48 Hours - "48 Hours" Live to Tell: The Chowchilla Kidnapping - Encore

Episode Date: July 12, 2020

Twenty-six school children abducted and buried alive in a truck trailer by three young men. An incredible survival story. CBS News correspondent David Begnaud reports. See Privacy Policy... at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Transcript
Discussion (0)
Starting point is 00:00:00 Wondery Plus subscribers can listen to this podcast ad-free right now. Join Wondery Plus in the Wondery app today. Even if you love the thrill of true crime stories as much as I do, there are times when you want to mix it up. And that's where Audible comes in, with all the genres you love and new ones to discover. Explore thousands of audiobooks, podcasts, and originals, with more added all the time. thousands of audiobooks, podcasts, and originals, with more added all the time. Listening to Audible can lead to positive change in your mood, your habits,
Starting point is 00:00:35 and even your overall well-being. And you can enjoy Audible anytime, while doing household chores, exercising, commuting, you name it. There's more to imagine when you listen. Sign up for a free 30-day Audible trial and your first audiobook is free. Visit audible.ca. In 2014, Laura Heavlin was in her home in Tennessee when she received a call from California. Her daughter, Erin Corwin, was missing. The young wife of a Marine had moved to the California desert
Starting point is 00:01:00 to a remote base near Joshua Tree National Park. They have to alert the military. And when they do, the NCIS gets involved. From CBS Studios and CBS News, this is 48 Hours NCIS. Listen to 48 Hours NCIS ad-free starting October 29th on Amazon Music. At six years old, I had never been in darkness like that before. It was just pitch black, like the dark was touching me, engulfing me, like I was actually inhaling the darkness. Chowchilla in 1976 was a cow town. You could drive through the heart of town in about 30 seconds.
Starting point is 00:02:23 Very close-knit community. Everybody looked out for each other. People didn't lock their doors. There was nothing to fear. I didn't know what fear was. I still have a hard time grasping the way that my life changed on July 15th. Just another average summer day. Very hot.
Starting point is 00:02:48 Going to summer school, and that day we got to go to the town swimming pool. Got back on the bus, ready to go home. Our bus driver was Ed Ray. We all called him Edward. He was just, you know, a really nice man. The buses had the windows down, the hot summer breeze, the kids were laughing and singing. We dropped a few kids off at their normal stops, and then I can remember the bus stopping at a stop sign. Edward went to go around a white van that was parked in
Starting point is 00:03:26 the road. We just assumed that that van was broke down until Edward opened the bus door and mass men jumped on with guns. The first man came on the bus and he had a gun. Ed Ray said, what's going on? And he said, shut up and move to the back. I remember telling him that if he didn't get me home on time, my dad would be on him like stink on skunk. You know, I wasn't afraid of anything. I didn't know I needed to be. And then another man came on the bus and he had a sawed-off double-barrel shotgun.
Starting point is 00:04:10 The shotgun filled me with terror. The masked men had pantyhose pulled over their face. It was a very distorted look. I remember scrunching back down in my seat and thinking, I really don't want to see this. Where their eyes were, it almost looked hollow. It was like looking at death. One of the kidnappers got into the driver's seat and the bus started moving again. I started to think, I wonder where they're taking us. 26 schoolchildren and their bus driver have vanished.
Starting point is 00:04:54 Anguished parents, President Ford, hundreds of searching police are asking the question, where are the children? Thank you. Just outside Chowchilla, on July 15, 1976, the frightening journey began. We started driving down the road. I was wondering how it was going to feel to die. I was too scared to move. Twenty-six terrified children, some as young as five, were staring down the barrel of a sawed-off shotgun.
Starting point is 00:06:25 Three masked men had hijacked the Dairyland Elementary school bus. One had the shotgun, one drove the bus, and one followed behind in the white van they'd used to block the road. Edward kept telling us kids just be quiet, sit down, do what they say. Edward was speaking in a harsh tone, and that normally was not the Edward that we knew and loved. Eventually, the bus went off the road down into a dry riverbed. And into this big grove of bamboo that were taller, actually, than the bus.
Starting point is 00:07:08 And then, as I looked out one of the side windows, I saw that there was another van that was parked there. They parked the bus, and there was another green, there was a green van down there waiting for us. Even at the age of nine, little Jennifer Brown seemed to know the horror of that day should be documented. She later made this recording with her mom. And there was two guys standing from the bus door to the van door with guns, with pantyhose over their heads, so we wouldn't run out. And then, see, they pulled the van right up to the bus door. The kidnappers herded the stunned children from the bus into those two vans.
