2819 Church - Perfected By The Blood | Hebrews 10:11-25 | Arik Hayes

Episode Date: July 21, 2025

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You guys can have a seat Bless your name God bless your name bless your name Hey y'all give it up for my elder right here man, that's my That's my elder. Yeah. Yeah. Let me tell you something. To run a church, you need a team. You need people willing to put their hand to the plow. And we have leaders to do that. He ain't gonna,, well, I'm going to do it anyway, man. I just want to take some time out to tell you why.

I've been in church a long time. Not all leaders really want you to meet Jesus. Too many church leaders don't really care if you actually meet Jesus and Pastor Kenny Cares. He cares. And we are blessed to have you. All right, so welcome to 2019 Church Beloved. My name is Eric Hayes. I'm one of two elders.

God bless you. church beloved. My name is Eric Hayes. I'm one of two elders. God bless you. Amen. We are a church that is indeed a house of prayer, presence and proclamation. So, welcome our online community, digital disciples streaming in from all over the world. Just want to acknowledge you. We love you. We're playing for you. We pray for you. And also, last but not least, I want to welcome the unbeliever. Yeah, if it's your first time here, your unbeliever, why they clapping for me? Because we actually care. Like we actually, this whole 2819 thing, we keep plastering everywhere. It's actually a great commission to preach the gospel to the unbeliever

Because all of us at one time Were unbelievers You're like now nobody's God stuff at one time you would have never guessed it, but it's true And our prayer our aim our intentionality is set at preaching the gospel so that the Holy Spirit And our prayer, our aim, our intentionality is set at preaching the gospel so that the Holy Spirit will prick your heart and you actually, God gives you a measure of faith to believe in him.

Isn't that amazing? Isn't that an amazing plan? He comes to help from all these angles. Because he desires a relationship with you so much. So welcome. You can absolutely belong before you believe. Okay, and as customary, and I will continue to do this, I wanna honor the pastor of this ecclesia,

Philip Anthony Mitchell. Amen. Amen. Amen. Gonna give honor where honor is due right again It's not easy to be the leader of what many are calling a revival Right logistics spiritual matters

church things attacks from the enemy is all a part of the position And one that has put his hand to the plow and however many days he's been tempted to take it off. He's kept it on And I think for that he deserves honor All right, and as a church we are continuing to walk through the book of Matthew in a series we titled Entry and end times. However, I've been given another assignment to deliver a standalone message today, and it's been titled Perfected by the Blood. Perfected by the Blood.

Please bow your head, allow me to pray for us because we need his help. Holy, Holy Father. If you can't hear me, let me hear you. If you can't hear me, let me hear you. If you can't hear me, let me hear you. If you can't hear me, let me hear you.

If you can't hear me, let me hear you. If you can't hear me, let me hear you. If you can't hear me, let me hear you. If you can't hear me, let me hear you. If you can't hear me, let me and I thank you for your holy God, continue to work in the hearts of men, those that are seated here, those that are streaming in to glorify you

through the sun. Have your way. In the name of Jesus, we pray. Amen. All right. So if you know anything about the Old Testament, the children of Israel, they were very, very used to sinning, having to come up with some type of offering of some sort, goat, lamb, doves, whatever the prescription was in the old system that the Lord had commanded. Right? in the old system that the Lord had commanded. Right, so they would sin, they would do wrong,

and they would go to, and many times, Levitical priests, right? Because you just couldn't run up in the temple yourself. They knew not to do that, right? So the Levitical priesthood, they actually acted as a mediator between man and God. So man would sin, they would bring what was to be offered unto God, they would hand it off,

and then the priest would go to work. And they would just keep working and working because there was a lot of sin. That should encourage us. God is used to dealing with the sins of man. That should encourage us God is used to dealing with the sins of man He's been doing it for a long time Okay, and they will keep working and they keep ministering and and and this is like the backdrop of

