ZM's Fletch, Vaughan & Hayley - ZM's Fletch, Vaughan & Megan Podcast - October 23 2019

Episode Date: October 22, 2019

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ZM. Head music lives here. Fletch Warner Megan, the podcast. Thanks, Anya. Good morning. Welcome to the show, Fletch Warner Megan. And yeah, that convention centre, Sky City Convention Centre, not the actual, for those out of Auckland, not the actual Cassie at the foot of the Sky Tower, as some people maybe thought, over the road. That is still burning this morning. Anya, you have a view from your apartment building to the roof. And every time you sent a photo last night and even this morning at 4.30, it was still burning. Yeah, and this morning it was like big, scary orange flames. Like it doesn't look any better. We carpooled right past it and you can still see the massive flames.

I think it's also because it's dark. You really get that orange glow off it during the day. You're like, oh, yeah, there's flames in there. But when it's dark out there like it is now, it's really obvious. So they've said this is as bad as it gets. And there's really not much else they can do apart from stop it spreading below. It's just on the roof. It's just burning.

And there are fears that the roof could collapse. So this morning, a lot of workplaces are saying if you are in Auckland City, I mean, obviously, you've got to check with your workplace.

But a lot are saying if you can work from home or you don't need to come into the city, don't. There is a public health warning out. Yeah, as soon as I drove into the city this morning,

my phone went beep, beep, beep. Yeah, I got that last night. It scared the public health warning out. Yeah, as soon as I drove into the city this morning, my phone went beep, beep, beep. Yeah, I got that last night. It scared the shit out of me. Yeah, because it went through my Bluetooth in my phone. I was like, ah! And yeah, so I mean, if you're living in the city, you probably know to keep your windows shut because I walked out my door this morning

and it was like a wall of fumes. Crazy. You could see the haze as well, even with the city lights. What about inside your place? So when I came home yesterday, my windows were open and I could smell it. Yeah. Faintly. And shut the windows so it's fine.

But I have a friend who's Victoria Street, Queen Street. Yeah. Around there. He turned up at my place this morning when I left to work. He said, I'm just going to crash on your couch. I'm like, go for it. Because he said it was so intense even with his windows shut. Wow.

In the city. It was just billowing black smoke and they're saying it's toxic, right? Well, yeah, it's all the materials on the roof. It's the bitumen. So I heard, yeah, because yesterday, have you been paying attention? It's not on tonight because we went to film it last night.

And TVNZ right next door. They turned on the studio air conditioning and it just sucked in smoke. Wow. And they were saying it's bitumen that's burning. And so bitumen is a waterproofing. It can be used in waterproofing. It's also used in the roads. Now, it wouldn't usually burn because the sprinklers would turn on

before it got hot enough to set it on fire. Right. But there's no sprinkler system because it's just been built. You're near. Yeah. It's crazy, yeah. So check with your workplace

because a lot of places are Ross Bosses just emailed. Morning, all the fire continues to burn and streets are still closed. If you're able to, stay put and work from home today. Where the hell was this email?

An hour ago. Where was this an hour ago? Unbelievable. We're here. TVNZ, I believe, this email? An hour ago. Where was this an hour ago? Unbelievable. We're here. TVNZ, I believe, this morning has been evacuated. They've had to go to a BBC feed this morning. They're right next door. Yeah, that doesn't surprise me at all.

Yesterday, the whole building just stunk of burning. It was like somebody had lit a bin of burning plastic. The whole building inside. That's why they're saying a lot of people might not be able to come in today because of the air con on buildings. We'll just be sucking it all in from the streets. So you check a lot of roads.

Some roads around are closed. You managed to come down Nelson Street. Yeah, it looks like it's just partially closed. Partially, but that is when it gets to rush hour. That is going to bottle me up. So yeah, you want to keep on top of that. We'll keep you updated throughout the morning on any developments. Anything to add?

Did your parents check on you? No. Oh, no. I didn't hear from my parents yesterday. Yeah, mum wanted to know. Yeah, mum messaged. Anya, did your parents check? Well, they live here.

What did they say? Just, are you okay? You know, that kind of thing. Did you not get anything? No, mum always says if I'm on the radio the next day, then I'm all right. Well, Megan's fine. I'm here.

You can stop worrying. All right, you lot, listen up. It's story time. DJ. Oh, look, it's too early to do a DJ, Max Megan. Story time. Three news headlines, and you've got to pick one, born of Megan.

Only one. Headline one, life imitates art. Headline two, woman gets lifetime ban for selfie. And headline three, twerking while the world burns. I go. What was the story number two? A woman gets lifetime ban for selfie. You might have heard of this story.

Someone's taken a silly picture. What did she take a picture of? Where though? And what was number when? Life imitates art. Okay. Yeah, though. And what was number when? Life imitates art. Okay. Cruise ship?

Is that the one that... Oh, she hung off the side of the cruise ship. Don't Google. You're breaking the story time rules. No, I had heard of that one. I knew I'd heard of it. What did she do? She stood on the ship's railing for a selfie and she's been barred from life from Caribbean Sea.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Okay, fair enough. Whatever will I do? Go on one of the other cruise companies. There's a few of them. If she had fallen, she would have. Oh, she was like heaps of stories high.

Like, it was nuts. I don't know how she did it. She'd be terrified. I can't even look over the edge when I'm that high. I was like, no. Close enough for me. Your knees go. What was the other one?

You go there, go the other one then. Life imitates art or twerking while the world burns. You don't like the sound of that? Life imitates art. It is? Yep. Okay. Just loading CNN.

Standby caller. Maybe you should load them all. No, because otherwise I've got three open tabs and you guys only pick one. I know, and then afterwards you just close the other two. We go to Georgia now, where a driver, Georgian driver has made it out alive after he had a final destination moment with...

Concrete truck. No. Logging truck. Yes. Always. I'm showing you the pictures here. Holy shit. That is the... I believe that's the driver's side and those logs are right in there. Oh, I don't need to see that.

Those aren't big logs. Those are mine. I think about that every time behind a logging truck. No. Because the final destination movies... My car too. When... It actually does. Ohination movies. My car too. When, it actually does. Oh my God. Might be a G. Oh my God.

The Final Destination movies are quite old, eh? Like I can't, I can always remember. They are now, yeah. They were like, weren't there about four or five of them though? Like they kept making them. Five. Yeah. And I always remember some of that, like I always remember the Insincerator.