Starting point is 00:07:52 We had to jump from the bus to the van. So I wouldn't see any feet prints. Jennifer and her 10-year-old brother Jeff were immediately separated. And they took off and I kept telling my friends that I wanted Jeff. Jennifer and Larry Park were forced into the second van, already jam-packed with children, and the bus driver, Ed Ray, threatening them, the kidnapper with that shotgun. Walking toward it, the barrels on that gun seemed like they were getting so big that they were just going to swallow me up.
Starting point is 00:08:32 Inside the vans, the kidnappers had constructed makeshift jail cells. By installing wood paneling and even painting the windows, no one could see in or out. It was pitch dark. As a six-year-old, the only way that I can describe this darkness is that it was trying to get me. The kidnappers sped off with the children, caged in those mobile prisons. And I felt like I was an animal going to the slaughterhouse. Around that time, Jennifer and Jeff's mom, Joan Brown, came home from work to an empty house. The children were not there.
Starting point is 00:09:21 No peanut butter on the counter, no chairs out there. Well, they just weren't there. chairs out there? Well, they just weren't there. As one hour turned to two, worried parents began helping the police retrace the school bus's route, crisscrossing dozens of rural roads. Where were those children? 26 of them and a bus driver. Nowhere. And then, just before sunset, a police pilot spotted the big bus about seven miles outside Chowchilla, hidden in the dry riverbed.
Starting point is 00:10:03 You would only see it from the air. Madera County Sheriff Ed Bates rushed to the scene. His deputies had already found the bus. Empty. The children and the driver gone. We found tire impressions in the sand. That led straight to the front door of the bus. Obviously someone had backed their vehicle up to the doors of the bus. Sheriff Bates was convinced. I called the governor. I said, I need some help down here. The children
Starting point is 00:10:32 of Chowchilla had become the victims of a brazen and bizarre mass kidnapping. I had the parents all assembled there in the fire station. Well, you could just look at their faces, and the anxiety and the fear was there. I told them I called the FBI. All of a sudden, I had 30 FBI agents there. As Sheriff Bates continued to widen the investigation, the children continued to suffer inside the sweltering pitch black vans. Didn't know where we were going, didn't know what they were going to do with this. And we drove what seemed like for hours upon hours upon hours.
Starting point is 00:11:23 like for hours upon hours upon hours. And I remember that I kept falling asleep and coming back awake. I would dream about being, I would dream about being up in the forest where my family would go camping. We all tried to comfort each other. And a few of my little friends that are five and six that came over and started laying on me and crying. And I told them be brave because everything's going to be all right. Then the van started to slow down. The kids could feel it, pulling off the road, lurching from side to side on rough terrain before coming to a stop after nearly 12 unbearable hours. after nearly 12 unbearable hours.
Starting point is 00:12:27 They opened up the door and they took Ed Ray out first. They shut the doors back, and then there was nothing. There was no sound. And I remember they would just grab the first kid that was inside the door. And they just kept doing that. They opened the door and they grabbed somebody else. They would open up the door. They would take one of us out and close the door. They would take a kid, they'd close the door.
Starting point is 00:12:44 One by one. It'd be a couple of minutes, and then they would open the door again. They would up the door. They'd take one of us out and close the door. They'd take a kid, they'd close the door. One by one. It'd be a couple of minutes, and then they would open the door again. They'd take one of us out and close the door. And I kept scooting to the back of the van. And I thought, maybe if I just hide in the corner, they won't come for me. But they did. Have you ever wondered who created that bottle of sriracha that's living in your fridge? Or why nearly every house in America has at least one game of Monopoly?
Starting point is 00:13:10 Introducing The Best Idea Yet, a brand new podcast from Wondery and T-Boy about the surprising origin stories of the products you're obsessed with and the bold risk-takers who brought them to life. Like, did you know that Super Mario, the best selling video game character of all time, only exists because Nintendo couldn't get the rights to Popeye? Or Jack, that the idea for the McDonald's Happy Meal first came from a mom in Guatemala?
Starting point is 00:13:35 From Pez dispensers to Levi's 501s to Air Jordans, discover the surprising stories of the most viral products. Plus, we guarantee that after listening, you're going to dominate your next dinner party. So follow The Best Idea Yet on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to The Best Idea Yet early and ad-free right now by joining Wondery+.
