A History of Rock Music in 500 Songs - Episode 157: “See Emily Play” by The Pink Floyd

Episode Date: November 8, 2022

Episode one hundred and fifty-seven of A History of Rock Music in Five Hundred Songs looks at “See Emily Play”, the birth of the UK underground, and the career of Roger Barrett, known as Syd. Click the full post to read liner notes, links to more information, and a transcript of the episode. Patreon backers also have a twenty-five-minute bonus episode available, on “First Girl I Loved” by the Incredible String Band. Tilt Araiza has assisted invaluably by doing a first-pass edit, and will hopefully be doing so from now on. Check out Tilt’s irregular podcasts at http://www.podnose.com/jaffa-cakes-for-proust and http://sitcomclub.com/ (more…)

A History of Rock Music in 500 songs by Houdreig. Episode 157 See Emily Play By Pink Floyd A note before I begin This episode deals with drug use and mental illness So anyone who might be upset by those subjects Might want to skip this one

But also, there's a rather unique problem in how I deal with the name of the main artist in the story today. The man everyone knows as Sid Barrett, was born Roger Barrett, used that name with his family for his whole life, and in later years very strongly disliked being called Sid. Yet everyone, other than his family, called him that at all times until he left the music industry, and that's the name that appears on record labels,

including his solo albums. I don't believe it's right to refer to people by name they choose not to go by themselves. But the name Barrett went by throughout his brief period in the public eye was different from the one he went by later, and by all accounts he was actually distressed by its use in later years. So what I'm going to do in this episode is refer to him as Roger Barrett when a full name is necessary for disambiguation, or just Barrett otherwise. But I'll leave any quotes from other people referring to Sid, as they were originally phrased. In future episodes on Pink Floyd, I'll refer to him just as Barrett. But in episodes where I discuss his

influence on other artists, I will probably have to use Sid Barrett, because otherwise, people who haven't listened to this episode won't know what on earth I'm talking about. Anyway, on with the show. It's gone, sighed the rat, sinking back in his seat again. So beautiful and strange and new. Since it was to end so soon, I almost wish I had never heard it, for it has rather than. It has rather a longing in me that is pain, and nothing seems worthwhile but just to hear that sound once more, and go on listening to it forever. No, there it is again, he cried, alert once more, entranced, he was silent for a long space, spellbound. Now it passes on and I begin to lose it, he said presently.

Oh, Mole, the beauty of it, the merry bubble and joy, the thin, clear, happy call of the distant piping, such music I never dreamed of, and the call in it is so. And the call in it is stronger even than the music is sweet. Row on, Mole, row! For the music and the call must be for us. That's a quote from a chapter titled The Piper at the Gates of Dawn, from the classic children's book The Wind in the Willows, a book which, for most of its length,

is a fairly straightforward story about anthropomorphic animals having jovial adventures, but which in that one chapter has rat and mole suddenly encounter the great god Pan, and have a hallucinatory, transcendental experience caused by his music, one so extreme it's wiped from their minds as they simply cannot process it. The book and the chapter was a favourite of Roger Barrett, a young child born in Cambridge in 1946. Barrett came for an intellectual but not especially bookish family.

His father, Dr Arthur Barrett, was a pathologist. There's a room in Adambrook's hospital named after him, but he was also an avid watercolour painter, a world-leading authority on fungi, and a member of the Cambridge Philharmonic Society, who was apparently an extraordinarily good singer, while his mother Winifred was a stay-at-home mother, who was nonetheless very active in the community,

organising a local girl guide troupe. They never particularly encouraged their family to read, but young Roger did particularly enjoy the more pastoral end of the children's literature at the time, as well as the wind in the willows, he also loved Alice in Wonderland and The Little Grey Men books, a series of stories about tiny gnomes

and their adventures in the countryside. But his two big passions were music and painting. He got his first ukulele at age 11, and by the time his father died, just before Roger's 16th birthday, he had graduated to playing a full-sized guitar. At the time, his musical tastes were largely the same as those of any other British teenager.

He liked Trubby Chekker, for example, though he did have a tendency to prefer the quirkier end of things, and some of the first songs he tried to play on the guitar were those of Joe Brown. Barrett grew up in Cambridge, and for those who don't know it, Cambridge is an incubator of a very particular kind of eccentricity. The university tends to attract rather or worldly intellectual overachievers to the city, people who might not be able to survive in many other situations, but who can thrive in that one.

And every description of Barrett's father suggests he was such a person. Barrett's sister Rosemary has said that she believes that most of the family were autistic, though whether this is a belief based on popular media portrayals or a deeper understanding, I don't know. But certainly, Cambridge is full of eccentric people with remarkable achievements, and such people tend to have children with a certain type of personality, who try simultaneously to live up to and rebel against expectations of greatness that come from having parents who are regarded as great, and to do so with rather less awareness of social norms than the typical rebel has.

