A History of Rock Music in 500 Songs - Episode 139: “Eight Miles High” by the Byrds

Episode Date: December 22, 2021

Episode one hundred and thirty-nine of A History of Rock Music in Five Hundred Songs looks at “Eight Miles High” by the Byrds, and the influence of jazz and Indian music on psychedelic rock. This is a long one… Click the full post to read liner notes, links to more information, and a transcript of the episode. Patreon backers also have a ten-minute bonus episode available, on “Winchester Cathedral” by the New Vaudeville Band. Tilt Araiza has assisted invaluably by doing a first-pass edit, and will hopefully be doing so from now on. Check out Tilt’s irregular podcasts at http://www.podnose.com/jaffa-cakes-for-proust and http://sitcomclub.com/ (more…)

A History of Rock Music in 500 songs by Andrew Huck. Episode 139, 8 Miles High by The Birds. This episode is the second part of a loose trilogy of episodes set in L.A. in 66. We're going to be spending a lot of time around L.A. and Hollywood for the next few months. seven of the next 13 episodes are based there, and there'll be more after that. But it's going to take a while to get there. This is going to be an absurdly long episode. Because in order to get to L.A. in 1966 again,

we're going to have to start off in the 1940s in New York, and take a brief detour to India. Because in order to explain this, we're at first going to have to explain this. Before we begin this, I just want to say something. This episode runs long and covers a lot of musical ground, and as part of that it covers several of the most important musicians of the 20th century, but musicians in the fields of jazz,

which is a music I know something about but I'm not an expert in, and Hindustani classical music, which is very much not even close to my area of expertise. It also contains a chunk of music theory, which, again, I know a little about, but only really enough to know how much I don't know. I am going to try to get the information about these musicians right, but I want to emphasise that at times I will be straying vastly out of my lane

in ways that may well seem like they're minimising these musicians. I am trying to give just enough information about them to tell the story, and I would urge anyone who becomes interested in the music I talk about in the early parts of this episode to go out and find more expert sources to fill in the gap. And conversely, if you know more about the music, these musics than I do, please forgive any inaccuracies. I am going to do my best to get all of this right, because accuracy is important, but I suspect that every single sentence in the first hour or so of this episode could be footnoted with something pointing out all the places where what I've

said is only somewhat true. Also, I apologise if I mispronounce any names or words in this episode, though I've tried my best to get it right. I've been unable to find recordings of some words and names being spoken, while with others I've heard multiple versions. To tell today's story, we're going to have to go right back to some things we looked at in the first episode, on Flying Home. For those of you who don't remember, which is fair enough, since that episode was more than three years ago, in that episode we looked at a jazz record by the Benny Goodman sextet, which was one of the earliest popular recordings to feature electric guitar. Now, we talked about quite a lot of things in that episode.

which have played out in later episodes, but one thing we only mentioned in passing, there or later, was a style of music called bebop. We did talk about how Charlie Christian, the guitarist on that record, was one of the innovators of that style, but we didn't really go into what it was properly.

Indeed, I deliberately did not mention in that episode something that I was saving until now, because we actually heard two hugely influential bebop musicians in that episode, and I was leaving the other one to talk about here. In that episode we saw how Lionel Hampton, the Benny Goodman band's vibraphone player, went on to form his own band, and how that band became one of the foundational influences for the genres that became known as Jump Blues and R&B,

and we especially noted the saxophone solo on Hampton's remake of Flying Home, played by Illinois Jocet. We mentioned in that episode how Illinois Jeket's saxophone solo there set the template for all tenor sax playing in R&B and rock and roll music, for decades to come. His honking style became quite simply how you play rock and roll or R&B saxophone, and without that solo, you don't have any of the records by Fat's Domino, Little Richard, the Coasters, or a dozen other acts that we discussed. But what we didn't look at in that episode is that that is a big band record, so of course there is more than just one

saxophone player on it. And one of the other saxophone players on that recording is Dexter Gordon, a musician who was originally from LA. Those of you with long memories will remember that back in the first year or so of the podcast, we talked a lot about the music program at Jefferson High School in L.A. and about Samuel Brown, the music teacher whose music program gave the world the coasters, the penguins, the platters,

Etta James, Art Farmer, Richard Berry, Big J. McNerley, Barry White, and more other important musicians than I can possibly name here. Gordon was yet another of Brown students, one who Brown regularly gave attention to, just to make him practice his scales. Gordon didn't get much chance to shine in the Lionel Hampton band, because he was only second tenor, with Jacquette taking many of the solos. But he was learning from playing in a band with Jacquette, and while Gordon didn't ever develop a honk like Jacquesette, he did adopt some of Jiquette's full tone in his own sound.

There aren't many recordings of Gordon playing solos in his own. in his early years, because they coincided with the American Federation of Musicians' recording strike that we talked about in those early episodes. But he did record a few sessions in 1943, for a label small enough not to be covered by the band, and you can hear something of Jeket's tone in those recordings, along with the influence of Lester Young, who influenced all tennis-sax players at this time. The piano player on that session, incidentally, is Nat King Cole, when he was still one of the most respected jazz pianists on the scene, before he switched primarily to vocals.

And Gordon took this jacquette-influenced tone and used it to become the second-grade saxophone hero of Bebott music after Charlie Parker, and the first great tenor sax hero of the music. I've mentioned Bebop before on several occasions, but never really got into it in detail. It was a style that developed in New York in the mid-to-late 40s, and a lot of the earliest examples of it went unrecorded, thanks to that musician's strike.

But the style emphasised small groups improvising together and expanding their sense of melody and harmony. The music prized virtuosity and musical intelligence over everything else, and was fast and jittery sounding. The musicians would go on long extended improvisations, incorporating ideas both from the blues and from the modern classical music of people like Bartok and Stravinsky, which challenged conventional tonality.

In particular, one aspect which became prominent in bebop music was a type of scale known as the Bebop scale. In most of the music we've looked at in this podcast to this point, the scales used have been seven note scales, Dove Mifah Solati, which make an octave with a second higher Doh tone. So in the scale of C major, we have C-D-E-F-G-A-B and then another C. B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-Sales, on the other hand, would generally have an extra note in, making an 8-note scale by adding in what is called a chromatic passing note.