Starting point is 00:13:56 It's just the best idea yet. As a kid growing up in Chicago, there was one horror movie I was too scared to watch. It was called Candyman. It was about this supernatural killer who would attack his victims if they said his name five times into a bathroom mirror. But did you know that the movie Candyman was partly inspired by an actual murder? I was struck by both how spooky it was, but also how outrageous it was. Listen to Candyman, the true story behind the bathroom
Starting point is 00:14:26 mirror murder, early and ad-free with a 48 hours plus subscription on Apple Podcasts. I didn't know if it was in the desert, at the beach, in the side of a mountain. I had no idea where we were. I didn't even know if we were in California.
Starting point is 00:14:51 After almost 12 grueling hours in darkness, the kidnappers pulled Jennifer from one of the vans. One guy asked us our name, and we told it to him. One guy asked us our age, and we told him our age. And then I looked. They had a wooden ladder down into a hole in the ground. And then I remember them telling me,
Starting point is 00:15:16 you need to climb down there. You need to go down there. And I thought, oh, they're sending us to hell. I didn't know where we were going. Down underground, Jennifer found herself in an old truck trailer. In fact, the kidnappers had buried it. Ed, Ray, and the rest of the children from her van were there too. I've always referred to it as the hole.
Starting point is 00:15:43 48 hours obtained these rarely seen photos from inside the hole. There was a table set up in the back. It was surrounded with jugs of drinking water. And then on the table, there were different food items. Boxes of cereal, peanut butter, and loaves of bread. They had made toilets in the wheel wells. They had cut holes in them for toilets. We could hear fans, so we knew that there was some sort of ventilation.
Starting point is 00:16:21 14-year-old Michael Marshall was still in the other van with some of the youngest children. I just remember the kids got a hold of me or were holding on to me and just scared out of their, you know, we're all just scared out of our wits. As they did before, the kidnappers removed the children one by one. Michael and the youngest, five-year-old Monica Artery, were the last ones left in the van. It was just me and her. Not knowing what had happened to the other children, or if they were even alive, Michael says he couldn't bear to hand Monica over to the kidnappers. So when they opened the doors again, he went first.
Starting point is 00:17:08 I had to take her hands from mine and rip them apart, say it would be okay, and go with them and leave her. That was hard. That was hard. As soon as I got on that ladder and took a step down, and I heard the rest of the kids say, it's Mike, it's Mike, it's Michael. And I realized that everybody was alive.
Starting point is 00:17:49 And to his relief, not long after, Monica came climbing down that ladder. They were all together again. We're okay. We're okay. We're okay. So right now, so far, we're all right. But the sense of relief was short-lived. Before I knew it, the ladder was gone. They threw a rolled toilet paper down and said, we'll be back for you. And that was it.
Starting point is 00:18:13 The kidnappers then covered the opening with a manhole cover. I remember it just went dark. And you just hear the material getting thrown on us. We were being buried alive. Buried 12 feet underground. Ed Ray and Mike Marshall, they looked at every corner, every wall for an escape
Starting point is 00:18:36 route, got underneath the manhole cover, pushed up on it. They couldn't move it. So Ed Ray determined that it was time for everyone to get some rest. The minutes and hours ticked by. It would be silent, and then somebody would bust out crying, and the whole, it would just erupt, everybody crying.
Starting point is 00:19:04 crying and the whole, it would just erupt, every crying. The thing that made me cry was not being able to say goodbye to my mom. And I'm remembering the last time that I saw her, and wishing I could have told her goodbye. Throughout much of this day, parents and other family of the missing children came to the command post set up in downtown Chowchilla to try desperately to fathom some reason out of this madness. Carol Marshall's 14-year-old son Mike was another on the bus. Any chance at all this could be some kind of terrible hoax or joke that
Starting point is 00:19:49 someone is playing? I imagine there's a chance. I hope that's all it is. This was one of the largest kidnappings in U.S. history. So far there's been no word from any abductors. Two heavily laden vehicles had taken 26 children and their bus driver. That's not easy to do. How did they control them? And what did they do with them? As investigators intensified their search, Jennifer and Jeff's mom, Joan, waited by the phone,
Starting point is 00:20:19 hoping to hear news about her children. I remember later that day praying and saying to God that if you bring them back, I will promise you that I will. And then I stopped because there was nothing I could offer in exchange for my children. They had been in the hole for almost 12 hours, and the conditions were deteriorating. We had eaten the food. The fans on the ventilator stopped.