In the case of Roger Barrett, he, like so many others of his generation, was encouraged to go into the sciences, as indeed his father had, both in his career as a pathologist and in his avocation as a mycologist. The 50s and 60s were at a time. time, much like today, when what we now refer to as the STEM subjects were regarded as new and exciting and modern. But rather than following in his father's professional footsteps, Roger Barrett instead followed his hobbies. Dr. Barrett was a painter and musician in his

spare time, and Roger was to turn to those things to earn his living. For much of his teens, it seemed that art would be the direction he would go in. He was, everyone agrees, a hugely talented painter, and he was particularly noted for his mastery of colours. But he was also becoming more and more interested in R&B music, especially the music of Bo Diddley, who became his new biggest influence. 47 miles of bobwine, I use a cobra snake for a necktie. I got a brand new house on the roadside,

made from rattlesnake hide. I got a brand new chimney made on top. Made out of a human score. Now come on, take a little walk with me, Arlene, and tell me who do you love? He would often spend hours with his friend Dave Gilmore, a much more advanced guitarist, trying to learn blues riffs. By this point, Barrett had already received the nickname Sid. Depending on which story you believe,

he either got it when he started attending a jazz club where an elderly jazzer named Sid Barrett played, and the people were amused that their youngest attendee, like one of the oldest, was called Barrett. or more plausibly, he turned up to a scout meeting once wearing a flat cap rather than the normal scout beret and he got nicknamed Sid because it made him look working class and Sid was a working class sort of name. In 1962, by the time he was 16, Barrett joined a short-lived group called Jeff Mottoes

on rhythm guitar. The group's lead singer Jeff Motlow would go on to join a band called the Boston Crabs, who would have a minor hit in 1965 with a version of the Coaster's song down in Mexico. The bass player from the Mottoes, Tony Sainty, and the drummer Clive Wellham, would go on to form another band, The Jokers Wild, with Barrett's friend Dave Gilmore. Barrett also briefly joined another band, those without, but his time with them was similarly brief. Some sources, though ones I consider generally less reliable, say that the motto's bass player wasn't Tony Sainty, but was Roger Waters, the son of one of Barrett's teachers,

and that one of the reasons the band split up was that Waters had moved down to London to study architecture. I don't think that's the case, but it's definitely true that Barrett knew Waters, and when he moved to London himself the next year to go to Camberwell Art College, he moved into a house, where Waters was already living. Two previous tenants at the same house, Nick Mason and Richard Wright, had formed a loose band with Waters and various other amateur musicians like Keith Noble, Sheila Noble and Clive Metcalfe. That band was sometimes known as the screaming ab-dabs, the Megadeths, or the T-set, the latter as a sly reference to slang terms for cannabis, but was mostly known at first as Sigma 6, named after a manifest.

by the novelist Alexander Trokey for a kind of spontaneous university. They were also sometimes known as Leonard's lodgers, after the landlord of the home that Barrett was moving into, Mike Leonard, who would occasionally sit in on organ and would later, as the band became more of a coherent unit, act as a roadie and put on night shows behind them. Leonard was himself very interested in avant-garde and experimental art, and it was his idea to play around with the group's lighting.

By the time Barrett moved in with Waters in 1964, the group had settled on the T-Sat name, and consisted of Waters on bass, Mason on drums, write-on keyboards, singer Chris Dennis, and guitarist Raddo Close. Of the group, Close was the only one who was a skilled musician.

He was a very good jazz guitarist, while the other members were barely adequate. By this time, Barrett's musical interests were expanding to include folk music. His girlfriend at the time talked later about him taking her to see Bob Dylan on his first UK tour and thinking, My first reaction was seeing all these people like Sid. It was almost as if every town had sent one Sid Barrett there.

It was my first time seeing people like him. But the music he was most into was the blues, and as the T-set were turning into a blues band, he joined them. He even had a name for the new band that would make them more bluesy. He'd read the back of a record cover. which had named two extremely obscure blues musicians, musicians he may never even have heard. Pink Anderson.

First time I seen Bo Weaver, First time I seen him, he's on a cotton square. First time I seen him, he's square. It's the time that I saw him had his whole family there. Bo Weeby here. Boie here.

and Floyd Council. Barrett suggested that they put together the names of the two bluesmen, and presumably because Anderson Council didn't have quite the right ring, they went for the Pink Floyd, though for a while yet they would sometimes still perform as the T-set, and they were sometimes also called the Pink Floyd Sound. Dennis left soon after Barrett joined, and the new five-piece Pink Floyd Sound started trying to get more gigs.

They auditioned for Ready Steady Go and were turned down, but did get some decent support slots, including for a band called The Trident's. The members of the group were particularly impressed by the Trident's guitarist and the way he altered his sound using feedback. Barrett even sent a letter to his girlfriend with a drawing of the guitarist, one Jeff Beck, raving about how good he was. At this point, the group were mostly performing cover versions, but they did have a handful of originals, and it was these they recorded in their first demo sessions in late 1964 and early 1965. They included Walk With Me, Sydney, a song written by Roger Waters as a parody of

Work with Me Annie and Dance With Me Henry, and given the lyrics, possibly also Hank Ballard's follow-up, Henry's Got Flat Feet, Can't Dance No More, and featuring Rick Wright's then-wife Juliet Gale, Azetta James, to Barrett's Richard Berry. and arches, meningitis, peritonitis, DTs and a washed out br- And four songs by Barrett, including one called Double O Bo, which was a Bow deadly rip-off,

and Butterfly, the most interesting of these early recordings. Catch you soon in my butterfly net, you better watch out. Sometime when I watch you, I stretch out my hand and touch you, At this point, Barrett was very unsure of his own vocal abilities, and wrote a letter to his girlfriend saying,

Emo says, why don't I give up because it sounds horrible? And I would, but I can't get Fred to join because he's got a group, perhaps you knew. So I still have to sing. Fred was a nickname for his old friend Dave Gilmore, who was playing in his own band, Joker's Wild, at this point. Summer in 1965 saw two important events in the life of the group. The first was that Barrett took LSD for the first time. The rest of the group weren't interested in trying it, and would indeed generally be one of the more sober bands in the rock business, despite the

reputation their music got. The other members would, for the most part, try acid once or twice, around late 1966, but generally steer clear of it. Barrett, by contrast, took it on a a very regular basis, and it would influence all the work he did from that point on. The other event was that Radoe Close left the group. Close was the only really proficient musician in the group, but he had very different taste to the other members, preferring to play jazz to R&B and pop, and he was also falling behind in his university studies,

and decided to put that ahead of remaining in the band. This meant that the group members had to radically rethink the way they were making music. They couldn't rely on instrumental proficiency, so they had to rely on ideas. One of the things they started to do was use echo. They got primitive echo devices and put both Barrett's guitar and Wright's keyboard through them, allowing them to create new sounds that hadn't been heard on stage before. But they were still mostly doing the same slim Harpo and Bow Diddley numbers everyone else was doing and weren't able to be particularly interesting while playing them.