Us jumping into the scriptures today With him going through Hebrews tip chapter 11 through 25th verse and we're gonna jump in at 11. And it starts with this, it says, and every priest stands daily at his service offering repeatedly the same sacrifices which can never take away sins right so really just kind of repeating what I was saying right so there will be offering for sin and there will be work from the priesthood and they will give the

offering and in a way it would appease God but it wouldn't like take care of the the total Of sin debt like you ever been like um In an argument with somebody y'all got beef and they try to squash you with you real quick and they try to end it But you ain't really ready for it. Like you just like Don't look at me like that. Like y'all always want peace. That's not true. That's not true You talking about somebody y'all got a little beef whatever Relationship friend it doesn't matter. It's like yo, man. I'm sorry and you like

All right, man They're trying to give you like a handshake to tap you up and you give them like a like weak lorries like I know how that you man gone like weak lorries like Alright now I'll let you man. Go on man It's like you you ain't done with them, but you ain't really feeling them either it's still beef there And now we're gonna make a comparison to that Levitical priesthood To when Christ comes on the scene Verse 12 it says but when Christ comes on the scene.

Verse 12, it says, but when Christ had offered for all time, say all time, a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God. All right, so this is a comparison. There was Levitical priesthood, the priest, and it was given like the bulls and goats. It was like a temporary appeasement, but it had not been completely dealt with. There wasn't really peace.

But here in verse 12, it says, but Christ made one sacrifice for all time and sat down at the right hand side of God. One sacrifice for the sins of the whole world. Everybody that had ever lived, everybody that is living now, everybody that will live on this earth, all of those sins piled on to Christ Jesus. This is the gospel. Once and for all, all time, all people, heavenly sat down at the right hand seat of the Father.

Sin debt paid. But you don't feel like that, so do you? Many of you, many of us. Well, he didn't, I have a special sin, no you don't feel like that, so do you? Many of you, many of us. Well, he didn't, I have a special sin, no you don't. I've done it so many times, so? Do you think that God did a whole plan and calculation for the plan of salvation and didn't calculate your sin in there?

Isn't that functionally what you're saying? Oh God, miss this one. Really? You wanna say that out loud? One time. After he sat down at the right hand side of the Father. Actually, let me give you the amplified version for 12. It says, whereas Christ having offered the one sacrifice, the all sufficient sacrifice

of himself, all sufficient, everything that was needed, he gave it to us in one package, one time on the cross, done. And it was himself. All sufficient. For all time. It says he sat down signifying the completion of atonement for sin so you know we were talking about the appeasement but it was still beef clean slate we don't know how serious my sin was yes he does that's why he sent his son to die. Yes. Yes.

He is absolutely aware of how serious it was. That's why Calvary was so gruesome. It was the sins of the whole world on Christ at that time. Come on. All of them. Then they say he sat down because his work was finished. Otherwise known as the finished work of Christ. I say even in another place in Hebrews, it's as we come back he's not coming to deal with sins again. He's already done that. Why don't you feel

that way in your soul? Some of y'all of Christ were to come back right now some of y'all be scared One hey if you can lay sin down do it right I get it right, but you're expecting judgment Because the king of king and all of his glory is coming you're expecting judgment because the King of Kings and all of his glory is coming you're expecting judgment but if you understand the gospel he already took the judgment on himself I said again he sat down at the right hand side of the father the position of honor Can I tell you something else where are we seated in? Christ also

At the position of honor, so you're expecting judgment when he placed you in honor. You see why we can't neglect the salvation of Jesus? You wanna get some crystals, you wanna some sage, nothing else will encompass your sin except the sacrifice of Christ Jesus our King It all will fail you And why are you looking for that anyway The lover of your soul has already done it in an all-sufficient way. Wow. Verse 13, it says, waiting from that time, after he sat down, waiting from that time

until his enemies should be made a footstool for his feet. Now, when you hear footstool in the American sense, in the West, you think like furniture. Right, you'll get like a love seat, whatever, and get a footstool. No, right, it's actually speaking more of, like in war times, like, you ever heard of the term like foot on they neck?

Anybody play sports, keep your foot on they neck fam. Let them come back. What you doing? Right, right right it's really like get the imagery of like a military like vanquished foes like like I got some thugs in the building you hear that over there they need to get on the street team Think that First 14 again, man For by a single offering

I'm gonna spend a little time here. So give me some grace For by a single offering he has perfected say perfected For all time say all time those who are being In a minute now wait a minute I you can say been at church all my life, but been perfected is past tense Those who are being sanctified present tense That's what it says, right? Sanctify. Sanctification is something that everybody goes through. The highest bishop, the person that just got saved on the other side of the world, right now.