Starting point is 00:20:56 My little brain started to grasp the concept of, we may really not go home. we may really not go home. There was this one boy, and he kept kicking blocks out from underneath the 4x4 pillars. And so the roof of the van was starting to cave in. The seams were breaking. Dust was flowing through. And I remember children just screaming and crying.
Starting point is 00:21:26 The sides of the van were bowing in. I knew that I was going to die. I knew it. We thought, and they said, the older kids and Edward, if we're going to die, we're going to have a lot of sense of time. There was no sunlight, so you couldn't tell if it was day or night. We were out of food. We were out of water. The roof was caving in.
Starting point is 00:22:17 It just was a desperate situation. So Ed Ray and Mike Marshall took a bunch of these mattresses that we were laying on, and they stacked them on top of each other right underneath the manhole cover. They took turns pushing up on it. I'm giving it everything I got, and all the kids are cheering me on, you know, go on, Mike, you can do it, you can do it. Then all of a sudden they said, it moved, it moved. But they were far from being free.
Starting point is 00:22:54 The children would quickly learn that escaping was not going to be easy. The kidnappers had put truck batteries and dirt on top of the manhole cover and constructed a wooden box around it. Once the manhole cover was moved, that box was just big enough for Michael to stand in. Like Jennifer, Michael Marshall made a recording about his experience. I get on top of it. I start pounding on this box. I started hitting and pounding and hitting and pounding. He dug until he was exhausted, and then he kept on digging. There was no quit in him. that our head was down, so we were kind of pretty scared.
Starting point is 00:23:54 Then suddenly, this ray of sunlight... This ray of sunlight came down into the opening. It was catching the dust and the dust particles looked like a bunch of shooting stars. There was this airflow that came out of the van and I knew we were free. I need a minute. The air and the light, there was beaming coming through. Mike Marshall actually, brave person that he is, crawled out of the hole first. And I stuck my head out, and I didn't see anybody. And I could see we were in the hills. We were in big trees.
Starting point is 00:25:04 It looked totally like a sand dune. There was no way to know that there was anything below. There was no way to know that we were in there. It was totally camouflaged. It was approximately 8 p.m. on July 16th when Ed, Ray, and the children emerged. They had been in the hole for nearly 16 hours. and the children emerged. They had been in the hole for nearly 16 hours.
Starting point is 00:25:29 We all just scurried like a bunch of little mice, and we heard some noises, machinery and equipment, and then we thought, oh my God, what if it's them? What if we're going right to the men that took us? But they felt they had no choice but to keep going. We started walking towards the equipment that we heard. We saw conveyor belts, excavators. It looked like the Flintstones. And all these men with hard hats came to us and looked at us like,
Starting point is 00:26:01 who are you? And I remember Edward saying, we're from Chowchilla and we're lost. The kidnappers had buried them in a rock quarry in Livermore, California, 100 miles away from Chowchilla. When police arrived, as evidence, they took photos of every child. Then they transported them to the closest place that could hold them, the Santa Rita Rehabilitation Center, a local jail. I remember going in in the bus, and you could see the prison wire. And you thought, well, they're taking us into jail.
Starting point is 00:26:51 They took us into what looked like classrooms. They brought us apples and soda. They had these peverals and all those little kids got into them and we had to roll the pants up about 10 feet and then we rolled the arms up and we were all sitting there. Some of them didn't roll our arms up and we were sitting there flapping our arms. We said, hey, we can fly. Over the next few hours, Ed Ray and the children were examined by doctors. They were also questioned by police, but they could tell them very little about the kidnappers. How do you describe somebody that has pantyhose over their face?
Starting point is 00:27:30 After four hours of questioning, they were finally allowed to go home. They put us on a greyhound, escorted us back to Chowchilla. It was time for Mom and Dad. I just wanted my Mom and Dad. It was 4 a.m. when the bus arrived at last. It had been almost 36 hours since their traumatic ordeal began. The scene was like a mob scene. News cameras and TV lights.
Starting point is 00:28:06 Everybody started saying, are you all right, Jennifer, and all this stuff. I said, yeah, I'm fine. Then whenever we got into this room, I found my mom and my dad. We pulled up to church and I was asleep. So when I got off the bus, everybody started taking pictures of me.
