48 Hours - Post Mortem | When Selonia Reed Never Came Home
Episode Date: June 30, 202648 Hours Correspondent Anne-Marie Green and CBS News National Correspondent Vladimir Duthiers discuss the 1987 murder of Selonia Reed that went unsolved for over thirty years. This episode last aired ...on 4/15/2025.
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Welcome back to 48 hours post-mortem.
I'm your host, Anne Marie Green.
And today we're talking to CBS News national correspondent
Vladimir Dutier about the murder of Solonia Reed
in Hammond, Louisiana in 1987.
Solonia's husband, Reginald said that she went out to a local bar
with a girlfriend and that she never came back home.
Reginal filed a missing person's report the next day
and gave a description of the car that she drove.
Well, shortly after that, a patrol officer discovered Salonia's car parked at a nearby grocery store.
Inside, they found her body. She had been stabbed 16 times.
Solonia's son, Reggie Jr. was only six years old at the time.
And for over three decades, her murder went unsolved.
And then in 2012, 25 years after the murder, Reggie was shocked to learn that his own father was a prime suspect in the case.
So, Vlad, thanks for joining us today.
It's great to be here.
Thanks, Amory.
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All right, Vlad, let's get into this.
Back in 1987, there were actually already a couple pieces of evidence that pointed to Reginald Senior.
There was a witness.
A witness that came forward spotted Reginal
and spotted his friend Jimmy Ray Barnes
at the crime scene that night that she was murdered.
The witness wrote down his license plate.
Investigators also discovered
that Reginald had taken out
several life insurance policies on her
leading up to the murder.
If you watch 48 hours, you know,
life insurance policies,
like that's always, you know,
that's always a little suspect.
That's a red flag.
why wasn't he charged in the very beginning?
It's probably one of the most confounding questions of this investigation that we did.
First of all, the DA from back in 1987 has died.
So we can't understand or know why he didn't charge Reginal.
But we do know that Lieutenant Barry Ward, who helped solve the case, admits that even with the evidence that you just cited,
there was really no smoking gun back in 1987.
And the lawyers who represented Reginald explained that they thought that the eyewitness
who wrote down the license plate number of the car that she thought was a suspicious vehicle
the night of the murder might have been coached.
There was something in the way that the notes were written by this eyewitness that were suspicious
according to them.
So there was that.
And also something that we all found incredibly fascinating
is when there was a photo array,
photo lineup of the potential suspects,
all of the photos that were used
were pictures of either Reginald Reed's seniors, brothers,
or the Barnes twins, siblings.
And somehow this eyewitness picked out Reginal.
So we don't know why.
By 1987, there were no charges bought. But again, this was all speculation because the district
attorney in 1987 has long died. You flashed forward, right? And then there's new evidence that's
discovered. At the crime scene, police found Winston Cigarettes or a Cigarette. In 2012,
Lieutenant Ward was finally able to test what he found. And they get a match, right? And Codas,
which is the FBI's National DNA Database.
There's a twist, though, because the match is to Billy Ray Barnes, the twin brother of Jimmy Ray Barnes.
And, of course, the witness identified Jimmy.
So when I saw that in the hour, I thought this is where the twist is going to come in to tell you the truth because I knew with identical twins, I have the same DNA.
And that could be quite complicated.
So first of all, until I, and I've been a reporter now for over a decade, this was the first that I knew that identical twins shared identical DNA.
I didn't know that.
And so when I discovered that, that was sort of a moment for me, you know, head explode moment.
And that became a huge complication in figuring out who was ultimately the responsible party for that Winston cigarette that was found in the.
car.
Mm-hmm.
So then was Billy Ray Barnes ever suspect in this case?
No, he was not.
Detective Ward told us that they questioned Billy.
He cooperated.
He was in the photo lineup.
But in the end, to your question, he was never identified or classified as a suspect.
What is really kind of unique, I think, about this 48 hours episode is that so much of it is
told through the lens of Reggie Jr., who was a child.
A small child, he was only six years old,
and watching him in the police video
is just heartbreaking.
I put myself in his shoes at six years old.
I thought of my daughter, who's only two,
but I could imagine just like any parent could
what it would be like to have an adult
that you've never met before, asking you questions
and even though they're perfectly nice,
you know that children, even if an adult is nice,
they are reticent, they are,
They cling to their parents until there's a level of comfortability.
And when you hear him start to cry for his mother or his father, it just blew me away.
It really was a moment where I had to pause in the interview while watching that.
He is leaning on his father, right, to show him some sort of tenderness.
Because that's his safe island.
And I just found myself sort of reading everything into his father's body language, internally yelling at the screen, saying, hug him, hold him, protect him, do something.
Yeah, that's, that is another mystery.
His father was a Marine, and they're tough.
They're known to be tough.
A lot of the lessons that Reginald Sr. imparted on Reggie Jr.
or were based on his experience
and the lessons that Reggie Senior
learned in the Marine Corps,
according to Reggie.
And remember, Reggeline Sr.
was also still fairly young man.
And, you know, if you're not used to dealing
with something like this,
look, everybody's afraid in the face of police officers.
Maybe you're tense too.