For example, a typical B-B-C-C-Mager scale might add in the note G-sharp, so the scale would go C-D-E-F-G-G-S-A-B-C. You'd play this extra note, for the most part, when moving between the two notes it's between. So in that scale, you'd mostly use it when moving from G to A, or from A to G. Now, I'm far from a bebop player, so this won't sound like bebop, but I can demonstrate the kind of thing if I first noodle a little scalar melody in the key of C major, and then play the same thing, but adding in a G sharp,

every time I go between the G and the A in either direction. That is not B-Bop music, but I hope you can see what a difference that chromatic passing tone makes to the melody. But again, that's not B-B-B-B-B-B-B-player. Dexter Gordon, though, was a Bebop player. He moved to New York while playing with Louis Armstrong's band, and soon became part of the Bebop scene, which at the time centred around Charlie Christian, the trumpet player Dizzy Gillespie,

and the alto-sax player Charlie Parker, sometimes nicknamed Bird or Yard Bird, who was often regarded as the greatest of them all. Gillespie, Parker and Gordon also played in Billy Eckstein's big band, which gave many of the leading Bebop musicians the opportunity to play in what was still the most popular idiom at the time. You can hear Gordon have a saxophone battle with Jean Ammons on blowing the blues away in a lineup of the band that also included Art Blakey on drums and Izzy Gillespie on trumpet. But Gordon was soon leading his own small band

sessions and making records for labels like Savoy, on which you can definitely hear the influence of Illinois jacquette on his tone, even as he's playing music that's more melodically experimental by far than the jump band music of the Hampton band. Basically, in the late 1940s, if you were wanting to play bebop on the saxophone, you had two models to follow. Charlie Parker, the great alto saxophonist with his angular, a-turnal melodic sense and fast virtuosic playing, or Dexter Gordon, the tenor saxophonist, whose style had more R&B grease and wit to it, who would quote popular melodies in his own improvisations. And John Coltrane followed both. Coltrane's first instrument was the alto sax,

and when he was primarily an alto player, he would copy Charlie Parker's style. When he switched to being primarily a tenor player, though he would always continue playing both instruments, and later in his career would also play soprano sax. He took up much of Gordon's mellow a tone, though he was also influenced by other tenor players, like Lester Young, the great player with Count Basie's band,

and Johnny Hodges, who played with Duke Collington. Now, it is important to note here that John Coltrane is a very, very big deal. Depending on your opinion of Ornette Coleman's playing, Coltrane is, by most accounts, either the last or penultimate, truly great innovator in jazz saxophone, and arguably the single foremost figure in the music in the last half of the 20th century. In this podcast, I'm only able to tell you enough about him

to give you the information you need to understand the material. real about the birds. But were I to do a similar history of jazz in 500 songs, Coltrane would have a similar position to someone like the Beatles. He's such a major figure that he has literally venerated as a saint by the African Orthodox Church, and a couple of other Episcopal churches have at least made the case for his sainthood. So anything I say here about him is not even beginning to scratch the surface of his towering importance to jazz music, but it will, I hope, give some idea of his importance to the development of the birds, a group of whom he was almost certainly totally unaware.

Coltrane started out playing as a teenager, and his earliest recordings were when he was 19 and in the armed forces, just after the end of World War II. At that time, he was very much a beginner, although a talented one, and on its early amateur recordings you can hear him trying to imitate Parker without really knowing what it was that Parker was doing that made him so great. But as well as having some natural talent, he had one big attribute that made him stand out,

his utter devotion to his music. He was so uninterested in anything other than mastering his instrument that one day a friend was telling him about a baseball game he'd watched, and all Coltrane could do was asking confusion, whose will he maze? Coltrane would regularly practice his saxophone until his reed was red with blood, but he would also study other musicians, and not just in jazz.

He knew that Charlie Parker had intensely studied Stravinsky's Firebird Suite, and so Coltrane would study that too. Coltrane joined the band of Eddie Cleanhead Vincent, who was one of those figures like Johnny Otis, with whom Vincent would later perform for many years, who straddled the worlds of jazz and R&B. Vincent was a blues shouter in the style of Big Joe Turner, but he was also a bebop sax player,

and what he wanted was a tenor sax player who could play tenor the way Charlie Parker played alto, but do it in an R&B setting. Coltrane switched from Alto to tenor and spent a year or so playing with Vincent's band. No recordings exist of Coltrane with Vincent that I'm aware of, but you can get an idea of what he sounded like from his next band. By this point, Dizzy Gillespie had graduated from small bebop groups

to leading a big band, and he got Coltrane in as one of his alto players, Though Coltrane would also often play tenor with Gillespie, as on this recording from 1951, which has Coltrane on tenor, Gillespie on trumpet, with Kenny Borell and two of the future modern jazz quartet, Milt Jackson and Percy Heath, showing that the roots of modern jazz were not very far at all from the roots of rock and roll. After leaving Gillespie's band, Coulterine played with a lot of important musicians over the next four or five years, like Johnny Hodgers, Earl Bostick and Jimmy Smith, and occasionally sat in with Miles Davis.

But at this point he was still not a major musician in the genre. He was a competent working side man, but he was also struggling with alcohol and heroin, and hadn't really found his own voice. But then Miles Davis asked Coltrane to join his band full-time. Coulthrain was actually Davis's second choice. He really wanted Sonny Rollins, who was widely considered the best new tenor player around.

but he was eventually persuaded to take Coltrane. During his first period with Davis, Coltrane grew rapidly as a musician, and also played on a lot of other people's sessions. In a three-year period, Coltrane went from Davis to Thelonius Monks group, then back to Davis's group, and also recorded as both a sideman and a band leader

on a ton of sessions. You can get a box set of his recordings from May 1956 through December 1958 that comes to 19 CDs. and that's not counting his recordings with Miles Davis, which aren't included on that set. Unsurprisingly, just through playing this much, Coltrane had grown enormously as a player, and he was particularly fascinated by harmonics, playing with the notes of a chord, in arpeggios and pushing music to its harmonic limits,

as you can hear in his solo on Davis's Straight No Chaser, which pushes the limits of the jazz solo as far as they'd gone to that point. But on the same album as that, Milestones, We also have the first appearance of a new style, modal jazz. Now to explain this, we have to go back to the scales again. We looked at the normal Western scale, Dore mi far solatido, but you can start a scale on any of those notes, and which note you start on creates what is called a different mode.

The modes are given Greek names, and each mode has a different feel to it. If you start on Do, we call this the major scale, or the Ionian mode. This is the normal scale we heard before, CD-E-F-G-A-B-C. Most music, about 70% of the melodies you're likely to have heard, uses that mode. If you start on Ray, it would go Ray Mifaso Latido Ray, or D-E-F-G-A-B-C-D, the Dorian mode. Melodies with this mode tend to have a sort of wistful feel, like Scarborough Fair. Or many of George Harrison's song. songs.