Starting point is 00:28:26 I'm like, I didn't know what I was doing. I was like... This man carried me off the bus and he put me in my mom's arms. And I said, hi, mom, and fell asleep on her shoulder. I felt like I was finally safe. Ever since the kidnapping a little more than a week ago, the parents and relatives of the 26 children have been spending a lot of restless nights
Starting point is 00:29:15 waiting for each new development and hopeful that authorities will soon apprehend. We had no idea what our kids had been through. None whatsoever. How does it feel to be a big movie star? I don't know. I've never been a movie star before. For nine-year-old Jennifer Brown, the experience has allowed her to still see the world with compassion. Why do you suppose that they would do something like that?
Starting point is 00:29:37 I don't know. They didn't have enough love. She had horrible nightmares. She had horrible nightmares. She would run screaming into our bedroom, and she wasn't even awake. And she would tell us later that she dreamt that they were lined up and shot. One night, I was dreaming that I was falling down this hole and I was trying to get out. I started screaming for
Starting point is 00:30:11 my mom. Mom came in and all I could do was cry. And all she could do was hold me. There was nothing more that could be done. Hot shot Australian attorney Nicola Gaba was born into legal royalty. Her specialty? Representing some of the city's most infamous gangland criminals.
Starting point is 00:30:43 However, while Nicola held the underworld's darkest secrets, the most dangerous secret was her own. She's going to all the major groups within Melbourne's underworld, and she's informing on them all. I'm Marcia Clark, host of the new podcast, Informants Lawyer X. In my long career in criminal justice as a prosecutor and defense attorney, I've seen some crazy cases, and this one belongs right at the top of the list. She was addicted to the game she had created.
Starting point is 00:31:09 She just didn't know how to stop. Now, through dramatic interviews and access, I'll reveal the truth behind one of the world's most shocking legal scandals. Listen to Informant's Lawyer X exclusively on Wondery+. Join Wondery in the Wondery app, Apple Podcasts, or Spotify. And listen to more Exhibit C true crime shows early and ad free right now. In the Pacific Ocean, halfway between Peru and New Zealand, lies a tiny volcanic island. It's a little known British territory called Pitcairn. And it harboured a deep, dark scandal.
Starting point is 00:31:48 There wouldn't be a girl on Pitcairn once they reach the age of 10 that would still a virgin. It just happens to all of us. I'm journalist Luke Jones, and for almost two years, I've been investigating a shocking story that has left deep scars on generations of women and girls from Pitcairn. When there's nobody watching, nobody going to report it, people will get away with what they can get away with.
Starting point is 00:32:11 In the Pitcairn Trials, I'll be uncovering a story of abuse and the fight for justice that has brought a unique, lonely Pacific island to the brink of extinction. Listen to the Pitcairn Trials exclusively on Wondery Plus. Join Wondery Plus in the Wondery app, Apple Podcasts or Spotify. Today, in this rock quarry, they unearthed the truck that was prisoned and very nearly a tomb for 26 children and their school bus driver.
Starting point is 00:32:51 Unearthing the who and why of all this is much harder. In the days following the kids' escape, investigators searched the rock quarry and the van that had been their underground tomb, hoping they would find clues that would lead them to the kidnappers. They looked to see who would have keys to the quarry. In order to have access to bury this moving container undetected, you would have to have access. Assistant District Attorney Jill Klinge. Fred Woods had keys to that quarry.
Starting point is 00:33:22 Assistant District Attorney Jill Klinge. Fred Woods had keys to that quarry. 24-year-old Frederick Newhall Woods, the son of the owner of the quarry, immediately became a person of interest. They looked at the ledger, surveillance tapes, and started to put it all together at that point. Security guards told investigators they had seen three young men digging a large hole in the quarry months before the kidnapping. One of them, they said, was Fred Woods.