I always remember the bridge one. The tanning bed. Every time I go over the Harbour Bridge, I'm like, are there any cracks? Are there any cracks? The pane of glass. I don't remember that one. Doesn't a pane of glass fall out of a building

and squash somebody? So for those that, everyone knows Final Destination, right? But for those that don't, the movies where someone would cheat death, but then it would get them eventually. Yeah, death chases them. Death chases you if you miss it.

And they're always like really crazy, epic deaths. Yeah. But chases them. Death chases you if you miss it. Really crazy, epic deaths. Yeah, but I think that movie and the story, that has always made me weary when I'm behind a logging truck. Me too. I will always say, or think in my head, final destination. Not overtaking this logging truck.

But yeah, a lucky escape, literally. Okay, I've got the definitive list of final destination deaths. I'll just tell you that the man is okay. Firefighters had to cut through 30 to 40 logs with a chainsaw before they could even cut open the car. It only took 10 to 15 to get the driver out. But because the driver was not in the upright position,

he was kind of like, you know those people that lean back, have their seat right back when they drive? Yeah. Yeah. He was like that. So that actually saved his life. Wow. If he'd been upright, he would have lost his head. Good Lord.

So someone got killed by a falling brick. Okay. Someone got hit by an ambulance when leaving the hospital. Yep. Somebody, there was an explosion. Somebody was impaled with a Oh, it looks like a metal rod Somebody else was crushed by a bathtub

It fell, they left the bathtub running And the water made the floor weak And then it fell on somebody underneath Yeah Somebody got a wrench to the face When it fell into a cog and shot out Oh, I remember that one Someone got a rock through the face when it fell into a cog and shot out. Oh, I remember that one.

Someone got a rock through the eye. Okay. There was another explosion. Somebody got caught by a big crane hook up under the face. That's right. Somebody else. Oh, God. Actually, someone got hit by a truck.

These are awful. Someone got crushed by a truck. These are awful. Someone got crushed by a Buddha statue. It's quite a grim start to the day, actually, isn't it? Yeah. Someone got crushed by some gym equipment. I'm actually surprised they haven't remade or brought out some new Final Destination movies. The last one was 2011. Oh, okay.

Yeah. They got progressively worse. Well, yeah, they're running out of ideas, okay. Yeah. They got progressively worse. Well, yeah, they're running out of ideas, I'm guessing. Flesh, Vaughan and Megan, the podcast, ZM. A story from Christchurch. A man who owned a classic, a Buick, was out for a drive in his 1965 Buick Electra. Okay. Now, he was cruising, didn't break any road rules,

went through a set of traffic lights, which was when the police were involved in a pursuit. Right. They were hoofing it. And they came through the intersection and hit the back of his car, spun him around, and then his car hit traffic lights.

Right. Now, the car was a write-off. The police admitted fault. Yeah. And he claimed insurance, but insurance was a $15,000 shortfall of what the car's worth. I know, and the car was only worth $39,000. Why was it $15,000 short?

I don't know. Well, no, they always try to screw you out of money, don't they, insurance companies? They're like, oh yeah, your iPhone's six months old. That's minus $500. You're like, what? I can't buy one. I can't buy one for what you're giving me. Oh, you can probably get one on

Trade Me. And then your excess, okay, here's $50. You're like, how am I buying a new iPhone? That's literally what happened to me with an iPhone on travel insurance. I think I ended up getting $150. Towards your new phone. A phone that was like a year old. And they just depreciated it.

And you're just like, well, this doesn't replace it. No, replacement. So $15,000 shortfall. And he said, seeing as though the police admitted fault, Replace it? No, replacement. So $15,000 shortfall. And he said, seen as though the police admitted fault, should they then make up the $15,000 shortfall? But why wasn't he insured?

Like, wouldn't you be, if you had a car like that, that was quite rare, wouldn't you, maybe you can't insure it for that much. Or you just take a risk that you're not going to have an accident. Well, yeah, maybe what he paid for it wasn't, yeah, as you say.

Maybe we need to have conversations with your insurance being like, so if this gets written off, will I get this amount of money? Because the answer is no. Yeah, but then I'm kind of on his side. Like, they should pay. They crashed into him. Yeah. Could you take them to court?

Oh, I don't know. It's the police. It's the police, yeah. That's it. You'd have to be pretty squeaky clean to take them to court, eh? Otherwise they'd do a little digging on you. Yeah, they'd look into everything. They've got the means to.

I mean, I'm just going by what I see on the movies, but it's probably not what happens. They're like, we could go into court, but we'll have to tell everybody what you looked up last night. Oh, I just remembered I don't want another car. Don't need that $15,000. Don't need it. Thanks, everybody.

Thanks for coming. See you. Bye. From the ZM Think Tank, this is the Top Six. Hello there. TVNZ has told all employees not to bother coming in today. They've actually abandoned studio for breakfast this morning. I think they're doing their show on the street this morning.

Yeah, satellite studio. That's exciting. It is lightly drizzling. That was another thing. Strong winds this morning. What was the weather like in the city overnight? Because our place, we don't live anywhere near the city, but close enough where you could assume

similar weather. It was nuts. Rain and wind last night was crazy. I was like, oh, that fire will have either been... Well, it's still burning strong this morning. 45k winds in the city, 47k by 10am. Wow. So that's certainly not helping with the firefight.

Not hard to... Fanning the flames rather than extinguishing the flames. But I thought the rain might have done something, but no. Ross Boss has emailed us as well. He's telling the office, don't come in if you can work from home. It seems to be the case. So today's top six. Are the top six good things about working from home?

Number six on the list of the top six things that are good about working from home. Parking is free. Unless you don't have parking that's free at your place. Loser. If I didn't pay for parking outside my house, I would have worked out a scam by now to not pay for parking. Yeah. Does someone have to do that?

Pay for parking at their house? Well, like if you live in the cities, they have like zones outside your... But you have a free ticket if you live in that zone, right? Well, no, you have to apply. You don't necessarily always get one. I know they just pop it in your letterbox. You could just put bushes over your car so they

think it's a hedge. Bingo. So that's what I'd do. Solved. Buy a Nissan Leaf. You're halfway there. You're halfway there, yeah. Or just photocopy the rego so they can't give you a ticket. Is that how it works? What? Like Photoshop your rego.

Something else. Your number plate? Yeah. Go onto plates.co.nz and just print off a random plate so somebody else starts getting tickets. Pretty sure that's illegal. Is it?

