2819 Church - WISDOM & WONDER | A Righteous Confrontation | Matthew 18:15-20 | Philip Anthony Mitchell

Episode Date: January 4, 2025

In Season 7 Episode 4 of "WISDOM & WONDER," Philip Anthony Mitchell unpacks a difficult yet vital teaching for the success of our kingdom relationships, found in Matthew 18:15-20. Welcome to the... official Youtube channel for 2819 Church. This channel features powerful and life-impacting messages from Philip Anthony Mitchell and guest communicators. As you listen to these sound biblical messages you can expect to be challenged, stirred, matured and inspired in your faith and walk with God. For more information about us visit 2819Church.org.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 You can be seated. CHEERING AND APPLAUSE Nino! Nino! And worthy is the Lamb Worthy is the Lamb. Worthy is the Lamb. You are holy. Holy. Are you Lord God Almighty? Yes, Lord. And worthy is the Lamb. Worthy is the Lamb.
Starting point is 00:02:00 You are holy. Holy. Are you Lord God almighty? Worthy. Worthy is the Lamb. Worthy is Are you Lord God? How are you? You are holy, holy. Are you Lord God Almighty? Oh my heart. Oh my heart.
Starting point is 00:03:35 Worthy is the Lamb. Worthy is the Lamb. Righteous is the Lamb. Righteous is the Lamb. Faithful is the Lamb. Consistent is the Lamb. Mighty is the Lamb. Majestic is the Lamb. Matchless is the Lamb.
Starting point is 00:04:19 Coming is the Lamb. Yes. Coming is the Lamb. Coming is the Lamb. Coming is the Lamb. Amen. APPLAUSE Oh, my God. Oh. Oh. Before we jump into the proclamation of God's word, I just want to call us together as a church to remember those whose lives have been devastated by Hurricane Helene. For this very week, families are planning funerals, people have lost homes, and people are suffering. I want us to be a people that are not self-absorbed and selfish. Even if our personal lives have not been hit, we care enough to pray for the lives of
Starting point is 00:06:22 those who have been devastated in our nation. I want us to pray for government agencies like FEMA and ministries on the ground and cities where people have been devastated all across states of Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina, praying for brothers and sisters to get the help they need. Always praying in tragedy, I do, that people who are far from God would be brought nigh to him and that God would be exonerated from the false belief of those
Starting point is 00:06:55 who blame him for evil and suffering. That we understand theologically that we suffer not because God is not good, but there are storms and there's death and there's brokenness because of the rebellion of human beings that created a Genesis 3 world, a fallen humanity. And so while God is never to be blamed for evil, he's able to step into evil and bring about good in the middle of evil. So I want us to be a church that is praying as we see devastation around the country and praying as we see drama in the Middle East.
Starting point is 00:07:29 The scripture teaches us in Psalm 126 that we should pray for the peace of Jerusalem. That is the city that has God's name on it. It is the place where Jesus will live when he returns back to this world. Amen, anybody? Amen. You know, I wish I had the ears of some of the politicians in Washington.
Starting point is 00:07:54 I would tell them that they're wasting their time trying to bring peace in the Middle East. I would tell them that the Scripture says there will be no peace in the Middle East until the Antichrist has come. According to the Scriptures, he signs a seven-year peace treaty with Israel. Until that day comes, there will be no peace in the Middle East. The more we see war in the Middle East, the more we should see that we're getting closer and closer to the end. Because in order for that peace treaty to be signed, there must be drama in the Middle East. But since so many of our politicians have no relationship with God, and because they don't have any relationship with the Scriptures,
Starting point is 00:08:28 they have no idea that they're wasting their time in diplomacy. There will be war in that part of the country, and more so, because that war will create a cry in the earth for somebody to do something about it. And the Scripture says at that time the Antichrist will emerge, and he will sign that treaty
Starting point is 00:08:47 that will fall apart in three and a half years. I just want to keep reminding everybody that we don't have that much time left, that I will be a broken record, that you will make the most of your days, that your prayers will have more power and more meaning, that your time will have more meaning. I don't care. They can persecute me, but they can't shut me up. And they can lie, but they can't shut me up. I make a lie, but they can't shut me up. Time is running out, and what we need right now in the West is an awakening, not just services called revival. We need revival, a mass turning back to Christ before it's too late. Amen, anybody.
Starting point is 00:09:52 If you are a guest, we welcome you to 2819. If you are a digital disciple watching me live in cities across the country right now, we welcome you to 2819. If you're sitting in that overflow room, we're so glad you're here. We welcome you to 2819. If you're sitting in that overflow room, we're so glad that you're here. We welcome you to 2819. If you're not a follower of Christ, we know that you're in the room. Some of you are sitting in that overflow. Some of you are watching me across this camera live right now. If you're not a follower of Christ, we welcome you to our family, these local community of disciples. We want you to know that you could belong before you believe. You could be amongst us before you believe. You can keep listening to these holy conversations that we are having together about the Lord Jesus Christ.
Starting point is 00:10:35 We want you to know that you are Hebrew-Israelite. You can be here, but you cannot spread your doctrine here. You cannot give out pamphlets in the parking lot. We will hunt you down and put you out, or we will win you to the Lord Jesus. You cannot spread your false doctrine here. You will be exposed. You cannot preach that false doctrine here, but you're welcome to be here among us, but you're not welcome to spread your false doctrine here. In Jesus' name, and I said that.
Starting point is 00:10:58 Amen. We are in a series right now on the end of a series called Wisdom and Wonder. We are walking through Matthew chapter 12 through 20 together. Just two more chapters in that series and this series will be over. We don't want to presume that you know who Matthew was, so I want to tell you that Matthew was a Jew who lived in the first century AD who was outcast from his community. He was converted to Christianity by the Lord Jesus Christ himself. Matthew went on to be a follower of Christ and eyewitness of his ministry, and he wrote the gospel that bears his name before he was brutally executed in the first century AD. He died as a martyr for what he saw, a resurrected Christ, and for what
Starting point is 00:11:52 he believed. We are studying together the book that bears his name. For all of our note-takers today, we'll be in Matthew 18, verse 15-20, a very difficult passage of Scripture, often ignored by the Western church. For if any church would take up this responsibility right here, they'd put themselves in jeopardy in Western culture. But we cannot skip over what the Lord has given us in his text. Albeit difficult and painful to some of us, we must deal with the weight of the text of what the Lord Jesus has said to us. I said to my wife in the back before I came out here, one of my biggest frustrations with the church in the West is that Christ is Savior, but he's not Lord, that we treat this like suggestions and not commandments. We treat this like options and not precepts.