I'm in mine, I'm to the night, I'm in mine, I'm now the frighten. Starting on me, you have the Phrygian mode, Me, Faiso La Tide, Dore Me. The Phrygian mode is not especially widely used, but does turn up in some popular works, like Barba's Adagio for strings. Then there's the Lydian mode, Faiso La Tidoree Mi Farr. This mode isn't used much at all in pop music. The most prominent example I can think of is Pretty Ballerina by the Left Bank. Starting on So, we have Solar Tido Ramey Farso, the Mixilidian mode.

That mode has a sort of bluesy or fokey tone to it, and you also find it in a lot of traditional tunes, like She Moves Through the Fair. And in things like Norwegian Wood by the Beatles. Though that goes into Dorian for the middle section. Starting on La, we have the Aeolian mode, which is also known as the natural minor scale, and is often just talked about as the minor scale. That's obviously used in innumerable songs,

for example, losing my religion by Riem. And finally, you have the Locrian mode, Tido Remy Faso La T. That basically doesn't get used, unless someone wants to show off that they know the Lockean mode. The only vaguely familiar example I can think of is Army of Me by Bjork. I hope that brief excursion through the seven most common modes in Western diatonic music gives you some idea of the difference that musical modes can make to a piece.

Anyway, as I was saying, on the Milestones album, we get some of the first examples of a form that became known as Modal Jazz. Now, the ideas of modal jazz had been around for a few years at that point. oddly it seems to be one of the first types of popular music to have existed in theory before existing in practice. George Russell, an acquaintance of Davis, who was a self-taught music theorist, had written a book in 1953, titled The Lidium Chromatic Concept of Tonal Organization. That book argues that rather than looking at the diatonic scale as the basis for music, one should instead look at a code progression called the Circle of Fifth's. The Circle of Fifths is exactly what it sounds like. You change chords to 1 a fifth away from it, and then do that again and again.

Either going up, so you'd have chords with the roots C, G, D, A, E, B, F, sharp and so on, or more commonly going down, though usually when going downwards, you tend to cheat a bit and sharpen one of the notes so you can stay in one key. So you'd get chords with roots C-F-B-E-A-D-G. usually the chords C, F, B diminished, E minor, A minor, D minor, G. That descending cycle of fifths is used in all sorts of music, everything from You Never Give Me Your Money by the Beatles. To I Will Survive by Gloria Gaynor. But what Mussel pointed out is that if you do the upward cycle of fifths and you don't change any of the notes,

The first seven root notes you get are the same seven notes you'd find in the Lydian mode, just reordered. C, D, E, F, sharp, G, A, B. Russell then argued that much of the way harmony and melody work in jazz could be thought of as people experimenting with the way the Lydian mode works, and the way the cycle of fifths leads you further and further away from the tonal centre. Now, you could probably do an entire podcast series as long as this one on the implications of this, and I am honestly just trying to summarize enough information here that you can get a vague gist.

But Russell's book had a profound effect on how jazz musicians started to think about harmony and melody. Instead of improvising around the chord changes to songs, they were now basing improvisations and compositions around modes and the notes in them. Rather than having a lot of chord changes, you might just play a single root note that stays the same throughout, or only changes a couple of times in the whole piece, and just implied changes with the clash between the root note and whatever modal note the solo instrument is playing.

The track Milestones on the Milestones album shows this kind of thinking in full effect. The song consists of a section in G Dorian, followed by a section in Aeolian or E. Phrygian, depending on how you look at it. Each section has only one implied chord, a G-minus-7 for the G-Dorian section, and an A-minor-7-flaten-13 for the A-a-a-a-olean section.

over which Davis, Cannonball Adderley on alto-sax, and Coltrane Antenna, all solo. For the pedants among you, that track was originally titled Miles on the first pressings of the album, but it was retitled milestones on subsequent pressings. The modal form would be taken even further on Davis' next album to be recorded, Porgy and Bess, which featured much fuller orchestrations and didn't have Coltrane on it. Davis later said that when the arranger Gill Evans wrote the arrangements for that album, He didn't write any chords at all, just a scale which Davis could improvise around. But it was on the album after that, kind of blue, which again featured Coltrane on saxophone,

that modal jazz made its big breakthrough to becoming the dominant form of jazz music. As with what Evans had done on Porgy and Bess, Davis gave the other instrumentalists' modes to play, rather than a chord sequence to improvise over, or a melody line to play with. He explained his thinking behind this in an interview with Nat Hentoff, saying, Based on chords, you know at the end of 32 bars that the chords have run out, and there's nothing to do but repeat what you've just done with variations. I think a movement in jazz is beginning away from the conventional string of chords. There will be fewer chords, but infinite possibilities as to what to do with them.

This style shows up in So What, the opening track on the album, which is in some ways a very conventional song structure. It's a 32-bar A-A-B-A structure, but instead of a chord sequence, it's based on modes in two keys. The A section is in D Dorian, while the B section is in E flat Dorian. Kind of Blue would become one of the contenders for greatest jazz album of all time, and one of the most influential records ever made in any genre. And it could be argued that that track we just heard, so what, inspired a whole other genre we'll be looking at in a future episode.

But Coltrane still felt the need to explore more ideas and to branch out on his own. In particular, while he was interested in modal music, he was also interested in exploring more kinds of scales than just modes. And to do this, he had to, at least for the moment, reintroduce chord changes into what he was doing. He was inspired in particular by reading Nicholas Slunimski's classic Thesaurus of Scales and Melodic Patterns. Coltrane had recently signed a new contract as a solo artist with Atlantic Records

and recorded what is generally considered his first true masterpiece album as a solo artist, Giant Steps, with several members of the Davis band, just two weeks after recording Kind of Blue. The title track to Giant Steps is the most prominent example of what are known in jazz as the Coltrane Changers, a cycle of thirds, similar to the cycle of fifths we talked about earlier. The track itself seems to have two sources. The first is the bridge of the old standard, have you met Miss Jones, as famously played by Coleman Hawkins, and the second is an exercise from Slenimski's book. Coltrane combined these ideas to come up with giant steps,

which is based entirely around these cycles of thirds and Selenimski's example. Now, I realise that this is meant to be a history of rock music, not jazz musicology theory time, so I promise you I am just hitting the high points here, and only the points that affect Coltrane's development as far as it influenced the music we're looking at in this episode. And so we're actually going to skip over Coltrane's commercial high point, my favourite things, and most of the rest of his work for Atlantic,