Yep. Number five on the list of the top six things about working from home, the good things about working from home. You know exactly who made a mess of the work toilets. Yes. You can't swan back in. There's no phantom pooper.

No, going, oh, my God, someone destroyed that place. It wasn't me. Yeah. Somebody around here was raised by animals. Yeah. It can't be blamed on anybody else. Number four on the list of the top six good things about working from home, you can work laying down.

Fair enough. Lie down on the couch and work. I'd just drop my laptop on my face. It's hard enough with my phone. Put it on your chest. You know when you're in bed? You put it on your lap. You put it on your lap. You lie down,

you put it on your chest. I mean, that's not totally laying down. What are you doing? Like holding it up? No, you know when you're just in bed, you're just like, I'll just check my phone and I'm lying flat on my back. You don't put it on your chest. That's not totally laying down. What are you doing? Like holding it up? No, you know when you're just in bed, you're just like, I'll just check my phone and I'm lying flat on my back.

You don't do that with your laptop. No, of course not. Fall straight. God, you'd break your nose if one of those fell on your face. Yeah. Number three on the list. The top six good things about working from home.

You can heat up whatever you want in the work microwave. Oh, yeah. And there'll be no judgment. Smelly tuna. Fish pie. You reheat your fish pie. Oh yeah. And there'll be no judgment. Smelly tuna. Fish pie. You reheat your fish pie. You reheat that bad boy.

Number two on the list of the top six things are good things about working from home. Your linen cupboard needed sorting out anyway. Because procrastination. And number one on the list of the top six good things about working from home, you can't sexually harass yourself.

I knew there was going to be something about playing with yourself. I was waiting for it. I was like, what number is he going to put it on? Had to be number one, didn't it? Well, that's what happens when you work from home, and you just get sidetracked, don't you? Yeah, mate. Oh, well, I've done five minutes' work.

Time for a reward. That's today's top six. That's today's top six. Lonely Planets have released their top ten countries, top ten regions and top ten cities. We're not on any of those. None of them. Didn't New Plymouth come second in this?

Well, they seem to do all these kind of lists, don't they? I know that the crossing, the Puakai Crossing, yeah, that was on the list one year and that's just gone gangbusters ever since. Yeah. Right. Well, this year, this is Best in Travel 2020

so this is good ideas for maybe a getaway next year. I'll give you the top 10 countries to visit. So 10 is Uruguay. Uruguay. I was waiting for that. You been there? No, but so is that above Argentina?

You know, I get South America America and what's the other one? Africa confused. Yeah, it's above, it is. Yeah, because Costa Rica is up there. What does guay mean? I don't know. Para and euro. Yeah, yeah, but I'm just wondering if guay, you know,

there's all the stands and that means like land. I've had a friend that's gone and said it's quite nice. It's a nice country. Right. Okay, cool. It's a great review. Is this friend trustworthy? My friend said

it was real cool. He said it was real cool. He had a real good time. I'm going to go then. My mind's wind. Number nine is Morocco. Okay. I like Moroccan food.

I love Moroccan spice that you buy from the supermarket. Oh, well, there you go. Let's go. Can't be bad. Number eight is Liberia. Liberia. Okay. I don't know.

I don't think I knew about that place. What's that? I know about Libya. It's a country in West Africa. Liberia. Yes. It was actually how weird that was on a show I'm watching. Okay.

I never really heard too much about Liberia either, but it was on Jack, what was that show I'm watching? Jack Ryan. And they dug up an Ebola victim and I think they're going to weaponise Ebola. Are you still on season one of Jack Ryan? Yeah. Season two's like out in a week.

Is it? Yeah. I'll be ready for it. Good timing. I went into this thinking it was a documentary and you see Doug up in Ebola victim. I was like, whoa. No, no, no, no, no.

It's a Tom Clancy character, right? Yeah. So it's on the coast. Beach towns. Oh, lovely. Ebola victims. Ebola victims. Lovely.

In fictitious TV shows, yes. Number seven is the Netherlands. Oh, yeah. Always a good time there. Number six is Costa Rica. Yeah, beautiful country. That's where I saw a jaguar in the wild. Oh, yeah.

And sloths, monkeys. It's an incredible country, yeah. I need help with number five. Okay. E-Swatini, which. I need help with number five. Okay. East Swatini. Which used to be Swaziland? Is it not called Swaziland

anymore? East Swatini. Small e, capital S. East Swatini. Hang on, I've just tried to Google. I've got East Waikato. No. Down the bottom, near the bottom of Africa. Okay. Yeah. That looks good. Hippopotamuses. Oh, okay the bottom of Africa. Okay. Yeah. That looks good.

Hippopotamuses. Oh, okay. I'm done. I just need one cool thing in the country that I'm visiting. Hippopotamuses? I'm going. I'm there. Number four, Aruba by Jamaica.

Ooh, I want to take it. Number three is North Macedonia. Oh, okay, Macedonia. There's number three top ten countries to go to. That's East Europe, eh? Yeah, up above Greece. Yeah, right. Number two I feel like is going to be controversial.

England. What? Maybe because it doesn't seem very exotic to us. It's just like England. Has it got some stuff happening this year? I mean, London's cool to visit, isn't it? But, I mean, you've got every other country in the world to choose from. Yeah. That's weird. Yeah, they said timeless treasures

and wow factor for England. Okay. And the number one country to visit according to Lonely Planet is Bhutan. Bhutan? Okay. What do they say about Bhutan? Bhutan. Is that the place that has puffins?

No No, God no Megan Oh no, that's Norfolk That's What? Norfolk Island doesn't have puffins Doesn't it? Puffins are like Arctic

Oh, I don't know Like Iceland Iceland Right If you like mountains and like snow Yeah, it's eastern Himalayas Untamed nature. Go dragon on their flag.

Oh, they do too. Tibetan horns. Okay. That's what you're going to find in Bhutan. So that would be good for hiking. I'd imagine there'd be lots of nice hiking around there. Does that mean cold? So you're not going to sunbathe in Bhutan?

No. You'd have to take your Kathmandu puffer jacket, that's for sure. Oh, I don't know about that. Oh, because of Kathmandu. Oh, you'd go MacPak then. Yeah, right. Or just put sure. I don't know about that. Are they? Oh, because of Katmandu. Oh, you go MacPak then. Yeah, right. We'll just put a sticker

over the Katmandu label. Yeah, Katmandu's a, well, Nepal's a country over. There's one in between them. What happens if you wear your Katmandu jacket at Katmandu? Are they just like,

nice? Nice. ZM's Fletch, Vaughan and Megan, the podcast. The cyber security people, McAfee? McAfee. Oh, yeah. McAfee? McAfee. Oh, yeah.