Starting point is 00:33:51 And Woods had a record. Two years earlier, he had been charged with grand theft auto. Arrested with him were two of his friends, James Schoenfeld, Fred's partner in a used car business, and James's younger brother, Richard. All three were from wealthy families who lived in San Francisco's nicest suburbs. They escaped with a fine and probation. They're young, they're wealthy. I think it added a component of fascination to the story
Starting point is 00:34:22 because it was so unlikely that three men such as these would commit such an atrocious crime. Investigators executed a warrant to search Fred Woods' father's estate. For the last two days, the Woods estate has looked like an armed camp, dozens of officers looking for anything. What they found there was a treasure trove of evidence. We were able to recover one of the guns that was used during this kidnapping. 43 years later, the Alameda County District Attorney's Office opened the evidence vault to 48 hours. This crime was planned out for a year
Starting point is 00:34:58 and a half in intricate detail. You actually have a document labeled plan, and it sets out the way they were going to commit the kidnapping, and then they, on the right-hand side, put how they would compensate or deal with what could go wrong. They also recovered the draft of a ransom note. The draft of the ransom note says 2.5 million dollars, but in actuality they were going to ask for 5 million dollars from the state of California. But the kidnappers were never able to deliver their demand. When they tried to call the Chowchilla Police Department, because of the number of calls that were coming in worldwide, the phone lines were jammed. They couldn't get through, so they took a nap.
Starting point is 00:35:39 And by the time they woke up, they saw on the news that the kids had been found. So they were never able to request their ransom. And so the search is on nationwide for these three men and their... Arrest warrants were issued. Richard Schoenfeld turned himself in. Fred Woods and James Schoenfeld fled California.
Starting point is 00:35:59 But not for long. James Schoenfeld was captured at dawn today. Police say he ran hard all over the western United States, but he did not run well. Frederick Woods was arrested by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police this afternoon just across the Washington state border in Vancouver. I remember watching on TV thinking, they're so young. Hoping that the children could identify the kidnappers by their voices,
Starting point is 00:36:34 the suspects were put in video lineups and asked to repeat phrases the kidnappers used. Number four, will you repeat after me? Get to the back of the bus. Get to the back of the bus? Be quiet. How are you kids doing? Get to the back of the bus. Be quiet. How are you kids doing? So what drove these young men, seemingly well-off, to kidnap young children for money?
Starting point is 00:36:58 James Schoenfeld eventually said despite their parents' wealth, he and Fred Woods were in serious debt. He explained it this way. We needed multiple victims to get multiple millions, and we picked children because children are precious. The state would be willing to pay ransom for them, and they don't fight back. I think that the two Schoenfelds did it just on pure persuasion by Fred Woods. Fred Woods, in my own personal opinion, and I have a master's degree, I think he was a sociopath. Some might call him a psychopath. With the overwhelming evidence against him, Woods and the Schoenfels pleaded guilty to 27 counts of kidnapping for ransom and robbery.
Starting point is 00:37:36 But they refused to plead guilty to eight counts of bodily harm. Those charges would send them to prison for life without the possibility of parole. Those charges would send them to prison for life without the possibility of parole. So 16 months after their abduction, Jennifer, Michael, and some of the other children faced the kidnappers in court. They testified that in addition to the emotional trauma, they had suffered physical wounds like cuts, bruises, and burns. The kidnappers were sitting to my left at a table. I didn't want to look at them.
Starting point is 00:38:17 I remember giving my dad my gum because I told him I was going to spit my gum at him. You say they would give you this funny look. What did that make you feel? Scared. I did my testimony. I answered my questions, and I left that courtroom with my head held high, and there was no way that I was going to let them see me cry. A California judge today imposed mandatory life prison sentences
Starting point is 00:38:36 without parole on those three young men who kidnapped 26 children. Life imprisonment without the possibility of parole. That was all we needed. That was all we needed. That's what we needed. I remember thinking, they're going to go to jail. They're not going to do this to anybody else. That's all that I need to know. Life in Chowchilla had returned to normal.
Starting point is 00:39:01 The survivors thought their nightmare was finally over. But it was just beginning. Bye, Jennifer! Bye! Just five weeks after being buried alive, the gutsy children of Chowchilla and their bus driver, Ed Ray, were hailed as heroes. There was even a trip to Disneyland. Everyone thought that was great because the good memories of Disneyland would overshadow the bad memories of the kidnapping. And when the kidnappers were sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole, the legal ordeal seemed to be over, finally. In a way, you try to be normal, but when you've gone through something that's so traumatic, it's hard to go back and be a normal kid again.