Starting point is 00:12:43 There's so much going on in the church in the West because we don't read and because we don't follow the words of the Lord Jesus Christ. His words are only good for us when it's convenient, but when it's not convenient, we want nothing to do with his word. But so many of our lives will change. So many of our communities will change.
Starting point is 00:13:00 So many of our churches will change if we start reading and obeying the words of our Lord Jesus Christ. At some point in time, he has to be more than Savior. He has to be the authority figure in our life. That we have to hear what he says, read what he says, watch this word, and then obey what he says. I'm going to tag a title to this message today. I'm going to call this message A Righteous Confrontation.
Starting point is 00:13:47 Eternal God and ever wise Father we humble ourselves right now in your presence we feel your love we feel you among us we feel you walking these aisles and these roads we feel you in that overflow room we feel you across that camera and Father albeit difficult I pray that as this word is proclaimed We feel you in that overflow room. We feel you across that camera. And Father, albeit difficult, I pray that as this word is proclaimed, your very words,
Starting point is 00:14:16 that you will give us a heart to yield and to obey and to take seriously what you have declared to us through the pages of your word. I pray you would give me strength, God, to proclaim this truth to these, your sons and daughters, and to these, the unbelievers who are in the room. We pray, God, that there will be a harvest of souls, even as the word is being proclaimed, that you would convert those who belong to you, even from the foundation of the world. God, more than sermons, we want to be awakened. More than sermons, we want to be challenged. More than sermons, we want to be challenged. More than sermons, we want to yield to your word. And so, Father, we just pray you would breathe on this time together and that you would awaken now your sons and daughters.
Starting point is 00:14:51 I ask for help in my own weakness in the mighty and the majestic and the matchless name of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Amen and amen and amen. A righteous confrontation. Family, I want to begin this message talking to you about a word that you all love because we are American Christians, and that is the word blessings. When you hear the word blessings, you will stream to it to every conference. You will stream to it to every book and podcast. Wherever there is talk about blessings, there you go, chasing behind it. When I say the word blessing to you, oftentimes for us who are American Christians, the first
Starting point is 00:15:37 thing that comes to your mind are things that are tangible, things that are materialistic in nature. I say blessing, and you hear things like homes. You hear things like cars. You hear things like jobs. You hear things like getting to another bag. You hear things like God being your genie. Generally, these are the things we think about when we hear the word blessing. But I want to tell you, man, that there are blessings that are far more powerful than that, that there are intangible blessings in this life. That after the blessing of salvation,. After the blessing of salvation, and after the blessing of health, and after the blessing of time, perhaps the greatest gift that
Starting point is 00:16:11 God has given to all of us is the blessing of kingdom relationships, kingdom coaches, kingdom brothers and sisters, kingdom spiritual mothers and fathers, shoulders for you to cry on, ears to listen to your troubles. One of the greatest blessings God has given you is people who are in the kingdom. For as you grow in Christ, you will look over your shoulder and realize that some of the greatest blessings God has brought into your life have come into your life on two legs. That as you look on your shoulder,
Starting point is 00:16:55 you see some of the greatest things God has done in your life. He has done it through the blessing of a relationship. He has opened doors through relationship. He has given you opportunities through relationship. He has counseled you a relationship. He has opened doors through relationship. He has given you opportunities through relationship. He has counseled you through relationship. He has comforted you through relationships. He's loved on you through relationships. It is one of the most valuable and precious gifts that God has given to his children, and that is the blessing
Starting point is 00:17:19 of kingdom relationships. And it is your adversary, that ancient serpent called the devil, that dragon of old who works cleverly and aggressively through people to do anything he can to dismantle and to destroy and to hinder kingdom relationships, even working through people in your own church to hurt you and to egregiously sin against you, that he may bring division between brothers and sisters in the context of biblical community. Relationships, how difficult they are to build, and how quickly and easy they are thrown away and destroyed because of the flesh that manifests itself in the offenses we commit against each other in the context of biblical community. My brothers and my sisters, the Lord Jesus, when he gave birth to the church through the Spirit on the day of Pentecost, envisioned a church, a gathering of people, the ekklesia in Greek, the called out ones from the
Starting point is 00:18:31 world. He envisioned a growing gathering of people who will live with such a purity and such a holiness and such a unity that puts his name on display, that the outsider will see such a unity that puts his Christ or puts his name on display, that the outsider will see such a love amongst brothers and sisters, such a unity amongst brothers and sisters, that they would be even jealous of what we have and will run to see, man, how can it be a part of that gathering? So what the Lord does for us in Matthew chapter 18 is gives us ethical teaching and values that he built in framework, watch, to guide to be humble in the context of biblical community, he said. We need to be childlike in the context of biblical community.
Starting point is 00:19:32 We need to treat each other like we're talking to Christ in the context of biblical community. We need to not cause each other to sin in the context of biblical community. We need to deal aggressively with our own sin so we don't hurt ourselves and then we hurt others in the context of biblical community. We need to not despise other brothers and sisters and see the value in brothers and sisters, and we need to go after other brothers and sisters when we see them straying from the context of biblical community. So the Lord built in all of these metrics that we will protect ourselves from hurting ourselves and protect ourselves from hurting people. But what the Lord gives us next is probably at the
Starting point is 00:20:17 pinnacle of how we protect ourselves from hurting ourselves. After he says, be childlike. After he says, be humble. After he says, treat others like you treat me. After he says, don't lead them into sin. After he says, deal with your own sin. After he says, don't look down upon other children of God. After he says, go after the wanderer, the very next thing he says in the context of community, Matthew 18 and verse 15. He says, if your brother sins against you, go tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. Now, what we have here from Christ is a framework, listen, for dealing with conflict resolution inside the context of community. And I want to draw your attention to a few words in the text. The first word I want to draw your attention to is the word if. What the Lord does with the word if, it presupposes that in the context of biblical community, there will always be a possibility that you may get hurt deeply
Starting point is 00:21:33 from somebody inside the church. What the Lord takes off the table from you and me is this false narrative that you keep going, that you can join a church and be a part of a church and never get hurt from somebody in that church. So there's a lot of us who come into gatherings and then be a part of gatherings, and you think because the people are supposed to be holy, I will be here for weeks, and I'll be here for months, and I'll be here for years, and I expect nobody to ever inflict any pain on me at all. And that what we have is an American context for church, but not a biblical context for church. The Lord taught us right here before the church was formed,
Starting point is 00:22:12 as long as you are in community with brothers and sisters, there will always be the potential for you to get wounded as a result of somebody else sinning against you. So I want to draw your attention to this next word, sin. Now, let me tell you what is not in view. Annoyance is not in view. Some of y'all are very petty. Being hyper-emotional is not in view.