McAfee. McAfee. That guy that started that company, he sold it, but then he went all crazy, didn't he? Isn't he on the run? There's a documentary about him. Murder. John McAfee.

Murder. There's murder involved, Megan. Good Lord. It's crazy out there. It's a bananas old world we live in. Is his name John McAfee? Yeah. So it's named after him.

Yeah. Right. Are you Googling? Do you want me to wait or shall I tell you what? No. Well, he's still missing. Right. Is he?

He's still missing at the moment. Yeah. Wow. So McAfee have crowned their most dangerous celebrities on the internet for 2019. So what this means is when you are looking for stuff online that involves these celebrities. Nudes? I mean, I guess. This has more to do with like TV shows and like pirating TV shows,

which will become apparent when I read you the most dangerous celebrities. Because a lot of them are in popular TV shows. So this would be if you're trying to download a show or you're googling about the celebrity. Yeah. Okay. You can find things that will attach malware and malicious links to they attach it to famous people so when you look up any content to do with them. Photos

videos, TV shows. They got you. They've got you. So there is a list of 10 people, actresses. Number 10 is Tessa Thompson. Yep. She was in Thor. She's Marvel, yeah.

Okay. She was Valkyrie in Thor Ragnarok and a bunch of other stuff. Nicki Minaj is number nine. Okay. Lil Wayne is number eight. Jackie Chan is number seven. So people just looking up. Maybe appealing to a Chinese audience.

Martial arts. Yeah. Fans. Jimmy Fallon is number six. Ew. Okay. What do you mean? I just don't like him.

Don't you? Nah. He's so endearing. It's lovely. He's not my favourite of all the late night. It goes Colbert, Kimmel.

Kimmel's pretty great. And then see, I'd even go Seth Meyers over. Yeah, Seth Meyers is good. Conan O'Brien's good. Yeah. What about James Corden? Oh, I see.

Tied James Corden and. She doesn't like James Corden. I don't like James Corden. Quote, too much singing. Trevor Noah. Oh, yeah. He's up there. He's up there.

Yeah, he's number one. You know how I feel about him. Lupita Nyong'o, she is number five. Getting into the top four, so these are the four most dangerous celebrities to Google online. Four is Anna Kendrick. Okay.

Sophie Turner is number three. Obviously, Game of Thrones situation there. Number two is James Corden. Really? Second most dangerous, because he's like movies as well. I mean, a few movies. And do you think because he does so many videos that people would want to Google? Yeah.

Like carpool karaoke, that's a good way for people to kind of attack you cyber wise. Gotcha. The number one most dangerous celebrity to Google online is an actress. And she's from a big TV show not Game of Thrones though. Okay. Handmaid's Tale Alexis Bledel Bledel

and Gilmore Girls. Why? That's my yeah Gilmore Girls Sisterhood of the Travelling Pants Yep. And Handmaid's Tale.

I hadn't thought about Handmaid's Tale. Of Glenn? She's an of. Right. Yeah. So she's the most dangerous one to look up. They'll attach all the viruses to her.

Wow. Okay. I just Googled Little Wayne because he's on the list. Nothing's happened. There's just a whole lot of links to MTV, Little Wayne HQ, Twitter, Wikipedia. Right. But then if I go to page two, do you reckon that's where it starts getting? Because I'm thinking this isn't my computer.

Deep dive. Deep dive. At the bottom you can go like straight to page 5 yep can you still do that rather than just go

next page you can go straight to page 5 yeah I can go to no I'll go to page 8 you can go on what you got there

nah TMZ CNN just the old news just junk yeah just news yeah right boo where's the danger where's the excitement

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A new documentary is coming out. It's going to be on HBO Max. It's called 15 Minutes of Shame. It's called 15 Minutes of Shame. A take on 15 Minutes of Fame. Everyone gets their 15 minutes, but this is more about public shaming. Now, fronting this documentary, Monica Lewinsky and Max from Catfish,

the MTV show Catfish. Now, is he the one of the Catfish guys that got publicly shamed? Is this why this is happening? No, Max is the silver fox. Right, and it was Neve. Neve. The other one that had a bit of a... Well, what happened?

I can't even remember. Someone accused him of sexual assault. It was one of the people who went on the Catfish show. She had an account of what happened. Right. But I don't think that it could be proven

and it kind of... Right. ...blew over. Yeah. And of course, Monica Lewinsky, this was what, end of the 90s. She was an intern with then-President Bill Clinton. Yeah. And of course, Monica Lewinsky, this was what, end of the 90s. She was an intern with then President Bill Clinton. Yes.

And they had sexual relations and he was impeached. Yes. Even after he said he did not have sexual relations. Yeah, that's true with that woman. She remained president whereas she was and still is the punchline of jokes. I think she's done a TED Talk. She's done a lot of talks about it. And it's quite interesting hearing her side of jokes. I think she's done a TED Talk. She's done a lot of talks about it. And it's quite interesting hearing her side of things.

She was basically just shamed. Forever. Still is. Still to this day. 1998 till now. Yeah. So, you know, two decades of continuous harassment. And anywhere she went, she said people recognised her.

She was the most recognisable face for a while in the world. This was before social media. This will be an interesting documentary. I would say she was the first person, the internet really got on board with general across the board public shaming. Yeah, right. Making fun of and

bullying. So she said now we can recognise that what happened was a gross abuse of power but for a long time all through my 20s and everything all I had to do was fight the untruths that painted me as an unstable stalker and a servicer

in chief to the president at the time. This will be an interesting doc. So what are they going to just talk to random They look at the bullies, the bystanders the media, they talk to just talk to random? They look at the bullies, the bystanders, the media. They talk to psychologists, politicians, experts, and they're going to kind of look at it from all angles to see what's, you know, the whole situation with it.

I've always thought that would be a good TV show or a good, like, documentary where they track down just online trolls and then just go and hang out with them and you get to know them. Didn't they do that? Didn't they do Hater? H-A-T-E-R and they'd just turn up at people's houses and be like, oh, hey you called this person a

bunch of derogatory terms they're here. Do you want to say that to their face? I mean, I don't think you could probably change their mind. I think they'd be really underwhelmed with what you found though because like they just wouldn't think anything of it. They'd be like, yeah, blah, blah, blah, chuck it out there. Yeah.