even though that music is some of the most important jazz music ever recorded. Instead, I'm going to summarize a whole lot of very important music by simply saying that while Coltrane was very interested in this musical idea of the cycle of thirds, he did not like being tied to precise chord changes and liked the freedom that modal jazz gave to him. By 1960, when his contract with Atlantic was ending and his contract with Impulse was beginning, was beginning, and he recorded the two albums Olay and Africa Brass pretty much back to back. He had hit on a new style with the help of Eric Dolphy, a flute, clarinet and alto sax player,

who had become an important figure in Coltrane's life. Dolphy died far too young. He went into a diabetic coma and doctors assumed that because he was a black jazz musician, he must have overdosed, even though he was actually a T-total abstainer, so he didn't get the treatment he needed. But he made such a profound influence. on Coltrane's life that Coltrane would carry Dolphie's picture with him after his death. Dolphie was even more of a theorist than Coltrane, and another devotee of Slanimsky's book, and he was someone who had studied a great deal of 20th century classical music, particularly people like Bartok, Messian, Stravinsky, Charles Ives, and Edgar Verres.

Dolphy even performed Verres' piece Density 21.5 in concert, an extremely demanding piece for solo flute. I don't know if a recording of Dolphi performing it sadly, but this version should give some idea. Encouraged by Dolphi, Coltrane started making music based around no changes at all, with any changes being implied by the melody. The title song of Africa Brass, Africa, takes up an entire side of one album, and doesn't have a single actual chord change on it, with Dolphie and pianist McCoy Tyner coming up with a brass-heavy arrangement for Coltrane to improvise over a single chord.

This was a return to the idea of modal jazz, based on scales rather than chord changes. But by implying chord changes, often changes based on thirds, Coltrane was often using different scales than the modes that have been used in modal jazz. And while, as the title suggested, Africa was inspired by the music of Africa, the use of a single drone chord underneath solos based on a scale was inspired by the music of another continent altogether. Since at least the mid-1950s, both Coltrane and Dolfi had been interested in Indian music.

They appeared to have first become interested in a record released by Folkways, Music of India, Morning and Evening Raghas, by Ali Akbar Khan. But the musician they ended up being most inspired by was a friend of Karn's, Ravi Shankar, who, like Kahn, had been taught by the great Savad player, a loud in Kahn, Ali Akbar Khan's father. The elder Khan, who was generally known as Baba, meaning father, was possibly the most influential Indian musician of the first half of the 20th century and was a big part of the revitalisation of Indian music

that went hand in hand with the growth of Indian nationalism. He was an ascetic who lived for music and nothing else and would write five to ten new compositions every day, telling Shankar, do one thing well and you can achieve everything. Do everything and you achieve nothing. A Louding Khan was a very religious Muslim, but one who saw music as the ultimate way to God, and could find truths in other faiths. When Shankar first got to know him, they were both touring as musicians in a dance troupe run by Shankar's elder brother,

which was promoting Indian arts in the West, and he talked about taking Khan to hear the organ playing at Notre Dame Cathedral, and Khan bursting into tears and saying, Here is God. Khan was not alone in this view. The classical music of Northern India, the music that Khan played and taught, had been very influenced by Sufism, which was for most of Muslim history the dominant intellectual and theological tradition in Islam. Now, I am going to sum up a thousand years of theology and practice of a religion I don't belong to, in a couple of sentences here, so just assume that what I'm saying is wrong, and please don't take offence if you are Sufi yourself and believe I am misrepresenting you.

But my understanding of Sufism is that Sufis are extremely devoted to attaining knowledge and understanding of God, and believe that strict adherence to Muslim law is the best way to attain that knowledge, that it is the way that God himself has prescribed for humans to know him, but that such knowledge can be reached by people of other faiths if they approach their own traditions with enough devotion. Sufi ideas infuse much of Northern Indian classical music, and so, for example, it has been considered acceptable for Muslim. to sing Hindu religious music and Hindus to sing songs of praise to Allah. So, while Ravi Shankar was Hindu and allowed in Khan was Muslim,

Khan was able to become Shankar's guru in what both men regarded as a religious observance, and even to marry Khan's daughter. Khan was a famously cruel disciplinarian, once hospitalising a student after hitting him with a tuning hammer, but he earned the devotion of his students by enforcing the same discipline on himself. He abstained from sex so he could put all his energies into music, and was known to tie his hair to the ceiling while he practised, so he could not fall asleep no matter how long he kept playing. Both Khan and his son Ali Akbar Khan played the Savod,

while Shankar played the sitar, but they all played the same kind of music, which is based on the concept of the Raga. Now in some ways, a Raga can be considered equivalent to a mode in Western music. A Raga, suited particularly to the morning, called Sin Fairabi. This is the scale. But a Raga is not just a mode. It sits somewhere between Western conceptions of a mode and a malady. It has a scale like a mode, but it can have different scales going up or down,

and rules about which notes can be moved to from which other notes. So, for example, I'm using Western tones so as not to confuse things further, Raga might say that it's possible to move up from the note G to D, but not down from D to G. Raghas are essentially a very restrictive set of rules which allow the musician playing them to improvise freely within those rules. In the late 1940s and early 1950s, the violinist Jehoudi Mejouin, at the time the most well-known classical musician in the world, had become fascinated by Indian music as part of a wider a programme of his to learn more music outside what he regarded as the overly constricting scope

of the Western classical tradition in which he had been trained. He had become a particular fan of Shankar and had invited him over to the US to perform. Shankar had refused to come at that point, sending his brother-in-law Ali Akbar Khan over as he was in the middle of a difficult divorce, and that had been when Khan had recorded that album which had fascinated Coltrane and Dolphi. but Shankar soon followed himself and made his own records. The music that both Khan and Shankar played was a particular style of Hindustani classical music, which has three elements.

There's a melody instrument, in Shankar's case the sitar and in Karn's the Sarad, both of them fretted stringed instruments which have additional strings that resonates along with the main melody string, giving their unique sound. These are the most distinctive Indian instruments, but the melody can be played on all sorts of other.

instruments whether Indian instruments like the Bansuri and the Chennai which are very similar to the flut and oboe respectively or western instruments like the violin. Historically the melody has also often been sung rather than played but Indian instrumental music has had much more influence on Western popular music than Indian vocal music has so we're mostly looking at that here. Along with the melody instrument there's a percussion instrument usually the tabla which is a pair of hand drums Rather than keep a steady simple beat like the drum kit in rock music, the percussion has its own patterns and cycles called Talas,

which like Raghas are heavily formalised but leave a great amount of room for improvisation. The percussion and the melody are in a sort of dialogue with each other and play off each other in a variety of ways. And finally, there's the drone instrument, usually a stringed instrument called a tamboura. The drone is what it sounds like, a single note sustained and repeated throughout the piece, providing a harmonic grounding for the improvisations of the melody instrument. Sometimes, rather than just a single root note,

it will be a root in fifth, providing a single chord to improvise over, but as often it will be just one note. Often that note will be doubled at the octave, so you might have a drone on both low-e and high-e. The result provides a very strict, precise formal structure for an infinitely varied form of expression, and Shankar was a master of it.