Starting point is 00:22:41 Being rubbed wrong is not in view. Being frustrated is not in view. The Lord does not have those things in view, because if the Lord was telling us to confront somebody every time he was annoyed, man, we would not survive this. We would be in the lobby and in the parking lot, running up on each other all the time, having beef with people all the time, confronting people all the time. Every time you get annoyed, you have to go say something to somebody. No, that's not in view here, family. Because when we are mature, there are some things you take to your prayer closet. They offend you, you take that to prayer. They annoy you, you take that to prayer.
Starting point is 00:23:18 They frustrate you, you take that to prayer. It's only immature believers who have to always say something every time you feel something that somebody else has did to you. When we are mature, watch this word, we learn how to absorb certain pains. Like, man, they pissed me off in the parking lot, but I'm just going to pray for her when I get home. Man, they talked to me funny when I was in the lobby, but I'm just going to pray for her when I get home. Man, I don't like the way they're acting on this team, but I'm just going to pray for them when I get home. It, I don't like the way they're acting on this team, but I'm just going to pray for them when I get home. It's not meant for you to say everything every time you feel emotional. You make your ignorance and your immaturity palpable
Starting point is 00:23:54 every time somebody says something to you or you feel emotional. You've got to say something to them. That's not what the Lord is talking about here. The Lord did not envision a church that would be fighting against each other every week. We are so sinful. Man, you will rub people wrong all the time. You cut people off in traffic. He doesn't want you hopping out of the car in the parking lot and giving the middle finger and a fist to another brother or sister. That's not in view here. But somebody slandering your name in the church, destroying your witness and your character, tearing up the team you built on, The Lord has that in view here. He's talking about when
Starting point is 00:24:30 people in a church egregiously sin against you. Listen to what the Lord says. Watch. Do something about it. Don't be quiet about it. The Lord is saying when your brother or sister egregiously sins against you, when it is a legitimate sin that's committed against you, when you've been wounded, when you have been hurt, the Lord has given you a license to go and address the issue. So, look at what the first thing he says. He says, when this happens to you, he says, go. You know what go is? That is, don't be passive about your pain. Don't be indifferent about your pain. If you're up at night wounded all the time, if you feel grieved by what that person is doing you, the Lord has given you permission to go talk to another brother or sister. So he says, go.
Starting point is 00:25:24 Now, what happens if you don't go. What happens if you don't go? If you don't go, you give the temptation for the pain you're carrying to ripen into resentment, hatred, unforgiveness, pain. You let that thing on the side, you grow into a whole tree when it started out as just a little bush. So what the Lord is saying, to protect your heart from carrying wounds that deep, I am encouraging you to go talk to your brother and sister. Now, I know it is not easy for us to always go. I know for some of us, we may be shy. You may think, man, I don't want to be confrontational. I don't want to step out of my comfort zone. So you're content to just be a
Starting point is 00:26:09 doormat and let people sin against you. So I get it for some of you, this may be difficult, but if man, if you can pray when people sin against you and move on, then praise God, you're going to do that. But I want you to see right here in the text, the Lord has given us grace to have healthy conflict amongst ourselves. He is not telling you you're going to be in church and never get wounded. He is giving you the presupposition that as long as you are part of a church, it don't matter how great that church is, how good the preaching is, how good the worship is, you love the church, you post about the church, you tell testimonies about the church,
Starting point is 00:26:44 as soon as somebody hurts you, you take flight. You vomit on social media. You get mad all the time because your expectation was, I would never get hurt in Christian context. No, the Lord says, as long as you're around brothers and sisters, fallen followers, listen, the temptation is always there for somebody to sin against you. So he says, go. The next word I want to draw your attention to is the word tell. You know what tell means? That doesn't mean fight. It doesn't mean argue. It doesn't mean go and attack the person who sinned against you. It says, Jesus said, tell. Tell is have an intelligible conversation. It is articulate your feelings. It is tell them the tears you've been shedding and the wound you've experienced.
Starting point is 00:27:35 It says, tell the person what has been happening to you. Man, it's just like, man, there was a sister who used to work for our church maybe five years ago, and she and I had a falling out. She used to work for me, and then she was removed and had to go her separate way. And it was just like a month ago, man. I was on my face in prayer, and the Lord showed me her face in my prayer time. Man, I don't know if her number changed, so I just got in the DMs five in the morning in prayer, and I just shot her DM and said, sister, I see your face in my prayer time. I don't know if your number has changed. I don't know how you feel about me, but I just want you to know, man, I'm praying for you in this moment. To my surprise, she's up, and she DMs me right back.
Starting point is 00:28:14 It's so good to hear from you. Man, I've been thinking about you too, and before she could get any other letters out, man, I start typing back. Listen, if I hurt you in any way, if I sinned against you when you were here in any way, if I was not a good employer, if I was not a good shepherd, if I was not a good boss, if I hurt you in any way, I want you to hear that I am sorry
Starting point is 00:28:40 for how I hurt you. I take responsibility for the wound that you incurred. I take responsibility for your tears. I am deeply sorry for how I hurt you. I take responsibility for the wound you incurred. I take responsibility for your tears. I am deeply sorry for how I hurt you. Now I'm waiting. I'm waiting for the bubbles to return. I see the bubbles, and here's her response. Man, I'm sorry for hurting you too, and I'm sorry for the things I said, and I'm sorry for the things I've done. Here we are at five in the morning having this beautiful back-and-forth exchange. It's like, man, tranquilo. It's like, man, everything came down, and now I'm loving on her, and now she's
Starting point is 00:29:18 loving on me, and we're apologizing to one another, and in the DMs we're trying to outdo one another with honor. Just a couple of weeks ago, she's going through a difficult season, and she reaches out to me, saying, "'Can you pray for me?' I say, "'I'll do you one better. Come to the house.'" She comes to the house with her children, and she goes down in our basement, and she stays in our basement for the whole weekend. My wife and I, we just love on her, and we just feed her, and we wrap our arms around her, and we listen to her tell her story, and we watch her shed her tears, and we're there in her presence. All of this is happening where? The next word, alone.