They don't really consider what they're doing to be that damaging. It's like bringing other people down. What happened to that TV show? Hater. Yeah, Hater or whatever it was called. Did you imagine a TV show, Bourne? Not. Did I?

No, I don't think I did, but I think it was one of those ones where they'd turn over the people's houses and no one would sign the release forms because they drop balls. Yeah, yeah.

Because when you have to look at someone in the face... And then it shows you on television being a dick. It's different to hiding behind your keyboard.

Yeah, it really is. That'll be an interesting TV show. So what, filming at the moment, underway? Yeah. It's different to hiding behind your keyboard. Yeah, it really is. That'll be an interesting TV show. So what, filming at the moment, underway? Yeah. It's going to be an HBO documentary. ZM's Fletch, Vaughan and Megan, the podcast. A woman who was on home detention for fraud, she skipped out on her home detention.

That means that she left the address that she was confined to. Because what are the rules? You have to wear that ankle bracelet, right? Sexy bracelet. The sexy monitoring bracelet. Sexy monitoring bracelet. Are you allowed to go out at all? Like, ever?

Some of them can be modified. You might get work exceptions. Yeah, work exceptions. And you have, like, curfews and stuff. Right. Yeah. Because I've seen a guy at the gym. He hasn't been there lately, but he always used to wear a big sock over his. Well, that's good. You'd see his ankle bracelet. Keeping it a bit discreet. Yeah. Because I've seen a guy at the gym, he hasn't been there lately, but he always used to wear a big sock over his.

Well, that's good. You'd see his ankle bracelet. Keeping it a bit discreet. Yeah. In the Home D arena. I probably would have worn track pants if I wanted to be completely discreet. But hey, you can see her jiggling under a track pant. You want a nice thick sock to hold that down.

You're working out at the gym. Okay. Yeah. So she skipped out to attend a, any guesses? First of all, any Yeah. So she skipped out to attend a, any guesses? First of all, any guesses on what she, what she skipped out to?

A sporting match. It's obviously humorous. Not a sporting match. Megan? Like to get her eyebrows done. No. To go out clubbing. Spray tan.

Oh, that would suck because you've got a little tan line. It's quite like, quite mundane. Not even as exciting as a brunch. Groceries like... A Sunday brunch. Quite mundane. Nah, not even a Sunday brunch. Groceries. A Tupperware party.

Wow. Do people still go to Tupperware parties? Yeah, I believe so. Why don't you just go to the supermarket and get Sistema from the warehouse or something? Maybe you get deals. Well, you've had a dribbly coleslaw in your bag. You know, Sistema's do love a dribbly coleslaw.

The dice you roll when you get a Sestima. Sitting in a lounge and having hors d'oeuvres with your mates is more fun than going to the supermarket to buy your Tupperware.

And then, oh, you know what? What? We can speak momentarily on Tupperware and this is in no way a paid endorsement,

but how good were those beetroot drainers when you were a kid? Mum did have some Tupperware. She had a beetroot drainer and you'd pull it up and you'd be like, pull up the elevator and it would have the beetroot on it and you were a kid. Mum did have some Tupperware. She had a beetroot drainer and you'd pull it up and you'd be like, pull up the elevator

and it would have the beetroot on it and you'd be like, I'll have that beetroot, that one, that one and then you'd push it back down so that the beetroot wouldn't dry out

but you didn't have to keep them in the tin. That's actually genius. Or the AG preserving jar. Yeah. But I feel like it's not as big as it was when we were like kids.

But anyway, they're obviously still happening so what do I know? Tupperware parties. So what, she should have been on Home D. Yep. She went to a tupperware party. Two weeks later, she went to a school, a medical centre and a chemist.

And then her FBOS card says at 1.36 on July 9th, she stopped at the Wairau Valley TAV. So, so much for home detention. Yeah, well, she's just not aware how it worked. Like, as long as she was at home. Yeah, she's leaving quite a big electronic trail.

Yes. And, of course, you've got a GPS tracker on you the whole time, so. They've put up photos of Tupperware, another great Tupperware invention with those homemade popsicle things.

Oh, yeah, we had those. I've got some of those. Yeah, and you'd put the juice in and then, yeah, how's it different when you make an ice block? Because I remember making our own out of Raro,

but you'd suck on the ice block and the flavour would be gone lickety split and then you'd just be left with an icy stick. Yeah, you have to chuck that out. Well, being on Home D is pretty much the adult version of being grounded.

Yes. And I was wanting to take some calls this morning on where you went when you were supposed to be grounded. What you did when you were grounded. We didn't really get, did you ever really get grounded? No, I didn't get grounded. We lived in the country. Just got smacked. We just got a hiding and then that was it.

My parents just wouldn't take us places and we'd be like, well, we can't go anywhere anyway because we live in the country. I feel like, Producer Caitlin, you would have been grounded in your time. Did you get groundings? What did you get grounded for? I was actually a really goody good and then I was like, screw this, I'm going to be naughty for like a week or something. Yeah.

And then I just like ran away to the, we had like a tank that was up the end of our road. So I like put stuff in a bag and ran away up to the end of the road and said I was running away from home. To a water tank. Then I just sat at the water tank, yeah. Right, okay.

And no one came for you? And then you got hungry and you went home? Yeah, they didn't even care at all. Yeah, classic. But were you grounded after that? Yeah. But then on the farm, it's like, where are you going to go anyway? Yeah, we were going to go in Fairleigh.

I was in Fairleigh, but I was actually really upset to be grounded because I was a real goody good. I'd upset mum and dad. You'd upset your parents. I had. And that line was passionate enough. Yeah. Cool story. Great story from Caitlin there. I'm glad we used that 30 seconds

to cross to you, Caitlin. Alright, 0800 dials at M. We're going to take your calls now, and your text message is 9696. What did you do? Where did you go when you were supposed to be grounded? A woman broke her home detention rules by leaving her home, where she was detentionised, to go to a Tupperware party. So we want to know from you, when you were grounded, where did you go? Where did you sneak off to? leaving her home where she was detentionised to go to a Tupperware party.

So we want to know from you, when you were grounded, where did you go? Where did you sneak off to? Where did you skedaddley, skedaddley-daddley? Somebody texted me and said that they were grounded because they had to study for seventh form exams. Okay. They went to cup day races instead. Got drunk and won $250.