But for a while, they carried on doing the normal gigs. like a birthday party they played in late 1965, where on the same bill was a young American folk singer named Paul Simon and Joker's Wild, the band Dave Gilmore was in, who backed Simon on a version of Johnny B. Good. A couple of weeks after that party, Jokers Wild went into the studio to record their only privately pressed five-song record, of them performing recent hits.

But the Pink Floyd sound weren't as musically tight as Jokers Wild, and they couldn't make a living as a cover band, even if they wanted to. They had to do something different. Inspiration then came from a very unexpected source. I mentioned earlier that one of the names the group had been performing under had been inspired by a manifesto for a spontaneous university by the writer Alexander Trocky. Trocky's ideas had actually been put into practice by an organisation calling itself

the London Free School, based in Notting Hill. The London Free School was an interesting mixture of people from what was then known as the new left, but who were already rapidly ageing, the people who had been the cornerstone of radical campaigning in the late 50s and early 60s, who had run the Aldermaster Marches against nuclear weapons and so on, and a new breed of countercultural people who, in a year or two, would be defined as hippies, but at the time were not so easy to pigeonhole. These were mostly politically radical but very privileged people,

One of the founder members of the London Free School was Peter Jenner, who was the son of a vicar and the grandson of a Labour MP, and they were trying to put them radical ideas into practice. The London Free School was meant to be a collective of people who would help each other and themselves, and who would educate each other. You'd go to the collective wanting to learn how to do something, whether that's how to improve the housing in your area, or navigate some particularly difficult piece of bureaucracy, or how to play a musical instrument, and someone who had that same thing. skill would teach you how to do it, while you hopefully taught them something else of value. The London Free School, like all such utopian schemes, ended up falling apart, but it had a wider cultural impact than most such schemes. Britain's first underground newspaper, the International Times, was put together by people involved in the Free School, and the annual Notting Hill

Carnival, which is now one of the biggest outdoor events in Britain every year, with a million attendees came from the merger of outdoor events organised by the Free School with older community event. A group of musicians called AMM was associated with many of the people involved in the free school. AMM performed totally improvised music with no structure and no normal sense of melody and harmony. Keith Rowe, the guitarist in AMM, wanted to find his own technique, on influence by American jazz guitarists, and thought of that in terms that appealed very strongly to the painter Lee Barrett, saying, for the Americans to develop an American school of painting, they somehow had to ditch or lose European easel painting techniques. They had to make a break

with the past. What did that possibly mean if you were a jazz guitar player? For me, symbolically, it was Pollock laying the canvas on the floor, which immediately abandons European easel technique. I could see that by laying the canvas down, it became inappropriate to apply easel techniques. I thought, if I did that with a guitar, I would just lose all those techniques, because they would be physically impossible to do. Rose, Technique-free technique, inspired Barrett to make similar noises with his guitar, and to think less in terms of melody and harmony than pure sound. AMM's first record came out in 1966. Four of the free school people decided to put together their own record label, DNA, and they got an agreement with Elektra records to distribute its first

release. Joe Boyd, the head of Elektra in the UK, was another London Free School member, and someone who had plenty of experience with disruptive art already, having been on the sound engineering team at the Newport Folk Festival when Dylan went electric. AMM went into the studio and recorded AMM music. After that came out though, Peter Jenner, one of the people who'd started the label, came to a realisation. He said later, we'd made this one record with AMM, great record, very seminal, seriously avant-garde, but I'd started adding up,

and I'd worked out that the deal we had, we got 2% of retail, out of which we, the label, had to pay for recording costs and pay ourselves. I came to the conclusion that we were going to have to sell a hell of a lot of records just to pay the recording costs, let alone pay ourselves any money

and build a label, so I realised we had to have a pop band because pop band sold a lot of records. It was as simple as that, and I was as naive as that. Jenna abandoned DNA records for the moment, and he and his friend Andrew King decided they were going to become pop managers, and they found the Pink Floyd sound playing at an event at the Marquis, one of a series of events that were variously known as spontaneous underground and The Trip. Other participants in those events include soft machine, Moes Allison, Donovan, performing improvised songs backed by Sitar players, Graham Bond, a performer who played bark pieces while backed by African drummers,

and The Poison Bellows, a poetry duo consisting of Spike Hawkins and Johnny Byrne, who may, of all these performers, be the one who, other than Pink Floyd themselves, has had the most cultural impact in the UK. After writing the exploitation novel Groupie, and co-writing a film adaptation of Spike Milligan's war memoirs, Berne became a, a TV screenwriter, writing many episodes of Space 1999 and Doctor Who, before creating the long-running TV series Heartbeat. Jenna and King decided they wanted to sign the Pink Floyd Sound and make records with them, and the group agreed, but only after their summer holidays.