Starting point is 00:30:07 Not on social media. Not blowing her up for everybody to know. Her not blowing me up for everybody to know. The Lord said, when you have grief with your brother or sister, go to them how? In private. Seek private reconciliation before public reproach. Try to deal with the matter in private, but we do just the opposite, don't we? Somebody sins against you in a church, and the first thing you do is air your grievance on social media. You go back to your team. You air your grievance on the team. You go back to your squad.
Starting point is 00:30:44 You air your grievance on the squad, and go back to your squad, you air your grievance on the squad. And as soon as somebody hurts you, instead of listening to the words of the Lord, the first thing you do is run and tell everybody in the church, someone so hurt me, someone so said this, someone so said that. And what the Lord is trying to protect us from, watch this word, is acquired offense. He's trying to protect innocent brothers and sisters from being soiled in their heart by the hurt that you're carrying because you did not take the time to go and talk to that brother and sister in private. And because you got hurt and aired your grievance, now you are in sin.
Starting point is 00:31:21 And what the Lord is trying to teach us in this first verse is do your best to watch this mitigate beef between brothers and sisters while in private now follow the text when this is, there is no chapters and verses. The original manuscripts have no breaking points. This is one argument that Jesus is making. Watch. Pass, I don't get it. So, if we are humble, if we are childlike, if we treat other people like they are Christ, if we are not causing others to sin,
Starting point is 00:32:06 if we are dealing with our own sin, if we have the character he taught us about in the beginning of the chapter, then when somebody confronts us, we have the character to hear what they have to say. Because what the Lord expects in this moment is that if these two believers have biblical character, then they both desire the same thing. What do they desire? Look at me. They desire peace and reconciliation. But you know, some of y'all, you like what I used to be.
Starting point is 00:32:44 You love to keep drama going. You got a spirit of revenge. It been to me too. You hit me, I'm going to hit you. You don't like me, I don't like you. You unfollow me, I'm going to unfollow you. You shoot at me, I'm going to shoot at you. And some of us, our hearts are so dysfunctional, you thrive on drama.
Starting point is 00:33:08 You love to keep drama going. You love to hold people in your heart. You love to keep grudges. You love to be killing your own heart, keeping people pimped up inside of there, so they wounded you at a church. They grieved you deeply. And instead of using the framework God did, watch this, to release that tension from your heart, instead you bottle up on the inside, and you've been dying on the inside. So if two believers make it to this point where you've got to be confronted because you sinned against me, what the Lord expects if we're following the rest of the chapter is that it ends right there. But look at what the Lord says in the same verse. He says, if he listens to you, you have gained your brother. Powerful words of Jesus. He says,
Starting point is 00:34:05 if the sister or brother listens to you, watch, you have gained them. You have won them back. This word gain in Greek is the type of word that talks about things that are material or valuable. That is, if you go to the brother and you talk to the brother and you're humble with the brother and you're loving with the brother and you're just telling them, this is what you did to me. This is how I feel. I'm not coming to fight. I'm just telling you how I was wounded. And the other brother's like, dang, I didn't know I did that. And he says, man, if the brother listens, man, you've gained. You've won back something valuable. You got back fellowship.
Starting point is 00:34:31 You got back peace. You got back intimacy. Or you got back just grace. We good now. No more beef. Ain't got to carry that to my grave. Listen, peace is a valuable thing. But watch the master teaching of Jesus. He uses another if,
Starting point is 00:34:56 which means that sometimes you'll go and talk to someone, and they will not listen to what you have to say. Some people are too immature to listen. Their hearts are too hard to listen. They're too insecure to listen. They're too prideful to listen. They're too insecure to listen. They're too prideful to listen. They're too arrogant to listen. Why? Some people are not listening, because when you confront people about stuff, the only thing you get back from them is character. It doesn't matter how loving you are. It doesn't matter how kind you are. It doesn't matter how gentle you are. When you talk to people about sinning against you, the only thing you get back from them is their character. If they have good character, they probably yield if what you're saying is loving, humble, godly, receivable. But if they don't have good character and love keep drama going, you know what the Lord says? Just leave it alone.
Starting point is 00:35:43 No, no, no. that's not what he said. Come on, you're supposed to be reading. He didn't say leave it alone. Y'all are like, mm, you agree. No, don't agree. The Lord didn't say leave them alone. He said, if they don't listen to you, man, take it to the next level. Why?
Starting point is 00:36:04 Because the Lord is serious about his children not being in beef. Anybody who's a parent with two kids, understand this. Go and talk to your brother and sister. Make it right. They don't want to talk to me. Go back up there again and talk to them again. The Lord wants us to be in peace with one another. So watch. If they don't listen, he ain't saying just leave it alone. No. The Lord says if they don't listen, he gives you a second step. But if he does not listen, verse 16, take one or two others along with you. Gosh. That every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses.
Starting point is 00:36:41 So the Lord is going back to Old Testament doctrine. Let not no charge come without two or three witnesses. So the Lord is going back to Old Testament doctrine. Let no charge come without two or three witnesses. So here's what the Lord is saying. If somebody sins against you in the church, it is egregious, it is hurtful, it has wounded you, go and talk to that brother or sister alone. If you win them, it's over. Watch. Listen, the drama is supposed to stop right there. It's done. No need to air them out. No need to put it on social media. It just dies right there. But if they don't want to listen, the Lord cares about his children being in unity so much, he says, they don't listen. Go get two or three other people and go back and talk to them a second time. Now, watch what the Lord does not say. He
Starting point is 00:37:19 does not tell us who to bring. So we got to use biblical wisdom on who to bring and who not to bring. So I'm going to tell you who I do not bring to this conversation. I don't bring somebody who is an instigator. I don't bring somebody that likes to keep drama going. I don't bring a hothead. I don't bring somebody who's subjective. I don't bring somebody that doesn't want peace. I don't bring somebody who's immature.