My dad saw me on the TV waving my arms around with a tie on my head. Wow. Brilliant. My mate and I snuck out when we were grounded. And while we were out, we met Stan Walker and got a photo. Mum's a massive Stan Walker fan, but obviously we couldn't tell her. Oh, no. About the time we met Stan Walker because of the grounding.

Just tell her you met him like a couple of days later when you weren't grounded. Or could you think you can never tell her? Maybe it was an event though. He was holding that day's newspaper. Like a person who had been kidnapped. Yeah. Hania, what

happened? So my best friend's little sister was at a party, a little teeny boppers party, and I got a call that we had to go pick her up. So we picked her up, we took her home, and then we went to go check her room. Five minutes later, she had jumped out of her padlocked window. They just threw themselves through,

and they had to go all the way back up to the party. So she was grounded. You got her home you're like, you are grounded and you padlocked her window? Well, no, like you know those safety locks that go on the kids' windows? Oh, yep, yep. Okay, so that they don't jump out. They go on the kids' windows.

Yeah. It's to keep people out to a certain age, then it's to keep them in. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I had to walk back up to the party to go find her and then I had to, like, trick and Fiona style her, throw her over my shoulder and carry her back to the car. And then was she grounded for good after that or did she get back out?

Oh, yes. Oh, yes. She was definitely not jumping out that window again. No, because you tased her. That's the next logical step. It is. Panya, thanks for your call. Shauna, where did you go when you were grounded?

I went next door to my nana and granddad's house. Okay. So they were really well located. I didn't have to go far. Yep. But the specific time was when I said a swear word and my mum washed my mouth out with soap. But she was like the hardcore one.

Like, she would put the soap in your mouth and push your jaw up. Oh, my God. Pull it out. So the soap would get stuck behind your teeth. Yes. Oh, my. So you got soap and a grounding. Yeah.

So I jumped out my window and ran next door to Grandad, who just fed me up with lollies to get rid of the soap taste. Yes, Grandad. Oh, great, Grandad. Although Mum with lollies to get rid of the soap taste. Yes, granddad. I'll play granddad. Although mum probably learnt that off granddad anyway. Yeah, probably. They didn't like it when they did it to their granddaughter though. No.

Shauna, thanks for your call. I got grounded for getting suspended from school for driving on my learner's licence and taking a carload of people to get McDonald's. So my mum grounded me for a week. So I was like, I'm going to move and live with dad, where I did. And I was no longer grounded. And dad let me

drive around on my learner's. Great parenting there. Great parenting. Dad was loose. Dad's a little bit looser. My sister and I were grounded, but there was a party at the end of our street. And it was the talk of all the kids in the neighborhood. So we were grounded and we decided we're going to leave it till late. We jumped out the bedroom window.

Now, mum and dad heard us and dad saw us. And mum said, leave them. I've got this. My sister and I were at the party for about an hour. We thought they definitely don't know we're here. We've got away with it. That's when mum showed up. Curlers in her hair.

Painted on blue face pack. Full length red nightie with embroidered fluffy edges. Yes, yes, yes. Fluffy slippers. And a ciggy hanging out the corner of her mouth. She knocked loudly then entered calling our names, full names in every room. And when she found us, she paraded us through the crowd. Oh, my God.

That is a brilliant parental move. Good. How good is that? You are taking the power back. Can you please do something like that when your kids are old enough? Oh, definitely. You've got to embarrass them. Oh, definitely.

Face mask, rollers in your hair. Yeah. Full noise. Just open road. Oh, yeah. Even better when it's dad that turns up with rollers. Fleshfawner Megan, Vaughan and Megan. The podcast.

ZM. Megan, tell us about this idea you've had. So, Vaughan. I have just. Well, no. I'm here. Megan, carry on. Fletch and Vaughan.

My cafe. Do you guys know I own a cafe with my husband? He's gone on about it a little bit. Yeah. I have noticed. Are you playing a game? Yeah, he's been playing it all morning. I didn't want with my husband. You've gone on about it a little bit. I have noticed. Are you playing a game? Yeah, he's been playing it all morning. I didn't want to tell you.

I'm multitasking. You're literally playing it while I'm talking to you. It's a Star Wars nerd shit. Don't throw that. That'll break. We are on the radio. You're multitasking. You'd never have known.

You've cost me a quick battle there. It's a cafe, so it's open during the day. And then it closes at like three. Yeah. But we've done a night, a special evening before where we open and have like, it was a burger night. So we've decided we want to do another nighttime event. Okay. This time.

Yeah. Chaka Wangs. Yes. Chaka This time. Yeah. Chicken wings. Yes. Chicken wings. It's a winning formula. It's a winning formula. Chickens are born with wings and they happen to be delicious.

We love wings. So there's this place in America that I've been to a couple of times. I think it's called Wing Stop or Wing Something. Okay. And all they do is like, it's like a sports kind of bar feel,

but all they do is wings. Okay. And you have this menu and there's like 30 different flavours that you pick from. What's it called? I think it's called Wingstop. You just said that. I literally just said that. And you weren't even playing your game to be distracted from our conversation.

No, I was just distracted by wings. Are you playing it online now? No, I'm looking at Wingstop. Yeah, wingstop.com. It's kind of like a franchise. So it's like a McDonald's, but there's not as many as McDonald's. But, oh my God, it's amazing. Holy bananas.

You have wings in America and they're the size of like drumsticks here, so I don't know what they're injecting their chickens with. These are their flavours. Okay. Hawaiian. Yep. Sweet and tangy, but not hot. Yep. Next up on the hot scale, garlic parmesan.

I think it goes up on a scale of not hot to very hot. Yeah, savoury garlic, buttery parmesan, chan, cheese. Lemon pepper's got one flame. Hearty pepper and zesty lemon. Because my mum would be like... Yeah. What's that? Parents kind of stop at pepper, don't they?

White mums. It's black pepper. Pepper. Oh, I need to speak to the manager about hot sauces. Is this paprika? What is this? Flavoured with salt? It's too much for me.

Hickory smoked barbecue is two flames. Bold, smoky, sweet and rich. But you see what I mean. Mild Louisiana rub is a crispy dry rub with a hint of garlic and some Cajun love. Next up, spicy Oh my God, spicy Korean barbecue.

How many flavours do you think? Just estimating there. I'd say 10. At least 10. Yeah, 10. They've got a wings calculator. I thought it was more like 20. How many in your crew?