And so your kid is tense, but you're tense,
and you know that you want the child
to be.
be able to answer the questions that the police officials are asking.
So you'd sort of leave them out there on that branch alone
while they try to get answers from your kid.
Because maybe you think that hugging the child
or might be seen as somehow coaching or prodding the child to do something.
So maybe, I don't know.
This is just me watching the video the same way you did
in the same way our audience that I'd be very curious to see
what the audience says.
I know that 48 hours has a lot of people who chat on Reddit
and who chat on social media about an episode,
what it would be like to have you go into an interrogation room
with a six-year-old child, your six-year-old child
and have them be interrogated,
even the child knows nothing.
What would they do?
How would they react?
And when they start to whine and then they start to cry,
what do you do in that situation?
I don't know.
So you fast forward to 2012, right?
And Reggie Jr., he's 31 years old.
He's living in Texas out of the blue.
Texas Rangers come to his door and they tell him something he has never considered in his life,
that his father is a suspect, the main suspect, in his mother's murder.
They're from a small town.
We know, I mean, people talk.
Reggie Jr. had never heard this at all.
I thought it was odd as well, Amory.
You're in a small town.
You know, this is a family that people know.
People talk.
Reggie Jr. maintains that he never heard anyone saying that his dad was involved in the murder of his mother.
And his father actually sort of, in a way, kind of rearranged his life.
Like, he moved into another school and everything, right?
Yeah, he moved into a Catholic school.
Now, he later wondered if this was intentional.
Perhaps they wanted to remove him.
from neighborhood gossip regarding his mother.
So we'll talk a little bit about Hammond, right?
It's a town in the South.
Yeah, about 22,000 residents, small town.
Reginald had 16 siblings.
It was a big family.
Big family.
Didn't come from money.
They weren't wealthy,
but perhaps by some standards in that small town
as an African-American family,
they were perhaps social mobility-wise, a step above some of the other folks in the community.
The other thing that is sort of interesting when these questions around whether the family was, quote, unquote, connected or not,
or whether they had connections, when Reginald Sr. took out life insurance policies on Salonia.
he didn't get any signature from his wife, Salonia Reed.
And the insurance guy objected at first,
but because he knew the Reed family,
he let it go.
Right.
And he later testified in court that he knew that he had messed up,
that he'd made a mistake, a grave error,
by not getting Salonia Reed's signature
on those life insurance policies.
Right.
It's sort of the pros and cons of kind of a small town community, right?
You love that familiarity.
And then sort of on the flip side, though, here you have the situation where this insurance agent probably risked his own license.
I mean, because you're not supposed to do that.
That's right.
People are supposed to know when someone's taken out a life insurance policy on them.
Welcome back.
So Lieutenant Ward's investigation really did a lot to push the case forward, but he still could not.
get a DA to actually charge Reginal Reed until prosecutor Taylor Anthony got on the case,
and this is in 2018 now. And he actually went with Lieutenant Ward to Atlanta to offer Jimmy Ray
Barnes a deal to testify in court. Now, just so people know, DAs don't do that. They sit in their
office, police present the evidence to them, and they say thumbs up or thumbs down or go out and get
more evidence, but they don't go out. How unusual was this? I thought it was incredibly unusual for
the prosecutor to go on a road trip like the one Anthony and Ward took to Atlanta. But, you know,
the case would not have been solved if they hadn't had this sense of purpose, this sense of
mission. Taylor Anthony, the way that he spoke about it to me, the way he spoke about justice for Solonia,
He struck me as somebody who was on a mission and ultimately he wanted this young mother to have in a sense of justice.
And he talked about how this was also for Reggie Jr.
That's how he feels, Taylor Anthony.
But yeah, it also speaks to the fact that Taylor Anthony was able to get Ward to agree with his sense of purpose and his sense of mission to take the trip.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
They do not get Jimmy Ray Barnes to agree, though.
They can't convince him.
Yeah.
He ended up refusing to testify.
He was scared.
He talked about, you know, instances where he felt his life had been threatened by Reginald, Sr.
And for those reasons, he was afraid of testifying.
So he said at the time, and after Jimmy Ray was ultimately arrested, he cut a plea deal.
with assistant district attorney, Anthony.
That was actually, ultimately, it turned out to be worse than the deal that they originally offered him.
In this new deal, Jimmy Ray was sentenced to five years in prison in exchange for testifying against Reginald Reed.
Yeah, I mean, when they come knocking the first time around, that's probably the best deal you're going to get.
So Reginald's trial, murder trial, begins November 14th, 2020.
It is more than 30 years after Salonia's murder.
He was defended by a mother-daughter team, Vanessa Williams, very memorable name, and Latoya Williams-Simon.
I don't think I've ever seen a mother-daughter defense duo before.
What were they like?
An incredible duo, these two women.
I told them, I told my producers, these women need their own reality show.
the mother went to law school with her daughter.
Like, can you imagine, Amory?
With her daughter?
Yep.
Yeah.
I don't remember how old she was,
but she would take classes with her young daughter there.
Okay.
At first I thought they went to law school at the same time.
But she's got a little kid doing her little kid homework and she's doing her
law school homework.