They were all still students, and so they dispersed during the summer. Waters and Wright went on holiday to Greece, where they tried acid for the first of only a small number of occasions and were unimpressed, while Mason went on a trip round America by Greyhound Bus. Barrett, meanwhile, stayed behind and started writing more songs, encouraged by Jenna, who insisted that the band needed to stop relying on blues covers and come up with their own material, and who saw Barrett as the focus of the group. General later described them as four not terribly competent musicians, who managed between them to create something that was extraordinary. Sid was the main creative drive behind the band. He was the singer and the guitar,

Roger couldn't tune his bass because he was tone deaf. It had to be tuned by Rick. Rick could write a bit of a tune, and Roger could knock out a couple of words if necessary. Set the controls for the Heart of the Sun was the first song Roger ever wrote, and he only did it because Sid encouraged everyone to write. Sid was very hesitant about his writing, but when he produced these great songs, everyone else thought, well it must be easy. Of course, we know this isn't quite true. Waters had written, Walk With Me, Sidney. But it is definitely the case that everyone involved thought of Barrett as the main creative force in the group, and that he was the one that Jenna was encouraging to write new material. After the summer holidays,

the group reconvened, and one of their first actions was to play a benefit for the London Free School. Jenna said later, Andrew King and myself were both Vickers' sons, and we knew that when you want to raise money for the parish, you have to have a social, so in a very old-fashioned way we said, let's put on a social, like in the Just William books like a Whist drive. We've done. We thought, you can't have a whisk drive, that's not cool, let's have a band, that would be cool. And the only band we knew was the band I was starting to get involved with. After a couple of these events went well, Joe Boyd suggested that they make those events a regular club night, and the UFO club was born. Jenna and King started working on the light shows for the group,

and then bringing in other people, and the light show became an integral part of the group's mystique, rather than standing in a spotlight as other groups would. They worked in shadows, with distorted kaleidoscopic lights playing on them, distancing themselves from the audience. The highlight of their sets was a long piece called Interstellar Overdrive, and this became one of the group's first professional recordings, when they went into the studio with Joe Boyd to record it for the soundtrack of her film titled Tonight Let's All Make Love in London. There are conflicting stories about the inspiration for the main riff of Interstellar overdrive. One apparent source is the riff from Love's version of the Baccaracan David's song, My Little Red Book.

Depending on who you ask, either Barrett was obsessed with Love's first album and copied the riff, or Peter Jenner tried to hum him the riff, and Barrett copied what Jenna was humming. More prosaically, Roger Waters has always claimed that the main inspiration was from Old Ned, Ron Greiner's theme tune for the sitcom Steptoe and Son, which for American listeners was remade over there as Sanford and Son. Of course, it's entirely possible and even likely, that Barrett was inspired by both, and if so, that would neatly sum up the whole range of Pink Floyd's influences at this point.

My Little Red Book was a cover by an American garage psych folk rock band overhit by Manfred Mann, a group who were best known for pop singles, but were also serious blues and jazz musicians, while Steptoe and Sun was a whimsical but dark and very English sitcom about a way of life that was slowly disappearing. And you can definitely hear both influencers in the main riff of the track they recorded with Boyd.

Interstellar Overdrive was one of two types of song that the Pink Floyd were performing at this time, a long-extended instrumental psychedelic excuse for freaky sounds, inspired by things like the second disc of Freak. freak out by the mothers of invention. When they went into the studio again with Boyd, later in January 1967, to record what they hoped would be their first single, they recorded two of the other kind of songs, whimsical story songs inspired equally by the incidents of everyday life and by children's literature. What became the B-side, candy in a current bun, was based

around the riff from Smokestack Lightning by Howling Wolf. That song had become a favourite on the British blues scene, and was thus the inspiration for many songs of the type that get called quintessentially English. Ray Davis, who was in many ways the major songwriter at this time, who was closest to Barrett stylistically, would a year later use the riff for the kink's song Last of the Steam Powered Trains. But in this case, Barrett had originally written a song titled Let's Roll Another One, About Sexual Lunging and Cannabis. The lyrics were hastily rewritten in the studio to remove the controversial drug references, and supposedly this caused some conflict between Barrett and Waters, with Waters pushing for the change while Barrett argued against it, though, like many

of the stories from this period, this sounds like the kind of thing that gets said by people wanting to push particular images of both men. Either way, the lyric was changed to be about sweet treats rather than drugs, though the lascivious elements remained in, and some people even argue that there was another lyric change, where Barrett sings, walk with me, there's a slight F sound in his vocal. As someone who does a lot of microphone work myself, it sounds to me like just one of those things that happens while recording, but a lot of people are very insistent that Barrett is deliberately singing

a different word altogether. The A-side, meanwhile, was inspired by real life. Both Barrett and Waters had mothers who used to take in female lodgers, and both had regularly had their lodgers underwear, stolen from washing lines. While they didn't know anything else about the thief, he became, in Barrett's imagination, a man who liked to dress up in the clothing after he stole it.

After recording the two tracks with Joe Boyd, the natural assumption was that the record would be put out on Elektra, the label which Boyd worked for in the UK. But Jack Holtzman, the head of Elektra Records, wasn't interested, and so a bidding war began for the single, as by this point the group were the hottest thing in London. London. For a while it looked like they were going to sign to track records, the label owned by the Who's management, but in the end, EMI won out. Right as they signed, the news of the

world was doing a whole series of articles about pop stars and their drug use, and the last of the articles talked about the Pink Floyd, and their association with LSD, even though they hadn't released a record yet. EMI had to put out a press release saying that the group were not psychedelic, insisting the Pink Floyd are not trying to create hallucinatory effects in their audience. It was only after getting signed that the group became full-time professionals.

Waters had by this point graduated from university and was working as a trainee architect and quit his job to become a pop star. Wright dropped out of university, but Mason and Barrett took sabbaticals. Barrett in particular seems to have seen this very much as a temporary thing. talking about Harry was making so much money,

it would be foolish not to take the opportunity while it lasted, but Harry was going to resume his studies in a year. Arnold Lane made the top 20, and it would have gone higher at the pirate radio station Radio London. At the time, the single most popular radio station when it came to pop music, not banned the track because of its sexual content.