You start the process of sanctification, which is, if I can give you a working definition being transformed and shaped and molded into the image of the Son Jesus Christ the perfect one but we all know we're not there yet are we raise your hand if you're there okay so no delusional people here. All right, we all know we're not there. But if you come back to the first part of the scripture, it says that we have been perfected. As a believer, when you mess up and you win some, you lose some, and you you still pressing into the gospel

You're pressing into Christ. You're still praying you win some you lose some you are being sanctified But Christ already sees you as perfected the father already sees you as perfected The Father already sees you as perfected. Let me nail it home some more. You'll never look more cleaner to God than right now. Never. Why? Never Why We've been perfected

That's why sin ain't the devil's business Do you understand what I'm saying when you sin it ain't got nothing to do with him in the sense of you don't report to him You're dealing with the accuser of the brethren no no no Okay, but I don't talk to you about my sin. I've already been perfected and now I'm being sanctified. I don't report to you no more. I'm not a part of your kingdom. I Read in the Amplified version 14. He says by four by the one offering he has perfected forever and completely cleansed

Those who are being sanctified bringing each believer to spiritual completion and maturity. So, so, so just hit me out. Baked into the plan of salvation is grace for you to get it together. And that what it says, right? Bring it to completion and maturity spiritually. That means you start here and you progress this way

our problem with some of us we feel as though because we're dealing with temptation that we're not progressing though because we're dealing with temptation that we're not progressing you ever felt that way I'm dealing with temptation can I free you just a little bit right so so along the ministry of Jesus Christ he was actually led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be what? Tempted. Sounds like in that sense, you're like Jesus. Being tempted is a part of the believer's experience. Now, when tempted, we have a choice. Do I want to walk in the flesh

and and and satisfy my fleshly desires or do I choose to by the grace of God and the Holy Spirit choose the Spirit even though I very much feel like doing something else and go with God. You like doing something else and go with God. The more we do this, the more we go towards spiritual maturity. But too many of us fall and give up. Or fall and take a six month break. Add them six months up.

You just stay with the Lord another 10 years. You got a tenure You sit here over on the bench you see how many people need to be saved we can't afford to have no soldiers on the bench If you say face your sin confess your, get back on the battlefield. Because he baked into salvation that you are already perfected as you are being sanctified. Y'all with me, beloved? Verse 15, and it says, and the Holy Spirit also bears witness to us,

for after saying, this is the covenant that I will make with them, verse 16, after those days declares the Lord, I will put my laws on their hearts and write them on their minds. Then he adds, I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more. Sometimes it's easier to believe a lie than the truth.

Isn't that inspired by the Holy Spirit? Didn't it say the Holy Spirit, the covenant was made that he would remember our sins. So who's bringing them back up? And I find myself like I feel this assignment. I work it out in front of you I feel like I'm assigned to preach the gospel to believers. Right because I think as I'm going around and hear me out right I think one of the major strategies of Satan is to break up the marriage. You ever been in a relationship

situation where like you really love the person like you really loved them, right? Y'all together y'all would look at each other and make cute eyes all that good stuff right Even dudes y'all been in love too. I get it Right and and especially dudes you loved her so much and she was so fine That she was wrong In the argument, but you still just wanted to get over it You've been there I know you tough hey listen I've been there too listen she was dead wrong

But she was so fine you just wanted to get you don't want to fight no more I just wanna I just wanna I just wanna hug you I just wanna I just wanna and I find myself saying no Let's just get over it. He loves you He loves you he's always saying I love you No, he will never agree with sin never but it never it never trounces his love It says we're where we're sin abounds grace super abounds. I Think it's the strategy of Satan to have you do the Christian life apart from unity in Christ I think it's the strategy of Satan to have you do the Christian life apart from unity in Christ