Exactly.
Exactly right.
Exactly right.
They were just so interesting and captivating and charismatic and charismatic as the
defense attorneys, but also incredibly buttoned up. They came with reams and reams and reams of
documents that they were willing to spend hours with me going through if I wanted to.
Did you get the sense from them that they felt this is a bad case, like a poor case against him,
or this guy didn't do it? He's being railroaded. I don't know whether they believe or don't
believe that Reginald committed this crime. I just know that they passionately, fervently,
believe that the state did not prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Reginald Reed killed Salone.
What they said over and over again is every time the prosecution put something out there for the
jury to absorb, there was evidence that they uncovered that would lead a normal person to have
some reasonable doubt. So they say there was a lot of evidence that they just couldn't present, that
that the jury didn't hear.
Like what?
So Vanessa and Latoya explained to me
how completely not credible Jimmy Ray Barnes was
that Barnes had been arrested for a number of violent crimes.
In fact, some of the crimes that he had been arrested for
and that he had served time for were assault, battery,
with deadly weapons.
Right.
So something that the jury did hear about, though, from Taylor Anthony, the prosecutor, was about the life insurance policies.
$700,000.
He said $700,000 worth of reasons to kill this woman.
There you go.
So that's a lot of money today.
It was a lot more money, you know, 30 years ago.
So what happened with that money?
So we do know that with the money that Reginal Reed Sr. received, he was able to open up a nightclub. He bought a car. He was able to send Reggie Jr. to private school. The insurance company set up a trust fund for Reginald Jr., $248,000 that he could access when he turned 18. He says he never got the money. Reginald Jr. He never got the money. He never got the money. He said he paid his own way to college. According to, uh,
Detective Ward. Reggie says that the day that he turned 18, his father woke him up, got him out of bed,
made him sign some papers or asked him to sign some papers. We don't know what those are.
Reggie doesn't remember, but he never got the money. Vanessa and Latoya Williams told me
he took out insurance policies on everybody. He took out a life insurance policy on Reginald Jr.
They say that he took out life insurance policies on family members,
but I still think if you're a juror and you're hearing that,
you would think it suspicious.
And I think that what was fascinating to me is when I asked Reggie Jr.,
the questions that I'm asking you, where's that money?
Why do you take out of life insurance policy on you?
Have you asked him?
Yeah.
And what does he say?
And he sort of hems and haws as to what his,
father answers. His dad is convicted, right? A jury finds Reginal Reed guilty on November 18th,
2022. He's guilty of second-degree murder. And here's the thing that he remains connected to his
father, but he is not connected to his mother's family. Solonius sister, Gwen Smith, says she's
worried about him. Why does he not have a connection to his mother's side? This is,
this part of the story is incredibly murky, even for us to understand.
It goes into family dynamics.
The family of Salonia Reed believes that Reginald Sr.
killed Salonia Reed.
There's no doubt in their minds that he did it.
And because of that, and because Reggie himself has questions that linger,
it has led to this tension.
And so for Reggie, it's hard.
You've got this enormously large family
and everybody's got an idea of what they think happened
or what they think didn't happen.
So I can imagine the turmoil that he feels.
Yeah.
You know, we want to believe often as humans
that people can be all one thing,
that we can put them in a box.
and for Reginal
his father
is not all one thing
and whether he believes
that he killed his mother or not
that's not all he is
to Reginald.
And you can see
that this will be
a lifelong struggle
for him wrestling with this.
You're right.
He named his daughter,
Salonia,
which I thought was beautiful.
And I found it fascinating
that he
was
willing to share as much as he shared with me and to not be, to not be definitive about what he
believes or what he doesn't believe or, you know what I mean?
Like, he didn't say, my dad didn't do it.
Right.
He was just sort of like, what you think that you would say to a reporter, right?
No, my dad could never do that.
He raised me.
He's a great guy.
He did, da, da, da, da, da.
He didn't say that to me.
He just said, you know, I don't know, man.
And I just found that to be really interesting from just a journal.
journalist perspective. And then you have Taylor Anthony, the assistant district attorney,
who believes fervently that in 1987, this young black woman was brutally murdered and no one did
anything about it, at least the way he sees it. And he was going to do something about it. And if people
don't like it, if people who are family members don't like it, he sympathizes. But in his mind,
he believes that Solonia Reed is resting easier today because he put behind bars the man he believes
killed her. Wow. It's a great hour, Vlad. It's an incredible story and you did an excellent job.
It was really an incredible experience. This is only my second 48 hours hour. And I always
appreciate the opportunity to do a story like this where I can spend a lot of time digging
into the details, conducting long interviews with people as much as long as I need to do them.
And that's what we were able to do here, spend a lot of time with the attorney, spent a lot of
time with the cops on the case and with Reginald Jr. himself. I'm appreciative that he
was so willing to open up to us. And, you know, we spent hours and hours together, like hanging out.
And it's like we've developed this relationship now. You know, he expressed to me in the interviews
that we did, the hours of interviews that we did, I think how he truly, truly feels.
Absolutely. So, thank you for joining us.
Thanks, Amory.
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