However, it would be the only single Joe Boyd would work on with the group. EMI insisted on only using in-house producers, And so while Joe Boyd would go on to a great career as a producer, and we'll see him again, he was replaced with Norman Smith. Smith had been the chief engineer on the Beatles records up to Rubber Soul, after which he'd been promoted to being a producer in his own right, and Jeff Emerick had taken over. He also had aspirations to pop stardom himself,

and a few years later would have a transatlantic hit with, Oh, babe, what would you say, under the name Hurricane Smith. Smith's production of the group would prove controversial among some of the group's longtime fans who thought that he did too much to curtail their more experimental side as he would try to get the group to record songs that were more structured and more commercial and would cut down their improvisations into a more manageable form.

Others, notably Peter Jenner, thought that Smith was the perfect producer for the group. They started work on their first album, which was mostly recorded in Studio 3 of Abbey Road, while the Beatles were just finishing off work on Sergeant Pepper in Studio 2. The album was titled The Piper at the Gates of Dawn, after the chapter from the Wind in the Willows, and other than a few extended instrumental showcases,

most of the album was made up of short, whimsical songs by Barrett that were strongly infused with imagery from late Victorian and Edwardian children's books. This is one of the big differences between the British and American psychedelic scenes. both the British and American undergrounds were made up of the same type of people, a mixture of older radical activists, often communists, who had come up in Britain in the ban the bomb campaigns and in America in the civil rights movement, and younger people, usually middle-class students with radical politics

from a privileged background, who were into experimenting with drugs and alternative lifestyles. But the social situations were different. In America, the younger members of the underground were different. were angry and scared as their principal interest was in stopping the war in Vietnam in which so many of them were being killed. And the music of the older generation of the underground, the civil rights activists, was shot through with influence from the blues, gospel and American folk music, with a strong black influence. So that's what the American psychedelic groups played

for the most part. Very bluesy, very angry music. By contrast, the British younger generation of hippies were not being drafted to go to war, and mostly had little to complain about other than a feeling of being stifled by their parents' generation's expectations. And while most of them were influenced by the blues, that wasn't the music that had been popular among the older underground people,

who had either been listening to experimental European art music or had been influenced by Ewan McCollin's associate into listening instead to traditional old English ballads, things like the story of Tam Lynn or Thomas the Rimer, where someone is spirited away to the last. and of the fairies. musicians, when exposed to the culture of the underground over here, created music that looked back to an idealised childhood of their grandparents' generation, songs that were nostalgic for a past just before the one they could remember, as opposed to their own childhoods, which had taken place in war or the immediate aftermath of it, dominated by poverty, rationing, and bomb sites, though of course Barrett's childhood in Cambridge had been far closer to this mythic idyll than those of his contemporaries from Liverpool, Birmingham, Newcastle. or London. So almost every British musician who was making music that might be called

psychedelic was writing songs that were influenced both by experimental art music and by pre-war popular song, and which conjured up images from older children's books. Most notably, of course, at this point, the Beatles were recording songs like Strawberry Fields Forever and Penny Lane, about places from their childhood, and taking lyrical inspiration from Victorian circus post and the works of Lewis Carroll. But Barrett was similarly inspired. One of the books he loved most as a child was The Little Grey Men by BB, a pen name for Dennis Watkins Pitchford.

The book told the story of three gnomes, Bald Money, Sneezewart, and Dodder, and their adventures on a boat when the fourth member of their little group, Cloudbury, who's a bit of a rebellious loner and more adventurous than the other three, goes exploring on his own, and they have to go off and find him. him. Barrett's song The Gnomes doesn't use any precise details from the book, but its combination

of whimsy about a gnome named Grimble-grumble and a reverence for nature is very much in the mould of Beebe's work. Another huge influence on Barrett was Hiller Belloc. Belloc is someone who has not read much anymore, as sadly he is mostly known for the intense anti-Semitism in some of his writing, which stains it just as so much of early 20th century literature is stained, but he was one of the most influential writers of the early part of the 20th century. Like his friend G.K. Chesterton, he was simultaneously an author of Catholic Apologia,

and a political campaigner. He was a liberal MP for a few years, and a strong advocate of an economic system known as distributism, and had a peculiar mixture of very progressive and extremely reactionary ideas, which resonated with a lot of the atmosphere in the British underground of the time, even though he would likely have profoundly disapproved of them. But Belloc wrote in a variety of styles, including poems for children, which are the works of his that have aged the best,

and were a huge influence on later children's writers like Roald Dahl with their gleeful comic cruelty. Barrett's Matilda Mother had lyrics that were, other than the chorus where Barrett begs his mother to read him more of the story, taken verbatim from three poems from Belloc's cautionary tales for children. Jim, who ran away from his nurse and was eaten by a lion, Henry King, who chewed bits of string and was cut off in dreadful agonies, and Matilda, who told lies and was burned to death.

The titles of those give some idea of the kind of thing Belloc would write. Sadly for Barrett, Belloc's estate refused to allow permission for his poems to be used, and so he had to rework the lyrics, writing new fairy tale lyrics for the finished version. Other sources of inspiration for lyrics came from books like the E. Ching, which Barrett used for Chapter 24, having bought a copy from the Indica Bookshop, the same place that John Lennon had bought the Psychedelic Experience. and there's been some suggestion that he was deliberately trying to copy Lennon in taking lyrical ideas from a book of ancient mystic wisdom.