To have you try to get blessings from God favor grace all things from God apart from unity in Christ And we all know apart from Christ we can do nothing So I don't think he's necessarily trying to take you out of the church. He just don't want you to get that revelation. Verse 18, where there is forgiveness of these sins, there is no longer any offering for sin. Let me read it to you in the Ampl It says now where there is absolute forgiveness and complete cancellation of the penalty of these things

There is no longer any offering to be made to atone for sin Check me out like any y'all like ever you got a car and you didn't get it repossessed and you paid it all the way off? Some repossessions in the house, some people, some people was paying $5.75 for a Ford Taurus. It was a month, right? Right? But you got all the way through it, right right and what happens is if you've been there You actually get the deed from the bank It's yours It's paid off what if next month you were just like I Just feel like paying my 575

You got these real friends a yo fam that's 575 dollars why are you doing that the deed is here it's saying paid off I'm not just so used to paying 575 on the 20th I'm gonna I'm gonna send it in next month. Hey, my man. If they love you, that's hey, yo, my man. Let me holler at you. It's paid. It's paid. Well, somebody with credit like mine,

it's just, you know, it's 575. You see how insane that sounds? Look at the insanity in our walk when we read that the price has been paid. All right, guys. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you. But yet, we're expecting judgment for sins that he has made a covenant to remember no more Whose idea was it to make that covenant? Did you beg him to make that covenant he relented No It was his idea Did you beg him to make that covenant? He relented? No It was his idea Baked into the plan of salvation those that belong to Christ Jesus

Have been perfected Raise your hands if you belong to Christ Jesus I've been perfected. Raise your hands if you belong to Christ Jesus. Yes Lord. Glory to you. Repeat after me, say I've been perfected. I've been perfected. For all time. Thank you.

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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. the blood of Jesus. All right, now there's a comma there. That's not the end of the thought, but I wanna stop there. You can now have confidence to go into holy places.

That was not always the case. There were only like certain consecrated people that can go into the holy of holies. Everybody else knew what the deal was even like old school like Old Testament and Moses. He would go up the mountain Spend time with God so much so that his face would shine. I Don't say it scared the people. I said he actually wore a veil because people knew, check me out in some for all these lights and flashlights and cell phones.

There was like no electricity. His face is shining. I don't know if I want none of that. And then we'll actually say, say Moses you go here from the Lord We'll stay here and you come back down and tell us what he said Because he's so holy I don't know if I can face him or I can't face him He's him. But why do we have confidence according to the verse? By the blood of Jesus. You can't earn it.

You can't conjure it up. You can't earn it. You can't conjure it up. You can't manufacture it. There's nothing in your power that can really give you real confidence in a holy place of God. Except the blood. Now verse 20, and I'll be honest with you, family. I've been saved for some time here. I don't know if I've ever read this or if I read it,

it didn't hit me in the same place. So it's the continuation of verse 19, the same thought. Now we have confidence to enter into the holy places by the blood of Jesus, comma, by the new and living way that he opened for us through the curtain, that is, through his flesh. All right, so this new way of boldness, it's new because you didn't have access before, right? And it was the blood of Jesus, but it also says, he opened it up through the curtain, that is through his flesh.

And I thought about how on Calvary, his flesh was cut. On the whipping post, cat of nine tails crossed his back, pull it off, cut. Nails in his hand, nails in his feet, cut. The curtain was the flesh of Christ. Without that sacrifice on Calvary, we have no access. You know what we call our prayer experience?

Access, no! Not welcome. We just kind of roll out of bed and just pray to God. not welcome. We just kind of roll out of bed and just pray to God. God, I thank you. No, that's not for you anymore. Without that sacrifice, without the curtain being cut, which is the flesh of Christ.

You see why we just can't bypass him? You see why we just can't bypass him? You see why we just can't preach about him on Easter and Christmas? You see how we get into trouble and we always end up in religion if we try to have a relationship with God without him? We end up in a system that he's left The curtain this flesh you with me beloved Verse 21, we'll do 21 and 22 together And since we have a great priest over the house of God, Christ Jesus, it says, let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance, say full assurance of faith.