Starting point is 00:37:47 I don't bring somebody that likes to throw gasoline on fire. I don't gang up people from my squad who I've already won over to myself and say, now let's go pounce on this person that's sitting against me. No, I bring someone who is objective. I might bring someone who has more authority. I might bring someone who's more mature. I might bring someone who has some word on the inside of them. Why? With the hopes that if I can't convince them with my words, hopefully the two or three I brought with me might be able to say something to the person
Starting point is 00:38:16 that I was not smart enough to say. This happened to me all the time, many years. Man, some team member's going through something. They say, pastor, can you talk to this team member for me? And here we go, two or three of us, to talk to some team member to be diplomatic, to help them to see the error of their ways, but the hope that we can it's at this point, look at me, 99% of all conflict in a church should end. Let me say this to you one more time, because I'm almost finished. Listen to me, American Christians who love to keep drama going.
Starting point is 00:39:07 It's at this point, look at me, 99% of conflict you have in the church should end. Let me remind you, the Lord is saying to you, if you attend a church, you will have the opportunity. You may have the, it's a very strong possibility you may get hurt by somebody. But when you get hurt by somebody, if it is a sin against you, I want you to go and talk to them in private. I want you to mitigate the issue in private. I want you to do everything you can to win back your brother or sister, to help them to see the error of their ways. If they don't listen, I'm so concerned about your relationship, that thing that's so valuable. Go get two or three other people who are wise, God-fearing, who can talk to them on your behalf.
Starting point is 00:39:50 Now, at that point, if we are mature, if we are humble, if we are Christ-like, if we are God-like, if we treat each other like Christ, it should end right there. 99% of all church conflicts should end right there, but y'all already know that's not the reality, right? Some of y'all have been in churches where stuff is getting tore up all the time, and we don't want to end the drama. We want to keep the drama going. I know I'm not the only one who's ever been in a church where you see people fighting, and they like to keep the drama going. They're fighting to win, but they're not fighting for reconciliation. They're fighting with hatred, but they're not fighting for reconciliation. They're fighting with hatred, but they're not fighting with love. So we hear stories, ongoing stories.
Starting point is 00:40:29 They've been at it for months. They've been at it for years. They hate each other. They're trashing each other on social media and went from DMs to squads and went from teams to so many. They keep the drama going. Now y'all got 10 people involved, 20 people involved, 50 people involved. Now you split the church because he wasn't godly enough to end the drama at that point. So now the Lord says, man, if they don't listen to two or three people, man, listen, just leave them alone. No, he ain't say that. Now, the next verse, the next verse is the most difficult one. Because when I read to you the next verse, you're going to be like, no, Jesus ain't something like that. Jesus don't talk like that. He's cutesy. He's demure.
Starting point is 00:41:31 He floats around. My Lord will never talk to us like that. Here is a church with a brother who has sinned against a sister. He tried to molest her in the bathroom. Now she goes back and talks to him like, yo, that thing you did to me in the bathroom, man, it was so wrong. Man, it really hurt me. It scarred me. I've been up at night thinking about this all the time. He says, I don't give a darn how you feel. You was giving me some vibes, so I went after that vibes in the bathroom. You was acting like you really want it, so I don't care. She comes back a week later with her elder and an associate pastor to try to talk to him again. He said, I don't care what none of y'all have to say.
Starting point is 00:42:05 She was giving me vibes. Like, I felt some emotion. So I did what I wanted to do. I ain't got to care what none of y'all got to say. I could lead his church. I could blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. They don't want to listen. The Lord says, man, this man is in trouble.
Starting point is 00:42:16 So if they don't listen in a private conversation and they don't listen with two or three, there is a third and final step that we hopefully never get to. But with some people, you've got no choice but to go there with them. So the Lord says if an unrepentant sinner is tearing up a church, hurting people, inflicting wounds, they won't repent, they won't listen, they won't be coached, they won't be counseled, they won't yield, they won't say sorry, then you do this next option with them, which is the last and final option. The Lord says, this is what you do to them. Verse 17, since you sense he thinks he's so cutesy and demure, if he refuses to listen to them, I know you can read. It's on the screen behind me.
Starting point is 00:43:08 Shocked. Go air them out to the whole church. Man, how could Jesus say something like that? No, he's not advocating for slander. He's advocating for accountability. He's saying if they won't listen, go tell the authority figures of the church tell the pastors and elders tell the people on the team tell as many people as connected to the situation as possible so that people will be held accountable so man when they run from me and they bump into somebody else and they try to tell their story they'd be like now we don't want to hear that
Starting point is 00:43:38 story we heard about what you did in the bathroom you need to go and repent and then they go to somebody else squad and they try to tell their little sorry story and we said now we don't want to hear your little sorry story we heard what you did to her in the bathroom you need to go and repent. Then they go to somebody else's squad, and they try to tell their little sorry story. We say, no, we don't want to hear your little sorry story. We heard what you did to her in the bathroom. You need to go and repent. Every time they keep hopping to different places, they keep bumping into Christians that obey God's Word and say, brother, you need to repent. He says, if they refuse to listen listen tell it to the church and let him be to you as a gentile or as a tax collector i.e that if the person will not repent treat them like an outsider gosh and some of you think oh man how is jesus so aggressive the reason he's so aggressive because he's fighting for unity in his church so what the lord is doing right here is putting a
Starting point is 00:44:23 boundary of accountability around an unrepentant, sinful person who's tearing up a church and saying, listen, I want y'all, wants the whole church know, block him out altogether. Exonerate him. Put him out. Not exonerate, excommunicate him. Put him out. If he try to bump into you, don't give him nothing. That is, watch. If you can't honor the principles of community, deny him the blessings of community. Since you can't respect the principles of community, the unity of community, we together are going to block you from enjoying the blessings of community. You can't come to the crib. You can't come to the squad. You can't serve on this team. You can't preach no more.. Can't preach no more.