Dolphi and, especially Coltrane, became fascinated by Indian music, and Coltrane desperately wanted to record with Shankar. He even later named his son Ravi in honour of the great musician. It wasn't just a music as music, but music as spiritual practice that Coltrane was engaged with. He was a deeply religious man, but one who was open to multiple faith traditions.

He had been brought up as a Methodist, and both his grandfathers were ministers in the African Methodist Episcopal Zion Church. But his first wife, Naima, who inspired his personal favourite of his own compositions, was a Muslim. While his second wife, Swamini Turia Sangitananda,

who he married after leaving Naima in 1963, and who continued to perform as Alice Coltrane, even after she took that name, and was herself an extraordinarily accomplished jazz musician on both piano and harp. was a Hindu, and both of them profoundly influenced Coltrane's own spirituality. Some have even suggested that Coltrane's fascination with a cycle of thirds came from the idea that the third could represent both the Christian Trinity

and the Hindu Trimerti, the three major forms of Brahman in Hinduism, Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva. So, a music which was a religious discipline for more than one religion, and which worked well with the harmonic and melodic ideas that Coltrane had been exploring in jazz and learning about through his studies of modern classical music, was bound to appeal to Coltrane, and he started using the idea of having two basses provide an octave drone similar to that of the tamboura, leading to tracks like Africa and Olai. Several sources have stated that the song was an influence on my fire by the doors, and I can sort of see that, though most of the interviews I've

seen with Ray Manzarek have him talking about Coltrane's earlier version of my favourite things as the main influence there. Coltrane finally managed to meet with Shankar in December 1961 and spent a lot of time with him. The two discussed recording an album together with McCoy Tyner, though nothing came of it. Shankar said of their several meetings that month, the music was fantastic. I was much impressed, but one thing distressed me. There was turbulence in the music that gave me a negative feeling at times, but I could not quite put my finger on the trouble. Here was a creative person who had become a vegetarian, who was studying yoga and reading the Bagrat Gita, yet in whose music I still heard much turmoil.

I could not understand it. Caltrain said in turn, I like Ravi Shankar very much. When I hear his music I want to copy it. Not note for note, of course, but in his spirit. What brings me closest to Ravi is the modal aspect of his art. Currently, at the particular stage I find myself in, I seem to be going through a modal phase.

There's a lot of modal music that is played every day through a world. out the world. It is particularly evident in Africa, but if you look at Spain or Scotland, India or China, you'll discover this again in each case. It's this universal aspect of music that interests me and attracts me. That's what I'm aiming for. And the month before Coltrane met Shankar, Coltrane had had a now legendary residency at the Village Vanguard in New York with his band, including Dolphy, which had resulted not only in the famous Live at the Village Vanguard album, but in two tracks and Coltrane's studio album, Impressions. Those shows were among the most controversial in the history of jazz,

though the village vanguard album is now often included in lists of the most important records in jazz. Downbeat magazine, the leading magazine for jazz fans at the time, described those shows as musical nonsense and a horrifying demonstration of what appears to be a growing anti-jazz trend. Though by the time impressions came out in 1963, that opinion had been revised somewhat, Harvey Pekar, the comic writer and jazz critic, also writing in Downbeat, gave impressions five stars, saying, Not all the music on this album is excellent, which is what a five-star rating signifies, but some is more than excellent. And while among Coltrane fans, the piece from these Village Vanguard shows that is of most interest is the extended blues masterpiece chasing the train, which takes up a whole side of the Village Vanguard LP.

for our purposes were most interested in one of the two tracks it was held over for impressions. This was another of Coulthrain's experiments in using the drones he'd found in Indian musical forms, like Africa and Ole. This time it was also inspired by a specific piece of music, though not an instrumental one. Rather, it was a vocal performance, a recording on a folkway's album of Pandita Ranji Shastrid Rivida chanting one of the Vedas, the religious texts which are among the oldest texts sacred to any surviving religion. and combined it with his own modal approach to jazz,

and the inspiration he was taking from Shankar's music, and came up with a piece called India. Which is where we came in, isn't it? So now, finally, we get to the birds. Even before Mr. Tambourine man went to number one in the charts, the birds were facing problems with their sound being co-opted as the latest hip thing. Their location in LA, at the centre of the entertainment world,

was obviously a huge advantage to them in many ways, but it also made them incredibly visible to people who wanted to hop onto a bandwagon. The group built up much of their fan base playing at Ceros, the nightclub on the sunset strip that we mentioned in the previous episode, which later reopened us its boss, and among those in the crowd was Sonny and Cher,

and Sonny brought along his tape recorder. The Bird's follow-up single to Mr. Tambourine Man, released while that song was still going up the chart, was another Dylan song, All I Really Want to Do, but it had to contend with this. Cher's single, produced by Sunny, was her first solo single since the duo had become successful and came out before the Birds version,

and the birds were convinced that elements of the arrangement, especially the guitar part, came from the version they'd been performing live, though of course Sonny was no stranger to jangly guitars himself, having co-written needles and pins, the song that pretty much invented the jangle. Share made number 15 on the chart, while the birds only made number 40.

Their version did beat shares in the UK charts, though. The record company was so worried about the competition that for a while they started promoting the B-side as the A-side. That B-side was an original by Gene Clark, though one that very clearly showed the group's debt to the searchers. While it was very obviously derived from the searcher's version of needles and pins, especially the riff, it was still a very strong, original piece of work in its own right. It was the song that convinced the group's producer, Terry Maltcher,

that they were a serious proposition as artists in their own right, rather than just as performers of Dylan's material. And it was also a favourite of the group's co-manager, Jim Dixon, who picked out Clark's use of the word probably in the chorus as particularly telling. The singer thinks he will feel better when the subject of the song is gone, but only probably. He's not certain. I'll feel a whole lot better, after being promoted as the A-side for a short time, reached number 102 on the chart.