During the recording of Piper at the Gates of Dawn, the group continued playing live. As they'd now had a hit single, most of their performances were at top-rank ballrooms and other such venues around the country, on bills with other top-chart groups, playing to audiences who seemed unimpressed or actively hostile. They also, though, made two important appearances.

The more well-known of these was at the 14-hour Technical Adream, a benefit for International Times Magazine, with people including Yoko Ono, their future collaborator Ron Giesin, John's Children, Soft Machine, and the Move also performing. The 14-hour technical adream is now largely regarded as the pivotal moment in the development of the UK counterculture, though even at the time some participants noted that there seemed to be a rift developing between the performers, who were often fairly straightforward beer-drinking ambitious young men,

who had latched onto kaffedans and talk about enlightenment as the latest gimmick they could use to get ahead in the industry, and the audience, who seemed to be true believers. The other major performance was at an event called Games for May, Space Age relaxation for the climax of Spring, where they were able to do a full long set in a concert space with a quadraphonic sound system, rather than performing in the utterly subpar environments most pop bands had to at this point. They came up with a new song written for the event, which became their second single,

See Emily Play. Emily was apparently always a favourite name of Barrett, and he even talked with one girlfriend about the possibility of naming their first child, Emily. But the Emily of the song seems to have had a specific inspiration. One of the youngest attendees at the London Free School was an actual school girl, Emily Young, who would go along to their events with her school friend Angelica Houston, who later became a well-known film star. Young is now a world-renowned artist,

regarded as arguably Britain's greatest living stone sculptor, but at the time she was very like the other people at the London Free School. She was from a very privileged background. her father was Whalen Young, second Baron Kennett, a Labour peer and minister who later joined the SDP. But being younger than the rest of the attendees, and still a little naive, she was still trying to find her own personality, and would take on attributes and attitudes of other people without fully understanding them. Hence the song's opening lines, Emily tries but misunderstands,

she's often inclined to borrow somebody's dream till tomorrow. The song gets a little darker towards the end, though, and the image in the last verse where she puts on a gown and floats down a river forever could be a gentle pastoral image of someone going on a boat ride but it also could be a reference to two rather darker sources Barrett was known to pick up imagery both from classic literature and from Arthurian legend

and so the lines inevitably conjure up both the idea of Afelia drowning herself and of the Lady of Charlotte in Tennyson's Arthurian poem who is trapped in a tower but finds a boat and floats down the river to Camelot but dies before the boat reaches the castle. The song also evokes very specific memories of Barrett's childhood. According to Roger Waters,

the woods mentioned in the lyrics are meant to be woods in which they had played as children on the road out of Cambridge towards the Gog and Magog Hills. The song was apparently seven minutes long in its earliest versions and required a great deal of editing to get down to single length. But it was worth it, as the track made. the top ten. And that was where the problems started. There are two different stories told about what happened to Roger Barrett over the next 40 years, and both stories are told by people with particular agendas who want particular versions of him to become the accepted truth. Both stories are,

in the extreme versions that have been popularised, utterly incompatible with each other, but both are fairly compatible with the scanty evidence we have, possibly the truth lies somewhere between them. In one version of the story, around this time Barrett had a total mental breakdown, brought on or exacerbated by his overuse of LSD and mandrakes, a prescription drug consisting of a mixture of the antihistamine diphenhydramine and the sedative metacualone, which was marketed in the US under the brand name Quaylude, and that from late 1967 on, he was unable to lead a normal life and spent the rest of his life as a burned out shell. The other version of the story is that Barrett was a little fragile and did have periods of mental illness, but for the most part was able to

function fairly well. In this version of the story, he was neurodivergent and found celebrity distressing, but more than that he found a whole process of working within commercial restrictions upsetting. Having to appear on TV, pop shows and go on package tours was just not something he found himself able to do, but he was responsible for a whole apparatus of people who relied on him and his group for their living. In this telling, he was surrounded by parasites who looked on him as their combination meal ticket cum guru and were simply not suited for the role, and wanted to sabotage it so he could have a private life instead. Either way, something seems to have changed in Barrett in a profound way in the early summer of 1967. Joe Boyd talks about meeting him after not having seen

him for a few weeks, and all the light being gone from his eyes. The group appeared on top of the Pops, Britain's top pop TV show, three times to promote C. Emily play. But by the third time, Barrett didn't even pretend to mime along with the single. Towards the end of July, they were meant to record a session for the BBC's Saturday Club radio show, but Barrett walked out of the studio before completing the first song. It's notable that Barrett's non-cooperation or inability to function was very much dependent on circumstance. He was not able to perform for Saturday Club, a mainstream pop show aimed at a mass audience, but gave perfectly good performances on several sessions for John Peel's radio show The Perfumed Garden, a show firmly aimed at Pink Floyd's own underground niche.

On the 31st of July, three days after the Saturday club walkout, all the group's performances for the next month were cancelled due to nervous exhaustion. But on the 8th of August, they went back into the studio to record Scream Thy Last Scream, a song Barrett wrote, and which Nick Mason and sang. That was scheduled as the group's next single, but the record company vetoed it, and it wouldn't see an official release for 49 years. Instead, they recorded another single, Apples and Oranges. That was the last thing the group released while Barrett was a member. In November 1967, they went on a tour of the US, making appearances on American bandstand and the Pat Boone Show, as well as playing several gigs. According to legend, Barrett was almost

catatonic on the Pat Boone show, though no footage of that appears to be available anywhere. And the same things worse said about their performance on bandstand. And when that turned up, it turned out Barrett seemed no more uncomfortable miming to their new single than any of the rest of the band, and was no less polite when Dick Clark asked them questions about hamburgers. But on shows on the US tour, Barrett would do things like detune his guitar so it just made clanging sounds, or just play a single note throughout the show. These are, again, things that could be taken in two different ways, and I have no way to judge which is the more correct.