Starting point is 00:45:05 Can't sing no more. We're going to block you from feeling the blessings of community with the hope that he feels so isolated that it forces him to go back to that sister who he touched in the bathroom and repent. But you know what we like to do? They come to you with their little sorry story, and you coddle them because they're your friend and because there's affinity and because you don't want to hurt them. God knows his heart. He tried to rape a girl in the bathroom during the gathering, but God knows his heart. Yes, he knows his heart is wicked and full of sin, and the Lord wants him to repent because the Lord loves him. The Lord
Starting point is 00:45:45 wants him to be changed. And if we help him in his sin, he will never be changed. So love says, throw him out. Now in 12 years of pastoral ministry, I've only had to do this one time. One time, a brother was tearing up the church and so in Caesar discord and so in Caesar slander. And I went to him privately and he cursed me out in that private meeting. And I try to talk to more people. He fussed it out. And I said, brother, look, if this is the way you feel, you can't stay here any longer. Splits the church, takes people with him.
Starting point is 00:46:13 I mean, just aggressive in his sin. Never came back. Never apologized. Never heard from that brother again. Have no idea where he is. And what the Lord has given us right here, here it is, is the metrics for church discipline. Nowhere in the Scriptures are you ever called an adult. You're only called child of God, and children who disobey need to be
Starting point is 00:46:39 disciplined. What the Lord is saying is that a church should deal like this with a person who's tearing it up and unrepentant. Now I know y'all think that is harsh. You know what's more harsh? To dismantle a whole family because we don't have the courage to deal with one person. To ruin a whole team because we don't have the courage to deal with one person. To ruin a whole ministry because we don't have the courage to deal with one person, to ruin a whole ministry because we don't have the testicular fortitude to deal with one person.
Starting point is 00:47:16 Right? So, the Lord is saying, treat them like an outsider. Now, watch. When the Lord is teaching this, the church did not exist. The church will be born a couple months later on the day of Pentecost. Is there any evidence in the New Testament that they actually listened to what the Lord said? Any evidence that they carried this out? That they treated holiness serious? Purity serious? Unity serious? Is there any evidence that after the God
Starting point is 00:47:45 is raised and after the Lord is resurrected, is there any evidence after the Lord is gone that they actually listened to his words? 1 Corinthians chapter 5, the apostle Paul, a former murderer turned Christian, writing to a crazy church full of gifted people, but reckless. Listen to what he says to them in chapter 5, verse 1. I'm almost done. It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that is not even tolerated among pagans. For a man has his father's wife in your church. A man is banging his father's wife in the church. A man is taking down his father's wife in the church. A man is digging in the box of his father's wife in the church.
Starting point is 00:48:32 Y'all know this is happening in the church. Y'all are talking about it, laughing about it, DMing about it. Ain't nobody doing nothing about it. That's what Paul is saying. He says, are you arrogant? Ought you not rather to mourn? That is, should your heart not be broken over the sin of this brother that's taken down his father's wife? Should your heart not be grieved to see how this one young man is destroying a family and destroying a church? Should your heart not be broken, he said? Instead, you're just letting this happen like it's nothing?
Starting point is 00:49:12 Watch. It's going to make sense to you in a second. Let him who has done this be? Now, watch. You read that word, and that's foreign to you. You know why that's foreign to you? Now, watch. You read that word, and that's foreign to you. You know why that's foreign to you? Because in the first century, people did not church hop.
Starting point is 00:49:36 In the first century, churches were so close-knit that to be excommunicated from a church would cause a person to feel so much pain they would fight to get back into that church. But it's only in the West, and it's only in modern culture. We're not really a church. We're just loose coalitions of people that sit in rooms all around the country. So as soon as you're sinful, and as soon as you're nasty, and as soon as we try to help you with your sin, instead of yielding to church discipline and being transformed in your character, you say, I don't like the fact that y'all confronted me. You bail, and you end up in another church to tear that church. Now, you tend churches in. You've done destroyed hundreds of relationships, and nobody don't got the courage to confront you. Every time you get confronted,
Starting point is 00:50:15 you put on sneakers and you bail instead of put on prayer and deal with your heart. Come on, man. I know you feel convicted because this is your fifth church, and then you try to come to 2019 with the same sinful practice. And if we find you and confront you, here is your first opportunity. Run again. Or say, you know what? Watch. It's time for me to deal with my sinful ways.
Starting point is 00:50:46 But see, in the first century, churches were so close-knit that if a person was removed from the fellowship, they would feel the pain of the loss of fellowship. It would cause them to think, is it worth me being out here by myself? See, now watch. That don't matter to some of y'all, because we live in an individualistic society where you have Christians who think this is not necessary. That is a demonic doctrine. No, I don't care.
Starting point is 00:51:13 I'm about to get in trouble. You have people who say, "'I love Jesus, but I don't need the church.'" Here come the emails. "'I love Jesus, and he and I have something going on, but I don't need the church. If the church is his body, then how do you love him? You can't find no doctrine in the New Testament that gives you license to be solo. He calls all of his children to community because he does his best work in your life through the
Starting point is 00:51:51 sanctifying work of community. Rubbing you, coaching you, loving you, disciplining you, training you, breaking you, building you, comforting you. He does his best work through community, but because we live in a radically individualistic society, you have Christians
Starting point is 00:52:07 all over social media who say, we love God, but we don't need the church. You have been deceived. Verse 3, for though absent in the body, I am present in spirit. And as if I am present in spirit, watch, he says, I have already pronounced what? Judgment on the one who did such thing. When you are assembled in the name of the Lord Jesus and my spirit is present with the power of our Lord, watch, with the power of our Lord Jesus, you are to deliver this man to Satan
Starting point is 00:52:59 for the destruction of his flesh so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord. That's Jesus talking. He's saying, if somebody's unrepentant, pray them into the hands of the devil. Not, now I lay me down to sleep. Pray them into the hands of the devil. Why? We care so much about you. We'd rather you feel the pain of your sin than die and go to hell for all eternity.
Starting point is 00:53:29 So, man, since you won't repent, since you won't listen, I'm not praying bless them. I'm praying, Lord, deal with them aggressively. Release them to the hands of the devil. Wreck their whole life. Tear everything out. Put them in a place where they come to a point of extremity where they have no other option but to repent. See, you don't pray like that. So you let people get away with nonsense. The Lord said, turn them over to Satan so he can wreck their flesh, punch them in their soul with the hopes that the pain of that discipline will cause them to repent.