With our hearts sprinkle clean From an evil conscience and our bodies Washed with pure water when I looked up what that that sprinkle clean from an evil conscience one of the things that when we're bringing Sin and shame in our conscience into the presence of God. Those things should not reside in the heart of a disciple of the Lord Jesus Christ that's pressing into him. Now again, if you hear this and your first thought is, oh man, he forgave me, I'm just gonna go sin.

I'm going to Miami this weekend. This is what we're doing I'm gonna question whether you're saved I don't know god does but if you hear the goodness of the good news The goodness of jesus doing everything that he needed in an all-sufficient way to rescue you and you go ahead the other direction Something is off so I can't declare that you're not safe. I think it's calls for a conversation though But disciples now we can come into his presence You put your trust in somebody and they switched up on you You put all your trust out there, you know put them on you know i'm saying what they say You put your trust in somebody and they switched up on you You put all your trust out there you know put them on you know i'm saying what they say

You put your trust in somebody and they switched up on you You put your trust in somebody and they switched up on you Business, personal, don't matter. You put your trust in somebody and they switched up on you. You put all your trust out there. You know, put them on, you know what I'm saying? What they say like a little soft launch of a boyfriend or a girlfriend. They show like a hand.

Soft launch. It ain't even a husband or a wife. It's a boyfriend. We soft launching. That's real wild to me, but I'm gonna let y'all have it. Right, they do the soft launch, cause you put somebody out there, now you look crazy if they switch up on you.

So they show a hand, hopefully they ain't got no tattoos on it. Any identifying features, God don't treat us like that God don't switch up on us he didn't do all that was necessary on the cross to get us in this switch upon us now we can have full assurance of faith to boldly enter holy places man Like my baby girl, so I got twins I got four and all twins the baby girl the youngest of the family like she's to with some change and like just recently She just started saying like daddy daddy

But it should go like four or five times in a row like I'm like give me a chance to respond No, sir, she's like daddy daddy I'd like hey, hey, how you respond. I'm like, Daddy, Daddy. I'd be like, hey, how you doing? Right, but she's looking for me. If she wants to see me, she'll find herself wherever I am. She will come and see about her dad. You know what? She is convinced that if I'm in there,

she should be in there too It don't matter what I can be someone trying to counsel on YouTube I'll be on zoom or something like that. I could be in the rest. I could be anywhere She's like hey daddy daddy just come she just want to come in there this I Want a better view she'll get in my arms Boldly Now check me out She gets disciplined she gets in trouble, but she no longer has any consciousness of that She's not thinking about what she did yesterday all she knows she want to see her daddy

what she did yesterday. All she knows, she wanna see her daddy. And guess what? Her daddy is ready to receive her. Hallelujah. Yeah. Yeah. Guess what? I don't bring up her sins from yesterday.

Yes. All we talking about is what we doing right now. Sin conscious, Christ conscious. Iniquity conscious, blood conscious conscious We got to grow into that Verse 23 Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering. For he who promised is faithful. I'm gonna give it to you in the amplified. Let us seize and hold tightly the confession of our hope without wavering. For he who promised is reliable and trustworthy

and faithful to his word. He is reliable and trustworthy and faithful to his word. He is dependable. Dependable You know why it's so important to not be sin conscious and Christ conscious You put it in between you and God Listen if you just go on a pornography binge, how many of you just want to run into the presence of God? Or do you run the other way? And don't get quiet on me.

I know that one, statistically, one out of every two men is dealing with it in here, and one out of every three women. So I don't need to. I understand why I got quiet Just by math Okay, but I can talk about that shock I know how nasty it makes you feel After you're done, and I know you don't want to run into the presence of God It take that with any other sin if you're just going off and you're losing You're losing your self-control all the time or you are you are you are

Indulging in sin because you let your sin nature win It doesn't make you want to run into his presence Right now I need you to deal with it and also realize that it's already been dealt with It's been dealt with on the cross confess it with the Lord move on What you saying man, I think you trying to take sin lightly no, I'm not I realize how serious God dealt with it on the cross God dealt with it on the cross So much that he said his son to die on the cross that's how serious it is What I'm saying is the sin debt has been paid

So free you sitting in shame and guilt for another six months only benefits Satan See how strategy is against you? Because Satan is not omnipresent. He's not, God is, right? But what he has done has studied, he studied humanity for millennia. He knows that. Check it out. Look at how devious it is. He will literally know what you're going to want with your flesh, put it in front of you,

reel you in, reel you in, entice you to take it, then you take the bite and then it endures you and say you don't even love God And then he moves on because he knows if you don't know the gospel you can stay in sin and shame for years Does anybody hear me saying it's okay to just go and sin You don't hear me saying that do you? I'm just saying deal with it biblically We were purchased with a price. We do not give ourselves over to idolatry.