On one level, they could be a sign of a chaotic, disordered mind, someone dealing with severe mental health difficulties. On the other, they're the kind of thing that Barrett was applauded and praised for in the confines of the kind of avant-garde underground audience that would pay to hear AMM or Yoko Ono, the kind of people they'd been performing for less than a year earlier. but which were absolutely not appropriate for a pop group trying to promote their latest hit single. It could be that Barrett was severely unwell,

or it could just be that he wanted to be an experimental artist and his bandmates wanted to be pop stars. And one thing absolutely everyone agrees is that the rest of the group were more ambitious than Barrett was. Whichever was the case, though, something had to give. They cut the US tour short, but immediately started another British package tour, with the Jimmy Hendrix experience, The Move, Amen Corner and The Nice. After that tour they started work on their next album, A Sorcerful of Secrets.

Where Barrett was the lead singer and principal songwriter on Piper at the Gates of Dawn. He only sings and writes one song on A Sorcerful of Secrets, which is otherwise written by Waters and Right, and only appears at all on two more of the tracks. By the time it was released, he was out of the group. The last song he tried to get the group, group to record was called, Have you got it yet?

And it was only after spending some time rehearsing it that the rest of the band realized that the song was a practical joke on them. Every time they played it, he would change the song around so they would mess up, and pretend they just hadn't learned a song yet. They brought in Barrett's old friend Dave Gilmore, initially to be a fifth member on stage to give the band some stability in their performances. But after five shows with the five-man line up, they decided just not to bother picking Barrett up.

but didn't mention he was out of the group to avoid awkwardness. At the time, Barrett and Rick Wright were flatmates, and Wright would actually lie to Barrett and say he was just going out to buy a packet of cigarettes, and then go and play gigs without him. After a couple of months of this, it was officially announced that Barrett was leaving the group. Jenna and King went with him, convinced that he was the real talent in the group and would have a solo career, and the group carried on with new management. We'll be looking at them more in future episodes.

Barrett made a start at recording a solo album in mid-1968, but didn't get very far. Jenna produced those sessions and later said, It seemed a good idea to go into the studio because I knew he had the songs, and he would sometimes play bits and pieces and you would think, Oh, that's great. It was a... He's got a bit of a cold today and it might get better approach. It wasn't a cold.

And you knew it wasn't a cold. But I kept thinking if he did the right things, he'd come back to join us. he'd gone out and maybe he'd come back. That was always the analogy in my head. I wanted to make it feel friendly for him and that where we were was a comfortable place and that he could come back and find himself again. I obviously didn't succeed.

A handful of tracks from those sessions have since been released, including a version of Golden Hair, a setting by Barrett of a poem by James Joyce that he would later revisit. Eleven months later, he went back into the studio again. this time with producer Malcolm Jones to record an album that later became The Mad Cap Laughs his first solo album.

The recording process for the album has been the source of some controversy as initially Jones was producing the whole album and they were working in a way that Barrett never worked before. Where previously he had cut backing tracks first and only later overdubbed his vocals this time he started by recording acoustic guitar and vocals and then overdubbed on top of that.

But after several sessions, Jones was pulled off the album, and Gilmore and Waters were asked to produce the rest of the sessions. This may seem a bit of a callous decision, since Gilmore was the person who had replaced Barrett in his group. But apparently the two of them had remained friends, and indeed Gilmore thought that Barrett had only got better as a songwriter since leaving the band. Where Malcolm Jones had been trying, by his account,

to put out something that sounded like a serious professional record, Gilmore and Waters seemed to regard what they were doing more as producing a piece of audio verity documentary, including false starts and studio chatter. Jones believed that this put Barrett in a bad light, saying the outtakes, show Sid at best as out of tune, which he rarely was,

and at worst as out of control, which again he never was. Gilmore and Waters, on the other hand, thought that material was necessary to provide some context for why the album wasn't as sleep. and professional, as some might have hoped. The eventual record was a hodgepodge of different styles from different sessions, with bits from the Jenna sessions, the Jones sessions, and the Waters and Gilmore sessions all mixed together, with some tracks just Barrett badly double-tracking himself with an acoustic

guitar, while other tracks feature full backing by Soft Machine. However, despite Jones's accusations that the album was more or less sabotaged by Gilmore and Waters, the fact remains that the best tracks on the album are the ones Barrett's former bandmates produced. And there are some magnificent moments on there, but it's a disturbing album to listen to, in the same way other albums by people with clear talent but clear mental illness are, like Skip Spencer's or Rocky Erickson's later work, or The Beach Boys Love You. In each case, the pleasure one gets is a real pleasure from real aesthetic appreciation of the work, but entangled with an awareness that the work would not exist in that form were the creator not suffering. The pleasure doesn't come from the suffering. These are real

artists creating real art, not the kind of outsider art that is really just a modern-day freak show, but it's still inextricable from it. The Magcap laughs did well enough that Barrett got to record a follow-up, titled Simply Barrett. This one was recorded over a period. of only a handful of months, with Gilmore and Rick Wright producing, and a band consisting of Gilmore, Wright and drummer Jerry Shirley. The album is generally considered both more consistent and less interesting than the Madcap laughs, with less really interesting material, though there are some enjoyable moments on it. The little one said, oh my goodness, I'm a stared home