Starting point is 00:54:05 Why? Because it's better for them to be afflicted now than be in hell forever. How's that for American doctrine? Ain't hear that in no conference. Not reading that in no book. Don't hear that in no podcast, but these are the words of the one you call Savior. See? And then you're going to go out of here and tell people, pastors, that dude Philip Anthony Mitchell, or he's a hellfire. I hear people trashing me on TikTok, or I'm a hellfire and brimstone preacher, and he's aggressive. I'm reading to you the words of the one you call Lord and Savior. What are you talking about? I'm not mad. I'm not angry. I'm reading to you the words of Christ. I'm reading to you the words of the apostles. I'm actually teaching you the Scriptures. We've heard a lot of sermons, but we have not heard the Scriptures.
Starting point is 00:55:10 A lot of conferences, no Scriptures. A lot of podcasts, no Scriptures. A lot of books, no Scriptures. A lot of gatherings, no Scriptures. A lot of preaching, no Scriptures, no Bible. A lot of series. Our new series, our next series, a lot of series, no scriptures. Just the opinions of men, Google articles, three points in a poem. Jesus is fluffy.
Starting point is 00:56:00 He don't care about your sin. Tear up the church. Do what you want. Live in sin. Preach in sin. Sing in sin. Serve in Tear up the church. Do what you want. Live in sin. Preach in sin. Sing in sin. Serve in sin. Lead in sin. Do whatever you want. Fluffy, fluffy, fluffy, fluffy, fluffy. Half of us are going to hell. You know what? I'm sick of…
Starting point is 00:56:33 I don't care if people don't like me no more. I don't care if they don't like me. When I get to glory and there are going to be people behind me who say, Anthony Mitchell for preaching to us the raw, unadulterated truth. Thank you very much for telling us the truth for all those years. I made it because of the word of God. Somebody give him praise in this house. We made it because of the Word! Give me this camera, this one right here. And for all us soft cowards that call ourselves pastors, let me help you. You want counsel?
Starting point is 00:57:52 Here is counsel. The Lord said by the Spirit through Paul to Timothy, Preach the word. In season and out of season, reprove, rebuke, exhort. What are we talking about? Somebody thank God for the Word! Hallelujah! Thank you for your word, Lord! We're going to make it because of the word! We're going to arrive because of the word! We're going to be it because of the Word. We're going to arrive because of the Word. We're going to be saints because of the Word.
Starting point is 00:59:16 I won't burn because of the truth of this Word. I wish y'all in America would just get sick and tired of cotton candy gospel and get fed up of that nonsense, lies in the Jesus! Jesus! Come on! Come on! Come on! Come on! I appreciate you.
Starting point is 01:00:16 Thank you. They don't like me for this. They're trying to call me out my name right now. They're attacking me on social media right now, trying to come after my character. You know what I'm saying? What are we talking about? I ain't bruising my knee in prayer and trying to wring out my own sin. I ain't never said I was perfect.
Starting point is 01:00:37 What are we talking about? You don't know me. What are you talking about? You mind caring about your little dream, your little revelation that came from the Devil? You don't know me. What are you talking about? I'm not kidding about your little dream, your little revelation that came from the devil. You don't know me. Like the devil don't mess with people's minds when they sleep.
Starting point is 01:01:02 Oh, no. Come to 2819. Come and sit down. Come and feel the presence of God. Just come. Come spend time with me. Send me a DM. Ask me a question. All right, let me finish, because I know you have to get to your restaurant. No, it's America.
Starting point is 01:01:49 Don't tell me to take my time. No, no, no. Y'all don't want this right here. You want a different kind of food. You don't want this food right here. You want a different kind of food. You don't want this food right here. You want food that's temporary. You don't want food that's eternal.
Starting point is 01:02:11 Oh, I take my time. No, no, no. No, it ain't gonna take my time. I see y'all itching. You want to get to the car to beat people out the parking lot. Cannot proceed. Can I proceed? Can I proceed? Is there any evidence that this man they threw out felt the pain of his sin and probably came back and said, I'm sorry. Is there any evidence of that?
Starting point is 01:03:09 This is 1 Corinthians, one letter. Then some time will pass, Paul will write 2 Corinthians, another letter. And in 2 Corinthians, right? Chapter two, verse 5. Paul says, Now, if anyone has caused pain, he has caused it not to me, but in some measure, not to put it too severely to all of you. For such a one, this punishment by the majority, that's the church, is enough. He's come back now. Gosh, this is so powerful. So you should block him. No, rather
Starting point is 01:04:00 turn to forgive. Remember what happened in the bathroom all them years ago? I'm sorry. I recognize I was wrong. I was too pig-headed to see. I was too hard to see. I was too much in my flesh to see. I was too lustful to see. I've been running from y'all for years.
Starting point is 01:04:18 I've been in multiple churches. I'm coming back where I belong to say I'm sorry. Would y'all invite me back into the fellowship? I just want to be loved and accepted again. So you should rather turn to forgive him and comfort him, or he may be overwhelmed by excessive sorrow. So I beg you to reaffirm your love for him. For this is why I wrote that I might test you and know whether you are obedient in everything. Anyone whom you forgive, I also forgive. Indeed, what I have forgiven,
Starting point is 01:05:09 if I have forgiven anything, has been for your sake in the presence of Christ, so that we, the fellowship, so that we, the fellowship, watch this, so that we, the fellowship, would not be outwitted by Satan. We're not going to let him trick us. We're going to love each other so hard the devil does not get the last laugh. For we are not ignorant of his designs. Now, let's finish. Last three verses. Everybody listen, watch this.
Starting point is 01:05:54 Now, here's a verse you use out of context all the time. The Lord knew, I'm done. Look at me. In the overflow, look right at me. Look right here. The Lord knew that exercising this level of church discipline would be difficult. It would not be easy. It would be stressful for a leadership team. So what the Lord does next, he said, if you ever have to deal with a sister or brother like this, what he gives the church is, watch this, a group of two sets of assurances.
Starting point is 01:06:26 That is, I got you if you got to do this. Here is the text we use out of context. Verse 18. Truly I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. Now, whenever we quote this, we attach it to prayer. And I've been there too, man. We get mad at the devil. He's attacking a kid. Satan, we bind you in the name of Jesus. We loose blood. And if that makes you feel thugged out in your prayer, then do that. But that's eisegesis, taking a text and making it something else. But in this proper context, you know what this is really saying? In the Greek, this is past tense.