That is not what we've been made for. But if you do, you have an advocate with the Father. I'm gonna close here. And I'll close here. Verse 24. Let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works. Verse 25, not neglecting to meet together as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another and all the more as you see the day drawing near.

Leave 25 up. Most of the time in the Christian context, when we talk about meeting more, we primarily are just talking about experiences like this. This is good and necessary and keep coming, but don't limit it to this. You need to get up with your sisters like during the midweek or something like that.

We have squads now, we're trying to grow so we can get more of you guys in there right but I think man I was saying in the other experiences but I think there needs to be more sanctified girls trips right when you go to another city and you're with your sisters in Christ. And you encourage one another. And you hold each other accountable. And you stir each other up to good works. And you pray for one another. And you share your testimony

about how the Lord is bringing you over. Or you share your testimony. Man, I'm getting beat out here, man. How'd you get over this? How are you dealing with this? You know, it's beautiful about that You can if you say that you can open up three other people like yo, man I'm getting I'm getting hit by that too We all need to go to the feet of Jesus

Same with the fellas man, I want to say multiple times we've had some guys from our church they go to the mountains Same with the fellas man. I want to say multiple times. We've had some guys from our church they go to the mountains Encourage each other like have fun. I said it last experience. Listen man. Um, satan doesn't have a lock on fun Satan does not have a lock on fun Right and the fun that that you'll get in kingdom, you got to come back and repent from. Or worse, you'll be in bondage after it. Is that really fun? The church is salt and light. And although we're not always supposed to stay together in a huddle, it is good for us to come together, to strengthen each other, to help each other, to love on each other, to do the one another's.

Get some strength, then call break and go back into the world because they need the salt and light too. We need more of that. Especially as the day approaches, right? So I'm going to read 25, right? If you notice something here in verse 25, verse 25 I'll read it again says not neglecting to meet together as is the habit of some but encouraging one another and all the more as You see the day drawing near I Don't think I've ever seen this either right Lord showing us a lot of stuff that day is capitalized

Isn't that weird? Used to a Tuesday being capitalized or Wednesday or Friday being capitalized. You've never seen day capitalized like that. That day is referring to the day of Christ's return. Oh, he's coming back. And you better be found faithful and righteous in Christ. Can I tell you something? That'll help you walk the narrow that's why you're going to And he's coming back to get his church Those that belong to Christ Jesus That's one of the goals beloved Could check me out Pastor gonna come back, you know that wrath he was talking about beforehand If you don't make that day that the pastor's going to come back. You know all that wrath he was

talking about beforehand? If you don't make that day, that wrath is for you. Amen. Come on. Come on. Come on. Thank you.

Father. Some other motivations. I'm going to throw out there. But family, if we don't come together and encourage each other in that, you can start falling to the left. Even leaders, man.

I talked to Elder Milton. I've talked to Pastor Kenton. I've talked to Rhonda. We're together in office at times, and we're encouraging each other in an unofficial setting. When you see people praying, you see people right around, reading the Word of God, you see people serious about the things of God. It can encourage you Likewise if you're around somebody that never prays all the time, that's your primary setting in many ways That's gonna strip away from you

You see the importance of us coming together We all need community Because we've been perfected by the blood. By your head, let me pray for us. Holy Father, I just thank you for being good to us, for being good to me, for being faithful. Reliable and true. Dependable.

Reliable and true. Dependable. True to your character. Thank you for being good to us. God, I pray that you would take the seed of this word and water it in the hearts of your people. That we would continue to press into Christ. that we would continue to press into Christ as we are perfected, as we are being sanctified. It's in Jesus' name we pray, amen. Amen.

Amen. Okay.