But the label quickly decided to reflip it and concentrate on promoting the Dylan's song as the single. The group themselves weren't too bothered about their thunder having been stolen by Sonny and Cher, but their new publicist was incandescent. Derek Taylor had been a journalist for the Daily Express, which at that time was a respectable enough newspaper, though that is very much no longer the case. He'd become involved in the music industry after writing an early profile on the Beatles,

at which point he had been taken on by the Beatles' organisation, first to ghostwrite George Harrison's newspaper column and Brian Epstein's autobiography, and then as their full-time publicist and liner note writer. He'd left the organisation at the end of the organisation, at the end of 1964, and had moved to the US, where he had set up as an independent music publicist, working for the birds, the beach boys, and various other acts in their overlapping social circles, such as Paul Revere and the Raiders. Taylor was absolutely furious on the group's behalf,

saying, I was not only disappointed, I was disgusted. Sunny and Cher went to Ceros and ripped off the birds, and, being obsessive, I could not get this out of my mind that Sunny and Cher had done this terrible, thing. I didn't know that much about the record business, and in my experience with the Beatles, cover versions didn't make any difference. But by covering the birds, it seemed that you could knock them off the perch. And Sonny and Cher, in my opinion, stole that song at Ceros and interfered with the bird's career and very nearly blew them out of the game. But while the single was a comparative flop, the Mr. Tambourine Man album, which came out shortly after, was much more successful.

It contained the A and B sides of both the group's first two singles, although a different vocal take of All I Really Want to Do was used from the single release, along with two more Dylan covers and a couple more originals. Five of the 12 songs on the album were original in total, three of them Gene Clark's solo compositions, and the other two co-written by Clark and Roger McGuin. To round it out, there was a version of the 1939 song We'll Meet Again, made famous by Vera Lynn,

which you may remember us discussing in episode 90 as an example of early synthesising use, but which had recently become popular in a re-recorded version from the 1950s, thanks to its use at the end of Dr. Strangelove. There was a song written by Jackie DeShannon and The Bells of Rimney, a song in which Pete Seeger set a poem about a mining disaster in Wales to music. So a fairly standard repertoire for early folk rock, though slightly heavier on Dylan than most. While the group's Hollywood notoriety caused them problems like the Sunnian Shire one,

it did also give them advantages. For example, they got to play at the 4th of July party hosted by Jane Fonda, to guests including her father Henry and brother Peter, Louis Jordan, Steve McQueen, Warren Beattie and Sidney Poitier. Derek Taylor, who was used to the Beatles' formal dress and politeness at important events, imposed on them by Brian Epstein, was shocked when the birds turned up informally dressed, and even more shocked when Vito Palacus and Carl Franzoni turned up. Vito, who was always known by his first name, and Franzoni, are both important but marginal figures

in the LA scene. Neither were musicians, though Vito did make one record produced by Kim Fowley. Rather, Vito was a sculptor in his 50s, who had become part of the rock and roll scene and had gathered around him a dance group consisting largely of much younger women and also of himself and Franzoni. Their circle, which also included Arthur Lee and Brian McLean, who weren't part of their dance troupe, but were definitely part of their crowd, will be talked about much more in future episodes. But for now, we'll just say that they are often considered proto-hippies, though they would have disputed that characterisation themselves quite vigorously, that they were regular dancers at Ceros and became regular parts of the act of both

the birds and the mothers of invention, and will give this rather explicit description of their performances from Frank Zapper. The high point of the performance was Carl Franzoni, our go-go boy. He was wearing ballet tights, frugging violently. Carl has testicles which are bigger than a bread box. Much bigger than a bread box. The looks on the faces of the Baptist teens experiencing their grandeur is a treasured memory. Paints a vivid picture, doesn't it? So you can possibly imagine why Derek Taylor later said, when Carl Franzoni and Vito came, I got into a terrible panic. But Jim Dixon explained to him that it was Hollywood and people were used to that kind of thing.

And even though Taylor described seeing Henry Fonda and his wife pinned against the wall by the writhing Franzoni and the other dancers, apparently everyone had a good time. And then the next month the group went on their first UK tour, on which nobody had a good time. Even before the tour, Derek Taylor had reservations. Obviously the birds should tour the UK. London, in particular, was the centre of the cultural world at the time,

and Taylor wanted the group to meet his old friends the Beatles and visit Carnaby Street. But at the same time, there seemed to be something a little off about the promoters they were dealing with, Joe Collins, the father of Joan and Jackie Collins, and a man named Mervyn Con. As Taylor said later, all I did know was that the correspondence from Mervyn Con didn't assure me. I kept expressing doubts about the contents of the letters, There was something about the grammar. You know, I'll give you a deal and we'll get you some good gigs.

The whole thing was very much show business, almost pantomime show business. But still, it seemed like it was worth making the trip, even when musicians' union problems nearly derailed the whole thing. We've talked previously about how disagreements between the unions in the US and the UK meant that musicians from one country couldn't tour the other for decades, and about how that slightly changed in the late 50s. But the new system required a one-in, one-out system, where tours had to be set up as exchanges so nobody was taking anyone's job,

and nobody had bothered to find a five-piece group of equivalent popularity to the birds to tour America in return. Luckily, the Dave Clark Five stepped into the breach, and were able to do a US tour on short notice, so that problem was solved. And then, as soon as they landed, the group were confronted with a lawsuit, from The Birds. These birds without you, baby These birds, spelled with an eye, not a why, were a mod group from London, who had started out to the Thunderbirds, but had had to shorten their name when the London R&B singer, Chris Farlow, and his band The Thunderbirds, had started to have some success.

They'd become The Birds and released a couple of unsuccessful singles, but had slowly built up a reasonable following and had a couple of TV appearances. Then they'd started to receive complaints from their fans that when they went into the record shops to ask for the new records by the birds, they were being sold some jangly, fokey stuff about tambourines, rather than Bo Diddley-inspired R&B. So the first thing the American birds saw in England, after a long and difficult flight which had left them very tired and depressed, especially Jean Clark, who hated flying, was someone suing them for loss of earnings. The lawsuit never progressed any further, and the British group changed their name to Birds Birds, and quickly disappeared from music history, apart from their guitarist, Ronnie Wood, who will be hearing from again.

But the experience was not exactly the welcome the group had been hoping for, and is reflected in one of the lines. Gene Clark wrote in the song he later came up with about the trip. Nowhere is there love to be found among those afraid of losing their ground. And the rest of the tour was not much of an improvement. Chris Hillman came down with bronchitis on the first night. David Crosby kept turning his amp up too high, resulting in the other members copying him and the sound in the venues they were playing seeming distorted.