Okay, let's just say three of us. How hungry are we? Starving. Given that though, here's my predicament. I've been doing wings research. Like what's the best flavour and how to do it. So me and my husband have had an argument, just a mild argument. Mr. Toyboy.

Did you say something like, shut up, you don't even know wings? I did say, I think that our whole show is, like, well-versed in how to do a wing. Because we all love wings. We always get wings. But here's my issue. This is, I'll tell you the two scenarios and you say which you like better. I won't tell you who's whose. So just a straight up wing, deep fried,

and then you have the dipping sauce options. Okay? Okay. Or the other option is to put like a dry rub batter on it, then deep fry it, and then you have the sauce and the dipping options. So one has like a crummy batter. A dry rub batter.

So not like. It has egg and then a crumb and then it goes into the deep fry. Like you're making a schnitzel. It comes out looking a little bit like a KFC kind of scenario. Did your mum ever use that chicken coating stuff? Yes. Coat and cook. Yes. And you shake it in the bag.

That was bougie for mum, eh? That's yum. The coat and cook. It's actually really yum, yeah. Do. And you shake it in the bag. That was bougie for mum, eh? That's yum. The Codon Cock. It's actually really yum, yeah. Do they still make that? Yeah. Diamond make it, the blue box. Yeah.

Oh my God, that was, I haven't had that for literally since I lived at home. So yum. Really? Yeah. Have you not? Like I'm just. I can't remember what flavour mum would get, but it was always a chicken thighs in an oven bag.

Why don't you just go for the Codon Cock? I say, there is a lot of pressure because you're getting people to come to your cafe for a special night of wings. Bottomless. Really? Bottomless wings. I'm booking a table. You have made a big mistake, my friend.

But you're really saying we know our wings. I know. So, yeah, no, this is why research has to be done. Does it have a batter or does it not have like a coating? Anya, could you do a poll? Battered wings or non-battered wings? Because I'd just like to see. Coating, no coating.

You've got to have coating. But even, it's all in the sauce. Dipping sauce is a given. It's all in the sauce. Mr. Toyboy's idea, why not do a dry rub pre-deep fry? But won't it come off? No. But that's what.

Not if you rub, you've got to rub it. That's kind of what the other one is. It's just got egg first so that the rub sticks to it. But then I thought the argument was more a crumbed coating, which is what you're saying, versus a dry rub. Then you get the flavour underneath the deep fryer, involved in that,

and then when it comes out, get into some sauce. But see, I don't think people care. They just love wings. As long as it's got a good sauce on it and lots of sauce. Right. If you ordered some wings, right, at a place and they come to you, do you expect them to have

some kind of crumb coating or not? You're not interested in providing options when you do your bottomless wings night? Dude, I'm going to be cooking so many wings. I don't have time for too many options. Do you have two deep fries? Three. You could do three times a week.

Yeah. I'll help. This isn't going to be like the time I went to the... Are you actually? I'll pay you in wings. I would man the kitchens. I would man the kitchen. This isn't going to be like the time we went to that place

that did bottomless wings and we ended up waiting an hour and Vaughn was so... I've never seen Vaughn so grumpy. Well, we were in a hurry. We were all foul about that. Come on, let's move. And then they keep giving us chippies and we're like, we're not here for the chippies. Chippies are yum, but.

I didn't come and fill up on chippies, my friend. Stop trying to fill us up on potatoes. We want chicken. Yeah. Didn't you go to the kitchen window and ask them where our wings were? What are we looking at here? How's the weight? Do you need a hand?

But they had a one and a half hour window and we'd used an hour waiting. Yeah. It wasn't planned that way. But see what I mean? We know our wings. So you've and we'd used an hour waiting. Yeah. It wasn't planned that way. But see what I mean? We know our wings. So you've got a lot of pressure on you. Yeah. You've got three deep fries.

Yeah. I mean, it's your cafe, but what about if we had a wing off? Yeah. Each of us come up with a wing option and then we see which one's the most popular. Oh, no. I don't want to lose. Mate, Fletch does so. And whoever wins gets- You do the no coating

No I I feel like you're the basic babe Whoever wins gets the pink slip to the cafe What's the pink slip to the cafe? She's like doing Fast and Furious Fast and Furious Whoever loses the race gets the other ones You have to give them the pink slips

Which is the ownership papers Okay yeah right So you'd then own the cafe But I don't want to own the cafe I'd give it back but I just want you to know. Race for pink slips. Anya has done a quick poll

and 83% of people that have responded just now have said needs coating. Yes. That's my people. Because sometimes if I have wings and there's no coating

and good sauce it's a waste of time. They've got to be saucy. You've got to have so much sauce on your wings you don't know what's going on. But then you don't want your coating, your battery coating to peel off and get all soggy.

It doesn't. It doesn't peel off. No, but listen to what she's making a coating out of. No, I don't want to tell you because it's a secret. Oh, it's a secret. It's because it doesn't burn. No, it's a special coating so it doesn't burn because they have to cook for 15 minutes.

Dame Sanders. What? Colonel Sanders. You. Dame Sanders. What? Colonel Sanders. You're Dame Sanders. I couldn't think of a... I suppose a female equivalent of a colonel is a colonel. A coloneless. Lieutenant.

You could go army titles. Countess. Countess Sanders. Oh, I like Countess. Countess Sanders. Yeah. Okay, well, you do that. Excellent.

Okay. And book me a table too. I'm not missing out. Buffalo wings from Buffalo, New York. The rule was they deep fry the wings with nothing on them. Right. It's all in the covering of the buffalo sauce afterwards. Yeah.

Interesting. And that's a good sauce. Well, you should do some tests. God, I'm so into this. Yeah. If I ordered wings, reads another text, if I ordered wings and they didn't come out full marinade as well as sauce. Yeah, no, there's a full marinade.

That's definitely happening. Yeah, okay. And a dipping sauce. That's definitely happening. But it's whether it has a coating crumb, pre-deep fry or no coating. Or a dry rub. God, this is so stressful. Good luck.

I want chicken now. Yeah. Yum. You know you'll absolutely hear about it. Are we running a focus group? We should run a small focus group. I'm willing to be I want chicken now. Yeah. Yum. You know you'll absolutely hear about it. Are we running a focus group? We should run a small focus group. I'm willing to be in the focus group. Yeah.