Starting point is 00:40:08 traumatic. It's hard to go back and be a normal kid again. The survivors struggled to move forward, but just four years after the kidnappings, a critical turning point that meant even more trauma. Prosecutor Jill Klinge. The kidnappers' lawyers appealed the finding of bodily harm, and the appellate court overturned it, and while acknowledging the horrific nature of the crime, stated that the injuries suffered did not rise to the level of bodily harm under the law. So their sentence was thrown out. Fred Woods and the Schoenfeld brothers were resentenced to life with the possibility of parole. I felt like I had been betrayed by the justice system. Larry and the other survivors faced a frightening new reality,
Starting point is 00:40:56 the prospect of dozens of parole hearings for years to come, and someday, freedom for the kidnappers. It was extremely difficult for the survivors. Just six years after the kidnappings, the parade of parole hearings began. Every time one of the kidnappers came up for parole, it triggered all their fears and trauma from being kidnapped. Prosecutor Klinge has handled the hearings since 2007. They sit in the same room and it's not a large room with the kidnapper.
Starting point is 00:41:35 For all three kidnappers, Klinge says there have been about 60 parole hearings to date. It takes the victims back to the day this happened, back to when they were five or ten or six. The one thing that always sticks with me is they will never know who they would have been or what their life would have been like if they hadn't been kidnapped. By the time I turned 10 years old, I was just an angry child. Growing up, Larry's anger often turned to rage. His parents, fearing he was capable of violence, placed him in a facility for youth offenders when he was 15. By the time I was 21, I was using meth, I was smoking crack. I was doing acid.
Starting point is 00:42:25 And I was just angry. I could see years ahead of me. And then after the kidnapping, I could not see tomorrow. Michael Marshall, the hero who never quit digging in the underground prison, left Chowchilla to become a rodeo cowboy and lost his way. I went to bed at 18, drunk and hungover and blacked out, and woke up about 48, you know, with a hangover. Blurry.
Starting point is 00:42:59 The victims are the ones that are being punished and always will be. And they watched helplessly as Richard Schoenfeld was the first to be granted parole in June 2012, 36 years after the kidnappings. Three years later, James Schoenfeld was paroled. As far as I know, they have not been in any kind of trouble and I know they have not returned to prison. The same cannot be said for Fred Woods. Fred Woods' behavior in prison is what keeps him in prison. Long considered to be the ringleader behind the kidnappings, Woods has repeatedly been caught with pornography and cell phones in prison.
Starting point is 00:43:39 And that's not allowed. And one of the best indicators of an inability to obey the laws in society is that you can't obey the rules in prison. It was 28 hours of terror that will always be with the children, now middle-aged adults. that will always be with the children, now middle-aged adults. Today, Michael, Jennifer, and Larry have managed to find ways to get on with living. Healing continues, if you allow it. Larry Park, 49, owns a handyman business and volunteers as a pastor at a local church.
Starting point is 00:44:31 His nightmares have finally stopped, and he's sober. I have nine years sober. His sobriety was motivated by an epiphany about the kidnappers. My resentment for them was killing me. One night, I was laying in bed, and I said, God, help me to forgive them. Larry met the men, shook their hands, and did forgive them. Here he is with Richard Schoenfeld. It changed my life.
Starting point is 00:45:09 Something washed over me. And there was peace like I had never known. And I knew that day that I would be okay. Until just recently, Jennifer Brown Hyde, a wife, mother, and executive assistant, says she couldn't sleep without a nightlight. And I've had family and church family and co-workers that have piece by piece helped put me back together. And I want people to know that that little girl that was kidnapped and buried alive has managed to live a wonderful life. Michael Marshall, 57, husband, father, and now a long
Starting point is 00:45:57 distance trucker, tries not to think about the kidnappers. What they put my mom and dad through is something I can't, I cannot forgive. He's been sober for eight years with help from his family and his therapy dog, Blue. I rescued him before he was a year old, and now he rescues me every day. In 2019, kidnapper Fred Woods was denied parole. He is eligible for parole again in 2024. See more of the rare evidence photos on Facebook at 48 Hours. George Floyd's death has inspired a movement. We are witnessing it right now.
Starting point is 00:46:54 Where do things go for you now? We have to talk to people, listen. Why is it important to you guys to come out? If we just stayed home, nothing would change. What do you hope comes from this? This is what's coming from it. The change is here. If you like this podcast, you can listen ad-free right now by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app.
Starting point is 00:47:24 Before you go, tell us about yourself by filling out a quick survey at wondery.com slash survey.

There aren't comments yet for this episode. Click on any sentence in the transcript to leave a comment.