And every time I hear a growl, I know the tiger's on the prowl And I'll be really safe, you know, the elephant he told me so Everyone was nervy, oh yeah, and a message was spread To zebra mongoose and the dirty hippopotamus who wallered in the madden But the album is a little aimless And people who knew him at the time seem agreed that that was a reflection of his life He had nothing he needed to be doing, no tour dates, no deadlines, no pressure at all,

and he had a bit of money from record royalties, so he just did nothing at all. The one solo gig he ever played with the band who backed him on Barrett lasted four songs, and he walked off halfway through the fourth. He moved back to Cambridge for a while in the early 70s, and he tried putting together a new band with Twink,

the drummer of the Pink Fairies and Pretty Things, Fred Frith and Jack Monk, but Frith, left after one gig. The other three performed a handful of shows either as stars or as Barrett, Adler, and Monk, just in the Cambridge area, but soon Barrett got bored again. He moved back to London, and in 1974 he made one final attempt to make a record, going into the studio with Peter Jenner, where he recorded a handful of tracks that were never released. But given that the titles of those tracks were things like Boogie Number One, Boogie Number Two, Slow Booggy,

Fast Boogie, Chuka Chooka Chooka Chug and John Lee Hooker. I suspect we're not missing out on a lost masterpiece. Around this time there was a general resurgence and interest in Barrett, prompted by David Bowie having recorded a version of See Emily Play on his covers album, pin-ups, which came out in late 1973. At the same time, the journalist Nick Kent wrote a long profile of Barrett, the cracked ballad of Sid Barrett, which like Kent's piece on Brian Wilson, a year later, managed to be a remarkable piece of writing

with a sense of sympathy for its subject and understanding of his music, but also a less than accurate piece of journalism, which led to a lot of myths and disinformation being propagated. Barrett briefly visited his old bandmates in the studio in 1975, while they were recording the album Wish You Were Here. Some say even during the recording of the songs, Shine on You Crazy Diamond, which was written specifically about Barrett,

though Nick Mason claims otherwise. And they didn't recognise him at first, because by this point he had a shaved head and had put on a great deal of weight. He seemed rather sad, and that was the last time any of them saw him, apart from Roger Waters, who saw him in Harrods a few years later.

That time, as soon as Barrett recognised Waters, he dropped his bag and ran out of the shop. For the next 31 years, Barrett made no public appearances. The last time he ever voluntarily spoke to a journalist, other than telling them to go away, was in 1982, just after he'd moved back to Cambridge, when someone door stopped him and he answered a few questions and posed for a photo before saying, OK, that's enough, this is distressing for me, thank you.

He had the reputation for the rest of his life of being a shut-in, a recluse, an acid casualty. His family, on the other hand, have always claimed that while he was never particularly mentally or physically healthy. He wasn't a shut-in, and would go to the pub, meet up with his mother a couple of times a week to go shopping, and chat to the women behind the counter at Sainsbury's and at the pharmacy. He was also apparently very good with children who lived in the neighbourhood. Whatever the truth of his final decades, though, however mentally well or unwell he actually was, one thing is very clear, which is that he was an extremely private man who did not want attention, and who was greatly distressed by the constant stream of people

coming and looking through his letterbox, trying to take photos of him, trying to interview him and so on. Everyone on his street knew that when people came asking which was Sid Barrett's house, they were meant to say that no one of that name lived there, and they were telling the truth. By the time he moved back, he had stopped answering to Sid altogether, and according to his sister, he came to hate the name latterly and what it meant.

He did, in 2001, go around to his sister's house to watch a documentary about himself on the TV. He didn't own the TV himself, but he didn't enjoy it, and his only comment was that the music was too noisy. By this point he never listened to rock music, just to jazz and classical music, usually on the radio. He was financially secure. Dave Gilmore made sure that when compilations came out, they always included some music from Barrett's period in the group, so he would receive royalties. even though Gilmore had no contact with him after 1975, and he spent most of his time painting. He would take photos of the paintings when they were completed,

and then burn the originals. There are many stories about those last few decades, but given how much he valued his privacy, it wouldn't be right to share them. This is a history of rock music, and 1975 was the last time Roger Keith Barrett ever had anything to do with rock music voluntarily. He died of cancer in 2006, and at his funeral there was a reading from The Little Grey Men,

which was also quoted in the Order of Service. The wonder of the world, the beauty and the power, the shapes of things, their colours, lights and shades. These I saw, lucky also while life lasts. There was no rock music played at Barrett's funeral. Instead, there were a selection of pieces by Handel, Hayden and Bark, ending with bark's alamand from the partita number four in d major one of his favourite pieces as they stared blankly and dumb misery deepening as they slowly realised all they had seen and all they had lost a capricious little breeze dancing up from the surface of the water tossed the aspens shook the

dewy roses and blew lightly and caressingly in their faces and with its soft touch came instant oblivion, for this is the last best gift that the kindy demigod is careful to bestow on those to whom he has revealed himself in their helping, the gift of forgetfulness, lest the awful remembrance should remain and grow, and overshadow mirth and pleasure, and the great haunting memory should spoil all the afterlives of little animals helped out of difficulties, in order that they should be happy and light-hearted as before. Mould rubbed his eyes and stared at Rat, who was looking about him in a sort of way. I'd beg your pardon, what did you say, Rat, he asked. I think I was only remarking, said Rat slowly, that this was the right sort of place,

and that here, if anywhere, we should find him. And look, why there he is the little fellow, and with a cry of delight he ran towards the slumbering portly. But Mole stood still a moment's held in thought, as one wakened suddenly from a beautiful dream, who struggles to recall it, and can recapture nothing but a dim sense of the beauty of it, the beauty, till that too fades away in its turn, and the dreamer bitterly accepts the hard cold waking and all its penalties. So Mole, after struggling with his memory for a brief space, shook his head sadly, and followed the rat.

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