple packet? It is, yep, it's on the list. Okay. Bluebird ready salted. That's a joke, isn't it? Unfortunately, people chose it? But you know what?

People bring them. When I last had drinks, someone bought ready salted chips. I was like, who are you? Were they a friend? Well, apparently not. Honey soy chicken. Barbecue kettle. Kettle for a barbecue.

Papa Jack's. Are they still around? Yeah, they're like a mancha with no flavour. Right. Rations. Doritos sweet Thai chilli. Yes. Bluebird mancha with no flavour. Right. Rations. Doritos sweet Thai chilli. Yes. Bluebird sour cream and chives.

Yes. Burger rings. Oh, yes. Bluebird chicken. Yuck. Yuck. Chicken flavoured chips. I haven't had those because once after school,

I was feeling a little bit sick and wasn't at mum's work, and I ate a whole bag and then I spewed them up on the floor. So I can't eat chicken chips. And that ruined chicken chips? Yeah. Well, I've never spewed them, but they're filth. Sour cream and chives, grain waves, cheese balls, and bluebird salt and vinegar.

You can't go past a little S&V. I'm excited to see how the nation chooses. There'll be some upsets. Yeah, there will be. Alright, well, we kick it off tomorrow. Our Instagram is FVMZM. Keep an eye because we do all the rounds on our Instagram, and we're going to kick it off tomorrow. Our Instagram is FVMZM. Keep an eye because we do all the rounds on our Instagram and we're going to kick it off tomorrow.