Starting point is 01:07:08 That is, whatever you bind on earth, I have already bound in heaven. And whatever you loose on earth, I have already loosed in heaven. Say, preacher, I don't get it. This is about church discipline. What the Lord is saying to leaders who have to do this, if you put someone out, bind, I will back your decision from heaven. Then if you loose that person, that is, invite them back into fellowship, I will back your decision from heaven. If you bind, I back your decision by not letting that person feel peace. I will deal with their soul
Starting point is 01:07:39 until they repent. They have been bound. But then if they come back in humility and you loose them, I will now loose them from heaven. I will deal now gently with their soul. I give you this authority that if you have to do this, I'm going to back you if you have to do this. That is, you combine them, and they go out and they trash your social media, talk about you on TikTok, call you out your name on Instagram, put blogs about you on Facebook, all of that. They could do all of that. But in the courts of heaven, they have been bound. Wow. Dang, that's so powerful. Ain't nobody getting away with nothing. But if at some point in time, man, they have humility, the Lord says, then I will loose. You bind, I bind.
Starting point is 01:08:32 You loose, I loose. That is, I'll back your decision. If it's done right, if it's righteous, if it's holy, if it's godly, if it's in the context of what I've taught you. And then because he knows that would be so difficult, he gives them one more assurance. And then he says to them, watch, man, if your heart is heavy because you got to deal with people like this, he says, again, I say to you, verse 19, if two of you agree on earth about anything, that word anything in the Greek is a word that means tasks, situations, conflicts. If y'all agree about the conflict, watch. In context,
Starting point is 01:09:09 and if you ask, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. For where two or three are gathered in my name, there I am in the midst. Say, preacher, I don't get it. The Lord says, man, if y'all come together to pray for that brother who assaulted that sister in the bathroom, y'all pray for him.
Starting point is 01:09:26 And what kind of prayers are we praying? Lord, kill him? No. Lord, deal with him. Lord, save him. Lord, deliver him. Lord, open his eyes. Lord, let him feel your love.
Starting point is 01:09:35 Lord, bring him back. Lord, crush his soul. We're praying that he would repent. And the Lord said, if you cry out for somebody who's in a sinful, unrepentant, rebellious state, the Lord said, I will hear from heaven to deal with that person. That is love. The Lord is not calling us, man, to confrontations of warfare. He's calling us to confrontations of love. He's not calling us to be fighting brothers and sisters. He's calling us to seek after reconciliation. He's not calling us, man, to throw people away. He's calling us to fight
Starting point is 01:10:05 to keep the community of saints together. Listen, of all the things the Lord is about to give birth to a church and of all the things he can address first, he didn't address teaching first. He didn't address serving first. He didn't address giving first. Of all the things the Lord would give to his church first, the very first teachings he gives his church is be humble. Be childlike. Treat each other like you treat me. Deal with your sin. Don't sin against each other. Don't cause each other to sin. If somebody sins against you, confront them. Can you hear what the Lord is trying to do? He's actually trying to create bodies of believers that live in, watch this word, harmony. And peace. And holiness.
Starting point is 01:10:56 Watch, because this right here feels more enjoyable when we're not at each other's throat all the time. And that when we do have conflict, we deal with it in such a way that we come back to a place of peace and fellowship. That way, man, we grow in character together. We grow in morality together. We grow in witness together. And then we have testimonies of not people running from conflict.
Starting point is 01:11:20 We have testimonies of people being reconciled through conflict. What a beautiful church it is to deal with people's sin, and we come out on the other side, watch this, with stronger relationships. This is what the Lord wants for us. This is what the Lord wants for his church globally. And this is my prayer for you, that you would remember the words of Jesus. Watch this, who led by example. Because it was you and I who sinned against the Lord. You were born in sin, and you've committed so much sin.
Starting point is 01:11:53 And the Lord could have left you out there in the sin, but he didn't do that. But what Jesus did through the Holy Spirit was, watch, come after you, left the 99, confronted you with conviction, and tried to woo you back to the Father. Say, come back to the Father. Come back to the fellowship. Come back to the gathering. And what the Lord did was woo you into fellowship. Jesus came, he lived, he died, and then he used the Holy Spirit to woo you to the cross, not leave you out there in sin. Woo you back to the Father. Woo you back to fellowship. Instead of letting you be out there headed for damnation, he ruled you back, watch, in reconciliation with the Father.
Starting point is 01:12:31 So in the same way you have been reconciled, he says go to others and watch. Reconcile. Be a people that's continuously loving each other deep because love covers a multitude of sin. Eternal God and ever wise Father, don't move. We thank you, Lord, for the power and the truth of your word. We thank you, Lord, for your holy teachings.
Starting point is 01:13:02 We thank you, Lord, for your wisdom and for your genius. I pray right now for the gathering of 2019, local and abroad, all of our digital disciples. I pray for the church in the West. I pray for the church globally, Lord, that we will turn from secular humanistic doctrines. We will turn from the ways of the world. We will turn to the word. We will turn to your teachings. We will turn to your exhortations. We will turn to you, Lord, in every way. I pray, God, especially in the West,
Starting point is 01:13:36 there would be revival and an outpouring of repentance upon this nation in the name of your Son. We pray your church would move on from empty sermons and empty gatherings and empty conferences and empty books and all these things that are dead, God, that are empty of the scriptures. And we pray there will be a revival, God, in this nation, God,
Starting point is 01:13:59 a people being raised into an Acts 2 church that is deeply devoted to these scriptures. We want you to be Lord and Savior. And so I pray for healing, for wounds. I pray for reconciliation, for broken relationships. I pray this week phone calls will be made, DMs will be sent, relationships will be restored, husbands will love wives, wives will love husbands, friends will say, I'm sorry. Relationships will be restored. Husbands will love wives. Wives will love husbands.
Starting point is 01:14:25 Friends will say, I'm sorry. Relationships will be put back together. Do it through us, Lord. I ask in the mighty and the majestic and the matchless name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. If you received that, give God praise right here in the room. Come on, give him praise in the overflow. Somebody give Jesus praise if you received his word into your heart. Hallelujah.

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