Okay. And I expect a friend's discount too for this Wednesday night. That's not happening, Fletch. Oh. No discount. Isn't it? Fact of the day comes from a study called More Sneezing, Less Crime, Health Shocks and the Market for Offences

Okay, this was from the Journal of Health Economics Yeah was from the Journal of Health Economics. Yeah. And they say, basically, there's always been a lot of exposure, a lot of writings, a lot of findings about how if you're exposed to criminal activity from a victim's point of view, there's far-reaching effects on public health. You've got PTSD. You've got, you know, just living in fear and that can lead to sleep deprivation, which we know is really bad for our health.

But somebody said, is there something that flips it around? Is there something that looks at the effect of crime? No, the effect of health on crime. Right. Not crime on health. And indeed there is. And it was found that during high pollen days, US cities experienced a severe drop in criminal activities. Hay fever is a crime deterrent.

Okay, so you should have lots of flowers around your home if you don't want it burgled. Yes. Because you'll start sneezing. Yes, yes, yes. You'll live in the middle of a pine plantation. Brilliant. Oh, what are those other, you get a bit of hay fever,

I hear, Magooz. What's the worst? Is it privet? It's pollen. There's a tree, right? Yeah, there's a tree. And it's like a weed and it's called like a privet tree or something. It's horrible.

We've got some around our place slowly getting them down. But, man, like one day I was just looking at this tree. I was like, what kind of tree is this? And a gust of wind went shake and the tree was just like a chew and just dropped yellow powder everywhere. I was like.

That's the stuff. Yeah. That's awful. Because both you, Megan, and intern Anya have these cute little sneezes and you're always sneezing. Phew.

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Pikachu Pikachu Pikachu Pikachu Pikachu She's finished by then. Yeah. So they measured, this was just two different figures that they put together. They found days where there was big dips in crime reported in US cities.

And then they were like, well, what's causing this? And they tried it against a whole lot of graphs and they found that those days actually correlated with high pollen count days. Interesting. Yeah. Criminals have hay fever, I guess. Like the rest count days. Interesting. Yeah. Criminals have hay fever, I guess.

Like the rest of us. Great. What's the thing you take? Antihistamine. Yeah, but what's the... Telfast. Oh, the Telfast. Telfast.

Yeah, what's the brand? Is that the brand of the one that's supposed to be ads? Yeah. The Telfast. So if you are thinking of committing some crime... Pop a Telfast. It is. are thinking of committing some crime, pop a Telfast. It is. We are getting, not at the moment,

but you know, when it dries out a little bit and the pollen count gets up dangerously high, you might want to pop a couple of Telfasts. Brilliant. Don't let Telfast be stoked to be associated with this kind of criminal activity. Don't let a high pollen count get in the way of your criminal activity.

Pop a Telfast. Because don't some local radio stations do a pollen report? Yeah. You know they do. Today the UV index is five. Slip, slop, slap and rap. And today's pollen is six. So you're probably already bleeding from the eyes

and incapable of breathing and your ears are blocked up with a waxy mucus. Have a great day out there. Pop a towel fast. And get back to your criminal activity. Thanks to Kevin's local pharmacy on High Street. Which was robbed, actually, incidentally, last week by some criminals who had just popped a towel fast.

Yeah. So I guess that's what you call the circle of life, Kevin. Enjoy your pharmaceuticals, buddy. So today's fact of the day is high pollen count leads to lower crime count. Fact of the day, day, day, day, day. There's been a Trade Me survey and they've found that all of us are hoarders. Well, Vaughan's probably hoarding his fair share of someone else's stuff. Yeah, that's true. So they've done a survey,

and they've found that everyone had 15 used and unused things, and they have said that there is approximately 73 million secondhand items left in people's garages, spare rooms, cupboards around the country that are no longer used but are still usable. Wow. I mean, they would say this because they want you to sell it on Trade Me.

Yeah, they also said the secondhand economy is growing. Yeah, so sell it on Trade Me. But then Facebook Marketplace is taking off because you don't get the... I have never used that. Neither. I always see it pop up, but I know loads of people do.

And especially for things like phones, because if you sell a secondhand iPhone, you might get it like, I don't know, eight or 900 bucks, whatever. TradeMe is going to take a fair chunk of that in success fees. Yeah. So if you sell it on Marketplace, it's just a straight transaction, but then it's not as trustworthy. That's what I don't like about it. I don't trust it as much as trade men.

When we were in Nelson last week, because once upon a time there was a Land Rover factory in Nelson. I'm always on the look for Land Rover parts. I was like, this will be a hotbed for goodies. And then I was just going to do this thing, Megan, where I was like, guys, I've got these Land Rover parts so you have to get back to Auckland just so Fletch had an aneurysm in front of me.

But it said marketplace unavailable in this region. So is it not in all areas? Oh, I don't know. I just thought it was everywhere. Maybe it's only in main centres. Maybe. I'm not sure. Okay.

But every New Zealander has about $1,200. $1,200? That's the same, eh? $1,200. Worth of unused stuff. I'd like to think I'm pretty good with not hoarding stuff. I'm not. And I've gone through like, and I've had big clean outs.

I love minimalist. I love like Marie Kondo. If it's not bringing a spark in your joy, if you're not using it, chuck it out, get rid of it. I always put stuff, new stuff in my wardrobe and I'm like, oh my God, that dress. Still got tags on it and I've never worn it. And I forgot about it because my cupboard's jammed. And I'm always like, I should really go through my stuff and wear stuff that I haven't worn before because I forget.

Or sometimes you buy stuff online and it doesn't fit. It's a little bit tight and you're like, oh, this is totally going to fit because I'm going to be fitspo. Don't go. Yeah, so that's why it's still got tags on it. Because that time hasn't come yet. Oh, my God. That would just drive me crazy. Yeah. No, that time hasn't come yet. Oh, my God. That would just drive me crazy.

Yeah. No, my husband doesn't go in my wardrobe, thank God. He's got a different wardrobe. Otherwise, there would be hell to pay. Yeah. It would go horribly wrong. Yeah. But it's just clothes I hoard.

I don't hoard. Yeah. Your garage is a hoarder's heaven. Shut up. It is not. Have you been in his garage? Not since you've moved. It's like walking into a regional

antiques shop. No, it's not. It's great. Well, it's not at the moment because everything from our inside is in their garage, but I'm very proud of my current garage situation. Everything's got a spot and there's room on the floor. But if the average person's hoarding

about $1,200 worth of unused stuff. Easy. Easy. Easy. Five times that. ZM's Fletch, Vaughan and Megan.

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