And most of all, they just seemed to the British crowds to be unprofessional. British audiences were used to groups running on, seeming excited, talking to the crowd between songs, and generally putting on a show. The birds, on the other hand, sauntered on stage and didn't even look at the audience, much less talk to them. What seemed to the LA audience has studied cool, seemed to the UK audience like the group were rude, unprofessional and big-headed. At one show, towards the end of the set, one girl in the audience cried out, "'Aren't you even going to say anything?'

To which Crosby responded, goodbye, and the group walked. off, without any of them having said another word. When they played the Flamingo Club, the biggest cheer of the night came when their short set ended, and the manager said that the club was now going to play records for dancing, until the Support Act, Gino, Washington and the Ranjam band, were ready to do another set. Michael Clark and Roger McGuin also came down with bronchitis. The group were miserable and sick, and they were getting absolutely panned in the reviews. The closest thing they got to a positive review was when Paul Jones of Manfred Mann was asked about them, and he praised some of their act, perceptively pointing to their version of We'll Meet Again

as being in the pop art tradition of recontextualising something familiar so it could be looked at freshly. But even he ended up also criticising several aspects of the show, and ended by saying, I think they're going to be a lot better in the future. And then, just to rub salt in the wound, Sunny and Cher turned up in the UK. The Birds version of All I Really Want to do Massively outsold theirs in the UK But their big hit became omnipresent And the press seemed to think that Sunnian Cher

Rather than the birds Were the true representatives of the American youth culture The birds were already yesterday's news The tour wasn't all bad It did boost sales of the group's records And they became friendly with the Beatles, Stones and Donovan so much so that when later in the month the Beatles returned to the US the birds were invited to join them at a party they were holding in Benedict Canyon

and it was thanks to the birds attending that party that two things happened to influence the Beatles' songwriting. The first was that Crosby brought his Hollywood friend Peter Fonda along. Fonda kept insisting on telling people that he knew what it was like to actually be dead in a misguided attempt to reassure George Harrison, who he wrongly believed was scared of dying and insisted on showing them his self-inflicted bullet wounds. This did not go down well with John Lennon and George Harrison, both of whom were on acid at the time. As Lennon later said,

We didn't want to hear about that. We were on an acid trip and the sun was shining and the girls were dancing and the whole thing was beautiful in 60s. And this guy, who I really didn't know, he hadn't made easy rider or anything, kept coming over wearing shade saying, I know what it's like to be dead, and we kept leaving him because he was.

so boring. It was scary. You know, when you're flying high and, I know what it's like to be dead, man. Eventually, they asked Fonda to get out, and the experience later inspired Lennon to write this. Incidentally, like all the Beatles' songs of that period, that was adapted for the cartoon TV series based on the group, in this case as a following bouncing ball animation. There were a few things which sum up the oddness of mid-60s culture more vividly than the fact that was a massively popular kids cartoon with a cheery sing-long version of a song about a bad acid drip and knowing what it's like to be dead. But there was another, more positive influence on the Beatles to come out of them having invited the birds to the party. Once Fonda had been kicked out, Crosby and Harrison became chatty and started talking about the sitar, an instrument that Harrison

had recently become interested in. Crosby showed Harrison some Rhaegas on the guitar and suggested that he start listening to Ravi Shankar, who Crosby had recently become a fan of, and we'll be tracking Shankar's influence on Harrison, and through him the Beatles, and through them the whole course of 20th century culture, in future episodes. Crosby's admiration, both of Ravi Shankar and of John Coltrane, was soon to show in the Byrd's records, but first they needed a new single. They'd made attempts at a version of the times they other change in, and had even tried to get both George Harrison and Paul McCartney to add,

harmonica to that track. But that didn't work out. Then just before the UK tour, Terry Melcher had got Jack Nitchie to come up with an arrangement of Dylan's It's All Over Now Baby Blue. Nietzsche's arrangement was designed to sound as much like a Sonny and Share record as possible, and at first the intention was just to overdub McGuin's guitar and vocals onto a track by the wrecking crew. The group weren't happy at this, and even McGuin, who was the friendliest of the group with Melcher and who the record was meant to spotlight, disliked it. The eventual track was cut by the group, with Jim Dixon producing, to show they could do a good job of the song by themselves, with the intention that Melcher would then polish it and finish it in the studio, but Melcher dropped

the idea of doing the song at all. There was a growing factionalism in the group by this point, with McGuin and to a lesser extent Michael Clark being friendly with Melcher. Crosby disliked Melcher and was pushing for Jim Dixon to replace him as producer, largely because he thought that Melcher was vetoing Crosby's songs and giving Gene Clark and Roger McGuin free run of the songwriting. Dixon, on the other hand, was friendliest with Crosby, but wasn't much keener on Crosby's songwriting than Melcher was, thinking Gene Clark was the real writing talent in the group. It didn't help that Crosby's songs tended to be things like harmonically complex pieces based on science fiction novels. Crosby was a big fan of the writer Robert Highline.

and in particular of the novel Stranger in a Strange Land, and brought in at least two songs inspired by that novel, which were left off albums. His song's Stranger in a Strange Land was eventually recorded by the San Francisco group Blackburn and Snow. Oddly, Jim Dixon objected to what became the Bird's Next single, for reasons that come from the same roots as the Heinlein novel. A short while earlier, McGuin had worked as a guitarist and arranger on an album by the folk singer Judy Collins, and one of the songs she had recorded on that album was a song written by Pete Seeger, setting the first eight verses of Chapter 3 of the Biblical Book of Ecclesiastes to music.

McGuin wanted to do an electric version of that song as the Bird's Next single, and Melch decided with him. But Dixon was against the idea, citing the philosopher Alfred Kour's Korsipsky, who was a big influence both on the counterculture and on Heinlein. Korsipski, in his book Science and Sanity, argued that many of the problems with the world are caused by the practice in Aristotelian logic of excluding the middle and only talking about things and their opposites, saying that things could be either A or not A, which in his view excluded most of actual reality. Dixon's argument was that the lyrics to turn, turn, turn, with their inflexible aristotelianism were hopelessly outmoded

and would make the group a laughingstock among anyone who had paid attention to the intellectual revolutions of the previous few decades. A time of love, a time of hate? What about all the times that are neither for loving or hating? And all the emotions that are complex mixtures of love and hate? In his eyes, this was going to make the group look like lightweight. Terry Multure disagreed and forced the group through take after take until they got what became the group's second number one hit.

After the single was released and became a hit, the battle lines in the group hardened. It was McGuin and Melcher on one side, Crosby and Dixon on the other, with Chris Hillman, Michael Clark and Jean Clark, more or less neutral in the middle, but tending to side more and more with the two M's, largely because of Crosby's ability to rub everyone up the wrong way.

At one point during the sessions for the next, next album, tempers flared so much that Michael Clark actually got up, went over to Crosby, and punched Crosby so hard that he fell off his seat. Crosby, being Hollywood to the bone, yelled at Clark, you'll never work in this town again, but the others tended to agree that on that occasion Crosby had it coming. Clark, when asked about it later, said, I slapped him because he was being an asshole. He wasn't productive, it was necessary. Things came to her head in the filming for a video for the next single, Gene Clark's Setching Free this time. Michael Clark was taller than the other birds,

and to get the shot right, so the angles would line up, he had to stand further from the camera than the rest of them. David Crosby, the member with most knowledge of the film industry, whose father was an Academy Award-winning cinematographer, so who definitely understood the reasoning for this, was sulking that once again a Gene Clark song had been chosen for promotion rather than one of his songs, and started manipulating Michael.

Clark, telling him that he was being moved backwards because the others were jealous of his good looks, and that he needed to move forward to be with the rest of them. Multiple takes were ruined because Clark listened to Crosby, and eventually Jim Dixon got furious at Clark and went over and slapped him on the face. All hell broke loose. Michael Clark wasn't particularly bothered by being slapped by Dixon, but Crosby took that as an excuse to leave, walking off before the first shot of the day had been completed. Dixon ran after Crosby, who turned to him. turned round and punched Dixon in the mouth. Dixon grabbed hold of Crosby and held him in a chokehold. Gene Clark came up and pulled Dixon off Crosby, trying to break up the fight, and then Crosby yelled,

Yeah, that's right, Gene. Hold him so I can hit him again. At this point, if Clark let Dixon go, Dixon would have attacked Crosby again. If he held Dixon, Crosby would have taken it as an invitation to hit him more. Clark's dilemma was eventually relieved by Barry Feinstein, the cameraman, who came in and broke everything up. It may seem odd that Crosby and Dixon, who were on the same side, were the ones who got into a fight, while Michael Clark, who had previously hit Crosby, was listening to Crosby over Dixon. But that's indicative of how everyone felt about Crosby. As Dixon later put it, people have stronger feelings about David Crosby.

I love David more than the rest, and I hate him more than the rest. I love McGwin the least, and I hate him the least, because he doesn't give you emotional feedback. You don't get a chance. the hate is in equal proportion to how much you love them. McGuin was finding all this deeply distressing. Dixon and Crosby were violent men, and Michael Clark and Hillman could be provoked to violence, but McGuin was a pacifist both by conviction and temperament.

Everything was conspiring to push the camps further apart. For example, Jean Clark made more money than the rest because of his songwriting royalties, and so got himself a good car. McGuin had problems with his car, and knowing that the other members were jealous of Clark, Melcher offered to lend McGuin one of his own Cadillacs, partly in an attempt to be friendly, and partly to make sure the jealousy of a Clark's car

didn't cause further problems in the group. But of course, now Gene Clark had a Ferrari, and Roger McGuin had a Cadillac, where was David Crosby's car? He stormed into Dixon's office and told him that if by the end of the tour the group were going on, Crosby didn't have a Bentley, he was quitting the group.

There was only one thing for it. Terry Melcher had to go. The group had recorded their second album, and if they couldn't fix the problems within the band, they would have to deal with the problems from outside. While the group were on tour, Jim Dixon told Melcher they would no longer be working with him as their producer. On the tour boss, the group listened over and over

to a tape McGuynid made of Crosby's favourite music. On one side was a collection of recordings of Ravi Shankar, and on the other was two Coltrane albums. Africa Brass and Impressions. The group listened to this and basically no other music on the tour. And while they were touring, Gene Clark was working on what he hoped would be the group's next single, an impressionistic song about their trip to the UK, which started, six miles high and when you touch down, you'll find that it's stranger than known.

After he had it half complete, he showed it to Crosby, who helped him out with the lyrics, coming up with lines like, Rain Grey Town Known for Its Sound, to describe London. The song talked about the crowds that followed them, about the music, name-checking the small faces, who at the time had only released two singles and had one minor UK hit,

and about the feeling of being lost and a stranger in a strange land. The pair then brought the song to McGuin, who made two further changes. He suggested that while six miles high was an accurate description of how far up a transatlantic flight gets, eight was a better number than six,

partly for numerological reasons, partly because it just sounded good, and partly because the Beatles had used it for eight days a week. The other major change that McGuin made was to suggest that they incorporate some of the music they've been listening to. While the song had chord changes, they decided to make it sound more droning, and also to have McGuin play a guitar intro that was very closely based on Coltrane's India. The group were all filled with the song and recorded it in RCA Studios on December the 2016. They were convinced it was going to be a hit, but Columbia Records wouldn't put it out. Not because of the experimental music, nor because of the double meaning of the word high,

but because it had been recorded in RCA Studios, and Columbia would only release music recorded in their own studios. So they went back a month later and remade the track, with Columbia West Coast Vice President Alan Stanton as nominal producer. None of the group thought that that was as good a recording, but it was the one that finally got released. The song got banned by many radio stations for promoting drug use, though at the time the group insisted that it was really about flying rather than drugs. But later they did admit the obvious fact that it was also very much a drug-influenced song.

The publicity for the song called it Raga Rock, and described the B-side, a Shankar-influenced song by Crosby, the same way. but 8 miles high is now widely regarded as one of the first examples, if not the first example, of psychedelic rock. Of course, as we've said many times on this podcast, there is no actual first example of anything. But 8 miles high was, if nothing else,

an early example of the style. It sounded like nothing else on the radio at the time. But despite that, it made number 15 on the chart, their third top 20 hit. The birds had proved they could have a hit, hit without Terry Melcher. But as it turned out, Melcher wasn't the only one to part ways with the group. Gene Clark had become increasingly unhappy with all the infighting in the group, much of which seemed to be centred on him having more songs on the group's albums than McGuin and

Crosby, and he was also becoming slightly withdrawn and paranoid. He no longer wanted to be stuck in the middle of the clash between Crosby and McGuin, and he left the group, citing his fear of flying. From this point on, McGuin and Crosby would get as many songs as they wanted on the albums and the group never had another top 20 hit single. A history of rock music and 500 songs is brought to you by the generosity of my backers on Patreon. Each week Patreon backers will get a 10-minute bonus podcast. This week's is on Winchester Cathedral Cathedral by the new Broadville band. Visit patreon.com

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